Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Chris Green c...@isbd.net [2012-12-22 17:15:01 +]: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:08:25AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz [12-22-12 09:58]: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +, Chris Green wrote: I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! [...] It is somewhat slower than 'c' but not really significantly so where all my mail is in local mbox files. If it is slower, then that might be a good reason why it is not the default. In all honestly though, I think people may complain if it was made the default, simply because the majority of people are only interested in reading new mail. They are probably aware they have old unread mail lying around but don't want to be consistently reminded all the time. And, n is *normally*: Table 2.7. Most common pager keys Key Description Return go down one line Space display the next page (or next message if at the end of a message) - go back to the previous page /-- n search for next match S skip beyond quoted text Yes, I know I have hijacked 'n', I might change it but that doesn't affect the argument about whether using next-unread-mailbox is better than change-folder for seeing new mail. -- Chris Green I have bound ESCESC to the next-unread-mailbox function. It works well for me and is quite useful. bind index \e\e next-unread-mailbox Also have unset mark_old in my muttrc file. I've completely overridden the default keybindings and invoke mutt using a wrapper script with the -n and -F options and source a file where all my functions are bound to the keys I like. Once I've read the mailbox (mbox format) it's considered read; whether or not there remains unread mail in the file until more mail is sorted into it by procmail - then it becomes an unread mailbox again. Jamie.
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 05:34:13PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Nikola Petrov nikol...@gmail.com [12-21-12 16:24]: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: [...] Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. You can check the option mark_old which when set to 'no' will always leave seen but not read messages as old. No, it leaves them marked N, when set to no. Yep, my bad, that's why I meant actually. Then you can go to the next unread message as the OP wanted. -- Nikola
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 07:03:23AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. Good point. I agree. Not necessarily 'c' though. No it wouldn't need to be 'c' of course, I just wanted to make plain what I meant. Weird, the documentation has (under pattern matching) ~N New messages ~O Old messages ~U Unread messages Just wondering, what is an Unread message if its not New or Old, unless its New AND Old together? Just a quick grep through the docs reveals: When changing folders, Mutt fills the prompt with the first folder from the mailboxes list containing new mail (if any), pressing Space will cycle through folders with new mail. The (by default unbound) function next-unread-mailbox in the index can be used to immediately open the next folder with unread mail (if any). Could you try that, and see what happens? I will, I have been playing with this quite a lot recently. Currently I have:- set mail_check_recent=no set mark_old=no and 'c' doesn't seem to find N[ew] or [O]ld mail - so what *does* it do that's remotely useful? I'll try assigning a key to next-unread-mailbox and see what that does for me. -- Chris Green
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:31:02PM +, Chris Green wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 07:03:23AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: Just a quick grep through the docs reveals: When changing folders, Mutt fills the prompt with the first folder from the mailboxes list containing new mail (if any), pressing Space will cycle through folders with new mail. The (by default unbound) function next-unread-mailbox in the index can be used to immediately open the next folder with unread mail (if any). Could you try that, and see what happens? I will, I have been playing with this quite a lot recently. Currently I have:- set mail_check_recent=no set mark_old=no and 'c' doesn't seem to find N[ew] or [O]ld mail - so what *does* it do that's remotely useful? I'll try assigning a key to next-unread-mailbox and see what that does for me. It does what I want (and have always wanted). I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! Why isn't this the default set-up for mutt? It is somewhat slower than 'c' but not really significantly so where all my mail is in local mbox files. -- Chris Green
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:09PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:01:47AM +0100, Marco wrote: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. New mail is flagged with an N, old unread mail is flagged with an O, new mail is mail that has appeared in the mailbox *since* it was last opened/visited. If you leave/close a mailbox where there is mail flagged with an N, the flag will change to an O, this allows the distinction between New unread mail, and old unread mail. Is that any clearer? Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. -- Chris Green Can't you just toggle mark_old then? Or am I missing something? 3.122. mark_old Type: boolean Default: yes Controls whether or not mutt marks new unread messages as old if you exit a mailbox without reading them. With this option set, the next time you start mutt, the messages will show up with an “O” next to them in the index menu, indicating that they are old. There's also this: 3.117. mail_check_recent Type: boolean Default: yes When set, Mutt will only notify you about new mail that has been received since the last time you opened the mailbox. When unset, Mutt will notify you if any new mail exists in the mailbox, regardless of whether you have visited it recently. When $mark_old is set, Mutt does not consider the mailbox to contain new mail if only old messages exist. -- Brandon Sandrowicz : : web = http://brandon.sandrowicz.org : email = bran...@sandrowicz.org : phone = +1 647 960 3722
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +, Chris Green wrote: I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! Thanks for the heads up, it is handy to know. Why isn't this the default set-up for mutt? Don't know. It could be the way people handle mail, e.g. Do you leave all your snail mail in your letter box and just read the interesting letters or do you bring in all your mail at once and deal with it in one sitting, or do you ... Can you see where I'm coming from? mutt tends to be very conservative with its defaults and has settings which seem most natural to the majority of users, after all, it is fairly useless without some customisation. It is somewhat slower than 'c' but not really significantly so where all my mail is in local mbox files. If it is slower, then that might be a good reason why it is not the default. In all honestly though, I think people may complain if it was made the default, simply because the majority of people are only interested in reading new mail. They are probably aware they have old unread mail lying around but don't want to be consistently reminded all the time. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz [12-22-12 09:58]: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +, Chris Green wrote: I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! [...] It is somewhat slower than 'c' but not really significantly so where all my mail is in local mbox files. If it is slower, then that might be a good reason why it is not the default. In all honestly though, I think people may complain if it was made the default, simply because the majority of people are only interested in reading new mail. They are probably aware they have old unread mail lying around but don't want to be consistently reminded all the time. And, n is *normally*: Table 2.7. Most common pager keys Key Description Return go down one line Space display the next page (or next message if at the end of a message) - go back to the previous page /-- n search for next match S skip beyond quoted text -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 03:41:58AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +, Chris Green wrote: I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! Thanks for the heads up, it is handy to know. Why isn't this the default set-up for mutt? Don't know. It could be the way people handle mail, e.g. Do you leave all your snail mail in your letter box and just read the interesting letters or do you bring in all your mail at once and deal with it in one sitting, or do you ... Either way, unless I get a particular sort of letterbox with a particularly helpful postman, I never get to *know* if there's any new mail with the equivalent of 'c' (the default) whereas I will always find new mail with 'n', even though I'll occasionally find old circulars I should have thrown away. If it is slower, then that might be a good reason why it is not the default. In all honestly though, I think people may complain if it was made the default, simply because the majority of people are only interested in reading new mail. They are probably aware they have old unread mail lying around but don't want to be consistently reminded all the time. *I'm* interested in reading new mail, 'c' doesn't find it all except with certain types of mailboxes and/or certain other specific settings. -- Chris Green
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:08:25AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz [12-22-12 09:58]: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +, Chris Green wrote: I have added:- bindindex n next-unread-mailbox ... and now I can find new mail in all my (mbox) mailboxes without any stupid requirements for setting access times or whatever to the files. I always thought it should be simple and it is! [...] It is somewhat slower than 'c' but not really significantly so where all my mail is in local mbox files. If it is slower, then that might be a good reason why it is not the default. In all honestly though, I think people may complain if it was made the default, simply because the majority of people are only interested in reading new mail. They are probably aware they have old unread mail lying around but don't want to be consistently reminded all the time. And, n is *normally*: Table 2.7. Most common pager keys Key Description Return go down one line Space display the next page (or next message if at the end of a message) - go back to the previous page /-- n search for next match S skip beyond quoted text Yes, I know I have hijacked 'n', I might change it but that doesn't affect the argument about whether using next-unread-mailbox is better than change-folder for seeing new mail. -- Chris Green
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Chris Green c...@isbd.net [12-22-12 12:14]: Yes, I know I have hijacked 'n', I might change it but that doesn't affect the argument about whether using next-unread-mailbox is better than change-folder for seeing new mail. It is apparently not in *your* use case, but I have been using mutt since ~1998 and do *not* have a problem finding new mail. Perhaps you should re-examine your usage/habits, instead of branding the evolved default settings of mutt as illogical and unusable and instead try to determine *why* they are the way that they are. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
Hi Patrick, On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:45:59PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Chris Green c...@isbd.net [12-22-12 12:14]: Yes, I know I have hijacked 'n', I might change it but that doesn't affect the argument about whether using next-unread-mailbox is better than change-folder for seeing new mail. It is apparently not in *your* use case, but I have been using mutt since ~1998 and do *not* have a problem finding new mail. Perhaps you should re-examine your usage/habits, instead of branding the evolved default settings of mutt as illogical and unusable and instead try to determine *why* they are the way that they are. if you do know where this exactly comes from please tell me. I am still no getting why it is behaving the way it is - from my point of view I think the browser-view should be usable with the limit functionality. Can you tell me what way to find new mail you use? I resorted to having three calls for the mailboxes-command, one with all mailboxes, one with only mailboxes with unread mail and one with IMAP only (some misc accounts, not my main one).. Thanks and kind regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Andre Klärner kan...@ak-online.be [12-22-12 14:12]: [...] if you do know where this exactly comes from please tell me. I am still no getting why it is behaving the way it is - from my point of view I think the browser-view should be usable with the limit functionality. Can you tell me what way to find new mail you use? I resorted to having three calls for the mailboxes-command, one with all mailboxes, one with only mailboxes with unread mail and one with IMAP only (some misc accounts, not my main one).. I have a persistant screen of mutt in a tmux (similar to screen) session with set mail_check_recent. I use fetchmail thru procmail and read my mail by sorted directory (set in ~/.muttrc) in an order of *my* choice. I read new mail by advancing to the upper-most directory with mail newer than my last access to *that* directory using c. Mutt positions me to the oldest new mail in that directory. I read what I wish and move on. One thing about the above, I use mbox so directory equates to file. Mail marked new or N that is in a directory that I have visited since invoking mutt is *not* recognized as new as far as the directory/file containing new mail unless I close and reopen mutt, except by the N notation. And that is how *I* like it,re: set mail_check_recent. What is there that you do not understand or cannot make work the way you wish? Remember that mutt is *very* configurable and your configuration, what-ever it is, is *not* know by me so you must explain. Remember that what you do not state is not seen or recognized by me. Everyone has different wishes/likes/desires and it may just be that mutt does not suit you. It does for me and many others. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Marco wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. Perhaps this option will help: From man muttrc: -- mail_check_recent Type: boolean Default: yes When set, Mutt will only notify you about new mail that has been received since the last time you opened the mailbox. When unset, Mutt will notify you if any new mail exists in the mailbox, regardless of whether you have visited it recently. When $mark_old is set, Mutt does not consider the mailbox to contain new mail if only old messages exist. -- this page describes the issue in more detail but only deals with the 'mark_old' setting: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/NewMailHandling xing pgppKRDYy6WWx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Marco net...@lavabit.com [2012-12-21 02:01:47 +0100]: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. To quote the help: next-unread-mailbox is just that. You've read the mailbox, then read the next unread mailbox so it's been read. Therefore, it's no longer an unread mailbox.
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net [2012-12-21 10:12:06 +]: * Marco net...@lavabit.com [2012-12-21 02:01:47 +0100]: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. To quote the help: next-unread-mailbox is just that. You've read the mailbox, then read the next unread mailbox so it's been read. Therefore, it's no longer an unread mailbox. (Ooops, I do apologise - I forgot to wrap my lines again. I hope that hasn't caused too much inconvenience.)
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:01:47AM +0100, Marco wrote: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. New mail is flagged with an N, old unread mail is flagged with an O, new mail is mail that has appeared in the mailbox *since* it was last opened/visited. If you leave/close a mailbox where there is mail flagged with an N, the flag will change to an O, this allows the distinction between New unread mail, and old unread mail. Is that any clearer? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On 2012–12–21 xing wrote: Perhaps this option will help: From man muttrc: -- mail_check_recent Type: boolean Default: yes When set, Mutt will only notify you about new mail that has been received since the last time you opened the mailbox. When unset, Mutt will notify you if any new mail exists in the mailbox, regardless of whether you have visited it recently. I unset mail_check_recent and now I got the expected behaviour. Brilliant! this page describes the issue in more detail but only deals with the 'mark_old' setting: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/NewMailHandling Thanks for the link. I totally missed it while reading the wiki. It's well hidden. Now I understand the idea behind the command. (The wording is still misleading/confusing, though.) Thanks a lot. Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:09PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:01:47AM +0100, Marco wrote: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. New mail is flagged with an N, old unread mail is flagged with an O, new mail is mail that has appeared in the mailbox *since* it was last opened/visited. If you leave/close a mailbox where there is mail flagged with an N, the flag will change to an O, this allows the distinction between New unread mail, and old unread mail. Is that any clearer? Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. -- Chris Green
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. Good point. I agree. Not necessarily 'c' though. Weird, the documentation has (under pattern matching) ~N New messages ~O Old messages ~U Unread messages Just wondering, what is an Unread message if its not New or Old, unless its New AND Old together? Just a quick grep through the docs reveals: When changing folders, Mutt fills the prompt with the first folder from the mailboxes list containing new mail (if any), pressing Space will cycle through folders with new mail. The (by default unbound) function next-unread-mailbox in the index can be used to immediately open the next folder with unread mail (if any). Could you try that, and see what happens? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 07:03:23AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Weird, the documentation has (under pattern matching) ~N New messages ~O Old messages ~U Unread messages Just wondering, what is an Unread message if its not New or Old, unless its New AND Old together? ^^^ Arrghh! That should be either New OR Old. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:09PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:01:47AM +0100, Marco wrote: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. New mail is flagged with an N, old unread mail is flagged with an O, new mail is mail that has appeared in the mailbox *since* it was last opened/visited. If you leave/close a mailbox where there is mail flagged with an N, the flag will change to an O, this allows the distinction between New unread mail, and old unread mail. Is that any clearer? Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. You can check the option mark_old which when set to 'no' will always leave seen but not read messages as old. -- Nikola
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Nikola Petrov nikol...@gmail.com [12-21-12 16:24]: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:06PM +, Chris Green wrote: [...] Yes (not the OP here though), however it has always seemed odd to me that I can't get mutt to take me to all/any mailboxes which have *unread* mail in them. I.e. I want 'c' to take me to the next mailbox with unread mail in it, *not* to the next mailbox with new mail in it. You can check the option mark_old which when set to 'no' will always leave seen but not read messages as old. No, it leaves them marked N, when set to no. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On 2012–12–15 Marco wrote: “.” shows: “New mail in =.beta”, however “” shows: “No mailboxes have new mail” I did not receive any response. Maybe my question was unclear. Let me phrase it again. What is the reason the call “buffy-list” reports “New mail in =.beta” when at the same time the call “next-unread-mailbox” reports “No mailboxes have new mail”? Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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* Marco net...@lavabit.com [12-20-12 15:38]: On 2012–12–15 Marco wrote: “.” shows: “New mail in =.beta”, however “” shows: “No mailboxes have new mail” I did not receive any response. Maybe my question was unclear. Let me phrase it again. What is the reason the call “buffy-list” reports “New mail in =.beta” when at the same time the call “next-unread-mailbox” reports “No mailboxes have new mail”? I would guess that buffy has reset the file asscess time for .beta and that is what mutt uses to determin new mail. to prove, check the time of new.mail before buffy and after... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: I would guess that buffy has reset the file asscess time for .beta and that is what mutt uses to determin new mail. to prove, check the time of new.mail before buffy and after... I just checked using the “Access”, “Modify” and “Change” time of the mailbox “.beta” and it's set to the date when I created the mailbox several weeks ago. Probably because nothing in this directory changed. It contains the sub-directories “cur”, “new” and “tmp” with a new message in the “new” directory with a recent modification time. I explained it wrong. “buffy-list” does not cause “next-unread-mailbox” to fail. I can press “.” (buffy-list), then “” (next-unread-mailbox) and it still jumps to the next unread mailbox. But when I once enter the mailbox and leave it without reading any mail, “buffy-list” still is aware of the new mail, “next-unread-mailbox” however is not and will not jump. Since there is a file in the mailbox “new” directory (.beta/new) mutt should be able to tell that there's new mail regardless of the modification time. Even if mutt uses the modification time, why do the commands “buffy-list” and “next-unread-mailbox” don't share the same opinion if I have any new mail? Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
* Marco net...@lavabit.com [12-20-12 16:59]: On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: I would guess that buffy has reset the file asscess time for .beta and that is what mutt uses to determin new mail. to prove, check the time of new.mail before buffy and after... I just checked using the “Access”, “Modify” and “Change” time of the mailbox “.beta” and it's set to the date when I created the mailbox several weeks ago. Probably because nothing in this directory changed. It contains the sub-directories “cur”, “new” and “tmp” with a new message in the “new” directory with a recent modification time. I explained it wrong. “buffy-list” does not cause “next-unread-mailbox” to fail. I can press “.” (buffy-list), then “” (next-unread-mailbox) and it still jumps to the next unread mailbox. But when I once enter the mailbox and leave it without reading any mail, “buffy-list” still is aware of the new mail, “next-unread-mailbox” however is not and will not jump. mutt determins, iirc, new mail by access time. You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. That is not how it works, aiui. Since there is a file in the mailbox “new” directory (.beta/new) mutt should be able to tell that there's new mail regardless of the modification time. Even if mutt uses the modification time, why do the commands “buffy-list” and “next-unread-mailbox” don't share the same opinion if I have any new mail? not how it works!. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: Jump to next mailbox with unread mail
On 2012–12–20 Patrick Shanahan wrote: You access the mail box and leave, then expect mutt to still show new mail. Yes, I do. If there is a new unread message in the mail box and I enter and leave it is still contains an unread message that resides in the .mailbox/new directory. I'm sorry that I still don't get it. To quote the help: “The (by default unbound) function next-unread-mailbox in the index can be used to immediately open the next folder with unread mail (if any)” and ├┼─┤ │next-unread-mailbox │open next mailbox with new mail │ ├┼─┤ I have a mailbox with unread mail in it (I did not read the mail, right?) and this mail is new (it shows an “N” in the index) and pressing “.” shows that this mailbox contains new mail (so mutt thinks I have a new mail in this mailbox). As far as I understand the help text I quoted, mutt should open this very mailbox if I invoke “next-unread-mailbox”. Since there is a file in the mailbox “new” directory (.beta/new) mutt should be able to tell that there's new mail regardless of the modification time. Even if mutt uses the modification time, why do the commands “buffy-list” and “next-unread-mailbox” don't share the same opinion if I have any new mail? not how it works!. Apparently I don't understand what the function “next-unread-mailbox” is supposed to do. Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
