Re: [Mpls] comment to (no subject)
Our insurance company is covering the cost of medical treatment for my husband's injuries - but won't cover the damage to the vehicle as someone else hit him in 2001 and this is technically the second not-at-fault-accident they would have to pay out for. Regardless, the young man slammed into him while he was at a dead-stop signalling to turn left, and is currently free to drive without a license and insurance. We will likely go after him in civil court per the advice of our attorney. A few points of my own: The article I read mentioned MISDEMEANOR violations - guess it depends on whether or not you consider a misdemeanor a MINOR offense; last I checked a DWI is a misdemeanor...not unlike the charges pending for the recent lead-foot congressman incident. Considering these were repeat offenders it wouldn't be offering them a second chance, but actually a THIRD. And lastly, if litterbugs WERE prosecuted, we wouldn't have to pay OR reward people to pick up their own litter-laden neighborhoods in the first place. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] (no subject)
Is anyone else even slightly miffed about the free ride issued to repeat misdemeanor traffic offenders at Pilot City last Saturday For a mere two hours picking up trash on West Broadway, folks with multiple arrests and/or outstanding warrants for misdemeanor traffic violations had the chance to get their driving records cleaned up. Why? 1. Because they were primarily African American and unable to stand up and face the music like the rest of the population and 2. They're clogging up the administration downtown with too much paperwork. I guess I'm suppose to take comfort that after pulling weeds for two hours, or as the article suggested, paying his debt to society, the young black man who was driving after his license was revoked sans insurance, and slammed into the rear end of my husband's vehicle and caused $5600 worth of damage remains free to drive, and to kareen around uninsured and unlicensed...he never showed up to his court date - and now doesn't have to thanks to Mark Stenglien and the African American project for irresponsibility that sponsored this timely event... Jill Harmon WHITE and PISSED Cleveland _ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] comment to (no subject)
The 'mainstream' media also reported that Commissioner Stenglien described the event as a prime example that it's a untrue that Black men don't care. Why no 'mainstream' announcement of the event? Had the sponsors advertised prior to the event to a more ethnically diverse audience, they may have had a bigger (more diverse) turnout. As far as the racist tag, if the people were PERIWINKLE they still got off easy. END OF CONVERSATION - END OF RACIAL THREAD. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Home Ownership, and kind list members helping Dyna with herfinances...
A nice break for the current and future residents of the new developments at Heritage Park - the property will be maintained (lawn, maintenance, weeding, snow removal, etc.) by the Public Housing Authority ( or a service hired by them ) I imagine most lower income residents can't afford a lawnmower, weedwacker, shrub trimmer, snowblower, rake, shovel, paint, brushes, hoses, sprinklers, poopscoops I shoulda bought a condo... Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Home Ownerships: The Problems
This is what angers me about inspections nailing the individual homeowner for slightly chipped paint when they've blatantly neglected to inspect an entire population of potentially hazardous properties. I could spend thousands rehabbing my house, but if the neighboring property is a ramshackle rental, my value plummets regardless... Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] LRT/ Frats
Sean Ryan's thought seems to me like it could relate to property everywhere, not just near the U. I find it unfortunate that people (insert renters/landlords/owners) have lost respect for the places that there 'brothers' worked hard to build decades ago. Deferred maintenance and lack of basic values has plagued many of these once symbolic homes (insert MINNEAPOLIS or anywhere USA here.) Can't sleep, and have a 8am appointment with a can of paint and a bucket o' donut holes...if all goes well Ill weedwack. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Mark Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Minneapolis Issues Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] LRT/ Frats Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:39:36 -0500 On 8/22/03 8:57 PM, Michael Atherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Ryan wrote: Both historic designation and LRT could be beneficial to the University/Prospect Park communities. I find it unfortunate that people (fraternities) have lost respect for the places that there 'brother's' worked hard to build decades ago. Deferred maintenance and lack of basic values has plagued many of these once symbolic homes surrounding the U of M. Simple things like painting every 7-10 years and keeping that ratty old velour cough off of the lawn would be a start. Many 'Frats' were built to last a century and many have but sadly basic measures were not taken to sustain the structures. Now the HPC must get involved before these pieces of the neighborhood history rot into the ground. Certainly a clause could be worked in to allow for future LRT service (a tremendously good idea) to link our sister cities. Perhaps this could be related to a change in our value system from the turn of century to now. Party now, consequences later. My post said nothing about the value of the proposal to make fraternity row a historic district. I was offended by the attitude of someone in a position of power within a neighborhood association who seems to think that they have as much right of ownership as a person who holds the title of a property. [snip] I don't believe that Historic designation requires maintenance, it just limits the types of changes that can be made. If these properties are substandard, there's always the Housing Dept to issue violations; which was the subject of the thread to being with. The designation does require that a major project, such as LRT, do additional studies and make additional expenditures. Although Michael was not arguing against the proposal to turn Fraternity Row (and parts of Dinkytown where other fraternities and sororities are located) into a historic district, I will. First off, I agree with his comment that the Florence Littman quote in the Strib goes way overboard. If she thinks she can claim ownership of the fraternity and sorority houses, I hope she won't mind when some of them come visit for her contribution to their second half property taxes in a couple months. Greek houses are zoned commercial as lodging houses, so they pay a little more than their homesteaded neighbors like Florence. What a lot of people don't realize about the Greek system is that while U of MN students live in the houses, most, if not all, are actually owned by alumni housing corporations (alumni boards) and these folks are pretty much all volunteers. I'm vice president for mine. I agree that some of the chapters at the U have not done the best job at maintaining their properties, but I don't think historic designation is the way to remedy that problem. As Michael points out, historic designation does not require maintenance. What it does do is create more hoops to jump through to do maintenance work. There are already quite enough of those with the code of ordinances and an understaffed Inspections department that barely can keep up with violations, let alone provide guidance, thank you. Greek alumni boards already have enough to do with routine maintenance for old structures (most were built in the late 1800's to early 1900's) that are subjected to about as much traffic and abuse as a small apartment building would be. My board of five members has probably volunteered a collective 200-250 hours this past month on some major renovations at one of the houses we own. This is nearly all done on evenings and weekends after we put in 40 or more hours at our regular jobs. While some chapters hire out maintenance to contractors and others defer, there are a few of us who do a lot of the upkeep ourselves because it's so expensive and we want to keep rents as affordable as possible for our undergraduate members. Tuition increases are hard enough on them as it is without us raising the rent, too. I hadn't heard anything about the historic designation being a way to prevent LRT from coming to University Ave, but if Michael is correct about that, it just makes the idea even worse. University Ave. is a perfect route for connecting Minneapolis to St. Paul and would only strengthen the plans that are
Re: [Mpls] LRT/ Frats
Unfortunately historic designation can sometimes quadruple the cost re: particular materials required, techniques, loop-de-loops...and results in a much larger expenditure than a standard 'rehab'. Guess it depends on who's buying. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Prison Time for Pealing Paint: the Next Stage in Minneapolis DeathSpiral?
I got one too; mine was a cutesie letter from some pseudo-neighborhood clean-up organization stating that if I don't paint the trim on my garage in two weeks I can expect a violation notice from the city. I called and told them I felt there were more important things going on in North Minneapolis than chipping paint, and that they can come and pry the paintbrush out of my cold, dead hands. I mentioned I didn't like that the rather threatening tone of the letter either - apparently the city has kept enough employees to be able to send someone out to do it for me for an exorbinant amount of money. Does anyone know if they let you look at a color chart? Or do they use street-stripe yellow on everybody's? I also told them my neighbor's garage has been physically crumbling for years and that I hope they got a nice letter too. I twisted the knife by reminding them that there's a vacant house owned by the city on the corner of 34th Russell that's been sitting for nearly SIX YEARS. He assured me by saying they sent out 250 notices... Jerks, Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Prison Time for Pealing Paint: the Next Stage in Minneapolis Death Spiral? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:13:26 -0500 As Mark Snyder has noted, I'm not the only citizen targeted in Inspection's latest fund raising scheme. In hopes of making the city budget our city has decided to raise tax rates by 8% a year. Add in paper appreciation in housing values and the loss of various protections like the circuit breaker and we're looking at double digit property tax increases for years to come. Unfortunately, our city fathers and mothers are assuming that we taxpayers will blindly pay these increases. In reality as taxes increase more citizens will cancel improvements that would increase the tax base. Here on the Northside many properties have sat empty for months and ultimately will go tax forfeit when the increasing taxes on them exceed their rental potential or value to an owner occupant. I have no doubt Inspections thinks the revenue from wholesale fines will fill their departments funding gap. In reality assessing thousands of dollars of fines on property owners who are barely able to pay the taxes on their empty buildings in crime ridden neighborhoods will merely hasten the day when they give up and let their properties go tax forfeit. Ultimately the city will find itself in similar straights to what it did in the early 90s- stuck with a bunch of never to be paid assessments and unpaid tax bills on worthless vacant lots. To cover those losses they'll raise taxes even more and levy even more fines- and more citizens will move out and leave the city with even less revenue and more expenses. from increasingly abandoned Hawthorne, Dyna Sluyter On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 11:39 PM, Mark Snyder wrote: You have my sympathies. I'm vice president for my fraternity alumni housing corporation. We received a similar summons a few days ago to appear in court next week over failure to fix a retaining wall at our chapter house in Dinkytown. It was damaged earlier this year when a truck exiting the neighboring parking lot ran into it and knocked part of it down. The sad thing is that we did get the retaining wall fixed. It was a few weeks after the deadline that Inspections had set because we had trouble finding a contractor to do the job, but the work was completed about six weeks ago. And we already paid a $100 reinspection fee for missing that deadline. As best I can guess, the inspector did not bother to check the retaining wall out before filing a complaint with the courts or the turnaround time from when he filed to when a date was actually set must be awfully slow. I'm all for aggressive enforcement of the housing ordinances, but this is a little ridiculous! What's next - going after homeowners that have tallish flowers in their boulevard gardens? Oops - they already do that, too. Mark Snyder Windom Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Chat privately with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger!
Re: [Mpls] Prison Time for Pealing Paint: the Next Stage in Minneapolis DeathSpiral?
I know I shouldn't be so grumpy and just paint the thing - Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Barbara Lickness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Prison Time for Pealing Paint: the Next Stage in Minneapolis Death Spiral? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Don't know the neighborhood group here, but, try to cut them some slack. What they did was probably done as part of their commitment to citizen inspections. I learned a long time ago that dealing with criminal issues is about way more than policing. It's a holistic approach that includes crime management methods, stabilizing the housing stock by fixing up dilapidated or deteriorating housing and adding home ownership opportunities in neighborhoods that are high rental. It's about making the local schools and parks attractive and the library too if there is one in your neighborhood. It's about developing social service and educational programs in attempts to address some of the over-arching issues that are causing social stress in neighborhoods. I am sure if you tell them painting isn't something you can do right now, they will probably work with you to help out if you need. Give them a chance and give them a break. They are volunteers. Barb Lickness Whittier taking the day off and heading to Minnesota's great State Fair Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _ bMSN 8:/b Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Sabo Named 2002 Noise Legislator of the Year - Some Southsiders alsoneed to dodge!
My apologies everybody- you're right - just a little fed-up and crabby today. Jill From: gemgram [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Sabo Named 2002 Noise Legislator of the Year - Some Southsiders also need to dodge! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:11:47 -0500 Please Jill, do not lump all Southsiders together. Some of us are also in neighborhoods where you have to dodge bullets. Eric, a really cool person who had beaten chemical addiction and Franklin Avenue to live in the neighborhood after living in a cardboard box in the Ventura Village Neighborhood was murdered last night. The poster child of success and reclaimed lives was taken by those same mean streets that he had escaped a life on. We in Ventura Village mourn tonight for him and his family. We took such pride in him and his power to return from that evil voyage of addiction, but he has been taken now. We will miss that demonstration of such power to re-control one's life. It was an example for each of us in the power of the spirit if we allow it into our lives. Real Communities take more pride in those who have been recovered sometimes than its regular members, because they have been lost and then again found. We will miss Eric's good humor and Truth, but mostly we will miss him. He was a part of each of us. Jim Graham, Ventura Village We can only be what we give ourselves the power to be - A Cherokee Feast of Days - Original Message - From: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Sabo Named 2002 Noise Legislator of the Year Are you sure you didn't mean to say Noisiest? How many deaths have been a direct result of airport noise? Not nearly as many as a stray bullet I wouldn't think. And wasn't the airport there FIRST? Doesn't that sort of give them 'dibs'? While south siders are whining about nuisances such as airport noise and why their lakes are 'so stinky', north siders are dodging bullets. There ain't no justice. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Correction re MacPhail Construction
Sorry to be a menace...to the list and otherwise! Jill From: Tetzlaff, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'j c harmon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Correction re MacPhail Construction Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:53:15 -0500 This may have already been noted, I hate to publicly correct JC, but - The construction JC refers to below is in fact an office bldg, housing units parking being built by CSM on the block across from the Hyatt Whitney, which itself will soon be converted to condos. MacPhail is currently in fund-raising mode, will build on the corner of 2d St. 5th Ave. when funding is complete. Bill Tetzlaff MCDA/Kingfield -Original Message- From: j c harmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] question about MacPhail The new MacPhail Center is under construction at Portland and 2nd Avenue South, across the street from the Hyatt Whitney Hotel. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] A few points re: police v. Johnson Lee
Right on David. What irks me most of all about the whole thing is Johnson Lee's insinuation that the cop 'didn't know she was a council member'. So what. She's the one rallying that everyone be treated equally, but gets pissy because she wasn't recognized as some sort of local celebrity. Tough bounce. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Did the MPS close the gap with C.J. at the helm?
Good points - however, Ms. Johnson DID manage to close her SALARY gap... : ) Jill Harmon Cleveland _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] question about MacPhail
The new MacPhail Center is under construction at Portland and 2nd Avenue South, across the street from the Hyatt Whitney Hotel. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: David Strand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Harmon Historic District-question about MacPhail Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Bravo! As a resident of one of those prewar buildings bordering the historic district this is great news that the Supreme Court upheld the district designation. I the MacPhail Center still to be demolished due to the St. Thomas expansion? I know at one point plans called for this. Just a couple of weeks ago a relative of mine visiting from South Dakota who is now in her 80's was rather distressed that this building that had so much meaning for her while growing up in Minneapolis might be torn down. David Strand Loring Park __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Mpls spending and LGA
I'm all for 'sin' taxes - fur coats, cigarettes, liquor, viagra...but am wondering why cigarettes are now down to less than $3/pack. A couple years back they were much more. Is this a Pawlenty/republican/big tobacco thing? Can't the city and/or the state tax them to the hilt - calling it a public health issue? Why isn't anyone taxing the hell out of them being the tobacco companies were sued and smoking has been outlawed nearly everywhere? Just curious... Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Olsen press conference
Did anyone on the list attend the press conference in Jordan today? I haven't been able to catch it on the news except in blips. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Sabo Named 2002 Noise Legislator of the Year
Are you sure you didn't mean to say Noisiest? How many deaths have been a direct result of airport noise? Not nearly as many as a stray bullet I wouldn't think. And wasn't the airport there FIRST? Doesn't that sort of give them 'dibs'? While south siders are whining about nuisances such as airport noise and why their lakes are 'so stinky', north siders are dodging bullets. There ain't no justice. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Gangs, Drugs and Patrols
The woman interviewed on television the other night, relative to the shooting of a toddler, had a nine-inch tattoo running up the side of her neck. MEN aren't the only gang members to worry about. Right after moving into the lovely Cleveland neighborhood, the nice young black woman across the street told my husband to (quote), get his white ass in the house before she put a 'cap' in his ass. The outburst being spurred by the fact that he had the NERVE to ask the nice young man picking her up if he wouldn't mind turning down his bass cannon and not honking his horn continuously to let her know he arrived) Jill Harmon Cleveland PS Her mother works for the Minneapolis schools - what a deal. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Gangs, Drugs and Patrols
For all we know Campbell has a tattoo. My point was that if you play (with gangs), sometimes you pay - not with your own life or livlihood (which doesn't appear to be the case) but that with folks you care about that live with you. I think the correct term is collateral damage. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Gangs, Drugs and Patrols
Her tattoo wasn't a horsie or a kitty, and it's not unusual for women involved with gangmembers to be tagged with tattoos - I'll let tattooed and current residents of the Seward community comment as to the nature of theirs, thanks. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] C.M. Samuels on MPR
Oh, so they're from Chicago now? Not Gary...or Detroit... or New York... What a relief. What's the MN Dept of Tourism say - what's the big attraction? The owner at that 'mall' says we're too small; the weather stinks, there's no transit, no housing, no jobs, no welfare. Are the citizens of Minneapolis to believe that this city's thirst for contraband is heftier than the windy city's? Jill Harmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] C.M. Samuels on MPR Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:49:47 EDT If you didn't have a chance to hear Mr. Samuels yesterday it's quite worth your while to pull it from the archives offered on someone elses post today. He's a motivating man, highly eloquent. I called in and inquired as to the makeup of the dealers and he confirmed that bangers are migrating especially from Chicago. Does anyone happen to know which gangs these are and what their M.O. might be? Hopefully we won't have the savagery of the Detroit Boys or their ilk to deal with. Jon Gorder Loring Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] GoMemphis reports: Johnson will be new supt.
Nothing to keep a superintendent here? The salary bump served up by the school board last year during their budget crisis to keep her majesty here seemed to do it. Doesn't her dedication to the students of Minneapolis suffering a pathetic 40% graduation rate garner SOME reason to stay and FIX it? I'm sure Steve Belton isn't the only one with a $400 per month car allowance - with perks like that I'm surprised she doesn't stay. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Jason C Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] GoMemphis reports: Johnson will be new supt. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) I have a hard time believing that it takes salaries at those levels to attract qualified candidates. Methinks that needs be rethunk. Jason Stone | Hale List Manager wrote: Strib's reporting it too: http://www.startribune.com/stories/1592/4017083.html Doug Grow: There's nothing to keep a superintendent here http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/4017070.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] GoMemphis reports: Johnson will be new supt.
Sans snippiness, why do Minneapolis and St. Paul feel they're the ONLY cities and school districts in the nation dealing with immigrants and the education thereof? I simply don't believe that. And she hasn't 'given' 30 years of her life - she was paid a salary for what she chose as a profession. I'm sure she's done a good job, however I get sick of hearing how wonderful a job she does/has done then listening to everyone lamenting that the schools here SUCK. If the chief administrator of a school district isn't responsible for the performance of their district than who is? Jill Harmon Cleveland From: WizardMarks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: j c harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] GoMemphis reports: Johnson will be new supt. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:56:54 -0500 There is no call to savage a woman who has given 30 years of her professional life to the children of Minneapolis, first as a teacher, then a principal, then assistant super, and finally, super. As Terrell Brown noted, what she made as superintendent was not excessive considering the responsibility. Too, she turned down the raise, so beating that dead horse is pointless. The poor graduation rate cannot be cured easily, if at all. To change that would require moving at least three entities off the dime--the feds, the leggie, and the teacher's unions. Our state has been jacking the kids around for several years now, profile of learning/no profile being one of the problems the legislature brings us on a regular basis. Short-changing schools rather than arranging the tax laws to support them is another. Presuming that we can afford to waste the talents of any child as a future adult is a third, though maybe first in line. Too, perhaps only here and in St. Paul does the school district have to deal with massive numbers of immigrants from several different language and cultural groups as well as those who have been poorly served in education and are born here (Indians, African Americans, poor whites). I can hear the snippiness in her majesty, but Johnson doesn't deserve that. This is an opportunity for a school superintendent. I feel quite satisfied that our school board chose so well. After all, Tennessee wouldn't want her if she were just any-old-body. The particulars of her c. vitae must be awesome. WizardMarks, Central j c harmon wrote: Nothing to keep a superintendent here? The salary bump served up by the school board last year during their budget crisis to keep her majesty here seemed to do it. Doesn't her dedication to the students of Minneapolis suffering a pathetic 40% graduation rate garner SOME reason to stay and FIX it? I'm sure Steve Belton isn't the only one with a $400 per month car allowance - with perks like that I'm surprised she doesn't stay. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Jason C Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] GoMemphis reports: Johnson will be new supt. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) I have a hard time believing that it takes salaries at those levels to attract qualified candidates. Methinks that needs be rethunk. Jason Stone | Hale List Manager wrote: Strib's reporting it too: http://www.startribune.com/stories/1592/4017083.html Doug Grow: There's nothing to keep a superintendent here http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/4017070.html David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features
Re: [Mpls] Westbank crime situation
RE: Gentrification It could be that this melting pot of various ethnicities and cultures doesn't feel the cops will do anything anyway, or maybe they're practiced at looking the other way. Some of the residents are from places where much worse crimes took place. I'm sure there are a number of factors. There's a very large amount of public housing units in that small area, one of the few highrise type buildings left. There are often inebriates wandering about as well. In my days of frequenting some of the establishments for music and/or adult beverages, I've always been amazed at the peacefulness of the very often just as mixed crowd. I've been elbow to armpit at shows and have rarely seen a ruckess - even though I'm hopeful the fire codes have been strengthened w/regard to crowd capacity...heh, heh. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Michelle: I fail to understand how the police engaging in the withholding of services could be construed as a reason for the under-reporting of crimes on the west bank area. Wouldn't the crime have to be reported for the police to selectively withhold services? Also, how to the "gentrification forces" on the west bank stop these crimes from being reported? Is it an internal (within city government) conspiracy where the calls (by the victims) are actually made, but the internal forces just don't respond to, ordoes the "gentrification force" actually have undercover people that strong-arm victims into not reporting the crimes? In all fairness (and I can only speak formy immediate neighborhood),on a dailybasis, I witness numerous incidents (for which I call 911) of illegal activity and not only are they ALL responded to. MOST (not all) of my minority neighbors choose to turn a blind-eye. Seems to me that the issue is more an issue of trust (hopefully seating a new chief will help) than it is of conspiracy. Am I part of the gentrification force? My wife who is African American and native american, would be very surprised to find this out. Dennis Plante JordanMSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: [Mpls] Environment Activist Not Welcome
I'm certain there's EZ money in it and Havey's an employee of the MCDA/now CPED...and offices at the MCDA. In addition Darrell Washington, the project coordinator for the Heritage Park Project, now reports to Havey. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: WizardMarks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Environment Activist Not Welcome Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:20 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the dust cleared today from the city of Minneapolis work crews at Heritage Park, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Flowers and myself decided to evaluate the progress. This resulted in lies being told to armed security guards, the Minneapolis Park Police and the Minneapolis Police Department. All of this occurred as Minneapolis department head Kim Havey, and two unidentified participants watched for over 40 minutes from the same city sidewalk that we stood on. I don't understand why Havey would be there. He's head of the Enterprise Zone stuff. Does the EZ have money in Heritage Park? WizardMarks, Central TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] HiltonFund/NRP
It's my understanding that the reason MCDA had to be formally dismantled at the legislative level, and CPED then created in its stead, was so the city would have direct access to Common Project funds in addition to the Hilton money. The Hilton funds have been brought up for years as some sort of fix-all for various projects of interest...sure hope it's gaining good interest...heh, heh. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Lisa McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] HiltonFund/NRP Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:07:43 -0500 After reading this mornings article in the Strib, I'm wondering if the City is successful in raiding the Hilton Hotel Funds for the MCDA,will the MCDA no longer take the $2.1 million a year they are getting to administer the Common Project? Maybe in the spirit of generosity and cooperation with the neighborhoods the MCDA will return that money to NRP to be used for neighborhood programs. Lisa McDonald East Harriet _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Spin Will Not Win
My understanding is that MCDA/now CPED let four former directors go in a streamlining attempt but those folks will be paid through the end of this year as they have a six-month severance package. The new directors make more than the old, so the city will pretty much be paying seven directors' salaries through the end of the year. Slick, eh? Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Peter T Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Spin Will Not Win Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:55:38 -0500 David asks: 1. Restructuring. How can the city justify $100,000 salaries at a time of layoffs - and when a similar number of MCDA high-level execs were let go. 2. Related to #1: Is this about downsizing, or merely cleaning house at the top? 3. The 35W Access Project has split neighborhoods and activists. It has been portrayed as helping major employers at the expense of neighborhood livability (though others say major employers and neighborhood livability will both be improved). Was Mike Christensen involved in the Access Project, and how will he handle it as head of strategic partnerships and planning? 4. What neighborhood-level experience does the CPED leadership bring? Based as much on history as any one appointee's resume, there is skepticism that economic development will be guided by a bottom-up philosophy (as opposed to a long-running big-employer, top-down one.) How can the mayor or Mr. Sheehy reassure reasonable skeptics that CPED's reform is nothing more than repackaged top-down.? Peter says: Excellent questions, David. Thank you very much for posing them. David says: I would appreciate answers from someone at City Hall to the list, in the name of fuller discussion. Peter says: Again, thank you, David and bless your heart. Really. But don't hold your breath. I've been waiting to hear from the Mayor myself, regarding whether he opposes or supports the 35 W Access Project. (A local journalist, responding to this inquiry off list last Friday, told me R.T.'s in favor of the project, but I think we'd be better served hearing it straight from the mayor.) I've also asked Mayor Rybak why he publicly defended Council Member Barrett Lane, a white male, when he was being attacked by the Minneapolis Police Federation, but remained silent when the same organization demanded the resignation of Council Member Natalie Johnson Lee, a woman of color. If City Hall should give you the silent treatment David, please realize that a lot of members on this list feel your pain.Peter Schmitz CARAG TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Oh yeah, CEPD continued ...and what about that MCDA appointment?
Mr. Sheehy is an attorney as well, lest we forget. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Oh yeah, CEPD continued ...and what about that MCDA appointment? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:02:04 EDT Hennepin County is planning a major reconstruction of Lake Street. Unfortunately, this project is heavily influenced by another road-building project, the controversial 35W Access Project. Both of these projects are linked in many ways. Both projects are managed by Smith Parker, a law firm with no urban design expertise but plenty of political connections. Excerpt from an article by Ken Avidor and Jeff Carlson I find the above info a start on why a Smith Parker attorney should not be a director of CEPD--of course I doubt the need for CEPD or two high paying positions. and regarding Doug Walter's post: Observation: Lately, Lee Sheehy has signed letters as Executive Director, Minneapolis Community Development Agency. Does anyone know when and how he became director of the MCDA? I would like to hear an answer to the above question as well. Margaret Hastings-Mpls-Kingfield _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] BOYCOTT MARKET BAR-B-QUE (The e-mail)
I agree w/Jon and find it hard to believe that Market BBQ hasn't served a myriad of people of color over the years. Sounds like this is an isolated incident, and suggesting people take their complaints to the courthouse instead of the manager is a bit much. If you don't like the service or food then do the simple thing - DON'T GO BACK Jill Harmon Cleveland TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] I've had ENOUGH elitist prattle too.....
I've personally found an inordinant amount of white men with forestry degrees in upper level city government; that, and tall, white guys with 'some' college. If you're a typist though, you'd damn well better have a degree and a detailed plan prepared as to how you'll be improving yourself and expanding your education, or you won't get that 2% merit raise. Pathetic. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] I've had ENOUGH elitist prattle too.....
In my experience there's an inordinant amount of white men with forestry degrees in upper level city government. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Benson: no conflict pushing for 2 a.m. bar time
The city's ethics officer says Benson is ok. What do you think? He should make the decision whether to vote on his own - it would be an admirable thing to do. I guess I assumed there are enough votes for it without his vote, but then I generally 'skim' the paper. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Personal Property Taxes
Any idea of the sales tax figures due the city related to nacho/ticket/beverage sales? Must be a bundle. Snacks are pretty pricey there, and the sales tax is 9.5%. Wouldn't the CITY get that? Say 30,000 people buying 15,000 nachos for $4.75 per...plus sales tax is aroud $78,000 per night/performance, not to mention drinks and beer. Wonder too if concerts could eventually go until 2 a.m. i.e. the proposed closing time. Just rambling... Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Cathy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Personal Property Taxes Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:17:50 -0500 I am afraid that Ms. Long is, at least, partially mistaken. Personal property taxes, as used in previous posts, refers to the property taxes that are paid by profit-making enterprises that are located in or on tax-exempt properties. These are properties that would primarily be owned by non-profit organizations and the government--at all levels. If we use the new park board headquarters as an example: If the MPB rented extra space to a profit making company, that company would have to pay personal property taxes. The for-profit company does not get the exempt status of the property owner. I would really like to know however, why this information is not available publicly as it is for are all other property taxes? Catherine Leighton Live in Longfellow/Work North East TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What Is Reasonable? High Marx/New Narcs
HA! I have another... 'Religion and intelligence are mutually exclusive...' Jill Harmon Cleveland _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Story on West Broadway Target from Insight News
So cut to the quicki - how much is it to buy the place? No mention of that. And how come the announcement of the new Orivlle building at the Capital isn't broken down into tax payer dollars paid? It's gotta be a million or more. Why is Minneapolis always held to such scrutiny?? Phooey. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Mark Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Minneapolis Issues Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Story on West Broadway Target from Insight News Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:07:17 -0500 Northside seeks silver lining in store closing by Lloyd Nicholas, Contributing Writer http://www.insightnews.com/articles.asp?mode=displayarticleID=672 Excerpts: But despite the allegations of poor management by Target and their eventual closing of their doors to buyers in the area, Sen. Higgins sees their withdrawal as a blessing in disguise to the community. Their (withdrawal) should be viewed as an opportunity and a lot of small business people in the area who are working out of their houses may be able to get their wares out in a public place and expand (as a result of ownership of the Broadway Avenue Target property) just like the enterprise - the Mercado, on Lake Street where people come together. [Rep. Neva] Walker, however, said the retailer¹s departure will cause extensive economic damage to the area and recovery will not be easy. She claimed that the vitality of established smaller scale businesses was bruised when Target established the Broadway store now the shopping facility is closing, she added, the area is even worse off than before their arrival. Mark Snyder Windom Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Surveillance cameras, statistics, and neighborhood jealousy
gemgram states that, unfortunately our culture has placed a very high value on theft, and in particular car theft. I think our society has placed a very high value on owning an automobile too. Why? Poor alternate transportation options, sprawl, unavailability of a decent wage job in your neighborhood, economic status, convenience, and the freedom to move about the city, region, state, country, and because they've worked and earned enough to get one and pay for insurance and obey the law. While I admire those with alternative transport methods on their agenda, I don't believe the bike/bus/pool or rail argument will ever stop particular sects of society from owning and desiring an automobile, no matter where they live, and no matter how wrong it is to drive around a gas-guzzling, air polluting, earth destroying automobile. I see people driving vehicles in this city that cost more than my home did. And even though it makes my stomach turn, they bought it and they deserve to have it remain in tact while parked on their own property. And I can personally attest that it's a tremendous pain in the hind-end when your car is stolen/vandalized or burglarized, or even bashed in and set on fire by an insanely celebratory college student. While I certainly don't equate auto theft with any crime that brutalizes a human being (and cats and dogs for that matter), I can't imagine the number of rapes and murders comes close to outnumbering nuisance crimes such as property and auto theft/vandalization. Having a video camera in order to protect your property, or in this case the city's i.e. its citizens, can't be THAT bad if it helps identify someone doing something wrong, can it? It's all got to do with a city or neighborhood's livability. Is it strictly income that allows my friends in Edina and on parts of the southside to be able to STILL leave the back door open, or their garage or car unlocked? If not, what is it? Race? A better lawnmower? Political leanings? Anyone? Jill Harmon CLeveland _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Closing Businesses
If the city invested in projects that were required to produce a positive cash flow, they wouldn't do many projects; especially those of the housing variety. The city tends to do projects the public sector either can't or won't do on their own. Any why, with the tremendous subsidy and political support given to the downtown Target can't Target Corp THEMSELVES float some dough to the Broadway one to keep it afloat? Kowalski has repeatedly stated that their northside store is barely breaking even but they stay 'for the good of the people' and 'tough it out'. They're making money, trust me. Target's not a struggling corporation, but that particular store is. If the downtown Target isn't raking it in, then it will be the city's loss too. But to offer another business that wants the Target property that I believe has been subsidized by the city once already ADDITIONAL subsidies to move into the same location without approaching or passively suggesting that Target HQ kick in something is, in my mind, throwing money in the wrong direction. As an aside, I admit I shop at the Robbinsdale Rainbow Foods now and again, as there still isn't a choice for economical groceries on the north end of town. I heard the Rainbow Foods in both Brooklyn Park AND Brooklyn Center are to close soon too. Maybe they should be approached for either the Target site or Penn/Lowry. The one northeast is long gone and the one in Robbinsdale isn't much of an option these days. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Jim Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jim Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Closing Businesses Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:26:49 -0500 I know there is a strong emotional component in the reaction to the closing of the northside Target. Target is a powerful Minnesota symbol. Having a Target is like belonging. Losing a Target looks like rejection. But the fact is that these stores have to make money. The corporation DONATES money to local communities, but that comes out of the money it MAKES. Now the best-case-scenario might be locating the Cub in that property. A dedicated Minneapolis booster will hope that is what happens, but who knows? Cub and Super Value are a couple more huge icons of our region. Lots of northside people treat downtown as their second neighborhood. Given the involvement of us taxpayers in the downtown Target, I hope at least some of the abandoned customers will go down there and make THAT store a better site for the company. What this all represents is a good argument for fighting the concentration of poverty in one area. If it is dispersed, it would have less of an effect on the neighborhood businesses. It is a fact that the poorer people are, the harder it is for them to travel to shop. Not impossible, mind you. I've done lots of shopping by busing. People take the bus to Rosedale from northside, so its done. It isn't the favorite way, but the bus will take you from that area to both Brookdale and Rosedale. So, the argument here is more about symbolism than practicality. In fact, I would recommend the boosters of the area to look at the overall commercial health of the area, and stop focusing on a particular store. Minnehaha Mall has been kind of a worry in Longfellow, but it is still alive and kicking, even though the overall quality of the leasing businesses isn't quit what it used to be (used to have Minnesota Fabrics, Dairy Queen, Super Value, Great Clips, and Twin City Federal. Now we have Petters, The Alternative School Federation, and another liquidator store). I think it would be really good to develop some sort of index that measured the overall health of a neighborhood. Business departures vs. openings. Number of condemned houses. Crime statistics. It could all be lumped into something like the index of leading indicators to show the OVERALL health of the neighborhood, and that could be used to offset something showy like a big store closing. Heck even attendance at community group meetings could be part of it. Because more people coming out shows something about commitment to a neighborhood. Public Projects: I think maybe there should be a circuit-breaker on public projects that says something like an increase of 50 percent above the approved budget requires reconsideration of the whole idea. I can see it is awfully tempting to lowball a public project to get SOME money spent on it so that now they can argue if we cancel, that money is wasted. Well, there is some level of money we can AFFORD to waste rather than trudge mindlessly forward with a project that is not worth its final price. Also, maybe there should be a MONETARY penalty for lowballing. In the adjudication process, the entity that is being fined gets to show how it wasn't ITS fault. On the other hand, this mitigation stuff should be priced into the project. You know it will be there. It is pure folly to add it on afterwards. Jim Mork Cooper Neighborhood
[Mpls] Merger process can take awhile
I recently was informed that the City of Minneapolis currently has 80-something active union locals among its employees. The merger between MCDA and Planning et al has been a long time coming - going on nearly two years - and it's a more cumbersome process than I think even our esteemed leaders expected. Currently, the legislation that will dissolve the MCDA and create the new Community Planning Development division/CPED got pulled from the legislative floor and sent to the tax committee. That could tie it up until we all reach retirment. Despite claiming that labor will be involved in the potential merger discussions, I find it hard to believe that the County/City merger could be any less cumbersome and involved as the merger would involve even more union representation at the County level. Jill Harmon, VP AFSCME 3419 Cleveland _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Cub Foods in North Mpls./Should be on West Bro!!
I believe the Cleveland Neighborhood Association meets on Tuesdays and there's one coming up to chaw this very issue - I'll do some digging to find out when and get backtaya. Far as the quality of life, it'd be a grand improvement - here's tons of foot traffic at either site. Traffic would certainly increase, but if designed well, the intersection's effects on the neighborhood could be minimized. Hint: don't hire the guys who did the lot at the HUB) I curse them everytime I tell myself I'm never going back... If anything the store might slow down drivers who sort of scream down Lowry Ave. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Cub Foods in North Mpls./Should be on West Bro!! Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:44:11 EST In a message dated 4/3/03 9:44:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard that Cub is looking at two sites in North Minneapolis: Lowry/Emerson and Penn/Lowry. Anyone know anything about this rumor? Have there been any community meetings about it? and does the addition of a Cub Foods improve the quality of life to a neighborhood? or just traffic? Keith says; The most likely reason Cub will never be on Lowry is physical. They require something like three acres to site the business. It just ain't available there. Cub, of course does not belong on Lowry, anyway. The County is seeking to make Lowry Ave. more of a Parkway, in the near future. Future plans include concentrating retail at specific nodes. Retail nodes shall be Lyndale, Emerson, and Penn; and these to be neighborhood friendly C-1 uses, ideally. The rest of the Avenue shall be residential; both current low density, and higher density. West Broadway is the appropriate place for the needed, new, Northside Cub. West Broadway is the unique, main, commercial corridor of the Northwest quadrant of our City. Commercial uses are appropriate on most all of this corridor. It is the Avenue with the Most Potential for serving the bulk grocery needs of Northside families. Providing convenience and saving families money is why West Broadway exists. It is failing at this function now, and will be robbed of potential to serve this function in the future. Unfortunately, the City Planning Dept. is creating a Zoning plan that reduces the potential for unique, and larger, retail uses on this; our unique arterial/commercial corridor. West Broadway has far too few C-2 classified parcels to serve our Northside. It needs more C-2 Zoning. It is the most convenient, and only appropriate, place for certain vitally needed business activities. It is a 'destination' Avenue. Smart urban growth design demands: Big Avenue/Big Zoning---little avenue/littlezoning. All Northside avenues are not created equal. West Broadway IS our Big Avenue. The other avenues are not big. All are vital; and must be zoned, and used, correctly. The Northside will be denied potential for vitality in direct proportion to West Broadway being denied potential for growth, and use. Keith Reitman NearNorth TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Cub at 46th
Underground parking at a grocery store? You've got to be kidding. The cost is astronomical and can you imagine the fender benders? I run into the worst drivers ever in parking lots at grocery stores; put it underground and it's a demolition derby. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Bruce Gaarder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Cub at 46th Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:47:54 -0600 (CST) Matt Mason would like Cub to have underground parking or parking behind the store or apartments overhead. I can just imagine how much fun it would be to live above a Cub store - open 24 hours every day, trucks making early/late deliveries, cars pulling in and out of the lot, garbage compressors running. I expect that they already have the back of the store tied up with bays for trucks, garbage compressors, utilities, etc. The amount of parking a Cub needs to survive wouldn't fit in the back, most likely, unless the land was very wide. Where else, outside of downtown, are businesses being required to put parking underground? He also wonders where the new residents are to ride the train. The claim is that existing residents are supposed to switch over from their cars. Future growth, if any, in ridership may come from new residents. The forecast growth of 2,500 round trips a day over 20 years is hardly a business-busting annual rate of increase (1.1%). Visit www.effectivetransit.org The Independent, Unsubsidized, Voice of Citizens for Effective Transit in the Twin Cities * lrt isn't a potato chip, you can stop at just one * Bruce Gaarder Highland Park Saint Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Hot Flashes - and COLD HEARTS OF PRIORITIES
Apparently all of Minneapolis' poor, undernourised kids will somehow become literate, cultured and employable should they be fortunate enough to afford to purchase a ticket to one of these 'public' facilities. Who needs stuff like libraries and wading pools anyway; sounds like they're just more holes to throw money into... Yours in thick, sticky sarcasm, Jill Harmon Cleveland _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] No more crime?
I live on the northside where crime (and blatant littering) run rampant. About two weeks ago Saturday I went out to run some errands. I noticed my front license plate was barely hanging on, but figured I had a rear one on and tossed it in the backseat. I came home about 1-ish and didn't notice until I looked out later that one of our persons in blue had issued me a $75 ticket for failure to display a front plate! Musta been a slow crime day... Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Dennis Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] No more crime? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:21:17 -0600 _ ---BeginMessage--- Pretty Clear-cut revenue producer running a ramp-light. It's much more costly to apprehend drug dealers on the street corner. Our judicial system doesn't impose a very stiff penalty on them. Apparently, you're more of a "threat" running a red light than you are dealing drugs and toting a gun :) Dennis Plante Jordan From: "Leurquin, Ronald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Mpls] No more crime? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:40:53 -0500 I need to vent a bit. Forgive me. As our fine city debates cutting police, fire, etc. This very morning the worst crimes in Northeast Mpls were people running the ramp meters. How wonderful that I live in such a Utopia. If that's all the force could find for that man to do why don't they put him on another shift where he is needed more. Is it impossible to put these officers to work on worse crimes than running ramp meters? Maybe running red lights, even? Ronald Leurquin Waite Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ---End Message---
Re: [Mpls] Some possible explanations
potential additions to the list of wasteful government spending: -bailing out a mediocre airline (run by greedy executives who if graded on the actual performance of the company couldn't likely land a job at Burger King) -moving a theater 4 (million dollar) blocks -the potential $15 million or so that will eventually be provided to rehab the theater that was moved 4 blocks -purchasing a bulletin board for $249 from a vendor when they're available for about $4.99 at Michael's Crafts I'm sure I left something out... Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Some possible explanations Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:28:58 -0600 Doug Grow's column in the Star Tribune today (Thursday, March 27 -- http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/3784575.html) provides the answers to two questions that may have been floating around in the minds of people on this list and elsewhere: 1. Why do so many people think the government is grossly wasteful of tax dollars and, therefore, we need to have a no new taxes governor in place? 2. Will Hennepin County Commissioner Peter McLaughlin run for Minneapolis mayor, and do we even want him as mayor? From my point of view, the answers are as below, but I encourage you to read the column yourself and make your own conclusions. 1. Why? Because the government IS grossly wasteful of tax dollars -- but not on social programs, per se, or on police departments, or libraries -- but most often on edifices and perks for the top officials and self-important bureaucrats. Why do I say that? In 1974, Hennepin county spent half a million on Swiss imported tiles for the plaza at the government center. Hello? What's wrong with Minnesota manufactured pavers? But wait, there's more! In 1990, they spent another $1.6 million to replace them with pavers from Ohio. But that wasn't good enough either. They're now poised to spend a major portion of a $6 million project to replace them once again. The court room that Kirby Puckett's trial will take place is wood-paneled and granite-trimmed. Have you paneled your living room in real wood paneling and trimmed it granite recently? Cheaper than the alternatives, wasn't it? More than 23 years ago, as a young, apolitical 20-something I spent a number of hours in the offices of some bureaucrat on the upper floors of the Hennepin County Government Center. I say apolitical, because my interest, awareness and knowledge of government and political goings-on at the time was pretty close to zero. I was more interested in my job, my friends, the next beer party, whatever. Despite that lack of wisdom and interest, I was still flabbergasted beyond all belief at the luxuriousness and opulence of those offices. Compared to private industry, even top executive offices, they were far nicer. The secretary had a nicer office than the director of the entire division of hundreds of professionals at my employer. Even at that point in my life, I was disgusted with the thought that it was my tax dollars that paid for those offices. Apparently, things have not changed at Hennepin County. Which brings us to question #2. 2. Will Hennepin County Commissioner Peter McLaughlin run for mayor, and can he be elected? Beats me if he WILL run, but I am adamantly opposed to him being mayor. For that matter, every commissioner who voted for these 2 repaving the plaza fiascos, including McLaughlin, should be voted out of office at the first opportunity. This kind of waste is precisely why taxpayers are so outraged that they have voted into office people who will slash urban budgets to pieces, doing great harm. Chris Johnson Fulton TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Some possible explanations. 'LITE' is just less filling!
Where did they get the idea that there is an OVER-abundance of multi-family affordable housing?? I've repeatedly been told that 20,000 additional units will be needed by 2010 to fill the potential need, and that affordable rental housing is one of 'the' priorities among council members with regard to housing production in the city. I imagine NRP is just responding to the fact that MCDA will no longer be providing mortgage/first time buyer or home improvement funding any longer. Currently calls to MCDA regarding mortgages and rehab loans are being routed to the MHFA. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: gemgram [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Susan Maricle [EMAIL PROTECTED],Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Some possible explanations. 'LITE' is just less filling! Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:32:15 -0600 Since we are talking boondoggle, lets look at a possible City one. The NRP Policy Board, realizing that there is an over abundance of Multi-family affordable housing units, votes to hold aside 2 million out of 14 million earmarked for affordable housing. They planned to use it to increase affordable homeownership as a complimentary housing solution. What happened? The Mayor and the City Council outraged because this may take funding from political cronies, veto it before the plan is even brought to them. Since they did not have a proposal before them exactly what did they veto? Like the tile, exactly who is being paid off? I am not saying that someone necessarily took a bribe, (a Minneapolis Council Member wouldn't take bribes would they?). I am saying that somebody is being greased by something, or would the politicians prefer that we think they are just stupid? The overabundance of such housing is now considered to be Un-Healthy. When vacancy rates are between 3 and 7% it is considered healthy. The vacancy rate has now topped 7% with a couple of thousand more units of such housing presently under construction. It took years to get the politicians attention when there was a shortage, and now after they have made their Deals it doesn't seem they care to stop. It shows the Mayor and Council may not be as interested in addressing housing needs for poor people as they are in giving huge amounts of money to their buddies. The Mayor and Council would rather subsidize $60, 000.00 to $90,000.00 per rental unit, (that there is an overabundance of), than to assist or allow a poor person to buy a home. Something smells here and BOONDOGGLE is written all over it. Before spending more tax payer dollars I think the Powers need to prove the shortage and need. It is a matter of trust. I for one do not trust them, so they got to show us. In poker it is said to be Calling. Well they have been called, lets see if they are holding or just four-flushing! We need to look at a lot of politicians in a very hard way at this time. We need a little more walk and a little less talk. We need a little more substance and a lot less fluff. 'Lite' politics are indeed less filling Jim Graham, Ventura Village Old Thomas, the father of the Democratic Party, said it correctly over two hundred years ago: The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. - Thomas Jefferson TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Property Taxes for a Mpls Home
There's a large difference between what Hennepin County claims my house is valued at for tax purposes and what Minneapolis determined. Is that normal or am I showing my homeownership naivete? Can I choose to pay the lesser?!?! Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Beth Popalisky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Property Taxes for a Mpls Home Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:29:54 -0600 I just happened to see a house in Fridley advertised through my union newsletter. Value? $319,000 Taxes? roughly $1900. What would be the property taxes of a house with that value in Minneapolis? It is very frustrating to see the differences in tax rates from the city to the suburbs and then to realize that city dwellers are getting hit so hard by the governor's budget. I encourage all of us to write the governor, call, email, make contact somehow and express our opinions about the impact his budget proposal will have on city dwellers and city services. Beth Popalisky East-Harriet Farmstead Hennepin County sent us a property tax statement today. The figure seems steep at first. But the have a line for what state aids do to it, and those aids are about 1.5 times larger than the actual bill. So, I guess I can see what is going to happen if Pawlenty has his way. Basically, city residents are going to see themselves socked pretty hard on their property. Worst part is, of course, that the state tax bill won't go DOWN. I know. Let's hear Pawlenty offer to cut his pay 20 percent. After all, if we city taxpayers can take a huge nick, Pawlenty ought to be in a much better position than we are to take it. (Dream on, I can hear them saying). Jim Mork Cooper What 9/11 has done is to pull together the diverse and sometimes contradictory military and economic strands of this 'no rivals' policy into one seamless approach. This war on terrorism looks more like a war for the preservation of US imperial power. That is why countries like France, Germany, Russia and China - which have a stake in the dilution of US power globally - are at the forefront of international opposition to the impending invasion of Iraq. --Times of India We hold these truths to be self-evidentthat governments are formed, deriving their just powers by the consent of the governedDeclaration of Independence _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Protesters ditching work and school
I hope everyone patting themselves on the back for their work school- optional humanitarian efforts will save a little back-patting for our returning troops. Thankfully, their lives are on the line so you can grab an overpriced latte', ditch work and school, and head on down to the courthouse to protest openly about military personnel doing THEIR jobs. I also wonder if any of the well-meaning teachers and parents involved are adequately prepared to explain to children, likely far too young to fully comprehend it, why they're not to blame even though their parent(s) or sibling(s) or aunt(s) or uncle(s) fought for their ability to protest, and died as a result. I can only imagine the potential guilt and trust issues a kid like that may end up with down the road. AND I have little or no sympathy for students at the U who constantly gripe about their exorbinant tuition, yet everytime someone in this town squashes an insect, they leave class and go marching... Jill Harmon, daughter and wife of VFWs Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Democracy in Minneapolis: Illusion v. Reality
Whoa Nellie!! The NRP is paid for by everyone's taxes, not just yours or Cooper neighborhood's, so NRP salaries and expenditures are included at everyone's expense - even city employees. Not all city employees are civil servants or members of AFSCME and we're not protected from the current financial realities as you've assumed. Many of us have already or soon will be losing our jobs just like everybody else. I disagree that just because a person lives in the city, it makes them a more productive, valuable or knowledgeable employee, and that if they live in the suburbs, they're a lazy slacker...but the issue could be taken further: what about state employees? Where in the state should they be required to live in order to perform their jobs to the best of their ability? And should farmer/senators from rural Minnesota w/manure on their boots be able to voice an opinion on issues that even remotely pertain to Minneapolis? Maybe NRP policy board members should be required to live in each and every neighborhood that gets a dime of NRP money - although then they'd be transient and that last I checked is illegal. And speaking of legality, this is pretty much what the Hollman lawsuit was about - rather forcefully suggesting where people of a certain ilk, color, or financial situation should live according to some visionary milktoast's idea of what's right(wing). Due to the limited availability of affordable housing and housing options at the time (it escapes me as to exactly when) the City's residency requirement was repealed. Add to that police officers not necessarily wanting to have to go home to a neighborhood where they may have arrested (or urinated) on a neighbor. A valid concern in my opinion, as one could only imagine the retaliation in Jordan last summer should a decent, hard-working police officer have parked his squad in front of his own darn house after a hard day at work. And just imagine if that particular officer had been (gulp) white... Add to that the recent surprise to the council that the the city doesn't pay some of its own employees a living wage (its the thought that counts) and it makes even more sense to allow them freedom of residential choice - something that city employees have been working at providing for EVERYONE in this city for years now. Forcing someone to live in a community not of their choosing or liking isn't going to make them perform their job better in neither the public or the private sector. Respectfully, Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Lindner thread
I agree. Jesse Helms and Strom who's old? Thurmond were in the senate and house for umteen years, supposedly representing this country and it's umteen billion confederate-flag wielding rednecks. So a big fat pinko-pansy, commi-bedwetter legislator speaks candidly about his beliefs and everyone's undies get in a bundle? Big deal! Our (freedom-preaching) government thinks freedom of speech is ok in the overwhelmingly boring house and senate discussions, but doesn't believe it's ok for neighbors to tell other neighbors what's wrong with themPlease let's move on to a subject we can possibly affect, and wish everyone mentioned by name a peaceful death. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Lindner thread Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:28:19 -0600 As some posters have mentioned, this thread was borderline Minneapolis-specific at the outset, but it isn't now. Let's move on. Thanks. David Brauer List manager TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Proposed Budget Cuts at the City other than Police and Fire
I can confirm that four directors at the Minneapolis Community Development Agency have been dismissed effective 3/7/03: Jerrold Boardman, Housing Division Director Terrell Towers, Economic Development Division Director Keith Ford, Deputy Director, Strategic Financial Planning/Parnterships Paul Fuchs, Deputy Director, Administrative Services Regretfully and with great respect, Jill Harmon MCDA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Proposed Budget Cuts at the City other than Police and Fire Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:26:41 EST Does anyone know what level of cuts are being proposed for City departments other than Police and Fire (which have been pretty detailed in the news media); e.g., the City Council, City Attorney, etc? It might be interesting to see how some of the departments Lisa McDonald mentioned in her post that should be considered for elimination or consolidation will be faring. Is there somewhere to find out these numbers? Thanks for any input. Jan Del Calzo Lynnhurst _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] my first swingin' bachelorette pad
My first apartment was a 1 bedroom, 1 bath efficiency in an octoplex in Camden for $320/month in 1988. I was working full time making $5.50/hour ($10,560 gross per year) at the time, and I took the bus to work and back - never considered a car the, worked downtown and likely couldn't have afforded one anyway what with repairs and maintenance. My rent credit that came in August was usually about $500, and I was single at the time. There were times it was tough - I remember paying my bills the day before getting paid and by the time I deposited my bi-weekly check I had $7 liquid to my name. I honestly don't know how I did it. Shopped at thrift stores for clothes for work mainly, and ate alot of maccheese and ramen noodles I guess. By the time I moved about three years later, I was making about $7.25/hour and the rent hadn't increased in that time. It was a clean, comfortable little basement apartment, sans the incoming roach swarm, and all the other renters were female seniors at the time. They told me I was a 'test case' because I was only 22 at the time, and they didn't want some rowdy, party-girl causing trouble or 'humbuggin' (a direct quote from the landlord.) I didn't...much. Upon purchasing my first home, I was making about 28K/year. I had $9000 from a divorce settlement to put down, and bought at 5.99% fixed in 2000. My house payments were about $530/month then and I got a lot of a fixer-upper house for the money - almost 3 bedrooms, 2-story, but built in '21 though so very few closets. Double garage, creepy basement to store stuff in. It was recently appraised for $113 but I'm sure if we sold we'd likely be able to get more for it - (God willing and the creek don't rise.) As an aside, a house in my current neighborhood that looks as if three different additions were added over time, using three different materials was recently listed at $113K. It looks kinda rickety. There's a wire and wood fence similar to something you might see on an emu or llama farm and it's set way back on a corner lot. I thought the price was way too high due to the condition of the property, but in a couple weeks someone overbid and it sold for $140,000! Amazingly affordable are two condo units (they may have already sold) at the old Bremer school building on Lowry Emerson. They listed a one bedroom 1 bath for $59K and a two bedroom for $79K. It's a secure building and is likely the lowest priced ownership housing I've seen recently. Surprisingly, two similar units at the Bremer were for sale when I was looking for about the same price. I often wish I would have opted for a condo. No mowing, shoveling, schlepping. I've always loved that building but have never been inside to see the actual units... Jill Harmon Cleveland List members, what are your recollections of your first apt, house, and how much of your pay it consumed? Craig Miller Former Affordable Housing Provider Living in Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] NRP and city affordable housing fund/Pop-Fly
And people say the MCDA is rogue. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] NRP and city affordable housing fund/Pop-Fly Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:34:12 EST In a message dated 2/27/03 2:17:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Re:Sole vote against funding 'pop-up' proposal) I did so not so much on the merits of the program but on principle and because I did not think an appropriate process was followed. Let me explain. Keith says; I agree with your principles, on process, in this matter. It does seem, though, that your post IS ...much on the merits, The arguments made by Jim G. and others garner my support on the merit. I went to The List Archive, to remind concerned individuals of another NRP gathering that through a bunch of money into a sack. And without a lot of 'due diligence' Keith Reitman NearNorth From The Archive 3/03: A few years ago, I attended an NRP gathering to vote on funding some proposals. I felt that packing of the voting audience enabled the funding of a project to build a new Kitchen/training facility at our local Mosque. Was this people of like mind doing there civic duty and showing up at a neighborhood meeting; or getting all the people of a church to show up one evening and bring home the municipal bacon? By the way there was no handout available with drawings, projected costs, cooking skills class offerings, or who would qualify for access, nor anything else that I could examine. Simply...give us 1 or 2 hundred thousand...we do good stuff...motion carried...meeting adjourned. There were two or three other 'projects' that got cash, too. Keith Reitman NearNorth TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Mpls. LGA cuts in Pi Press
I recently heard that Minneapolis is one of the only cities that doesn't have a volunteer fire department. Is this true? Anyone know why? Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Borger, Judith Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mpls Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Mpls. LGA cuts in Pi Press Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:11:26 -0600 http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/5254772.htm MINNEAPOLIS: Rybak outlines budget cutbacks 5254772.htm Minneapolis firefighters might soon be painting fire hydrants when they aren't fighting fires, under a money-saving plan suggested by Mayor R.T. Rybak on Monday. ( BY JUDITH YATES BORGER, Pioneer Press, 02/25/2003 03:01 AM CST) _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Student Project-hoax?
Yikes. I had no idea it was a hoax. Sorry to trouble everyone. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Budget seminar
Michael cited the fact that 'many people have lost their jobs, lost their health care benefits, or are experiencing dramatically reduced earnings; all while their local taxes, especially in Mpls., continue to increase dramatically.' Ironic that politicians who apparently have no financial woes personally, would cite 'quality of life' as yet another reason to raise taxes. Who's life? And can somebody QUANTIFY quality? Seems another case of I know what's good for you government. I guess if you're poor you learn not to expect anything, so you won't be disapointed. Wouldn't continuing to raise taxes, property or otherwise, potentially drive folks who are barely hanging on into further financial despair? Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Syl Jones on 2-21
Good questions. I wonder how many arrests are made in Minneapolis per day, and how many go off without a hitch as compared to the ones where cops have been accused or were guilty of/misconduct? Granted one bad apple can spoil the bunch, but we only hear about the bad stories - no mention of the officers who are out there every day simply keeping the peace. I imagine there's an incredible burn-out factor. 70% of domestic abuse cases alone involve alcohol. People get violent, vulgar, loud, obnoxious, insane. Because the disease's symptoms are behavioral, it's the only disease people get mad at a person for having. And it's real likely officers arrest repeat offenders over and over again, day in and day out. It would wear on a person, seeing people digging themselves further and further into the 'system'. I'm sure they get burned out, just like the rest of us. I'm glad they're getting a raise - the good ones anyway. The bad-to-the-core ones need to be dismissed or counseled or sent fishing for 6 months - whatever it takes. The reality is that the city would be in far worse shape without them. Jill Harmon Cleveland Are they hiring the wrong people, or retaining people who are burned out, or teaching good people to turn bad? What is creating this atmosphere? Are they still rotating police personnel from precinct to precinct on a regular basis? Emilie Quast SE Como _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Syl Jones on 2-21
If the reports are accurate and neither of the persons involved were sober enough to remember what the weak-bladdered officer looked like, whether they were male or female or where they themselves lived - I wouldn't be surprised if it was his OWN urine. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Good Restaurants: Two Oversights
What about Tootie's on Lowry N? Excellent burgers... I remember Diavolo's Pizza at Penn Lowry too. Good pizza and they'd even deliver a single order of spaghetti w/garlic bread for about $4.00. The Starlite Club next door was dusty and musty; but the burger baskets were $1.25 (circa 1990) Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Jim Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Good Restaurants: Two Oversights Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:11:33 -0600 Had to consult my own online restaurant guide to realize I had two glaring omissions: 1. Caspian Bistro, the ONLY Iranian restaurant in good old Mpls. Where Washington Ave and University Ave converge in SE Mpls. All sorts of barbecued meat with basmati rice. Amazing how Prospect Park claims TWO of the best providers of S Asian regional food. 2. Gardens of Salonica, the BEST Greek restaurant in Mpls, located in, where else, NE. -- Jim Mork--Cooper Save yourself from this corrupt generationAll who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. Acts 2:4-45 The disciples determined that according to their ability, each would send relief to the believers. Acts 11:29 From each according to his ability...to each according to his need. Karl Marx Get your free Web-based E-mail at http://www.startribune.com/stribmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] d-e-f-a-u-l-t
As I was aggressively schlepping some long-ripening garbage out to my curb this evening (only missed the garbage crew by a day) I reflected on the fact that, regardless of the benefits offered, I'd rather be someplace south tonight, should I someday be homeless...I'd sure as heck choose someplace further south than Minneapolis. It's colder and windier out than it's been in years and I often cringe when I see our Somalian and Ethiopian neighbors walking (as quite a number of them lack motorized transport other than the bus) and can see by the look on their faces that they're out of their proverbial element. Strong people, I'll give them that - to move half-way around the globe the dress in layers and eat carbohydrates, in hopes of inducing winter slumber. I know they must feel the chill more than I - a carbo-overeatin', semi-Scandinavian, early-risin' Minnasoootan. Incidentally, on a more positive and entertaining note, there's a band from Africa I've recently discovered that's been around longer than I care to admit, called Orchestra Baobab. They hail originally from Senagaal, Africa. It's the best motown you've every heard with a more spicy, jumped-up rhythm than zydeco. Really fun when yer slippin' and slidin' on these icy roads... Jill Harmon Cleveland From: WizardMarks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James E. Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] d-e-f-a-u-l-t Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:37:51 -0600 James E. Jacobsen wrote: Then you got the social services mania, people coming here from all over the world because the hand outs are the best. WM: People come here from other parts of the world because they had a relative who came here first, maybe as a refugee, maybe as a student, or maybe because they had a job here. Then when things fall apart in their country of origin, they come to their relatives, running for their lives. The city is now forced to get into sensible perspectives in its budget. You can't blame the new Governor nor the nearly new Mayor, they are locked in by law to a balanced budget. WM: I certainly can and I do blame governors--and presidents--when budgets are cut because they want to give back the taxes which previously allowed them to balance the budget and meet the legitimate needs of the populace. BTW, it's still very much up in the air whether the mayor's budget cutting will serve the city well or ill. So far these measures have been passed or will be passed, but the cost of enacting them has not hit all the way around. WizardMarks, Central Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: Fwd: [Mpls] Unneeded Air Cargo means Noisy Night Flights
from c harmon, cleveland In the 18 years I've been a technician and engineer in the aircraft industry, the only quiet way to make money is with a repair station, that can employ up to twenty times more people than any cargo operation at ANY international airport. When an aircraft flies in, it's down for 3-6 months getting anywhere from a C-check to an aging-aircraft check. Therefore, no flight traffic and 1500 jobs including two shifts, three hangars and day-shift admin. Reference in point. MAE (Mobile Aerospace Engineering, Mobile AL) We took three old hangars and turned them into a modern aircraft repair station, owned currently by Singapore Aerospace. I have been in 14 countries in 10 years serving as a product support representative and contractor for all the major commercial and business jet manufacturers. I understand the concerns of residents of the city regarding jet noise levels, but a repair facility provides more jobs, less noise and the use of the existing unoccupied hangars (i.e. Sun Country) at the current airport. Something to consider... Chris Harmon Cleveland From: Dennis Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: [Mpls] Unneeded Air Cargo means Noisy Night Flights Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:49:05 -0600 _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Most commercial jets are designed so that they are easily configured for either passengers or cargo. A good case in point - many of the NW Airlines jets you've all flown on probably at one point had the seats stripped out of them and were used to transport seafood from Alaska to destinations in the south. It might be more prudent to look at the pros and cons of this issue in light of whether or not additional business can be generated for the area than whether or not the area "needs" another international air carrier. It might be wise to check the range capabilities of modernjet aircraft, and international air-cargo traffic terminus patternsbefore determining whether a venture of this type is viable. BTW-most non-retail air cargo does not require night flights as it is not sensitive to consumer requirements. Dennis Plante former CPM and logistics director from Alaska currently living in - JordanSTOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ---End Message---
RE: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
Flakes sighted at 8:47a.m. at the Crown Roller Mill. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Council Member Lisa Goodman resigns from key positions
ALL the council members are to share responsibilities with relation to serving on committees, boards, and the like; it's part of the job. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Council Member Lisa Goodman resigns from key positions Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:36:02 -0400 In the real world, That would be assuming that Ms. Goodman received a pay increase when she assumed responsibility of that magnitude. wade russell longfellow ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] New Central Library Design
With the recent concerns related to heightened security I certainly hope it's bullet-proof. And with Randy Moss careening around downtown, automobile-proof as well. Jill Harmon Cleveland From: Hamilton, Colin J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] New Central Library Design Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:18:11 -0500 In reply to a question raised by another list member: All of the glass planned for the new Central Library will be UV protected in a manner that ensures there will be no light damage to books or other pieces of the library collection. This was a problem in the old library that will be corrected in the new library. Colin Hamilton Executive Director Friends of the Minneapolis Public Library 612/630-6172 612/630-6180 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Council Member Lisa Goodman resigns from key positions
In the real world decreased responsibility of this magnitude would constitute a cut in pay. No one's mentioned that as of yet. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] issues gathering
Is the gathering at 6pm tomorrow? How would a person know where the issues folks will be? Indoors or out? Huutsfutsen! Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Where to take kids in Minneapolis
The Minneapolis Park Rec Board's most recent publication has Tot Time or storybook time or crafts and other activities for kids listed at most of the local libraries/community centers, although it's usually designated for ages 3 and up, and you may have to pre-register. And this may sound creepy, but the Salvation Army Thrift Stores have bins and shelves full of oodles of gently used toys, books, dollies...I've witnessed more than one toddler having a whirl of a good time digging through the stuff, and you don't have to worry about the breakage factor. Plus, you can kill two birds with one stone and drop off a bag of used goods to donate, if you're in the 'gotta clean out the basement' mode- All donations are tax deductible of course and they go toward a good cause. I'm actually considering donating my car. Can't sell it, too many dents. Anyone interested in a mangled Subaru? I broke-down and bought a gall-dern American car this time - gently used but new to me. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] talking trash
I recall a semi-controversy a couple years back when former CM Cherryhomes was seeking some funds to help to clean-up West Broadway. Naysayers from the cleaner, gentler wards were miffed. The argument being that people in their wards don't throw garbage all over, and why should another ward get money to fix what is essentially a behavioral problem... It's hard to convince people who don't litter to part with tax dollars to pay the slobs that do. Besides, there are already tax dollars at work paying Sentenced-to-Serve crews to do that for them. I don't understand it. In MY day (and it wasn't yesterday) my mother would have slapped me into next week if I tossed a piece of gum out the car window. Yet nearly every morning I have to pick up beer bottles, superamerica bags, candy wrappers, chip bags from the boulevard and my front yard. I'm up until 10 p.m. and it's not there then. It shows up overnight like some bad mushrooms. Doesn't anyone on the north side sleep anymore? Know how to cook? Eat a green vegetable? It's one greasy, take-out, styrofoam container after another. No wonder the young people in this country are cursed with obesity. I'm all for encouraging kids to pick up the trash -if not simply for the exercise, but paying them to do it is another story. Someone ought to hit-up Subway for $25,000 worth of lo-cal sandwiches instead; sans wrappers of course. JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Yes, we are living in the same City. Just each looking at it thruthe colored and distorted glasses of RACE
Well for cryin out loud. The exchanges between the two appeared to me as personal attacks back and forth - a sort of chicken/egg argument that can never be 'won' really. I don't discount the discussion - just the contemplation of the roots of racism part, as if there was a point in time when it started and by whom. I wholeheartedly agree that it does need to be talked about - openly and loudly, if necessary. I find it ironic that it's acceptable and perfectly appropriate dinner conversation to let even a mild acquaintence know your sexual preferences these days, yet racism remains in the closet as a sort of Shhh subject for most people, especially Minnesotans er, Minneapolitans of a pinkish-hue. JHarmon Cleveland From: paul weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Yes, we are living in the same City. Just each looking at it thru the colored and distorted glasses of RACE Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 09:11:15 -0500 I think the exchanges between J. Palmer and J. Graham on the subject of race are very valuable. Not elegantly written, to be sure, but indisputably serious, deeply felt, intelligent, and for the most part, civil. In other words, a far cry from the bigoted polemics that J.C. Harmon seems to think they are. Paul Weir Phillips ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Bikes, busses, and walkers unite!
Someone sent me an FAO Schwartz catalog, as I recently had a brand new baby boy. There's a hovercraft in there for ages 14 and up for a mere $15,000. It hovers (on a mixture of gas and oil) above pavement and lawn, and motors up to a speed of 15 mph. Sounds like a hoot to me. Certainly a more fun, alternate form of transport. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Yes, we are living in the same City. Just each looking at it thruthe colored and distorted glasses of RACE
This whole thread of who's the biggest bigot is a real drag. Speaking of drags, they water patrol pulled a relatively young man from what I could see from the Mississippi this afternoon, right near the locks, North of the Stone Arch. He was alive but I know little else. Anyone else know more? JHarmon Cleveland PS The winner of my prior post regarding MAD DADS t-shirts was Robert Bob Cooper of the not so infamous MCDA. May he wear them well... From: JIM GRAHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Yes, we are living in the same City. Just each looking at it thru the colored and distorted glasses of RACE Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:55:53 -0500 Jonathan seems to take some liberalities with what I actually wrote. His opinion of what I meant, and his assumptions about the real meaning of what I said may be at odds with what I wrote and what I actually meant. I said the small minority of people of color was not enough to elect a person of color until recently. I think this is true. When I asking the question of Brandon, I was asking if Brandon actually thought a person should be elected only on the basis of color just so we would be viewed as liberal. The percentage of the population has changed so that there is more power in the communities of color if they unite, and this has been lately apparent. Of course this is about as likely as it was for Swedes and Irish to unite behind a recent immigrant candidate in the 1890's. Jonathan should also think about another issue, I have never heard anyone at a political convention say that someone should be voted for because they were white. I have heard the statement for a reason to vote for a Black candidate on many such occasions. Any Democrat that says he or she has not heard such is deaf or not being truthful. So Jonathan, have you ever said that one of your qualifications was because you were a Black Candidate? Or identified yourself as a Black candidate? Another question Jonathan, have you ever heard a white candidate at a convention or debate identify himself or herself as a white candidate or imply that they had a better understanding of issues because of being white? In the south I have heard such, but not in Minnesota. I could be wrong but I believe I may have heard some such a statement from Jonathan. Jonathan also says, Jim's implication was that they were, that almost everyone came here as slave. I do not believe that was either said or implied at all. I in fact said, The ancestors of today's population by and large immigrated to the US at least one full generation after slavery was abolished. Though Minnesota had very little real political interest in slavery, I think if you check you will find that Minnesotans of that time, on a per-capita basis, gave their lives to end slavery at a higher rate than almost any other State. Visit Shiloh or Gettysburg and look at the memorials to Minnesota's dead. I also said, This country like almost every country in the world, and particularly African Countries, has enslaved every race there is. Scots and Irish were sent to this country as slaves, Chinese people came as slaves, Indian people were enslaved here, and of course Black people were. It is something we all share and something that we all bear. But lets not blame people indiscriminately. I do not believe my wife's Norwegian grandparents who came in the 1920's, or their progeny, had anything to do with slavery in this country, (and probably not Norway, since they were peasant farmers). These are the actual things I wrote, so I have a problem seeing what foundation Jonathan has for such a statement. I see nowhere here where I said almost everyone came here as slaves. What I said was that all races have been brought here as slaves or enslaved here. I also implied that all peoples have practiced slavery until the very recent past. Quite a different proposition, unless someone is making assumptions about what they read. (Those distorted glasses I talked about or political opportunism). And Jonathan, have you ever read a Bible about the enslavement of the Jews by the Egyptians because of perceived race. That was a mighty long time ago. And yes Jonathan, the British, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Native Americans, etc. have practiced slavery by race. Their perception of race may be different from yours, but as Jonathan says race is nothing more than a non-existent social constructs. Jonathan writes, I didn't say they haven't had experience with discrimination, but rather that they haven't had the same and definitely not equal experiences. Jim's implication was that they were, that almost everyone came here as slaves. The logical argument is such that if all external experiences and characteristics were equal then the shortcomings in a particular group come from internal characteristics or experiences. I argue again with Jim's implication, (I didn't imply
Re: [Mpls] Doug Grow: Activist or act. Spike Moss is a conundrum
Hey, what ever happened to Shariff Willis/Gangs for Peace and all that stuff? SSB and him organized some sort of 'get out of gangs free' organization in the say, early 90s. Anyone know? How about a group called MAD DADS - Men Against Destruction -Defending Against Drugs and Social disorder? I've had two t-shirts in my office here for nearly two years now and no one knows who should get them. On the back the partners in the endeavor are listed as follows: Abbott Northwestern Hospital, WeedSeed, MCDA, Center for Fathering They're nice shirts - a rather kelly green w/black print, both size L. If you know and are the FIRST caller/emailer I'll mail them to you... JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] rascism
I have a friend whose husband is African American who was refused to be served breakfast(although they said they'd still serve HER) in Brainerd in 1982. Irony is he lives in Brainerd now; they're divorced. I often wonder how he can stand it. JHarmon Cleveland From: WizardMarks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James E Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] rascism Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:06:38 -0500 James E Jacobsen wrote: About the southern cities scenario, I didn't say they had integrated social events or that the blacks or the whites wanted to totally interact socially, I doubt they did. I got that from my sister and brother in law, who, as new PHD, they went to work at St Judes of Memphis, rented a place and that's what their neighbors told them, that previously, the blacks and whites had good working relations. WM: What are good working relations? In this country it meant that African Americans knew (know) their place. For some folks, this is still the case apparently. So long as AAs did all the slog work at poor wages, the whites would only hang, beat, brutalize those who had the temerity to look a white person in the eye, or not move off the sidewalk to allow whites to pass, or sit in the back of the bus. (I remember riding the bus in St. Louis when that was still true in the late 60s.) I said you should read an old southern novel, and check out Bernard Baruch. Actually, Baruch entertained members of congress and the President at his anti bellum plantation at Hobcow, Franklin Roosevelt himself spent a good month there late in his time of office and during which they would go to church, of course on Sunday and the only church there was the black's church with the black preacher and they went and it is fun reading the discussion of it. WM: I've read the old Southern novels, I read the new ones as well. Reading the ones by Caucasians may not give an accurate picture (like Gone with the Wind, what a farce). Check out Barbara Hambly who writes about Louisiana in the 1830s. That'll curl your hair. Read Toni Morrison, Chester Himes, James Baldwin, and on and on. The happy darky crap is just that--crap. The people carping about rascism are the ones who know and have thought little of the background of it all. WM: This is an assumption you are in no position to natter on about. Having read a lot of the histories, when I see people here and now in Minneapolis who think they still are fighting the civil war, I am not charmed. WM: People here in Minneapolis are still fighting against racism. Possible reasons: it hurts the body politic to have it continue unabated. It hurts our neighbors who are AA. I don't like it when some gratuitous racist feels the need to behave like a pig to one of my neighbors over the color of his/her skin. I find it insulting to all of us. I've read the hate male to AA leaders in this community--I've received some myself for supporting my neighbors. I've been called a race traitor for supporting the just claims of my AA neighbors. The Civil War may be over in some parts of this country. My neighbors are struggling against the racism that takes places every day right here in MN. As to the white - black relationship being often one of employer and employee -same as the white white relationship is often as employer-employee- that is a big step up from master - slave, and nobody can argue that today opportunity -for school employment and good life- is not open to people of any race color or religion, at least in America. WM: Mr. Jacobson, your entire screed is an insult to all the people of Minneapolis who recognize the racism still prevalent in the city. You have to have your head pretty far down in the sand to have missed the realities of that racism. WizardMarks, Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Baseball
I'm just wondering how much in union dues these guys pay per month, and the monetary value of their sunshine fund. Jill Harmon Cleveland, not Ohio From: Dean Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Baseball Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:42:36 -0500 Jeez Loueez, the ink isn't even dry on this sucker and the no-stadium contingent is already out, fangs bared. Many on this list said no new stadium until baseball got it's economics in order. Well they just did that. We don't have to worry about the threat of contraction anymore either. I know most on this list don't want to accept it but a majority of the public want a new stadium and are willing to have some (small) amount of public assistance included to do it. Let's just get it done. Dean Carlson East Harriet, Ward 10 - Original Message - From: Bob Velez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [Mpls] Baseball According to preliminary reports (wcco.com), part of the 11th hour deal struck to prevent a baseball work stoppage is that contraction of teams will not be reconsidered until 2006. Note to elected officials: THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE REWARD our owner-in- waiting, Carl, with a new stadium. Note to citizens: We can expect at least 4 more years of our elected officials coming back each year with some new stadium deal. The solution: THROW OUT THE INCUMBENTS! I can state that I will be a solid NO vote on a stadium proposal as long as the education funding issues and other budgetary problems/issues loom. I say let Carl come up with a proposal and get the public behind it; why should our elected officials be on the hook for convincining the public that we need a new stadium? Bob Velez Shingle Creek Ward 4-1 -- Citizen Bob Velez Green Party endorsed candidate for Hennepin County Commissioner, District 1 AFSCME (Local 34) ENDORSED http://www.webspawner.com/users/citizenbobvelez/ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Pit Bulls: Ban Them !
With regard to citing that the CDC seems to have no trouble telling us which breed leads statistically in the number of attacks on human beings, I have to disagree. I'd put pit bulls at a close second behind OTHER human beings. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] (no subject)
Personal responsibility for pet-owners or parents - what an insane concept. Personally, I'm up for euthanizing HUMANS involved in perpetrating any violent crime; melee or no melee. Sure would save on all those hot meals and cots in the prisons. Ironic that the state/city/county can't scrape up enough dough to house the homeless who have kids and jobs - but stab someone with a blunt instrument and you've got a home for life. Or, like the 'dude' in the recent Skyway News article, move here from the 'bay area', hang out with your girlfriend for awhile and, if your luck runs bad, you can get a check and a free bus ride home. It's a rather pathetic state er, city of affairs. Nearly all the people interviewed when asked why they were homeless stated that they moved here. I wonder why. Sure isn't the weather. And how does moving somewhere make you homeless? Did someone force you onto the Greyhound? Ever read a newspaper? Heard the term housing crisis? I've moved 13 times in my 30+ years and it'd be a cold day in heck when I'd just move someplace without a plan. Research the job market, the cost of living, the availability of a place to live. I think most of the people cited in the article are in denial not only due to their addictions, but in neglecting to have a plan. Is planning so anal? Life doesn't happen to you, you sort of carve a path as you go. And to try to tie in to the recent uproar with relation to pre-fab housing, I doubt any one of the folks interviewed would mind living in one, provided it was warm and cozy in the winter months. Even tony East Hampton has numerous mobile home communities i.e. trailor courts. I'd rather have trailor courts than families camping under bridges. But that's just me. The opposition to pre-fabs reaks of legislated socialism. Since when do people care whether their neighbors have a place to store their lawnmowers? Mine's in my backyard last I checked. And further, since when is owning a full array of yard implements a prerequisite to buying a house? Do you have to have a snowblower too? A trash compactor? Digital cable? 2.5 SUVs in the driveway? Who makes up these rules anyway? Don Imus said it best: UPTIGHT WHITE. I don't obsess over the turnover rate of my house on a daily basis. My investment in my home is the time I've spent in it, not how much I've spent on it. But then I'm no land baron. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Red Light Running
I think most would agree Minnesota drivers are the pits. Red lights = accellerate at all costs; green lights, you break out a lunch. I've noticed most can't seem to do two things at once i.e. talk on the phone and continue to accellerate and at least attempt to stay in their lane. I thought speaker phones were relatively mandatory w/relation to car phones, but I might be mistaken. Is there an increased insurance rate for car phones? Wasn't there higher rates for smoking drivers at one time? The rationale being that the smoking driver would be lighting a cigarette or dousing one, or fanning their flaming trousers, and therefore the risk of an accident was greater? I loved the letter from a Star Tribune reader that suggested giving cell phone users the sane lane... As far as everyone seeming to be in a hurry, it's rather self-important - they're such an integral part of where they're going they feel totally justified in risking my life and theirs to get there. I once made a bumper sticker that said: Tube of mascara - $8.95 Cost of removing applicator wand from eye socket should the driver in front of you hit the brakes suddenly - $10,895.00 Of course that's just an estimate. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Sharon Sayles Belton: Time to rally behind Block E
When the council finally approved the redevelopment of Block E it was after some long and tedious discussion. They thought long and hard and had genuine concern that they not just approve any old plan just to spur activity on a block that long stood vacant; but that they approve a plan that blended with the city and its vision. Can't say I was surprised that our esteemed former mayor termed the current discussion of design details involved in the project as quibbling. I do however, find it insulting to staff who've had the project on their proverbial plate for over a decade now. I'd like to suggest that the folks struggling over whether or not to name a street after her quit their dilly-dallying and scratch her name off the list. JHarmon Cleveland From: Rosalind Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Minneapolis Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Sharon Sayles Belton: Time to rally behind Block E Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:30:06 -0500 This is not the time to quibble about the location of Block E's bathrooms... http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/3134087.html No one can accuse her of lacking nerve. Rosalind Nelson Bancroft, ward 8 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] yank the lifeguards at (some) city beaches
the Minneapolis beach rules appear to be designed to keep someone from even THINKING about filing a lawsuit. We're talking hyper-protective, hyper pro-active. It's frustrating I know, but the truth is most laws are written for the lowest common denominator - people who don't know any better, have to have the rules spelled out to them (and even then not adhere or fiegn understanding) and who'd bring their kids (or pets) there to swim WITHOUT watching them or making sure they're not in harm's way. It takes a split second for a child to drown. If you have a lake full of splashing kids and semi-attentive adults engrossed in the latest who did who issue of People, who just happen to be parents, it can be troubling. My husband was a lifeguard for many years. Upon reflection, he frequently expresses frustration at how many times he had to rescue a small child by yanking them out of the water while the parent (who couldn't swim or was in what was I THINKING? shock) stood in ankle deep water screaming - apparently helpless. They don't make much money - but they earn their dinero should they save a small child (i.e. yours) when a parent looks away for that split-second of a moment. It's rather a toss-up in that respect. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis police officer killed
Interesting note: Not to make light of any situation of the sort: I was standing in my front yard chatting with the neighbor when my husband, driving his prized white '65 Cadillac DeVille convertible pulls up, with two MPD squads behind him with their lights on. I asked my neighbor if I should approach and identify myself and before he could say, Nah, I wouldn't just yet, they had my husband in cuffs. Another squad cruised by... Turns out they were after a fellon who was driving a similar vehicle. I'm glad they're on the scene and wouldn't want the job for all the money in the world. JHarmon Cleveland From: Joe Barisonzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'List Manager' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Mpls list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis police officer killed Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:02:36 -0500 All, I am stunned, shocked and saddened. Officer Schmidt was an outstanding example of a committed community police officer. Her commitment to our neighborhood was tremendous. Her loss will be deeply felt by the residents of Horn Terrace, so many of them who escaped this type of violence overseas. Deeply felt by the residents of the neighborhood, so many who value a deep relationship with their local CCP-Safe officer. My heart goes out to her professional family of fellow officer and her immediate family of friends and loved ones. Shaken, Joseph Barisonzi Lyndale, Ward 10 Live across the street from Horn Terrace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of List Manager Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:13 AM To: Mpls list Subject: [Mpls] Minneapolis police officer killed 35-year-old officer Melissa Schmidt died when she was shot under a bulletproof vest in a bathroom at Horn Towers in southwest Minneapolis. A 60-year-old woman, spotted in the Horn Towers parking lot with a gun, was killed, too. You think about this every day on the job and hope it never happens, said Sgt. John Delmonico, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis. It's a big dose of reality. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3136014.html http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/3785499.htm David Brauer List manager ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Jordan residents discuss safety concerns
Nary a mention of the large amount of prostitutes roaming the streets at all hours. Or is that just in Cleveland neighborhood? This summer the presence of independent contractors du jour is especially prevelant, all along Lowry from Lyndale to Penn and on Penn too by the new school. I wonder what's changed. Market fluctuation? Increase in disposeable income? I've lived in the 'hood on and off for many years and never noticed such a large number of them. I would suppose it goes hand and hand with gangs and drugs. JHarmon Cleveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] I was taught that civil service was apolitical
I shall remain stifled no longer! I'm neither a neighborhood activist nor a politician. A hack possibly, but only when I'm weeding or trimming the schnauzers, neither of which is a particularly political venture. I imagine we'll get to see how apolitical the process is when McKinsey's recommendations are implemented and city employees, members of the some 12 labor unions involved, are given their new assignments or in some cases, the boot. Surprising there's been no discussion of the fact that many of the current council and the mayor were DFL endorsed. I can just hear the battle cry of Remember McKinsey!! during the next election... The good news is that if we're all as prehistoric, uneducated and difficult to work with as folks claim, MCDA staff will likely remain verbal punching bags for every angry citizen, mediocre developer and disgruntled politician for decades to come -regardless of McKinsey's glowing recommendations. I am struck, but have empathy to some extent, for the folks that really are counting on municipal government suddenly becoming a smooth-running, well-oiled machine by merely adopting someone else's idea of business acumen. Especially a former consultant to KMart (eew) and Enron (blech!)I guess the devil's in the details. It's been my personal experience that free advice is worth pretty much what you pay for it. JHarmon Cleveland _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Earwig info
I didn't see any predators mentioned. Ohio and Colorado and Texas though have trouble with them, and have websites on attempting to control them, so I would imagine they could be a problem if they got out of hand. It says they're nocturnal and once inside the home, will hang out in a wet mop or in decaying organic matter, in cracks in a basement, etc. Recommends using a crevice spray of somesort. Also says they emit a foul odor too - when squashed. Weird eh? JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Panel recommends downtown parking changes
The Social Security Administration does not consider alcoholism a disability. Contrary to your tiresome and consistent mantra, alcoholics and drug addicts are human beings with voting rights and homes and families too, and the majority of them are functional. They hold down a job, pay taxes, mow the grass. Some even own property. Some people, of course, are just plain nuts... JHarmon Cleveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Earwig info
The good news is that they don't crawl in your ear and bore into your brain. (that's a relief) Here's some info though about iradicating and evicting them that I found: The European earwig is the species most common to the Atlantic Provinces and can be found outside and inside the home. They enter a house with the help of a host - on humans, clothing, vegetables, newspapers, etc. Earwigs are reddish-brown, approximately 4/5 of an inch (2 cm) long with antennae and a noticeable set of pincers which protrude from the abdomen. The pincers of the male are curved whereas those of the female are straight. The female uses her pincers to protect herself and eggs from other insects, but they cannot harm humans. Earwigs have wings but they are rarely used to fly. Earwigs wait for darkness to begin their search for food and shelter. They enjoy dark, moist areas and feed on decaying plant and animal matter. They also cause slug-like damage to leaves, petals, fruit and vegetables. One way to determine if a slug or earwig is the cause of damage is to look for a slimy substance which slugs leave behind. Earwigs also damage vegetables by entering and enlarging existing holes. Earwigs can be beneficial in the garden if they can be prevented from damaging vegetables and flowers, and entering the household. It is important to avoid killing earwigs because they are predators of some small insect pests such as aphids. LIFE CYCLE The life cycle of the earwig consists of egg, nymph and adult. In early spring, after overwintering in soil, the female earwig lays up to 60 eggs in the top section of soil. In about seven days, the eggs hatch and nymphs emerge. The female tends to the eggs and nymphs for the first two weeks. The nymphs are similar to adults, only smaller. Over a 70 day period, the nymphs pass through four growth stages before becoming an adult. Egg laying can take place twice per year (spring and summer). Adult earwigs will be most noticeable in July, August and September. Earwigs live for approximately one year, but most often the males die during the winter months. CONTROL Physical If earwigs are damaging your plants, there are some physical control measures available. Since they are active at night, check your garden with a flashlight to determine if earwigs are present and causing damage. Practice sanitary conditions around your home by removing leaf litter, stacks of firewood, decaying matter and other items which attract earwigs. Earwig traps are easy to construct and very economical. Take a rolled up newspaper, a piece of corrugated cardboard or a paper towel tube filled with straws and seal it on one end. Place it in an area of the garden where earwigs have been observed. When the earwigs crawl inside, it is next to impossible for them to escape. A bait of honey or peanut butter can be used to attract earwigs to these traps, but it is not necessary. Another trapping method is to place a shallow dish or can in a hole so that the top of it is at ground level. If a tin can is used, an empty tuna or sardine can with oil remaining on the inside is best. In the morning, check the traps and shake all captured earwigs into a bucket of soapy water. To limit the number of earwigs which find a way into the household, take time to shake and look at objects before bringing them inside, seal cracks and check window openings and doors. Also check damp hiding places such as windows, flooring and under sinks. Earwigs may be found indoors during hot, dry summers. Chemical If physical control measures are not effective, use a pesticide which will have a minimal impact on both you and the environment. It is easier to treat earwigs during the nymph stage. Insecticidal soaps are available as a pesticidal control. There are also baits, dusts and sprays available to control earwigs. If the above measures are not effective, consult with an expert at a garden center for additional pesticides available. Before using pesticides, consult the Backyard Bug Brigade Brochure which contains information on safe pest control. Always use a registered domestic class pest control product labelled for earwig control and carefully follow the label directions. Happy Hunting, JHarmon Cleveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] PANEL RECOMMENDS DOWNTOWN PARKING CHANGES
We shouldn't assume that because someone's not actively limping that they're not disabled. Heart disease, asthma, and arthritis to name a few, are disabilities for many, yet they may not look disabled to the ablebodied. JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] SSB Boulevard
No one's even suggested Fraser Boulevard. If memory serves, he was mayor when the gentrification and segregation took place that resulted in poor minority people being steered toward the projects in the first place. Why not name it after him? It could be one of those let's remember not to forget deals. JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Biernat Had 'Full Knowledge'
You raise some good points, although hoping for Biernat's moral fiber to reawaken rather assumes that he has some. I suspect most of his fiber these days comes in a cereal box. JHarmon Cleveland _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Neighborhood Environments (was Trainor website)
I won't win any friends for saying this, but maybe people who live on the north side have accepted the fact that they live in an urban setting and that planes, cars, buses, and car alarms are simply part of that equation. People who have chosen to live in an urban environment or near the airport can't have all the amenities of city living and the peace and quiet of the suburbs too. I got a kick out of the folks on Lake Harriet griping about thumping stereos on the news a couple weeks back - seems they just can't concentrate on their raking. For some ureason the media thought that warranted news coverage. Sure thumping stereos are a nuisance, sort of like anal compulsive weed-wackers and lawn mowers... JHarmon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Let's get specific: Mpls spent $66 million for Culture Recreation
No company that I've ever been involved with/worked for releases the statemnts for an annual report for at least a year after it happens. The bureacracy alone involved in (city) budget activities makes it nearly impossible for the figures to be analyzed for up to a year ahead of time. The (Minneapolis) park board is famous for whining about money; as is the school board. The MCDA consistently gets the mundane brow-beaten for trying to provide places for all people of varied incomes to live...yadda yadda yadda...NEWS FLASH: even though it might be the almighty school board ordering the demolitions (of affordable housing) for the(forward thinking goal )construction of a public (although mediocre) school, it's that cursed rogue MCDA that often times ends up in ownership of the subject properties in the interim; so they're the proverbial public punching bag. I applaud the new administration for attempting to bring the school board and the park and rec people into the planning and development process. Maybe then the entire bureaucracy can share the blame for demolishing livable housing. JHarmon Cleveland P.S. there ain't no justice. JHarmon Cleveland From: Victoria Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Let's get specific: Mpls spent $66 million for Culture Recreation Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:34:13 -0500 During the year 2000, the total City expenditures were $480 million broken down as follows.. $52,081,000 for general government $149,636,000 for public safety $35,846,000 for highways and streets $20,718,000 for health and welfare $66,585,000 for culture and recreation *** $21,692,000 for economic development $35,232 ,000 for urban development and housing $97,997,000 for debt service Assuming that the Parks department is part of Culture and Recreation, let's get an audit of where the money actually goes. I'm still waiting for the 2001 financial reports - will produce a cash flow statement for the list as soon as they're available. Vicky Heller North Oaks Minneapolis Property Owner and Taxpayer ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Still kinda quiet of the McKenzie report
As an employee of le rogue agency, I'll likely be directly effected by the proposed McKinsey recommendations and believe me, there are some changes I'd welcome. I agree that job creation should be THE city priority, but it'll likely have to be coupled with a skills/training, get-up-and-get-there sort of program for the folks who are seemingly unemployable - a population that seems to fall through the cracks. Regarding implementation of the proposed recommendations, convincing seasoned bureaucrats to get on board is another matter entirely. The paperwork alone that's required to implement the changes would likely fill the Metrodome. (now THERE'S an idea) Rybak has optimistically stated that he forsees the new agency up and running within a year's time. That'd be quite a feat. Having just digested Business Week's article citing McKinsey's cozy relationship with Enron, I'm rather out of sorts. The WORLD'S most prestigious consulting firm? Right here in River City?! Sort of makes you wonder what (potentially) is in it for them. I mean let's face it, the City of Minneapolis is no KMart. And even I'd question a $1 million free lunch. At the very least we should all be darn happy that as taxpayers, who've been footing the bill for one tiresome study after another, year after year; we may have gotten exactly what we paid for. JHarmon Cleveland _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Nicollet and Lake Commons Project
Anybody know the estimate for re-and re-locating Nico Plating?? From: Dave Harstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Nicollet and Lake Commons Project Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:48:48 -0700 (PDT) I am an attorney who works for Sherman Associates on the Nicollet and Lake Commons Project. I live in the Whittier neighborhood, a few blocks away from the site, and have been actively involved in neighborhood efforts to get Nicollet re-opened for several years. I write to respond to Joe Barazonzis comments about the project. [JB] The process has always been developer rather than community lead. Although it should be noted that there has been significant community involvement and the credit for that goes to Sherman and Associates. [DH] Sherman Associates became interested in the project when people from the neighborhood approached Sherman and requested that they think about redevloping Nic-Lake. There is a joint Lyndale-Whittier Task Force that meets regularly to discuss the project and advise Sherman. Each component of the project came from the community, and is supported by the community. Of course, the devil is in the details, but Sherman is working extremely hard on details too. Here is a run down of the the big picture: a) Re-opening Nicollet: Closing Nicollet was a huge mistake that needs to be remedied by the City. I have never met anyone who is opposed to re-opening Nicollet. A few years ago, the City Council formed the Nicollet Avenue Task Force, and staffed it with Planning Department and MCDA staff. The Task Force Found that re-opening Nicollet was the top priority for Nicollet Avenue (which it called Minneapolis Main Street). Jim Niland and Lisa McDonald in particular recognized the importance of getting this done. Their efforts should not be forgotten. b) Discount Grocer: In Whittier Alliance focus groups, a discount grocer was listed the top development priority for the neighborhood. c) Discount retailer: When Kmart pulled out the project last fall and was tentatively replaced by the Hennepin County Medical Clinic, there was a loud outcry from the neighborhoods. People vigorously argued that area residents, particularly low and moderate income residents without cars, needed to be able to do one stop shopping for clothing, consumer products, etc. at a discount retailer. At one community meeting, a woman incredulously demanded of the developer, If Kmart goes, where will I buy my underwear? Sherman Associates listened, and began working to attract a discount retailer to the development. d) Affordable housing: Sherman will build approximately 300 units of affordable for sale and rental units. Some neighborhood activists want more expensive for sale housing, some want more units for the needy. So Sherman has tried to come up with a mixed income plan that works for everyone. Certainly everyone agrees that housing production is a top development priority for the City. Here are 300 new units that could be built without a single renter or homeowner displaced. e.) Retail condos. The developer proposes to build 25 x 25 retail condos around the grocery, the discount retailer, and along the Midtown Greenway. The Asian community on Nicollet is very excited about this component and has lists of interested buyers. These condos will add life to the street, and create a retail farm system that will certainly lead to further successes on Nicollet, particularly south of Lake Street, where investment is really needed. f) Midtown Greenway: Another top priority for the neighborhood is to encourage development that enhances the Midtown Greenway. The housing will overlook the Greenway and there will be numerous new connections to it, both for recreation and for future transit. g) Empowerment Zone: The development is in the south EZ, and would bring $100 million in investment. Sherman hopes to use Empowerment Zone Bonding, which requires that EZ residents be employed by businesses benefiting from the bonding. So the project will create good jobs for EZ residents. Again, I can think of few people who would be opposed to this sort of investment and job creation in the EZ. [JB] The developer has not delivered despite previous extensions. [DH] Respectfully, Joe you have the facts wrong. There havent been any previous extensions. Further, its unfair to say Sherman hasnt delivered. Putting together a $100 million project is tough work, and doesnt happen overnight. But Sherman wouldnt be spending so much time and money on pre-development if it didnt think it could get this done soon. Sherman has a great tract record, and has every intention of delivering. [JB] The current proposal does not seem to have numbers that work. [DH] Not true. Not only does Sherman have numbers that work, the numbers work without significant subsidy. A rundown of the pro forma is outside the scope of this forum, but Id be happy to share it with anyone off
[Mpls] Reorganization of the MCDA, the FBI, my kitchen cupboards
Seems it's the fashionable thing now, this reorganization and streamlining effort. I'm surprised there's not been more discussion on the list about the pending merge/re-org of the Planning Dept/MCDA/Public Works. Guess the topic was more alluring during election time, sorta like McDonald's bra ad.but I digress. I'm optimistic (so un-like me) and am hoping if it's aggressively pursued that it happens quickly and to the benefit of everyone - both residents and employees of our fair city. Enjoying my final days of maternity leave before returning to my post at the agency, JHarmon CLeveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Krispy Kreme?
And only 12 grams of fat per!! JHarmon Cleveland From: Andy Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Krispy Kreme? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:49:04 -0500 The same might be said of the Vikings, the Twins, etc. Icons are big stuff in our culture these days. Diversion is the deal. Anything to distract us from challenging questions like what the Kondirator is doing to our air, eight lanes on Lake Street, using money woes to revert back to neighborhood school to avoid the de-segregation issues. No. Krispy Kreme donuts look good on television and the national icon for big bellied Americans is coming to a Minneapolis north suburb. Let's spend 10 minutes of a 15-minute prime time newscast during sweeps week watching children planting themselves for 24 hours outside the door for the imminent opening of a drive-through bakery. Our news has become a series of front-page and dominant stories about the comings and goings of celebrity, sports and cultural icons. Ever get the idea no one wants to think any more? Andy Driscoll Saint Paul -- I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of the country. --- Thomas Jefferson,1816 From: Conor Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:28:36 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Krispy Kreme? Please excuse the softness of this fatty topic, but seriously, what's up with Krispy Kreme? I mean, since when is the opening of a donut shop in Maple Grove such a hot scoop? I swear I've seen nearly a baker's dozen of theses stories in the Strib over the last several months. Can some knowledgeable person with years of experience purchasing baked goods explain to me why this is being covered so rigorously? Judging by the popularity of this joint, should we be anticipating the opening of one in Mpls soon? http://www.startribune.com/stories/456/2250474.html conor donnelly Waitepark W1 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] re: bad driving
On a related note; there's a t.v. commercial out, portraying the 'horror' of smoking in a car w/an infant, and the potential horrific dangers of second-hand smoke; yet I've seen so many people driving around w/their children standing up or sitting w/out restraint in the front or backseat. I even know of an accident-related DWI in which a 6-week old baby was found sprawled across the dashboard of the car...makes one wonder where the real danger lies; in knowledge, or lack thereof or the ultimate realization of thereof... one of many new moms surely suffering from carseat fobia JHarmon Cleveland From: Jim McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] re: bad driving Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:49:21 -0600 I do most of my personal transit by bus or by bicycle (depending on weather and, frankly, the current status of my tendonitis - cycling daily in addition to working on computers all day can be painful). As a result of this, poor driving has major consequences for me. On a cycle drivers not paying attention are a matter of life and death. Every commuter cyclist knows this and is hyper aware of what happens around him or her. As to a phone # to call to report bad drivers. I really honestly hope no such thing exists. If it does - I have to ask - does one have to join the Hitler Youth to be eligible to use it - or do you use it first in order to gain eligibility to join? Pardon my bluntness, but the last thing I want to be is a member of a society where it's a practice to spy on and report your neighbors to authorities. Jim McGuire Como ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Don't get your car towed while you are on vacation
can't find people to collect the cash to get back the cars Just a thought: The above excuse could be because the city offers a whopping $8-9.00/hour to folks who are willing to stand behind the bullet and spit-proof glass and be verbally assaulted by angry people attempting to pick up their cars, often times sans a license, proof of ownership, insurance or the funds to pay their bill. I wouldn't want the job either. JHarmon Cleveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: dara and jucy lucys
The Cardinal used to serve a good greasy version as well. Are they still around or is there a proposed LRT station there now? I used to live in that neighborhood and haven't been by much since... JHarmon Cleveland From: deanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Re: dara and jucy lucys Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:31:05 GMT If you're not at MATT's, you're not eating a Jucy Lucy. Dean Carlson East Harriet. Todd Melby writes: It's a hotly debated topic and folks are dead-set in their opinions. So I thought I'd throw it out to the group. Matt's or 5-8? (And don't be saying Adrian's.) Todd Melby Seward ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Soucheray's column in Pioneer Press
Did the naked man's socks match? JHarmon Cleveland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Re: Soucheray's column in Pioneer Press Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:14:48 EST Gee, I don't know, guys. I'm probably wrong, but I am so disillusioned with professional baseball that I'd rather stick St. Paul with the Twins and steal the Saints. Wouldn't that be a coup. Regarding the non-PC attitude: burning incense, etc., yawn, ZZZ. As I always say, there's nothing like a good joke, and THAT was nothing like a good joke. The 60's were 40 years ago and some anti-PC quips seem even older. As for Kelly, he may think he's swimming with the sharks now, but I predict he'll jump out of the pool the second he spies a vacant beach chair, and try to save RiverCentre instead. P.S. Mpls City Hall has a naked man in its lobby, but St. Paul can't even have red poinsettias. The rivalry is alive and well. Kristine Harley Sheridan ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Rybak staff proposals and Diversity
The new mayor has repeatedly solicited for resumes both in person and on his website for ANYONE interested in partaking in his administration's employ. Secondly, I believe traditionally that the mayor gets to choose their immediate staff, or often a chief of staff to assist them in doing so. Thirdly, it's my understanding that most employees at City Hall are civil servants and as such, have a negotiated union contract that must be adhered to by management with relation to hiring, salaries, etc. The last point I wanted to make is that regardless of ethnicity, women still make a whopping 75 cents to a man's dollar, and I've yet to attend a meeting where a woman says, could you fetch us some coffee? or where are the bagels? Race is used as an inequity yes, but it's one of many that take place in workplace sectors, both public and private. If three women are seen chatting near the water cooler it's a hen party - if it's men gaffawing (or to keep with the crows thread, cawing) about their golf game, it's healthy, stress-relieving banter due to their demanding workloads that has proven to result in measurable increased productivity... This sort of behavior can make a non-gender specific person wanna just stay home, barefoot and pregnant. :) JHarmon Cleveland _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] re: stadia
Bonham states: I would not oppose building new stadium(s) if they REALLY were set up so that no public financing was used. But I have not seen such a plan yet. All the plans proposed hide subsidies from the public somewhere inside them. The whole public financing thread reaches a more morose level when you realize that public funds have already been spent by the truckload vis a' vis the fact that, for years now, there have been municipal, county, state and likely federal employees, in addition to many well-paid, esteemed elected officials, toiling their hours away chawing over the issue on the taxpayer's dime. JHarmon, curmudgeon Cleveland _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis Crows
Several million and we'd have to declare a Crow Emergency. JHarmon Cleveland From: Richard K. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mpls] Minneapolis Crows Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:25:14 -0800 Clark, Several hundred is a slow news day. Several thousand is something else. Richard Anderson Loring Park -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clark C. Griffith Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:04 PM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis Crows Several hundred crows settled into trees between James and Irving, South of Douglas, last Saturday. They arrived from the west and departed to the east. Is this a slow news day or what? Clark Griffith, Seventh Ward ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Bad, Bad, Renters!
Since when are affluence and mental illness or chemical dependency mutually exclusive? There are more untreated mentally-ill and addicted folks wandering the streets of this city than will ever make up the self-proclaimed recovering folks who make up this supposedly evil 30% of the neighborhood. And further, if supportive programs' successes are to be measured in any way, then they have to be accessibile to those who need them, which in turn means locating the services where the people are - whether it's in Stevens or anywhere else. JHarmon Cleveland John Cevette responds: The point the poster was making was balance. A truly integrated Minneapolis means rich, poor, and disabled all sharing the same neighborhood. No one can seriously argue against the inbalance in Stevens Square. With 31% of population requiring supportive services because of the money and power of the affordable/supportive housing industry forcing facilities into our neighborhood, they squeeze out the middle class and the affluent. There should be a place for everyone in every neighborhood. The arguement is not who's bad and who's good. While they create enclaves, we lose diversity. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
