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Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed
Blaine's reputation speaks for itself, but usually only to one person at a time. Thanks for sharing your experience with Blaine so others can recognize what a rarity he is. Best, John Gwilliam At 08:03 PM 6/6/2011, Dave Gheesling wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who most of you surely know by now. Follow this link, click Featured, then click Deport and read the brief Remarks: http://www.fallingrocks.com/collection.htm Such a pleasure to do business with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to. Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently made my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated! All the best, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
If my opinion counts for anything, I say let Farmer on the List again. The chronicles of his latest adventure with Robert ought to be a great story. John Gwilliam At 03:18 PM 3/9/2011, Carl 's wrote: Yay! Welcome back Mike and Robert! Yes, Art, please let Mike post here again so we can all hear if Mike's new diet plan was success or not.:D Carl2 Chris Spratt wrote: From Mike Farmer's Facebook page, he wants Art to put him back on the list so he can tell full story of his trip. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!
Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great. This should set a new standard for technology with the meteorite community at the Tucson Show!!! Best, John Gwilliam At 11:13 AM 2/4/2011, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and Nininger Awards ( at 7 P.M. tonight) Anyway take a look - It's working great! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm Take a look and send us a message via the chat feature. We could use the feedback now! Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sad news
Our family sends its condolences for your loss as well. Best to All, John Gwilliam At 01:08 PM 12/19/2010, Steve Witt wrote: Steve, My condolences to you and your family. A loss is always difficult and at this time of year it is even harder. Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 12/19/10, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 1:14 PM Hello all.I want to wish everyone the world over a truly Merry Cristmas.Our holidays were saddened today.I got news that my wife's older brother died suddenly in his sleep.He had been ill for sometime but nothing like was expected.We are still in shock.He was 61 years old.Again I do not want to burden anyone down, but as they say,we are family.Happy holidays all. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the end,it has to be this time
Evening All, I've come out of my own retirement to make a comment here. I wish you the best of luck Steve. After reading your post, I reflected back on all that has transpired over the years and I have to admit I laughed out loud. You brought something to this List that no one else could have. I can't define it or put a label on it, but you've made it interesting, that's for sure. Thanks for the laugh. Best Regards, John Gwilliam At 04:47 PM 10/21/2010, steve arnold wrote: Good evening list.I have really been thinking it over this time long and hard,and I have decided that this is the time to leave the meteorite world once and for all.The passion is gone.I cannot collect the way I want to and it is just getting way to expensive.Even tho I am working and most everything else in my world is going good,knock on wood,it is the right time.11 years,many great people,some not so great,and thousands of meteorites.I just have lost that luvin, feeling.I will be able to fall back on my first love,coin collecting.As for my current sale,please feel free to make a reasonable offer and I know I will probably make it a good one for you.I have had many world class pieces and most have found great homes. My other collection has 3 offers that I am probably going to sell to.So all is going and soon there will not even be a trace a meteorite ever existed in this home.I will hang onto some of emails from certain listee's the others I will delete.Its been a blast,but this time it is for real.Good luck to everyone and gos bless you all and this great hobby. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
Jeff, What a magnificent sense of humor! Best, John Gwilliam At 06:04 AM 5/5/2010, Jeff Grossman wrote: This has come up before, and again I have to take issue with this usage. It is absurd to call a piece comprising 10% of the total recovered mass the main mass. That is contrary to the historical usage of this term. Folks on the list love to coin pet terms, so here is a proposal: call it the LKM (largest known mass). BTW, if Marvin Killgore flies the stone to Amsterdam on Jan 15, then we might have MK taking the LKM on KLM on MLK day. Jeff On 5/5/2010 4:02 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: The Main Mass from Wisconsin will be on view here in Tucson June 12th 13th http://uanews.org/node/31788 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD; wisconsin slices - was $60 per gram AD
Joe, You don't need to apologize to anyone. Most of us understand that when you're raising a family and paying the bills, they become your number one priority. There are a lot of things more important than meteorites. Maybe the folks that think you should have kept your (main mass) stone intact should have stepped up sooner and offered to buy it themselves. And...congratulations...what a rush! Best, John Gwilliam At 08:26 PM 4/29/2010, Joe Kerchner wrote: Sorry I offended you, but we are really struggling right now, it will really help my family. Im gonna keep some, I wish I didn't HAVE to sell it, but I do Best wishes Joe kerchner -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:53 PM To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD; wisconsin slices - was $60 per gram AD Hello Greg, All, First-off, congrats to Joe - hell of a find. But I really don't understand what you bring up, Greg. If it's your dream to find one, and you finally do, you don't cut it up and sell it three days later. The story reminds me of quite a few, to be honest: dealer chases down new fall/find, finds it, cuts it up, sells it. So, I agree - spectacular find, but...well, it *was* a pretty stone. Now it's a pile of slices waiting to be shipped. It was his dream to go and find a stone, and then to cut it up and sell it all to make a few thousand dollars? If I owned a slice (and I'm not planning on buying one), I wouldn't look down at it thinking this is a piece of the realization of one's man dream, because all it got him in the end was $60/g. I don't know about you, but I consider my dreams to be worth more than that, and it would cost a hell of a lot more for you to get me to sell them. You're treating it like it's a business. Calling it something else seems strange -- and calling it priceless...all this sentimental talk from someone who just sliced up a beautiful stone strikes me as a little funny. I'll take it quietly while a dealer dices with no pretext [to make money], but thisthis annoys me significantly more. Is it really the dream of most people out there to simply find a new fall for the cash in it? Are meteorite enthusiasts on the whole really coming to that? I feel as though this message might give the wrong impression - I can't begin to convey how happy I am for Joe and his truly spectacular find, but what I'm seeing is the exact opposite of what I would expect from someone who just found the meteorite of his or her dreams...and it's beyond disappointing to me if this is really what meteorite hunters hope to do with their 'dream finds...' Jason On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi to all, an update to my AD. All samples I had available have been sold or are on hold. Joe's stone is an awesome find. Since I have known Joe, he has been wanting and wishing for a local fall he could go to. He got his wish with the WI fall. This was for him as the Whetstone was for Jack. It was meant to be. Joe had his kids with him and together, his wish came true. That alone is enough of a story make his find worth more then any hammer, or any other stone found from this fall. The Kerchner Stone is a sample to be had for any collection as it is shows as an example that wishes do come true. I will be getting one, even though I have some already... just for the story behind it. Hope everyone is good! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; wisconsin slices To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:27 PM Im takin orders for slices from the 332 gram kerchner stone. If you are looking for a specific sized slice or part slice, you can put in you request now. Slices will be from .5g -20g slices0 they will be very thin and most part slices over 2g will have crust. If you want an end piece I will have 2 available. Contact me off list for prices, it will be the lowest I have seen offered. You can request slices larger than 20 if you want. I have had many people promised slices already so hurry if you want one. Pieces will be mailed out first thing monday morning. Best wishes Joe kerchner __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman
Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé finds his first mete o rite from the April 14, 2010 Wisconsin fireball!
I admire all you folks that have made the effort to get to Wisconsin and recover fresh meteorites. My life is so full of other commitments that I couldn't do what you've done. Kudos, John Gwilliam At 11:21 AM 4/20/2010, Greg Catterton wrote: Congrats to Greg H. Way to go! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Tue, 4/20/10, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé finds his first meteorite from the April 14, 2010 Wisconsin fireball! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 8:49 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/greg_hupe.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
It is interesting, and sad, what greed and blind hope do to some people. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:40 AM 3/31/2010, Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, The four million dollar meteorite showed up that I mentioned yesterday. The sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these are real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he did his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a professional must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a coffee can and smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could detect the unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites give off. I believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is smelling or he has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). Either way, this is another heartbreak in the making. Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news that he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his granddaughter's medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. Here are some images for those who may be interested: Link one: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg Link two: http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
Morning All, A couple of weeks ago, A fellow from Grand Junction, Colorado called me. He's looking for someone to search for meteorites in two craters in New Mexico that have never been hunted before. The catch is that whoever he chooses for the privilege, must take his 86 year old mother along on the adventure. Not to worry, he claims she gets around better that most 50 year olds. It seems the mother grew up on a ranch near the two craters and knew(knows) the people who have owned the land forever. Even though she hasn't had any contact with the owners in a long, long time, she and her son are pretty sure they will remember his grandfather who lived there many decades ago. The craters are large. One even has a house built in the bottom of it. When I asked him if he and his mom would be interested in having a team of professional meteorite hunter take on the task, he was very clear they would assuredly be off the property with a gun if they weren't accompanied by his mother. He's sure the land owners will remember his mom once they get a chance to talk about family history back about half a century. Well, he's pretty sure. So, if any of you intrepid hunters want to roll the dice and get a chance at discovering some yet-to-be-discovered meteorites, let me know. I'll give you the fellow's name and phone number. Before I hung up the phone, I asked the man a simple question. What prompted your mother to get interested in meteorites after all these years? Did she happen to see a TV program about Meteorite Men or something similar? Yeh he said, I do believe she watched a program about meteorites. Isn't it amazing how creative the human brain can be? Have a good week, John Gwilliam Anger doesn't solve anything. It builds nothing, but it can destroy everything Lawrence D. Wilder. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010
Congratulations are in order for Greg. How cool! John At 06:05 AM 2/11/2010, mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html __ Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Firearms related posts on a meteorite list
I've kept quiet on this subject up to now, but since several members won't let it die a decent death, here's my perspective. Kudos to Robert Ward!!! Take a different look at these pieces of metal, wood and plastic. I am sensitive to the overall gun issue but believe they are simply another tool that can be used for good and bad purposes. Guns in the right hands can do marvelous things. In the hands of Allied forces in the 1940's, these tools liberated Europe from a fate that I shudder to think what might have been. Over 300,000 American boys picked up these tools and made the sacrifice to free many nations, who couldn't do it themselves, from the horror of dictatorship and genocide. Back to lurking, John Gwilliam At 09:03 PM 2/3/2010, Robert Ward wrote: I spent three years training at the finest firearms institution on the planet learning about every aspect of the industry, and even designing and manufacturing my own firearms models, I am an expert in the field, and I assure you they are not killing tools and assault rifles when they leave the factory. They are pieces of metal and plastic, People do the killing, guns are inanimate objects. So Mr. G, I have been involved with firearms my entire life, ask my friends if they think I am a morbid person. You say we should not offend our European friends with our rights and traditions? Growing up I spent my summers in Africa, and I saw things that offended my that are far to morbid to mention here, I did not offend them by sharing my thoughts of these customs, I looked the other way and left, if that pic offends you push delete. I noticed a post that mentioned a statistic from the FBI website, 9,369 firearms related murders in the U.S. in 2002, another statistic to compare this to is the great genocide in Rwanda, 800,000 murdered with machete's. I assure you, in the right hands some sharp Chinga, or Seymchan slices that are for sale in several rooms in Tucson could dispatch one's life just as fast as a firearm. Peter Davidson, those who know me would probably agree that I am someone that could be pigeon holed into some Hick-Redneck category, Peter, I am not offended by your prejudice, I am proud of my heritage growing up on farms and ranches, oh yeah, I am a NRA life member too. I trust that all of you that are so offended by this pic do not subscribe to cable, or satellite television services, nor do you attend movies with morbid guns in them. Grow up, just click delete, and spend this much time finding some useful input for the METEORITE LIST. Maybe I will post a pic of my cats high up on one of my collection pieces so the PETA people can have there turn. Robert Ward __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Photography (Must read!)
Al is right on this one. The higher the F-stop number, the greater the depth of field is, i.e more of a three dimensional object will be in focus. The drawback to this is less light enters the lens thus requiring a longer shutter speed. And, if your not careful, a background that is too close can be in focus as well. There are many different ways to take good quality pictures of meteorites, experimentation is the key. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:50 AM 1/27/2010, al mitt wrote: Hi Erik and all, I'd think just the opposite would be correct. A higher f-stop (f 22, 18 etc.) would create a better depth of field and the more open your iris is on your camera (lower f stop, 1.8, 2.0 etc.) the less focused your items would be. I think you just stated it backwards. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites - Original Message - From: Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Photography (Must read!) The third thing is auto-blending. For those of you who have SLR's you will notice that shooting at a higher F-stop like F1.8 or F2.8 is a lot sharper than shooting at a lower F-stop like F22. The problem is, you might have to drop your F-stop to make sure the whole meteorite is in focus. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Two Metal Detectors, Microscope and more.
Good morning List members, I have a few items I'm selling off at great prices. First, I have two White's Goldmaster V/sat metal detectors. Both are used but in fine working condition. One has the standard small elliptical coil - $150. The second V/sat has the much larger (searches deeper) Gold Max coil plus the original small coil - $200. MBC-10 microscope with all the goodies that come with it plus a Tobin polarizer, two camera mounts and a neat little arm that you can mount a small LED light (like a Mini Maglite) to the mast. $270. A signed copy of The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites that contains lots of autographs of many of the meteorite crowd that showed up at the Tucson Show 2005 - $190 or best offer or the next couple of days. See pictures here of this book here: http://www.johngwilliam.com/autographedbook.htm And last, a copy of Catalog of Meteorites Fifth Edition with CD and in excellent + condition. $75.00 Paypal preferred. USA sales/shipping only. buyer(s) to pay reasonable packing and shipping costs. Regards and Thanks, John Gwilliam 602-509-4343 Best Regards, John Gwilliam A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. [Thomas Paine] Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] freebies
Steve, Here's a helpful hint that will save you time and aggravation. Instead of wading through 40 emails to find the first seven, just take the first seven that showed up in your INBOX. Bob's your uncle, John Gwilliam At 06:45 PM 9/2/2009, steve arnold wrote: Hi all.All 7 freebies are all gone.I had to wade thru 40 emails,but the first 7 got them.Just remember to send your address when they are announced.Also lets lose this stupid alien life thing.One of the most stupid threads I have ever seen on this list.Lets just do meteorites and thier related topics. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
I'm curious. How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the last few weeks, let alone many? John Gwilliam At 07:55 PM 9/2/2009, Pete Shugar wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Like To Rant Online?
Good Morning Listees, Here's the link to an interesting article that appeared on the front page of this mornings Arizona Republic newspaper. In light of the many posts that have been made over the past few days about an incident involving two members of our Meteorite List and Community, I thought everyone might benefit by reading this article. We should all weigh our words (notice I said we) carefully before posting anything anywhere on the Internet. Have a great day, John Gwilliam http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/08/27/20090827social-net0827.html John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question
Well, I don't know about *my* reckoning, but for my dogs it would be either 0.624 or 29.89 years. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to multiply or divide by seven;-) My best guess is that it would be a fraction of instantaneous. John The Bewildered At 08:56 PM 8/25/2009, Rob Matson wrote: Hi Eric and List, Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* reckoning of time? --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question
It took Anita to get me on track. Here's is Arizona's pride and joy - a natural hole in a terrestrials rock! And...just three miles north of Arizona State University, home or a very famous meteorite collection located in the Bateman Natural Science Building. I believe it is holy as there are a number of wedding performed there every year. http://www.gemland.com/holeinrock.htm Thanks to Chicago Ssteve for starting this very informative and provocative thread! Best, John Gwilliam At 08:26 PM 8/22/2009, Anita Westlake wrote: Whoops. Picture didn't come through. Try this link: http://www.theholeintherock.com/ Anita - Original Message From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:04:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Dear List: I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. I hope this helps, Anita __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
Dirk and List, Friday morning editorial. It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes out. I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended vacation to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror. I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to help me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this makes me a naysayer then so be it. Best Regards, and have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: Dear list, Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do you have a very good explanation? Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. For all of you naysayers that take his free gifts and support him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his aid as a dupe. Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo Item number:290341318450 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=290341318450 Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) Cancelled: US $13.00 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 07:12:41 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 Cancelled: US $27.99 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 09:55:51 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 06:53:49 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 Cancelled: US $46.98 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 19:52:27 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 Cancelled: US $59.65 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 10:23:52 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 Cancelled: US $1.25 Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 20:50:08 PDT Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
The sellers motive for closing an auction early and canceling all bids should indeed be taken into account. If the item is broken, stolen or you find out it does not function properly after you listed it, then you have a legitimate reason to close an auction early and cancel bids. This situation is different. The sole motive ( I talked with Dirk on the phone this morning and have seen, in writing, Steve's reply to him) in this case is simply about being offered more money (actually more value in a trade) which is unethical. If we throw ethics out the window and determine or behavior based singularly on what is legal, then we can become like the big business plunderers, who claim everything they did was within the law. Cheers, John At 08:54 AM 8/21/2009, Meteorites USA wrote (in part): The point to this post is not that I'm attacking or defending anyone but rather pointing out that there are valid reasons for sellers to cancel an auction. Maybe you listed an item and it got stolen, or broken, or you relisted it by accident (this might happen to a larger seller who lists hundreds or thousands of items per month). Maybe it was a grilled cheese sandwich with Jesus on it and your dog ate it! Thanks for reading this very long post. I promise my next one won't be as long... ;) Regards, Eric John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results
This is very typical of auctions for just about anything, it is not unique to meteorites. I've been to antique auctions where high priced items got passed over while low end things got fought over. Same is true for horses and cattle (which I have personal knowledge of). Next time you bid at an auction, especially a live one, pay attention to what goes on inside your head. Most people have a limit of how much they will bid per increment and also what price they will drop out. However, it's easy to get sucked into bidding $10 or $20 or $50 more than you your original plan. It's easy to twenty dollar yourself to death at auctions. In my opinion, it's easier to justify bidding on twenty $50 items rather than one $1,000 item even though they have the same total value. Auction bidding can get addictive. Best, John Gwilliam At 12:25 AM 8/19/2009, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt --Original Message-- From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1ps=25st=Dsale_no=262 Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming Meteorite Market Trends. Mike Fowler Chicago __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
How about Bob Haag's Venus Stone? As far as I know, none has ever been offered for sale. Best, John Gwilliam At 02:53 PM 8/19/2009, impact...@aol.com wrote: Calcalong and Governador Valadares are good candidates. I would suggest Chassigny. Not so much because it is a Martian but because it is a Fall, almost 2 centuries old, a small meteorite, namesake of a whole class of meteorites, and so far the only named meteorite in this tiny class. Angra do Reis is another candidate, for similar reasons. And then you have many meteorites who are entirely in Museums or Institutions, and not available, no matter the ammount of money. Cabin Creek in Vienna, Goose Lake in The Smithsonian, are but 2 examples. I am sure there are many more examples. Anybody cares to think up of some more of those un-obtainable meteorites? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:52:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, daist...@hotmail.com writes: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!
I'm in total agreement. How long with this List tolerate Bill Kies garbage? John Gwilliam At 04:47 PM 8/18/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: This email was totally uncalled for, and I found it very offensive and in poor taste. Greg S. From: parkforest...@hotmail.com To: gee...@msn.com Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get ripped... Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. Who's the black private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? SHAFT! Ya damn right! Who is the man that would risk his neck For his brother man? SHAFT! Can you dig it? Who's the cat that won't cop out When there's danger all about? SHAFT! Right On! They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother SHUT YOUR MOUTH! I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. THEN WE CAN DIG IT! He's a complicated man But no one understands him but his woman JOHN SHAFT! From: gee...@msn.com To: parkforest...@hotmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you whatI wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. Regards, Greg Lindh From: parkforest...@hotmail.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! HELLO, HELLO I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. From: mikew...@gilanet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... Hello, On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on whatever you like. SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I remember correctly). This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple and FUN. Any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website
Mike, It's nice to see someone do something creative with their energy and enthusiasm. Congratulations on your new website, it's quite impressive. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:10 PM 8/18/2009, Mike Bandli wrote: Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem
Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence! It's pretty obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the mix-up of the African desert material got started. Just my opinion though. John Gwilliam At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote: FWIW Eric Twelker Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: Michael Casper cas...@meteorites.com Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE Reply-To: cas...@meteorites.com LIVE FROM DENVER! We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco Found August 1999 4 different meteorites found within 10km This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of the berber tribe.j Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment is MC/VISA. Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different meteorites. Michael Casper Meteorites, Inc. P. O. Drawer J Ithaca, New York 14851 USA 607-257-5349 (phone) 607-266-7904 (fax) email: cas...@meteorites.com http://www.meteorites.com -- Archives located at: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/list_best.html For help, FAQ's and sub. info. visit: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.html -- __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker
Sorry to jump in here but someone needs to tell Howard that his last two posts to the List ( as is this one) are in violation of List policies. Please review them yourself and quit being the List mother. John Gwilliam At 07:51 PM 8/11/2009, Howard Steffic wrote: Alright then, maybe I do not know the history between Bob and Steve. I really do not care about this private matter and maybe many other list members do not car either. Do me a favor, Michael. Please review the list policies especially rule number 9. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html Kind of hard to justify your forwarding email practices now, would you not agree? Howard Steffic Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker From: mlbl...@cox.net To: bencub...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi Howard and all, In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. He has conducted much research and part of that research Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other Meteoritic material. He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails Were getting lost getting to Australia. Again, no response. I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many People dump on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I should be thrown off the list for forewording something with so mild A comment.. Strange. Strange, indeed. Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to others. Best wishes, Michael On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, Howard Steffic wrote: Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. Thanks for the spam. Howard Steffic Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker Can u post to the list for me I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main masses to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and methinx a lot more articles Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but everything plods away in its own time Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just in case they don't already know Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off the list again... Cheers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync :082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple
Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics
I have to agree here. I live just 1.5 miles from a small airport that is also a residential neighborhood. The homes have hangers for their planes. In residence are three P-51s, some P-40s and three Stearman biplanes. If this List can tolerate an occasional break from convention to deal with personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby notices, and I finally got a new job notices, etc., we should be able to tolerate some pictures of aircraft. Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back a lot of old memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA 482 and Ourique? Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! Best, John Gwilliam At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take from me http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?set=124dom_id=dom_sld=chinellatophotodom_tld=comno_tags=1sito_gratis=sito=local_page=fotoleft_local_page=seleziona_album=Aeronautica just for remember, in this list many others have put messages OT from meteorites in this years Matteo - Original Message - Da : cdtuc...@cox.net A : Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 Thank you Mike Hankey. I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I thought one of the planes might have been practicing dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever need them. Take care. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Enjoy. http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment
I'm glad to see you had an acceptable resolution to your problem. Many people are not as fortunate as you and end up taking the entire loss themselves. Maria Haas is one of those people who work behind the scene at solving issues very effectively. The next time someone complains about the IMCA, remind them of this incident. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:41 PM 8/4/2009, Gary Fujihara wrote: Aloha, Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would say) The rest of the story. The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and wrote my email to the list. The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a manner possible. At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as they say, is history...but wait, there's more. Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of meteorite enthusiast. BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites from the same person in the same country and postal system from which my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A really nice stone we cut into today...
Very interesting indeed. It's amazing how much variety comes out of the NWAs. I don't think I've ever seen a breccia with that much value contrast and sharp boundries. Thanks for sharing! John Gwilliam At 07:23 PM 7/28/2009, Greg Catterton wrote: Check this one out, just cut today from a single fresh crusted NWA stone. TW before cutting was 165 grams. It was a rather nice treat to see the inside of this when we cut it. 10.6 gram complete slice - 2mm thick http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWA106g.jpg 61.6 gram complete slice - 1/2 thick http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWA616gmainmass.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Koenigsbrueck, Saxonia is a hot desert find
Several years ago, when the NWAs started showing up in large amounts, there were several people on this list (including myself) who were concerned about false finds being submitted as new meteorites. It doesn't take dishonest people too long to figure out that a common meteorite purchased at a show can be planted in some new location where a new find would bring a lot of money. I don't know how this can be prevented or avoided, but it's pretty obvious that dealing with people you know very well is a step in the right direction. Just four days after Jack Schrader announced his first finds of the latest Arizona fall, I got a phone call from a guy in Southern Arizona who claimed he had a new Arizona meteorite he had found three and a half years ago and he was going to sell it at auction. He wasn't clear about what kind of auction he intended to use, but I got the idea he was going to offer it to whoever offered him the highest bid over the phone. I get so many calls like this I was going to tell the man I wasn't interested but decided to ask him a few questions. His answers were typical and somewhat amusing. The find location was somewhere in Southern Arizona, but he wouldn't narrow it down any more than that. He claimed the first test he had done was a fire assay. H, seems like a weird test for a meteorite. Next, when asked what the classification was, he said it was an anomalous achondrite with 28% nickel. He had sliced the nearly 2 kilo stone and had a ~750 gram slice that was full of metal veins. To get the metal to show up better he had etched the slice with pure nitric acid. as I asked more questions, his answers got more evasive. Sure hope I didn't miss out on a good deal, but my common sense told me to take a pass. There's nothing to prevent someone from offering an inexpensive NWA meteorite as a new find. As long as they stick to their story it's near impossible to prove them wrong. It has happened to me a few times so I'm guessing it has happened to other List members as well. Is there a solution to this? I guess only time will tell. Best from sunny Arizona where we're expecting 115F today, John Gwilliam At 07:16 AM 7/28/2009, Martin Altmann wrote: Hello list, because I couldn't find it mentioned yet on the list here. In the last German meteorite, a find made in 2004 in Saxonia by a moldavites hunter, typical weathering feautures of hot desert meteorites were found. So it was a fake. Hopefully Königsbrück will be soon removed from the Meteorite Bulletin Database? Unfortunately I still find there another skeleton in the cupboard of German meteorites listed as an official meteorite. Inningen, Bavaria, 1998. The Ni-content and the trace element data are consistent with Sikhote-Alin and the piece is a typical shrapnel. (That's why no structural type had could been determined). From impact dynamics we all know, that shrapnels are produced only by impacts of major iron masses. Inningen was a single 1.2kg specimen, found on a road. It's highest time after 10 years now, I'd say, to remove Inningen from the Catalogue or at least to mark it as doubtful. (That becomes more and more a fashion to fake finds. A while ago someone in Germany claimed to have found a Gibeon in a quarry - and 2 weeks ago a German tried me to sell a meteorite he had found here by his own - an indochinite!) Best! Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [off-list]--NOT WHATS WITH THE ATTACKING
Jason, Sounds to me that you've taken several semesters of BLATHERING at Berkley. John Gwilliam...a man of few words At 01:04 PM 7/23/2009, Jason Utas wrote: Elton, Jason wrote: Posting messages that were intended to be kept private to the list is wrong - unless they are necessary in proving a situation such as a deal gone wrong, or cheating having taken place, So Jason which of your listed situations applies to what you've just done? You're the one who supported Tom's post. How's it feel to have the same done to you? Given your response, I don't think you liked it. It proves my point. If I'm wrong for doing it, Tom was wrong for doing it. Transitivity. a = b b = c ergo a = c (!) Were you drunk or has that testosterone problem flared up again? Yeah, I may be in college, but not all of us do rubbish like that. Maybe the fact that it's Berkeley has something to do with it. There are at least a few smart-ish people up here. That said, given your response, I think it's a bit odd for you to be bandying about testosterone as a cause for anything; unless your balls have dropped off, it's as much a cause for your writing as it is for mine. Unless you're going senile, of course. You are so predictable-- You attacked Tom, for posting private emails to the list and within 6 hours you've done the same thing. Yes, because I've done this in the pastnot. It proved my point, at any rate. If I'm wrong for doing it, then Tom was wrong for doing it. Tom is still wrong. And if you learn that, and Tom learns that, then this won't ever happen again. You've really let me down--I expected it within no more than 4 hours! Just as predictable, you didn't have the guts to mail me a copy directly. Emailing directly means nothing when you send a copy to the list, FYI. You posted this message to the list as well as myself - I got only one copy, as gmail consolidates things like that into one message. Maybe your email works differently, but the messages should still arrive at the same time, give or take a few minutes (at most), so it's a moot point, regardless. You've proved what I said about you was right on -- you are incapable of having a man-to-man direct discussion, so you have to enlist the entire list hoping someone will help take the heat off your hypocrisy. Yeah, just look at everyone stepping in to help. Oh, wait. No one ever steps in. Check the archives. I did get a number of private emails though. All supportive save two (those two = 1/4 of the messages received). Maybe I just want them to see what kind of a person you are. I wonder why that would work to my advantage, eh? Put up or shut up. After your last spew of psychological BS, I think you're really not in a place to be saying anything along these lines at the moment. Show me you've got a pair and address me directly and off list. Stop bothering the list with your co-dependency crap. Hardly. If you insist on propagating this anti-Steve/'I'm better than you' rubbish, it's staying here. I'm not letting you get away with bullying me in private, undoubtedly ignoring the issue in the process. After all, we're still talking about your conduct with regards to the Steve issue, which is...kind of a list issue, assuming, at least, that you're not as stubborn as Steve is, and might change your ways. After all, the only reason I say take the Steve stuff off-list is because its being on-list doesn't serve any purpose; he doesn't care. You say you do care. Maybe you'll shut up. Your discourse started me reflecting. I've 186 or so semester hours, postgrad Clinical psych, plus 6 months of internships with sex offenders in southern prisons, state mental hospitals, Alzheimer victims and Chronic DUI offenders so if you want to debate such content, lets form a group at yahoo and have at it but, this isn't the place for it. (NOTE: I have grounds a plenty to justify my preference for meteorites over that for humanity). Oh and you've had what...a self awareness class? Did you pass? First- off, I guess I'm glad that you're so accomplished in the field of psychology, but it seems that you've forgotten some of the basics. Back to the textbook, eh? I'm assuming it's been a while since you learned the stuff. I've only taken Psych 1 at Berkeley and some research work on five or so studies. Just the standard pre-major (not the other one) general psychology class. Of course, if any of my points were incorrect, you may by all means quote me to point out which of my statements regarding the psychological aspect of our discussion was in fact wrong. By all means. I mean, just saying you're wrong without saying how or why doesn't get anyone anywhere, especially when I refuted every one of your points - it sounds like you're copping out. But looking at your actions from a psychological perspective, I mean, honestly - you were just trying to use the vocabulary of a subject about which you assumed I knew nothing in order
Re: [meteorite-list] WHATS WITH THE ATTACKING
I have one more limerick, hope nobody minds me adding it here. On the List he is known for his ragging, and the meteorites that he's been bagging And he's sure we must see no one's greater than he Tho' his true love's not hunting but bragging. John Gwilliam - still a man of few words. At 01:19 PM 7/23/2009, Jason Utas wrote: Hey Phil, See my response to Elton. Your response amounts to trolling even more than his. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) You're right, and I do have a job. I'm currently taking summer classes and working Mon-Fri at the Space Sciences Lab as a lab assistant. It's not much - just ordinary lab cleaning, running samples on a spectroscope, helping with a research project on the terrestrial ages of antarctic meteoritesrun of the mill stuff. Speaking of which, I've spent most of my lunch hour writing these damn responses. Go figure. What do you do in your free time, eh? Something better? Jason On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:14 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseumjoshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Jason: That's an awful lot of psycho babble, you seem to be developing an unhealthy preoccupation (obsession) with Chicago Steve. Maybe you should look into getting a part time job to fill up your extra free time. ;-) Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ONLY ONE ATTACK LIMERICK PER WEEK
Please elaborate. Is that one Attack Limerick per week per sender or recipient? Cheers, John Gwilliam At 02:52 PM 7/23/2009, michael cottingham wrote: Hello, In keeping with the tradition of limiting things here on the list... I vote for limiting Attack Limerick's , one per week, per person. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Anyone who didn't figure out that this was a prank from the get go needs to go buy a hat with the word WHOOOSHABLE embroidered on the front...or on the back...depending on who you are. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:43 PM 7/19/2009, Mark Grossman wrote: I guess the issue is that everyone expects Mike to act a certain way - not judging good or bad here at all - and when he switches gears, it catches some of us off guard! I'm willing to bet there were several list members who heard that whoosh over their heads! Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com To: impact...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! Hello, Of course it is a joke, everyone knows that Acme brand tracking gizmos are useless. The best tracking devices are those made by Tom Brown The Tracker. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: Mike, Did you call the cops? Did you fill up a police report? Send me a copy of that police report. And if it is a joke, I'll expect an apology. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/19/2009 7:04:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thursday Night
of that first. I have thousands of Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct until they ran out) I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against them. I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00, so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box so let's call it $30.00. I don't know why you cant just sell what you own for what it is, and not try to Billy Mays it all daytime TV style. It is good for a laugh though. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Meteor Men Epidsode 1
Well, I thought Steve must be TBD and Geoff Captain Meteor. What a hoot! John At 12:21 AM 7/13/2009, Richard Kowalski wrote: So which one of you two is Captain Meteor? I guess that's Steve and Geoff must be The Norseman since he makes the ladies Uncomfortably hot... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 7/13/09, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Meteor Men Epidsode 1 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 12:06 AM List, Perhaps the alternative? Is this a coincidence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxA6-Ji70MNR=1 Enjoy or not, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astro Mikes meteor streak Photo
And, with the addition of the Star Trek uniform, I think he's on his way to becoming a legend...at least in his own mind anyway. Whether the image proves to be an airplane of a meteor, I've always had a hard time legitimizing people who dress-up like fictional fantasy characters. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:25 PM 7/11/2009, Rob Wesel wrote: The telescope image is cool and all but I'm diggin' the top one where he's in company with Einstein, Hawking and Galileoa new hero emerges. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- Luck is what happens When Preparation meets talent Mike Hankey, 2009 or Luck is what happens when a light source crosses A random point in space while you are coincidentally Photographing that same random point in space. - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Meteorites USA' e...@meteoritesusa.com; 'dean bessey' deanbes...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astro Mikes meteor streak Photo Another interesting feature that points to fireball is that the light streaks are not consistent in intensity - like a flickering object. This could be due to over-enhancement, but I don't think so. Every other telescope/long exposure image I can find on the web (of aircraft) shows them like solid bars of light or strobes. Also, it may be my screen, but I cannot see red or blue lights in Hankey's image. A good example of a large plane: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0708/M33airplane_stephan720.jpg or search Google Images for many more. Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:56 PM To: dean bessey; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astro Mikes meteor streak Photo Hey Dean, List, OK all... Before we get all excited over this. The photo IS in fact 100% a fireball, without a doubt it is a fireball fragmentation. It came from Mike Hankey and he has graciously let me post it on my meteorite blog. There is an explanation of the photo below with links to enhanced images. It is not a plane, though I thought it was when I first looked at it, after careful examination and looking at the hi-res images it is a fireball/bolide event captured in the photo. There are too many streaks large and small for this to be a plane unless that plane is lit up like a Christmas tree. In addition you will notice that toward the bottom of the image the streak get further apart, just as pieces of the fireball would have done during fragmentation... Look at this hi-res image: http://meteoriteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/meteorjuly62009-watermar ked-blog.jpg And this one here which I enhanced to show the streaks a bit clearer: http://meteoriteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Fireball-Photo-MH-closeu p.jpg And this one: http://meteoriteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Fireball-Photo-Mike-Hank ey-.jpg Read the blog post here: http://meteoriteblog.com/fireball-photos-meteor-streaks-through-sky-pa-fireb all/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric P.S. Sky Telescope has asked Hankey to publish the image... dean bessey wrote: --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: I have captured numerous aircraft on long exposure and they all have strobes and appear as segmented lines. This one certainly does not, though it may be so close that it is not showing the break in strobes snip I think the explanation for that is probably that usually you photograph small slow moving aircraft like a cessna while this is a much larger aircraft (Due to all of the light streaks - a small cessna wouldent have as many lights) and was probably moving faster and further away (Although not 30,000 feet as there were landing lights on). Anybody also notice that in the photo the Meteor is going up toward space rather than falling like you would expect a meteor to do? Cheers DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name of Texas Fall: Ash Creek
I think this is a very simple and rational idea that will help avoid confusion and conflicts down the road. Best, John Gwilliam At 04:03 PM 4/16/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, I would suggest that the best way for a dealer to advertise by name would be to start off with: West, Texas (ASH CREEK), Witnessed Fall, etc... and migrate with time and familiarity to: ASH CREEK (West, Texas), Witnessed Fall, etc... Very useful invention, the parenthesis; It's like having hip pockets... handy. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Name of Texas Fall: Ash Creek Chris, If I write a scientific paper, I will call it Ash Creek. For commercial purposes, if it isn't illegal, I will keep calling it West. After all, that is the purpose of having synonyms is so that you can call things by other names, right? There will be no confusion to me. I don't think anyone else in the community will be confused. Anyone that says Ash Creek we will know what they are saying. Anyone that uses the West name, we will know what they are saying as well. Just like if they say it is from the United States or they say it is from America. I agree with Mark that some meteorites that have already been sold with the name West might get lost in the TKW tallies. Some collections (public and private) will have West on their labels instead of Ash Creek. But 75 years from now, it will be just as easy to sort out as Toluca on a Glen Huss label is from Xiquipilco on a Nininger label... they are the same rock. The only confusion will probably be in the collector market, and I don't think the NomCom cares all that much about the collector market, or that the name West has been used in all the media references up until now. Just Google Search West Meteorite then search Ash Creek Meteorite. If they did care, the official name would have been assigned within a few days and this minor confusion would have easily been avoided. Their priority is for the scientific side of things, not the pop culture side of things. Steve Arnold Arkansas In a message dated 4/16/2009 11:33:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, c...@alumni.caltech.edu writes: Perhaps those who seek to commercially trade new falls within the first few weeks of recovery need to be a bit more careful with _their_ nomenclature. There is a reason why a formal naming process exists (and face it, West is a horrible name that should never have been used). IMO, if you're going to sell early, you shouldn't give it a name at all, just a description (the recent, as-yet-unnamed fall near West, Texas). I can say with some confidence, as somebody who only deals with meteorites in scientific collections, that this name change isn't going to cause any confusion at all. Chris **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh, The Stories They Tell....
A good indication that there is a great need in this country for Prozac maintenance programs and extended three-times-a-week counseling. Even though I ducked out of the business three years ago, I still get calls from people with the same fantasy tales of witnessed impacts and meteorites in craters so big thay can't be moved. When I ask for more details or pictures the conversations become really bizarre. Best, John At 02:06 PM 4/4/2009, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: There's a very simple explanation to this story: the guy's lying!!! How do I know? Because they always lie!! Why would you ever assume even for a second that such an outlandish story is true? I work at a small Earth Space Museum with a large collection of meteorites. Every single story I've heard from people witnessing falls have been bogus. At least 10 people in the last year and a half have brought in meteorwrongs that they swear up and down hit their house. One was so hot that it melted the vinyl siding! (It was railroad rock.) One hit the house, went through the roof, bounced around inside awhile, then smashed through the wall and landed outside in the yard. (It was silicon.) Others have hit houses narrowly missing the occupants. (Slag, klinkers and more silicon). 3 or 4 people have been outside and had to duck to avoid getting hit. (Hematite and yet more slag.) Several people have come in with stories of seeing very large meteorites hit the ground, explode, form big craters, etc. Every one of these I've checked out has been a meteorwrong. Often people will bring in non native minerals and swear they found them here in Indiana, or saw them fall from the sky. I just had a chunk of antimony brought in that was supposedly found 30 feet underground! My favorite was an older lady that just finished watching a television show about how meteorites are worth millions of dollars, when suddenly she was startled by the sound of something hitting the side of her house. You guessed it, it was meteorites! 5 of them. (One was railroad rock, 3 pieces of slag, a chunk of asphalt, and a piece of melted plastic.) Under questioning, not one relented, they all stuck to their stories. They seemed to really believe their stories. It's an interesting psychological phenomenon that meteorites (like sex) seem to induce people to tell outrageous stories. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics
The issue of trespassing on Arizona State lands should be addressed here as well. Whether you're hunting meteorites, hiking, bird watching or participating in any other activity on Arizona State lands, you must have a special permit. I must be clear about the meteorite hunting issue. Having one of the special Arizona State Lands permits doesn't give you the right to hunt for meteorites (or anything else for that matter) while on Arizona land. My wife and I were bird watching at Queen Valley ( close to the Florence Highway turn-off east of Apache Junction) when a State officer approached us and asked to see our permit. Not having one, we thought we'd get a polite reminder about proper procedures, but instead got threatened with a citation or arrest if we remained where we were of showed up again without the proper permit. This guy was all business, nothing pleasant or polite in the least way. We now carry one of the special access permits in our vehicle. Be careful out there! Best, John Gwilliam - not a member of the Ssteve Arnold Fan Club At 01:13 PM 4/2/2009, Michael Murray wrote: Here's a couple things pertaining to Colorado you might want to check out before planning your hunt in this state: Each person must have a Colorado Wildlife Habitat Stamp on their person if they plan to cross or enter a State Wildlife Area or some of the State leased properties. The rules for being on State owned properties is definitely worth checking into before heading out. Things like metal detectors could be an issue in some places. Colorado has, like 20-some other states, adopted some pretty restrictive regulations governing ATV use. By ATVs I mean unlicensed off-road vehicles or motorcycles. Mike On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Michael Murray wrote: Maybe the words to do it right weren't the best choice of words. I meant so that one could be reasonably assured they have covered all the bases so that they don't offend a property owner or get in trouble with the law. Hope that helps. Mike On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Michael Murray wrote: In a constructive thread, I'd like to hear more about how the hunters out there discuss hunting private property with landowners, how they determine who owns the property, do you pay a fee normally, do you do a formal written agreement on split of find. Could be that if some of the more seasoned List participants/ hunters visit this topic in a somewhat detailed manner that other hunters might better arm themselves with the knowledge it takes to do it right. Mike in CO __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silver stuff on the West?
Here's an idea about the silver blotches on some of the West meteorites. Could it be pure nickel? I don't know if it's possible for metallic particles in meteorites to consist of mostly nickel. Are all iron/nickel blebs a homogeneous mix of the two metals? The color of this silver blotching looks a lot like matte nickel plating that is often found on firearms and some plumbing fixtures. Just a thought. Best, John At 10:19 PM 3/19/2009, McCartney Taylor wrote: I have found another specimen with a pronounced silver 'line' http://outofabluesky.com/images/stories/stoneymeteorites/west15-1.jpg I really don't know what to make of it. In this new piece, its like its a silver blob that melted and oozed out of the tiny gash in the stone. I'm disinclined now to a post fall chemical reaction. Do take note of the oxidation effect the rain had on the stone. There is another specimen with silver 'blotches' on this page, the 29.5g piece. http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfoliocat=4project=46Itemid=58 Any good theories out there? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?
In addition to being a homemaker, Twink is one heck-of-a meteorite hunter who looks 49. Best, John Gwilliam At 09:32 AM 2/19/2009, Larry Twink Monrad wrote: Oh I forgot, I will be 64 in a couple of months. Will you still need me Will you still feed me When I'm sixty four Twink Monrad __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's split a shipping box order (for meteorites)
You might consider including the cost of your shipping materials ( boxes, peanuts, bubble wrap and tape) in your shipping fees. That way, you don't have to be concerned with the cost of the boxes. John At 01:15 PM 2/11/2009, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi folks! My thanks to everyone who suggested free USPS Priority boxes. I sell alot of cheap stuff, $5 to $10, and I ship much of it via USPS First Class. I can ship a couple of micromounts for half the cost of Priority shipping, so I am trying to find some small boxes suitable for First Class shipping. Plus, my online account at USPS somehow got corrupted and I can't login. And it won't let me reset my password. I need to call them on the phone to straighten it out. I like the little white die-cut boxes, but without buying several hundred of them, it's hard to get a good price. Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting stick?
If you use any of the epoxy adhesives that have iron powder as one of the ingredients, the glue will migrate to the poles of the magnet. I witnessed this myself when gluing some neodymium magnets to some wood dowels. Back about 10 years ago, Dave Andrews and I made a variety of magnetic canes for hunting meteorites. We used golf club shafts that can be bought at a thrift store for cheap. The longer woods shafts were the perfect length. If you want something shorter, you can shorten the driver shafts or simply use a shaft from an 8 or 9 iron. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:15 PM 1/28/2009, Pete Pete wrote: You can get two powerful rare earth magnets from each discarded hard drive, an old ski pole, epoxy or any of the GOOP adhesives, and some imagination. Cheers Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:45:25 -0800 From: aeromadn...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting stick? Can anyone recommend a good site on making a hunting stick and what magnet(s) I should use? From, Harry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The new Windows Live Messenger. You don't want to miss this. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/messenger.aspx __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] paypal for cash
Why make life so complicated? Pull cash out of your Paypal account and take the green to Tucson. I don't know anyone who would prefer Paypal (especially in the Tucson environment) over cash. This is just common sense. John At 07:59 AM 1/29/2009, steve arnold wrote: Hi all.I have a question.Is it easier to just use paypal for buying items in tucson or cash?I know it is the same thing,but I am wondering how easy it is to buy using paypal vs. cash.Would people who have the extra cash be willing to turn paypal money into cash.I need to know. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! a rel=nofollow target=_blank href=http://chicagometeorites.net/;http://chicagometeorites.net//a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ADS Cottingham
Cottingham, It IS an issue to Art, the owner of this List. Why not show some respect for HIS rules and follow them. John At 07:16 PM 1/28/2009, michael cottingham wrote: Hello, I also do not get it. I have been on this list for 10 years and I never once, have I cared about too many ads. I mean it really is a non- issue for most. Michael On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:14 PM, michael cottingham wrote: Do you really have nothing better to do? Enough. 99% of the people on the list- want ads, they want meteorites, they want to know what is for sale, they are busy and they want to be reminded. You have some tattle-tale like mentality. YOU can block my emails and then rest easy. Michael On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:02 PM, bill kies wrote: It sounds like you're counting now! Very good. You understand the concept of twice. That's a good start. I thought you could'nt count at all. I'm always happy to help. Maybe you should appoint one of us to count for you if you're too distracted to keep track of all these silly rules. Hello, Why don't you stop reposting my add over and over! I appreciate the extra exposure, but that is enough ads this week. I think between you and Greg, you have reposted me twice. Thanks, but that is even more than I care to do. Best Wishes _ Windows Live Hotmail® more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moroccan Infighting
Good comments Greg. This isn't too much different than what happened with some of the Russians several years ago. Trying to sell direct retail and still sell wholesale to dealers just doesn't work. Eventually, the market gets flooded and prices end up in the crapper. When the supply dries up in Morocco, all sorts of creative marketing will pop up. Someone has already mentioned the possibility of old unsold material being offered as new falls. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how this is all going to play out. Best, John At 06:37 PM 1/16/2009, Greg Hupe wrote: Dear List members, We all know that most of the Moroccan meteorite traders were ambitious in obtaining new material from the nomads of the Sahara and building close partnerships with meteorite dealers from the rest of the world. In the past few years they have been destroying the typically respected wholesale/retail relationship with their partners and have been striving the go direct to the collectors to squeeze every last nickel they could get, despite the repercussions. Moroccans can not (and will not) provide the guarantee, meteorite preparation and proper classification as most long-term meteorite dealers do. The funny part in all of this is that while going for broke and looking past their long-term partnerships, they have managed to scare away collectors because there is no trust and confidence in what the Moroccans say or do. In part, the skepticism is accurate and some is not. One thing is true, they have lost many long-term customers, the true bounty they will one day realize and regret! Now to the funny, but sad part... In their attempts to be a one-stop shop, we have witnessed today the Moroccans fighting with each other in public, on this List! This tells me, which I predicted a year ago amongst friends, that in the bad economy (and even in a good one) the Moroccans would start to back stab each other even worse than ever to get that last nickel. I would say it has backfired! It is looking like they are losing their best long-term customers and scaring away collectors. As times continue to be economically rough, I predict we will see more of these Moroccan street fights erupt on this List and at shows. Maybe I will bring a lawn chair and a big bag of popcorn to Tucson and watch the show! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Everyone in the meteorite community is affected in a negative way by people like Bob. By not speaking up it can appear that his disreputable and illegal behavior is condoned by his peers. Yes, that's right, his peers. Until you stand up and openly condemn this unacceptable behavior, that is what you and I are. Best, John At 10:04 AM 12/14/2008, Mike Miller wrote: I know this community is not set up as a democracy, but I as a list member feel that I am condoning bad conduct if it is allowed to take place in my community without a very loud voice against it. In this case I think there has been enough brought to light on the subject to remove the offending person. If we do not then we are saying let his voice be heard, and by allowing it in our midst we say (by our actions or lack of it) that his voice speaks the truth. I don't even know if Bob is still on this list, but I feel he should not be allowed to post if he is still here. So I will cast that vote that I really don't have and say Art please remove this very questionable seller of maybes. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, al mitterling alm...@kconline.com wrote: Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http
Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Re: Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
My observation concerning new falls IPO is simple - there are some folks that the new material and they want it now. They are willing to pay the higher price. Those who wait usually...and I emphasize usually will get it at a much lower price. The two keys are timing and some good luck. John At 07:32 PM 12/5/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I agree that this probably will sell for much lower in the future...well at least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the prices to come down later because a lot of it to comes on the market. But we should keep something else in mind here: I don't know how much TKW Sonny and McCartney personally found on their trip, but it is entirely possible that they simply don't want to sell much if any. Maybe they are thinking Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we will let them go. If no one wants them bad enough, they might just be happy to retain the ownership for the long haul. If they hold on, and later tons hit the market, maybe they will drop their asking price. If later the values go up, then maybe they will raise their prices. Just because they are asking a certain prices doesn't really mean that is what it is worth it to the rest of the world, maybe that is just what it is worth to them? Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorite.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Re: got what I needed - thanks
Naw...all you have to do is post regularly enough that the good folks get to know you and you'll be okay. But, you could go by Carl El Guapo and then you'd be unique. We used to have a problem here on the list with two different people named Steve Arnold. There was some confusion at first, but after a while, one of the Steves writing style and behavior made him easy to identify. Best, John Gwilliam...one of many Johns on the List. At 08:22 AM 11/4/2008, Carl 's wrote: Hello, I don't mean any disrespect to Carl E. or anyone on this list but to avoid confusion should I change my name to Carl the Newbie, Karl with a K, Carl the other or... Carlos? Michael Blood wrote: Thanks to all those who contacted me, I phoned the guy and believe I will no longer Be receiving his propaganda posts. Thanks for the help. Have a good and SANE voting day. Best wishes, Michael on 11/3/08 2:28 PM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been receiving multiple emails from one . These emails consist of offensive And often racist political fear focused propaganda. I have written this person asking who they are and Have gotten no response - the act of a coward in my book. I was wondering if anyone on the list recognizes This email address and knows who it is. If you do, would You please email me off list. I have had it with this. Thanks - and sorry for taking list time, but I THINK I have seen this email address before. Best wishes, Michael _ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Member Having Problems Posting
If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have been several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail to/from the Met List. Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting sporadic. Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days only to have it all show up several days later. Many emails that I posted to the List showed up in the Archives but I never received a copy in my Inbox. Bob Holmes and I found that we both had the same issues. After comparing notes, we discovered that the latest episode of no mail received happened to both of us on the same day at the same hour. Since we've been friends for many years, we knew that we were both customers of the server giant COX.net. Both of us made several phone calls to our server but got no results. Bob signed up with an email account supplied by a friends website and I signed up a gmail account as suggested by Art. We both now receive Met List posting regularly and on time. My old COX account will now sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam. The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated with COX and not with Art's server. I know in the past that many of you who were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating problems. I my humble opinion, the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail. Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our high tech world is fading rapidly. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day List It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem. I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to contact in regards to the problem. Thanks in advance, John L. Cabassi IMCA #2125 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Member Having Problems Posting
Thanks for the tip. Bob Holmes and I did just that with no results. What we found out was that our server (COX) required we send a copy of an email from EVERY MET LIST MEMBER and tell the server that it wasn't SPAM. Evidently, every Met List email is considered separate from the List itself. I just don't have the patience to spend hours and hour trying to fix a problem that didn't exist last year or even ten years ago. It was easier for me to subscribe to the Met List with a Gmail account. It, by the way, has worked fast and flawless. John At 10:35 AM 10/26/2008, Pete Pete wrote: Hi John and All, You wrote: the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail. That is easy enough to fix, too. Check your Junk Mail, and anything there that shouldn't be can be highlighted and marked: NOT JUNK (or similar). That would keep List mail out of there in the future. Cheers, Pete Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:16:08 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Member Having Problems Posting If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have been several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail to/from the Met List. Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting sporadic. Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days only to have it all show up several days later. Many emails that I posted to the List showed up in the Archives but I never received a copy in my Inbox. Bob Holmes and I found that we both had the same issues. After comparing notes, we discovered that the latest episode of no mail received happened to both of us on the same day at the same hour. Since we've been friends for many years, we knew that we were both customers of the server giant COX.net. Both of us made several phone calls to our server but got no results. Bob signed up with an email account supplied by a friends website and I signed up a gmail account as suggested by Art. We both now receive Met List posting regularly and on time. My old COX account will now sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam. The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated with COX and not with Art's server. I know in the past that many of you who were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating problems. I my humble opinion, the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail. Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our high tech world is fading rapidly. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day List It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem. I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to contact in regards to the problem. Thanks in advance, John L. Cabassi IMCA #2125 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock
We can point finger in all directions and blame a whole basket full of politicians, business leaders and everyone and anyone else. One thing we need to address ( in my uneducated opinion) is the over spending by the regular folks on Main street. It used to be people saved up enough money until they had a 20% down payment for a house and only used credit for other items like a vehicle (not two or three) and education. These days, many of us citizens make purchases on credit that we really can't afford. after all, why do we put thing on our credit cards? Because we don't have the cash. Optimistically, we always believe our financial outlook will be brighter in the future and we'll be able to pay off the credit card quickly. Sadly, it's that's usually not the case. Those of you who are my age (56) or older might remember the lay away plan that many department stores used to have. You went into the store every week or two and paid five or tens bucks on an item they were holding for you. When you paid for the item in full, they handed it to you and you had a brand new thing - a washer, dryer or bike for one of your kids. Nowdays, we put the thing on a credit card and by the time most of us get it paid off the thing is worn out or dead and gone. It's time for all of us to take a hard look at our spending habits...along with who we vote into office and how we use our money. Sure, we're in a big mess. But if everyone learns from this mistake we can all be doing better down the road weither it's in one year or five years. Best, John Gwilliam On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Captain Blood, Is the Bush fiasco you refer to the one started by the Democrats with their Community Reinvestment Act, aka the Lending Standards Reduction Act, or the one caused by the budgets that were passed by Congress, that august body that has half the approval rating of the President? Paul Swartz Hi Michael and all, No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales Are zero since the Bush fiasco has begun. More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends (howsabout others???) Best wishes, Michael [Blood] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites with over 60 autographs
Hello List Members, I'm offering a very unique one-of-a-kind book for sale. It's an autographed copy of The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites. What makes it very collectable and unique is that in addition to the autographes of the author and the cover artist, there are over 60 additional autographs on the last page and the inside back cover. These signatures were collected from some of the members of our meteorite community who were attending the 2005 Tucson Show. For more details on this offer, please vist the website link below. I will reply to serious inquiries at either this email address or my regular email address ( jkg2 at cox.net ) listed on the bottom of the webpage. http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/autographedbook.htm Best Regards and have a good weekend, John Gwilliam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Problems receiving mail
Have any other List members had problems receiving mail over the past two or three months? Sometimes I go a week or two without any mail from the List. I know the traffic is there because I can see activity in the archives. Anyone know what the problem is? John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 - video
Hello Moni and List, We decided several months ago to not produce a video for the 2004 show in Tucson. While we enjoyed the project last year, we found that our labor of love involved more time and money than we had anticipated. We spent most of our time filming, planning, rushing to meet appointments and doing the always required paperwork. There's an old saying, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. This applied to John and Bob too. We spent so much time working at last years show that we didn't have time for any fun or to simply relax. So, this year we've decided to attend as regular meteorite bums and enjoy the time with our friends. Best to all, John and Bob At 06:48 PM 1/13/04 -0800, moni waiblinger-seabridge wrote: Hi Bob Holmes and John Gwilliam and list, will there be a new video made this year at the show? I will have to wait until next year to visit Tucson, but i would really like to purchase another newly made video! I really enjoyed watching last years video and putting some names with their faces! :-) Please let me know if anyone has information on this, thank you, Moni _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What to do?
Tom, With the Tucson Show just three weeks away, I'd recommend taking it to Tucson and getting some opinions there. You can always send it in for classification later, can't you? Best, John Gwilliam At 01:55 PM 1/12/04 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, I got an offer to get an NWA classified, and need to send in about 10g's of the 54 gram speciman. My problem is, this meteorite is cut in two and has four polished surfaces. This meteorite has so many things going on in it, I can't figure out what to send. Seems like each surface shows something different and I would not want anything to be missed in it's classification. This is one neat meteorite, unlike anything I have seen. ( I have looked at thousands of pics). I figured, maybe I should just send the whole thing, but I really want to bring it to Tucson to get opinions on it. If I send it off now, I may not see it for a year or more, where is the fun in that? How do you all decide on what part to send in? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oldest Holbrook witness dies
Pauline Greer McCleve, the oldest person known to have personally witnessed the fall of the Holbrook, Arizona meteorite has died in Tempe, Arizona at the age of 108. In 1912 at the age of seventeen, Pauline was on the front porch of her family home when she saw the fireball approaching the small railroad town. During the few days after the fall, her fiance, father and uncle collected enough meteorites to earn more than a years wages apiece. Over the years, she was interviewed by a variety of meteorite scientists, collectors and enthusiasts and always enjoyed telling the story. It was quite a treat to hear her tell her tale. I personally interviewed her several times and she always maintained that the object she saw was a comet. Regards, John K.Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun (OT)
Good morning Marcia and List, I just made my first visit to Matteo's Idiot Proud Tom website and I have a few comments. I promise to be brief. 1. Anyone can copy someone else's gag. 2. What's funny in Italy must be entirely different that what's funny in the USA. Entertainment rating: Original Proudtom - 3/4 bag of popcorn Idiot Proudtom - just old maids. Eagerly looking forward to Tucson, John Gwilliam At 10:45 AM 1/7/04 -0600, Marcia Swanson wrote: Hi Randy, and List, C,mon now people. If we can dish it out, we have to be able to take it. Which I think most will. Man! When I stop to think about what a field-trip Proud Tom or Matteo could have with me, after some of my comments and uneducated blunders, phew!! I am glad I'm not worthy. If anyone had the reserve to not smile or laugh through Matteo's series of photo's, I will guarentee,that the last photo of Proud Tom's smiling visage, with tooth blacked out, got everybody. If you say that didn't make you smile? I will call you a liar to your face. It's called mirth (definition: social merriment) with a twist. As to the Marines? I may be wrong, but I took it to be another humorous, satyrical parrallel referring to we Americans, collectively, and the way we tend to view ourselves. Example: The Proud, the Few, the Best.the Marines. With a litttle Super Hero thrown in for flair! In other words We think we are all that, and a bag of.meteorites. Only Matteo can tell you himself, if this is how he meant it. Regards to All, Marcie Received: from smtpin-3115.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.225) by storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by smtpin-3115.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 1A1D2FE26; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F391537C2; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:14:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E2BC5535B8 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70104 invoked by uid 7111); 7 Jan 2004 14:13:31 - Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 70100 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 14:13:31 - Received: from bay2-f24.bay2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.247.24) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 14:13:31 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:13:00 -0800 Received: from 67.163.229.178 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:13:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.163.229.178] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2004 14:13:00.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B9C6490:01C3D528] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:13:00 -0800 X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Hello Matteo: I have read your funny parody of the Proud Tom Website. I think that the people that you have made fun of on your web page will view it with humor. Too bad that you must be so insecure that you do not have the same attitude. One thing puzzles me. Why do you continue to attack the Marines? Did the Marines attack you on this list? Do you feel insecure when you are around Marines and this is the way you react? Please let us all know why you hate the Marines. The Real Proud Tom is my Hero and Pultusk is my favorite meteorite. Randy Faries still the smiles and the struck ones This is the course of mine meat Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Toxic Minerals
Fred, Dave and List, Many people think that if they are wet polishing rocks, minerals and meteorites, they are not susceptible to the dangerous chemicals that may be found in specimen material. Not so. A water cooled lapidary unit for sanding and polishing puts a tremendous amount of the material you are working on into the air in your working environment. The finely atomized water carries the residual dust into the air and can disperse it farther that dry dust can travel. I know several people who cut and polish rocks and gemstones professionally and they all use high grade respirators when processing material. As mentioned previously, chemical can be readily absorbed through the skin with disastrous results. This includes ethanol, the alcohol used by many meteorite cutters to remove water from specimens. Use GOOD disposable gloves plus adequate eye and respiratory protection when you work. By the time you find out you have a problem, the damage is already done. Best, John Gwilliam At 08:49 PM 1/5/04 -0700, David Freeman wrote: Dear List members; I know from first hand account that even wet polishing malachite with bare hands for a couple of hours will make one very ill. Many toxic substances will enter the body through the unprotected skin. Absorption route of entry. Beware of all routes of entry, including dust that sits around the shop for a few weeks or months which still has the active toxins in it. Best, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fellow Meteorite Collectors, Before ingesting, or DRY polishing meteorites, fossils or minerals, keep this in mind: Mineral samples can be as dangerous as any chemical found in the chemistry laboratory. It only takes 0.3 grams of the mineral orpiment (Arsenic sulfide, can be found in Nevada, USA) to kill a 150 pound person. Around the same amount of arsenopyrite will be fatal. Realgar (another Arsenic sulfide) is similarly dangerous. Greenocite (cadmium sulfide) is very toxic if ingested, and inhalations can be as dangerous as ingestion. Poison fumes can be released by HEATING and by blowpipe lab testing. Minerals of antimony, nickel, barium, cadmium, lead, mercury, selenium and zinc are to be treated with care. Licking or tasting minerals in the field is as risky as tasting mushrooms in the field to see if they are poisonous. These include antimony, arsenic, barium, boron, cadmium, cobalt, iron, lead, mercury, nickel, selenium and zinc. Harmful effects are most likely if the mineral is soluble in water or stomach acid. Acute symptoms include dryness and burning of the nasal cavities, gastroenteritis, delirium (note Dave Freeman!) coma and death. The borax minerals, colemanite, kernite and sodium borate (borax) are assumed by many to be safe since they are used in laundry products. These cause several deaths a year (In the USA or worldwide? Article did not state.) as the borax is absorbed through cuts or through the skin. Three grams in the body of a child is sufficient to kill. (So don't try using a borax laundry soap for the kids bubble bath, unless you're tired of the little boogers!) Iron, especially ferrous sulfate (melamterite) can result in death from as little as 0.4 grams. (By the way guys, don't take your wife's Made for Women Vitamins and Minerals as men don't require near as much iron as women, and the extra iron in the daily vitamin has been known to cause health problems for men.) This is not a complete list, watch out when working with unknown minerals. Have A Safe and Happy New Year, Fred Hall, member of the Colorado Meteorite Society (COMETS) and the Colorado Mineral Society. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Still working on that $10.00 gallon of tequila from New Years, huh? John At 08:33 PM 1/3/04 +, Howard Wu wrote: Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is a oral record of space cows observed by aboriginals. Perhaps why cows are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia ago Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.) Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We still had hamburgers for dinner that night, he said. The odds of being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying of mad cow disease. Interestingly, there is some science behind the speculation that something like a prion protovirus may have been carried to the early Earth by a meteorite, since life on Earth seems to have developed within 400 Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, since there are also models for a rapid RNA world that might work. Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was not brought by a meteorite though, since it is too host-specific. Unless there are cows in space. Now that would make interesting meteorites. :) Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning
At 12:36 PM 12/30/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that.. I will know who is seen that I have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the data of who have put the images. Someone break the news to Matteo: Mussolini is dead. Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 I think the problem is that some people HAVE tried to break the news to Matteo. A deaf ear hears nothing. John Gwilliam
Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Didn't someone else already mention the dreaded knuckle-smacking rulers that emotionally damaged so many in their youth? It appears that one only needs mention the word nuns and the fear comes back to haunt the poor souls one more time. Personally, I'm looking forward to meeting the nuns if they're really going to Tucson. Best, John At 11:28 AM 12/29/03 -0800, Michael L Blood wrote: Marcie, WHAT ON EARTH do you think is going to happen here (or in Tucson) that would be such a disaster? They are just NUNS, for Pete's sake. Really, what is going on in your mind? Inquisitive folks want to know. RSVP Michael on 12/29/03 11:23 AM, Marcia Swanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell you what John. you 'd make one heck of a better 'on the scene, late breaking investigating news reporter, and comedian and strory-teller, with flair, than I do as a Goodwwill peace ambassador ! : )I wonder if Henry Kissenger ever had bad hair days, on tour duty? Of course he did, that's what made him go bald! If Proud Tom opens this keg, I think I may consider early retirement, at least on the Front Lines anyway, less chance of shrapnel. I know Steve thougt it was a joke, and I might have thought so too, if I hadn't known better. But he pratt-fell right into this one, by..being Steve. I didn't see his first post (Dec.26) till Dec.28, when I got back on-line, and was checking my mail., too late to stop the downhill snowball. Saw other members innocently joining in, what seemed to be a joke, and that's why I wrote him On-list, so they all would know the truth, before somebody would say something really whacked, and Matteo would pick up on it,and take offence, or it would be a situation at the Tucson show, with the Nuns. Kind of nip it in the bud, type situation? FORGOT about Proud Tom., lurking somewhere out there between the inner mind and the Outer Limits. End of Story? We'll see. Best Regards, Marcie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:04 AM To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Possible Proud Tom Headline: NUN WANTS TO SAVE METEORITE FROM BREAKUP!! storyline: Sister Mary Meteorite, an avid collector from Georgia, comes to the rescue of the Humpty Dumpty puzzle stone by threatening famous Nevada meteorite dealer Steve Arnold(not-IMB) with eternal damnation if he to didn't put back it back together for good. Steve's immediate response was typical: Does anybody want to trade, buy or sell something, anything?. Steve's Next day Rebuttal Comment to the List: Leave me alone Sister Mary, remember I said I was in it for the Science...and I know the Big Guy will understand, my wanting to share and all. And don't call me Bart. What will happen next??? Cheers, Feverish John PS Tom, please respond to my request to be on the staff. I've got better material I'm sure. This all sounds like fabulous fodder for PROUD TOM. I can hardly wait.. Michael on 12/28/03 9:50 AM, Marcia Swanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, Firstly, hope you had a great Christmas. Secondly, I was really dissapointed, that having left town for Christmas, I missed probably, a chance I may not get again, that being, your trip to Kenosha ( my home town), on the 27th. I really wanted to meet you, and hear your stories about Park Forest, ect. !! Hope you come to visit your friend here again., Were you able to set anything up with anyone else from around here? I was really dissapointed at not being able to have been there. Thirdly, the Nun Story, was for real. Matteo is indirectly involved, in that, she is a member of his new Real Meteorite List, website, that he started. I haven't posted to this site yet, but I do get it, over the web. His 9 or 10, and growing, new members, include her, and yes, she ( at least from what I've read) is a legitimate Nun. FOR REAL, Steve! There are also others on his list, that include people who are also meteorite buyers/collectors, in this country, who may, but probably haven't , either accessed our site, or have, heard of it, and DO plan on coming to Tucson. It is open to all Meteorite entusiasts, right? She is also a legimate meteorite collector. More than that, I can't add, because, as I said, I haven't posted to the List, or talked to any of them privately. Thought I'd let you know. Hope your New Year, brings you another Great Fall, like you mentioned. Have a good one. Best Regards, Marcie From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUN order from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Good morning Jose and List, Jose, you must be referring to the 1970 Clint Eastwood movie, Two Mules for Sister Sara with Shirley MacLaine. Maybe the two mules have now become seven due to inflation. Best, John At 01:30 PM 12/27/03 +, Jose Campos wrote: Hey, Steve from Chicago! Do like Clint Easwood did in SEVEN MULES FOR SISTER SARAH! Are they a bunch of 7 nuns?? Send them to Tucson riding mules - an on their way back, have the mules loaded with METEORITES of all kinds - including some meteorwrongs! After all that foul language seen on the List a while ago, we might need the nuns to monitor this list... I hope you and all in the List - including de nuns - had a super Xmas! José Campos - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUN order from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the meteorite list and thought it would be cool to go to tucson next year.But what is so weird is that want to know if they can go with me.Well as you all know I have round trip airfair there and back.NO ROOM FOR ANYONE!!They thought that I sound like a fun guy and that I could show them the sites and sounds of tucson.What do you think list should I show them all the sites and sounds of tucson???They are going to have to get there on thier own.Maybe they could ask the FLYING NUN to come out of retirement and they could all fly AIRGOD.Well this is one of the most bizarre emails I have ever gotten.Comments of any kind would be welcome.Even proud tom can't top this one.Hey I was thinking, I don't think even MATTEO could top it either.Matteo and proud tom???Nah! It could never be! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holiday Wishes
Hello Meteorite List, I hope all of you have a happy and memorable holiday no matter which way you choose to celebrate it. And for those of you that still believe in Santa...I hope that the big, black thing in the toe of your stocking is a new achondrite and not a lump of coal. Warm Wishes to All, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TRY THIS !!!!!!
Sound like you mixed a little locoweed in with your regular bong fodder. John At 11:02 PM 12/21/03 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, You should try this it is so cool. I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half back an hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). When I went out side there was almost a continuous stream of meteors!!! I was able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi) clocks in the house while simultaneously microwaving ice cubes. There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA # __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bad Language...Thanks for the test
At 09:41 AM 12/16/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well...I had a real test on aol's spam control, from the recent thread that Matteo started. The one that contained a naughty word or two. I usually check just for grins those messages that ended up in my spam box before deleting them enmasse. I noticed several from the meteorite list. Thought there was some kind of error until I opened a couple...Looks like the spam control is actually working. I'm really considering adding the word Matteo to the word list. This will filter any messages out that contains it. Maybe add a couple more words and then Presto...most of the bull will be eliminated no matter who sends it. :o) GeoZay This could very well be the perfect solution to a problem that has plagued this list since day one. If everyone were to filter out the whiners, fighters, crybabies and seller posting the same or similar offer five or six times a week, no one would have to actually see or read their posts. The offending senders would still be able to see their posts show up on the list without knowing that no one else was receiving them. They would feel empowered and fulfilled without ever knowing that the rest of the list wasn't watching and reading their garbage. The only flaw I see in this is that Art would have to continue to deal with all the wasted bandwidth. I apologize for another off topic comment. Food for thought, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the 2nd person to sell orrissa
Yes, some of us can see that. But, he sent it to you privately and YOU'RE the one that made it a public post. Don't pass on your garbage to the rest of us...please! John At 10:28 PM 12/15/03 -0800, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Anne this is used from Steve Arnold, not from me... Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/15/2003 8:26:55 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and this is the nice email sent from the good steve arnold to my second email of ebay: FUCK YOU MATTEO VERY bad language! Do NOT use in public. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356 = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stone cairns on dry lakes
A quick correction to my own mistake before someone else points it out. I came into possession of the letter three or four years ago...it wasn't written then. Best, John At 01:33 PM 12/14/03 -0700, John Gwilliam wrote: Three or four years ago, a letter written by H.H. Nininger himself told the story about the recovery of the Clover Springs, Arizona mesosiderite. In the letter, he stated that the original finder, a cowboy from Strawberry and Camp Verde, had marked the location with a rock cairn. During our trips to the area to hunt form more of the meteorite; Dave Andrews, John Blennert and I must have found thirty or more cairns. Although we didn't find any more of the meteorite, it was always exciting to walk through the forest and come upon one of these stone monuments. Maybe we'll get luck next time. Best, John At 11:43 PM 12/13/03 -0800, Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Charlie and List, I wonder, if in some far distant future, an archaeologist will write a thesis on The stone cairns of Roach and other dry lakes of the Far West: towards a solution. :-) You're on to me! While I admit to a certain altruism for helping my fellow meteorite hunters by piling up all the offending rocks, my subconscious plan all along has been to build a sort of Kilroy was here legacy with all these cairns. Hard not to be motivated to leave some lasting calling card when you find so many Native American artifacts while searching for meteorites. Unfortunately, Mother Nature does not share my enthusiasm for tagging: it is amazing how quickly these cairns get scattered by water and wind. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Illinois field report
Go to your local Home Depot. In the paint section, they carry a variety of solvents. See if they carry a product called Stone Meteorite Degreaser. I can't tell you the brand name, but the folks at Home Depot might be able to help you. John At 04:32 AM 12/15/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well folks, It was pretty chilly in PK today so I wore my chainmail underwear under my kevlar armour. My riot helmet is specially equipped to keep out stupid things, police calls, boom box music, complaining locals and such. As I lumbered around in all that gear I wanted a breath of fresh air but an instant before I made the mistake of opening my helmet I took a few rounds of sniper fire. Only a flesh wound so I pressed on. Lo and behold! There in the middle of a pothole in the Burger King lot was a 67 gram specimen!! It seems that grease from their grease recycling dumpster covered it right after the fall. No weathering etc. How the heck to I remove the grease? Is this rock permanently and utterly ruined? Oops, I revealed the location of the find prior to a more thorough investigation...darn. Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
If my memory is correct, those piles of stones on Roach Dry Lake were created by Paul Gessler while playing his Golf Gun game and hunting for meteorites. Ivanpah, the dry lake just to the south of Roach, is the one most often used for a race track. Best, John At 05:54 AM 12/13/03 -0800, Mark Jackson wrote: Rob and List, I did notice the whole team was getting much better at rejecting the pillow lavas at increasing distance as time progressed. The light absorbing nature of lava can help but I cautioned the group not to wholesale reject non-reflecting black rocks because a brand new crust can be dull in appearance; I handed example end cuts of reflecting (wind polished?) and non-reflecting crust to each member and encouraged them at first to stop often and look at them, even place them on the ground to gauge contrast. Eventually they handed them back saying they no longer needed them (I never got that comfortable, I still keep mine handy). We found we were getting some false returns (just until getting real close) from lava with elongated, yet thin vescicles as they reflect light differently; almost a shine. It was rather interesting searching Roach as the locals apparently use it as a speed track. To that end, it seems they sweep the track for rocks like the Navy used to sweep for FOD (Foreign Objects of Destruction) on the flight decks. So we adapted to searching for thier sweep piles to examine them for possibles . . . no luck of course but it was fun trying (100 mph in a Cavalier wagon with an X-Cargo on top!) . . . we stopped traffic on I-15. :-) . . . j/k Thanks for the good words Rob; you guys set the standard out here and reading of your searches and Bob's were a good part of my inspiration for attempting it. Thanks! Mark Jackson Chaosity Meteoritics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing
Re: [meteorite-list] Greg and Adam?
They posted to the list a while back that they were going on an expedition and wouldn't be available until around Christmas sometime. John At 07:09 PM 12/11/03 +0100, Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: Are they gone? I try to get in touch with them for more than 10 days now? Do you know if they are away? Bernhard
Re: [meteorite-list] corrosion and air purifiers
I checked into the same filters Tracy is talking about here. They are very sensitive and the manufacturers generally don't tell you that they need cleaning more than they claim. For example, If you burn a candle in the same room as one of these filters, you must clean the charged plates every time you use the candle, not once-a-day, but every time you use a candle. John At 06:23 PM 12/1/03 +, tracy latimer wrote: I don't know what effect, if any, ionized air will have on your meteorites' rust, but according to Consumer Reports, the filters that claim to clean air by running it past a series of charged plates don't work for beans (no filters, wipe off collectors every few months, Sharper-Image Quadra-filter type) Nice concept, but you remove 90% more crap from your air by running it through an old-fashioned mechanical HEPA filter. Tracy Latimer From: Stephen McMann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] corrosion and air purifiers Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:29:32 -0600 _ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es X-Message-Info: zVLtYL4Cdkmy3frVJGaK/q0zWymYN2WtyAMySiMfXGY= Received: from mc6-f25.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.161]) by mc6-s19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:50:15 -0800 Received: from pairlist.net ([216.92.1.92]) by mc6-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:49:05 -0800 Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5D653740; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:46:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B02153609 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16960 invoked by uid 7111); 30 Nov 2003 19:29:34 - Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 16957 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2003 19:29:34 - Received: from law9-f44.law9.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.44) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2003 19:29:34 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:29:33 -0800 Received: from 66.76.117.43 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:29:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.76.117.43] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stephen McMann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2003 19:29:33.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[487B1410:01C3B778] Subject: [meteorite-list] corrosion and air purifiers Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:29:32 -0600 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, I have a question for anyone who knows their chemistry better than I do. My wife and I are thinking of purchasing an air purifier for removing dust, allergens etc. from our home. Some of these purifiers emit negative ions into the air (e.g. the Holmes Harmony Ionizing air Purifier, available at your local Walmart). Does this affect the risk/rate of corrosion for any meteorites in the same room? We keep our meteorites in plexiglass containers with dessicant and VCI paper to help protect against things such as moisture and dustballs full of Cl- ions. However, the ambient air does get into them. Sincerely, Stephen McMann Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re:Identity of Proud Tom - REMOVE ME FROM LIST
At Randy's request, I'm posting this message to the entire list. Randy, You have to unsubscribe yourself - no one else can do it for you. Look at the upper section of every email you've even received from the list, and there is a link to unsubscribe. John Gwilliam At 05:07 PM 12/11/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again…this is my second request to be removed from this list. The first initial shots were actually entertaining. Now, it’s a pissing contest across the ocean. A number of people have posted stating how senseless this debate has become. Still, the debate rages on, and no one will let it die. I previously requested removal from this list about a year ago because of the same type of nonsense. Then, it seemed that the list once again became a forum for meteorite and tektite discussion. Now, it once again has reverted to a forum for name calling, and childish dribble. Posts commenting on the Proud Tom website were (at first) fine. It was the petty arguing that has since followed. Take it to private, off-list e-mails. Please remove me from this list, and for the sake of others out there who either: 1) won’t list because of the fear of causing MORE useless posts; or 2) just don’t “have the stones” (pardon the pun)...just KNOCK IT OFF. By the way, any e-mails addressing my comments should be posted to the list for all to see. While folks are finding new and unique ways to fill e-mail boxes, you might as well begin new non-meteorite debates with the above comments. Congrats gentleman, your waste posts have just managed to create another waste post in response. That’s something to be proud of. Randy in N.O. signing off…
[meteorite-list] Re: Mojave winds
At 05:46 PM 12/11/03 -0800, Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Dave and List, On a different note, the town of Mohave experienced 81 mile an hour winds today, so does that transfer to new exposed meteorites on the dry lake beds there? Mobilize the troops! I hope the wind dies down by tomorrow as I'm supposed to be out at Goldstone tracking station getting a tour of the place by a long-time user of my satellite tracking software. I hope to combine the trip with a visit to one or two dry lakes in the area, so perhaps the combination of summer/fall rains and recent high winds will have uncovered a new meteorite or two. --Rob Good luck to you Rob. Wish I was going with you instead of helping to cater an office party. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Tucson Show 2004
Hello All, Since many of you are bored with the recent enthusiasm over the Proudtom issue, I'd like to get things moving back in the general direction of meteorites. So, here it is. Who is going to attend the up coming Tucson Show? I'm looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting those of you that I haven't met in person. I'll be there for all three weekends and probably off and on during the week as well. If you walk up to me in Tucson and say, I'm not Proudtom and I want a beer, I'll be more than happy to buy you one of your favorite brews. This is a one time offer, so Jensen Brothers take notice;-) Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crust vs desert varnish?
JD, Many of the meteorites found in desert environments have been subjected to sand blasting for many years. This can alter the fusion crust to different degrees depending on time and conditions. I've seen many meteorites from the NWA region that have had most if not all of the fusion crust removed by the erosive effects of wind and sand. Others have just been polished by this effect and still have some fusion crust remaining even though the surface may be shiny as you mentioned. Desert varnish can also make it hard to make an accurate determination about the amount of remaining fusion crust. The only way I know of is to cut a window that is at or near a right angle to an uncut surface of the meteorite. A close look under magnification will show whether or not there is any fusion crust there. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:42 AM 12/10/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I look at some of photos of the hot desert NWA meteorite Ebay auctions, I can't tell if the nice looking blackish brown coating on the individual meteorites is fusion crust or just desert varnish with probably little or no fusion crust remaining. Advice please on helping this novice collector determine the difference. Shiny appearance = desert varnish? thanks, jd cowsar __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back!
Please DO hold your breath...for about 15 minutes. John Gwilliam PO Box 26954 Tempe, AZ 85282 At 03:18 PM 12/8/03 -0500, Jim Strope wrote: Don't hold your breath. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom is Back! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you like many this joke, send to me a your photo and a build for you a similar Tom Idiot site therefore then you laugh of taste Matteo, I am sending you a photo momentarily. I look forward to the comedy-website you will produce. Please let us all know when it is ready. Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403
Re: [meteorite-list] Poor humour alert (OT)
You forgot the part where we killed all the indians. At 05:10 PM 11/18/03 +1000, chris sharp wrote: The posse had assembled, hats low over their brows, for no one wanted to be seen as the one who had done the deed. The Cuckoo Gang from Fairyland had assembled you see, to get that blasted Italian who had caused such misery. Their fearless leader lay low in Tucson, wounded he was you see by that fearsome giant Italian from the Mediteranean Sea. A lone voice rose up, enough, this isn't funny, you're a bunch of bullies hounding just one Eytie. Astounded, they pounded, their fingers to the keys, whose this little Aussie bleeder criticizing the land of the free? Bulldust they roared the blood rushing to their heads, we'll jump through hoops to prove our superiority. A few lone voices rose up, why pound the poor blokes into the dust? But the gang rolled on, not a shred of decency. No stopping the Cuckoo Gang from Fairyland in the land of the free. Sunday came and went, no rest there was to be. For the job was to be done, until no dissenters there were to be. It WAS funny, you see! No honesty, no decency, no holds were barred, the Gang knew they had them on the ropes. No mercy you see. That dangerous Italian was going places we all hope we'll never see. And when the dust was settled, and light began to shine, That little bloody Aussie thought he'd try for a laugh, just to see if the Cuckoo Gang from Fairyland had a sense of humour. We'll see. chris sharp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] etching?
Are you perhaps referring to water glass - a product that was used to coat eggs to extend preservation? John At 03:23 PM 11/17/03 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello everyone, Has anyone ever tried (or even heard of ) Liquid Glass on a meteorite slice? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]harlan trammell To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] etching? very interesting- if you polish a skyrock with a soft lap , the pattern is often visible From: william anderson To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] al.com Subject: [meteorite-list] etching? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:08:28 -0800 (PST) Just had a bizarre thought that I have no answer to. Has anyone ever tried bringing out the widmanstatten pattern with a chemical free etch? I was remembering a fellow who liked to frost the busts of coins using a scaled down sandblasting outfit. He would mask the unetched areas with rubber cement. However if the taenite and kamacite have different hardnesses, the etch would be differential, so the pattern would emerge, and would happen without much fuss? Who knows what it would look like, but the visual desirability of an chemical etch might just be borne of no other alternatives. At the least there would be no great need for neutralizing the chems away. Just a random thought. Nice day to you all. Bill Anderson __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS=Customize MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot?
Matteo, This ongoing childish behavior of yours is what created your problems in the first place. Steve Arnold didn't like what he saw on the Proudtom website either, but he got over it and acted like a man. Same with Tom Knudsen - no whining, no threats, no chest pounding, no tear-stained cheeks..nada! What do you think is going to happen when you paint a big red target on your chest? Somebody's going to take a shot at you just like the author of Proudtom did. Now drop the subject and get over it...otherwise there will probably be a Chapter Two show up on the website you told all of us about. Best, John At 10:37 AM 11/15/03 -0800, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: It is not power, is law! I would want to see if they used your photographies without to ask if is possible use this, or take always written from your site without to insert from where come. An account is to make it with friends, an account instead with disowned that for reached they are amused to defame the persons. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the show of power. I will call it Matteo's Iron Hammer. Please do not close my site. I beg of you oh mighty smiter of evil websites. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? A lot probably you do not know that Internet does not have frontiers,if I want I can make close a foreign countries site without problems, I have already made it, therefore before speaking it counts until 10, and then it recounts. Moreover there is the violation of copyright and also the defamation. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Punishable by law to poke fun at someone? I did not know that Italy was returning to it's fascists roots. The website was likely made in America, and here you can poke fun at anyone you want, and they can return the favor to you. One of our basic principles is freedom of speech, when that is removed, you have places like Iraq, Iran, Yugoslavia etc, where saying the wrong thing about those with power makes you end up in an unmarked mass grave. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? In fact they have been informed through private email, otherwise I did not know of its existence. Therefore I have written to the list if someone had information care this idiot, why I do not if from you the defamation exists, here it exists and he is punibile for law. However slowly slowly I am arriving to who has produced it beyond to have already contacted the responsibles who sell this space web. regards Matteo --- Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question I have is how Matteo came upon this site. He is the one who brought it to the list. Without his 'announcement', I'm not sure I ever would have seen it. Bob Holmes www.meteoritebiz.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? Must admit it was a bit funny but keep in mind it also breaches Copyright Law and probably cause for defamation. Jeff - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:46 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? To all, Since having seen this, I too must agree with Chris Sharpe casper @cooloola.net. I have not personally met these people, but I only know them through communications on the net. This kind of humor I think crosses the line in my thinking. None of the people represented are public figures... How they take it depends on them I suppose... They might take it lightly and laugh, but then again, the site does not go away, it is there as long as one cares to visit... They can even copy it and spread the lampoon around... And when does the laughter turn into offense and ridicule? When Chris wrote: I just want to say that I was extremely upset at this web site. It smacks of bullying and the worst sort of arrogance and is the sort of thing that
[meteorite-list] Meteorites, Microscopes and Video cameras
Hello List, Has anyone had experience using a video camera attached to a microscope? I want to shoot some video footage of thin sections with an MBC 10 and one of Jim Tobin's polarizer. Thanks in advance for any info. Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comedy site continued
I must concure - thanks to Matteo for bringing this to our attention. Is it just me, or does Gold Basin #15 exhibit some orientation? I think I can see a distinct roll-over lip on one of the visible edges. Best, John At 10:22 PM 11/13/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo: Sorry - with all due respect, it has been a very stressful day at work and this was exactly what I needed before going home. One of the funniest sites I've seen. Matteo, thanks for bringing it to our attention. Dave I feel sorry for whoever bought that 5 gram Pultusk for 10 times the value. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comedy site continued I have sold time ago the Tessera main mass of 5+ gr. and the Tessera 1 is a piece in my collection and another in the Bologna Museum regards Matteo --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, Sorry, I thought this was brilliant! http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html I would think that we will never know the creator of this site but I know I d like to shake his or her hand! ps Anyone got any Tessera for sale? Don't recall seeing this one on the list recently I'll trade for some New Orleans (sorry Mike F. for the mention) Bring it on I say, if we cannot laugh at ourselves then who shall we laugh at? Apart from those featured on that website, that is dave The most immature member of the IMCA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Korra Korrabes
There are a couple of things you might not know about Korra Korrabes. First, there are two different grades of it that were collected. The very weathered specimens are missing much of the iron due to weathering. Fresher and better preserved specimens have less weathering and fracturing and more intact metal. Second, KK is one of those meteorites that loses much of it's detail when highly polished and viewed with the naked eye. These specimens are best viewed under well-light magnification. To make the details of the specimen more visible to the naked eye, hand sand the specimen with silicon carbide paper in 220 grit or coarser range. Selma is another meteorite that exhibits this same characteristic. When highly polished, it looks nearly black and featureless. But, when prepared properly it shows a lot of chondrules. Best, John At 09:59 PM 11/12/03 +, Dave Harris wrote: Hi, Last night Mark Ford and I and an enjoyable evening going thru his new acquisitions - the one that caused the most confusion was the Korra Korrabes specimen - an H3. Well, we looked at it, compared it to other H3s, also to the Ghubara, and we found it difficult to see how this is an H3. We are obviously missing a critical issue here, because the chondrules were scant, and indistinct, in fact my Ghub, at an L6 had more structure visible. It was a very dark matrix too, whereas a lot of H3s have a light matrix (ie Parnallee) How and why is KK an H3 - the native iron was sparse, and the chondrules largely invisible. So, how come it's an H3? inquisitively, Dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain
Steve and List, Three or four years ago, Ivan Koutyrev and I were sitting at John Blennert's kitchen table talking about the possibilities of recovering some of the Marjalati specimens that had been seen to fall into the lake. According to Ivan, he had a very reliable source of information about a large individual that fell into the water not far from shore. Since Ivan was confident that he knew the location pretty well, I suggested a large rare earth magnet attached to a long aluminum or plastic pole. Ivan shook his head repeatedly and said it was a bad idea. Finally,he drew me a picture. It showed the surface of the water with a boat floating on it, a stick man with a long pole, and the bottom of the lake. Along the bottom he had drawn several bombs! Later, Ivan and his intrepid partner, Vladimir, made a trip to the lake with some ancient scuba gear. Since neither of then had any experience with diving, Ivan decide to stay in the boat and let Vladimir do the diving(the brains of the operation '-)). Vladimir put on the gear, tied a rope to himself and went into the water carrying a waterproof metal detector. I wish I could have seen pictures of this diving equipment they used. There are several experienced divers on the list including Gregory Wilson, Dean Bessey and myself, and we all know that diving with questionable, old equipment is courting disaster. All of my diving was done with the aid of a computer that told me how long I'd been down, how much air I had left, and how much longer I could dive that day without risking getting bent. Getting bent, or the bends is the result of staying submerged too long and absorbing nitrogen into your bloodstream. When you come to the surface, the nitrogen molecules expand causing extreme pain and sometimes even death. Vladimir's air tank didn't even have a pressure gauge on it - he had no way of knowing when he was running low on air. His first clue that he was out of air was when he tried to take a breath and nothing happened. Up on top, Ivan had been watching the regular plume of bubbles coming to the surface. After a while he noticed the bubbles had stopped. Pulling on the rope brought a blue-faced Vladimir to the surface where he gasped for air for quite some time before he was strong enough to climb into the boat. No, they didn't find any of the illusive pallasite...but oh...what an adventure! Best, John Gwilliam At 08:03 AM 11/3/03 -0800, Steve Schoner wrote: Harlan and all. Marjahlati does have fusion crust, but it is much blacker than what I have seen on Glorieta. The main mass of Marjahlati was broken on impact and the main piece sat outside of the Russian Academy for years and was picked at for its olivine crystals. These crystals were used as a standard for olivine, at least that is what I was told. Now, Marjahlati has two types of olivine. Gem quality and the powder type, like Imilac. The two meteorites, though different isotopic ally appear to be structurally related. For years, the powdered olivines of Imilac were interpreted as weathered olivine I don't think so, I think that though weathering has occurred the structure of Marjahlati does have similar shattered olivines. These in flight and breakup often get scooped out so that pieces fall that have no olivine remaining. In the case of Marjahlati it was reported that the main mass, the only one recovered, fell on a granite outcrop and was shattered, but hoards of people that were bathing on the lake shore reported that the water off shore was peppered with numerous splashes from falling meteorites. Who knows how many pallasites are on the lake bottom But the problem now is that that lake was the site of major battles during WWII. There could be huge numbers of shells and bombs there now, as during the war, I think that the lake was a route for supplies to bolster Leningrad. It was bombed repeatedly by the NAZI's during the months that the ice was thick enough to allow the supply lines to go over it. So, if this is true... I would not venture to search for meteorites there. As for the olivine, in pallasites, I have noticed, especially with Glorieta that if they develop a crust it is usually black from the melt of the iron that surrounds them. I have not seen any olivines with their own unique fusion crust. It could be that they simply fracture under heat, until nothing is left. Nininger noted that in Glorieta the thumbprints were often the size of olivines, and that many of the small irons have these thumbprints See: http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey/GLORIETA.htmlhttp://ww w.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey/GLORIETA.html These thumbprints were according to Nininger, the result of the olivine being stripped out of the iron during the final phases of the flight. So where is that olivine now... It is most likely scattered all over the strewnfield in small grains
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary)
List Members, I've been sitting back quietly watching this thread get over-baked over the past few days and finally decided I'd step in a make a comment. In his remarks, Jamie talks about his potential right to publish data that is extracted from publicly available documents. Personally, I believe that with this right comes a lot of responsibility. For example, did you know that if you've ever been a party in a divorce, arrested and charged with a crime, or been to Tax Court, the written records of those proceedings are public information? That is, unless the judge in the case sealed the records, which is rarely done. That means that I, or someone else, could access all court records involving Meteorite List members throughout the United States and publish those findings. Now wouldn't that be lovely? We'd know who the drunk drivers and the wife beaters were and we could sit in our chairs and snicker about all the nasty accusations that are part of every divorce trial. No thanks, I don't need to see it...even if it is publicly available information. You see, there is no beneficial value in doing so. Rather, it sounds like a good way to loose a bunch of friends to me. I don't see any real value to compiling information about Ebay sellers and purchasers either. Sure, you can figure out what's been selling well and what hasn't, and you can find out who has been spending the most money on meteorites lately...so what? Do you contact these buyers and offer to sell them more meteorites? I'm pretty sure that would be a violation of Ebay rules. How many list members are forty-hour-a-week Meteorite Market Analists anyway? Someone else mentioned something about getting a life. I vote for that. Best to all...but tired of the thread, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocket Launch contrail
Bob and List, Over the past several years, I've also witnessed rocket launch contrails from Vandenburg. Most were seen while in Costal Mexico, and the corkscrew effect caused by high level winds makes for a magnificent display. Us folks here in Arizona are also treated to occasional early morning launches from the White Sands Range in New Mexico. These pre-dawn trails are high enough that they catch the light from the sun and the orange worm trails in our still dark sky are quite spectacular. Like Bob, I never seem to have my digital camera ready, although, they do announce some of the White Sands launches in advance. Best, John Gwilliam At 09:36 AM 10/18/03 -0700, Robert Verish wrote: Good Morning from Pasadena, Just now observed the lingering contrail of a launch all the way over at Vandenberg CA. The way that this rocket exhaust twisted and was distorted by the atmosphere at that high altitude reminded me of our discussion about debris trails from fireballs. Definitely different from all the jet airliner contrails that were in the sky at the same time. By the time I found my digital camera, it had dissapated too much to show the distinctive twisting. I should check the launch schedule (if it isn't classified info) and be better prepared the next time. Bob V. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kelly LL4
Good Morning All, I'm looking for a piece of the stone (LL4) meteorite Kelly from Colorado. If you have any available, please reply to me off list. Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nitric acid disposal
Hello All, Thanks to Dave Freeman for the acid disposal idea. Here are a few more ideas. It is very important that you dilute the acid with LOTS of water, a ratio of 10 parts water to 1 part acid might be a good place to start. The more water you use, the better. If you add baking soda to undiluted acid, you will get a near explosive reaction, so MAKE SURE you dilute the acid with enough water. In addition to wearing eye protection, wear rubber gloves, old shoes and old long pants. In the event you spill some of the acid solution, you don't want to ruin your clothes. A rubberized or plastic apron like the ones sold at lapidary stores is a good idea too. Another thing. Don't dump an entire container of the baking soda into your acid solution all at once. Add a little bit at a time to give you an idea of how much the combination will react and expand. Best, John Gwiliam At 01:26 PM 10/17/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote: Dear Harlan, List; One can dilute acids with baking soda. Always wear eye protection and glasses, and do it in a well ventilated space, or better yet, out of doors. One of my favorite environmental phrases is the solution to polution is dilution which in this casewell, my muratic acid for cleaning the calache off my petrified wood, etc, is encouraged by the local city admin. guy as it helps clean the nasty alkaline deposits off the sewer pipes. Our water, as is most water in the western US has hard stuff in it that gets disolved by a little acid now and then. dilute the water with acid, and add baking soda, done deal. Check with a ph strip, and flush. Dave F. harlan trammell wrote: call a local college and ask their chemistry department head what THEY do w/ used up lab chemicals. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] nitric acid disposal Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:03:36 EDT A while back I thought I'd try my hand at doing some iron-etching. After a few less than impressive attempts, and with the increasing realization that nitric acid is tremendously nasty stuff, I'm now wanting to get rid of the (almost) gallon I have. My local city Household Hazmat Disposal Center won't deal with it, as it's not household waste, and the Business Hazmat Disposal Center won't deal with it because I'm not a business. I'm wondering if I could carefully effect some sort of dilution-process and dispose of it myself, and I welcome any advice or suggestions, on-list or off. Thanx Gregory Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS= __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Mike, Thanks for making the effort to post a report of your adventure in India. News like yours makes wading through the garbage on the Meteorite List worth the effort. and Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, John Gwilliam At 09:52 AM 10/10/03 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: Good evening everyone, it is 10 pm here in Bhubaneswar India. another rainy day, more flooding, lots of problems. I went back to Kendrapara today, and was able to break through the absolutely hopeless Indian beurocracy and see the meteorites. I had to go to their version of a state or city hall, the place in charge of the surrounding area. They are working on the flood emergency, and told me that over 1000 villages are submerged and so many people dead, interestingly the Indian Government only reports 17 dead, and according to the locals, it is in the hundreds. Anyway, after alot of talking, explaining who I was and liberal if not quite true use of the word University, and making formal request letters to see and photograph the stones, the convened a meeting, made alot of phone calls, and just at dark I finally got authorization to go to the finance department and open the vault and play with the meteorites. The two stones they still have here are 5.7 kilos and a 500 gram fragment. They are stored in a large metal lock box, sealed with cord and then sealed with a wax stamp to avoid tampering. They do not really know what they are, and with the government people all demanding the stones, they have refused to release them to anyone since they do not understand who they belong to. It seems that the local and federal government are about to fight over them. I got to fully examine them, and took about 40 photos, but since the sun had set and they had one tiny light in the building, I dont know how well they will come out. The large stone was very nicely regmaglypted, but one side was broken off, and already very badly weathered only two weeks after the fall. The wet climate takes it's toll on meteorites fast. The other piece was from another stone which the villagers had broken up, and the other pieces have all been taken already. It is a breccia, like I said nice slickensides, i could not see many chondrules, but clearly an H chondrite. There is no possibility of any acquisition of these pieces, they made a special file just for me that I opened the box and examined the stone. It seems that in India, a file is made for even the slightest thing, as I said, just to see the stones I had to make a formal letter, get it signed by about 20 people, and authorized by countless more by telephone. The local government people were absolutely fascinated though. they asked me so many questions, and one of them thought that this was the first time in history that a stone had fallen from space, hence the reluctance to even show them. They were all afraid of radiation or viruses, and all did not understand why the stone burned. I explained the super high velocity is the cause of the fireball and burning, but they could not comprehend a stone burning because it was moving so fast. there was also an armed guard there while I opened the box! I was reported to the police by the cheif of the Suniti village, where the large stone fell, he wanted me to give him money yesterday so that he could get me a stone, I refused so I guess he called the state police today and reported me stealing a large stone, the police were surprised when I showed up at the station today, as I could only be the American who was to be arrested on sight. Of course they laughed it off, I did not find it quite as ammusing. Overall, even though the extreme beurocracy is what seems to stifle the Indian government, they were all very nice and just wanted to cover their own butts as it was explained to me. I doubt I will get any other pieces, so tomorrow is a tourism day, beach and temples. I saw alot of very tame monkeys today, ad even fed a few some bananas from on top of my head! You put a little banana up on your head, and the monkeys run right up your back and sit on your head eating away! I must say, that I appreciate every single day of travel that meteorites have brought me, even though it seems I will lose my shirt on this trip, oh well, ill make it up next time when I get the next fall. I am so
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
At 01:39 PM 10/10/03 -0700, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: --- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo Matteo, Since you decided to respond to my last post via the List, I'll elaborate on a few things. First of all, any of the folks that I referred to having personal knowledge of your unorthodox and questionable business ethics can speak for themselves if they so choose. Since my communications with them was private, I'll not post any of our conversations without their permission or approval. Before you began using Paypal, you won one of my meteorites on Ebay. You emailed me and said you'd be sending me cash in the mail. When you letter arrived, it contained several U.S. twenty dollar bills. The problem was that your payment was short twenty dollars. When I contacted you by email and told you about the shortage, your first claimed I was trying to cheat you. My reply to you was simple - your payment was short twenty dollars and the meteorite wouldn't be sent to you until the problem was corrected. Your next email blamed the problem on the corrupt Italian mail system. I actually got quite a laugh out of the idea that a crooked Italian postal clerk would steal just one twenty dollar bill out of six. To be fair, I will say that you did send the missing twenty dollars and your meteorite was sent to you. During a conversation with another dealer, I mentioned the missing twenty dollars. He commented that this was a standard practice with you. Checking with a few more folks in the meteorite community, I got similar responses. The other incident you refer to in you post is incorrect. It did not involve a meteorite on Ebay, but was the most recent sale I posted to the List. The sale, as always, said first come, first served or something similar to those words. Nowhere did I mention that I would accept trades. I received an email from you requesting me to put a specimen on hold for you and would I be interested in doing a trade. I replied no and you next email to me asked If I would accept delayed payment from you - somewhere in the time frame of two weeks to a month, I don't remember exactly. During the time between your emails, someone else contacted me and said they wanted the specimen and would send payment as soon as I sent them a total. The way I see it, Matteo, you missed out on getting the specimen in question because you were too busy trying to negotiate a trade (which I didn't want) and/or a delay of payment(which I didn't agree to). During the rest of the day, I received SIX emails from you where you ranted and raved about injustice...blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old. Now if anyone else chooses to share with the List any of their experiences with you, that's their business. I'd think most of them would want to avoid your tirades of verbal diarrhea so they'll probably shy away. Like David Weir, you emails have been filtered out of my system for a long time now, but you still make you way onto my screen because your emails are piggybacked on the messages of other List members. Regards and Regrets to the List, John Gwilliam = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http
Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or No-named Orphan Step Children need love too
Nicely put Brother Freeman...you're a class act. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:09 AM 10/4/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; I feel the need to apologize for offering to another collector the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two. I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words cheap and junk in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer nothing for something was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This attitude of junk and cheap is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term inexpensively priced, or even affordable run of the mill meteorites as not nearly as degrading. Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing. I have, once coined the phrase no-named orphan step child in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) cheap and junk associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of Lunar and Martian meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for cheap and junk anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of. Junk in, junk out I still do feel that those wanting to get cheap or junk anything should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any proposed transaction. Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. Sincerely, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is selling on my ebay page.
Steve, If you don't mind, I'd like to make a couple of suggestions. When you decide to sell some of your meteorites, you should look up the names in one of the many books available so you can spell them properly. I've seen some meteorite names misspelled from time to time, but you have absolutely butchered the name Millbillillie. Also, the names of meteorites should always start with a capital letter...just like the names of people;-) Best, John At 03:50 PM 10/2/03 -0700, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list just want to give everyone one notice that I have some real great pieces on ebay for auction, like:columbus main mass, 4 tungsten mt.nevada pieces,a 2.5 kilo campo,4.2 gram piece of millibbilliee,dhofar 724 main mass, nwa 660 main mass,66 gram slice of pampa (a), 399 gram slice of nwa 869, and lots more.I added 5 new ones today.So look at your liesure and bid often.And I want to thank all people who bid on my first go around of auctions. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] original rosamond
Hello Steve and List, Knowing how much time and effort was put into the book, Meteorites fro A to Z, I feel it is only appropriate to give credit where credit is due. While Anne Black was indeed a collaborator and contributor the book, Bill and Mike Jensen were the principle authors. A recent phone conversation with Mike confirmed that an updated version of Meteorites from A to Z should be completed in time for the Tucson 2004 Show. Any additions or corrections to the book should be forwarded to the Jensen Bros. All non-Sahara information should be sent to Mike at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any Sahara related information should go to Bill at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. When I need quick, basic information about a meteorite, I usually find myself reaching for this book. The new edition will be a great addition to all of our libraries. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:20 AM 9/29/03 -0700, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I was told that the original rosamond piece was 400 grams according to Ann Black's meteorites a to z.According to bob verish's records, it was 850 grams.I also checked the NATURAL HISTORY'S METEORITE data base, it says that a 850 gram stone was found.It was found on nov. 24, 1940It is an L with no other info on it.Well I will let the meteorite guru's decide which is right.All I know is I have a piece of the new ROSAMOND DRY LAKE.You can view it on my website. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite available?
I agree with Tim (and several other list members) on this one. There are some Brahin specimens available that are very stable. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:48 PM 9/29/03 -0500, Tim Heitz wrote: Matteo, NO ITS NOT all rusty Not all Regards, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite available? Yes, but brahin is a rusty bastard pallasite. Regards Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would any one happen to have a small slice of a Pallasite for sale or maybe trade? I do not have one in my collection and figure it is time. I am looking for a small slice that has plenty of both materials for my viewing pleasure. : ) What about these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2193646780 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2193484669 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2193484729 The 2193646780 Brahin would be my favorite though the 2193484729 Brahin is very nice too. The former looks more stable visually. Several months ago I got a nice little QUIJINGUE (3.5 grams) from AL Mitterling via Ebay and it is still very stable. Keep your hands off ADMIRE - it is a rust bucket lest you take care of it regularly. Esquel and Imilac slices are quite stable, my Brenham has been stable for more than 15 years now - others have had less luck because with Brenham it depends on whether it is an internal or an external piece (same thing with the Cape York irons). Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Wedding Bands
Good Morning List, I've had someone who's not a list member contact me concerning meteorite wedding bands. I remember years ago that Bud Eisler used to make them but I can't find an active website for Bud. Anyone with any info about where to find the iron meteorite wedding bands, please contact me off list. Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter
Michael and List, After hearing that several of our list members received the same letter, I'm convinced that this is another case of pure ignorance and nothing more. If it is a scam, these folks didn't do their homework well enough to find out that meteorites from Jupiter don't exist. One of our intrepid list members lives quite close to the senders of this letter and I have given him their contact information. After he has visited with Mrs. Cheung, he'll report his experience to the list. Best, John At 12:24 AM 9/23/03 -0700, Michael L Blood wrote: I got one of these too, What blows me away is it costs this dip s 37c to mail each of these letters - what does she think? That meteorite dealers just fell off the turnip truck? Weird. Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter
Hello List, In this morning's mail, I received an unusual letter from a Mrs. Cheung in Alamo, California. The letter says they are contacting me (the recipient of the letter) for a friend who wants some help selling some meteorites in her possession. It goes on to say that some of the stones have already been identified as meteorites by the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. They list five different samples that have been identified by the museum and they list densities for the specimens but no weights. Here is the interesting information in the letter. In addition to the samples she has given us some photographs of the meteorites. During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was identified as coming from the planet Jupiter. Imagine that, a meteorite from Jupiter! If anyone wants to pursue this, let me know and I'll give you the contact information;-) Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
