Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Walt, First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received any kind of help on the matter. Second , What have you against these two gentlemen. Hey, they tutored me over the phone for a year , and did'nt screw me out of a lot of hard earned money .They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. It means a flawless 1/8 diamond saw slice of Imilac, 50% olivine 50% Ni/Fe that you can see your reflection in like a perfect mirror. So, Walt, please tell me how I can access the ARCHIVES and tell me what I will find there?. What, some uninformed joker trashing Ron Farrell and the bravest meteorite hunter and dealer of quality meteorites in history, Bob Haag, a fair seller and donator of free specimens to scientific institutions. Robert haag alone has contributed more to the science we're all trying to learn more about together on this (IMCA) of ours. Is that why you started off your Reply that way- what's up with that?. I honestly don't get it . What did they ever do to you?. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything like that Walt, just really would like to know your reason for starting off your post that way. What part of my homework did'nt I do? Seriously, how do you access these frieken archives everybody refers to. Thanks for any info. and explanation. Roman N. (IMCA# 0583) From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:04:48 -0500 Roman- You wrote: ...and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and with established World Class Reputable Dealers and ...know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. and Do your homework... Roman, with all due respect, I think the time it took you to write this message would have been better spent doing homework of your own. The list archives would be a good place to start -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Anyone buying meteorites should do their homework before purchasing a meteorite as far as I'm concerned. I spent a whole year studying -up on meteorites. With Bob Haag's and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and the many phone call's that they graciously put up with , I bought the right pieces for the right prices- no hacksaw'ed pallasites with uneven cuts and lousy polishes and rust stained , no 95% fusion crust that's only 20%, no Canyon Diablo's that were some cheap-ass Chinese fall- you get the picture. If people want to deal with these Dealer Wannabes on E-bay who are less than reputable, and not with established World Class Reputable Dealers then it's on them.I personally buy from catalogs and know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. Stay away from E-bay (rhyme) Do your homework or possibly get Srewed and receive a (mica schist ) Allende with CAI'S and Wowy Gee Willickers, a one of a kind slag meteorite from an unknown mining civilization in our own Solar System, no less. There's really no excuse except laziness and the rush to recklessly buy these unclassified , unanalyzed, just totally unethical sellers of pseudo-meteorites and thousands of other items through Thievery web sites. I don't care if the Dealer Wannabe's think they're selling real meteorites, it's the persons job - the one buying the meteorite - to make sure one way or another that it is a meteorite- the real deal Have A Good Night. ( I M C A # 0583) Roman N. -Informed Collector From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:28 + Finally, the IMCA, if going that route, can play the same game as ebay: While all of our members are in good standing, the organization is not responsible for the comments of the anti fraud squad section of the website, and provides it only as a convenient free service to interchange feedback of potential interest to buyers concerned with authenticity of their purchases. Comments reflect the opinions of the posters, and IMCA does not permit members in good standing to post knowingly false or misleading feedback. Any member doing so will be expelled and such expulsion documented on this site in Former Members. as someone has already pointed out, such an arraingment would open one's self up to liable, as a specific person is making the statement, as opposed to the imca if it were ever incorporated. if the imca is going to allow / force
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now (list archive)
At 03.27 28/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received Here is the link to the meteorite list archives: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ They are very useful. bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Second , What have you against these two gentlemen. *snip* What, some uninformed joker trashing Ron Farrell and the bravest meteorite hunter and dealer of quality meteorites in history, Bob Haag not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I bet ya a nickle that ron farrell was the sole intended target of the previously mentioned 'trashing' _ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Thanks Kelly From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:44:52 -0600 The URL of the Archives is: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/archives.shtml Sterling K. Webb - Roman Nakonechny wrote: Walt, First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received any kind of help on the matter. Second , What have you against these two gentlemen. Hey, they tutored me over the phone for a year , and did'nt screw me out of a lot of hard earned money .They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. It means a flawless 1/8 diamond saw slice of Imilac, 50% olivine 50% Ni/Fe that you can see your reflection in like a perfect mirror. So, Walt, please tell me how I can access the ARCHIVES and tell me what I will find there?. What, some uninformed joker trashing Ron Farrell and the bravest meteorite hunter and dealer of quality meteorites in history, Bob Haag, a fair seller and donator of free specimens to scientific institutions. Robert haag alone has contributed more to the science we're all trying to learn more about together on this (IMCA) of ours. Is that why you started off your Reply that way- what's up with that?. I honestly don't get it . What did they ever do to you?. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything like that Walt, just really would like to know your reason for starting off your post that way. What part of my homework did'nt I do? Seriously, how do you access these frieken archives everybody refers to. Thanks for any info. and explanation. Roman N. (IMCA# 0583) From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:04:48 -0500 Roman- You wrote: ...and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and with established World Class Reputable Dealers and ...know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. and Do your homework... Roman, with all due respect, I think the time it took you to write this message would have been better spent doing homework of your own. The list archives would be a good place to start -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Anyone buying meteorites should do their homework before purchasing a meteorite as far as I'm concerned. I spent a whole year studying -up on meteorites. With Bob Haag's and Ron Farrell's advice and great knowledge and the many phone call's that they graciously put up with , I bought the right pieces for the right prices- no hacksaw'ed pallasites with uneven cuts and lousy polishes and rust stained , no 95% fusion crust that's only 20%, no Canyon Diablo's that were some cheap-ass Chinese fall- you get the picture. If people want to deal with these Dealer Wannabes on E-bay who are less than reputable, and not with established World Class Reputable Dealers then it's on them.I personally buy from catalogs and know who I'm talking to and it's the same two mentioned above. Stay away from E-bay (rhyme) Do your homework or possibly get Srewed and receive a (mica schist ) Allende with CAI'S and Wowy Gee Willickers, a one of a kind slag meteorite from an unknown mining civilization in our own Solar System, no less. There's really no excuse except laziness and the rush to recklessly buy these unclassified , unanalyzed, just totally unethical sellers of pseudo-meteorites and thousands of other items through Thievery web sites. I don't care if the Dealer Wannabe's think they're selling real meteorites, it's the persons job - the one buying the meteorite - to make sure one way or another that it is a meteorite- the real deal Have A Good Night. ( I M C A # 0583) Roman N. -Informed Collector From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:12:28 + Finally, the IMCA, if going that route, can play the same game as ebay: While all of our members are in good standing, the organization is not responsible for the comments of the anti fraud squad section of the website, and provides it only as a convenient free service to interchange feedback of potential interest to buyers concerned with
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now (list archive)
Thank You for the link , Dave. I had to get it from Italy and I'm in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. . Aint that a Cadella. Good Morning Over the Great Blue Atlantic From: Basilicofresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now (list archive) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:07:01 +0100 At 03.27 28/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: First of all , I've asked the list HOW do you access the archives, and to date i still don't know how the hell to do it nor have I received Here is the link to the meteorite list archives: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ They are very useful. bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroid warning, future impact, and panic
Hi, What you've got to remember is that even the most sophisticated computer modeling is, at heart, just highly refined guesswork! Not only do we not have actual experience with impacts, if one actually happened tomorrow, there would be nobody on hand to observe it scientifically, take measurements of pressure waves, etc. We guess by scaling up from observed nuclear events and scaling down from inferences drawn from the remains of great impacts of the past. Another data deficiency is a fortunate one: our atmosphere screens us from the smaller objects. By smaller, I mean up to big H-bomb size. The Defense Department detects a number of Hiroshima-sized events in the atmosphere and every few years an H-bomb-sized event, all of which our atmosphere prevents us from observing more closely! Volcanoes like Krakatoa and Tamboru provide models for the effect of dust in the atmosphere, but they are not a perfect match for impact debris, which is finer grained and boosted into the atmosphere more energetically than volcanic ash and dust. So it's all ballparking, matching the scales of various effects. If you're going to be practical about the danger of impacts, you have to acknowledge that smallish and medium impacts are statistically much more likely to happen than large and very large ones. Moreover, there's lots we can do to deal with medium ones and very little we can do about large ones. True, the big ones make better movies (sometimes) and more entertaining novels, but the 100 megaton event is ten times more likely than the 1000 megaton event, and the 1000 megaton event is ten times more likely than the 10,000 megaton event. As for warning us ordinary folk about potential impacts, a friend of mine to whom I told the story of the warning dilemma that has been discussed here on the List, replied, Sure glad we slept thru armageddon again. Nothing would annoy me more than to have my last nite's sleep on earth disturbed by a bunch of sirens and [censored]heads running around! I regard the panic rationale that has become a cliché since the invention of nuclear weapons and the start of the Cold War as a totally unsubstantiated assumption, prized by the U. S. government and widely promoted by media. I think it's ridiculous that the government believes in the notion that when the populace is confronted by a serious event, they respond by squawking like chickens and throwing themselves off tall buildings. It was the belief in panic in the population that led the U. S. government to bury a small-city-sized bomb shelter in the Virginia hills so that bureaucrats from the IRS, the post office, and other government departments could survive total nuclear war and then return to the surface of the Earth in their grey suits to collect taxes from, and deliver mail to, the scarred, starving, and mutated survivors. The notion of panic as the most likely public response to trouble can be traced to the 1938 War Of The Worlds broadcast, of course, and the notion has been popular with U. S. authorities ever since, as always desirous of protecting us from ourselves. Strange, then, that the U. S. populace has managed to deal with everything from World War II to 9-11 without a lot of panic. In all probability, it is the government's fear of causing panic that forces the Office of Homeland Security to present itself to the public in a manner that has most people regarding it more as a Clown Bureau than anything to be taken seriously (unless, of course, they really are just clowns). So, until the Martians land in New Jersey with their Heat Rays, let's not worry first about panic amongst the populace. Sterling K. Webb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arbitrarily, obvious math, estimated, little difference, safe to assume, I suspect, I think, etc. Thats enough please. Bill Kieskowski While I agree that my number of '1000 years' was picked arbitrarily, to be realistic, if we can not prepair hardened food production facilities within the warning time avalible, it would matter little if the 'nuclear winter' lasted for 1000 years or only a few years, as both numbers are well over the elngth of time a human can go without food, even your average overweight american! :) Also, with regards to an impact that would cause long term effects in comparison to prompt killoffs, keep in mind that the blast radius of an explosion scales at the cube of the energy released, whereas the amount of dust that gets kicked up into the air scales pretty linearly. So to point out the obvious math, when you compare 2 impacts, one that causes a prompt damage of radius 'x' to one that causes prompt damage of radius 2x, the latter will eject 8 times as much material into the air. 3x you are at 27 times as much material, and so on. (this rule of thumb applies to nuclear weapons and
[meteorite-list] Stolen Meteorites
Hello Everyone, I don't recall seeing this on the list 5 years ago. Did I miss it? Third item down (look at where the museum is located) http://www.museum-security.org/reports/003599.html -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Page Translation Help
Hello Everyone, Does anyone know of a means to translate this page: http://stoplusjedna.newtonit.cz/stare/199919/so19a01b.asp -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] List Archives - another one
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[meteorite-list] Page Translated
Hello Everyone, Many thanks to Sergey Vasiliev, who translated the page for me and has given me permission to post his translation to the list. ... In 1991 in Australia was found 350 grams ureilite Nullarbor 010. 1 gram of it was sent to Max Plank Institute for analysis. The rest was lost. Two years later "well known cheater" Ron Farrell said the new meteorite was found. That was also ureilite with the only weight of 349 grams. Farrell said that it was found in Mexico. Meteorite got the name Nuevo Mercurio (b). Two stones (1g from australia and another from Mexico) had suspected the same structure, texture and composition. Most of scientiststhought that there are two pieces of the same stone. That story is not the best of Farrell's stories. In 1995 that man showed up in Egypt museum. He said that he is from Yale University and he would like to get two museum specimens (both from Mars)for detail study - the price for both is more than two million dollars. He had luck to get those stones. Finally the Egyptian authorities found out that theman with name Farrell is not working in Yale and never did. Something like: Meteorite business is so profitable that those kind of fraudshad been done[sorry butmy Czech is not perfect also ;-)]Only for the last three years there were six "martian" meteorites (all from privat collections) recognized as Eath basalts. Something like: The thiefs doesn't care about it. [I have no idea why this sentense is here but it is also translation from another sourse - one of those: CA M`INTÉRESSE Paris; FOCUS, London]. For the same period of time that was reported 128 stolen meteorites. On the Paris meteorite exhibition in 1996 two meteorites were stolen: one from Mars and one from Moon. The one from the moon belongs to National Institute of Polar Research (Tokyo). Something like: Farrell also tryed to get a piece like that. In 1997 he went to Rio de Janeiro National Museum where he tryed to exchange small meteorite (priced at $29,000) for the Eath rock. He was catched at the airport. Stolen meteorite was in his boot. That isa funny one: And even he was judged for two years in jail, he got a chance to escape and now he is hiding somewhere. That's it. Sergey --www.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Hi Roman and all, Roman Nakonechny wrote: They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. This might be more true than you realize. Contact me off list and I will offer you other sources to get your information from. Also check out in the British Catalog of Meteorites (newest, Monica Grady) Nova 1, Nova 2 and Nova 3 for some interesting reading. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites (who only sells museum like quality meteorites :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] List Archives - another one
Thank you! This should save my email account from being loaded up with lots of not so important stuff! :-) Happy hunting, Moni From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] List Archives - another one Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:28:36 -0800 (PST) And here is one with a search engine: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html __ _ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Hi Al and List, Ahhh yes. I had forgotten about the Nova meteorites. Also, there was that business of selling unauthorized copies of Fred's Ensisheim print. And wasn't it last year when some Canyon Diablo appeared on ebay for what, about $5.00/gram? -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now. Hi Roman and all, Roman Nakonechny wrote: They sold me museum quality specimens because I did my homework and knew what a museum quality specimen should look like. This might be more true than you realize. Contact me off list and I will offer you other sources to get your information from. Also check out in the British Catalog of Meteorites (newest, Monica Grady) Nova 1, Nova 2 and Nova 3 for some interesting reading. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites (who only sells museum like quality meteorites :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Page Translated
Hi Walter and List Maybe this is something the IMCA can help with along with the meteoritical society, we could supply the institues around the world with the names and contacts of those poeple willing to be known by such places. Even photographs. In this way the institues would have a record of known researchers, dealers and collectors in an electronic format thats easy to access. This would hamper some of these thefts, surely wouldn't stop them, but at least it would give the institues something to work from and maybe make easier these trades for research. Although I doubt I will ever get to most of these places, it would be nice to know that the curators would be able to tell who I was from someone else posing as me. And, this would be an easy enough project, much easier than trying to track down and bring to justice the black marketeers. Mark - Original Message - From: Walter Branch To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Page Translated Hello Everyone, Many thanks to Sergey Vasiliev, who translated the page for me and has given me permission to post his translation to the list. ... In 1991 in Australia was found 350 grams ureilite Nullarbor 010. 1 gram of it was sent to Max Plank Institute for analysis. The rest was lost. Two years later "well known cheater" Ron Farrell said the new meteorite was found. That was also ureilite with the only weight of 349 grams. Farrell said that it was found in Mexico. Meteorite got the name Nuevo Mercurio (b). Two stones (1g from australia and another from Mexico) had suspected the same structure, texture and composition. Most of scientiststhought that there are two pieces of the same stone. That story is not the best of Farrell's stories. In 1995 that man showed up in Egypt museum. He said that he is from Yale University and he would like to get two museum specimens (both from Mars)for detail study - the price for both is more than two million dollars. He had luck to get those stones. Finally the Egyptian authorities found out that theman with name Farrell is not working in Yale and never did. Something like: Meteorite business is so profitable that those kind of fraudshad been done[sorry butmy Czech is not perfect also ;-)]Only for the last three years there were six "martian" meteorites (all from privat collections) recognized as Eath basalts. Something like: The thiefs doesn't care about it. [I have no idea why this sentense is here but it is also translation from another sourse - one of those: CA M`INTÉRESSE Paris; FOCUS, London]. For the same period of time that was reported 128 stolen meteorites. On the Paris meteorite exhibition in 1996 two meteorites were stolen: one from Mars and one from Moon. The one from the moon belongs to National Institute of Polar Research (Tokyo). Something like: Farrell also tryed to get a piece like that. In 1997 he went to Rio de Janeiro National Museum where he tryed to exchange small meteorite (priced at $29,000) for the Eath rock. He was catched at the airport. Stolen meteorite was in his boot. That isa funny one: And even he was judged for two years in jail, he got a chance to escape and now he is hiding somewhere. That's it. Sergey --www.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Page Translated
Hi Mark and List, Mark, please note that this article was from mass-media (Am I right in spelling?). If you want I can translate the article about myselffrom Ukrainian newspaper. I'm a bad guy too ;-) I hope you understand what I mean. Sergey -Sergey VasilievU Dalnice 839Prague 5, 15500Czech Republicwww.sv-meteorites.com Hi Walter and List Maybe this is something the IMCA can help with along with the meteoritical society, we could supply the institues around the world with the names and contacts of those poeple willing to be known by such places. Even photographs. In this way the institues would have a record of known researchers, dealers and collectors in an electronic format thats easy to access. This would hamper some of these thefts, surely wouldn't stop them, but at least it would give the institues something to work from and maybe make easier these trades for research. Although I doubt I will ever get to most of these places, it would be nice to know that the curators would be able to tell who I was from someone else posing as me. And, this would be an easy enough project, much easier than trying to track down and bring to justice the black marketeers. Mark - Original Message - From: Walter Branch To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Page Translated Hello Everyone, Many thanks to Sergey Vasiliev, who translated the page for me and has given me permission to post his translation to the list. ... In 1991 in Australia was found 350 grams ureilite Nullarbor 010. 1 gram of it was sent to Max Plank Institute for analysis. The rest was lost. Two years later "well known cheater" Ron Farrell said the new meteorite was found. That was also ureilite with the only weight of 349 grams. Farrell said that it was found in Mexico. Meteorite got the name Nuevo Mercurio (b). Two stones (1g from australia and another from Mexico) had suspected the same structure, texture and composition. Most of scientiststhought that there are two pieces of the same stone. That story is not the best of Farrell's stories. In 1995 that man showed up in Egypt museum. He said that he is from Yale University and he would like to get two museum specimens (both from Mars)for detail study - the price for both is more than two million dollars. He had luck to get those stones. Finally the Egyptian authorities found out that theman with name Farrell is not working in Yale and never did. Something like: Meteorite business is so profitable that those kind of fraudshad been done[sorry butmy Czech is not perfect also ;-)]Only for the last three years there were six "martian" meteorites (all from privat collections) recognized as Eath basalts. Something like: The thiefs doesn't care about it. [I have no idea why this sentense is here but it is also translation from another sourse - one of those: CA M`INTÉRESSE Paris; FOCUS, London]. For the same period of time that was reported 128 stolen meteorites. On the Paris meteorite exhibition in 1996 two meteorites were stolen: one from Mars and one from Moon. The one from the moon belongs to National Institute of Polar Research (Tokyo). Something like: Farrell also tryed to get a piece like that. In 1997 he went to Rio de Janeiro National Museum where he tryed to exchange small meteorite (priced at $29,000) for the Eath rock. He was catched at the airport. Stolen meteorite was in his boot. That isa funny one: And even he was judged for two years in jail, he got a chance to escape and now he is hiding somewhere. That's it. Sergey --www.branchmeteorites.com ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004
Re: [meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
My first meteorite was a Canyon Diablo, that I bought from Farrell. As I remember, it was pretty expensive. He's got some great looking catalogs, but his prices our out of the range of most people in my opinion. I remember getting an issue of Astronomy that had an article on collecting meteorites and after the article, there was a listing of meteorite collectors. I couldn't believe there were so many people that were selling meteorites besides the one. My second set of meteorites came from Al Mitterling and I still have them. I've also bought from a number of other dealers. Mike Farmer, Rob Elliot, Sergey Vasiliev, Bob Haagand Mike Casper to name a few. Everyone of the dealers I have bought from have sent me great specimens and the prices were great. Also, these dealers are all very honest and have taken the time to choose the right specimens for me. If I only had a few hundred to spend (or less), it didn't matter. There are varying degrees of quality for meteorites, I agree, but the above dealersthat I mentioned and more that I haven't have museum quality specimens for sale or can obtain them if that is what you want. Some people may have differing opinions of Mr.. Casper but he was always very helpful to meso we won't get in to that :-) Jamie
[meteorite-list] nice trade offer
Hello list.I am seeking to trade for either a piece of esquel or steinbach slices.One or the other.Here is what I offer in trade: 1.nwa 16505.1 gramseucrite 2.nwa 11093.8 gramseucrite 3.el sampal iron slice 4.nwa 1068.07 grams mars 5.roach dry lake 031 20 grams fragment 6.SAU 001 10 grams (individual) -- There is $950.00 woth of material here.I am looking for either ESQUEL or STEINBACH meteorite slice.It has to be at least 25 grams or bigger.I would prefer steinbach.But let me know if anyone is interested.I will pay all shipping and insurance. steve arnold,chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re:[meteorite-list] List Archives - another one
Hi List, i guess it sounded like I meant the posts, but I really just meant stuff like Matteo's, etc. Sternengruss, Moni Thank you! This should save my email account from being loaded up with lots of not so important stuff! :-) Happy hunting, Moni http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Asteroid warning, future impact, and panic
What you've got to remember is that even the most sophisticated computer modeling is, at heart, just highly refined guesswork! Not only do we not have actual experience with impacts, if one actually happened tomorrow, there would be nobody on hand to observe it scientifically, take measurements of pressure waves, etc. We guess by scaling up from observed nuclear events and scaling down from inferences drawn from the remains of great impacts of the past. I think you make impact modeling sound alot more guesswork than it actuall is, or may be. What we know of the effects caused by large explosions are based upon, without any exageration, the results of literally thousands of sets of experimental data. we can predict how such impacts will scale pretty darn regularly. Sure there are variables at play such as the type of impact site (bedrock vs water for example) angle of incidence, ect, but for an event such as this, surely those in the know would take account for such variables in their attempts to predict the outcome. while such estimates are not absolute predictions, they are quite likely to be 'close enough for the women i date' as the saying goes.. rememeber, essentially everything in science is an estimation. we can only estimate the force of gravity to within the accuracy of the instruments we use, but that estimation is still enough to allow us to calculate how much it will hurt when we slip on a pach of ice and hit our head on the ground, at least to an accuracy that is good enough for the situation at hand. _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] trade offer
Hello and good afternoon list.I have put together a trade I want to make for a slice of either ESQUEL or STEINBACH meteorite.It has to be at least 25 grams or bigger.Here are the items I am offering in trade: - 1.EL SAMPAL 74 gram iron slice 2.NWA 1109 3.8 gram slice eucrite 3.NWA 1650 5.1 gram slice euctite 4.ROACH DRY LAKE 013 20 GRAM FRAGMENT STONEY 5.SAU 001 10 gram individual stoney 6.NWA 1068 .07 gram fragment (MARS) SHERGOTTITE 7.NWA 3045 30.4 GRAM INDIVIDUAL --- We have a $1000 worth of material here.All this for a slice of either esquel or steinbach.I would prefer steinbach.I will pay all shipping and insurance.Please let me know off list if interested. steve arnold, chicago, usa!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trade offer
Steve, You might want to try Rob Elliott at Fernlea. He has a nice slice of Steinbach listed in that price range. And about a year ago the other Steve A.(Arkansas) was offering Steinbach. Steinbach is a very cool looking and interesting meteorite; glad I already have my own slice ;-) Good luck, Frank - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] trade offer Hello and good afternoon list.I have put together a trade I want to make for a slice of either ESQUEL or STEINBACH meteorite.It has to be at least 25 grams or bigger.Here are the items I am offering in trade: - 1.EL SAMPAL 74 gram iron slice 2.NWA 1109 3.8 gram slice eucrite 3.NWA 1650 5.1 gram slice euctite 4.ROACH DRY LAKE 013 20 GRAM FRAGMENT STONEY 5.SAU 001 10 gram individual stoney 6.NWA 1068 .07 gram fragment (MARS) SHERGOTTITE 7.NWA 3045 30.4 GRAM INDIVIDUAL -- - We have a $1000 worth of material here.All this for a slice of either esquel or steinbach.I would prefer steinbach.I will pay all shipping and insurance.Please let me know off list if interested. steve arnold, chicago, usa!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Asteroid impact effects
Ahh, but here's where you're mistaken. Many of the most important variables determining the long-term effects of an impact are unknown and unknowable. I guess we have a misunderstanding here then, because I was referring to the predictability of prompt effects of such an impact, ie initial damage zones, not long term climatic effects You have to know not only the initial quantity of material ejected into the troposphere, but the distribution of particle sizes produced, their reflectivities, their endurance, and their interaction with upper atmospheric global circulation patterns. Further complicating the picture are the effects of fires (soot) and gasses (H2O, CO2, CO, NO2, SO2, etc.) introduced into the atmosphere. The shutdown in photosynthesis will also change the O2-CO2 balance, altering the greenhouse effect. ah, but we DO have models for all these sorts of data. obvious issues like radioactivity asside, it matters little if wildfires are started via a nuclear explosion or a comet impact, the atmoshperic longevity of particle size 'x' should be the same for a nuke explosion as it is for an imact event, ect. Global weather is a chaotic system, and thus even if you have perfectly quantified all the imaginable variables, the long term behavior of the overall system is nevertheless unpredictable. Even the tiniest change in one variable can completely alter the outcome. the proverbial butterfly flapping it's wings causing a hurricane in the gulf of mexico? I dont think thats so much of an issue here. the problem with weather forcasting is that it's mainly about predicting the events of a local environment that feels the effect of innumerable outside influences. If you asked a meteoroligist to predict the local temperture of every day in the month for january of next year for your home town, i wouldnt gamble on his odds of being correct. However if you asked the same meteorologist to predict the average global temperture for the month of january, I bet ya he would be able to come pretty damn close to an accurate figure. Thats what we are talking about here. The long term effects we care about here are not the level of percitation in piorea on the 17th of march, 78 days after a 200 trillion ton impact event, we care if there is going to be any light out on a global basis, or if the planet is going to be 90 degrees colder than it normally is during the same time of the year, ect... I agree that we really dont know enough to make highly accurate long term predictions of the outcome of such an event, 'order of magnitude' predictions shold be much more reliable i would think. _ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
