Help contacting Richard Stallman
Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado -- http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: From: Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com Subject: Help contacting Richard Stallman To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:18 AM Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado Wrong mailing list.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado Why ask this on a OpenBSD mailing list? OpenBSD has nothing to do with Richard Stallman or GNU. Check www.gnu.org.
November 26 1931?
Hello,
I have an old Sun Ultra 10 with a dead motherboard battery. After
cold-starting the machine the hardware clock now always indicates the
date as being January 1 1968. Strange things then happen when I boot
OpenBSD (10.10.6.10 and 10.10.6.11 are my local time servers):
[...]
Power On Self Test Failed. Cause: NVRAM U13
ok date
01/01/1968 00:00:24 GMT
ok boot disk
[...]
OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC) #328: Mon May 24 08:54:38 MDT 2010
dera...@sparc64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERIC
[...]
root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b
WARNING: clock lost 21038 days -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!
Automatic boot in progress: starting file system checks.
/dev/rwd0a: file system is clean; not checking
[...]
starting named
Nov 26 00:33:09 plara named[24368]:
/usr/src/usr.sbin/bind/lib/isc/entropy.c:382: fatal error:
Nov 26 00:33:09 plara named[24368]: RUNTIME_CHECK(isc_time_now((t)) == 0)
failed
Nov 26 00:33:09 plara named[24368]: exiting (due to fatal error in library)
starting initial daemons: ntpd.
Nov 26 00:33:10 plara ntpd[15149]: recvmsg control format 10.10.6.10: No such
file or directory
Nov 26 00:33:10 plara ntpd[15149]: recvmsg control format 10.10.6.11: No such
file or directory
[...]
standard daemons: apmd cron.
Thu Nov 26 00:33:31 ICT 1931
[...]
The warning to check the date is clear enough, though I was still a
bit surprised to see both named and ntpd fail. I don't know why named
cares so much about the date but I'll assume there's a good reason. I
also don't know why or how OpenBSD transforms 01/01/1968 into November
26 1931, but then again, once the battery is dead I guess the hardware
can be considered broken and all bets are off.
Note that the initial warning indicates that the clock lost 21038
days, which is about 57.6 years. 2010.4 (~ today) + 57.6 = 2068 =
1968 + 100, so it looks like the computation is done modulo 100. I
would have expected to see a value like (2010.4 - 1931.8)*365 = 28689
days lost.
Anyway, what I'm mostly surprised about is the behavior of ntpd, since
I expected it to correct the machine's date instead of failing:
# egrep ntpd /etc/rc.conf.local
ntpd_flags=-s
The error message from ntpd is also strange. Note that ntpd does not
die, it just seems to hang around doing nothing.
I have to manually move the date to at least 01/01/1970 for 'ntpd -s'
to work:
# date
Thu Nov 26 00:40:10 ICT 1931
# ntpd -d -s
ntp engine ready
recvmsg control format 10.10.6.10: No such file or directory
recvmsg control format 10.10.6.11: No such file or directory
no reply received in time, skipping initial time setting
^Cntp engine exiting
Terminating
# date -u 19700101.00
Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC 1970
# ntpd -d -s
ntp engine ready
reply from 10.10.6.10: offset 1274851922.958401 delay 0.001080, next query 6s
set local clock to Wed May 26 12:32:07 ICT 2010 (offset 1274851922.958401s)
reply from 10.10.6.11: offset 1274851922.956023 delay 0.001321, next query 7s
reply from 10.10.6.10: offset 0.74 delay 0.000816, next query 9s
reply from 10.10.6.11: offset -0.002262 delay 0.001241, next query 8s
reply from 10.10.6.10: offset 0.24 delay 0.000715, next query 9s
reply from 10.10.6.11: offset -0.002189 delay 0.001413, next query 8s
peer 10.10.6.11 now valid
reply from 10.10.6.11: offset -0.002417 delay 0.000954, next query 9s
peer 10.10.6.10 now valid
reply from 10.10.6.10: offset -0.09 delay 0.000691, next query 5s
I found code in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/client.c which I think explains
why I have to manually move the date to at least 01/01/1970:
if (T4 JAN_1970) {
client_log_error(p, recvmsg control format, EBADF);
set_next(p, error_interval());
return (0);
}
though I guess this test ends up covering more cases than it was
supposed to, given the error message...
I tried rdate too, without success:
# date
Thu Nov 26 00:40:13 ICT 1931
# rdate -nv 10.10.6.11
Thu Nov 26 00:40:15 ICT 1931
rdate: adjust local clock by 9223362813482738688.00 seconds
# date
Thu Nov 26 00:40:16 ICT 1931
60s/mn * 60mn/hour * 24hour/day * 365day/year = 31536000s/year
Then 9223362813482738688s/(31536000s/year) = 292470916206 years...
Well, I'll just have to put something like 'date -u 19700101.00'
directly into /etc/rc to help ntpd a bit. Note that I'm not
complaining, the root problem is obviously the dead battery. I was
just a bit surprised that I couldn't use ntpd or rdate to easily fix
it...
On a related note, date(1) man's page seems to be wrong. The
'1969-2068' range for years looks more like '1970-2038':
Re: Toshiba L505D-S5983 ACPI
I've seen at least 1 laptop that was junked because the fan failed and it was uneconomic to replace it. paulm Actually, the noise made me attach a resistor to the wire to slow the fan down, but it wasn't in warranty. Why was it uneconomic, was the fan a rediculous price and of low quality, usually the norm with profit maximising labels? I forgot to put in the last post, you can also check the temperature via the bios if those same labels haven't reduced the bios to twaddle with a bios license they acquired and have maintained since the 1980s. KeV
Re: PF log files.
* Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de [2010-05-25 20:31]: * Peter Fraser p...@thinkage.ca [2010-05-25 19:10]: I have been modifying my fire rules using the 4.7 syntax. It would have been really nice if the tcpdump showed the final address as well as the initial address of the packet when you are using rdr-to or nat-to right, that is a bug I recently discovered and plan to fix real soon now. err, wait, I gotta learn to read. tcpdump cannot show both. but there are cases where we pass the packet to pflog before actually rewriting the address, that is the bug i was talking about. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
Re: make(1): should := expand twice?
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:58:29AM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:11:51AM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote:
Makefile:
A=This is the variable A
FOO=$$A
BAR:=$$A
test:
echo '${FOO}'
echo '${BAR}'
I expected, and GNU make gives,
echo '$A'
$A
echo '$A'
$A
However, our make gives
echo '$A'
$A
echo 'This is the variable A'
This is the variable A
Is this sensible, a historical accident that should be preserved, or a
bug? I, at least, was rather surprised...
An addendum to the above: := really does expand exactly twice (and not
until done), although this is not obvious from the above. Consider:
A=$$B
B=b
FOO=$$A
BAR:=$$A
test:
echo '${FOO}'
echo '${BAR}'
This results in (with our make):
echo '$A'
$A
echo '$B'
$B
To anyone wondering/for the archives: FreeBSD make gives the same
output, so I suppose this is intentional.
Joachim
Re: SAS RAID Controller of SunFire X4150 causes trouble
Sensorsd is installed but not started. # sysctl hw.sensors hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=37.00 degC hw.sensors.mpi0.drive0=online (sd0), OK How can I configure it to get helpful reports? thanks Florian Am 13.05.2010 20:34, schrieb Stuart Henderson: Also: Do you run sensorsd on this system? In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, I wrote: On 2010-05-11, Schafhauser, Florian fschafhau...@arri.de wrote: Am 07.05.2010 11:35, schrieb Stuart Henderson: On 2010-05-06, Schafhauser, Florian fschafhau...@arri.de wrote: Hello, the RAID Controller causes trouble with OpenBSD 4.5 and 4.6. First off, for mpi(4) you want one of these patches: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.5/common/015_mpi.patch ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.6/common/009_mpi.patch ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.7/common/002_mpi.patch Reading and writing is quite slow. When I use I/O intensive applications like squid, machine dies within next 30 minutes. I applied the patch in this way: cvsup -g -L2 /etc/cvsup patch -p1 009_mpi.patch rebuild the kernel reboot 10240 bytes transferred in 15.936 secs (6425378 bytes/sec) 10240 bytes transferred in 16.173 secs (6331465 bytes/sec) 10240 bytes transferred in 16.004 secs (6398081 bytes/sec) Writing speed is still the same. This won't help writing speed but it would be very interesting to know if it does anything to help with the freezes. Are you sure about reading being slow? That speed seems about right for write-cache being disabled on the volume. http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-HP-DL140-G3%2C-mpi%284%29-SAS1068-%28hotplug%29%2 C-slow-disk-writes.-p17059402.html This (i.e. running the raid vendor's tool under linux and enabling write-cache for the array) might help writing speed. Arnold Richter Cine Technik GmbH Co. Betriebs KG Sitz: M|nchen - Registergericht: Amtsgericht M|nchen - Handelsregisternummer: HRA 57918 Persvnlich haftender Gesellschafter: Arnold Richter Cine Technik GmbH Sitz: M|nchen - Registergericht: Amtsgericht M|nchen - Handelsregisternummer: HRB 54477 Geschdftsf|hrer: Franz Kraus; Dr. Martin Prillmann A new star is born - ALEXA the most versatile digital camera system. Get all the latest information from arridigital.com and YouTube.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:18:03AM -0600, Julian Acosta wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, To contact him: 1- put a woodstock live CD 2- get rid of all water points 3- sacrifice a goat At this point, the feet-naked hippy should come with his flute ;-) Gilles NB: you're on the wrong mailing-list and it was too tempting. -- Gilles Chehade
Re: isakmpd falling over: alternatives?
Bryan wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 14:06, j...@fixedpointgroup.com j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote: over the past several years i have encountered a variety of problems with isakmpd that range from difficult to translate error messages to tunnels dropping without explanation. snipped... Greetings, Did you try different hardware? Did you troubleshoot the issue and raise a question on m...@? Are you using 4.7 or even -current? What is on the distant end? is it openbsd - openbsd, or is it something else on the other end? What network adapters are being used in both boxes? Are you using wireless to connect through to the distant end? shaky wireless could cause connection issues. I mean, have you asked any questions, or asked for help? Maybe if you took the time to explain what is wrong, you might get an answer. Make sure you have a dmesg, and can reproduce the error in 4.7 (-current or latest cvs pull is even better), and any and all error messages, and any verbose logfile output you can receive, your ipsec.conf, and pf.conf if you use that... Only you can help you... seriously... have you ever used isakmpd? i ask this because i get the impression that you have not used it much if you missed the point of my message. it totally sucks - i've been using it since 2003 and very little has changed except the ipsecctl interface making it quicker to setup tunnels. a number of people in the openbsd community have discussed the possibility of a total rewrite with me over the past several years because they too believe it is old and flaky. isakmpd is brittle as hell and endpoints being snapshots that are a few months apart is enough to cause serious interoperation problems. someone may or may not have developed an improved version of isakmpd that runs on openbsd, i will not name names, and that is because isakmpd is not commercial grade software. there is a lot of neat and challenging crypto code in isakmpd but, imo, further improvements are tolerated turd polishing. i'm looking for an alternative so i don't have to resort to excessive debugging and answering a series of 10 questions to figure out wtf is going on. i am not saying that your list of questions is the wrong way to debug this, it's totally correct, only that you're a fucking idiot for not getting the point of my original message. it is amazing that you have the patience to follow the ridiculously long trail to troubleshoot and fix isakmpd but don't see that walking this trail is due to the code being old and brittle. based on the lack of replies i speculate not many people use an ssh vpn...
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
From: Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? You'd be better contacting the FSF rather than Stallman directly - don't you think that's overkill? He also may have conducted just one or two interviews and written a couple of articles - just google. Bear in mind that their favoured GPL 'free' software license is not free. It is effectively free as in beer, but not as in free speech[1]. Their definition includes being forced to give away source code, which whilst I understand the viewpoint (of increasing free code), is by any measure a restriction of your freedom. BSD licenses, on the other hand, do not restrict what you can do, although it's good karma to contribute back when using a large amount of free code from others. [1] The GPL allows products to be sold, but seeing as this must include source code, after one sale it only needs someone with a compiler to distribute it freely (as in beer). Peter
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
At 2010-05-26 11:03:50 Gilles Chehade wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:18:03AM -0600, Julian Acosta wrote: Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, To contact him: 1- put a woodstock live CD 2- get rid of all water points 3- sacrifice a goat At this point, the feet-naked hippy should come with his flute ;-) Gilles NB: you're on the wrong mailing-list and it was too tempting. -- Gilles Chehade Gilles, Qu'est-ce que water points? Faucets? -- Edward Ahlsen-Girard Ft Walton Beach, FL
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
That free beer analogy has never made any sense and never will. I honestly wonder why people keep repeating it. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:32:56PM +0100, Peter Kay (Syllopsium) wrote: From: Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? You'd be better contacting the FSF rather than Stallman directly - don't you think that's overkill? He also may have conducted just one or two interviews and written a couple of articles - just google. Bear in mind that their favoured GPL 'free' software license is not free. It is effectively free as in beer, but not as in free speech[1]. Their definition includes being forced to give away source code, which whilst I understand the viewpoint (of increasing free code), is by any measure a restriction of your freedom. BSD licenses, on the other hand, do not restrict what you can do, although it's good karma to contribute back when using a large amount of free code from others. [1] The GPL allows products to be sold, but seeing as this must include source code, after one sale it only needs someone with a compiler to distribute it freely (as in beer). Peter
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
Il 26/05/10 14.32, Marco Peereboom ha scritto: That free beer analogy has never made any sense and never will. I honestly wonder why people keep repeating it. I hope that in some /parallel/ universe beer is free and bsd is the most used license and *bsd is the most used and active operating system :) -Francesco On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:32:56PM +0100, Peter Kay (Syllopsium) wrote: From: Julian Acostaj.acost...@gmail.com Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? You'd be better contacting the FSF rather than Stallman directly - don't you think that's overkill? He also may have conducted just one or two interviews and written a couple of articles - just google. Bear in mind that their favoured GPL 'free' software license is not free. It is effectively free as in beer, but not as in free speech[1]. Their definition includes being forced to give away source code, which whilst I understand the viewpoint (of increasing free code), is by any measure a restriction of your freedom. BSD licenses, on the other hand, do not restrict what you can do, although it's good karma to contribute back when using a large amount of free code from others. [1] The GPL allows products to be sold, but seeing as this must include source code, after one sale it only needs someone with a compiler to distribute it freely (as in beer). Peter
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source and the Linux operating system. He'll show up.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
2010/5/26 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com: Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source and the Linux operating system. He'll show up. Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux.
Leg�jabb Filmek, Zen�k, J�t�kok!
Szia! Tzl js nu a csajom, Vasember 2, Alice Csodaorszagban --- TVLTHETU, SZINKRONOSAN! Az oldal cmme: http://movie.ednet-host.com/ Akar premier elvtti vetmtised lehet otthon a csaladdal! Rengeteg premier film! Tvbb min 20TB terra taralom! Mindez egy sms arairt! Jatikok, filmek, hacker cuccok, hd filmek! Mindez egy helyen szinte ingyen! Az oldal cmme: http://movie.ednet-host.com/ Szia!
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/26 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com: Julian Acosta wrote: Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? Just talk a lot about open source and the Linux operating system. He'll show up. Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. No because you wrote GNU/Linux instead of GNU/Hurd :p -- Sylvestre Gallon
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Do you mean Apache/BSD/GNU/IPL/MIT/SGI/X11/Linux, right?
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
Igor Sobrado wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Do you mean Apache/BSD/GNU/IPL/MIT/SGI/X11/Linux, right? Wasn't that SCO/Linux?
Re: Lost Radeon Dual-Head after upgrade to 4.7
On 05/23 02:50, Owain Ainsworth wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 02:28:47PM -0700, Jeremy Evans wrote: After I upgraded to OpenBSD 4.7, my dual head configuration stopped working on my Radeon HD 2600 PRO. This has been working for about a year and a half with no problems since I got the video card. I tried various xrandr incantations to get it to work, but no luck. If I get the left monitor to work, the right monitor turns off, and vice versa. By default, with the xorg.conf including below, the right monitor displays output. With the following commands, I can make the left monitor display output, but then the right monitor turns off: xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode 1600x1200 xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto Both commands are needed, as with just the second, there is no change. If I run a command such as: xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 800x600 The left monitor stops displaying, and the right monitor starts displaying. In both cases, xrandr shows both monitors as displaying, and I can move the mouse off one monitor to where the other monitor would be. From CVS, it looks like the reason is that OpenBSD 4.4-4.6 uses xf86-video-ati 6.9.0, and OpenBSD 4.7 uses 6.12.2. I know new video drivers are often tried in snapshots for a few weeks before being committed to CVS. Any chance that current snapshots contain an updated version of xf86-video-ati? Any other advice about things to try to get the dual head configuration working? Oh bloody wonderful. I hate it when they do that. I am currently chasing a bug in radeon 6.13.0 involving zaphod mode, but after that we'll try and get that as the default. I can mail you offlist with a tarball of what we have so far, if you wish. Owain, I tried to respond off-list, but haven't heard back. Anyway, I'd be happy to test the work in progress, please do send me the tarball. I assume I should upgrade to the latest snapshot first? Thanks, Jeremy
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I really laughed when I read this and the discussion that followed You should probably read http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html You should also check your emails before you send them It's Cd. Cuauhtemoc not Cd. Cuauhtimoc (I am from the same city) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:18:03 -0600 Subject: Help contacting Richard Stallman From: j.acost...@gmail.com To: misc@openbsd.org Hello! I'm from the Postgraduate Departmen of the ITCC University from Mexico, Really we need to contact with Richard Stallman, just for give us his opinion and answer us some questions about free software, How can I contact him? What's his real email? This help affects up to 19 universities from Mexico, Well, I hope you can help me, Really thanks, Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969
Re: Legújabb Filmek, Zenék, Játékok!
Is posting to this list not restricted to subscribers or is it time to install some sort of CAPTCHA plugin in majordomo? BR, Teemu On May 24, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Brigi wrote: Szia! Tzl js nu a csajom, Vasember 2, Alice Csodaorszagban --- TVLTHETU, SZINKRONOSAN! Az oldal cmme: http://movie.ednet-host.com/ Akar premier elvtti vetmtised lehet otthon a csaladdal! Rengeteg premier film! Tvbb min 20TB terra taralom! Mindez egy sms arairt! Jatikok, filmek, hacker cuccok, hd filmek! Mindez egy helyen szinte ingyen! Az oldal cmme: http://movie.ednet-host.com/ Szia!
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird for someone to ask his real mail address here...
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
Vadim Jukov persg...@gmail.com writes: Now he'll definitely come here, because you wrote Linux instead of religiously correct GNU/Linux. Actually it's the other way around - in my experience he's significantly more reluctant to visit if the organizers show a fondness for open source rather than free software and mentions Linux without GNU/ prepended too often. But still the wrong mailing list. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird for someone to ask his real mail address here... Anyway, as he said above, you can find his real mail on stallman.org, and don't bother contacting the FSF first, just send mail to him directly. But I still think it's weird to ask his email here...
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
It's clearly spam.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
We really need to reason whether he is trolling or not, Even if he is completely clueless about OSS at all, why the hell would he come to an openbsd list ? We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Having that in mind, why didn't he came across a Linux mailing list or a FreeBSD or a my-ass-is-on-fire list ? My point is, what are the odds of an individual asking the completely wrong question on the completely wrong list ? (Think again, asking about RMS on an openbsd list). He is clearly trolling, stop feeding. But wait, thinking again, he is an academic, you can expect anything (be it good or bad) from academics.
Re: No Video/X server issue
I have tried the suggestions. Thank you for them. It did not recognize the command X -configure -retro. I have installed 4.7 and here is dmesg.boot and Xorg.0.log dmesg OpenBSD 4.7 (RAMDISK_CD) #353: Wed Mar 17 20:54:21 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD real mem = 3488219136 (3326MB) avail mem = 3390046208 (3233MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf06e0 (29 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 5.14 date 01/19/2010 bios0: HP-Pavilion AY747AAR-ABA p6310y acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB HPET INFO NVHD SLIC SSDT acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor, 2800.47 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz cpu at mainbus0: not configured cpu at mainbus0: not configured cpu at mainbus0: not configured ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (IXVE) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (MXR0) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR11) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR15) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR16) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR17) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 4 (BR12) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus 5 (BR13) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus 6 (BR14) pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 NVIDIA MCP77 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured NVIDIA MCP77 ISA rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 not configured NVIDIA MCP77 SMBus rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 not configured NVIDIA MCP77 Memory rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 1 function 2 not configured NVIDIA MCP77 Co-processor rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 1 function 3 not configured NVIDIA MCP77 Memory rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 1 function 4 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 USB rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 15 (irq 15), version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 NVIDIA MCP77 USB rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 14 (irq 14) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci1 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 USB rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 4 function 1 NVIDIA MCP77 USB rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 11 (irq 11) usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 NVIDIA MCP77 HD Audio rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCI rev 0xa1 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ATT/Lucent FW322 1394 rev 0x70 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 AHCI rev 0xa2: apic 4 int 5 (irq 5), AHCI 1.2 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, WDC WD10EADS-65M, 01.0 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 953869MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953525168 sec total cd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: hp, DVD A DH16AAL, LHDE ATAPI 5/cdrom removable nfe0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 LAN rev 0xa2: apic 4 int 14 (irq 14), address e0:cb:4e:40:28:8d rlphy0 at nfe0 phy 1: RTL8201L 10/100 PHY, rev. 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCIE rev 0xa1 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 vga1 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 9100 rev 0xa2 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) ppb2 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCIE rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10) pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 ppb3 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCIE rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 11 (irq 11) pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 ppb4 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCI rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 15 (irq 15) pci5 at ppb4 bus 5 ppb5 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 NVIDIA MCP77 PCI rev 0xa1: apic 4 int 14 (irq 14) pci6 at ppb5 bus 6 pchb0 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64 10h HyperTransport rev 0x00 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 AMD AMD64 10h Address Map rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 AMD AMD64 10h DRAM Cfg rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 AMD AMD64 10h Misc Cfg rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 24 function 4 AMD AMD64 10h Link Cfg rev 0x00 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 NVIDIA OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 NVIDIA OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at mainbus0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 rd0: fixed, 4480 blocks umass0 at uhub1 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 Generic Mass Storage Device rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: Generic-, SD/MMC, 1.00 SCSI0 0/direct removable sd1: drive offline sd2 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 1: Generic-, Compact Flash, 1.01 SCSI0 0/direct removable sd2: drive
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: Having that in mind, why didn't he came across a Linux mailing list or a FreeBSD or a my-ass-is-on-fire list ? My point is, what are the odds of an individual asking the completely wrong question on the completely wrong list ? (Think again, asking about RMS on an openbsd list). He is clearly trolling, stop feeding. I don't think we can assume that he didn't. it's likely that he found multiple mailing lists that all had some tenuous relationship to open-source software, and spammed all of them. but I haven't looked in the archives of any other lists to find out. I'm just not that interested. -ken
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Great words. +rep for this.
Κάντε Συμβόλαιο μαζί μας για να ταξιδεύετε με τα μισά λεφτά
**N N.N= N1N3N?ON,N6N5ON5 N1O' O ON?O N2ON.ON5.NN5N/ON5 ON9 ON1N/ON=N5ON5 N:N,N=N?N=ON1O N-N=N1 N1ON;O N#ONOO N=N7ON9N:O NN1N6N/ NN1O** N3N9N1 NN$NNN!NNNN#-NNNN)N$NN#-NN!NN$NNN N%N# N N!NNN NN#N N N%N#--N#N'N NNN#-N NN NN NN#N$NN NN **N N9 OON7ON5ON/N5O NN1O** N#ON1 N5ON1N3N3N5N;NN1ON9N:N, ON1O ON1NN/N4N9N1, N4N/N=N?ONN5 N9N4N9N1N/ON5ON7 N-NON1ON7 OON7N= ON;N.ON7 N9N:N1N=N?ON?N/N7ON7 OO N= N1ON1N9ON.ON5O N= ON?O ON5N;N,ON7 N5NOON7ON5OON=ON1O N,NN5ON1 NN5 ON?N= N:N1N;O ON5ON? N4ON=N1OO OOO ON? N:N1N9 OON? N?N9N:N?N=N?NN9N:O ON5ON? N:O OON?O N:N,N8N5 N6N.ON7ON7 N NN NN NNN%N$NNN: N%ON,OON5N9 OON3N:N5N:ON9NN-N=N? N5NN5N9N4N9N:N5ONN-N=N? OON-N;N5ON?O ON7O N5ON1N9ON5N/N1O NN1O ON?O N5NOON7ON5ON5N/ ON7N= N5ON1N9ON5N/N1 b ON5N;N,ON7 N:N1Ob N1ON?N:N;N5N9OON9N:O ON7ON1. N N5NOON7ON-ON7ON7 N3N/N=N5ON1N9 NN5 N1ON5ON8N5N/N1O ON7N;N5OO N=N9N:N. N3ON1NNN. , e-mail N. fax ON?O OON7ON9NN?ON?N9N5N/ON1N9 N1ON?N:N;N5N9OON9N:N, N3N9N1 ON7N= N5ON1N9ON5N/N1 ON1O. NN9N1N8N-ON?ONN5 N7N;N5N:OON?N=N9N:O b CLIENTS PROFILEb NN5 ON;N7ON?ON?ON/N5O N3N9N1 ON1 OON?N9ON5N/N1 OO N= ON5N;N1OON= (N?N=/NN?, N7N;N9N:N/N1, OON?N9ON5N/N1 N:N1OOON= b frequent flyerb N:.N;.O.) N:N1N9 ON9O N9N4N9N1N/ON5ON5O OON?ON9NN.ON5N9O ON?O OON? ON1NN/N4N9 (O.O. N8N-ON7 business class, vegetarian meal, N:N,N8N9ONN1 ON5 ON1ON,N8OON? N:.N;.O.) N#ON-N;N=N?ONN5 ON1 OON?N9ON5N/N1 ON7O N:ON,ON7ON7O OON? e-mail ON?O ON5N;N,ON7 N. N:N1N9 NN5 SMS OON? N:N9N=N7OO ON?O NN9N1 N:N,N8N5 N:ON,ON7ON7 OON-N;N=N?ONN5 ON1NN9N4N9O ON9N:N, N-N3N3ON1ON1 NN5 OON1N:ON9N:N-O ON;N7ON?ON?ON/N5O N3N9N1 ON? ON1NN/N4N9, ON;N7ON?ON?ON/N5O OO ON?N3ON1ON/N5O N3N9N1 ON?N= OON?N?ON9ONO N:N1N9 ON? NN5N=N?N4N?ON5N/N?, ON,OON5O N:.N;.O. N'ON7ON9NN?ON?N9N?O NN5 ON1 ON9N? OON?N7N3NN-N=N1 ON5ON=N?N;N?N3N9N:N, N7N;N5N:OON?N=N9N:N, b on line b OOOON.NN1ON1 N:ON1ON.ON5O N= N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:ON= N5N9ON9ON7ON/O N=, NN5N=N?N4N?ON5N/O N=, N5N=N?N9N:N9N,ON5O N= N1OON?N:N9N=N.OO N= N:N;O. N ON?ON5N/N=N?ONN5 ON,N=ON1 ON?N= N:N1N;O ON5ON? OON=N4ON1ONO OON.ON5O N= N:N1N9 ON?N= N?N9N:N?N=N?NN9N:O ON5ON? N=N1O N;N? OON? N6N7ON?O NN5N=N? ON1NN/N4N9. N'ON7ON9NN?ON?N9N?O NN5 OON?O O ON5N;N?O ON?O ON5N;N,ON7 ON9O OON?N=N?NN9N1N:N-O ON9NN-O ON?O ON5OOON1N/N=N?ONN5 O O Tour Operator OO ON? OON1 N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:N, N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1, O ON? N:N1N9 OON1 NN5N=N?N4N?ON5N/N1 N:N1N9 ON5 N,N;N;N5O OON7ON5ON/N5O **NN5N/N3NN1 N5ON1N9ON5N9ON= ON?O N5N9ON.N;N8N1N= OON1 N ON?N3ON,NNN1ON1 NN1O.** NN:N1ON?N=ON,N4N5O N5ON1N9ON5N/N5O N5N9ON.N;N8N1N= OON? OOO N3ON1NNN1 NN1OON? ON5N;N5OON1N/N? OON/NN7N=N?.NN1N=N5N/O ON;N-N?N= N4N5N= N1ON=N5N/ON1N9 ON? ON8N7N=O ON5ON?,N:N1N=N5N/O N4N5N= N1ON=N5N/ON1N9 ON1 NN)N!N ON?O ON1ON-ON?ONN5,N:N1N=N5N/O N4N5N= N1ON=N5N/ON1N9 ON7N= 24O ON7 N5NOON7ON-ON7ON7 NN1O NN NN$N!N N N NNNNNNNN NNN N!NN# N'ON7NN1ON9OON7ON/N?O NN8N7N=ON= NNNNN N -NN$NNNNN NN NN NNNN$NN!NN NNNNNNN# DE AGOSTINI HELLAS REVOIL AE THEMA AE MTC Group PROFILE AE SYSTEMA AE NNN)N N N NNN N NN NN NN#N$NN NN NNNN N)N FFG PLATINUM N N NNN N# NNN!NN NN NN CARDIOGENESIS BIOGENESIS ACO NN N NNNN# NN%N#NNN# PALMIE AE FARMHELLAS ENTERPRISES SMART INTERMED SANA VIVO BT MEDICAL CONSULTING ISSUS STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS GRAND SILVER GROUP AGROTOUR SA NN N%N$N#N N%NN N# NN GEP GLOBAL ENVIROMENTAL PRODUCTS HELLAS IMAGCO SA HORECA CLUB EN N NNN!N N# LIVE AE **N#N5 N NN#N$N)N$NNN N N!N NN!NN N NN$N NN5 2NN7N=N5O N5ON9ON1N3N-O ON1N/ON=N5ON5 N:N1N9 ON1 N1N:O N;N?ON8N1 NN)N!NNN NNN#NN$NN!NN,N1N=N,N;N?N3N1 NN5 ON?N= N5ON.ON9N? N$N6N/ON? ON?O N8N1 NN1O N:N,N=N5ON5** **NN= N-ON5ON5 NON.ON9N? N$N1NN9N4N9OON9N:O N$N6N/ON? 2.000-5.000 ON1N/ON=N5ON5** 2 NN)N!NNN N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:N, N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1 N5OO ON5ON9N:N?O NN5 N5ON9OOON?ON. **NN= N-ON5ON5 N5ON.ON9N? N$N1NN9N4N9OON9N:O N$N6N/ON? 5.000-10.000 ON1N/ON=N5ON5** 3 NN)N!NNN N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:N, N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1 N5OO ON5ON9N:N?O NN5 N5ON9OOON?ON. **NN= N-ON5ON5 N5ON.ON9N? N$N1NN9N4N9OON9N:O N$N6N/ON? 10.000-30.000 ON1N/ON=N5ON5** 4 NN)N!NNN N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:N, N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1 N5OO ON5ON9N:N?O N7 2 N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1 NOOOON7O NN5 N5ON9OOON?ON. **NN= N-ON5ON5 N5ON.ON9N? N$N1NN9N4N9OON9N:O N$N6N/ON? 30.000-70.000 ON1N/ON=N5ON5** 5 NN)N!NNN N1N5ON?ON?ON9N:N, N5N9ON9ON.ON9N1 N5OO ON5ON9N:N?O N7 2 N5N9OON.ON9N1 NOOOON7O +1 N5N9ON9ON.ON9N? N5OO
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I don't post on this list often, But I agree about it being the best! OpenBSD is rock solid. Shane -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:52 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: We all know openbsd isn't the most popular OS in the planet, it's the best, but far from being the most popular. Great words. +rep for this.
new mirror: ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de
Dear OpenBSD team, we offer a new mirror for your project, hosted at RWTH Aachen University in Germany: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/openbsd/ ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/openbsd/ rsync://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/openbsd/ Of course, we also offer OpenBSD at these addresses, as requested: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/pub/OpenBSD/ ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/pub/OpenBSD/ The mirror is offering everything we could find and we consider to also provide access to your distfiles in the near future. We currently offer 2 GBit/sec and will this extend to 10 GBit/sec soon. I still do not have all the data the project offers and do not know where to sync from. Sadly, the mirrors on http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html#rsync do not offer the same data set (and all of them are quite slow). Could you give me access to a - complete - fast - primary? mirror? If you have ACLs, please add 137.226.34.42. More information can be found at http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de Best regards, -- Carsten Otto o...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de LuFG Informatik 2 http://verify.rwth-aachen.de/otto/ RWTH Aachenphone: +49 241 80-21211 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX | criatividade sem barreiras...
se nco conseguir visualizar correctamente o contezdo deste e-mail, por favor, clique aqui AVISO - De acordo com a legislagco internacional que regulamenta o correio electrsnico, Secgco 301, paragrafo (a)(2)(c) Decreto S 1618, tmtulo terceiro aprovado pelo 105 Congresso Base Das Normativas Internacionais Sobre Spam diz o seguinte: O email nco podera ser considerado SPAM quando incluir uma forma do receptor ser removido da lista. Se por algum acaso o seu nome esta inclumdo nesta lista por erro ou gostaria de ser removido desta lista, por favor clique aqui Esta mensagem (incluindo quaisquer anexos) pode conter informagco confidencial ou legalmente protegida para uso exclusivo do destinatario. Se nco for o destinatario pretendido da mesma, nco devera usar, copiar, distribuir ou revelar o seu contezdo (incluindo quaisquer anexos) a terceiros, sem autorizagco. Se recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor informe o emissor por e-mail e elimine-a imediatamente. Obrigado. A transmissco de mensagens via e-mail nco pode ser considerada protegida ou isenta de erros uma vez que a informagco podera ser interceptada, corrompida, perdida, destrumda, chegar ao destino com atraso ou conter vmrus. Assim, o remetente nco podera ser responsabilizado por quaisquer erros ou omissues.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:40 -0400, Kenneth Gober wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: Having that in mind, why didn't he came across a Linux mailing list or a FreeBSD or a my-ass-is-on-fire list ? My point is, what are the odds of an individual asking the completely wrong question on the completely wrong list ? (Think again, asking about RMS on an openbsd list). He is clearly trolling, stop feeding. I don't think we can assume that he didn't. it's likely that he found multiple mailing lists that all had some tenuous relationship to open-source software, and spammed all of them. but I haven't looked in the archives of any other lists to find out. I'm just not that interested. -ken For what it's worth, I am on a good number of oss lists (including Linux), and there are no other mentions of RMS anywhere. -- Vanessa Kraus Fourman Networks 608-399-2600 http://www.fourmannetworks.com Your Budget VPS Provider
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: For what it's worth, I am on a good number of oss lists (including Linux), and there are no other mentions of RMS anywhere. Also FWIW, saw a lot of OpenBSD + RMS chatter on the Twitter in the last 24 hours. http://search.twitter.com/search?ands=openbsdphrase=ors=stallman+rms Just stay away from the rest of the thread you may end up linked to. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net - Twitter: @AFreshOne BOFH excuse of the day: Someone's tie is caught in the printer, and if anything else gets printed, he'll be in it too.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: it's likely that he found multiple mailing lists that all had some tenuous relationship to open-source software, and spammed all of them. but I haven't looked in the archives of any other lists to find out. Cursory googling suggests that we're the only recipient. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Julian Acosta j.acost...@gmail.com wrote: Best Regards, Ing. Julian Acosta Instituto Tecnologico de Cd. Cuauhtimoc Departamento de Posgrado Never trust an institute of technology that uses a Flash splash screen on their (very slow-loading) web site. http://itcdcuauhtemoc.edu.mx/ Other highlights include: * gratuitous movement! * a visitor counter! * and --believe it or not-- frames! No mention of a Julian Acosta on the institute's web site as far as I could see, but the guy in the red shirt may be him. Maybe. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pVC9Iw52aTk/SGHjcHjY3hI/AAs/3tafuaaDKUA/s16 00/en%2Bel%2Bcamion%2Bpara%2Bveracruz.JPG Of course, if it *is* him, then I can *completely* understand why he hasn't had time to figure out where to really find RMS. Totally. SCNR. --ropers
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:05:01PM -0700, Andrew Fresh wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: BLABLABLABLABLABLABLA BLABLABLA So much junk here. Bye bye misc.
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
https://twitter.com/marco_peereboom On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 01:05:01PM -0700, Andrew Fresh wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 02:52:50PM -0500, Vanessa Kraus wrote: For what it's worth, I am on a good number of oss lists (including Linux), and there are no other mentions of RMS anywhere. Also FWIW, saw a lot of OpenBSD + RMS chatter on the Twitter in the last 24 hours. http://search.twitter.com/search?ands=openbsdphrase=ors=stallman+rms Just stay away from the rest of the thread you may end up linked to. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net - Twitter: @AFreshOne BOFH excuse of the day: Someone's tie is caught in the printer, and if anything else gets printed, he'll be in it too.
Re: No Video/X server issue
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Norm Legare normleg...@yahoo.com wrote: OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC.MP) #130: Wed Mar 17 20:48:50 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP ... vga1 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 9100 rev 0xa2 GeForce 8xxx and 9xxx support is not available in 4.7-Release/Stable. It is only available in 4.7-current. Oddly enough, today is a flag day for amd64 due to replacing GCC3 with GCC4 in base. You might want to wait a few days until new snapshots become available. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
??? ???? ????
??? TEL : 8610-7000 FAX : 8610-7111 1:?? ? 100? ??360? 013???(??? ?? ?? ?) ??? :??? ?? ?? 2:??? ??? ? ?? ???:TEL:0532)86107000 3:LG.KT.SK.??? ?? ? 100%?? !! FAX:0532)86107111 ??? ??? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ? ? ? 1: *?? =?? (8697-5858) ??? ? ?? ?? ?)02-123-4567# *?? 013-0325-83** ??? ?? ? ??? * ?? ?(001-86??? ?? ??) 013-0325-83** ? *??? ??? ??? ??? ? ?(???20? ?? ???) ?? =??: 8697-5858(??:0.28? ??:0.48? RMB)??.??.??? ?? = ??:1544-8728 ??? ?? ? ??? RMB?? 2: ??? ??? *?? ??? ?? ??? ??? *??? ? ??? *1:1 ?? ??? *??? ?? ??? *??? ??? ??? ? ?? ??? ??? * ?? ??? 3? IP? 3. LG.KT.SK.SAMSUNG??? ?? ? 100%?? LG.KT.SK.SAMSUNG ??? ?? ??? (100% ??? ?) ?? ?? ?? ??? ? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ? VPN : msn: leechu...@msn.com bosstel7...@hotmail.com boss...@hotmail.com ? ?? ??? ??? ??? :010-8810-8716 :15339993600 ??? ?? ??? ?!# ???
ΣΥΜΒΟΥΛΕΥΤΙΚΗ ΠΩΛΗΣΕΩΝ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΚΡΟΜΕΣΑΙΕΣ ΕΠΙΧΕΙΡΗΣΕΙΣ - ΝΕΟ!
Acapgt]r v_ker jai v_koi, Sto sumgll]mo aqwe_o ha bqe_te pkgqovoq_er cia ]ma jaimot|lo pq|cqalla sulboukeutij^r pyk^seym jai coaching pykgt~m, eidij\ swediasl]mo cia lijqolesa_er epiweiq^seir pou amtiletyp_foum dusjok_er le tir pyk^seir tour. Le vikijo}r waiqetislo}r, jgr Accek\jgr LLM, SAC Dip., Authorized Trainer, Counselor Life Coach, S}lboukor Epiweiq^seym, Ejd|tgr, Succqav]ar. Image A Seminars, Ejd|seir PKGQOTGTA Ehmij^r Amtist\seyr 21, M]a Wakjgd|ma, Ah^ma 143 43 Tgk. 210-2512988 210-2584880 Fax 210-2512988 www.akis-angelakis.com Am dem epihule_te ma kalb\mete tgm paqap\my akkgkocqav_a, paqajako}le pat^ste ed~ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of =?windows-1253?Q?=D3=F5=EC=E2=EF=F5=EB=E5=F5=F4=E9=EA=DE_=D0=F9=EB=DE=F3=E5=F9=ED.pdf?=]
Re: make(1): should := expand twice?
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Joachim Schipper
joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:11:51AM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote:
Makefile:
A=This is the variable A
FOO=$$A
BAR:=$$A
test:
echo '${FOO}'
echo '${BAR}'
I expected, and GNU make gives,
echo '$A'
$A
echo '$A'
$A
However, our make gives
echo '$A'
$A
echo 'This is the variable A'
This is the variable A
Is this sensible, a historical accident that should be preserved, or a
bug? I, at least, was rather surprised...
An addendum to the above: := really does expand exactly twice (and not
until done), although this is not obvious from the above.
Yuck. So they're really two different definitions for :=, where BSD
make defines it as expand the value once immediately, then continue
as with '=' contrasted with GNU make's definition of expand the
value immediately and then suppress further expansion.
Furthermore, GNU make marks the variable as needing immediate
expansion if used with '+=', where BSD make instead has the
(undocumented!) ':+=' and '+:=' operators. Consider:
-
A=$$B
B=b
FOO1=$$A $A
FOO2=
FOO2+=$$A $A
BAR1:=$$A $A
BAR2:=
BAR2+=$$A $A
A=after
test:
@echo '${FOO1}'
@echo '${FOO2}'
@echo '${BAR1}'
@echo '${BAR2}'
prompt$ make
$A after
$A after
after b
$A after
prompt$ gmake
$A after
$A after
$A $B
$A $B
ponder
As clean as the BSD model is, I cannot recall ever needing multiple
rounds of expansion like this and suspect the double expansion to be
unwise and unsafe in general. Does anyone actually have a use case
for this or can it be considered a bug and fixed? (I wonder if the
ports makefiles depend on this...)
Philip Guenther
Question about one slide from Puffy at work presentation
Hi all, someone know which commercial SW is mentioned here in example? http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2010/bsdcan/mgp5.html -- http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
