Re: Changing From header
Hi, * Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-14 05:44]: I've been looking around for a painless way to modify the From header based on which account I am using. Mutt doesn't know about your accounts. I do two things: - I let Mutt set the user based on the receiver: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' - I have a set of aliases for this, starting with me-. To enter/change an address, I enter: me-tab to see a menu of my addresses. Thorsten -- A: Top posters Q: What's the most annoying thing about email these days?
Re: http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html -- Request to change
Hi, * Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-14 13:36]: On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Lukas Ruf wrote: a few seconds ago, I wanted to re-subscribe under a different name on http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html A thing I did not like there was the way how you offer the different mailing lists: You offer them as radio-buttons instead of checkboxes. Why? Using mozilla 1.0, I was not unable to uncheck a radio-button without pressing Reset. This deleted also my email address. Would anyone of the administrators mind changing the radio-buttons into checkboxes? The idea was that you should only sub to the main list or the digest list (i.e. either/or) which is why radio buttons are used. You're the first to complain. I've had the same tiny problem. Thorsten -- A: Top posters Q: What's the most annoying thing about email these days?
Re: host-hook
Hi, * Hanspeter Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-13 00:08]: I would like to set the `hostname' variable depending on the hostname. For your own hostname, `hostname` should do, for the receiver's hostname, a sendhook should work. Thorsten -- If you don't claim your humanity, you will become a statistic. - Tyler Durden
Re: list of key bindings
Hi, * Susan Kleinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-11 03:44]: I must still be doing something wrong: I can't believe that every single person who uses mutt has to cut and paste all 3 or 4 help screens into an editor, then do a bunch of editing, just to find out which few keys are available to assign to macros. I usually just assign a key. If it was already taken then probably not by a function I will miss much. In any case, I can change it back easily. I also can't believe that users are really restricted to single keystrokes to identify macros. With qualifier, yes, I think that's true. Let's see what the others have to say. Here are a couple of specific ambiguities in the manual: Section 3.3 says that the key to which a function can be mapped may consist of: ... f1 f10 Some messages in the mutt-users archives implies that the above really means: f1...f10 I don't know that part of the manual, but I use several function keys. Section 3.2 in the manual says that one can define aliases using alias key address [, address, ...] but then says aliases can be used to map a short string to a full address. So is key to be understood as a short string in all cases? It is in this case. While entering an address, the usual single key commands don't work, you are in (line) editor land now. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.
Re: ISO cancel option in quit prompt from send-message
Hi, * Ken Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-08 21:35]: Apologies for subscribing just to ask a question, and maybe for the unclear subject. Too often I accidentally hit 'q' after editing a message, and am presented with the choice to discard the message or not. Usually I want to select a third option, cancel the quit operation altogether, but instead have to carefully _not_ discard the message, then hit 'm' to see a prompt to revisit pending messages. Press Ctrl-g instead. Thorsten -- This is so cool I've to go to the bathroom. - Calvin
Re: ISO cancel option in quit prompt from send-message
Hi, * Richard Cattien [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-08 22:56]: Control-G cancels most prompted operations. Well, why the heck this is not mentioned in the online help when pressing ``?'' I was looking for this too but was afraid of asking :-) My guess is that the online help is automatically constructed from the set of key bindings and Ctrl-g uses a different mechanism. this may be offtopic, but how do you deal with mails which have no CR after 7x letters, and you want to break it correctly? I know this is an editor issue ...maybe someone knows if theres a trick in vim to do smth like that? Depends. Sometimes I ignore them (thus they stay too long), sometimes I reformat them. The formatting should be simple with Vim, all you have to do is add the ''. Thorsten -- This is so cool I've to go to the bathroom. - Calvin
Re: how to go back to mailbox
Hi, * Richard Cattien [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-08 22:58]: how can i get back to my normal inbox, after changing to another mailbox. For example i press c and go to ~/Mail/foo ...but how to get back to /var/mail/user, without selecting it manually! I put my inbox in ~/Mail, but that shouldn't change anything. You already read about !, I only wanted to add that you should set some key bindings to save lots of time, similar to these: macro index F9change-folder=in\n 'Change to =in' macro pager F9change-folder=in\n 'Change to =in' Thorsten -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3
Hi, * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-05 14:55]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-04 06:10]: * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-04 00:42]: try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude. I wonder why this isn't the case with your list? attitude is not a technical item. Neither are bug details or top posts. Thorsten
Re: List Charter? - www.guckes.net/mutt/mail.php3
Hi, * Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-05 21:13]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-05-02 13:50]: Hi, * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-05 14:55]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-10-04 06:10]: * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-04 00:42]: try http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/mail.php3#etiquette These etiquettes usually contain a word or two about attitude. I wonder why this isn't the case with your list? attitude is not a technical item. Neither are bug details or top posts. But he contributes greatly. Do you? At least I try not to be an asshole. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.
Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview - microsoft.public.windowsxp.*
Hi, * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-04 00:34]: my point: this is *not* a _mutt_ problem. While finding the best newsgroup for his problem is? You are posting a 300-lines message just to get your pathetic point across? Thorsten -- It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire
Re: trash can
Hi, * Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-10-04 22:17]: I'm already doing this to implement a trash can # Macro to send deleted messages to the trash folder macro index d s=Trashenter macro pager d s=Trashenter However, this doesn't work on a Ctrl-D to delete a thread. How would one override delete-thread to delete to the trash? Probably tag-thread, move tagged if I had to. But I use the excellent trash patch from Cedric Duval: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#trash Thorsten -- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. - Thomas Jefferson
Re: Custom header as output of a script?
Hi, * Steve Wollkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-08-26 06:00]: Hi, I'm pretty new to mutt and I'm having trouble doing something that seems like it should be possible. I want to define a custom header that is dynamic, (as in, output froma script). I tried to use my_hdr in my .muttrc but it doesn't seem to observe the pipe. Is there any way to do this? my_hdr Keywords: `getRandomSig.rb` Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric
Re: About outgoing mail
Hi, * eim [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-14 15:14]: I have three mail adresses (profiles) so I want to filter my outgoing mail, written by one of the three profiles in an apropiate mbox folder for the given profile. Eg: If I write a mail with [EMAIL PROTECTED] is it possible to record this sent mail not in the default record mbox but in a different /sent/eim mbox ? And the same for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I change my address for each mailing list, so this may be a good start: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' You should be able to replace this with a hook on your own. Untested: send-hook '~f [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set record=/sent/eim' You should add default hooks if you want to keeo the default behavior for any setting. send-hook . 'set record=default' Thorsten -- Politik kann man in diesem Lande definieren als die Durchsetzung wirtschaftlicher Zwecke mit Hilfe der Gesetzgebung. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-13 15:56]: We have two cases: One is verified by GPG but not by Mutt, the other one is rejected by both GPG and Mutt. The second case is solved for me since those mails made the broken GMX mbox parser react. Oh well, so I have the same problem with a different reason. Shouldn't this discussion be off list? I'm not sure. As I said, Mutt seems to be involved more than other MUAs. I also don't know where else to look, as I don't have other systematic problems with my mails. Thorsten -- Sometimes it seems things go by too quickly. We are so busy watching out for what's just ahead of us that we don't take the time to enjoy where we are. - Calvin
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Moin, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-13 20:17]: * Thorsten Haude [02-07-13 15:24:58 +0200] wrote: We have two cases: One is verified by GPG but not by Mutt, Well, I've been asking in a de.ALL newsgroup for help on this issue. The solution (which works, whhooo! ;-) is: + set pgp_good_sign=^\\[GNUPG:\\] VALIDSIG + add '--status-fd=2' to the following commands: pgp_decode_command pgp_verify_command pgp_decrypt_command Doesn't work here. I get the additional status line, but still no verification. I'll subscribe with an address from another subscriber to see if there's any difference. Thorsten -- Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Isaac Asimov
Re: Mutt and mail list issue
Hi, * W. D. McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-15 06:20]: I am subscriped to a mail list that will net let me post using my config of Mutt 1.4i, which I suspect being a new user of mutt, might be a common problem or one easily overcome. Maybe I could tossed some ideas. They send back a notice saying they do not allow attachments. I am wondering how to change the config for the mail list in question ? This mail sure looks ok and contains no attachments. You may want to check yourself for the mails you send to the other mailing list: Just press v to view the attachments. If you want to check the raw mail, use the following macro: macro pager \el |less\n 'View plain message using less' Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson
Re: Fwd: Internet.Com Format Error
Hi, * W. D. McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-15 07:07]: I have attached the e-mail sent to me from the list saying no go on me sending via Mutt. Hmmm.. wonder whats up ? You may want to post one of the rejected mails. Thorsten -- Politik kann man in diesem Lande definieren als die Durchsetzung wirtschaftlicher Zwecke mit Hilfe der Gesetzgebung. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Phil Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-12 01:55]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 23:24 +0200]: A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX). IIRC, the last time a thread came up where people were having problems in David's emails not verifying, the problem was traced to an MTA that was improperly quoting/unquoting the leading dots in his attribution line. Could you point me to the thread or could you suggest some keywords to google for? Thorsten -- Sometimes it seems things go by too quickly. We are so busy watching out for what's just ahead of us that we don't take the time to enjoy where we are. - Calvin
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 23:41]: * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 23:25:41 +0200] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 22:29]: * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]: A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX). I checked some others with the same problem, also no GMX. To clear things up: GMX on the receiving and not on the sending side. I see. That's no problem here. I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are much harder to read than the others. Because of the quoting? ;-) His tips entirely dealed with GPG. I can look it up and tell you the message-id. Yup, the quoting. I read mails by color, and David's are uncolored but much more bumpy than the average tofu mail. You can easily add '%' to the list of known quoting character to make his mails colored, too. I know. What I don't know is why he is doing it in the first place, esp. because otherwise he doesn't seem to try to be a pita, quite the contrary. What I see is this: [-- PGP output follows (current time: Don 11 Jul 2002 23:06:04 CEST) --] gpg: Warnung: Sensible Daten könnten auf Platte ausgelagert werden. gpg: Unterschrift vom Son 09 Jun 2002 19:12:09 CEST, DSA Schlüssel ID 7B9F4700 gpg: FALSCHE Unterschrift von David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --] Same here (in English, of course). After repairing what GMX broke I don't get any of these anymore. What I still have is that GPG says it's okay while mutt claims it isn't. I can't see how this could happen (according to the documented GPG return codes). So I seem to have the GMX problem without GMX. Could you tell me what exactly I should be looking for in the mboxes? Could you send be your solution? What are the effects of the problem you still have? All I could see here is that the status column is not changed from 's' to 'S'. It would be really interesting to compare the raw message of one you can't verify to one somebody else can. What raw message? So nothing about verbose GPG output. With 'verbose' I mean what we get. S/MIME produces only a one-liner. What would be verbose the way you think of? We have two cases: One is verified by GPG but not by Mutt, the other one is rejected by both GPG and Mutt. In the first case, you can verify the signature yourself with the verbose output of GPG displayed by Mutt, in the second case you can't. Thanks for your time, Thorsten -- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. - Edmund Burke
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-12 21:03]: On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:29:47PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: | * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote: | Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the | broken MTA and what did you do to fix it? | | Someone else found out that GMX escapes 'from' at the | beginning of a line to 'from' which was the reason why I | could not verify a few mails. It's a short sed/python/perl | solution to remove it again. As I said, a few still remain. Actually, that MDA MUST do that mangling, or else your mbox will be corrupted. That's the problem with mbox. As a workaround, the PGP/MIME RFCs recommend that the sending MUA use quoted-printable, and escape all From_ lines before transmitting the message. So the sending MUA (Mutt) doesn't? I use maildir as my delivery format, so no message mangling is needed. I tried Maildir once, but it was abysmally slow here. Thorsten -- I say, if your knees aren't green by the end of the day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life. - Calvin
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 01:30]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-10 21:19]: For quite some time I have a problem veryfying PGP signatures. I get 'Falsche Unterschrift' (wrong signature) messages on these mails though others seem to be able to verify them. [...] I use GnuPG 1.0.6. :source contrib/gpg.rc does it help? Nope. feedback, please! Sure; let me know if you come up with other things that could clear this up. Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]: * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 21:28:53 +0200] wrote: * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 01:30]: :source contrib/gpg.rc does it help? Nope. That was one of the first things I did when I discovered those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad mails. A few which I can't verify remain. Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the broken MTA and what did you do to fix it? David provided some other tips which didn't help for me. I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are much harder to read than the others. So I just commented out the code producing the message in mutt (Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but it works for me. Errr.. That means you disabled verifying? Thorsten -- The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away for expedients. - Edmund Burke
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 22:29]: * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-07-11 21:33]: That was one of the first things I did when I discovered those problems. Now that I know that a MTA in my mailpath has a broken mbox parser I can verify a few of those bad mails. A few which I can't verify remain. Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the broken MTA and what did you do to fix it? Someone else found out that GMX escapes 'from' at the beginning of a line to 'from' which was the reason why I could not verify a few mails. It's a short sed/python/perl solution to remove it again. As I said, a few still remain. A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX). I checked some others with the same problem, also no GMX. David provided some other tips which didn't help for me. I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are much harder to read than the others. Because of the quoting? ;-) His tips entirely dealed with GPG. I can look it up and tell you the message-id. Yup, the quoting. I read mails by color, and David's are uncolored but much more bumpy than the average tofu mail. So I just commented out the code producing the message in mutt (Signature could NOT be verified). It's ugly but it works for me. Errr.. That means you disabled verifying? No. I just stoped mutt reporting about the verification. The GPG output I see is verbose enough, IMO. I think we are talking about two different things here. What I see is this: [-- PGP output follows (current time: Don 11 Jul 2002 23:06:04 CEST) --] gpg: Warnung: Sensible Daten könnten auf Platte ausgelagert werden. gpg: Unterschrift vom Son 09 Jun 2002 19:12:09 CEST, DSA Schlüssel ID 7B9F4700 gpg: FALSCHE Unterschrift von David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --] Warning: Sensitive data could be swapped to disk. Signature from (...) WRONG Signature from (...) So nothing about verbose GPG output. I also see another error, where Mutt displays an empty line between the (correct) GPG output and the marker: '[-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --]' and won't verify the mail. Is this the one you see? Thorsten -- Question Authority!
Wrong Signature
Hi, For quite some time I have a problem veryfying PGP signatures. I get 'Falsche Unterschrift' (wrong signature) messages on these mails though others seem to be able to verify them. I get these errors almost only with mails written with Mutt, and I cannot verify a single mail from certain senders. (In fact, I didn't read mutt-users for some time and the problem did show up only very seldom.) I would like to ask your for help in finding the reason for this error. I use GnuPG 1.0.6. tia, Thorsten -- Politik kann man in diesem Lande definieren als die Durchsetzung wirtschaftlicher Zwecke mit Hilfe der Gesetzgebung. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: OT: Making Mutt: log files
Hi, * John P Verel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-09 17:39]: Looking at Sven's Installation Examples, I see outputted logs showing the results of configure, make and make install. Am I correct to assuming that these are generated automatically? A config.log is done automatically, but to create make logs you have to redirect make's output. make 21 make.log Thorsten -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Re: GnuPG - verify signatures
Hi, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-09 23:00]: I've recently installed mutt and loving it. Now I'm taking a stab at getting my GnuPG key associated with mutt, verifying sigs, etc. I've got it working such that I can send my signature and send encrypted, but for some reason I can't verify the sigs of others. I have the same problem occasionally. Since most mails I cannot verify are from this list, I suspect a bug in Mutt. Thorsten -- Reality continues to ruin my life. - Calvin
Re: maildir vs mbox
Hi, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-08 23:23]: I don't want to start a religious war, but is there consensus opinion as to whether mbox or Maildir is better? I know mutt supports both automatically, so it's probably a bit of a mute question, but mutt also gives you the option of specifying which format new folders are set up in, so I thought I'd ask. I don't think there is a consensus. It depends on file system and your personal preferences. It's not too complicated to change your folder to try it yourself. Just make a backup, change $mbox_type and copy all messages in the new folders. Thorsten -- The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. - Noam Chomsky
Re: 3 quick questions
Hi, * darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-07 14:18]: I have been using this setup for over a year, and it works great: [Macro-based trash function] You should have a look at Cedric's patch. I used something similar to your setup and was annoyed every time =trash appeared in the folder history. Thorsten -- Guns don't protect freedom, people protect freedom.
Re: Mailfilter
Hi,
* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-07 08:02]:
* Thorsten Haude [02-06-07 06:14:30 +0200] wrote:
[ Perl::Mail::Audit ]
It stops by default, just like Procmail does, but you can
change that. I make backups at the beginning of my
ruleset:
$mail-accept({noexit = 1}, $backup);
Sounds good. If you don't mind, let me ask one more question
(since it's absolutely essential): what about reading mail
back from a pipe? For me, it's necessary to change stuff
within a pipe (Perl, mostly ;-) and then process it as usual.
I hope I don't have to pipe mail through my filter and than
pipe it into another instance of Mail::Audit...
There is only a pipe() that would leave Mail::Audit. Yes, you would
have to re-enter it yourself.
Shouldn't be too difficult to add this though.
Thorsten
--
There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its
production and distribution are handed over to criminals.
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 19:33]: I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot of work to put everything together. You're right here. I think I needed two weeks to get everything together. Ultimately that flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started is a steep learning curve, especially if you are relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command line. Just take your time. Everyone who wants to learn is welcome. It's certainly worth the effort. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can tell, I need to get procmail going too. I recommend Maildrop, the syntax is much easier. PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) Slightly, but the most visible thing is still here: It makes no sense to write the answer before the question. Either you refer to some text; then put your answer right behind it. Or you add something to a thread, but don't relate to any mail in particular; then just write what you want to write, Mutt will include references to the other mails. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:04]: Let's see, here... The perl module Mail::Audit is in there somewhere, too; I think it's a filter. Archives :-) This is a powerful filter if you know Perl. I wouldn't recommend it if you don't. Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. (Background: I used Procmail for a few years, then went looking for an alternative. I found Maildrop, liked it, but found Mail::Audit much more powerful, so I never used Maildrop.) Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson
Re: 3 quick questions
Moin, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 22:14]: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. They are just gone. There's help though: I use Cedric Duval's Trash Folder Patch for a long time without problems: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#trash 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? It's sync-mailbox, bound to $ by default. 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two addresses in the From header. First, I have my own addresses in Mutt's alias file. That way, I can quickly change the address I want to use. Second, I set $reverse_name to set the sender address of the new mail to the receiver address of the mail you want to answer. Third, I use send-hooks. I tried setting 'set alternates = the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. You should do that anyway, so that Mutt knows about your addresses. I'm getting the feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all that out yet. I use this hook for this list: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Thorsten -- begin 666 magritte.txt.vbs Ceci n'est pas un attachement. end
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 21:54]: Thorsten Haude said: * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. I never heard of these modules, neither has my manpage. Are you talking about the wide range of Procmail rules you can find in the wild? (Certainly more than Maildrop rules.) Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
Re: Mailfilter
Moin,
* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-07 05:18]:
This isn't exactly the right place to discuss, but I heavliy
rely on the cloning feature of procmail. The introduction to
Mail::Audit I've read doesn't say anything about this one
but Mail::Audit would stop after I take an action on a mail
(sure, I could use multiple Mail::Audit filters to deliver
to, but...). Is that possible?
It stops by default, just like Procmail does, but you can change that.
I make backups at the beginning of my ruleset:
$mail-accept({noexit = 1}, $backup);
Thorsten
--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Two questions
Hi, * Adam Fields [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-03 23:04]: 1) Is there a way to open part of a folder? Say I have a folder with 2000 messages, and I want to only look at, say, 190-200? You have to open the whole thing, but you can limit it to a subset afterwards. Use 'l'. 2) What's the right way to do batch refiling, particularly of mailing lists? Is there a way to specify a save-hook based on To: rather than From:? The save-hook has a default pattern, but you can also use another one. See $default_hook. Thorsten -- Der Leser hat's gut: Er kann sich seine Schriftsteller aussuchen. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Creating Folders/Mailboxes
Moin, * Michael Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-01 21:04]: I am trying Mutt and am having trouble figuring out how to create folders/mailboxes. I have found where you can create mailboxes by saving an e-mail and using a name that doesn't exist but how do I do a folder under other circumstances. Just touch(1) them or let your MDA (Maildrop, Procmail, whatever) do the work. Thorsten -- Golly, I'd hate to have a kid like me! - Calvin
Re: sort incoming mail to different folders
Hi, * Romano B. Fonbuena [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-05-24 17:26]: is it possible for mutt to have the ability of sorting incoming messages from remote POP3 servers into different folders, sort of like a builtin procmail for those who uses mutt's fetch-mail? No, you should use Fetchmail and Maildrop for this. Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: gpg return mangling display
Hi, * Aaron Goldblatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-05-20 22:20]: I've got gnupg set up to download keys and verify signatures automatically when it runs across an invalid key, and the system works okay. Well, my doesn't. However, when it does so, the display gets mangled and is difficult to read until some times has passed where most parts of the screen have been redrawn. I had the exact same problem, and it went away when I changed my pgp_getkeys_command to . Search for the threads named 'Display Error' and 'Display Error Redux' from March for the complete story. However, I just now realize that my GPG setup started to show serious errors at about this time (it reports a lot of wrong signatures). We talked about this here in the list for a while, but no solution came up, and some other things came up so I couldn't spend much time on it. Here is a diff; gpg.rc is the older file with working gpg and display errors. - - - Schnipp - - - yooden@eumel diff gpg.* 1c1 # ~/.mail/gpg.rc --- # ~/.mail/gpg.mutt 42c42 set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-verbose --quiet --batch -o - --verify %s %f --- set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose --batch -o - --verify %s %f 57c57 set pgp_encrypt_only_command=pgpewrap gpg --no-secmem-warning -v --batch -o - --encrypt --textmode --armor --always-trust -r %r -- %f --- set pgp_encrypt_only_command=pgpewrap gpg --no-secmem-warning -v --batch -o - --encrypt --textmode --armor -r %r -- %f 61c61 set pgp_encrypt_sign_command=pgpewrap gpg --no-secmem-warning --passphrase-fd 0 -v --batch -o - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust -r %r -- %f --- set pgp_encrypt_sign_command=pgpewrap gpg --no-secmem-warning --passphrase-fd 0 -v --batch -o - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor -r %r -- %f 79,80c79,80 set pgp_getkeys_command= #set pgp_getkeys_command=gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys %r --- #set pgp_getkeys_command= set pgp_getkeys_command=gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys %r - - - Schnapp - - - Does anybody sees something wrong? Thorsten -- Guns don't protect freedom, people protect freedom.
Re: Shell Command function ignores $SHELL
Hi, * Aleksey Tsalolikhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-05-13 19:40]: For example, I start mutt with SHELL=/usr/local/bin/zsh mutt and then run !ps -p $$ and it shows sh. Am I doing something wrong? I'd like to be able access my shell aliases from mutt via !. I don't know about the $SHELL part, but your lack of aliases may be the result of the lack of interactive shell, ie. maybe Mutt starts your shell as a non-interactive shell and your aliases are only read for interactives. Note also that there is a bug in Mutt 1.5.x which may make your shelling difficult. Thorsten -- As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. - Dick Cavett
Re: Tidbits.
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-05-05 20:09]: 1) How do I change to mailbox X with one keypress? I have this in my mutt.rc: macro index F9change-folder=in\n 'Change to =in' Your other problems should also be done with macros. Thorsten -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Solved: Cannot Forget GPG
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-13 16:14]: if a mail is marked as sign or encrypt (through one of pgp_replyencrypt, pgp_replysign, pgp_replysignencrypted), I cannot remove the mark with (f)orget, I just get a beep. All other option don't get beeps, but don't change anything either. I have this problem with all english versions of Mutt. The menu obviously accepts german keys. Thorsten -- Im übrigen gilt ja hier derjenige, der auf den Schmutz hinweist, für viel gefährlicher als der, der den Schmutz macht. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: view other msgs while composing
Hi, * V K [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-05-02 23:06]: Is there a way to read other emails of the same folder while composing one? Yes, fire up a second Mutt. (Other than cranking up a second mutt.) Oops. Thorsten -- Once upon the time, the music industry had something to offer to us - they distributed the music we would have never heard without them. Now, they need laws that prevent us to do ourself what they do for money.
Re: sent mails
Hi, * Peter Hennicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-24 23:08]: how can I tell mutt to keep the sent mails? Set the $record variable in your mutt.rc. Thorsten -- In dem Augenblick, wo wir anfangen unsere Freiheitsrechte einzuschränken, besorgen wir das Geschäft der Terroristen. - Günter Grass
Re: threading spec
Hi, * JimO [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-23 21:29]: I often need to hack these headers to organize threads where correspondents are careless about replying, but their content is important enough to keep their mail; I'd like to know what spec I should be working to as I hack. Obviously, I can get a good idea of these headers by simply looking at some of them, but a real spec is nicer. You should have alook at Cedric Duval's Editing threads patch. Works like charm. http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/#threads Thorsten -- I was amazed today to find out how much Windows can actually be used for useful things. - Donald E. Knuth
Re: Strange Error while starting Editor
Hi, * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-21 05:16]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-14 21:13]: Since I use Mutt 1.5.0, NEdit occasionally displays a number of error dialogs which say: Can't open macro file /etc/profile:ulimit:15: value exceeds hard limit /home/yooden/.NEdit/macros/macro1.nm This might be interesting: The error string is build with an sprintf(): Can't open macro file %s, fileName So NEdit obviosly thinks this is a file name: /etc/profile:ulimit:15: value exceeds hard limit /home/yooden/.NEdit/macros/macro1.nm http://www.nedit.org/community/mailing.shtml news:comp.editors How very clever of you! Indeed, I asked a similar question in the NEdit Mailing list, and am now quite sure that NEdit is only displaying the error that Mutt or something in its environment is causing. So, if you want to help, tell me how to proceed to find the error, be it in my mutt.rc or in Mutt's code. Else, go playing elsewhere. Thorsten -- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. - Thomas Jefferson
Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)
Hi, * David Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-17 05:38]: On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:51:56PM +0200, Thorsten Haude wrote: I have something similar: Mail/in Mail/ML/Mutt Mail/ML/NEdit Mail/ML/Debian/user Mail/ML/Debian/misc etc. Mutt's default for saving messages seems to revolve around the From address (e.g. mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants to save to ~/Mail/foo). Does anyone have some good ideas about how to manage their mailboxes? What happens when you have a thread involving multiple people? If you use the above example, the thread would be destroyed as you save to different folders. Is there a way to track a thread across different folders (maybe by message ids)? You got something wrong. I get most mails from mailing lists (see /ML/ above) and sort them after 'To:' or 'Cc:'. So threads remain untouched. If you have a thread with some friends, you can send you a copy of every mail and keep the thread in your inbox. Thorsten -- Question Authority!
Re: PGP signature verification
Moin, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-16 15:30]: Maybe, but maybe not. I don't think we've pinned it down to a not-mutt problem. Frankly I don't know what the heck is going on. It's not Fetchmail. I use 5.9.11 now, which seems to be the latest version, but I cannot verify David's mail. Personally I hope it doesn't leave mutt-users unless someone (I volunteer) sets up a temporary mutt-and-gpg-verification-problems@ list to get to the bottom of it and keep me in the loop. I certainly want to get it resolved. This might be a good idea. Thorsten -- It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire msg27238/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-16 15:30]: Maybe, but maybe not. I don't think we've pinned it down to a not-mutt problem. Frankly I don't know what the heck is going on. I couldn't verify *any* of the mails I got from you today. Thorsten -- Nichts ist schwerer und erfordert mehr Charakter, als sich in offenem Gegensatz zu seiner Zeit zu befinden und zu sagen: Nein! - Kurt Tucholsky msg27241/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: macro problem
* Eduardo Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-16 17:20]: # Show documentation when pressing F1 macro generic f1 !less /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt\n Show Mutt documentation ^ but when i hit F1, the macro don't work and mutt says 'Key is not ^ I use F1 and that works. Thorsten -- There's no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people. - User Friendly msg27251/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: S/MIME
Hi, * Mike Schiraldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 15:55]: That doesn't sound as if you were a friend of these. Since I saw a few using S/MIME in this list, what might have been their reason? Is S/MIME better established with non-free software? We had a discussion in February about this. Check out Jeremy's excellent posts: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-usersm=101258931506891w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-usersm=101260020607114w=2 and, in the interest of equal time, Will's counterpoint: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-usersm=101260114609607w=2 Thanks, that was interesting! Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson msg27199/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 02:15]: Can you quote the headers from one you can't verify? I want to see what path it's taking to get to you, perhaps there's a broken MTA involved. Two mails from David, I cannot verify the first, I can verify the second. I rot13'ed the leading Froms, just to be sure. - - - Schnipp - - - Sebz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Apr 14 17:00:27 2002 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eumel.yoo.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.2 (i386)) with ESMTP id 00DD81262F for yooden@localhost; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:58:17 +0200 Received: from pop.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.142] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.8.0) for yooden@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [194.70.126.10] (helo=ns.gbnet.net) by mxng01.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16wlSI-0007Sx-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:58:14 +0200 Received: (qmail 6189 invoked by uid 610); 14 Apr 2002 14:55:48 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 6179 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 14:55:43 - Received: from unknown (HELO zero.sector13.org) (199.105.121.241) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 14:55:43 - Received: (qmail 29149 invoked by uid 2003); 14 Apr 2002 14:54:58 - Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:54:58 -0500 From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] +20020413110926.A2737@Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] +[EMAIL PROTECTED] +[EMAIL PROTECTED] +[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature; boundary=TD8GDToEDw0WLGOL Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1718 Lines: 62 - - - Schnapp - - - - - - Schnipp - - - Sebz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 11 17:55:11 2002 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eumel.yoo.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.2 (i386)) with ESMTP id E06F41262C for yooden@localhost; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:49:18 +0200 Received: from pop.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.141] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.8.0) for yooden@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [194.70.126.10] (helo=ns.gbnet.net) by mxng03.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16vgdn-00083b-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:37:39 +0200 Received: (qmail 17735 invoked by uid 610); 11 Apr 2002 15:35:54 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 17712 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 15:35:46 - Received: from unknown (HELO zero.sector13.org) (199.105.121.241) by ns.gbnet.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 15:35:46 - Received: (qmail 22449 invoked by uid 2003); 11 Apr 2002 15:35:46 - Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:35:46 -0500 From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jun Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Don't reply to me does not work? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature; boundary=oOINc+Z9LTvKzseX Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1235 Lines: 63 - - - Schnapp - - - Thorsten -- Every person shall have the right freely to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. - Grundgesetz, Article 5, Sec. 1 msg27200/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 20:19]: I cannot verify the first And I cannot verify this one. Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1 msg27201/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 22:01]: begin Thorsten Haude quotation: Received: from pop.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.142] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.8.0) for yooden@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:00:25 +0200 (CEST) That's a really old fetchmail, with a lot of known bugs, including problems with parsing usernames with spaces in them. Try upgrading it, and see if the problem persists. Done. Thanks so far. Thorsten -- The fact that windows is one of the most popular ways to operate a computer means that evolution has made a general fuckup and our race is doomed. msg27206/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 05:41]: I cannot verify your signature. Is it you or is it me? Thorsten -- In dem Augenblick, wo wir anfangen unsere Freiheitsrechte einzuschränken, besorgen wird das Geschäft der Terroristen. - Günter Grass msg27137/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 12:17]: * Thorsten Haude [04/14/02 11:28:59 CEST] wrote: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 05:41]: I cannot verify your signature. Is it you or is it me? Must be you. Verified here. I can verify all other signatures, including yours. Where can be the problem? Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin msg27140/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 12:17]: * Thorsten Haude [04/14/02 11:28:59 CEST] wrote: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 05:41]: I cannot verify your signature. Is it you or is it me? Must be you. Verified here. I cannot verify the following IDs (only checked April): Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thorsten -- Denn ein Tyrann ist nicht, wenn die Masse nicht geduldig stillhält. - Kurt Tucholsky msg27141/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem
Moin, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 16:53]: I cannot verify this one. Thorsten -- Denn ein Tyrann ist nicht, wenn die Masse nicht geduldig stillhält. - Kurt Tucholsky msg27150/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification (was: Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?: Formail problem)
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 15:13]: * Thorsten Haude [04/14/02 13:12:18 CEST] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 12:17]: * Thorsten Haude [04/14/02 11:28:59 CEST] wrote: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 05:41]: I cannot verify your signature. Is it you or is it me? Must be you. Verified here. I cannot verify the following IDs (only checked April): Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, checked them and both verify. What does your $pgp_verify_command look like? gpg --no-verbose --quiet --batch -o - --verify %s %f As I said, it works on all messages except four of Davids. I have some other random problems (which I reported here) since I switched to 1.5.0, so maybe that's the reason? Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1 msg27151/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
List-hooks don't work
Hi, I use 'list-hooks' like this: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Since I switched to 1.5.0, these things don't fire anymore. - - - Schnipp - - - Mutt 1.5.0i (2002-01-22) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins und andere. Mutt übernimmt KEINERLEI GEWÄHRLEISTUNG. Starten Sie `mutt -vv', um weitere Details darüber zu erfahren. Mutt ist freie Software. Sie können es unter bestimmten Bedingungen weitergeben; starten Sie `mutt -vv' für weitere Details. System: Linux 2.4.4-4GB (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Einstellungen bei der Compilierung: -DOMAIN -DEBUG -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP +USE_IMAP -IMAP_EDIT_THREADS -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP +HAVE_SMIME -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/spool/mail/ PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER Um die Entwickler zu kontaktieren, schicken Sie bitte eine Nachricht (in englisch) an [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Um einen Bug zu melden, verwenden Sie bitte das Programm flea(1). patch-1.5.0.cd.edit_threads.9.2-wy patch-1.5.0.cd.trash_folder.1-wy - - - Schnapp - - - Thorsten -- The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable. - Grundgesetz, Article 10, Sec. 1
Strange Error while starting Editor
Hi, Since I started using 1.5.0, I occasionally get a weird error while starting my editor. I use NEdit via shell script: nedit -lm Mail -do 'insertSalutation()' -import ~/.mail/mudit.rc $ Because NEdit is somewhat less well known than vi, I'll explain a bit: The first option (-lm) invokes NEdit with the language mode 'Mail', the second option (-do) executes a macro, the last option (-import) sets some options like wrap. NEdit always loads a macro file on startup, which for the language mode 'Mail' loads four further macro files. Since I use Mutt 1.5.0, NEdit occasionally displays a number of error dialogs which say: Can't open macro file /etc/profile:ulimit:15: value exceeds hard limit /home/yooden/.NEdit/macros/macro1.nm and the same for the other three macro files. I don't get an error for the autoload file. (This is followed by a dialog which tells me that the macro invoked in the command line could not be executed. This is not surprising since it is loaded from one of macro[1-4].nm. I don't have *any* macro from one of these files available.) /etc/profile:15 is: ulimit -c 2 I have only one core from April in my $HOME hierarchy and this is a directory where I tried a complicated NEdit patch, so I doubt that it is related. Anyway, neither NEdit nor Mutt cores. The NEdit version I use is a patched cvs HEAD from March 11, and I have not seen this error before I started using Mutt 1.5.0 about 7-10 days ago. (See other mail on details about Mutt's build options.) Thorsten -- When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people; the giant triplets of racism, militarism, and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered. - Martin Luther King
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 22:46]: * Thorsten Haude [04/14/02 21:41:00 CEST] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 15:13]: Hmm, checked them and both verify. What does your $pgp_verify_command look like? gpg --no-verbose --quiet --batch -o - --verify %s %f Except '--quiet' the same here. I doubt that this is the reason. As I said, it works on all messages except four of Davids. David mentioned mbox. Maybe the mailbox format has something to do with it? I don't know. I couldn't find anything. Remember also that I have only problems with David's mail. He's industrious, so it may be luck. I have some other random problems (which I reported here) since I switched to 1.5.0, so maybe that's the reason? Do you still have an older version of mutt you can view the affected mails with? Didn't David mention he can't verify his own, too? I have the same error with an 'old' version: - - - Schnipp - - - Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.4-4GB (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Einstellungen bei der Compilierung: -DOMAIN -DEBUG -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP -USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID -HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER Um die Entwickler zu kontaktieren, schicken Sie bitte eine Nachricht (in englisch) an [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Um einen Bug zu melden, verwenden Sie bitte das Programm flea(1). - - - Schnapp - - - Still, a *lot* got broken when I switched to 1.5.0. Thorsten -- Wasn't the storming of the Bastille an act of terrorism? Probably. Now it's a holiday. - umarsyed msg27155/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Strange Error while starting Editor
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 22:07]: Since I use Mutt 1.5.0, NEdit occasionally displays a number of error dialogs which say: Can't open macro file /etc/profile:ulimit:15: value exceeds hard limit /home/yooden/.NEdit/macros/macro1.nm This might be interesting: The error string is build with an sprintf(): Can't open macro file %s, fileName So NEdit obviosly thinks this is a file name: /etc/profile:ulimit:15: value exceeds hard limit /home/yooden/.NEdit/macros/macro1.nm Thorsten -- Don't let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. - Isaac Asimov
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 23:06]: I cannot verify this one. I can still verify my other mails. Thorsten -- I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit. - Mel Brooks msg27158/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: S/MIME
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 22:56]: * Thorsten Haude [04/13/02 10:41:21 CEST] wrote: I want to get a better picture about S/MIME, but can't find an introduction in the net. Could one of you point me to a S/MIME introduction or tutorial that is written for the user? The Linux Security HowTo just points to one of Netscapes pages: http://home.netscape.com/assist/security/smime/overview.html 404 ...but maybe better have a look at: http://www.imc.org/smime-pgpmime.html Yes, that gives a nice introduction and good pointers to technical documents (which I may need if I ever get around to get my filter really aware of the different formats). I would still like to read something about the key infrastructure. Example: If I get a mail signed with PGP/GPG, I know that I need a key, where to get that key, how to authenticate the key, etc. Most important, I know how to make and distribute my own key. I don't know these things for S/MIME. Thorsten -- You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it. - Malcolm X msg27160/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 23:35]: Remember also that I have only problems with David's mail. He's industrious, so it may be luck. Hmm, so let's wait if David (or someone else) has some pointers or ideas. David is not the culprit, see my other mail. I can't verify with 1.3.28 _and_ 1.5.0: + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two messages you former mentioned verify here. You spoke about 4 mails including these two? I cannot verify (April only): - All S/MIME mails for I'm sure entirely different reasons - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] because I just can't. Sample output: - - - Schnipp - - - [-- PGP output follows (current time: Mon 15 Apr 2002 00:38:24 CEST) --] gpg: Warnung: Sensible Daten könnten auf Platte ausgelagert werden. gpg: Unterschrift vom Son 14 Apr 2002 23:06:03 CEST, DSA Schlüssel ID 4065A1DA gpg: FALSCHE Unterschrift von Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-- Ende der PGP-Ausgabe --] - - - Schnapp - - - These seem to be the conspicuous ones. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] because I can't find a key. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] because the last line of GPG's output is empty. GPG oks these, Mutt doesn't. Thorsten -- Die Zensur ist das lebendige Geständnis der Großen, daß sie nur verdummte Sklaven aber keine freien Völker regieren können. - Johann Nepomuk Nestroy msg27165/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 00:41]: I cannot verify (April only): With neither 1.5.0 nor 1.3.27 (except for S/MIME of course). Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky msg27166/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signature verification
Hi, * Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-15 00:38]: Add this one to the list I just can't verify. I cannot find any suspicious dots here. Thorsten -- Death to all fanatics! msg27167/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: S/MIME
Hi, * Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-14 23:44]: s/mime sigs usually include the key itself along with the signature (which is why s/mime signed mails are so rediculously large). That doesn't sound as if you were a friend of these. Since I saw a few using S/MIME in this list, what might have been their reason? Is S/MIME better established with non-free software? there is a sort of PKI system for it, which you can read about on the thawte site, but in any event, the whole thing is more analagous to an SSL website certificate than to PGP / GnuPG. Yes, this Thawte site seems to have some useful information (and some really funny German), so that may be all I need. Thanks! Thorsten -- You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it. - Malcolm X
S/MIME
Hi, I want to get a better picture about S/MIME, but can't find an introduction in the net. Could one of you point me to a S/MIME introduction or tutorial that is written for the user? Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Cannot Forget GPG
Hi, if a mail is marked as sign or encrypt (through one of pgp_replyencrypt, pgp_replysign, pgp_replysignencrypted), I cannot remove the mark with (f)orget, I just get a beep. All other option don't get beeps, but don't change anything either. I have this problem with all english versions of Mutt. A related question: How can I get german texts back? I use 1.5.0. tia, Thorsten -- Question Authority!
Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)
Hi, * Kai Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-11 14:32]: I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a structure like that: Mail/list/mutt-users Mail/list/debian-users Mail/mail/inbox Mail/mail/private I have something similar: Mail/in Mail/ML/Mutt Mail/ML/NEdit Mail/ML/Debian/user Mail/ML/Debian/misc etc. This also makes it easy to filter mailing lists with Mail::Audit. But Mutt seems to have problems recognizing new mails in these folders if I specify mailboxes like that: mailboxes `find Mail -type f` What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings? I use mailboxes `find ~/Mail -type f -print | grep -Ev '(admin|postponed|archiv)' | xargs` Thorsten -- Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows for mission-critical applications.
Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)
Hi, * darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-11 16:03]: If the problem is the newlines, as someone suggested, give this a try: mailboxes `echo \`find ~/Mail -type f -print\`` which gives me a full list with no newlines. This can also be done with xargs(1), see my other mail in this thread. Thorsten -- Nichts ist schwerer und erfordert mehr Charakter, als sich in offenem Gegensatz zu seiner Zeit zu befinden und zu sagen: Nein! - Kurt Tucholsky
Display Error Redux
Hi, I should have done this earlier, but I finally went through my mutt.rc line by line to see why I have display problems. It boils down to these two lines: - - - Schnipp - - - set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-verbose --quiet --batch -o - --verify %s %f set pgp_getkeys_command=gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose --batch --with-colons --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys %r - - - Schnapp - - - With only the first line, all works well; with both lines, the display is corrupted whenever Mutt verifies a signature, even with keys I already have in my keychain. I neither see anything wrong with the second line, nor do I understand why $pgp_getkeys_command is called for verifying a signature. Do you have any ideas? tia, Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson
Re: Display Error Redux
Hi, * Michael Tatge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-30 14:11]: I just have a keyserver in my options file and pgp_getkeys_command= gpg will fetch any key not in your keyring from the keyserver. No need to specify pgp_getkeys_command. Works like charm. Works like a charm, right. Thank you very much! Thorsten -- Death to all fanatics!
Display Error
Hi, I have asked about this a few weeks ago, but nothing changed, so I try it again. I have a display error: After GPG is called to check a signature, Mutt's terminal gets corrupted. I can continue working by refreshing the display, but it's really annoying. I use Mutt 1.3.24i (but also tried 1.3.27i), Eterm 0.9, ncurses 5.2, XFree86 4.0.3, GnuPG 1.0.6. I didn't see this with whatever version of Mutt I used before 1.3.24i (1.3.16i?). I couldn't find anything in the archives. Can somebody help? Thorsten -- [ ] War [x] Peace
Re: Display Error
Hi, * Phil Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-26 23:04]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-26 21:46 +0100]: After GPG is called to check a signature, Mutt's terminal gets corrupted. I can continue working by refreshing the display, but it's really annoying. What is pgp_verify_command set to? My guess is that you haven't turned off all of GPG's output and it's what's messing up the screen. I had set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose --batch -o - --verify %s %f but yours don't work either. What I don't understand. Why is anything written with --status-fd=2? This message is recognizable: gpg: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dies ist keine gültige Schlüssel-ID (gpg: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is no valid key ID) Thorsten -- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. - Edmund Burke
Re: mailbox question
Moin,
* Matthias Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-25 22:26]:
I'm subscribed to several mailing lists which are sent
to 2 mail accounts. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the
mails that are then stored in /var/spool/mail/matthias.
I'd like mutt to check whether a mail came from a mailing
list and display only those mail at ones that belong to
the same mailing list. I'd then want to switch between
the list with some key command.
When I end my mutt session I'd want mutt to store the
read mails in seperate mail boxes, each for every mailing
list I'm subscribed.
Those remaining mails that don't belong to a mailing list should be
moved to a general list.
Is that possible with mutt and if yes how can I do this???
OK, what I and some others do is we use a filter to sort incoming
mails into different mailboxes. Mutt can then see which mailboxes have
new mails an display them right away.
If you want to try that system, have a look at Maildrop, which is a
mailfilter with quite powerful features and an easy rule language.
I guess you can also build the exact same thing you describe above.
Start by writing Mutt macros to limit the mails to that of the single
lists ('limit~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]'), then write another macro
which moves the mail and which I have no idea how to do right now.
Then I have a question regarding address books - is there support
for something alike in mutt??
I heard something about that, but it may have been a patch. Did you
look for it in the manual?
At the very least, you can do LDAP queries.
Thorsten
--
Intolerant people should be shot.
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Moin, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 20:14]: The same reasons for doing so in private mail apply to lists. The same reasons for not doing so in lists apply to private mail. There are several things different between broadcasts and point-to-point connection, as you sure know. Thorsten -- The best leaders are those barely known to their followers; after them, those they love; after them, those they fear; after them, those they despise. - Lao Tzu
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Hi, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 20:34]: begin quoting what Thorsten Haude said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 08:26:53PM +0100: There are several things different between broadcasts and point-to-point connection, as you sure know. Yes. For instance, there are far more people who would be impacted by a forgery. There are also far more people who would benefit from exposure to cryptographic signatures. Also, there's a longer distribution channel, and thus more opportunities for forgery. So, you're right; there's MORE reason to sign in lists than in private mail. Thanks for the correction. I take it from this that you are in fact not interested in a discussion, but in a flame war. Have fun! Thorsten -- As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. - Dick Cavett
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Hi, * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 22:02]: Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:42:09PM -0700: Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? Or list all of the obnoxious ones, and then set up procmail to strip them out; that will work as a general solution in case somebody else uses Incredimail. Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Maybe you could patch something together using formail. Thorsten -- Unterschätze nie die Macht dummer Leute, die einer Meinung sind. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Moin, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 00:03]: begin quoting what Will Yardley said on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 02:32:41PM -0800: and hopefully this won't set off a long discussion (yet again), but many believe that it's generally silly (and unnecessary) to sign posts to a public mailing list most of the time. Many believe the Earth is flat, that aliens abduct farmers and dissect cows, and that when the rich get richer the poor get poorer. I assume no responsibility for correcting their lack of understanding, nor for saving their delicate sensibilities. That was a really sensible response. I'm glad you did your best to prevent the aforementioned long discussion. If you object to my signatures, procmail is easily capable of routing all of my emails to /dev/null. I don't use Procmail. What now? Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Hi, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 00:59]: begin quoting what Jussi Ekholm said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:52:56AM +0200: ARGH! Of course I forgot to sign it. :-/ As I said, I am very, very sorry for all the inconvenience and waste of bandwith from my behalf. I hope I doesn't end up in everyone's killfile... trying to learn something new, which is totally unknown to you is hard - well, I guess I'll get there sometime. The signature appears properly formed. However, your key isn't on the public keyservers, so we can't really check the signature. Let's not forget that your key is worthless unless signed by somebody we know already. Thorsten -- Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications.
Re: 'clicking links'
Hi, * Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-02-20 15:14]: I regularly use urlview and lynx with mutt but am frustrated because I've not been able to work out how to avoid having to manually type in the URL when I want to view something in a graphical browser. Hummph! I use NS6 for my crimes if that is of any use. I don't use NS6, so I don't know if it is of any use, but with Konqueror and Mozilla, you can simply select the URL in Mutt and middle-click it somewhere in the browser window. Thorsten -- If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough.
Re: SPAM-filter with mutt
Hi, * Jobst Landgrebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-02-18 14:10]: I'm looking for a SPAMfilter that I could combine with mutt. Does anyone have a good suggestion which filter is easy to setup together with mutt and how this must be done? Is there a filter one can call from the .muttrc-file? You should have a look at Maildrop, which is powerful while using a very straightforward syntax. http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/ Filters are not called from Mutt though. They usually act before Mutt touches the mail. See http://www.vranx.de/mail/mail.html Thorsten -- The only reason to be alive is to enjoy it.
Re: SPAM-filter with mutt
Hi, * Jobst Landgrebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-02-18 14:10]: I'm looking for a SPAMfilter that I could combine with mutt. Does anyone have a good suggestion which filter is easy to setup together with mutt and how this must be done? Is there a filter one can call from the .muttrc-file? Sorry for misreading your mail. Yes, Maildrop is a general purpose Mailfilter, which could be used to reduce spam if you spend the work. Some special program like Spamassassin is probably what you need. Thorsten -- Guns don't protect freedom, people protect freedom.
Display Errors
Hi, I have a display error: After GPG is called to check a signature, Mutt's terminal gets corrupted. I can continue working by moving the cursor line over the screwed parts to redisplay them, but it's really not nice. I use Mutt 1.3.24i (but also tried 1.3.27i), Eterm 0.9, ncurses 5.2, XFree86 4.0.3, GnuPG 1.0.6. I didn't see this with whatever version of Mutt I used before 1.3.24i (1.3.16i?). I couldn't find anything in the archives. Can somebody help? Thorsten -- Try not to be a man of success but rather of value. - Albert Einstein
Re: News reader that's good with mutt?
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-06 12:55]: You should try replying in context instead of at the bottom; it's even better ;-) Yeah, and we like totally unlike anything that would made mails hard to read for no good reasons. Thorsten -- Question Authority!
Re: News reader that's good with mutt?
Moin, * Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-06 14:26]: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020106 14:22]: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-06 12:55]: You should try replying in context instead of at the bottom; it's even better ;-) Yeah, and we like totally unlike anything that would made mails hard to read for no good reasons. So does that mean you are for 'replying in context' or against? I couldn't understand your sentence. Sorry to confuse you, I was only referring to an old quarrel with David. IMHO you should make reasonable bits out of the mail you answer and write your answer in each context. Thorsten -- There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals.
Re: News reader that's good with mutt?
Moin, * Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-06 15:45]: Problem is that I find that format more confusing and prefer to only quote if the point I refer to _really_ needs it. (like it's a really long mail) Let's take this example: - - - Schnipp - - - There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals. Problem is that I find that format more confusing and prefer to only quote if the point I refer to _really_ needs it. (like it's a really long mail) - - - Schnapp - - - Huh? What about this: - - - Schnipp - - - IMHO you should make reasonable bits out of the mail you answer and write your answer in each context. Problem is that I find that format more confusing and prefer to only quote if the point I refer to _really_ needs it. (like it's a really long mail) - - - Schnapp - - - I like the second more. Thorsten -- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. - Thomas Jefferson
Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :)
Moin, * Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-04 01:54]: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:29:51PM +0100, Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Procmail is indeed a close relative to Sendmail, it's rc file syntax | is bloody. I propose Mail::Audit if you know Perl, Maildrop otherwise. Procmail is pretty verbose, but you don't have to deal with it directly. I use this: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cats2procmailrc/ to read list of simple one line rules for filing and write a procmailrc from that. Maintenance is: hack rules, rerun cats2procmailrc. Well, Maildrop's syntax is: Hack rules. I do also think its language is simpler than yours: if (/pattern/) to Mailbox No further explanation needed. But anyway, your tool is the ultimate proof that Procmail sucks. The notion that I should use a meta language to get a grip on it is a joke. Sorry for the harsh words, but Procmail is my personal proof that I don't use technologies for no better reason than that they are popular or complex. If I for some reason would absolutely have to use Procmail, I would use c2p, but I really don't see a reason to continue using a standard tool while at least two contenders are more usable and/or more powerful. That is the reason I quit Windows. Thorsten -- Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - Georges Santayana
Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :)
Hi, * Ken Wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-04 09:58]: I suggest that you stick with procmail, like mutt it's worth the initial learning curve. So? What offers Procmail (once learned) that Maildrop doesn't? Aside from the cats2procmailrc tool there's also plenty of procmail based recipes and tools floating around the net. Do a google search for Procmail + spam and take your pick. Yes, Procmail's Standard Library is certainly unmatched by other filters. Thorsten -- Freedom to be an idiot is part of freedom in general.
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * Michael Tatge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-03 09:35]: Thorsten Haude muttered: I have this line in my mutt.rc send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is made for. That's because $from is changed just at the time to send the mail out. And that is what send-hook is all about isn't it? Well, it could mean /before/ sending it or /after/ sending it. I even wonder why I never noticed one of the send-hooks hooking. Must be working perfectly. $from had the old value when you composed it. The next mail you send honers the new $from setting. Whatever, I see now where the problem is and will switch to my_hdrs. Thanks! Thorsten -- Nobody will ever need more than 640 kB RAM. -- Bill Gates, 1983 Windows XP requires 64 MB RAM. -- Bill Gates, 2001 Nobody will ever need Windows XP. -- logical conclusion
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-03 11:25]: % Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. % Maybe, but before I try that, I would like to hear an explanation why % the $from solution doesn't work. I trust that Michael's answer suffices. I'm not entirely sure I believe it, since I should think that a my_hdr command would have the same precedence as a set command but he argues that they're changed at different times, but it's farther than I've gone into the matter :-) Wait... what was I thinking. You're right, I don't even touch the send-hook part, I only change the command. Well done, David, now I'm back to step one, $from-wise. Why is 'set from=' different from 'my_hdr From: '? Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Moin, * David Champion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-03 17:29]: - $from is used as the default from address, if defined. Otherwise, the local user name and (if the user wishes so) the local domain are used. [...] - Now, send-hooks are evaluated. Thanks, that is the answer, of course. I can now sleep better. Thanks, all of you! Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky
Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar lines for other mailing lists: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is made for. For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) will have my local user@hostname (despite the send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. So what is the thing I don't understand here? I don't ususally edit-header. Thorsten -- Freedom to be an idiot is part of freedom in general.
Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar lines for other mailing lists: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' However, this hook seems to catch too late, i.e. I see the result of every hook of this kind only in the mail *after* the one the hook is made for. For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) will have my local user@hostname (despite the send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. So what is the thing I don't understand here? I don't ususally edit-header. Thorsten -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-02 16:16]: % I have set up my mailing lists to different addresses. To make it % easier to write mails, I have this line in my mutt.rc, and similar % lines for other mailing lists: % send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Makes sense. Yes, especially considering that I forgot to change it even in this very mail the first time. % For example, this mail (the first I write with this instance of Mutt) % will have my local user@hostname (despite the % send-hook . 'set [EMAIL PROTECTED]' % in my mutt.rc), the next mail will have [EMAIL PROTECTED] preset. A ha! Uh? Something wrong here? Perhaps the difference is that I use my_hdr instead of $from. Maybe, but before I try that, I would like to hear an explanation why the $from solution doesn't work. send-hook . unmy_hdr From: send-hook . my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T-G) It might, I suppose, also be the leading unmy_hdr call... That shouldn't really change things. Do you see a difference if you leave it out? Thorsten -- Omnis enim res, quae quando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. - Aurelius Augustinus
Re: To log the time I spend in reading/writing a mail
Hi, * Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-01-02 16:22]: I've just got used to the built-in pager and thought their combination is not bad. Thus I might not plan to replace it with 'less'. You might try $display_filter. Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1
Re: PGP
Moin, * giorgian [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-12-22 14:54]: i've generated my public and private keys with ssh-keygen -t dsa I tried to send a pgp signed mail, but what i get is: gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: signing failed: secret key not available what must i do? I never mixed SSH and GPG keys and I wonder whether this is possible. Just use GPG to generate your keys. Thorsten -- Jede Glorifizierung eines Menschen, der im Krieg getötet worden ist, bedeutet drei Tote im nächsten Krieg. - Kurt Tucholsky
