Re: Que pasa? [groups in alias's]
On Sat 06-Apr-2002 at 06:02:26 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: and then, while holding down the finger on backspace for the next 2 minutes clearing out the to: field, you think mutt is a great program, but something here is very seriously stuffed. At least I couldn't find a key which clears the whole field. Ctrl-U, there are lots of other nifty commands for working with the built-in editor - Right at the end of the manual of course ;-). On a similar vain, why can't I select from any of the mail folders (like after c) from the send screen when I want to change Fcc:? Works for me, at least tab-completion does, and two tabs takes me to the folder browser. -- Bruno
Re: un-alternates?
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % possibilities, is there a way to un-alternates a regexp? Barring that, ... %alternates=(!(^lauratg.*)@justpick) ... % % Well, there's only one way to find out if that works ;) No, there's AT LEAST one way. A much easier way is to ask around :-) % % If it doesn't, though, you might try this: % % alternates=^[^l][^a][^u][^r][^a][^t][^g].*@justpick % % Of course, that's kind of a bubble sort... ;) Yeah. Worse yet, it's not just Laura (I have the daughters, too, you know), so that would get *really* ugly really fast. % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % The only qualities for real success in journalism are ratlike cunning, a % plausible manner and a little literary ability. The capacity to steal % other people's ideas and phrases ... is also invaluable. % -- Nicolas Tomalin, Stop the Press, I Want to Get On TIA HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26823/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: un-alternates?
--y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! David T-G spake thus: % Well, there's only one way to find out if that works ;) =20 No, there's AT LEAST one way. A much easier way is to ask around :-) Bah, the way you're doing it takes forever, though :P % If it doesn't, though, you might try this: %=20 % alternates=3D^[^l][^a][^u][^r][^a][^t][^g].*@justpick %=20 % Of course, that's kind of a bubble sort... ;) =20 Yeah. Worse yet, it's not just Laura (I have the daughters, too, you know), so that would get *really* ugly really fast. Well obviously the only solution here is to register a second domain and tell your wife and kids that their new email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and whatever else for your kids), then the 'justpick' thing will only match your address again :) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If a thing's worth doing, it is worth doing badly. -- G.K. Chesterton --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8r21GPTh2iSBKeccRAhX6AJ9FUJIuj0OIMhNLRFOCvjAasZqsKwCfe31f 9DK6BudTHVyxoqltf6XgfSE= =+dyj -END PGP SIGNATURE- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6--
Re: un-alternates?
David, et al -- ...and then David Champion said... % % * On 2002.04.06, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % possibilities, is there a way to un-alternates a regexp? Barring that, % can I specify that an entire string (lauratg) be not-matched in the % alternates line like % %alternates=(!(^lauratg.*)@justpick) % % I would try [^(lauratg)]@justpick, rather. But I don't know whether % it would work. Hmmm... I'll give that a shot. The idea is that the () makes the string stay a string instead of just be single letters, right? % % On a related note -- is mutt's regular expression code similar enough % to something else that I can find or generate a standalone tool to test % patterns without making up false mail messages? Would using the GNU % regex package be equivalent, or are there significant changes to mutt's % branch? I'd love the answer to this, too, for the same bogus-messages reason as well as not having to whip up a special muttrc and then find a folder with a message to match... % % -- % -D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago TIA HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26825/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: un-alternates?
Hi, * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [04/06/02 23:48:54 CEST] wrote: Well obviously the only solution here is to register a second domain and tell your wife and kids that their new email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and whatever else for your kids), then the 'justpick' thing will only match your address again :) Maybe he could use a script generating $alternates... but still would look ugly. But, by the way, I'm just wondering why mails for his wife and daughter(s) end up in his mailbox. They acutally do because otherwise he would not have asked for a solution... Cheers, Rocco. msg26826/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: un-alternates?
Rocco -- ...and then Rocco Rutte said... % % Hi, Hello! % % * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [04/06/02 23:48:54 CEST] wrote: % Well obviously the only solution here is to register a second domain and % tell your wife and kids that their new email address is % [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and whatever else for your kids), then the % 'justpick' thing will only match your address again :) % % Maybe he could use a script generating $alternates... but still would % look ugly. Yeah, that would be messy. It would take it off of my hands, but I'd still have to do a lot of manual configuration. % % But, by the way, I'm just wondering why mails for his wife and % daughter(s) end up in his mailbox. They acutally do because otherwise he % would not have asked for a solution... The girls' mail actually does end up in my mailbox, since I hold it for them for now (they're 5 and almost-2, so they're not doing a lot of surfing on their own yet), but Laura's is as you'd typically expect, contrary to your hypothesis. When a mail sent to all church members or all family or such comes to me and is also addressed to her (so a copy is in her mailbox, as expected), when I reply to all mutt not only doesn't send a copy to me but also, because her address matches, doesn't send to her, either. % % Cheers, Rocco. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26827/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: syntax highlighting in mutt
Thomas -- ...and then Thomas Dickey said... % ... % you could make a shell-script wrapper to customize the keys. I do something % like that for vile (not for keys, but to format a manpage on-the-fly and % view it with vile). Yeah, I thought of that too late. Thanks, though. I love that this is already done for me, as also noted in this thread :-) % % -- % Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://invisible-island.net % ftp://invisible-island.net :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26828/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I tag all messages...
On Sat, Apr 6, 2002, Heiko Heil wrote: ...without using patterns? t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t etc. ;-) -Ken
Re: un-alternates?
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % % I'd love the answer to this, too, for the same bogus-messages reason as % well as not having to whip up a special muttrc and then find a folder % with a message to match... % % I'm pretty sure I once saw somebody on this list asking for help with % his regex's, mutt was saying there was an error but wouldn't say where. % Then somebody else had tried to use the exact regex in either perl or Right; I remember that (it was perl). % sed (I forget), and that program said with greater clarity where the % error in the regex was. % % So try fooling with some sed regex's to get a working match, then use % that in mutt. Worth a shot; thanks. % % I just had an idea, though -- David, what are all the email addresses % you are working with here? If the ones you want all start with a certain [zero] [6:54pm] ~ grep altern .mutt/muttrcc set alternates=(^davidtg(pager|work|-.*|)|^dtg-bid|^choice(|(|-)consulting)|^c-cubed|^clasco(|(|-)properties)|^my_login)@((cyber(dude|junkie)|iname|poboxes|audiophile|bigfoot).com|sector13.org)|^david@(bae.uga.edu|coronaps.com)|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|justpickone *grin* I know it could be cleaned out -- I'm not at corona any more and the foobarbaz address is dead -- and could probably be simplified, but that's the lot for now. % group of letters, and the ones you don't want all start with a certain % group of letters, you could do this: % % ^[letters].*@justpick That's a start, until I set up lightning or mailwizard or queries or some such. Of course, this whole problem comes from being lazy in the first place :-) % % For example, your wife's email starts with l. Lets say for the sake of % argument that your daughter's emails start with b and j. Lets also say Actually, we have to worry about l,m,q,h,r (including the pets), and that certainly means that root will have a problem. Whoops; I forgot about mft, an account that gets little mail but which is mine and not the kiddo's. Another collision. I suppose I should update my $alternates, too. % that the email addresses you want in your $alternates are davidtg, root, % admin, and foobar. You could use this: % % ^[darf].*@justpick Yeah, that's not too bad. % % Then you'd have something that matches your addresses and not your wife % and kids addresses ;) Yeah. % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % As to house maintenance, does it involve problem solfing? If so, % your hacker can safely be left to deall with the panning (for the % musement value, if nothering ese). % -- Telsa Gwynne :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26834/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I shorten the 'To' list?
Bo -- ...and then Bo Peng said... % % Hello, Hi! % % Is there a way to let mutt display only one or two lines of To field? I % frequently receive emails with several pages of 'To's. Ignoring the To field Hmmm... You might set up a display filter that prints only the first N characters of a ^To:_ match for whatever N you like. Better yet, teach it about your $alternates (heh from another thread!) and then have it show only those addresses near yours or replace the whole thing with NOBODY_AT_THIS_ADDRESS! or some such. % altogether does not sound like a good idea. Agreed, though you could always see it again by looking at all of the headers if you wanted to... % % Thanks. HTH HAND % % -- % Bo Peng % Department of Statistics % Rice University % http://www.stat.rice.edu/~bpeng :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26835/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: from Netscape to mutt - dragNdrop
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:48:32AM +0100, Sven Guckes scratched: * Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 16:18]: I've got a couple of things to tweak yet before I'll be as productive with multiple folders as I was in NS, but otherwise I'm a really happy camper. I'm so used to having a 3 way split in my mail program: folders on the left side, message list in the top right, and preview in the bottom right. With that setup, it's a breeze to drag and drop messages to any of my 138 folders. Now, I understand the value of dragNdrop - but what's wrong with tag+save? Nothing, now that I know how to use it :-) giving access to several windows means that more commands must be distributed among the available keys. this means that some keys are bound to commands which simply switch between the windows. that's why different menus allow more commands for each menu. also, seeing all folders can be nice, too - but I don't have a monitor to show all of my 5,000 folders. ;-) Hehehee A 21 monitor helps, but being able to easily expand and collapse the folder hierarchy is really handy. Unfortunately, there is only so much that a console browser is capable of. Strange how much switching mail clients makes you think about context sensivity, context menus, mouseovers, and lots of other things that are taken for granted. Sven [hey - folders DSW!] DSW? Wim (I'm no longer on the mutt lists, please Cc me)
Re: How can I shorten the 'To' list?
I am reading http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/mail-to-filter which is dedicated to this problem. It is hard to ask some new problem. :-) Bo % Is there a way to let mutt display only one or two lines of To field? I % frequently receive emails with several pages of 'To's. Ignoring the To field Hmmm... You might set up a display filter that prints only the first N characters of a ^To:_ match for whatever N you like. Better yet, teach it about your $alternates (heh from another thread!) and then have it show only those addresses near yours or replace the whole thing with NOBODY_AT_THIS_ADDRESS! or some such. % altogether does not sound like a good idea. Agreed, though you could always see it again by looking at all of the headers if you wanted to... % % Thanks. HTH HAND % % -- % Bo Peng % Department of Statistics % Rice University % http://www.stat.rice.edu/~bpeng :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
Re: experience/questions : switching from Netscape to mutt
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:11:57AM -0600, David DeSimone scratched: Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so used to having a 3 way split in my mail program: folders on the left side, message list in the top right, and preview in the bottom right. With that setup, it's a breeze to drag and drop messages to any of my 138 folders. Mutt gives you more rewards, the more you teach it. With save-hooks, for instance, you can teach Mutt that when it sees messages with certain patterns to them, that they belong in a particular folder. When you've done that, you can read a message, press 's', and save it to the right place most of the time. You can always override the choice though. Of course, if you can teach Mutt to do that, then you can also teach procmail to put the mail in that folder to begin with. Yup. I really need to finish the web-based interface to procmail that I started a while ago... Wim
Re: un-alternates?
On 12:32 06 Apr 2002, David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have a number of addresses here at my sites and it's quite convenient | to simply put | | alternates=justpick | | in my muttrc (well, there are some old bigfoot ones and such, too, but | that's not the point). How large a number? Seriously, it it too painful to use: (fred|nerk|fred.nerk|davidtg(-.*)?)@justpick Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. Screen. Mind. Both are blank. - Haiku Error Messages http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/chal/1998/02/10chal2.html
Re: un-alternates?
Cameron, et al -- ...and then Cameron Simpson said... % % On 12:32 06 Apr 2002, David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % | I have a number of addresses here at my sites and it's quite convenient % | to simply put % | % | alternates=justpick % | % | in my muttrc (well, there are some old bigfoot ones and such, too, but % | that's not the point). % % How large a number? Not huge, but inconvenient. % Seriously, it it too painful to use: % % (fred|nerk|fred.nerk|davidtg(-.*)?)@justpick It's a bit painful; see my other reply to feztaa. I haven't yet had a chance to try dgc's regexp suggestion, which would do well in absence of an un-alternates command, but would love to hear of a tested fix so that I don't have to do as much work :-) % % Cheers, % -- % Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ % % Serious error. % All shortcuts have disappeared. % Screen. Mind. Both are blank. % - Haiku Error Messages http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/chal/1998/02/10chal2.html Thanks! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26841/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: un-alternates?
Cameron, et al -- ...and then Cameron Simpson said... % % On 16:21 06 Apr 2002, Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... % | Then somebody else had tried to use the exact regex in either perl or ... % | So try fooling with some sed regex's to get a working match, then use % | that in mutt. % % Sed's actually a poor choice - it supports type one (for want of a % better term) regexes, and substrings are demarked with \( and \) versus % full regular expressions which use ( and ). Right. % % Use perl or python or egrep of emacs or some of the more modern vi % clones etc. Agreed; a little perl one-liner was what I had in mind, since I vaguely recall that egrep is *not* the same as mutt. % -- % Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ Thanks! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26842/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: un-alternates?
On 19:00 06 Apr 2002, David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | % I just had an idea, though -- David, what are all the email addresses | % you are working with here? If the ones you want all start with a certain | | [zero] [6:54pm] ~ grep altern .mutt/muttrcc | set |alternates=(^davidtg(pager|work|-.*|)|^dtg-bid|^choice(|(|-)consulting)|^c-cubed|^clasco(|(|-)properties)|^my_login)@((cyber(dude|junkie)|iname|poboxes|audiophile|bigfoot).com|sector13.org)|^david@(bae.uga.edu|coronaps.com)|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|justpickone Ouch. I must admit I don't bother with my more obsolete or just-weird addresses, and just have: set alternates = [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] On the other hand, this has a much wider range: % cd ~/rc/mail % grep Personal cats* cats.cisra:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.cisra:!attnPersonal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.cisra:!attnPersonalsimpson cats.cisra:!attnPersonalcamerons cats.cisra:!attnPersonalcameronsimpson cats.cisra:!attnPersonalcameron cats.cisra:!attnPersonalcameron-depgp cats.cisra:!attnPersonaldepgp-cameron cats.cisra:!attnPersonalcs cats.cisra:!attnPersonalCameron.Simpson cats.cisra:!attnPersonal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.cisra:!attnPersonal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] cats.home:!attn Personal[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's from my cats2procmailrc rulesets. I just get almost all my email reference via the 4 addresses listed in my alternates, so these others are way down in the noise. Since I generally always to a group reply and and always eyeball the reply list so generated, manually trimming at need, this works well for me. | % For example, your wife's email starts with l. Lets say for the sake of | % argument that your daughter's emails start with b and j. Lets also say | | Actually, we have to worry about l,m,q,h,r (including the pets), and that | certainly means that root will have a problem. I don't consider root to be me, myself. Especially at work, root and postmaster go to a few of us, so I _don't_ trim it because I want replies to such messages to copy to the rest of the group so we all know which messages got replies and which are still pending. Or could I have to live with getting my own email then, but that's not too bad. | % that the email addresses you want in your $alternates are davidtg, root, | % admin, and foobar. You could use this: | % | % ^[darf].*@justpick | | Yeah, that's not too bad. I feel that for aesthetics' sake you should make yourself and alias called waldo or something. Couldn't resist. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ My computer always does exactly what I tell it to do but sometimes I have trouble finding out what it was that I told it to do. - Dick Wexelblat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: un-alternates?
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Alas! David T-G spake thus:
% Use perl or python or egrep of emacs or some of the more modern vi
% clones etc.
=20
Agreed; a little perl one-liner was what I had in mind, since I vaguely
recall that egrep is *not* the same as mutt.
Here you go:
while (STDIN)
{
if (m/the regex you are testing/)
{
print It matches!\n;
}
else
{
print It doesn't match!\n;
}
}
Then just run that script, and type a bunch of stuff into it's STDIN
(email addresses in this case), and it will tell you if they match or
not.
Was that so hard? ;)
--=20
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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