Re: ed(1) text editor issue with Spanish accents
Hello Alejandro, ed works on both binary and ASCII text, which are all individual bytes. Since ´ is an UTF-8 character, which comprises of the bytes C2 and B4, ed thinks it should only delete a single byte which results in only C2. Your terminal can't tell the meaning of just C2 which results, in this particular case, in a question mark. The reason the character disappears after the backspace is because the presentation layer gets the instruction to clear the column prior to the current position, so hence it appears deleted after the backspace. Currently there's no UTF-8 support in our ed, and I don't see how this can be done without endangering the binary editing capabilities. martijn@ On 12/04/17 00:43, Alejandro G. Peregrina wrote: > Hello, > > I've noticed something unexpected when entering an accent character > alone (´) and then deleting it in ed(1) in xterm(1). Instead of deleting > it, it creates another character which is seen as an inverted > exclamation (?) in the font 'misc-fixed'. > > How to reproduce: > $ uname -a > OpenBSD foo.my.domain 6.2 GENERIC.MP#1 amd64 > $ locale > LANG= > LC_COLLATE="C" > LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 > LC_MONETARY="C" > LC_NUMERIC="C" > LC_TIME="C" > LC_MESSAGES="C" > LC_ALL= > $ #Let's append the ´ character in ed(1) > $ ed -p"> " >> a > ´ > > Now let's delete with a backspace, return to create a newline and a dot > to stop appending, and then print: > > $ ed -p"> " >> a > > . >> p > (?) > > (The (?) is a simulation of the font character that misc-fixed shows to > the terminal.) > > Whenever I use more(1) or less(1) to view it, it shows: > > $ more test.txt > > > > > I have to add that I tested this with urxvt and ed(1) prints an  > character, but more(1) and less(1) keep printing . > > When not using X this can't be reproduced. This is reproducible with > xterm(1) and urxvt(1) in cwm(1) and fvwm(1). I've tested this in Linux > and FreeBSD and this behaviour is not reproducible. > > Thank you, > A >
ed(1) text editor issue with Spanish accents
Hello, I've noticed something unexpected when entering an accent character alone (´) and then deleting it in ed(1) in xterm(1). Instead of deleting it, it creates another character which is seen as an inverted exclamation (?) in the font 'misc-fixed'. How to reproduce: $ uname -a OpenBSD foo.my.domain 6.2 GENERIC.MP#1 amd64 $ locale LANG= LC_COLLATE="C" LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_ALL= $ #Let's append the ´ character in ed(1) $ ed -p"> " > a ´ Now let's delete with a backspace, return to create a newline and a dot to stop appending, and then print: $ ed -p"> " > a . > p (?) (The (?) is a simulation of the font character that misc-fixed shows to the terminal.) Whenever I use more(1) or less(1) to view it, it shows: $ more test.txt I have to add that I tested this with urxvt and ed(1) prints an  character, but more(1) and less(1) keep printing . When not using X this can't be reproduced. This is reproducible with xterm(1) and urxvt(1) in cwm(1) and fvwm(1). I've tested this in Linux and FreeBSD and this behaviour is not reproducible. Thank you, A
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? xemacs21-mule in ports does UTF-8 among others. I'm using it to edit X.Org source files which are using UTF-8 encoded comments in C sources. I've this in my .xemacs/init.el to get proper recognition of UTF-8 files, but I'm not sure if it's still needed or not: ;;;-- ;;; UTF-8 (progn (require 'un-define) (set-coding-priority-list '(utf-8)) (set-coding-category-system 'utf-8 'utf-8)) -- Matthieu Herrb
UTF-8 text editor
Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? Thanks, Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? qemacs from cvs works ok. - Full UTF8 support, including bidirectional editing respecting the Unicode bidi algorithm. Arabic and Indic scripts handling (in progress). qemacs is an emacs-clone # Han
Re: UTF-8 text editor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/ vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan What was lacking from Debian/Linux that made you decide to switch to OpenBSD?
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:12:37PM +0200, Mackan wrote: On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/ vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. As to Unicode, you are probably right. Which is not to say an internationalized OpenBSD isn't possible, but it's probably less built-in than in mainstream Linux distributions. Of course, Unicode is evil, and I for one am pretty happy to limit myself to straight ASCII for 99% of the text I type, and the latter 1% is fairly evenly split between 'inconvenient, but no deal-breaker', 'LaTeX can produce accented characters without me needing to leave the ASCII set' and 'well, this needs doing on a Wintel box anyway'[1]. Joachim [1] For ease of understanding for the rest of the world, I use a venerable Adobe Pagemaker for layout. I like LaTeX, but it's not the easiest program to teach to people, and probably not the most convenient for the more artsy layouts either. (Sort of like HTML, now that I think about it, except that I'm free to compile LaTeX on a non-sucky compiler and send someone the results, instead of being forced to cater for each bug in all major implementations... that, and it does formulas with something that can be described as 'elegance'.)
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On 10 jul 2006, at 21.54, Will H. Backman wrote: Mackan wrote: I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan What was lacking from Debian/Linux that made you decide to switch to OpenBSD? Nothing at all. Debian/Linux is a very functional and feature-rich OS. But I like OpenBSD because of its clean design, and being a more UNIX'ish OS. I decided to use it for my new server. Everything currently running on the old Debian box is now running on the new OpenBSD box. And If I could find a working utf-8 console editor everything would be perfect! Perhaps upgrade was the wrong word to use. Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, Unicode is evil, and I for one am pretty happy to limit myself to straight ASCII for 99% of the text I type No, unicode is not evil. Making ridiculous statements like that is evil. The millions of people who's languages are written in characters not in the ASCII charset should just be happy to limit themselves to ASCII too right? Adam
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:27:42 +0200 Mackan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? I am using mcedit which is a part of Midnight Commander (mc). It is based upon cooledit which supports unicode. You can install it by using pkg_add mc or from ports. I work a lot with DocBook in UTF8 and I normally use Quanta+ but occasionally I need to make a quick change from a terminal. I then use mcedit. I find mcedit extremely user friendly and very easy to use. It has a very nice drop down menu if you press F9, which for example gives you spelling check via ISpell. Best and kind regards, Rico Thanks, Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Joachim Schipper wrote: Of course, Unicode is evil,... [1] For ease of understanding for the rest of the world, I use a venerable Adobe Pagemaker for layout. Erm, wrong on both counts. And for jeebus sake, think of the children next time you boot up pagemaker. Trust me, anyone who takes your pagemaker files hates your guts and wishes you would pony up for InDesign. -- jason
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? On the occasions where I've needed it, I've used ports/editors/vim as an UTF-8 text entry widget. I suspect it suffers severe shortcomings regarding composing characters in exotic writing systems, but it's good enough for flavors of Latin-Greek-Cyrillic. Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. The basics of vi(1) are not hard. People could stand a bit more mental flexibility in that area. Over the years I've used Wordstar-style, UCSD-Pascal-style, Emacs-style, vi-style, and a few other editors and I have failed to form strong opinions about any of those styles. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Yes, that is going to be a problem. In the past I've looked at yudit URL:http://www.yudit.org/, but despite its claim to being intuitive I couldn't quite make sense of it, so I never created a port. (I'm aware that this might seem ironic in the light of my remark above.) -- Christian naddy Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Text Editor
Hi all. I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. Thanks. -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://salvatti.expert.com.br e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eu tinha uma vida antes de conhecer o computador
Re: Text Editor
If you mean a word processor, then you have KOffice and AbiWord to choose from. You should probably be most comfortable with those. -Original Message- From: Joco Salvatti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 9/12/2005 3:49 PM To: Misc OpenBSD Cc: Subject:Text Editor Hi all. I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. Thanks. -- Joco Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://salvatti.expert.com.br e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eu tinha uma vida antes de conhecer o computador
Re: Text Editor
Joco Salvatti wrote: I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. Well, abiword isn't that bad. If you're running kde, you might want to try kword from the koffice package... Regards, Antoine
Re: Text Editor
I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X Try Paranoid Writer or XedPlus, they are both part of the productivity/siag port/package. -Jason
Re: Text Editor
Joco Salvatti wrote: Hi all. I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. gedit/kedit/kate and so on.. Or abiword for *.doc and rtf and so on. Or my favourite: vi/vim/gvim ;) -- Adam PAPAI D i g i t a l Influence Phone: +36 30 33-55-735 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Text Editor
I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. You mean a plain TEXT editor or a WYSIWYG kind of editor (~MS word) ? If you refered to the first one I would suggest an xterm + vim or gvim. I _don't_ want to start a flame war thus I would ALSO suggest [x]emacs The other kind of editor: abiword or if you got some hard drive space to waste try kword which is included in koffice All said apps exist as ports and packages.
Re: Text Editor
You might try gvim, or xemacs, or bluefish? Mike
Re: Text Editor
On 9/12/05, Joco Salvatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. Ted 2.17 http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/ an *.rtf editor has been tested heavily on OpenBSD 3.5 and 3.6. Get the ted-2.17.src.tar.gz tarball. You can install it as a local user. To do that: 1) Unpack the tarball. 2) Make sure that you have openmotif installed (usr/ports/ x11/openmotif). 3) As a regular user do $ make 4) Then do $ make private Ted will create 4 directories: ~/Ted, ~/bin, ~/afm and ~/ind. Ted can export to *pdf using the script ~/Ted/rtf2pdf.sh and also save *.rtf documents to *.html. In addition it can copy and paste images as well as text. Spell check is available in Spanish and Portuguese also. -- Kind regards, Jonathan
Re: Text Editor
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:49:16AM -0300, Joco Salvatti wrote: Hi all. I'd like to know if anyone can tell me a good text editor that runs under X environment. I'd like to know a good one, since there is no OpenOffice port to OpenBSD. I've just tried out OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta, and it seems to be running fine on my i386 -CURRENT system, under linux emulation. As OO.org comes packaged as a number of rpm's these days, I just unpacked them all with the help of rpm2cpio, and then ran the soffice binary that's included in them. But I haven't done much testing on it; I only use OO.org when I have to be able to read files created by MS Office, which luckily doesn't happen very often ;-) Regards, Sebastiaan
Re: Text Editor
Selon Sebastiaan Indesteege [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just tried out OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta, and it seems to be running fine on my i386 -CURRENT system, under linux emulation. Which is only available on i386 :(
Re: Text Editor
Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Antoine Jacoutot: [Charset ISO-8859-15 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Selon Sebastiaan Indesteege [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just tried out OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta, and it seems to be running fine on my i386 -CURRENT system, under linux emulation. Which is only available on i386 :( which is relatively easy to fix having enough motivation... cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: Text Editor
Michael Shalayeff wrote: which is relatively easy to fix having enough motivation... Well, not really, one must also have the knowledge to do it, which I have not, unfortunately ;)
Re: Text Editor
Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from STeve Andre': [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] On Monday 12 September 2005 14:56, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Michael Shalayeff wrote: you barely need to even program anything. so yeah excuses... bla bla bla... oh well, whatever dude... Michael makes an important point here. One often does not know how to do something at the beginning of a project and must learn how to do the things needed to achieve a goal. oh kamon! you do not expect a typical misc@ material to suddenly jump into doing anything?! (; i get dellusions once in a while but i think not many other pplz actually do get that (: Software is that way exactly. Learn by doing, make mistakes and learn from them, and gain knowledge on the way. Did the USA know how to get to the Moon in 1963? No. But we did it inside of seven years, because we were willing to research it and not whine. except nobody really was on the moon (: it's a hollywood made commercial for startrek! Becoming a developer needs the proper state of mind. Say that you will and you can, eventually. All a matter of priorities. this compat/linux project is an excellent way to get a little look inside the kernel for smb who has no idea how it works inside [yet]. it is quite well documented as well. cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: Text Editor
STeve Andre' wrote: Michael makes an important point here. One often does not know how to do something at the beginning of a project and must learn how to do the things needed to achieve a goal. I know that, but be realistic, I know _nothing_ about programming... So I don't think saying it is only a matter of motivation is not really true. I'm not 18 anymore and I don't have time to learn C enough to do something like that.
Re: Text Editor
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antoine Jacoutot Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:45 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Text Editor STeve Andre' wrote: Michael makes an important point here. One often does not know how to do something at the beginning of a project and must learn how to do the things needed to achieve a goal. I know that, but be realistic, I know _nothing_ about programming... So I don't think saying it is only a matter of motivation is not really true. I'm not 18 anymore and I don't have time to learn C enough to do something like that. Well at least misc@ is a nurturing and gentle environment for the aspiring programmer.
Re: Text editor
Hi your answers help me a lot, I just want to know exactly what you said!! how many options I have around text editors. Finally,I will use vi, perhaps like you said is the harder option but if a lot of UNIX people use it and recommand that means something... Thank you very much for all the info ;) Salutes, Mike Mike Henker escribis: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Salutes, Mike
Re: Text editor
J.C. Roberts wrote: 3.) Learn ed -If vi is not installed, ed probably is. Some ancient systems don't have vi but the odds of coming across such a system are fairly slim. The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have to use it on occasion (shudder). /Sigfred
Re: Text editor
On Sunday, 7 August 2005 at 9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote: The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have to use it on occasion (shudder). And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed. Life is tough :-) Zoong
Re: Text editor
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 06:21:55PM +1000, Zoong PHAM wrote: On Sunday, 7 August 2005 at 9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote: The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have to use it on occasion (shudder). And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed. Life is tough :-) shudder? tough? it is 166kb of kick ass editor that will save your life someday. all hail and revel in the glory that is ed(1)! SEE ALSO A Tutorial Introduction to the UNIX Text Editor, /usr/share/doc/usd/09.edtut/. jmc
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I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come in handly for this (such as the pocket version of vi tips), but the best way to learn is of course to read the man page. Aside from the man page, if you install vim (which i highly recommend), there is a little program/script/whatever called vimtutor that will get you familiar with vi/vim. I hop this helps a little bit. Good luck.. and welcome to UNIX (not those linux wannabees :P) On 8/7/05, Jason McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 06:21:55PM +1000, Zoong PHAM wrote: On Sunday, 7 August 2005 at 9:34:18 +0200, Sigfred Heversen wrote: The only text editor in bsd.rd is ed, so chances are that one may have to use it on occasion (shudder). And if you are in support role, sometimes you have to tell someone on the phone how to edit system config files (in single user mode) with ed. Life is tough :-) shudder? tough? it is 166kb of kick ass editor that will save your life someday. all hail and revel in the glory that is ed(1)! SEE ALSO A Tutorial Introduction to the UNIX Text Editor, /usr/share/doc/usd/09.edtut/. jmc
Re: Text editor
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, imEnsion wrote: I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come in handly for this (such as the pocket version of vi tips), but the best way to learn is of course to read the man page. Which refers you to An Introduction to Display Editing with Vi, /usr/share/doc/usd/12.vi/. This document is the closest thing available to an introductionto the vi screen editor. -Otto
Re: Text editor
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, imEnsion wrote: I'm surprised everyone keeps recommending using vi and vim, yet no one has given a pointer on how to learn it. Sure, an OReilly book may come An Introduction to Display Editing with Vi, /usr/share/doc/usd/12.vi/. This document is the closest thing available to an introductionto the vi screen editor. To learn the basics of vi, vim comes in handy. After installing vim, one can use vimtutor to learn-by-doing all the useful basics in roughly 30 minutes - and those work in our base nvi as well. It is well-written and very effective at teaching vi. Afterwards one is skilled enough to appreciate the complete documentation and do any configuration work and/or nvi-based programming on OpenBSD without (further) packages installed. Moritz
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You guys are all sissies. Real men use cat(1).
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If you install the port vim, it comes with vimtutor. You just type: $ /usr/local/bin/vimtutor And the tutor is pretty good. It helped me out. Brian Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Text editor
You can use mg on OpenBSD. All you have to learn to get started is that ctrl-x ctrl-c saves the file and exits. # Han
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Richard P. Koett wrote: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 You guys are all sissies. Real men use cat(1). What kind of men use Outlook? Well, at least you can still do: C:\ copy con stuff.bat @echo off del /s * nul ^Z C:\ stuff
Re: Text editor
On 8/6/05, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/6/05, Mike Henker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Salutes, Mike vi is my editor of choice. But if you don't have a UNIX background you might want to try joe. We need to be very carefull with the tools we learn as a student and the ones as we teach as a professor. That's because the tools we use shape the way we think and solve problems and will dictate aour thinking habit to the selenity. Unlearning is not a possible experience. So, we you have no experience with computer, start with unix, if you have no experience editing in unix env, start with vi, it's the only safe choice, it there, every where, in each unix flavor and is very mature. My 4 cents. -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
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http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html Ed, man! !man ed On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Richard P. Koett wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:01:40 -0700 From: Richard P. Koett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Text editor You guys are all sissies. Real men use cat(1).
Re: Text editor
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:34:44 + (GMT), Paul Pruett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html Ed, man! !man ed From the paged linked above: Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed: golem$ ed ? help ? ? ? quit ? exit ? bye ? hello? ? eat flaming death ? ^C ? ^C ? ^D ? An now I have to wonder if I've been hacked by someone who wants to record all my console sessions... ;-) JCR -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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On 2005-08-07 09:01:40 -0700, Richard P. Koett wrote: Real men use cat(1). And real women use magnets. :-) Best Martin -- http://www.tm.oneiros.de
Re: Text editor
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 08:52:17PM +0200, Mike Henker wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Personally, I prefer vi(1), but for newbies, mg(1) may be a better choice. Ciao, Kili
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Quoting Matthias Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 08:52:17PM +0200, Mike Henker wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Personally, I prefer vi(1), but for newbies, mg(1) may be a better choice. Ciao, Kili You can also install nano from ports or package, nice and simple editor. This message has been sent through ihosting.be To report spamming or other unaccepted behavior by a iHosting customer, please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 8/6/05, Mike Henker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Salutes, Mike vi is my editor of choice. But if you don't have a UNIX background you might want to try joe. -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
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On 2005-08-06 20:52:17 +0200, Mike Henker wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I man -k editor Best Martin -- http://www.tm.oneiros.de
Re: Text editor
On 8/6/05, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5.) pico is a very simple editor that is friendly to new people who have only worked with modeless editors like MS notepad. If you just want to edit the damn file without destroying it or giving up in frustration, pico is a good answer that works in a familiar way. pico is part of the pine email client available in the OpenBSD ports/packages collection. Great summary of text editors, imho. Just want to mention that if you don't want to install pine just to use pico, you can try nano, which is basically pico. The name is another of the countless silly jokes I guess... :) Mike
Re: Text editor
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:10:49 -0400, Mike Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/6/05, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5.) pico is a very simple editor that is friendly to new people who have only worked with modeless editors like MS notepad. If you just want to edit the damn file without destroying it or giving up in frustration, pico is a good answer that works in a familiar way. pico is part of the pine email client available in the OpenBSD ports/packages collection. Great summary of text editors, imho. Just want to mention that if you don't want to install pine just to use pico, you can try nano, which is basically pico. The name is another of the countless silly jokes I guess... :) Mike Unix is simple but it takes a genius to understand the jokes. (; JCR
