Re: problem with ipsec tunnel between pix and openbsd
Hi, I setup a tunnel between a pix and an openbsd isakmpd to connect two networks behind each tunnel endpoint. pinging through the tunnel from both sides works, for the first 15 minutes. then the ping stops working. When I recreate the tunnel, then the ping starts to work again. I start isakmpd with isakmpd -k and I use ipsecctl to activate the tunnel. To work around the problem I added dead peer detection to the isakmpd.conf file. It checks every 10 seconds for a dead peer, this detects that the tunnel is not in a good state, and restarts it. I also found in an old howto that I have to create a policy file, that says that the OpenBSD box is the initiator of the tunnel. I have not found a way to prevent the tunnel to go into that bad state. I think I have a problem with rekeying. In my eyes activating the DPD is only a working on the symptoms, so I assume there must be a better way to fix the problem. I just saw this statement on the 42.html page: Fixed isakmpd(8) interop-issues with peers, that start rekeying on port 4500 for NAT-T (e.g. Cisco, Openswan) well, I see isakmpd listening on port 4500, but I do not have NAT-T specially configured. Not sure for what I need to look in the logs. any idea whether this could be my problem? kind regards Sebastian
D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report
Hello all, I bought D-Link G650 (ath) - which is present in http://openbsd.org/i386.html list. When I put this card into my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S6157) and try boot -current (GENERIC) I get panic message at the end of boot. = panic message = # panic: pmap_remove_ptes: managed page without PG_PVLIST for 0xe6481000 Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave = panic message = = show registers = ds 0x10 es 0xd210 kernel_text+0x10 fs 0xe6430058 gs 0xe643 edi 0xd06a2200 i386_cpuid_ecxfeatures+0x780 esi 0xe6436b08 ebp 0xe6436adc ebx 0 edx 0 ecx 0xd074fa64 kprintf_mutex eax 0x1 eip 0xd045ee6c Debugger+0x4 cs 0x8 eflags 0x202 esp 0xe6436adc ss 0xe6430010 Debugger+0x4: leave = show registers = I don't have serial console for trace and ps output, but I have Photo Camera :) = ps = ps output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg = trace = trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg Please give me know if I can help more in resolving this bug. -- Best regards, Evgeniy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unix on lenovos
On 20:52 Wed 12 Sep , Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: You'll notice that Mark Kohut (Lenovo's worldwide analyst) cannot tell the difference between linux and BSD (both freebsd and openbsd fall in the category of linux) but, in any case, maybe you feel like clicking the OpenBSD entry... I did Well, only FreeBSD was in the initial set of answers. OpenBSD was added by somebody else, as you can see from the footnote. BTW, I voted for OpenBSD, too. But I think, Ubuntu already has too much to catch up. Regards, Julian
Re: Setting up ccd RAID 1 Howto OpenBSD 4.1
If I remember correctly, you have to use FS type RAID, and not FS type FS_RAID. for the partition layout, the /boot on 100MB is to allow the machine to boot, but after that, you put all your files in logical subdivisions of the raid array. I my case, I didn't use wd*a (/boot) in the /etc/fstab, as I don't need it for day-to-day operation. Last thing, instead of writing the raid.conf file under /etc, copy it (if you can) from man raidctl, raidctl is very very very bad at interpreting this file, and fail with a useless error message whenever it finds whitespaces, tab, or CR where he didn't intend to... nico On 9/13/07, Jake Conk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I tried following that article but I got stuck at the part where you start partition your second drive. I created the first partition with 100mb and type of 4.2 BSD then when I tried to create the second partition on my drive as FS_RAID as the article says but it said that FS_RAID is an unknown type and treated my partition as unknown? To me that part of the article on how to partition my disk is totally unclear. All it says is make the first partition 100m for the boot which makes sense then it doesn't say how to partition the rest of your drive to setup for the RAID 1? Can someone clarify this a bit more please? I'm stuck. Thanks, - Jake Anyways how do I fix this FS_RAID problem On 9/12/07, nicodache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly used the following doc to set up my software raid 1 frame : http://www.linux.com/articles/52713 good luck :) On 9/12/07, Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake Conk wrote: Hello, I've searched hi and low for hours on how to setup my system of a RAID 1 and basically what it comes down to is ccd and/or Raid Frame. I've found helpful docs on using some of the commands and where to put my configurations but nothing seems complete enough for me to figure it out. I have OpenBSD 4.1 installed on one disk and I have an exact duplicate disk where i want to mirror my installation to incase of disk failure. If this needs to be setup during install I'm willing reinstall everything or if there is a way to configure my disks for ccd and mirror them to the second disk then I'm willing to do that also. Basically I don't know how to get this ball rolling, I've read 1) I must change the disk type with disk label to ccd. Then 2) create ccd0 with ccdconfig and tell it to mirror disk 1 to disk 2. It then 3) finally says to put my configuration into ccd.conf so that it can be read in on boot by my system and of course put the stuff in fstab to have it mounted on boot but thats all I know, everything is very vague and no exact details on how to do this step by step with a new install or a already running system. Can someone please help provide a step by step way to mirror my whole disk to a second disk by ressetting back up OpenBSD from scratch or if possible configure my already installed system? I don't care if its with ccd or another tool as long as I have a disk failover solution. Please Please Please and Thanks! - Jake Hi, Not for CCD, but raidframe.. Search the mailing list archives for a thread with a subject Seeking info for RAID 1 on OpenBSD. In there you will find all sorts of info. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=116360194522004w=2 http://www.packetmischief.ca/openbsd/doc/raidadmin/ Good Luck, Thanks, Steve Williams
Re: : Setting up ccd RAID 1 Howto OpenBSD 4.1
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:15:50PM -0700, Jake Conk wrote: Hey, I tried following that article but I got stuck at the part where you start partition your second drive. I created the first partition with 100mb and type of 4.2 BSD then when I tried to create the second partition on my drive as FS_RAID as the article says but it said that FS_RAID is an unknown type and treated my partition as unknown? To me that part of the article on how to partition my disk is totally unclear. All it says is make the first partition 100m for the boot which makes sense then it doesn't say how to partition the rest of your drive to setup for the RAID 1? Can someone clarify this a bit more please? I'm stuck. The FS_RAID filesystem type is called (in OpenBSD disklabel for i386) just plain RAID. Type RAID at the prompt for filesystem type. (Side note: on e.g the platform sparc64 you use 4.2BSD, not RAID) Then go on and follow the article again. There are other articles like that out there, I followed some other that was clearer on that point... Nowdays I tend to improvise. I prefer to retain the whole base installation that was used to build the raid-aware kernel (if I have the diskpace) in case of disaster. Then one does not have to start with a broken mirror - it can be created whole at once. By the way, I recall rumours about some other RAID implementation coming in OpenBSD 4.2. Does anyone know, just rumours? Thanks, - Jake Anyways how do I fix this FS_RAID problem On 9/12/07, nicodache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly used the following doc to set up my software raid 1 frame : http://www.linux.com/articles/52713 good luck :) On 9/12/07, Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake Conk wrote: Hello, I've searched hi and low for hours on how to setup my system of a RAID 1 and basically what it comes down to is ccd and/or Raid Frame. I've found helpful docs on using some of the commands and where to put my configurations but nothing seems complete enough for me to figure it out. I have OpenBSD 4.1 installed on one disk and I have an exact duplicate disk where i want to mirror my installation to incase of disk failure. If this needs to be setup during install I'm willing reinstall everything or if there is a way to configure my disks for ccd and mirror them to the second disk then I'm willing to do that also. Basically I don't know how to get this ball rolling, I've read 1) I must change the disk type with disk label to ccd. Then 2) create ccd0 with ccdconfig and tell it to mirror disk 1 to disk 2. It then 3) finally says to put my configuration into ccd.conf so that it can be read in on boot by my system and of course put the stuff in fstab to have it mounted on boot but thats all I know, everything is very vague and no exact details on how to do this step by step with a new install or a already running system. Can someone please help provide a step by step way to mirror my whole disk to a second disk by ressetting back up OpenBSD from scratch or if possible configure my already installed system? I don't care if its with ccd or another tool as long as I have a disk failover solution. Please Please Please and Thanks! - Jake Hi, Not for CCD, but raidframe.. Search the mailing list archives for a thread with a subject Seeking info for RAID 1 on OpenBSD. In there you will find all sorts of info. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=116360194522004w=2 http://www.packetmischief.ca/openbsd/doc/raidadmin/ Good Luck, Thanks, Steve Williams -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report
Hello Miod, Thursday, September 13, 2007, 10:58:21 AM, you wrote: I bought D-Link G650 (ath) - which is present in http://openbsd.org/i386.html list. When I put this card into my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S6157) and try boot -current (GENERIC) I get panic message at the end of boot. [...] Please give me know if I can help more in resolving this bug. Could you also provide a complete dmesg as well? Miod # dmesg OpenBSD 4.2 (GENERIC) #375: Tue Aug 28 10:38:44 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.68 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CF LUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR real mem = 2137157632 (2038MB) avail mem = 2058887168 (1963MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/22/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd4a0, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xdf010 (30 entries) bios0: vendor TOSHIBA version V3.30date 12/22/2006 bios0: TOSHIBA Satellite P105 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd4a0/0xb60 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdd70/224 (12 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 (Intel 82371FB ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #11 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xea00! 0xcf000/0x1800 0xdf000/0x1000! 0xe/0x1800! acpi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0 at mainbus0 cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x06130a2806000a28 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1667 MHz (1340 mV): speeds: 1667, 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82945GM MCH rev 0x03 vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel 82945GM Video rev 0x03: aperture at 0xc000 , size 0x1000 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) Intel 82945GM Video rev 0x03 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801GB HD Audio rev 0x02: irq 11 azalia0: host: High Definition Audio rev. 1.0 azalia0: codec: Conexant/0x5045 (rev. 1.0), HDA version 1.0 audio0 at azalia0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02 pci1 at ppb0 bus 2 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02 pci2 at ppb1 bus 3 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: irq 11, MoW 1, address 00:19:d2:22:62:fd ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02 pci3 at ppb2 bus 4 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: irq 7 uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: irq 11 uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: irq 11 uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: irq 11 ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: irq 7 ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI rev 0xe2 pci4 at ppb3 bus 10 cbb0 at pci4 dev 4 function 0 TI PCIXX12 CardBus rev 0x00: irq 11 TI PCIXX12 FireWire rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 4 function 1 not configured TI PCIXX12 Multimedia Card Reader rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 4 function 2 not config ured sdhc0 at pci4 dev 4 function 3 TI PCIXX12 Secure Data rev 0x00: irq 11 sdmmc0 at sdhc0 fxp0 at pci4 dev 8 function 0 Intel PRO/100 VM rev 0x02, i82562: irq 11, addre ss 00:16:36:d1:9e:4e inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82562ET 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0 cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 11 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20 pcmcia0 at cardslot0 ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801GBM LPC rev 0x02: PM disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 Intel 82801GBM SATA rev 0x02: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: FUJITSU MHV2200BT PL wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 190782MB, 390721968 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, DVD-RAM UJ-850S, 1.10 SCSI0 5/cdrom re movable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 Intel 82801GB SMBus rev 0x02: irq 11 iic0 at ichiic0 usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at
Re: D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report
Hello Evgeniy, Thursday, September 13, 2007, 10:41:53 AM, you wrote: Hello all, I bought D-Link G650 (ath) - which is present in http://openbsd.org/i386.html list. When I put this card into my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S6157) and try boot -current (GENERIC) I get panic message at the end of boot. = panic message = # panic: pmap_remove_ptes: managed page without PG_PVLIST for 0xe6481000 Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave = panic message = = show registers = ds 0x10 es 0xd210 kernel_text+0x10 fs 0xe6430058 gs 0xe643 edi 0xd06a2200 i386_cpuid_ecxfeatures+0x780 esi 0xe6436b08 ebp 0xe6436adc ebx 0 edx 0 ecx 0xd074fa64 kprintf_mutex eax 0x1 eip 0xd045ee6c Debugger+0x4 cs 0x8 eflags 0x202 esp 0xe6436adc ss 0xe6430010 Debugger+0x4: leave = show registers = I don't have serial console for trace and ps output, but I have Photo Camera :) = ps = ps output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg = trace = trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg sorry, trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/trace.jpg Please give me know if I can help more in resolving this bug. -- Best regards, Evgeniymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: : Setting up ccd RAID 1 Howto OpenBSD 4.1
On 2007/09/13 10:10, Raimo Niskanen wrote: By the way, I recall rumours about some other RAID implementation coming in OpenBSD 4.2. Does anyone know, just rumours? It's there, but not in GENERIC. Note the CAVEATS. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=softraid
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Theo de Raadt wrote: I recognize that writeup about the Atheros / Linux / SFLC story is a bit complex, so I wrote a very simple explanation to someone, and they liked it's clarity so much that they asked me to post it for everyone. Here it is (with a few more changes) - starting premise: you can already use the code as it is steps taken: 1. pester developer for a year to get it under another license. - get told no, repeatedly 2. climb over ethical fence 3. remove his license - get caught, look a bit stupid 4. wrap his license with your own - get caught, look really stupid 5. assert copyright under author's license, without original work - get caught, look even more stupid Right now the wireless linux developers -- aided by an entire team of evidently unskilled lawyers -- are at step 5, and we don't know what will happen next. We wait, to see what will happen. Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. As you indicated in a previous posting, this does seem to point a way to accomplish the long-desired goal of a BSD-licensed compiler set, doesn't it? Heck, using this process, I can become a coder! src/, here I come! Not sure why anyone is surprised here. They have long demonstrated their (re)definitions of commonly used words and phrases. GNUspeak: Open Source is THE WAY! (unless, of course, there's a binary blob around, which is more than sufficient) Give back to the community! (which really means, I'm the community, gimme, gimme, gimme!) Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats the hell out of taking a stand) Respect our license! (your license is not worth the bits its stored in) GPL is the way! It's our way, we'll make it your way, too. Theo's a loud-mouthed jerk! (but we'll happily benefit from his work, while we pretend to be the nice guys) Hardware vendors should respect alternative OSs! (Ok, they support mine, that's good enough) OS Diversity is good! (but My distro's bigger than yours! Damn, guys, if that's the goal, Windows wins, everyone else is a loser) Not that certain other free software people are all that much different from the Linux fannerds. Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. Nick.
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internet transfer stalls
To reproduce the stalling problem I am doing an FTP download from my
local ISP. The stalled transfer shows duplicate acks when analyzed with
wireshark expert info composite.
To rule out the hardware I used IPCop which works fine.
I thought it might be a window scaling misconfiguration but I think I
have covered the block and flags S/SA and keep state requirements on all
the pass rules. The stalling problem is worse when there is any kind of
transfer happening on the dmz.
My connection speed is 15Mbps/900Kbps
My pf.conf, dmesg and ppp.conf are listed below.
Would someone mind helping me out with this?
# MACROS
ext_if = tun0
int_if = dc0
dmz_if = rl0
lan = ...
dmz = ...
torrent = ...
tcp_services = { 22 113 }
udp_services = {}
icmp_types=echoreq
# OPTIONS
set block-policy return
set loginterface $ext_if
set skip on lo
# SCRUB
scrub in
scrub out on $ext_if max-mss 1440
# QUEUE
altq on $ext_if priq bandwidth 700Kb queue { q_pri, q_def }
queue q_pri priority 7
queue q_def priority 1 priq(default)
# NAT/RDR
nat on $ext_if from !($ext_if) - ($ext_if:0)
nat-anchor ftp-proxy/*
rdr-anchor ftp-proxy/*
rdr on $int_if proto tcp from any to any port 21 - 127.0.0.1 port 8021
rdr on $dmz_if proto tcp from any to any port 21 - 127.0.0.1 port 8021
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port - $torrent
rdr on $ext_if proto udp from any to any port - $torrent
# FILTER
block in log
block out
pass out on { $int_if, $dmz_if } flags S/SA keep state
pass out on $ext_if inet proto tcp from $ext_if to any flags S/SA keep
state queue(q_def, q_pri)
pass out on $ext_if inet proto { udp, icmp } from $ext_if to any keep
state queue(q_def, q_pri)
anchor ftp-proxy/*
antispoof quick for { lo $ext_if }
pass log on $ext_if inet proto icmp icmp-type unreach code needfrag
pass in on { $ext_if, $int_if } inet proto icmp all icmp-type
$icmp_types keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port
$tcp_services flags S/SA keep state queue(q_def, q_pri)
#pass in on $ext_if inet proto udp from any to ($ext_if) port
$udp_services keep state queue(q_def, q_pri)
pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to $torrent port flags
S/SA keep state queue(q_def, q_pri)
pass in on $ext_if inet proto udp from any to $torrent port keep
state queue(q_def, q_pri)
pass in on $int_if flags S/SA keep state
pass in on $dmz_if from any to !$lan flags S/SA keep state
--
OpenBSD 4.1 (GENERIC) #1435: Sat Mar 10 19:07:45 MST 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class, 128KB L2 cache) 903
MHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE
real mem = 133722112 (130588K)
avail mem = 114610176 (111924K)
using 1663 buffers containing 6811648 bytes (6652K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 02/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfb350,
SMBIOS rev. 2.2 @ 0xf0800 (39 entries)
bios0: EDsys Computers PENC46VG43
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown
apm0: flags 70102 dobusy 1 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0xb7d8
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfded0/144 (7 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 10 11 12
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 (VIA VT82C596A ISA rev
0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1
acpi at mainbus0 not configured
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA VT82C691 PCI rev 0x44
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT82C598 AGP rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA Vanta rev 0x15
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 VIA VT82C596A ISA rev 0x12
pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 VIA VT82C571 IDE rev 0x06: ATA66,
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to
compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD800BB-00BSA0
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 76319MB, 156301488 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: HL-DT-ST, DVD-ROM GDR8162B, 0015 SCSI0
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x08: irq 10
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
VIA VT82C596 Power rev 0x20 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 not configured
dc0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 DEC 21142/3 rev 0x41: irq 11, address
00:40:f4:66:84:e2
sqphy0 at dc0 phy 17: Seeq 84220 10/100 PHY, rev. 0
rl0 at pci0 dev 9
Re: Clarifications about /dev devices
I'd like to know why /dev/cd0a and /dev/rcd0a device files (at my machine) refer to the same physical device, given that one is not a symlink to the other one, and vice-versa, and also given that cd0a is a block device and rcd0a is a character device. The kernel handles two kinds of device nodes: ``block'' devices and ``character'' devices. The major numbers of these devices are platform-dependant, and must match the bdevsw[] and cdevsw[] arrays in sys/arch/platform/platform/conf.c. Storage devices can be accessed either as block devices or character devices, hence they have one entry in each of these tables. Their major numbers do not need to match since these are completely independant numbering spaces. Miod
Clarifications about /dev devices
Hi all, I'd like to know why /dev/cd0a and /dev/rcd0a device files (at my machine) refer to the same physical device, given that one is not a symlink to the other one, and vice-versa, and also given that cd0a is a block device and rcd0a is a character device. Thanks in advance. -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:09:09AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. I have to point out that I have been told on this list by a GPL fan that the dictionary definition of freedom isn't correct. He was so friendly to ask me who the hell I was to tell him what freedom means. Freedom for him did mean free + random rules. For all the great things the GPL has done its followers really could do some reading on that whole definition of words thing. This copyright thing is a complete debacle and shows just how disingenuous some of the linux people are. There is no way I buy that the lawyers involved do not understand what they are doing. As a fan of the following quote: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence -- Napoleon Bonaparte I do not buy that the FSF (yes I said it) lawyers do not understand copyright law. Nobody with a degree in law is that stupid therefore I have to conclude that there is malice involved. The FSF should take a deep breath and apologize to Reyk, apologize to Theo, apologize to OpenBSD and apologize to the open source community at large.
Re: D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report
Hi, I got a panic recently, too, after trying to insert my CF card into the cf reader, which seems to be connected to pcmcia. As we discussed on IRC it seems to have something in common. Maybe it's the same reason? The trace seems identical. I submitted a bug report... maybe somebody can see some similarities or use this additional information for more hints how to try to fix it: http://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5577 Regards, Julian On 13:00 Thu 13 Sep , Evgeniy Sudyr wrote: Hello Evgeniy, Thursday, September 13, 2007, 10:41:53 AM, you wrote: Hello all, I bought D-Link G650 (ath) - which is present in http://openbsd.org/i386.html list. When I put this card into my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S6157) and try boot -current (GENERIC) I get panic message at the end of boot. = panic message = # panic: pmap_remove_ptes: managed page without PG_PVLIST for 0xe6481000 Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave = panic message = = show registers = ds 0x10 es 0xd210 kernel_text+0x10 fs 0xe6430058 gs 0xe643 edi 0xd06a2200 i386_cpuid_ecxfeatures+0x780 esi 0xe6436b08 ebp 0xe6436adc ebx 0 edx 0 ecx 0xd074fa64 kprintf_mutex eax 0x1 eip 0xd045ee6c Debugger+0x4 cs 0x8 eflags 0x202 esp 0xe6436adc ss 0xe6430010 Debugger+0x4: leave = show registers = I don't have serial console for trace and ps output, but I have Photo Camera :) = ps = ps output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg = trace = trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg sorry, trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/trace.jpg Please give me know if I can help more in resolving this bug. -- Best regards, Evgeniymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clarifications about /dev devices
Thanks folks. On 9/13/07, Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know why /dev/cd0a and /dev/rcd0a device files (at my machine) refer to the same physical device, given that one is not a symlink to the other one, and vice-versa, and also given that cd0a is a block device and rcd0a is a character device. The kernel handles two kinds of device nodes: ``block'' devices and ``character'' devices. The major numbers of these devices are platform-dependant, and must match the bdevsw[] and cdevsw[] arrays in sys/arch/platform/platform/conf.c. Storage devices can be accessed either as block devices or character devices, hence they have one entry in each of these tables. Their major numbers do not need to match since these are completely independant numbering spaces. Miod -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Show your appreciation and get your 4.2 DVD
On 9/11/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are no DVDs, it's only CDs but they come in a DVD-case. That is why people call it 'DVD's. Thank you so much :-) I just placed my first ever order by a friend's credit card. Kind Regards Siju
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: help needed with laptop hdd]
Hi, My X40 disk also died two month ago. All attempts to find that somehow special 1.8 NONE-ZIF connector disk failed so far. I saw that Henning has the same problem and already asked on misc@ for such a disk. If somebody has another of those for me, it would be most helpfull. Using the X40 with an attached USB disk is not that portable, and the X40 is a good hacking toy for Cardbus (wireless ;) devices ... I'm located in Switzerland / Basel. Thanks, Marcus - Forwarded message from Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: help needed with laptop hdd Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:48:31 +0200 X-PGP-Key: 3A83DF32 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Hi, unfortunately the harddisk in my X40 died. And even worse, I just learned that the disk in the X40 is kind of special. It is a 1.8 hard disk that does NOT use the ZIF connector (these are somewhat common) but the same 44pin connector 2.5 disks use. 1.8 disks with that connector have only ever been made by Hitachi. I have looked for a disk up and down all day without success. So, if anyone is able to kind-of quickly get me a Hitachi HTC426060G9AT00, that would be most welcome and would allow me to hack when I am at home again ;( I am in Hamburg/Germany, btw. Thanks. Henning - End forwarded message - -- Marcus Glocker, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report
Hello, I have a similar, if not identical, pcmcia problem on my lenovo thinkpad x60s: http://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5239 kind regards, - - Didier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian Leyh Sent: 13 September 2007 14:59 To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: D-Link DWL-650 CardBus crash report Hi, I got a panic recently, too, after trying to insert my CF card into the cf reader, which seems to be connected to pcmcia. As we discussed on IRC it seems to have something in common. Maybe it's the same reason? The trace seems identical. I submitted a bug report... maybe somebody can see some similarities or use this additional information for more hints how to try to fix it: http://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5577 Regards, Julian On 13:00 Thu 13 Sep , Evgeniy Sudyr wrote: Hello Evgeniy, Thursday, September 13, 2007, 10:41:53 AM, you wrote: Hello all, I bought D-Link G650 (ath) - which is present in http://openbsd.org/i386.html list. When I put this card into my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S6157) and try boot -current (GENERIC) I get panic message at the end of boot. = panic message = # panic: pmap_remove_ptes: managed page without PG_PVLIST for 0xe6481000 Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave = panic message = = show registers = ds 0x10 es 0xd210 kernel_text+0x10 fs 0xe6430058 gs 0xe643 edi 0xd06a2200 i386_cpuid_ecxfeatures+0x780 esi 0xe6436b08 ebp 0xe6436adc ebx 0 edx 0 ecx 0xd074fa64 kprintf_mutex eax 0x1 eip 0xd045ee6c Debugger+0x4 cs 0x8 eflags 0x202 esp 0xe6436adc ss 0xe6430010 Debugger+0x4: leave = show registers = I don't have serial console for trace and ps output, but I have Photo Camera :) = ps = ps output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg = trace = trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/ps.jpg sorry, trace output there http://eject.name/openbsd/trace.jpg Please give me know if I can help more in resolving this bug. -- Best regards, Evgeniymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: help needed with laptop hdd]
On 2007/09/13 15:25, Marcus Glocker wrote: My X40 disk also died two month ago. All attempts to find that somehow special 1.8 NONE-ZIF connector disk failed so far. I saw that Henning has the same problem and already asked on misc@ for such a disk. If somebody has another of those for me, it would be most helpfull. Using the X40 with an attached USB disk is not that portable, and the X40 is a good hacking toy for Cardbus (wireless ;) devices ... a 2.5 HD carrier is available for the X4 Ultrabase. it's not ideal (it adds a lot of weight and doubles the thickness) but it beats USB... if anyone comes across a batch of these drives (1.8 44-pin travelstar; they have been discontinued), pipe up, I am sure there are some other developers with these machines that might want to pick up a spare.
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: help needed with laptop hdd]
Henning Brauer wrote: * Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-13 16:05]: if anyone comes across a batch of these drives (1.8 44-pin travelstar; they have been discontinued), pipe up, I am sure there are some other developers with these machines that might want to pick up a spare. given the sheer count of X40s in use by developers, it is a safe bet to assume there are some going be be needed somewhat soon. You can find some here (via a Swiss pricecheck site ): http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_103419.html Noth
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: help needed with laptop hdd]
On 2007/09/13 16:59, nothingness wrote: You can find some here (via a Swiss pricecheck site ): http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_103419.html those are zif. the following are the 44-pin ones: HTC424020F7AT00 08K1394 1.820GBATA-5 HTC424040F9AT00 08K1393 1.840GBATA-5 HTC426020G7AT00 08K1532 1.820GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426030G7AT00 08K1531 1.830GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426040G9AT00 08K1530 1.840GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426060G9AT00 08K1529 1.860GBATA-6 (IDE)
lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
My OpenBSD 4.0 mail filter (running amavisd-new) has been up and running well for 70 days. I received a complaint of delays this morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running. Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened? - Juan Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Re: lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
Juan Miscaro wrote: My OpenBSD 4.0 mail filter (running amavisd-new) has been up and running well for 70 days. I received a complaint of delays this morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running. Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened? From spamd(8), -G, whitelisted entries are dropped if the IP address does not send again within 36 days. Could the new messages have come from a different IP address? Or was the last message sent more than 36 days ago?
Re: lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running. Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened? Whitelist entries do expire after a while (a little more than a month by default, if I remember correctly, but it's a tuneable). That's a likely explanation, unless of course those servers have been sending you mail at shorter intervals. For known good (or important, infrequent, impatient, or a few other varieties we'll skip here for brevity) senders it pays to whitelist by hand using either spamdb or by setting up a way around spamdb such as having a no rdr rule for members of your knowngood table. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
spamlogd not only needs to be running, but it needs to
see the connections - your pf rules need to log them correctly.
The best way to see if this is happening is to fire
off some debug level syslogging, and see if spamlogd is logging lines
for the hosts that connect in. You should see lines like this where
your debug level syslogs are going.
Sep 13 07:03:49 mailcarp1 spamlogd[16523]: inbound 199.185.137.3
if you don't spamlogd ain't seeing them. check your pf rules.
* Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-13 09:38]:
My OpenBSD 4.0 mail filter (running amavisd-new) has been up and
running well for 70 days. I received a complaint of delays this
morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by
spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running.
Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened?
- Juan
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Re: lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0400, Juan Miscaro wrote: My OpenBSD 4.0 mail filter (running amavisd-new) has been up and running well for 70 days. I received a complaint of delays this morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running. Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened? As Craig Peter mention, whitelisted server do expire. The defaults are sensible, but do not apply for everyone. One server I deal with is one such case, and I've increased the whitelist expiry in the -G option to almost double the default. This has worked fine. You should also check that you are logging in pf for port 25, and that spamlogd is seeing it and updating the timestamps on your whitelist entries. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: help needed with laptop hdd]
* Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-13 17:25]: On 2007/09/13 16:59, nothingness wrote: You can find some here (via a Swiss pricecheck site ): http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_103419.html i found countless price comparision sites listing them. and then either ZIF or listed without a dealer actually offering them or dealers that don't exist any more. those are zif. the following are the 44-pin ones: HTC424020F7AT00 08K1394 1.820GBATA-5 HTC424040F9AT00 08K1393 1.840GBATA-5 HTC426020G7AT00 08K1532 1.820GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426030G7AT00 08K1531 1.830GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426040G9AT00 08K1530 1.840GBATA-6 (IDE) HTC426060G9AT00 08K1529 1.860GBATA-6 (IDE) the last one in the list is the one to look for :) -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:48:46AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:09:09AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. I have to point out that I have been told on this list by a GPL fan that the dictionary definition of freedom isn't correct. He was so friendly to ask me who the hell I was to tell him what freedom means. Freedom for him did mean free + random rules. For all the great things the GPL has done its followers really could do some reading on that whole definition of words thing. This copyright thing is a complete debacle and shows just how disingenuous some of the linux people are. There is no way I buy that the lawyers involved do not understand what they are doing. As a fan of the following quote: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence -- Napoleon Bonaparte I do not buy that the FSF (yes I said it) lawyers do not understand copyright law. Nobody with a degree in law is that stupid therefore I have to conclude that there is malice involved. The FSF should take a deep breath and apologize to Reyk, apologize to Theo, apologize to OpenBSD and apologize to the open source community at large. While reading this I got a mail that OpenSolaris released the adapted version of our malo(4) driver. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/malo/ Second sentence on the page is: This driver is based on the source code from OpenBSD, and is provided under the same BSD-type License. So companies are bad and only true open source is good. Ja ja, sure. -- :wq Claudio
Re: unix on lenovos
On 9/13/07, Julian Leyh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20:52 Wed 12 Sep , Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: You'll notice that Mark Kohut (Lenovo's worldwide analyst) cannot tell the difference between linux and BSD (both freebsd and openbsd fall in the category of linux) but, in any case, maybe you feel like clicking the OpenBSD entry... I did Well, only FreeBSD was in the initial set of answers. OpenBSD was added by somebody else, as you can see from the footnote. BTW, I voted for OpenBSD, too. But I think, Ubuntu already has too much to catch up. Why is it about catching up? I don't understand the community at large's (the free software community's, that is) flawed mindset that one or a couple of distributions or flavors of operating systems have to be supported, or that one has to be ahead of the other. It's obvious that people don't get the big picture when you see users of different LInux distributions arguing about which _distributions_ should be supported; don't they get that they share a common kernel, and they can *all* be supported? Likewise for the idiots that say support FreeBSD or support OpenBSD. Open up and release specs and documentation, and suddenly EveryBSD is supported. The userbase should be communicating with the vendor in a way that makes it clear that everyone can win if they produce documents and specs, or choose components for their products that are well supported already in the open source community. Arguing back and forth about which flavor you have a religious preference for only sends a signal to Lenovo that supporting open source is complicated, takes too much work, and makes them want to forget about it. DS
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On 9/13/07, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FSF should take a deep breath and apologize to Reyk, apologize to Theo, apologize to OpenBSD and apologize to the open source community at large. While reading this I got a mail that OpenSolaris released the adapted version of our malo(4) driver. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/malo/ Second sentence on the page is: This driver is based on the source code from OpenBSD, and is provided under the same BSD-type License. Bravo. DS
Re: lost whitelisted hosts with spamd
--- Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spamlogd not only needs to be running, but it needs to see the connections - your pf rules need to log them correctly. The best way to see if this is happening is to fire off some debug level syslogging, and see if spamlogd is logging lines for the hosts that connect in. You should see lines like this where your debug level syslogs are going. Sep 13 07:03:49 mailcarp1 spamlogd[16523]: inbound 199.185.137.3 if you don't spamlogd ain't seeing them. check your pf rules. * Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-13 09:38]: My OpenBSD 4.0 mail filter (running amavisd-new) has been up and running well for 70 days. I received a complaint of delays this morning. Indeed, I see that servers which had been whitelisted by spamd were no longer so. I verified that spamlogd is still running. Does anyone have any ideas how this could have happened? Let it be known that everything was working in the past 70 days as well as when I inspected the server due to the complaints. I simply lost a lot of my dynamicallly whitelisted hosts (if not all of them; not sure). So I am currently re-validating senders right now. I did find a mention of possible corruption of the spamdb database in the changelog for 4.1 - 4.2: RELIABILITY FIX: Bugs in spamd(8) could corrupt the database. I'm not sure if I have fallen victim to this. - Juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca
moving location of passwd, master.passwd and group file
Hi All I am trying to read-only the system but having a seperate location rw In order to do this, I want to re-locate the user account files so accounts can still be added when in read-only mode. I have tried doing ln -s /confs/passwd /etc/passwd etc.. but when I try to create an account it fails with PAM or something. Any suggestions on what I require to do this? I've been looking but hadn't found an answer to this, likely because i'm crazy for trying but thats the point. Thanks James
Re: moving location of passwd, master.passwd and group file
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, James Mackinnon wrote: I am trying to read-only the system but having a seperate location rw In order to do this, I want to re-locate the user account files so accounts can still be added when in read-only mode. I have tried doing ln -s /confs/passwd /etc/passwd etc.. but when I try to create an account it fails with PAM or something. Any suggestions on what I require to do this? I've been looking but hadn't found an answer to this, likely because i'm crazy for trying but thats the point. Also /etc/pwd.db and /etc/spwd.db. The paths are defined in /usr/include/pwd.h: #define _PATH_PASSWD/etc/passwd #define _PATH_MASTERPASSWD /etc/master.passwd #define _PATH_MASTERPASSWD_LOCK /etc/ptmp #define _PATH_MP_DB /etc/pwd.db #define _PATH_SMP_DB/etc/spwd.db What is the exact error message you are receiving? Use ktrace if your error message is vague to get more details. Jeremy C. Reed
ipsec.conf - format of key specification
What is the proper format for entering manual keys directly into the ipsec.conf file? Test file ipsec.test: esp from 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.1.1 \ spi 0x1011:0x1010 \ auth hmac-sha1 enc aes \ authkey 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890 \ enckey 12345678901234567890123456789012 \ # ipsecctl -n -f ipsec.test ipsec.test: 5: no authentication key specified ipsecctl: Syntax error in config file: ipsec rules not loaded The same happens if the key is specified: 12345678901234567890123456789012 0x12345678901234567890123456789012 0x12345678901234567890123456789012 The man page only specifies a 'hexadecimal string'. The same thing happens if the key is entered into a file and the 'authkey file' directive is used. Any help would be appreciated. -- Jeff Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simmons Consulting - Network Engineering, Administration, Security You guys, I don't hear any noise. Are you sure you're doing it right? -- My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
[Possibly OT] 16-bit Assembly Programming
Hello all, I am attempting to create an assembly program (for a class) on OpenBSD. The teacher has no issue with me developing the code based on the UNIX-based assembly (int 0x80 syscalls vs. int 0x21 Dos Function), but he does not want me to use 32-bit code. I believe this has something to do with him wanting me to use a Real-addressing Mode as opposed to the 32-bit protected mode. I'm doing x86 assembly. Now, I can create nice and working 32-bit OpenBSD elf executables using yasm and so on. It took a bit of work to understand how to do it, but other than that, it works fine. Now, the issue I am having is that I can't figure out how to instead write 16-bit code. Basically, the teacher should be happy if I don't use the extended registers. Reading in the Yasm documentation, I found the BITS directive, and also the note that it should not be necessary to use this directive, since the object file format I choose should automatically handle this. The `obj' format was indicated as one of the file formats that I should use. However, the yasm assembler in OpenBSD does not have that as a valid format. Also, there seems to be no way to generate 16-bit OpenBSD executables. Is this true? My basic question is, how can I create an assembly program using that will run on OpenBSD that is 16-bit (that is, using only the non-extended registers)? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as searching online has confused me royally as to whether this is even possible or not. It seems like it should be. -- ((name Aaron Hsu) (email/xmpp [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (phone 703-597-7656) (site http://www.aaronhsu.com;))
Re: Traduz pra mim
Sorry Folks! On 9/13/07, Joco Salvatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ola Pessoa da lista, Em qual arquivo do OpenBSD eu defino o major number para os dispositivos (device e pseudo-device)? Pesquisei em varias fontes a mais prsximo foi a do NetBSD que diz que os major numbers ficam em /usr/src/sys/conf/majors. Mas nco encontrei este arquivo nas fontes do OpenBSD! Sds Tmtulo: Definigco do major number no OpenBSD -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unix on lenovos
On 9/13/07, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/07, Julian Leyh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20:52 Wed 12 Sep , Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: You'll notice that Mark Kohut (Lenovo's worldwide analyst) cannot tell the difference between linux and BSD (both freebsd and openbsd fall in the category of linux) but, in any case, maybe you feel like clicking the OpenBSD entry... I did Well, only FreeBSD was in the initial set of answers. OpenBSD was added by somebody else, as you can see from the footnote. BTW, I voted for OpenBSD, too. But I think, Ubuntu already has too much to catch up. Why is it about catching up? Exactly. Which is why I voted for the generic non-binary blob OS choice. Not that it matters because these types of surveys are usually just irrelevant fodder for fanboys. Greg -- Ticketmaster and Ticketweb suck, but everyone knows that: http://ticketmastersucks.org Dethink to survive - Mclusky
Traduz pra mim
Ola Pessoa da lista, Em qual arquivo do OpenBSD eu defino o major number para os dispositivos (device e pseudo-device)? Pesquisei em varias fontes a mais prsximo foi a do NetBSD que diz que os major numbers ficam em /usr/src/sys/conf/majors. Mas nco encontrei este arquivo nas fontes do OpenBSD! Sds Tmtulo: Definigco do major number no OpenBSD
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: GNUspeak: These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and eleet because they read Slashdot, but to imply the GNU project espouses these views is, quite frankly, slanderous. Give back to the community! (which really means, I'm the community, gimme, gimme, gimme!) There may be some in the free software movement that think like this, but this is far from a majority view. Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats the hell out of taking a stand) Again, Richard Stallman's famous speech makes it clear monetary charge is not the reason for the free software movement. Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. You know, it's fine if you hate the GPL. But I'll be damned if I just sit here and let you spread outright Goddamned *lies* about the free software movement and the people that represent it. I'm not cheap. I'm not greedy. All I am after, is the freedom to use my computer the way I want to without Microsoft, Apple, Google, AOL, Adobe, Real, or other large companies being able to step in and say no you can't do that, it's not in our (financial) best interests to let you. For me, it's always been about freedom. I would think for most of the free software movement that truly knows what's going on, it *is* about freedom. While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's perfectly legal. Even though BSD-style licenses are compatible with the GPL, there are perfectly acceptable social goals achieved only by releasing under the GPL or a similar license. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Definition of the major number under OpenBSD
Hi all, In which OpenBSD file do I define the major number for devices (both regular and pseudo-device)? I have searched in several sources, and the closest answer was for NetBSD, which says that major numbers are in /usr/src/sys/conf/majors. But I have not found this file in OpenBSD sources. Thanks in advance for the explanation. -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://www.openbsd-pa.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On 9/13/07, Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: GNUspeak: These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and eleet because they read Slashdot, but to imply the GNU project espouses these views is, quite frankly, slanderous. Give back to the community! (which really means, I'm the community, gimme, gimme, gimme!) There may be some in the free software movement that think like this, but this is far from a majority view. Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats the hell out of taking a stand) Again, Richard Stallman's famous speech makes it clear monetary charge is not the reason for the free software movement. Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. You know, it's fine if you hate the GPL. But I'll be damned if I just sit here and let you spread outright Goddamned *lies* about the free software movement and the people that represent it. I'm not cheap. I'm not greedy. All I am after, is the freedom to use my computer the way I want to without Microsoft, Apple, Google, AOL, Adobe, Real, or other large companies being able to step in and say no you can't do that, it's not in our (financial) best interests to let you. For me, it's always been about freedom. I would think for most of the free software movement that truly knows what's going on, it *is* about freedom. Before you embark on your storm in a teacup, re-read (and re-read again if you still don't get it) Nick's message. It's clear you missed/misunderstood half of the points he was making. DS
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 12:32 -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: Before you embark on your storm in a teacup, re-read (and re-read again if you still don't get it) Nick's message. It's clear you missed/misunderstood half of the points he was making. 1) I'm on the list, no need to CC me. 2) Like, duh, I understand perfectly well what his point is: to slander the GNU project and its users. I re-read the message several times before replying. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Definition of the major number under OpenBSD
In which OpenBSD file do I define the major number for devices (both regular and pseudo-device)? I have searched in several sources, and the closest answer was for NetBSD, which says that major numbers are in /usr/src/sys/conf/majors. But I have not found this file in OpenBSD sources. Noone builds new block devices anymore (in OpenBSD, we instead write drivers which hide behind the scsi subsystem, since this is more flexible). As for strictly character devices, these are inserted per-architecture into the cdevsw[] arrays in arch/ARCH/ARCH/conf.c. At the same time, /usr/src/etc/etc.ARCH/MAKEDEV* have to be modified to create the device nodes. There is no need to keep the major numbers in sync between different architectures. Actually because of many historical reasons, it is impossible.
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
2) Like, duh, I understand perfectly well what his point is: to slander the GNU project and its users. I re-read the message several times before replying. out in the slashdot crowd, there is a trend to say anything neccessary to get what they want, including explaining away actual law and ethics. how do they get to the point of saying such things? it is a gimme gimme gimme culture. the letters written in the GPL and the BSD and the laws that underpin those licenses mean nothing in the face of gimme gimme gimme. if the GPL had words which would take away from them, they would attempt to explain those words away. noone is slandering those users. they're calling them what they are -- greedy and self-serving and wrong.
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Wednesday 12 September 2007 22:57, Theo de Raadt wrote: Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. Except he took most of it from Sam Leffler who said it is OK to license under the GPL. So while it's good to see you defending your code, it was not entirely yours to start with. Thus you see all the horrible GPL community rip you off. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Re: ipsec.conf - format of key specification
On 2007/09/13 11:43, Jeff Simmons wrote: What is the proper format for entering manual keys directly into the ipsec.conf file? Test file ipsec.test: esp from 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.1.1 \ spi 0x1011:0x1010 \ auth hmac-sha1 enc aes \ authkey 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890 \ enckey 12345678901234567890123456789012 \ I think the doc is lacking here. When you use the spi 0x:0x format to setup bidirectional flows in one ipsec.conf rule, you need to specify one key for each spi, separated by a : See /usr/src/regress/sbin/ipsecctl/sa7.in for an example.
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. Except he took most of it from Sam Leffler who said it is OK to license under the GPL. So while it's good to see you defending your code, it was not entirely yours to start with. Reyk's work (the replacement HAL) is in seperate files -- it is a seperately copyrighted work. Stop trolling and learn the how the law works.
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:07:38PM -0400, steve szmidt wrote: On Wednesday 12 September 2007 22:57, Theo de Raadt wrote: Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. Except he took most of it from Sam Leffler who said it is OK to license under the GPL. So while it's good to see you defending your code, it was not entirely yours to start with. Thus you see all the horrible GPL community rip you off. You are so wrong that it is not even funny anymore. Reyk's OpenHAL code was completely reverse engeneered because Sam Leffler's HAL code was closed source. So how can it be based on his code if it is not available? -- :wq Claudio
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 02:08:21PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: | On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: | GNUspeak: | | These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be | views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and | eleet because they read Slashdot, but to imply the GNU project | espouses these views is, quite frankly, slanderous. | | Give back to the community! (which really means, I'm the community, | gimme, gimme, gimme!) | | There may be some in the free software movement that think like this, | but this is far from a majority view. I doubt you have numbers to back this up (just like I doubt anyone else has numbers to back up Nicks remark, btw). | Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats | the hell out of taking a stand) | | Again, Richard Stallman's famous speech makes it clear monetary charge | is not the reason for the free software movement. I may know the wrong people, but for me, most linux users I know are in it for the low price and the 'fuck microsoft' attitude. They don't really care about freedom. They have the freedom (and the money) to pick and choose any OS and software they like, be it GPL licensed, BSD licensed or EULA-plastered MS-code. They enjoy the finger they think they flick at microsoft by using linux but they'll install all the binary-only software they want in a heartbeat if it suits their needs. RMS' free software movement may not be about finances, but both you and I don't know what Joe Blow the Linux user is in it for. I can only speak for myself and the people I've spoken to about this, and in my little world, Nicks words match more closely what I've heard than yours. | Free software: It's all about the price. | The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep | them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. | At least for an awful lot of 'em. | | You know, it's fine if you hate the GPL. But I'll be damned if I just | sit here and let you spread outright Goddamned *lies* about the free | software movement and the people that represent it. Note Nicks At least for an awful lot of 'em. I've come to think the same *in my part of the world*. It's not lies, it's what Nick (probably, I don't want to put words in Nicks mouth) and I have found. I know there are Linux users who're in it for the freedom. Quite a lot are, I suppose. | I'm not cheap. I'm not greedy. All I am after, is the freedom to use my | computer the way I want to without Microsoft, Apple, Google, AOL, Adobe, | Real, or other large companies being able to step in and say no you | can't do that, it's not in our (financial) best interests to let you. | For me, it's always been about freedom. I would think for most of the | free software movement that truly knows what's going on, it *is* about | freedom. I'm not cheap or greedy either. I try to support OpenBSD development as much as I can. I try to test patches, I try to fix bugs (since I usually am unable to, I write up a bugreport), I buy the releases and t-shirts, I make financial donations and I send hardware around the world when developers ask for it. I do work for one of the companies you mentioned but I won't say your remark is slanderous or an outright lie. But I do hope you can appreciate that, at least for my employer, my view is different from yours. And for the people I know, my view is different from yours too. We may both be in favour of software freedom in one form or antoher, but our opinions can still be different. No need to cry wolf when someone says something you don't like. | While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed | code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share | alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's | perfectly legal. Even though BSD-style licenses are compatible with the | GPL, there are perfectly acceptable social goals achieved only by | releasing under the GPL or a similar license. I'd say that it goes against the GPL. Yes, the GPL, not the BSD license (or the ISC license), GPL. Theo already quoted the relevant bits, but I'll quote them again : For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. Your 'perfectly acceptable social goals' which can only be achieved by releasing code under the GPL are fine by me. I respect these goals even though they're not my own. But why not write your own code then ? The BSD license is permissive enough to have code released under it be incorporated in GPL licensed software. Why must the BSD licensed code be the vehicle for your 'perfectly acceptable social goals' ? And why, then, can bugfixes etc. not be fed back to the original developers under the
Perl segfault on 3.7
Hello list, We recently updated a 3.7 machine running awstat(perl) to parse all our websites logs with the biggest being around 1GB. When parsing the big log it randomly segfaults on 4.1, 3.9 and 3.8, we tried new clean release installs and it still segfaults. On 3.7 it works flawlessly, on 3.8 which has the same perl version as 3.7 (5.8.6) it still segfaults. The problem is completely random but it tends to happen after its been running for a while as it doesnt happen on small logs (or the probability for it to happen on those files is too low ) As the trace below (from the perl.core) shows, it's an out of bounds problem, then we remember about a change on 3.8: malloc(3) has been rewritten to use the mmap(2) system call, introducing unpredictable allocation addresses and guard pages, which helps in detecting heap based buffer overflows and prevents various types of attacks. Could this be what's causing perl to segfault on post 3.7? We ruled out a problem with awstat or the log as it doesnt happen on 3.7 at all with the same log/awstat/perl. (gdb) bt #0 0x0b5626e8 in memmove () from /usr/lib/libc.so.40.3 #1 0x02385ed7 in Perl_sv_setpvn (sv=0x1, ptr=0x7ccb400a Address 0x7ccb400a out of bounds, len=1) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/sv.c:4181 #2 0x0238ef16 in Perl_magic_get (sv=0x7e6b2660, mg=0x22377b1e) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/mg.c:788 #3 0x0238e56d in Perl_mg_get (sv=0x7e6b2660) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/mg.c:169 #4 0x0238490d in Perl_sv_2bool (sv=0x7e6b2660) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/sv.c:3411 #5 0x0239bed4 in Perl_pp_or () at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/pp_hot.c:339 #6 0x023cc4d9 in Perl_runops_standard () at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/run.c:37 #7 0x023b24ff in S_run_body (oldscope=1) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl.c:2368 #8 0x023b2453 in perl_run (my_perl=0x8968a000) at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl.c:2285 #9 0x1c0012a6 in main () Thanks, Alejandro.
Re: Strange Lock-ups with Opera?
* Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070912 02:45]: On Wednesday 12 September 2007 08:41:26 Greg Thomas wrote: I don't have much to add other than I experience the same thing with many Flash sites. Same here only it does not happen only with flash sites. Sometimes, just starting opera and going to google.com is enough to hang... Never looked into it... A bit late too the discussion, but I have a similar issue with Opera on OpenBSD. As with yourself, I don't even have to go to a Flash-based site and Opera randomly freezes. Oddly though, it only freezes when used on the machine it's installed on, an Athlon 1.2 GHz T-bird. When I use Opera from the same machine, but X-forwarded via SSH on another machine also running OpenBSD, it _never_ freezes. :-\ The *other* machine being a P233. How weird is that? :-) -- W. Steven Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Shawn K. Quinn Wrote: You know, it's fine if you hate the GPL. But I'll be damned if I just sit here and let you spread outright Goddamned *lies* about the free software movement and the people that represent it. GPL is just a license, hate is a too strong word for it. We usually prefer to point out that it is not free (enough). There are people that represent the free software movement, and there are people that take the words of the GNU project and twist the meanings to suit themselves. This is what Nick illustrated, and quite nicely, I think. I'm not cheap. I'm not greedy. All I am after, is the freedom to use my computer the way I want to without Microsoft, Apple, Google, AOL, Adobe, Real, or other large companies being able to step in and say no you can't do that, it's not in our (financial) best interests to let you. For me, it's always been about freedom. I would think for most of the free software movement that truly knows what's going on, it *is* about freedom. Why take it so personally. It is not GPL or GNU that is being attacked here. There are always those that are misled or even malicious in every community. Sometimes it is just a lack of knowledge, or being overeager to achieve the goals. Such problems should be pointed out so that they can be fixed. What surprises me the most is the resistance from the community to recognize that something they did was wrong. There seems to be a lack of independent thought, most people are blindly repeating each other without forming an opinion themselves. Those people that care about freedom and open source and GNU is supposed to be an intelligent, open minded, community right? Otherwise they would just use Windows or whatever. While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's perfectly legal. Even though BSD-style licenses are compatible with the GPL, there are perfectly acceptable social goals achieved only by releasing under the GPL or a similar license. You are talking about derivative works here. Not every modification is considered original and comprehensive enough to deserve its own copyright. Otherwise, it would be just a matter of re-arranging and splitting code, renaming functions and variables, and there, you have a BSD licensed gcc (bcc?) Think about it ... Can -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.
Re: Perl segfault on 3.7
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 05:25:32PM -0300, Alejandro Lozanoff wrote: Hello list, re We recently updated a 3.7 machine running awstat(perl) to parse all our websites logs with the biggest being around 1GB. When parsing the big log it randomly segfaults on 4.1, 3.9 and 3.8, we tried new clean release installs and it still segfaults. On 3.7 it works flawlessly, on 3.8 which has the same perl version as 3.7 (5.8.6) it still segfaults. The problem is completely random but it tends to happen after its been running for a while as it doesnt happen on small logs (or the probability for it to happen on those files is too low ) As the trace below (from the perl.core) shows, it's an out of bounds problem, then we remember about a change on 3.8: malloc(3) has been rewritten to use the mmap(2) system call, introducing unpredictable allocation addresses and guard pages, which helps in detecting heap based buffer overflows and prevents various types of attacks. yes. this increases memory fragmentation immensly resulting in (practically) less virtual space available for data. as an increased penalty (200-300%) for cpu consuption on processes w/ lots (20M and more) malloc(3)ed memory... as well increased demand for the physical memory that on the overcommiting nature of it you perhaps observe. a way around it is only to use perl malloc (sbrk-based) cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
| While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed | code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share | alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's | perfectly legal. Even though BSD-style licenses are compatible with the | GPL, there are perfectly acceptable social goals achieved only by | releasing under the GPL or a similar license. I'd say that it goes against the GPL. Yes, the GPL, not the BSD license (or the ISC license), GPL. Theo already quoted the relevant bits, but I'll quote them again : For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. 1. that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit 2. 4 paragraphs below you read: The precise terms and conditions for copying, distribution and modification follow. 3. later on you learn the precise term which is under the terms of this License So no, you're wrong. Don't bother defending your point of view, it's a waste of time to both of us, more to you who will write it. :) Rui -- P'tang! Today is Sweetmorn, the 37th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
I have been very quiet on this for weeks now, but this really start to piss me off at the highest level! The bottom line is original work was stolen and copyrights are not respected period! Dance as much as you want around it, hide behind lawyers, word definition twisted, false pretend, what not! The facts remains. Any half brain, even with a lobotomy on top of that can get that! Even a monkey knows when you give him a banana and when he steal it! I guess this gives us a reference point here to compare it to. This really make me loose any kind of respect what so ever for the FSF, SFLC, GNU and what I will have to call now the Evil GPL side all together. It never been my favorite choice, but I respected it before and understood why someone would pick that license, now, more and more not only do I dislike it, lost respect for it's use and now start to hate it badly too. Where will it stop! I for now now know for sure. I will never release anything under GPL EVER!!! Or even promote it's use. I see no good from it and no good intentions either from it's defenders anymore. Look to me they are pretending to protect against the evil Micro$oft empire and others, but look to me big time now that even Micro$oft is the nice guy here. Even Solaris and Sun finally start to see the light and come slowly on the right side. At a minimum, the evil Micro$oft like GPL clan likes to call them, respect the copyrights and you can see it in in their code! This piss me off so bad now that you can count me in as a partial funding source should Reyk decide to get his rights corrected and to put back the open source community where it should be. Working together for the greater good, not against one an other for the benefit of the corporation. I am sure for once they are enjoying this very much, and make no mistakes about it. The corporation have a lots more to gain to see this going down the tube, so I would see very much that they would be interested to finance such a case to discredit, destroy and remove the open source for their ways, and then get back to a hold you by the balls situation like it was many years ago! I guess this Robbery by higher drain wash power theft on one side, forget what they are fighting for! Just reminds me of many wars in the history, many times it's start for some stupid issue between two higher dictator refusing to see the common goods for their people and then after 20 years of fighting by others, everyone hate the other side, but they have no clue why they are fighting for and just keep killing, and none can tell you why it actually started! But the two dictator enjoy more power and control in the end. You want to control the mass, don't educate them, give them something to focus their thoughts and force them to fights without having the time to look back and you control them for ever. Look to me if a corporation wanted to kill the open source, they couldn't pick a better way to do it and here the GPL is walking right into it! Or may be some guys are well paid to create the problem and destroy from inside what they can't kill from outside. There was a lots of press a few years ago on how Linux was killing Micro$oft and it wasn't good for innovations and all that bullshit. Look to me, not that much anymore as it just couldn't kill it and more and more people was joining in anyway as a freedom choice. What happen to that now! Then just do what was done a very long time ago. Kill it from inside then. Le cheval de Troie Take your pick! Best, Daniel PS: Sorry for this writing and I do not want to write again on this. But rights are broken and stolen and it's wrong and needs to be corrected period!
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats the hell out of taking a stand) Again, Richard Stallman's famous speech makes it clear monetary charge is not the reason for the free software movement. At least at one time (and maybe still today), his goal was to destroy programmer's livelihoods. I have the printed, comb-binded, March 1987 Sixth Edition, version 18 of the GNU Emacs Manual. It includes the 1985/1986 version of the GNU Manifesto which says on page 244: If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs. The use of GPL itself is known to be restrictive to many. There are many documented examples of this. (Should programmers using GPL be punished?? :) Is there any legitimate example of OpenBSD's preferred license being restrictive to anyone? (I really am curious about this.)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On 9/13/07, Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the printed, comb-binded, March 1987 Sixth Edition, version 18 of the GNU Emacs Manual. It includes the 1985/1986 version of the GNU Manifesto which says on page 244: If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs. The use of GPL itself is known to be restrictive to many. There are many documented examples of this. (Should programmers using GPL be punished?? :) I think this is going out of context to the original issue, and only serves to muddy things up. Please go to the appropriate place to discuss licensing. -Tai -- This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Thursday 13 September 2007 16:19, Theo de Raadt wrote: Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. Except he took most of it from Sam Leffler who said it is OK to license under the GPL. So while it's good to see you defending your code, it was not entirely yours to start with. Reyk's work (the replacement HAL) is in seperate files -- it is a seperately copyrighted work. OK, I see that Reyk wrote it after Sam would not release it. I see that Sam seemed happy to dual license it. Though it looks clear that Jiri Slaby was wrong in stripping the license, which subsequently was not accepted by any repository. This action does not however represent the GPL community from what I can see. Stealing work from one or the other has not been evident other than some people being confused as to what came from where. Which is the chicken and which is the egg kind of thing. It is generalities which has bunches of people up in arms which of course happens when there is not enough specificity. It is pretty safe to say that most people are honest, but where misunderstanding can occur, it will. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Rui, as you are not a lawyer, you should stop to interpret any law, copyright questions or give any legal advice from your own interpretation. This will give a wrong assumption to the story. When there is a statement needed, please let talk the legals and until they give advise, you should stop your own legal advice. Maybe you don't notice it, but a wrong advice can people bring in trouble. Regards Reiner On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:25:44 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed | code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share | alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's | perfectly legal. Even though BSD-style licenses are compatible with the | GPL, there are perfectly acceptable social goals achieved only by | releasing under the GPL or a similar license. I'd say that it goes against the GPL. Yes, the GPL, not the BSD license (or the ISC license), GPL. Theo already quoted the relevant bits, but I'll quote them again : For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. 1. that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit 2. 4 paragraphs below you read: The precise terms and conditions for copying, distribution and modification follow. 3. later on you learn the precise term which is under the terms of this License So no, you're wrong. Don't bother defending your point of view, it's a waste of time to both of us, more to you who will write it. :) Rui -- P'tang! Today is Sweetmorn, the 37th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX, 4 linux distributions, and FreeBSD. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. Please keep me informed if you will, I'd love to hear the thoughts, and ideas on this possible progress. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. OpenBSD is developed by volunteers, 10 years of development, don't you think with all this man power and ability, after all these years it's time to evolve a little? I 100% Agree with you. so after 10 years of use, you should become one of those volunteers and write such a thing. Remember this is an OS, and part of the process of creating one is the evolution in making it a more simpler, and productive tool. We must rethink our ideas with these systems that they are tools to help us, not us having to work on them all the time in order to get them to do something, otherwise where is the progress and productivity in this? I remember a day when I personally sat around playing most of the time trying to get something to work, rather then getting work done, those days must end, and the tools must finally emerge as just that, TOOLS to help us accomplish something, not sitting around trying to. Personally I find driving an ncurses based install much more tedious playing than chucking a site_install script in site42.tgz, booting off the net and installing, as I've used the freebsd and SLS and ubunty and solaris and aix and blah blah blah installers. All the rest of them require more of my time in front of the keyboard. However I'm sure with your fabulous ideas your ncurses based installer for openbsd will stop that trend and be much better - since you'll be working on something that's useful to you and you are passionate about. Thank you for your time in this matter. Scott Richman Thank you for volunteering. I await your code. -Bob
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:50:31AM +0200, Reiner Jung wrote: as you are not a lawyer, you should stop to interpret any law, copyright questions or give any legal advice from your own interpretation. Go see if I'm employed by Microsoft, will you? It's in every citizen's duty to know about the law. Lawyers are merely experts who deal with it for a living. This will give a wrong assumption to the story. When there is a statement needed, please let talk the legals and until they give advise, you should stop your own legal advice. Maybe you don't notice it, but a wrong advice can people bring in trouble. Which is why on such absurd statements, like the one I corrected, I find it is a duty to clarify. Regards, Rui -- Or not. Today is Sweetmorn, the 37th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: Perl segfault on 3.7
Thanks for your explanation and quick response, however with -Uusemymalloc it segfaults almost when it starts. At least it showed that the problem comes from that way, probably the mymalloc is worse than the OpenBSD one. :P We found what appears to be a workaround on awstats. Changing $tokenquery=$1||''; to $tokenquery='?'; after we traced what was awstats running when segfaulting. It's on awstats.pl line 6574 - awstats 6.7 (build 1.892) (c) 2000-2007 Laurent Destailleur - It runs perfect and we didnt find any problem, but we don't have a clue as to why that is... We are still looking for a real solution Thanks again, Alejandro. mickey wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 05:25:32PM -0300, Alejandro Lozanoff wrote: Hello list, re We recently updated a 3.7 machine running awstat(perl) to parse all our websites logs with the biggest being around 1GB. When parsing the big log it randomly segfaults on 4.1, 3.9 and 3.8, we tried new clean release installs and it still segfaults. On 3.7 it works flawlessly, on 3.8 which has the same perl version as 3.7 (5.8.6) it still segfaults. The problem is completely random but it tends to happen after its been running for a while as it doesnt happen on small logs (or the probability for it to happen on those files is too low ) As the trace below (from the perl.core) shows, it's an out of bounds problem, then we remember about a change on 3.8: malloc(3) has been rewritten to use the mmap(2) system call, introducing unpredictable allocation addresses and guard pages, which helps in detecting heap based buffer overflows and prevents various types of attacks. yes. this increases memory fragmentation immensly resulting in (practically) less virtual space available for data. as an increased penalty (200-300%) for cpu consuption on processes w/ lots (20M and more) malloc(3)ed memory... as well increased demand for the physical memory that on the overcommiting nature of it you perhaps observe. a way around it is only to use perl malloc (sbrk-based) cu
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Rui, what have this to do with Microsoft? I assume nothing. Don't let us mix up this topic. The question here is not Microsoft again OpenBSD, Linux or ..., the point is that here nobody should give any interpretation without licensed to practice law. So let the specialist decide on the topic. As I assume you are not aware of the law in Europe and maybe not the law in Portugal, please stop to discuss until we have the facts. Everything else will end in nowhere. When you are able to show any court decision about this topic, which can prove the facts, it will be fine. Otherwise let us wait for the facts. When you not notice, the hole license issue help not the Open Source community, it support the closed source vendors to argue again OSS. When this is your target, then continue. Have a nice evening. Regards Reiner On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:58:43 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:50:31AM +0200, Reiner Jung wrote: as you are not a lawyer, you should stop to interpret any law, copyright questions or give any legal advice from your own interpretation. Go see if I'm employed by Microsoft, will you? It's in every citizen's duty to know about the law. Lawyers are merely experts who deal with it for a living. This will give a wrong assumption to the story. When there is a statement needed, please let talk the legals and until they give advise, you should stop your own legal advice. Maybe you don't notice it, but a wrong advice can people bring in trouble. Which is why on such absurd statements, like the one I corrected, I find it is a duty to clarify. Regards, Rui -- Or not. Today is Sweetmorn, the 37th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? -- Regards Reiner Jung Open Source Community and Business Consultant The-Ganghttp://www.the-gang.net/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Community Company
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Matthias Kilian wrote: Fancy curses interfaces or even high-resolution progress bars with dancing puffy animations won't change this. Speak for yourself ... my professional life would be profoundly changed by dancing puffy animations during the OpenBSD install ... :-) -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Now if you'd advice people with something better than bullshit it might be worth it. You have proven time and time again that you have no grasp whatsoever on copyright law. You have absolutely no clue and it is my duty to clarify this to the community. On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 11:58:43PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:50:31AM +0200, Reiner Jung wrote: as you are not a lawyer, you should stop to interpret any law, copyright questions or give any legal advice from your own interpretation. Go see if I'm employed by Microsoft, will you? It's in every citizen's duty to know about the law. Lawyers are merely experts who deal with it for a living. This will give a wrong assumption to the story. When there is a statement needed, please let talk the legals and until they give advise, you should stop your own legal advice. Maybe you don't notice it, but a wrong advice can people bring in trouble. Which is why on such absurd statements, like the one I corrected, I find it is a duty to clarify. Regards, Rui -- Or not. Today is Sweetmorn, the 37th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:49:26PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. [...] As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. Please keep me informed if you will, I'd love to hear the thoughts, and ideas on this possible progress. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. Oh, please. Even it it fits, it would be useless. Installation is sequential (find disks, fdisk them (on i386-like archs), disklabel them, choose install sets, install). Fancy curses interfaces or even high-resolution progress bars with dancing puffy animations won't change this. Ciao, Kili ps: this is mainly adressed to the OP, and obviously not to beck@ ;-) -- What is this? Some kind of grep bitten by a radioactive spider? -- William S. Yerazunis about the crm114 interpreter in The CRM114 Discriminator Revealed!
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Sep 13, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Bob Beck wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX, 4 linux distributions, and FreeBSD. I don't think anyone else is clamoring for it, either. I have to go back in the misc@ archives over 4 years to find any pointed complaints of the installer. Sysinstall is a bloated mess that provides no value. You're basically taking some of the afterboot(8) tasks and shoving them where they don't need to be. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. Please keep me informed if you will, I'd love to hear the thoughts, and ideas on this possible progress. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. I don't. The OpenBSD installer is a very underrated part of the overall user experience. What other OS can you install in 3 minutes flat? Keep it simple, stupid. --- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Re: UPDATE: vpnc - 0.5.1
sorry, this should go to ports@ On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 01:47:35AM +0200, Thomas Schoeller wrote: here is a updated port with all my suggestions included. On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:46:37PM +0200, Thomas Schoeller wrote: hello, runs fine for me on macppc and i386 against a Cisco Systems, Inc./VPN 3000 Concentrator Version 4.1.7.Q suggestions: - remove .orig files - install a sample split tunnel script split.sh: #!/bin/sh # this effectively disables changes to /etc/resolv.conf INTERNAL_IP4_DNS= # This sets up split networking regardless # of the concentrators specifications. # You can add as many routes as you want, # but you must set the counter $CISCO_SPLIT_INC # accordingly CISCO_SPLIT_INC=1 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_ADDR=10.0.0.0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_MASK=255.255.0.0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_MASKLEN=16 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_PROTOCOL=0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_SPORT=0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_DPORT=0 . /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script - patch against vpnc-script that not existing routes get not removed(prevents error messages in split tunnel mode). but i do know how to check if a route exists which handle special netmask because route/netstat shows routes in cidr notation. tomorrow i will see if dead peer detection and rekeying works. thomas On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:47:08PM -0500, Aaron Hsu wrote: The compressed archive of the port is available at http://www.sacrificumdeo.net/vpnc.tar.gz -- ((name Aaron Hsu) (email/xmpp [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (phone 703-597-7656) (site http://www.aaronhsu.com;)) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-tar-gz]
Re: UPDATE: vpnc - 0.5.1
here is a updated port with all my suggestions included. On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:46:37PM +0200, Thomas Schoeller wrote: hello, runs fine for me on macppc and i386 against a Cisco Systems, Inc./VPN 3000 Concentrator Version 4.1.7.Q suggestions: - remove .orig files - install a sample split tunnel script split.sh: #!/bin/sh # this effectively disables changes to /etc/resolv.conf INTERNAL_IP4_DNS= # This sets up split networking regardless # of the concentrators specifications. # You can add as many routes as you want, # but you must set the counter $CISCO_SPLIT_INC # accordingly CISCO_SPLIT_INC=1 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_ADDR=10.0.0.0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_MASK=255.255.0.0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_MASKLEN=16 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_PROTOCOL=0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_SPORT=0 CISCO_SPLIT_INC_0_DPORT=0 . /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script - patch against vpnc-script that not existing routes get not removed(prevents error messages in split tunnel mode). but i do know how to check if a route exists which handle special netmask because route/netstat shows routes in cidr notation. tomorrow i will see if dead peer detection and rekeying works. thomas On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 09:47:08PM -0500, Aaron Hsu wrote: The compressed archive of the port is available at http://www.sacrificumdeo.net/vpnc.tar.gz -- ((name Aaron Hsu) (email/xmpp [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (phone 703-597-7656) (site http://www.aaronhsu.com;)) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-tar-gz]
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Steve Szmidt wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2007 16:19, Theo de Raadt wrote: Reyk can take them to court over this, but he must do it before the year 2047. Except he took most of it from Sam Leffler who said it is OK to license under the GPL. So while it's good to see you defending your code, it was not entirely yours to start with. Reyk's work (the replacement HAL) is in seperate files -- it is a seperately copyrighted work. OK, I see that Reyk wrote it after Sam would not release it. I see that Sam seemed happy to dual license it. Though it looks clear that Jiri Slaby was wrong in stripping the license, which subsequently was not accepted by any repository. No, Sam's code and Reyk's code are completely different. Sam has an open source driver and a closed source binary blob, the HAL. Reyk reverse engineered the HAL and wrote an open source replacement. Sam DID NOT open the HAL code, it is still a closed binary object. Can you see now why Reyk's code is so critical? Otherwise GPL and BSD developers have to include a binary object into the kernel, which is out of their control. They can not fix bugs in there and make sure it works with present and future kernels. NetBSD had to change their *KERNEL INTERNALS* just to be compatible with this one BLOB!: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118818182531027w=2 So, please go read the Theo's messages again. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118965266709012w=2 http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118963284332223w=2 Multiple versions of wrong handling of copyrights have been done, by several people. All those steps have been published in public repositories. Some pulled back, some still there, Please do not spread incorrect information any more. This action does not however represent the GPL community from what I can see. Stealing work from one or the other has not been evident other than some people being confused as to what came from where. Which is the chicken and which is the egg kind of thing. Yes, this does NOT represent the GPL community. It is a mistake done by a GPL project that is either clueless in terms of how copyrights work, and/or got some bad legal advice. However, what they did is wrong, and the situation is *still* not resolved after all this time. What does represent the GPL community is their inability to deal with such problems. They think that OpenBSD people defending their own copyrights are the enemies. They fail to see that proper respect to copyrights and an ethical understanding and collaboration between open source projects is vital to the survival of *their* GPL projects. It is generalities which has bunches of people up in arms which of course happens when there is not enough specificity. It is pretty safe to say that most people are honest, but where misunderstanding can occur, it will. I have not seen one coherent response from the community that is up in arms that hints that they understand the problem. So, this misunderstanding looks like a common problem with the bunch. Can -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more complicated is going to help anything. I recently sat a friend down to show how easy an install was. This was on a 400MHz Dell with a 10G disk. Putting the disk in the box to having a system that booted up took 11 minutes, with me making comments about each step. Once the machine came up, I said it was done, the system was ready to use. blink blink You mean, thats all? Yes, I replied and left him to playing with Perl --STeve Andre'
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:35:35 -0400, Stephan Andre' wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more complicated is going to help anything. I recently sat a friend down to show how easy an install was. This was on a 400MHz Dell with a 10G disk. Putting the disk in the box to having a system that booted up took 11 minutes, with me making comments about each step. Once the machine came up, I said it was done, the system was ready to use. blink blink You mean, thats all? Yes, I replied and left him to playing with Perl Damn right STeve, I did a similar demo to the techs at the outfit that builds boxes for me. Install on a brand new box from CD with explanation of partitioning and turning on httpd and having another box with a browser showing the It worked! page in 15 minutes. As to the original poster's something like FreeBSD with ease to it. I have never been able to be confident in that piece of pretend gui-ness. There is no clarity about it and I forever feel that it's the only installer I've ever used where I wished for a comprehensive manual in hard copy. Given that I joined IBM in 1962 and only quit instructing for them a couple of years back, that covers a few installations There are some things (very few) that I could use in Free that aren't in Open. Spending loads of time with that crappy installer is too high a price. Rod/ Me...a skeptic? I trust you have proof.
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:35:35 -0400, Stephan Andre' wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more complicated is going to help anything. I recently sat a friend down to show how easy an install was. This was on a 400MHz Dell with a 10G disk. Putting the disk in the box to having a system that booted up took 11 minutes, with me making comments about each step. Once the machine came up, I said it was done, the system was ready to use. To me easy of install and improvements is what's already done and added time to time that show really how this is so easy and better. Example, sure here is one that I notice in 4.2 and the first time, I read it as it was different and I was use to always do the same thing, may be not in 3 minutes flat like J.C., but may be 4:15. I guess he has faster box then me. (; Anyway, to the point. In 4.2 there is the new way to specify your ntp server at the install time. I always use to go back in and change it manually every time. Now I don't have to, so it shave a few seconds in the install now for sure. That's improvements. GUI and what not doesn't add anything and actually slow down the process. Simple is better. Now, if you were talking about adding a way to change the root destination in the aliases at install time and allow me to specify it, then that would improvements as well and I wouldn't have to go back in and change it each time as well. This might get me closer to J.C. results in install time! (; Great job guys! (; Thanks Daniel
SMP
Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? P.S. I did show my appreciation, and I bought a CD! Thank you, Cyrus
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
Bob Beck wrote: As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. I assume you're only encouraging this because it's likely impossible. Frankly, I find the FreeBSD installer somewhat confusing. About the only thing that would maybe make the OpenBSD installer simpler for new (or impatient) users would be a default disk layout with sane partition sizes for /, /tmp, /var, /usr, etc. Of course I rarely install OpenBSD on non-x86 boxes but I'm sure sane defaults for x86 are quite different than mac68k or hppa. (In my defense, i do have a Sparc Classic and several mac68ks here. Great machines for [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On 9/13/07, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Beck wrote: As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. I assume you're only encouraging this because it's likely impossible. Frankly, I find the FreeBSD installer somewhat confusing. About the only thing that would maybe make the OpenBSD installer simpler for new (or impatient) users would be a default disk layout with sane partition sizes for /, /tmp, /var, /usr, etc. Of course I rarely install OpenBSD on non-x86 boxes but I'm sure sane defaults for x86 are quite different than mac68k or hppa. I've found times where a default layout would have been useful, but on the other hand I've been bitten more than once by a default layout (from the sysinstall [A]utomatic partitioner) that didn't set up a big enough /tmp for my needs. The result was spending extra time reinstalling to do it right the second time around. In almost all cases I think it's worth just being forced to think about my needs a bit more up front rather than trusting technology to do it for me. _Especially_ in cases where an autopartition scheme is involved (several OSes come to mind...) DS
Hifn 7955: fatal: cipher_init: EVP_CipherInit: set key failed for aes256-cbc
I'm just installed 4.1 on a Soekris net5501 board (i386) with one of their vpn1411 cards installed. The chip on this card is a Hifn 7955. dmesg shows the card: hifn0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Hifn 7955/7954 rev 0x00: LZS 3DES ARC4 MD5 SHA1 RNG AES PK, 32KB dram, irq 15 But SSH connection attempts die, with fatal: cipher_init: EVP_CipherInit: set key failed for aes256-cbc in the authlog. If I disable the card with `sysctl -w kern.usercrypto=0` these connections work fine. I have also tested AES192-CBC, with the same result, however 3DES-CBC and even AES128-CBC work fine... dmesg follows: OpenBSD 4.1 (GENERIC) #1435: Sat Mar 10 19:07:45 MST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (AuthenticAMD 586-class) 500 MHz cpu0: FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,PGE,CMOV,CFLUSH,MMX real mem = 536440832 (523868K) avail mem = 481771520 (470480K) using 4278 buffers containing 26947584 bytes (26316K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 20/70/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfac40 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.0 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: pcibios_get_intr_routing - function not supported pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing information unavailable. pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc8000/0xa800 cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 AMD Geode LX rev 0x31 glxsb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 2 AMD Geode LX Crypto rev 0x00: RNG AES vr0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 11, address 00:00:24:c8:e2:e8 ukphy0 at vr0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0034 vr1 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 5, address 00:00:24:c8:e2:e9 ukphy1 at vr1 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0034 vr2 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 9, address 00:00:24:c8:e2:ea ukphy2 at vr2 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0034 vr3 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 12, address 00:00:24:c8:e2:eb ukphy3 at vr3 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0034 hifn0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Hifn 7955/7954 rev 0x00: LZS 3DES ARC4 MD5 SHA1 RNG AES PK, 32KB dram, irq 15 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 AMD CS5536 ISA rev 0x03 pciide0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 AMD CS5536 IDE rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: HMS360606D5CF00 wd0: 32-sector PIO, LBA, 5859MB, 12000556 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled) ohci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 AMD CS5536 USB rev 0x02: irq 7, version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: AMD OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered ehci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 5 AMD CS5536 USB rev 0x02: irq 7 ehci0: pre-2.0 USB rev isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 nsclpcsio0 at isa0 port 0x2e/2: NSC PC87366 rev 9: GPIO VLM TMS gpio0 at nsclpcsio0: 29 pins npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pccom0: console pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo biomask 65c5 netmask ffe5 ttymask ffe7 pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers) dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80 root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO OpenServer but not by much.
Re: SMP
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cyrus Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:24 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: SMP Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? P.S. I did show my appreciation, and I bought a CD! Thank you, Cyrus Please read http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#SMP And http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/faq2.html#MailLists Especially the bottom of 2.2 Mike
Re: SMP
Cyrus wrote: Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? P.S. I did show my appreciation, and I bought a CD! Thank you, Cyrus The SMP kernel is not used by default. To use it, type bsd.mp at the boot prompt. You can also do something like # mv /bsd /bsd.old # mv /bsd.mp /bsd to have it started by default. To make sure all your CPUs are used, you can do a $ dmesg | grep -i cpu Firas -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
Re: SMP
On 9/13/07, Cyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? SMP is the kernel that supports multiple CPUs. If you're not running SMP, you aren't multiprocessing. Useful ways to diagnose your CPU configuration; what does your kernel say it found? # dmesg |grep ^cpu # sysctl hw.ncpu DS
Re: SMP
On 9/14/07, Cyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? [snip] You will have to use the bsd,mp kernel. The mp stands for multi-processor. One simple way to use this kernel is to put the following line in /etc/boot.conf set image /bsd.mp And reboot the system =Adriaan=
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
Just to share my personal experiences with the OpenBSD Installer, I thought I would add to this thread. I was a Free OS's *nix newbie trying to get around. At first, I tried Beta Stampede Linux, but it couldn't handle the hardware on my laptop. I could not figure out how to fix it, and it took me hours to read and guess about how it was supposed to boot up. Then I tried a Suse disc that someone gave me. Seemed to install great, except for the fact that it *didn't* work afterwards, and I couldn't figure out what on earth was going on. So, then Mandrake, but that just plain didn't work. Enter OpenBSD. I read a few docs, that take maybe half an hour to an hour, figure out a partition scheme, install. First try, first settings, system boots, and works: I am an OpenBSD fan since. Hardware was all recognized, the boot worked without bugging up with X (at that time my graphics card was a bit weird), and my media drives were all easily detected. Does it get any easier? -- ((name Aaron Hsu) (email/xmpp [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (phone 703-597-7656) (site http://www.aaronhsu.com;))
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
Darren Spruell wrote: I've found times where a default layout would have been useful, but on the other hand I've been bitten more than once by a default layout (from the sysinstall [A]utomatic partitioner) that didn't set up a big enough /tmp for my needs. The result was spending extra time reinstalling to do it right the second time around. You're also assuming that the automatic partitioner would allocate the entire disk... There are other issues, too; /usr/ports and /usr/src, /usr/obj, databases and logs and spools in /var, the list goes on.
Re: SMP
On 9/13/07, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/07, Cyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im currently running openbsd 4.1 on my server, Proliant 8500. This server is SMP with 4x 700MHz PIII proc. Im just wondering, is it using all four cpu's? or do I have to configure the system to utilize SMP? SMP is the kernel that supports multiple CPUs. If you're not running SMP, you aren't multiprocessing. Horrible mistake - bsd.mp is what you're after for SMP support. Sorry for the misguidance. DS
Wasting our Freedom
It boggles my mind that we can lie around complacently, arguing about installer menus and taking the bait from trolls, while our freedoms are quickly eroding away. The rights and recognition of one of our own developers (reyk@) have been molested, and all we've done as a community is to participate in useless flames and blog postings. Theo has thrown himself, once again, against the spears of the Linux community and their legal vultures in order to protect our software freedoms. How many of us can say we've done our part to defend truly Free Software? You don't have to be a lawyer or OpenBSD developer to make a difference. Email the SFLC and FSF and remind them that Free Software consists of more than the almighty penguin. OpenBSD is arguably the most Free and Open operating system available anywhere. The SFLC and FSF need to remember that they were created to protect victims, not thieves. Your donations are important for keeping the servers running, but your voice is necessary for keeping our freedom alive. Contacts: Eben Moglen - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lawrence Lessig - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bradley M. Kuhn - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Norwood - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
Hi, -Original Message- On Behalf Of Marco Peereboom Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 12:03 PM I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO OpenServer but not by much. Just interested in why you think it's so bad? I've installed just about everything that's been around, going way back to Linux SLS and I find the OpenBSD install better than all of them! I'd guess it might be related to the reason I use BSD. I find Linux a far better desktop and only use *BSD for important stuff. Given that, a 5 minute install without all the bells and whistles is just brilliant. Or maybe it's my background where I'm more than comfortable on the command line and find ncurses stuff painful and unnecessary. Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600 serial console? ciao dave --- Dave Edwards
serial port usage
For the scenario where you have two openbsd hosts, one connected to the second with a serial null modem cable, what is the right device to use when connecting using tip(1) from the first to a console on the second? These suggest that cua is the right device to use: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#TTY http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=115868967631296w=2 http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118764543712174w=2 But for me, using cua00 fails with missing phone number message while tty00 works: molodetz$ tip -19200 tty00 can't open log file /var/log/aculog. connected OpenBSD/i386 (sinoptik.sancho2k.net) (tty00) login: ~ [EOT] molodetz$ tip -19200 cua00 can't open log file /var/log/aculog. missing phone number [EOT] If cua00 is the right device to use when connecting out, why the missing phone number error? DS
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: GNUspeak: These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and eleet because they read Slashdot, but to imply the GNU project espouses these views is, quite frankly, slanderous. Then why don't they fight it? Why isn't Stallman or Torvalds or other prominents standing up and saying, This is wrong! This is not what we are about! Sure, there is no way they can get involved in every little issue that comes up, but the GNU and FSF are all about their license they are very proud of and defend strongly. I'd expect something out of 'em on this, as the morality, ethics -- and yes, the law -- are so clear, and their casual indifference towards another license is too likely to end up blowing up on 'em in the future. (my first response was going to be, this isn't about the official views of the GNU project, but then...they have been strangely silent). Give back to the community! (which really means, I'm the community, gimme, gimme, gimme!) There may be some in the free software movement that think like this, but this is far from a majority view. Of the PROGRAMMERS, sure. Duh. Thats' why they do it. Pretty much by definition, people who give stuff away are..uh..givers. :) If that's what you mean by the free software movement, fine. However, most of the people using the word community include the vast number of users. I'm talking about the takers. Those who leach without ever giving back. I think if I count the number of people posting horribly offensive You should do it MY way, and cater to MY needs because I want you to messages to misc@ to those that actually contribute code (or any other kind of support) to the OpenBSD project, you would see you are wrong. Note: I'm not talking about people asking questions, even dumb or un- researched question. I'm talking about those who say we are doing something wrong who've never attempted to do better. The people who say OpenBSD would be more popular if stupid advice here. The people who post politely worded but ever-so-offensive messages that make developers say to themselves, Why do I do this? Certainly not for him. Free as in Freedom! (but Free as in no monetary charge beats the hell out of taking a stand) Again, Richard Stallman's famous speech makes it clear monetary charge is not the reason for the free software movement. I'm not talking about Richard Stallman, I'm talking about the people who quote him and chant his words, then live very contrary to them. I.e., not words of the prophet, but the actions of the followers. People wrap themselves in pretty words, then go out and screw each other when it is convenient. (Ok, I'm no fan of RMS. Or ESR. But I'm not talking about 'em.) Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful lot of 'em. You know, it's fine if you hate the GPL. But I'll be damned if I just sit here and let you spread outright Goddamned *lies* about the free software movement and the people that represent it. are you implying that the GPL FSF *is* the free software movement? Sorry, but I happen to ALSO represent it. Obviously you have missed some of my commentaries on the GPL vs. BSD philosophy. I don't hate the GPL. I dislike it compared to the BSD alternative in general (I dislike milk chocolate compared to dark chocolate, too, but either beats the heck out of, uh, most things. :) but the short version is, it boils down to which you fear more: Big Companies using your code and thus, you as a developer, without pay or allowing you to use their code. -- or -- Big Companies NOT using your code, and rolling their own (inferior, incompatible, inconsistent, proprietary) crap instead. I can make a pretty convincing case for either. However, as much as I'd dislike seeing Microsoft take OpenBSD code and ideas without compensation of any kind, I'd much prefer they use the code and ideas to not using 'em. But that's me. Not all may agree, and that's a good thing. What I do hate is hypocrisy. People who preach the love of God, and kill those who preach it slightly differently. People who say God is all powerful, then feel the need to defend him. People in an auto-town who slap a UAW Union NO SCAB PAPERS bumper sticker on their car made by non-union workers (Solidarity for me!) People who say PROTECT MY CODE while they steal someone else's. GPL is so far down that list, it can't be called hate. Not even an annoyance really. UNLESS it gets slapped on someone's code without their permission and against their wishes. That's not hating the GPL in general, just the actions of some who pretend to support it. (I love chocolate, but I hate to see it ground and melted into the upholstery of my chair. That's just
Re: serial port usage
Darren Spruell wrote: ... If cua00 is the right device to use when connecting out, why the missing phone number error? That means your /etc/remote file is still at its defaults (which perhaps should change): tty00|For hp300,i386,mac68k,macppc,mvmeppc,vax:\ :dv=/dev/tty00:tc=direct:tc=unixhost: cua00|For hp300,i386,mac68k,macppc,mvmeppc,vax:\ :dv=/dev/cua00:tc=dialup:tc=unixhost: See, when you do tip tty00, you aren't actually saying, use port tty00, you are saying, use /etc/remote entry tty00, which just so happens to point to port tty00. It doesn't need to. You could really mess with someone. :) Try doing this: # tip tty01 tip: unknown host tty01 unknown HOST, not unknown port (this machine has a second com port). The tc=dialup is what is hurting you. Just change it to direct. Depending upon your cable and needs, you may not ever care, but cua is more forgiving. Nick.
Re: serial port usage
As we are on the subject and I do not want to deviate from the original question, I would however appreciate suggestions as to how I can have a one server witch can actually have up to 32 serial console to control LOM on Sun server. I may need up to 48 in one case, but instead of using a bunch of Cisco 2509 and 2511, I would much prefer using one good OpenBSD server with proper PF, etc to have the same console control on legacy Sun boxes. I have been looking for some time and still the best way I found was to still use old Cisco routers for that. Any clue stick would be nice if any ideas are better then this. Thanks Daniel
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
Marco Peereboom wrote: I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO OpenServer but not by much. I second that! If FreeBSD is the OP's model for positive software evolution, then I am glad that OpenBSD has left the 'archaic' installer more or less alone, and concentrated on high quality additions to the meat and potatoes of the project, namely the tools and drivers in the OS itself. Theo was just posting about 'gimme gimme gimme culture' and look what rears up and slobbers all over this list! Breeno
Re: Hifn 7955: fatal: cipher_init: EVP_CipherInit: set key failed for aes256-cbc
I do not have experience with the net5501, but as for the vpn1411, you may want to check out this thread: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=117826557508813w=2 It talks about recompiling the GENERIC kernel minus a few options, which has the side effect of fixing SSH connection problems with the vpn1411 and the net4801. Why? I dunno. I'm not a developer, and my understanding of C is roughly equivalent to the average English writing skills of children in junior high. Give it a shot, and please report back to the list if it fixes things with the net5501 combined with the vpn1411. Breeno
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On 9/14/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX, 4 linux distributions, and FreeBSD. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. Please keep me informed if you will, I'd love to hear the thoughts, and ideas on this possible progress. I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and fits on the install media for 10 architectures. OpenBSD is developed by volunteers, 10 years of development, don't you think with all this man power and ability, after all these years it's time to evolve a little? I 100% Agree with you. so after 10 years of use, you should become one of those volunteers and write such a thing. Remember this is an OS, and part of the process of creating one is the evolution in making it a more simpler, and productive tool. We must rethink our ideas with these systems that they are tools to help us, not us having to work on them all the time in order to get them to do something, otherwise where is the progress and productivity in this? I remember a day when I personally sat around playing most of the time trying to get something to work, rather then getting work done, those days must end, and the tools must finally emerge as just that, TOOLS to help us accomplish something, not sitting around trying to. Personally I find driving an ncurses based install much more tedious playing than chucking a site_install script in site42.tgz, booting off the net and installing, as I've used the freebsd and SLS and ubunty and solaris and aix and blah blah blah installers. All the rest of them require more of my time in front of the keyboard. However I'm sure with your fabulous ideas your ncurses based installer for openbsd will stop that trend and be much better - since you'll be working on something that's useful to you and you are passionate about. Thank you for your time in this matter. Scott Richman Thank you for volunteering. I await your code. -Bob I can't understand what is the problem with the installer. It's so damn easy. The installer isn't something that is keeping people away from using OpenBSD. Time spent on adding features, new drivers and improvments on all areas is much more important than trying to 'improve' something that already works great. BR dunceor
