Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
Too little, Too late, Let it go--go to sleep - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Maybe we can discuss meteorites instead of you inquiring about my healthcare concerns which really are none of your business. Perhaps a Lunar meteorite like NWA 482 will be found on private land. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com>; <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > Is makes no sense at all. I have an Obamacare policy and nothing you are > saying is anything close to true. Been watching Alex Jones or something? I > get sick, I go to the doctor and I'm done. Same thing I did under no > healthcare policy and under non-Obamacare policy. > Again, since you seem to dislike Obamacare, you are free to buy any > private policy you want that isn't Obamacare. Why haven't you? I'm still > confused. And you started this thread. Not me. I merely replied to your > false statements and whining about things that don't belong on the list. > Michael > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:47 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, iv'e given up on you >> >> You are losing it man--join the real world. >> My deductible is close to that And I have >> nothing---Get real dude >> >> Where is your head at ? >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> >> It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the >> purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed >> healthcare system, >> >> Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's >> healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government >> handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false >> promises >> of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care >> about. >> >> The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered >> a >> high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use >> who do not qualify for a subsidy? >> >> Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight. >> >> Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and >> not >> socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be >> called to get any service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing >> List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> >> So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for >> healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can >> buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that >> you >> have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. >> Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that >>> has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed >>> and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so >>> expensive >>> for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the >>> only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be >>> much bette
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
Maybe we can discuss meteorites instead of you inquiring about my healthcare concerns which really are none of your business. Perhaps a Lunar meteorite like NWA 482 will be found on private land. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com>; <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Is makes no sense at all. I have an Obamacare policy and nothing you are saying is anything close to true. Been watching Alex Jones or something? I get sick, I go to the doctor and I'm done. Same thing I did under no healthcare policy and under non-Obamacare policy. Again, since you seem to dislike Obamacare, you are free to buy any private policy you want that isn't Obamacare. Why haven't you? I'm still confused. And you started this thread. Not me. I merely replied to your false statements and whining about things that don't belong on the list. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:47 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: OK, iv'e given up on you You are losing it man--join the real world. My deductible is close to that And I have nothing---Get real dude Where is your head at ? - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed healthcare system, Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false promises of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care about. The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered a high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use who do not qualify for a subsidy? Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight. Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and not socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be called to get any service. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that you have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteor
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
Michael, I suggest you go through the thread again and see who brought up healthcare. And in the same breath you stated that you can't find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford good health care. Please Sir - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! But you did start it. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: I will happily end this thread about healthcare which I did not start. Everybody has an opinion about it and mine is not good. The voters have already spoken so my opinion doesn't matter much on this side subject anyway.. - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical plan on the planet for 10 years !! Stop this thread - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
Is makes no sense at all. I have an Obamacare policy and nothing you are saying is anything close to true. Been watching Alex Jones or something? I get sick, I go to the doctor and I'm done. Same thing I did under no healthcare policy and under non-Obamacare policy. Again, since you seem to dislike Obamacare, you are free to buy any private policy you want that isn't Obamacare. Why haven't you? I'm still confused. And you started this thread. Not me. I merely replied to your false statements and whining about things that don't belong on the list. Michael Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:47 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > > > OK, iv'e given up on you > > You are losing it man--join the real world. > My deductible is close to that And I have > nothing---Get real dude > > Where is your head at ? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > > It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the > purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed > healthcare system, > > Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's > healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government > handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false promises > of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care > about. > > The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered a > high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use > who do not qualify for a subsidy? > > Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight. > > Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and not > socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be > called to get any service. > > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing > List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > > So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for > healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can > buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that you > have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. > Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that >> has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed >> and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive >> for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the >> only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be >> much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare >> should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. >> >> Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 >> acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was >> taken from us. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" >> <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing >> List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> >> Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just >> curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are >> free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced >> into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. >> Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or >> decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. >> Michael >
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But you did start it. Michael Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > I will happily end this thread about healthcare which I did not start. > Everybody has an opinion about it and mine is not good. > > The voters have already spoken so my opinion doesn't matter much on this side > subject anyway.. > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> > Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > >> NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special >> off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical >> plan on the planet for 10 years !! >> >> Stop this thread >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> >> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has >> more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do >> not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. >> I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice >> I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off >> with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to >> the invidividual not the government in my opinion. >> >> Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 >> acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken >> from us. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing >> List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> >> Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just >> curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are >> free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced >> into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. >> Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or >> decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. >> Michael >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>> John and List, >>> >>> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing >>> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one >>> in the first place. >>> >>> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and >>> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. >>> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I >>> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 >>> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation >>> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth >>> right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. >>> My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show >>> in Las Vegas once a year. >>> >>> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of >>> being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer >>> charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, >>> seven truck loads this year alone. >>> >>> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting >>> before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus >>> the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful >>> hunters I read about have invested an en
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
I have been reading this thread with much glee! This is a PRIME EXAMPLE of why I no longer suggest this list to my customers. A few short days ago, I was raked over the proverbial coals for complaining about large attachments. It seems that I happened to step on the toes of some of the 'powers that be'. Here, we have these diatribes and nary a word from those said 'powers'! I love it! I love the hypocrisy! ... from the political "He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks, fossils,... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too, as soon as possible. Thank you Mr. President." ... to the mud slinging! ... a truly professional group dedicated to the love of science! Go for it, guys! Get down and wallow in the mud! There seems to be plenty of company! -Original Message- >From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >Sent: Dec 29, 2016 9:22 PM >To: Raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > >NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special >off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical >plan on the planet for 10 years !! > >Stop this thread > > >- Original Message - >From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > >I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has >more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do >not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. >I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice >I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off >with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to >the invidividual not the government in my opinion. > >Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 >acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken >from us. > >Adam > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing >List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > >Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just >curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are >free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced >into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. >Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or >decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. >Michael > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> John and List, >> >> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing >> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one >> in the first place. >> >> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and >> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. >> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I >> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 >> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation >> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth >> right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. >> My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show >> in Las Vegas once a year. >> >> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of >> being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer >> charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, >> seven truck loads this year alone. >> >> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting >> before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus >> the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful >> hunters I read about have invested an e
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I will happily end this thread about healthcare which I did not start. Everybody has an opinion about it and mine is not good. The voters have already spoken so my opinion doesn't matter much on this side subject anyway.. - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical plan on the planet for 10 years !! Stop this thread - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with such endeavors. And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. Happy hunting while you still can, Adam - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com&g
[meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
OK, iv'e given up on you You are losing it man--join the real world. My deductible is close to that And I have nothing---Get real dude Where is your head at ? - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed healthcare system, Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false promises of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care about. The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered a high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use who do not qualify for a subsidy? Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight. Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and not socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be called to get any service. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that you have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that > has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed > and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive > for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the > only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be > much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare > should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. > > Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 > acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was > taken from us. > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" > <m...@meteoriteguy.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing > List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > > Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just > curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are > free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced > into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. > Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or > decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. > Michael > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> John and List, >> >> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing >> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is >> one in the first place. >> >> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and >> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. >> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I >> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 >> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation >> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my >> mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any >> excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a >> trade show in Las Vegas once a year. >> >> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others eithe
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I love my health insurance... one choice where I live in sunny and warm Florida. I happily pay a massive premium every year for quality health care and not try to be a burden on fellow tax payers. I love America... land of freedom to choose how you conduct you life. ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:22 PM To: Raremeteorites Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical plan on the planet for 10 years !! Stop this thread - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with such endeavors. And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of dolla
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It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed healthcare system, Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false promises of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care about. The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered a high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use who do not qualify for a subsidy? Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight. Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and not socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be called to get any service. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that you have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working
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NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical plan on the planet for 10 years !! Stop this thread - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > John and List, > > The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing > meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one > in the first place. > > I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and > have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. > Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I > want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 > years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation > day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth > right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. > My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show > in Las Vegas once a year. > > On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of > being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer > charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, > seven truck loads this year alone. > > I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting > before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus > the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful > hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in > equipment, then in time. > > As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in > it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or > Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there > happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working > the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment > involved with such endeavors. > > And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this > worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan > which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of > dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not > collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. > > Happy hunting while you still can, > > Adam > > > > > - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> > Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > >> Hello Adam, >> >> I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. >> >> You have have
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So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that you have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine. Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has > more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do > not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I > could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I > see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off > with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to > the invidividual not the government in my opinion. > > Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 > acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken > from us. > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing > List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > > Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just > curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free > and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into > Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. > Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or > decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. > Michael > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> John and List, >> >> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing >> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one >> in the first place. >> >> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and >> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. >> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want >> something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years >> straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. >> I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right >> after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea >> of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las >> Vegas once a year. >> >> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of >> being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer >> charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, >> seven truck loads this year alone. >> >> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before >> it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the >> proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I >> read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in >> time. >> >> As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. >> Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social >> Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens >> to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to >> extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with >> such endeavors. >> >> And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this >> worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan >> which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of >> dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not >> collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. >> >> Happy hunting while you still can, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> >> T
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I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion. Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200 acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was taken from us. Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with such endeavors. And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. Happy hunting while you still can, Adam - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Hello Adam, I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land acquisitions, although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened the door.. In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large tracks of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on during a rainy Tuscon ShowAnd in the same breath you stated that you can't find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford good health care. Please Sir Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch.. With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !! The next post I would to see from y
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Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit. Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or decidable and they pay the rest. That's all. Michael Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > John and List, > > The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing > meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in > the first place. > > I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and > have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, > I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want > something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years > straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. > I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after > getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a > vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas > once a year. > > On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of > being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer > charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, > seven truck loads this year alone. > > I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before > it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper > equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read > about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. > > As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. > Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social > Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to > be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to > extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with > such endeavors. > > And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this > worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan which > actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars into > the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not collected a single > penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. > > Happy hunting while you still can, > > Adam > > > > > - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> > To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> > Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > >> Hello Adam, >> >> I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. >> >> You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be >> admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land acquisitions, >> although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened >> the door.. >> >> In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large tracks >> of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road >> vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on during >> a rainy Tuscon ShowAnd in the same breath you stated that you can't >> find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford >> good health care. Please Sir >> >> Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch.. >> >> With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !! >> The next post I would to see from you isIv'e contacted >> senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed >> that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc. >> >> And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been >> insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse. >> >> Again, please come back with some Good news for the >> Meteorite Hunters. >> >> John >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >>
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John and List, The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is one in the first place. I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation. Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14 years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show in Las Vegas once a year. On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated, seven truck loads this year alone. I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in equipment, then in time. As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment involved with such endeavors. And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital. Happy hunting while you still can, Adam - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Hello Adam, I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land acquisitions, although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened the door.. In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large tracks of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on during a rainy Tuscon ShowAnd in the same breath you stated that you can't find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford good health care. Please Sir Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch.. With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !! The next post I would to see from you isIv'e contacted senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc. And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse. Again, please come back with some Good news for the Meteorite Hunters. John - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the out-of-doors? If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove dinosaur tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for them. There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be used for recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the protection built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop looters. There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the lose of freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes these freedoms away. You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy public lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers. It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves due to the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to nationalize vast areas of land without any public inpu
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Hello Adam, I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land acquisitions, although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened the door.. In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large tracks of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on during a rainy Tuscon ShowAnd in the same breath you stated that you can't find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford good health care. Please Sir Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch.. With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !! The next post I would to see from you isIv'e contacted senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc. And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse. Again, please come back with some Good news for the Meteorite Hunters. John - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the out-of-doors? If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove dinosaur tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for them. There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be used for recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the protection built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop looters. There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the lose of freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes these freedoms away. You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy public lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers. It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves due to the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to nationalize vast areas of land without any public input whatsoever. The meteorite collection weight limit on public land has now been reduced to Zero pounds. Adam - Original Message - From: "Anne Black" <impact...@aol.com> To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks, > fossils,... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too, as > soon as possible. > Thank you Mr. President. > > > Anne M. Black > IMPACTIKA.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and > control > vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29 separate > land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to off-road > enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the > idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and want > everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying > infrastructure. > > I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left out. > > Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly > becoming a thing of the past. > > Adam > . > > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Atkins" <thetop...@aol.com> > To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > > Adam, List, > > I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think > it's > safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is > now off limits, how unfortunate. > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-arch
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What are American's supposed to eat, tofu? Most of the public land here in the southwest is open range and ranchers pay a cattle head tax in order to graze on it. If you want to keep cattle out, simply install a fence. As far as public drinking water goes, cattle should never be able to enter a reservoir used for drinking water. California should spend some of the cattle head tax on fences instead of non-native mantis shrimp and minnow studies. - Original Message - From: "Anne Black" <impact...@aol.com> To: <thetop...@aol.com>; <fisler...@msn.com> Cc: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! I agree with you Larry. Those cows should never be allowed on Public Lands. They should be made to stay on Private ranch lands. Maybe we need a wall! ;-) Anne M. Black IMPACTIKA.com -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: fislerite <fisler...@msn.com> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Ben, List, Ben says "The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line,went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the thehighway near Mesquite to the north."That encompasses the Nevada side of GB, game over! I sure am glad I got in there when I did.I think the vast majority of people are all for protecting archeological sites, dino bones and tracks, etc. I sure am. However, I've always been a fan of the 'middle of the road' when it comes to many things, it doesn't always have to be all or nothing. Closing off that much land makes no sense at all and Adam hit the nail on the head, there's such a thing as over regulation. And hey Mike, you don't have to make all that land off limits to stop trailer parks, be serious friend. I spent weeks and weeks in the Gold Butte area and saw nary a soul. This place has built in protections.. it's remote! The few people I saw didn't even get out of the car let alone pillage and plunder, and again, like Adam said, if thieves have a mind to steal, they will, and with impunity because nobody is there to report them anyway. I'm all for protecting what needs protecting but some of this stuff is out of hand. If laws are going to be passed like this there should be input from the people that actually use the land and have an interest in it, and some common sense should be applied. An example of nonsense rules, I can't collect pottery chips or worked stone but it's perfectly legal and okay for the cattle to pulverize it into oblivion. That makes no sense and leads to a lack of confidence in the officials that make the policies. Or how about not being able to swim in some of the reservoirs in California because it's a protected water body, but look over there, it's a herd of 40 cows standing chest deep dropping poop bombs into the drinking water! Someone needs to explain the logic in these things if they think it's the right way to manage the land.We all know that prohibiting the collection of meteorites on federal land is a bad idea. Those meteorites will never be found by scientists or "officials" and thus will be lost to science forever. How about some compromise?Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message-From: Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To: Larry Atkins <thetop...@aol.com>Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 2:57 pmSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line,went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the thehighway near Mesquite to the north. BenSent from my iPhone> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:> > Adam, List,> > I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate.> > > Sincerely,> Larry Atkins> > IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> > > > -Original Message-> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am> Subject
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I agree with you Larry. Those cows should never be allowed on Public Lands. They should be made to stay on Private ranch lands. Maybe we need a wall! ;-) Anne M. Black IMPACTIKA.com -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: fislerite <fisler...@msn.com> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Ben, List, Ben says "The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line,went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the thehighway near Mesquite to the north."That encompasses the Nevada side of GB, game over! I sure am glad I got in there when I did.I think the vast majority of people are all for protecting archeological sites, dino bones and tracks, etc. I sure am. However, I've always been a fan of the 'middle of the road' when it comes to many things, it doesn't always have to be all or nothing. Closing off that much land makes no sense at all and Adam hit the nail on the head, there's such a thing as over regulation. And hey Mike, you don't have to make all that land off limits to stop trailer parks, be serious friend. I spent weeks and weeks in the Gold Butte area and saw nary a soul. This place has built in protections.. it's remote! The few people I saw didn't even get out of the car let alone pillage and plunder, and again, like Adam said, if thieves have a mind to steal, they will, and with impunity because nobody is there to report them anyway. I'm all for protecting what needs protecting but some of this stuff is out of hand. If laws are going to be passed like this there should be input from the people that actually use the land and have an interest in it, and some common sense should be applied. An example of nonsense rules, I can't collect pottery chips or worked stone but it's perfectly legal and okay for the cattle to pulverize it into oblivion. That makes no sense and leads to a lack of confidence in the officials that make the policies. Or how about not being able to swim in some of the reservoirs in California because it's a protected water body, but look over there, it's a herd of 40 cows standing chest deep dropping poop bombs into the drinking water! Someone needs to explain the logic in these things if they think it's the right way to manage the land.We all know that prohibiting the collection of meteorites on federal land is a bad idea. Those meteorites will never be found by scientists or "officials" and thus will be lost to science forever. How about some compromise?Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message-From: Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>To: Larry Atkins <thetop...@aol.com>Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 2:57 pmSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line,went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the thehighway near Mesquite to the north. BenSent from my iPhone> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:> > Adam, List,> > I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate.> > > Sincerely,> Larry Atkins> > IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> > > > -Original Message-> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am> Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!> > Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, > including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with > no input from the public whatsoever.> > http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition> > http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/> > This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by:> > http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg> > Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees > have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additi
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I saw the map in an article on reviewjournal.com Ben Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Larry Atkins <thetop...@aol.com> wrote: > > Ben, List, > > Ben says "The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, > went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, > to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the > highway near Mesquite to the north." > > That encompasses the Nevada side of GB, game over! I sure am glad I got in > there when I did. > > I think the vast majority of people are all for protecting archeological > sites, dino bones and tracks, etc. I sure am. However, I've always been a fan > of the 'middle of the road' when it comes to many things, it doesn't always > have to be all or nothing. Closing off that much land makes no sense at all > and Adam hit the nail on the head, there's such a thing as over regulation. > And hey Mike, you don't have to make all that land off limits to stop trailer > parks, be serious friend. I spent weeks and weeks in the Gold Butte area and > saw nary a soul. This place has built in protections.. it's remote! The few > people I saw didn't even get out of the car let alone pillage and plunder, > and again, like Adam said, if thieves have a mind to steal, they will, and > with impunity because nobody is there to report them anyway. I'm all for > protecting what needs protecting but some of this stuff is out of hand. If > laws are going to be passed like this there should be input from the people > that actuall y use the land and have an interest in it, and some common sense should be applied. > An example of nonsense rules, I can't collect pottery chips or worked stone > but it's perfectly legal and okay for the cattle to pulverize it into > oblivion. That makes no sense and leads to a lack of confidence in the > officials that make the policies. Or how about not being able to swim in some > of the reservoirs in California because it's a protected water body, but look > over there, it's a herd of 40 cows standing chest deep dropping poop bombs > into the drinking water! Someone needs to explain the logic in these things > if they think it's the right way to manage the land. > > We all know that prohibiting the collection of meteorites on federal land is > a bad idea. Those meteorites will never be found by scientists or "officials" > and thus will be lost to science forever. How about some compromise? > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: Larry Atkins <thetop...@aol.com> > Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites > <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> > Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, > went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, > to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the > highway near Mesquite to the north. > Ben > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> Adam, List, >> >> I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's >> safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is >> now off limits, how unfortunate. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Larry Atkins >> >> IMCA # 1941 >> Ebay alienrockfarm >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, >> including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with >> no input from the public whatsoever. >> >> http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition >> >> http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ >> >> This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: >> >> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg >> >> Note the logs
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Trailer parks have never been located on public land. It would defeat the purpose of public land letting just anybody build or put permanent structures up. I have nothing against people who were forced to live in trailer parks due to recent poor economic conditions. There are parts of Arizona and the entire southwest that now look like third world habitation centers. I never thought I would see the day, in the United States, that homeless people would be forced to live in cardboard box/tarp shelter cities out in the desert but they have been springing up everywhere. As far as illegal dumping goes, I agree that the laws on the books should be enforced. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ben, List, Ben says "The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the highway near Mesquite to the north." That encompasses the Nevada side of GB, game over! I sure am glad I got in there when I did. I think the vast majority of people are all for protecting archeological sites, dino bones and tracks, etc. I sure am. However, I've always been a fan of the 'middle of the road' when it comes to many things, it doesn't always have to be all or nothing. Closing off that much land makes no sense at all and Adam hit the nail on the head, there's such a thing as over regulation. And hey Mike, you don't have to make all that land off limits to stop trailer parks, be serious friend. I spent weeks and weeks in the Gold Butte area and saw nary a soul. This place has built in protections.. it's remote! The few people I saw didn't even get out of the car let alone pillage and plunder, and again, like Adam said, if thieves have a mind to steal, they will, and with impunity because nobody is there to report them anyway. I'm all for protecting what needs protecting but some of this stuff is out of hand. If laws are going to be passed like this there should be input from the people that actually use the land and have an interest in it, and some common sense should be applied. An example of nonsense rules, I can't collect pottery chips or worked stone but it's perfectly legal and okay for the cattle to pulverize it into oblivion. That makes no sense and leads to a lack of confidence in the officials that make the policies. Or how about not being able to swim in some of the reservoirs in California because it's a protected water body, but look over there, it's a herd of 40 cows standing chest deep dropping poop bombs into the drinking water! Someone needs to explain the logic in these things if they think it's the right way to manage the land. We all know that prohibiting the collection of meteorites on federal land is a bad idea. Those meteorites will never be found by scientists or "officials" and thus will be lost to science forever. How about some compromise? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: Larry Atkins <thetop...@aol.com> Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; raremeteorites <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the highway near Mesquite to the north. Ben Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Adam, List, > > I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's > safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now > off limits, how unfortunate. > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > > -Original Message- > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am > Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, > including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with > no input from the public whatsoever. > > http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition > > http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ > > This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: > > http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg > > Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees > have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additional 1.65 million acres. > > People who have never left urban areas should not make choices about land > they have never seen! > > Adam > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >
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If you haven't been out there in the 22 years since gold basin was found then tough luck. I think it's great. More land protected from trailer parks and trash dumps. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, > went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, > to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the > highway near Mesquite to the north. > Ben > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> Adam, List, >> >> I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's >> safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is >> now off limits, how unfortunate. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Larry Atkins >> >> IMCA # 1941 >> Ebay alienrockfarm >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! >> >> Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, >> including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with >> no input from the public whatsoever. >> >> http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition >> >> http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ >> >> This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: >> >> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg >> >> Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees >> have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additional 1.65 million acres. >> >> People who have never left urban areas should not make choices about land >> they have never seen! >> >> Adam >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The map of the Gold Butte National Monument that I saw on line, went from the border of the Lake Mead Recreational Park on the west, to the Arizona Border on the east and south, and almost to the the highway near Mesquite to the north. Ben Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Adam, List, > > I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's > safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now > off limits, how unfortunate. > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > > -Original Message- > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am > Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! > > Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, > including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with > no input from the public whatsoever. > > http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition > > http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ > > This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: > > http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg > > Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees > have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additional 1.65 million acres. > > People who have never left urban areas should not make choices about land > they have never seen! > > Adam > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the out-of-doors? If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove dinosaur tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for them. There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be used for recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the protection built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop looters. There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the lose of freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes these freedoms away. You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy public lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers. It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves due to the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to nationalize vast areas of land without any public input whatsoever. The meteorite collection weight limit on public land has now been reduced to Zero pounds. Adam - Original Message - From: "Anne Black" <impact...@aol.com> To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks, fossils,... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too, as soon as possible. Thank you Mr. President. Anne M. Black IMPACTIKA.com -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and control vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29 separate land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to off-road enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and want everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying infrastructure. I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left out. Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Adam . - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" <thetop...@aol.com> To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, List, I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks, fossils,... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too, as soon as possible. Thank you Mr. President. Anne M. Black IMPACTIKA.com -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and control vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29 separate land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to off-road enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and want everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying infrastructure. I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left out. Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Adam . - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" <thetop...@aol.com> To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, List, I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and control vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29 separate land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to off-road enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and want everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying infrastructure. I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left out. Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Adam . - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" <thetop...@aol.com> To: <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Adam, List, I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam, List, I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think it's safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field is now off limits, how unfortunate. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 9:49 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah! Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with no input from the public whatsoever. http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additional 1.65 million acres. People who have never left urban areas should not make choices about land they have never seen! Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
Another 1.65 million acres on top of the record setting 553 million acres, including the entire Mohave corridor, has taken out of action by Obama with no input from the public whatsoever. http://mynews4.com/news/local/obama-names-gold-butte-nevada-monument-despite-opposition http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/29/obamas-historic-land-grab-553-million-acres-conservation/ This is what meteorite hunters and future generations will be greeted by: http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Jeep/ClosedNationilizedTrail.jpg Note the logs blocking a once, well used trail! I wonder how many trees have to be cut down in order to "protect" an additional 1.65 million acres. People who have never left urban areas should not make choices about land they have never seen! Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
