Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Dan Ciprus (dciprus)]

I am not a Lua expert but imapfilter has its limitations. There are situations 
where imafilter can not parse headers properly and emails from the mailing lists 
are not properly sorted. If I was about to re-do my email delivery flow, I would 
probably avoid imapfilter do to detailed work completely. On the other hand, Lua 
is pretty straight forward language so if there are any objections (like mine 
for instance) you can still fix things at home. I guess I am just too lazy to do 
that :-).


On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 06:16:48PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote:

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 04:36:07PM +, Sam Kuper wrote:


   https://pypi.org/project/cs.app.mailfiler/

which monitors multiple Maildirs for new messages, and files them
according to per-folder rules.


Nice.  I've bookmarked this as a procmail alternative :)


Have a look at imapfilter, too.  It does the same but through the IMAP
protocol in the server.  Then you can synchronize to your local folder
structure with mbsync, as discussed in another thread.  They work very
nicely together.

Cheers,
Ángel


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Re: Resolved!![unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

On 09:36 Fri 12 Feb 2021, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:

The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. All I need to know
about when I am in the TO or CC field or received mail from some
specific individuals, then only the notify send pop up.

Any clue? I saw some rexexes but couldn't figure out how to apply them.
More over is there any "in-built" way of getting that??


No, $new_mail_command doesn't provide anything sophisticated.  It
operates at the same time as $beep_new - running when Mutt detects new
mail in the open mailbox or any of the monitored mailboxes.

For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.



Well, after bit internet searching I have stumbled upon on this page and it
solved what I was looking for.

http://enricorossi.org/blog/2016/mail_notify_with_procmail/

...I do have mutt+fetchmail+procmail setup..just take the essence out of
those..

Thanks,
Bhaskar

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Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Angel M Alganza]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 04:36:07PM +, Sam Kuper wrote:


https://pypi.org/project/cs.app.mailfiler/

which monitors multiple Maildirs for new messages, and files them
according to per-folder rules.


Nice.  I've bookmarked this as a procmail alternative :)


Have a look at imapfilter, too.  It does the same but through the IMAP
protocol in the server.  Then you can synchronize to your local folder
structure with mbsync, as discussed in another thread.  They work very
nicely together.

Cheers,
Ángel

Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Sam Kuper]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:24:59AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 13Feb2021 19:29, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:
>> How?? Show us...share with the people ..
> 
> I collect my email with getmail, deliver to my local "+spool" mail 
> folder, a Maildir (~/mail/spool).
> 
> I filter my messages using mailfer:
> 
> https://pypi.org/project/cs.app.mailfiler/
> 
> which monitors multiple Maildirs for new messages, and files them 
> according to per-folder rules.

Nice.  I've bookmarked this as a procmail alternative :)

> The desktop popup comes from my "alert"r script:
> 
> https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/alert?rev=tip
> 
> That will issue alerts to a variety of places depending on envvars and
> options particularly my dlog (a timestamped text log I use for
> reviewing things, since my invoicing system is a ghastly hack held
> together with string) and to the desktop.
> 
> The "desktop alert" part of that script is in the $to_desktop
> if-statement at the bottom. Presently I'm on a Mac and use the
> "terminal-notifier" command to issue a normal Mac Notification popup.
> I'd be using whatever Linux desktop notification command line were
> suitable were I on Linux.
> 
> I presume there _is_ a standard way to issue a popup alert on Linux
> systems these days? I used to just always run a permanent very short
> full-width terminal across the top of the screen tailing a log file
> myself, crude but effective. The same terminal also accepted commands
> if you typed them.

This is an interesting bunch of workarounds.  Again, thank you for
sharing :)

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Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Cameron Simpson]

On 14Feb2021 06:48, Bhaskar Chowdhury  wrote:
>.but depending too much of other software makes it fragile and 
>prone to
>error and least to say it is complex.

Aye. But you asked. You can see from the opening comment of the alert 
script:

# Write a possibly-colourised string to the alert log.

that it has evolved a bit over time.

>Ordinary mortals(i.e me) who has less technical bend of mind, will run 
>away from this.

The core point here is the flow:
- getmail => folder
- mailfiler to file messages from the folder
- some messages run the alert script, which contains whatever 
  platform-specific popup incantation is required

All the rest has to do with my environment.

If you're using fetchmail+procmail, for example, you just need an 
"alert" rule at the right points in your rules.

>I do understand simplicity can not achieved without by digging and 
>getting into the rabbit
>hole...again but...how many are willing(including me, I am an truest sense lazy
>person) ...

You can use all my code of course. I'm well aware that even taking 
what's needed (==> implied, the box of tissues effect) and putting it 
into your own setup is not necessarily trivial.

>Not to deny, I do fall on fetchmail , procmail et al along with 
>mutt(the love for something do wonder) , but more to it ...nope...
>
>>The "desktop alert" part of that script is in the $to_desktop
>>if-statement at the bottom. Presently I'm on a Mac and use the
>>"terminal-notifier" command to issue a normal Mac Notification popup.
>>I'd be using whatever Linux desktop notification command line were
>>suitable were I on Linux.
>>
>notify-send is the "lightest" and "efficient" way of doing it on Linux.

Thanks. I'll look it up and stick it in. The whole point of the script 
is to remove platform "how do I alert" from everything else.

>Finally, I don't have the ability to create something native(think of 
>it as
>excuse not to put effort,if you like :) ) OR we don't want mutt to be 
>convoluted
>with some "airy-fairy" stuff.
>
>I am happy with it's limitation(partly because of my lack of understanding and
>as mentioned ability to extends it,being using it for long time 
>though).

Incremental change. Start with something basic. Modify it to better fit 
what you actually desire as its shortcomings become apparent. That's 
what I do. I've just been doing it a bit longer.

For example, your own "alert" script might just directly invoke 
notify-send and do nothing else. Mine started by writing coloured alerts 
to a text file, nothing else.

Then stick your own "alert" in your rules, and modify alert separately 
without needing to hack outside the script.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 

Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

On 11:24 Sun 14 Feb 2021, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 13Feb2021 19:29, Bhaskar Chowdhury  wrote:

On 07:40 Sat 13 Feb 2021, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 12Feb2021 09:36, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:

The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. [...]

For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.


For xample, my own new mail desktop notifications happen from my mail
filer, not from mutt. This has the advantage that they still happen when
mutt is closed (if you can call that an advantage).


How?? Show us...share with the people ..


Ok

I collect my email with getmail, deliver to my local "+spool" mail
folder, a Maildir (~/mail/spool).

I filter my messages using mailfer:

   https://pypi.org/project/cs.app.mailfiler/

which monitors multiple Maildirs for new messages, and files them
according to per-folder rules.

So it watches spool, spool-in, spool-out, spool-to-phone etc. "spool"
winnows some spam and lets the rest through to spool-in. spool-in files
to my inbox, various mailing list folders etc. Anything not matched
lands in +UNKNOWN. It is mostly spam.  spool-out is what mutt's $record
is set to - mutt saves sent mail there and mailfiler refiles it.
spool-to-phone just has a rule to forward to my phone's email account.

So, alerts.

Mailfiler rules are usually quite simple, like this:

   !me  Work  from:(ALERT)

which says to match messages from addresses in the group "alert" and do
2 things:

- "me" save a copy in my +me folder, my "priority inbox"
- "!" run the $ALERT command with the message and save a copy to the
 targets named in $ALERT_TARGETS

They're set like this:

   ALERT=alert
   ALERT_TARGETS="F,spool-to-phone"

So $ALERT runs my "alert" command, a script. Details below.
$ALERT_TARGETS says:

- "F" (F)lag the message (same as mutt's (F)lag command) so that it is
 highlighted in mutt's index
- "spool-to-phone" save a copy in my +spool-to-phone folder, which
 mailfiler also monitors (its rules say forward a copy to my phone's
 email account)

The desktop popup comes from my "alert"r script:

   https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/alert?rev=tip

That will issue alerts to a variety of places depending on envvars and
options particularly my dlog (a timestamped text log I use for reviewing
things, since my invoicing system is a ghastly hack held together with
string) and to the desktop.


Thanks!

.but depending too much of other software makes it fragile and prone to
error and least to say it is complex.

Ordinary mortals(i.e me) who has less technical bend of mind, will run away
from this.

I do understand simplicity can not achieved without by digging and getting into 
the rabbit
hole...again but...how many are willing(including me, I am an truest sense lazy
person) ...

Anyway, your manipulation to get the simple task done very commanding ,alas!
If I could follow.

Not to deny, I do fall on fetchmail , procmail et al along with mutt(the love
for something do wonder) , but more to it ...nope...


The "desktop alert" part of that script is in the $to_desktop
if-statement at the bottom. Presently I'm on a Mac and use the
"terminal-notifier" command to issue a normal Mac Notification popup.
I'd be using whatever Linux desktop notification command line were
suitable were I on Linux.


notify-send is the "lightest" and "efficient" way of doing it on Linux.


I presume there _is_ a standard way to issue a popup alert on Linux
systems these days? I used to just always run a permanent very short
full-width terminal across the top of the screen tailing a log file
myself, crude but effective. The same terminal also accepted commands if
you typed them.

Anyway, that is how this is hooked into my email.

Suggestions for current Linux or other UNIX desktop popup command line
tools welcomed.

As mentioned use notify-send.




Finally, I don't have the ability to create something native(think of it as
excuse not to put effort,if you like :) ) OR we don't want mutt to be convoluted
with some "airy-fairy" stuff.

I am happy with it's limitation(partly because of my lack of understanding and
as mentioned ability to extends it,being using it for long time though).



Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 


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Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Cameron Simpson]

On 13Feb2021 19:29, Bhaskar Chowdhury  wrote:
>On 07:40 Sat 13 Feb 2021, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>On 12Feb2021 09:36, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:
>>>On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:
The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. [...]
>>>For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.
>>
>>For xample, my own new mail desktop notifications happen from my mail
>>filer, not from mutt. This has the advantage that they still happen when
>>mutt is closed (if you can call that an advantage).
>>
>How?? Show us...share with the people ..

Ok

I collect my email with getmail, deliver to my local "+spool" mail 
folder, a Maildir (~/mail/spool).

I filter my messages using mailfer:

https://pypi.org/project/cs.app.mailfiler/

which monitors multiple Maildirs for new messages, and files them 
according to per-folder rules.

So it watches spool, spool-in, spool-out, spool-to-phone etc. "spool" 
winnows some spam and lets the rest through to spool-in. spool-in files 
to my inbox, various mailing list folders etc. Anything not matched 
lands in +UNKNOWN. It is mostly spam.  spool-out is what mutt's $record 
is set to - mutt saves sent mail there and mailfiler refiles it.  
spool-to-phone just has a rule to forward to my phone's email account.

So, alerts.

Mailfiler rules are usually quite simple, like this:

!me  Work  from:(ALERT)

which says to match messages from addresses in the group "alert" and do 
2 things:

- "me" save a copy in my +me folder, my "priority inbox"
- "!" run the $ALERT command with the message and save a copy to the 
  targets named in $ALERT_TARGETS

They're set like this:

ALERT=alert
ALERT_TARGETS="F,spool-to-phone"

So $ALERT runs my "alert" command, a script. Details below.
$ALERT_TARGETS says:

- "F" (F)lag the message (same as mutt's (F)lag command) so that it is 
  highlighted in mutt's index
- "spool-to-phone" save a copy in my +spool-to-phone folder, which 
  mailfiler also monitors (its rules say forward a copy to my phone's 
  email account)

The desktop popup comes from my "alert"r script:

https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/alert?rev=tip

That will issue alerts to a variety of places depending on envvars and 
options particularly my dlog (a timestamped text log I use for reviewing 
things, since my invoicing system is a ghastly hack held together with 
string) and to the desktop.

The "desktop alert" part of that script is in the $to_desktop 
if-statement at the bottom. Presently I'm on a Mac and use the 
"terminal-notifier" command to issue a normal Mac Notification popup.  
I'd be using whatever Linux desktop notification command line were 
suitable were I on Linux.

I presume there _is_ a standard way to issue a popup alert on Linux 
systems these days? I used to just always run a permanent very short 
full-width terminal across the top of the screen tailing a log file 
myself, crude but effective. The same terminal also accepted commands if 
you typed them.

Anyway, that is how this is hooked into my email.

Suggestions for current Linux or other UNIX desktop popup command line 
tools welcomed.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 

Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

On 07:40 Sat 13 Feb 2021, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 12Feb2021 09:36, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:

The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. [...]

For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.


For xample, my own new mail desktop notifications happen from my mail
filer, not from mutt. This has the advantage that they still happen when
mutt is closed (if you can call that an advantage).


How?? Show us...share with the people ..


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 


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Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Cameron Simpson]

On 12Feb2021 09:36, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:
>>The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. [...]
>For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.

For xample, my own new mail desktop notifications happen from my mail 
filer, not from mutt. This has the advantage that they still happen when 
mutt is closed (if you can call that an advantage).

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 

Re: [unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:59:38AM +0530, Bhaskar Chowdhury wrote:
The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. All I need to know 
about when I am in the TO or CC field or received mail from some 
specific individuals, then only the notify send pop up.


Any clue? I saw some rexexes but couldn't figure out how to apply them. 
More over is there any "in-built" way of getting that??


No, $new_mail_command doesn't provide anything sophisticated.  It 
operates at the same time as $beep_new - running when Mutt detects new 
mail in the open mailbox or any of the monitored mailboxes.


For more sophisticated notification, you'll need to use another tool.

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[unixbhas...@gmail.com: Notify-send pop up for specific mails]

[Bhaskar Chowdhury]

- Forwarded message from Bhaskar Chowdhury  -

 Kindly throw some light.

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:41:28 +0530
From: Bhaskar Chowdhury 
To: ke...@8t8.us
Subject: Notify-send pop up for specific mails

Hey Kevin,

I was wondering and hovering through the manual pages ,it failed to come to
eyes, so asking you ..

I have a line like this in my muttrc :

  set new_mail_command="notify-send --icon='/home/bhaskar/Pictures/neomutt.png'
  \
1 'New Emails' '%n new messages, %u unread.' &"


The problem it pops up for every new mail arrive. All I need to know about
when I am in the TO or CC field or received mail from some specific
individuals, then only the notify send pop up.

Any clue? I saw some rexexes but couldn't figure out how to apply them.
More over is there any "in-built" way of getting that??

Thanks,
Bhaskar



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Re: mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

On 07/28/2016 09:00 PM, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 20:23:49 -0400, dale wrote:

On 07/28/2016 07:39 PM, dale wrote:

On 07/28/2016 04:10 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2016-07-28, dale  wrote:


I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I
use SMTP


How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?



with the default sending mechanism that came with it before I configured
SMTP variables


I believe the default is to use the "sendmail" command to submit the
message to the local mail delivery system.  (But it sounds like the
local delivery system is unable to actually send the outgoing message,
presumably because it is trying to use the smtp port in its delivery
attempts, too.)



note that I can use the same SMTP configuration in thunderbird, icedove
and agent


If those programs are able to send outgoing email successfully, check
their configuration carefully.  Most likely they are configured to use
the "submission" port (587) instead of the "smtp" port (25) (and your
ISP allows traffic to the former but not the latter).

Nathan





the following link led me to use port 465 and specify smtps

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128004/mutt-not-sending-email-when-specifying-smtp-server

this is the line in my .muttrc that made it work

set smtp_url="smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465"

hope it doesn't change ...

thanks for all the help





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Re: mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

On 07/28/2016 09:00 PM, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 20:23:49 -0400, dale wrote:

On 07/28/2016 07:39 PM, dale wrote:

On 07/28/2016 04:10 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2016-07-28, dale <d...@dalekelly.org> wrote:


I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I
use SMTP


How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?



with the default sending mechanism that came with it before I configured
SMTP variables


I believe the default is to use the "sendmail" command to submit the
message to the local mail delivery system.  (But it sounds like the
local delivery system is unable to actually send the outgoing message,
presumably because it is trying to use the smtp port in its delivery
attempts, too.)



note that I can use the same SMTP configuration in thunderbird, icedove
and agent


If those programs are able to send outgoing email successfully, check
their configuration carefully.  Most likely they are configured to use
the "submission" port (587) instead of the "smtp" port (25) (and your
ISP allows traffic to the former but not the latter).

Nathan




Thanks, got a routing error with port 587, pressed q a lot of times than 
cancelled the terminal because I want to start over and see any 
progression of messages and copy them besides just the routing error, 
now regardless of many times I switch the port my ,muttrc back and forth 
can't get the routing error to pop up, same with no port


might not have a fully qualified domain name set up in my /etc/hosts and 
/etc/hostname , I recall a good Ubuntu Forums guide for this but during 
reconfigs didn't save the link, I'll look around


Thanks again,


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Re: mutt smtp/pop

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 20:23:49 -0400, dale wrote:
> On 07/28/2016 07:39 PM, dale wrote:
> >On 07/28/2016 04:10 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >>On 2016-07-28, dale  wrote:
> >>
> >>>I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I
> >>>use SMTP
> >>
> >>How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?
> >>
> >
> >with the default sending mechanism that came with it before I configured
> >SMTP variables

I believe the default is to use the "sendmail" command to submit the
message to the local mail delivery system.  (But it sounds like the
local delivery system is unable to actually send the outgoing message,
presumably because it is trying to use the smtp port in its delivery
attempts, too.)

> 
> note that I can use the same SMTP configuration in thunderbird, icedove 
> and agent

If those programs are able to send outgoing email successfully, check
their configuration carefully.  Most likely they are configured to use
the "submission" port (587) instead of the "smtp" port (25) (and your
ISP allows traffic to the former but not the latter). 

Nathan

Re: mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

On 07/28/2016 07:39 PM, dale wrote:

On 07/28/2016 04:10 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2016-07-28, dale  wrote:


I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I
use SMTP


How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?



with the default sending mechanism that came with it before I configured
SMTP variables

Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) 64-bit

and

Mutt 1.5.23-3 which came installed as I saw in the package manager

mentioned ESMTP in description ...

I'm probably wrong



note that I can use the same SMTP configuration in thunderbird, icedove 
and agent


--
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http://www.dalekelly.org

Re: mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

On 07/28/2016 04:10 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2016-07-28, dale  wrote:


I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I
use SMTP


How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?



with the default sending mechanism that came with it before I configured 
SMTP variables


Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) 64-bit

and

Mutt 1.5.23-3 which came installed as I saw in the package manager

mentioned ESMTP in description ...

I'm probably wrong

--
Dale
http://www.dalekelly.org

Re: mutt smtp/pop

[Grant Edwards]

On 2016-07-28, dale  wrote:

> I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I 
> use SMTP

How do you "directly send" without using SMTP?

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Re: mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

On 07/28/2016 01:46 PM, hy...@lactose.homelinux.net wrote:

dale writes:

my ISP doesn't allow direct email



set smtp_url="smtp://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:25"



I get the following messages
Connecting to smtpout.secureserver.net...
Could not connect to smtpout.secureserver.net (Interrupted system call).


It's very likely that your ISP is blocking access to port 25.  Many of
them do.

--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymiehy...@lactose.homelinux.net




I get a reply from my ISP when I try to directly send, no message when I 
use SMTP


I can use SMTP in other programs

--
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http://www.dalekelly.org

Re: mutt smtp/pop

[hymie]

dale writes:
>my ISP doesn't allow direct email

>set smtp_url="smtp://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:25"

>I get the following messages
>Connecting to smtpout.secureserver.net...
>Could not connect to smtpout.secureserver.net (Interrupted system call).

It's very likely that your ISP is blocking access to port 25.  Many of
them do.

--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymiehy...@lactose.homelinux.net

mutt smtp/pop

[dale]

I used to use Mutt on Ubuntu from the repository and got it to work 
except for smtp TLS, my ISP doesn't allow direct email, still doesn't I 
get a reply mail saying so


I am now using

Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) 64-bit

and

Mutt 1.5.23-3 which came installed as I saw in the package manager

I copied /etc/Muttrc to ~/.muttrc

and like before added

set realname="Dale"
set from="d...@dalekelly.org"

set smtp_url="smtp://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:25"

set smtp_pass="password"

set pop_host="pop://d...@dalekelly.org@pop.secureserver.net:110"

set pop_pass="password"

I get the following messages
Connecting to smtpout.secureserver.net...
Could not connect to smtpout.secureserver.net (Interrupted system call).

pop works

I noticed ESMTP support declaration in the package manager description, 
could there be a conflict?


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Re: POP? (read some docs first)

[John Long]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:41:05PM -0600, Russell Harris wrote:
 On Mon, November 10, 2014 5:29 pm, DaleKelly wrote:
  On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote:
 
  Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.
 
 
  APOP authentication failed.

Where is this coming out? Only on debug output or somewhere else?

  proceeds the above error
 
  although it works!!!
  don't like errors, any help appreciated much

So don't try authenticating with APOP. You should not be specifying any
pop_authenticators unless you specifically need to. That doesn't happen
often.

OTOH if you didn't mess this up with some config error then perhaps it is
normal as mutt tries various authentication methods (see doc) from most
secure to least secure.

 
 If I recall correctly, POP interface was added to Mutt as an afterthought.
 A search on mutt retrieve pop reveals that others have found Mutt in the
 role of retrieving messages from a POP server to be problematic.

I use Mutt with POP heavily (few thousand mails per week from mailing lists)
and it works absolutely fine, no issues. I've used it over the years with at
least 5 email providers. People just seem to have problems setting up email
clients, I don't think mutt is any harder than usual. I mean getting mutt to
do exactly what you want is harder but the mail server connection stuff is
pretty much the same with every client. Even MS Outhouse needs to have your
creds and mail server addresses.

 But why waste time with a Mutt function which is questionable, when a good
 POP solution is available in getmail?  Switch to getmail and be done with
 it.

Please, Russell ;-) Remember who we're talking to. Simple is good. And
mutt's pop support is totally fine. 

/jl

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Re: Now Pop...

[John Long]

Why use an MTA when Mutt can do SMTP? This is way simpler than the
alternatives. Just lett mutt do it all!

  i'm halfway there (i can get things from my ISP, but i haven't figured out
  exim4 to my ISP connection yet).

Totally unnecessary unless you feel like being a mail server admin in
addition to your day job.

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Re: POP? (read some docs first)

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:29:12PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote:
 Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.
 
 APOP authentication failed.
 proceeds the above error
 
 although it works!!!
 
 don't like errors, any help appreciated much
 
 I'll write a full HOWTO on Ubuntu Mutt on my website below and post it to
 the mailing list and usenet group

Please don't bother. Just post the link to it if you feel you must.

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Re: now POP ...

[Russell Harris]

On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3
 configuration for getmail just in case you are interested:

 thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work,
 especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server

That is the function of the delete command; simply specify delete=false'.

Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as
limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session.  And
getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message
downloaded).  Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for
sorting.

RLH

Re: now POP ...

[Russell Harris]

On Mon, November 10, 2014 4:24 am, Russell Harris wrote:
 On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote:

 On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote:


 On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3
 configuration for getmail just in case you are interested:

 thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work,
 especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server

 That is the function of the delete command; simply specify
 delete=false.


 Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as
 limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session.  And
 getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message
 downloaded).  Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for
 sorting.

An additional consideration: Strive for both simplicity and
reliability, and consider the difficulty of diagnostic and future
expansion of functionality.  And do not make the mistake of equating
simplicity with a minimal number of packages.

From the standpoint of ease of maintenance and diagnostics, a collection
of single-function tools often is a better solution than is a single
multi-function tool; this is true of the combination of getmail and Mutt,
as opposed to Mutt configured to fetch messages from a POP3 server.

And the use of maildrop to categorize messages into different directories
is a great time-saver, because Mutt can open only the directories (such as
mutt-users) in which you are interested at the moment, eliminating the
necessity of looking at every incoming message each time you stop to check
mail.

RLH

POP? (read some docs first)

[DaleKelly]

read ? on mutt
read POP in Mutt docs
searched Ubuntu wiki
searched google

I get
Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.
SSL/TLS seemes to make a connection before the error comes up
SMTP with SSL/TLS works fine
abook is working fine

? on my Ubuntu repository version, says G launches fetch-mail
Ubuntu version 14.04 LTS
repository Mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2

grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc is at the bottom

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here is what I added to my Muttrc

set realname=Dale
set from=d...@dalekelly.org

set smtp_url=smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465
set smtp_pass=mypassword

set pop_host=pops://d...@dalekelly.org@pop.secureserver.net:995
set pop_pass=mypassword

set signature=~/.signature

macro index I !abook\n
macro pager I !abook\n



specifying pop_user gives me the same error, I currently have it separate
(pop_port gives an error, so I put in in the pop_host)

dale@dale-W3653:~$ grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc

ignore *

unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url user-agent

hdr_order date from to cc subject

bind editor\edeletekill-word
bind editor\ebackspace kill-word

bind editor delete  delete-char


set sort=threads

unset bounce_delivered

set mixmaster=mixmaster-filter

set ssl_ca_certificates_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt

macro index \eb search~b  search in message bodies

macro index,pager,attach,compose \cb \
enter-command set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode pipe_decodeEnter\
pipe-message urlviewEnter\
enter-command set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset 
my_pipe_decodeEnter \

call urlview to extract URLs out of a message

macro generic,pager F1 shell-escape zcat 
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | sensible-pagerenter show Mutt 
documentation


macro index,pager y change-folder?toggle-mailboxes show incoming 
mailboxes list

bind browser y exit



mime_lookup application/octet-stream

set time_inc=250



attachments   +A */.*
attachments   -A text/x-vcard application/pgp.*
attachments   -A application/x-pkcs7-.*

attachments   +I text/plain


attachments   -A message/external-body
attachments   -I message/external-body

source /usr/lib/mutt/source-muttrc.d|

set realname=Dale
set from=d...@dalekelly.org

set smtp_url=smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465
set smtp_pass=mypassword

set pop_host=pops://pop.secureserver.net:995
set pop_user=d...@dalekelly.org
set pop_pass=mypassword

set signature=~/.signature

macro index I !abook\n
macro pager I !abook\n


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Re: POP? (read some docs first)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.


APOP authentication failed.
proceeds the above error

although it works!!!

don't like errors, any help appreciated much

I'll write a full HOWTO on Ubuntu Mutt on my website below and post it 
to the mailing list and usenet group


thanks again, I'm off to bother the slrn folk now, already got a version 
of ircii running, when slrn is done I can shut Thunderbird down


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Re: POP? (read some docs first)

[Russell Harris]

On Mon, November 10, 2014 5:29 pm, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

 Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server.


 APOP authentication failed.
 proceeds the above error

 although it works!!!

 don't like errors, any help appreciated much

If I recall correctly, POP interface was added to Mutt as an afterthought.
A search on mutt retrieve pop reveals that others have found Mutt in the
role of retrieving messages from a POP server to be problematic.

But why waste time with a Mutt function which is questionable, when a good
POP solution is available in getmail?  Switch to getmail and be done with
it.

getmail knows how to retrieve mail from most types of mail server. 
getmail is reliable.  And getmail can provide a log of each transaction;
this facilitates diagnostics.

RLH

Re: now POP ...

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:24:33AM -0600, Russell Harris wrote:
 On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote:
  On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote:
 
  On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
  I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3
  configuration for getmail just in case you are interested:
 
  thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work,
  especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server
 
 That is the function of the delete command; simply specify delete=false'.
 
 Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as
 limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session.  And
 getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message
 downloaded).  Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for
 sorting.

As does fetchmail. :)

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Re: Now Pop...

[Russell Harris]

On Mon, November 10, 2014 10:25 pm, beni wrote:
 hello,

 thank you for your answers regarding mutt and pop3 mail in mutt.user,
 they've given me at least a chance of getting everything working that i
 need to get going.  :)

 i'm halfway there (i can get things from my ISP, but i haven't figured out
 exim4 to my ISP connection yet).

 one step at a time...


What distribution are you running?

In Debian, the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is Exim4; your
distribution may use Sendmail or some other MTA.

The Debian maintainer of Mutt compiles Mutt to hand outgoing messages to
Exim4 for transmission; no user configuration of Mutt is needed for this
function.

During installation (or afterward, using dpkg-reconfigure exim4.config),
one of the details which you as the user specify is whether to use a
smarthost for outgoing mail.  The smarthost typically is the SMTP server
of your ISP.  If you specify that a smarthost is to be used, the
reconfiguration dialogue asks you to specify the URL of the smarthost --
something such as smtp.myisp.com.

And that should be all that is required to configure the system for
sending mail.

RLH

now POP ...

[DaleKelly]

got my SMTP working as I want, except debugging why SSL/TLS doesn't 
work, I'm waiting for a reply as to how to debug


may as well ask about POP while I am reading docs
I am using mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 from the repository

before I read any mail I want configure to make sure copies are left on 
the server side


want to pull the mail

want to store/open old messages on the client side

nothing fancy

have the pop_host and pop_pass set in my Muttrc file, no errors when I 
launch mutt


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Re: now POP ...

[Francesco Ariis]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 want to pull the mail
 want to store/open old messages on the client side
 nothing fancy

I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 configuration
for getmail just in case you are interested:

[options]
verbose = 1
delete = true

[retriever]
type = SimplePOP3SSLRetriever
server = mail.something.com
username = france...@something.com
port = 995
password = somepassword

[destination]
type = Maildir
path = ~/somfolder/somebox

Don't forget that ~/somfolder/somebox should of course conform to Maildir
standard (i.e. contain new/ cur/ new/ tmp/ subfolders).


[1] http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/

Re: now POP ...

[DaleKelly]

On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote:

On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

want to pull the mail
want to store/open old messages on the client side
nothing fancy

I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 configuration
for getmail just in case you are interested:


thanks, I'll archive this in case I cn't get the POP in mutt to work, 
especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[John Long]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 08:40:57PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
 You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:
 
 [cd to mutt source directory]
 
 $ ./configure --enable-smtp
 $ make
 $ sudo make install
 
 previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL

You have to install the SASL package. It is used for authenticating your
password (and maybe your userid, I forget) so you password is transmitted
encrypted rather than as normal text.

/jl

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 01:37 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Install from the repository and configure the .muttrc file (I would put
that file in ~/)  This should avoid any problems like mutt not being
configured for SMTP.


Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

the repository doesn't work either

I'm down to just:
smtp_user
SASL authentication error (if smtp_user is commented out)

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 06:56 AM, John Long wrote:

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 08:40:57PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:

[cd to mutt source directory]

$ ./configure --enable-smtp
$ make
$ sudo make install


previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL


You have to install the SASL package. It is used for authenticating your
password (and maybe your userid, I forget) so you password is transmitted
encrypted rather than as normal text.

/jl



sasl2 was already installed
I put it in some configure statement too

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Joshua Smith]

The version of mutt available from the ubuntu 14.04 repos _DOES_ include
smtp support.  I am suing it now:

jsmith@jsmith:~$ mutt -v | grep -i smtp
Configure options: '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-docdir=/usr/share/doc'
'--with-mailpath=/var/mail' '--disable-dependency-tracking'
'--enable-compressed' '--enable-debug' '--enable-fcntl'
'--enable-hcache' '--enable-gpgme' '--enable-imap' '--enable-smtp'
'--enable-pop' '--with-curses' '--with-gnutls' '--with-gss' '--with-idn'
'--with-mixmaster' '--with-sasl' '--without-gdbm' '--without-bdb'
'--without-qdbm' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong
-Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall'
'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro'
'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -I/usr/include/qdbm'
+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP  



On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:49:45AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/04/2014 01:37 AM, John Niendorf wrote:
 Install from the repository and configure the .muttrc file (I would put
 that file in ~/)  This should avoid any problems like mutt not being
 configured for SMTP.
 
 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
 
 the repository doesn't work either
 
 I'm down to just:
 smtp_user
 SASL authentication error (if smtp_user is commented out)
 
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

mutt -v | grep -i smtp


I get this

mutt -v | grep -i smtp
Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' '--with-ssl'
+USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Joshua Smith]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 12:31:26PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:
 mutt -v | grep -i smtp
 
 I get this
 
 mutt -v | grep -i smtp
 Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' '--with-ssl'
 +USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP

Is that from the mutt you built by hand or the mutt from apt?  At this
point its not exactly clear what you've done with regards to installing
from the repo or building from source.

 
 
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 12:37 PM, Joshua Smith wrote:

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 12:31:26PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

 mutt -v | grep -i smtp


I get this

mutt -v | grep -i smtp
Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' '--with-ssl'
+USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP

Is that from the mutt you built by hand or the mutt from apt?  At this
point its not exactly clear what you've done with regards to installing
from the repo or building from source.



the one from hand, I tried the repository but it didn't work and I 
removed it, and did my configure/make/make install of the source one over


I think I need to investigate authentication settings in my ~/.muttrc 
file, and might have to configure SASL since it has a configuration file too


SSL seems to work, but I get this error with SASL

SASL authentication failed

my be as easy as I don't have
smtp_user
smtp_pass
set to the wrong user/pass, or might be the wrong usage of the statements

haven't even got into POP yet, I want my messages left on the server

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Jon LaBadie]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 06:33:10PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/04/2014 12:37 PM, Joshua Smith wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 12:31:26PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/04/2014 09:19 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:
  mutt -v | grep -i smtp
 
 I get this
 
 mutt -v | grep -i smtp
 Configure options: '--enable-pop' '--enable-smtp' '--with-sasl' 
 '--with-ssl'
 +USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
 Is that from the mutt you built by hand or the mutt from apt?  At this
 point its not exactly clear what you've done with regards to installing
 from the repo or building from source.
 
 
 the one from hand, I tried the repository but it didn't work and I removed
 it, and did my configure/make/make install of the source one over
 

The repository version has been found to be suitable by
many, many different users.  No one has been able to get
your hand built version to work.

Please consider the likelyhood that your previous problems
with the repository version were due to your unfamiliarity
with mutt configuration.

Using the repository version would eliminate one large
source of uncertainty.


BTW just to be sure, when you say you add things like
  set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110
to your ~/.muttrc file, that is not literal is it?
I.e. it contains your actual pop server's URL and your
actual user name at that server, correct?

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 07:02 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:

The repository version has been found to be suitable by
many, many different users.  No one has been able to get
your hand built version to work.

Please consider the likelyhood that your previous problems
with the repository version were due to your unfamiliarity
with mutt configuration.

Using the repository version would eliminate one large
source of uncertainty.


Jon, thanks for your recommendation

I had the same configuration problems with the Ubuntu repository one, 
like the source I have to edit ~/.muttrc , kind of the same problems


SSL seems to work
SASL either isn't finding an authentication method, or I am not 
specifying my user/pass correctly in ~/.muttrc


I am getting this
digest-md5 authentication failed, trying next method
SASL authentication failed

I originally wanted to switch from Thunderbird since I was having 
freezes when I used my desktop switcher and mutt/slrn seemed to be some 
memory footprint I could gain


going to put this on the back burner, I slimmed down my Thunderbird, 
thanks EVERYONE for all the help, and any future recommendations


I find no freezes if I select an icon from the icon bar which takes me 
to the desktop it is on, rather than going to the desktop with the switcher


moving a window to a different desktop is the worst freezer, so all I 
can do is configure my desktops and avoid it, or shut down the window 
and open it on a new desktop


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-04-14 20:43]:
 On 11/04/2014 07:02 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
 The repository version has been found to be suitable by
 many, many different users.  No one has been able to get
 your hand built version to work.
 
 Please consider the likelyhood that your previous problems
 with the repository version were due to your unfamiliarity
 with mutt configuration.
 
 Using the repository version would eliminate one large
 source of uncertainty.
 
 Jon, thanks for your recommendation
 
 I had the same configuration problems with the Ubuntu repository one,
 like the source I have to edit ~/.muttrc , kind of the same problems

Everyone who installs mutt *must* edit muttrc, it's the nature of the
beast.
 
 SSL seems to work
 SASL either isn't finding an authentication method, or I am not
 specifying my user/pass correctly in ~/.muttrc

We will never be able to help you as you decline to give direct and
specific answers to *all* of the questions we post.

And your password does not have to reside in .muttrc, it will be
questioned when necessary.

Your claims of many years of linux history are very suspect.

Much time is being wasted.  :^(
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/04/2014 09:16 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Your claims of many years of linux history are very suspect.


I said I was a hack ...

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Chris Green]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 06:56:35PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/02/2014 06:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 *Should*  be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to
 /etc/muttrc
 
 My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc
 
 can't gedit ~/.muttrc (nothing there)
 no /muttrc folder in /etc
 
Remember that mutt will also try to find:-

~/.mutt/muttrc

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[John Long]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 07:28:06PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/02/2014 06:53 PM, John Niendorf wrote:
 Dale,
 
 For what it is worth I have this in my .muttrc file and I am able to
 send and receive securly to my server.

I am using muttrc rather than .muttrc so you should check for both files.

 
 set smtp_url=smtps://j...@jfniendorf.org@secure_server.com/465
 
 Thanks John, I have been working off my Muttrc file, I can't find my
 .muttrc file (might have edited it before, can't remember now)

You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
for config info. Try the following:

$ cd
$ find ./ -name muttrc
$ find ./ -name .muttrc


 
 tried your suggestion for smtp_url, didn't work

If this post hits the list then This Works For Me:

set pop_pass=blahblah
set pop_user=y...@your.com
set pop_host=pops://your.pop.server
set smtp_url=smtp://y...@your.smtp.server
set smtp_pass=blahblah


I see I am not using smtps, will try that shortly. It seems like it has been
using TLS on sends but who knows.

 also reinstalled a couple times

Don't do that unless you're on Windows (didn't read the whole thread).

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote:

You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
for config info.


made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, 
does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should 
be, put it where sample.muttrc was


I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user

make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl'
Making install in doc
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml
/bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found
make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored)
cat instdoc.sh  instdoc
/bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied
make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23'
make: *** [install] Error 2

as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]:
 On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote:
 You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
 for config info.
 
 made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on
 pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this
 file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was

yes, you are very confused.  You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc
either will work.
 
 I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user
 
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl'
 Making install in doc
 make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
 xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml
 /bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found
 make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored)
 cat instdoc.sh  instdoc
 /bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied
 make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1
 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23'
 make: *** [install] Error 2
 
 as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail

user does not have permissions to install outside of /home/user

Are you perhaps somewhat new to linux/unix?
If so, questions or some study should preceed actions unless you have no
problem with reinstalling your *entire* system as much can and does go
amiss with incorrect actions.

ps: happens even for knowledgable users :^(
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[John Niendorf]

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for /home/dale/


John
 

 On 03 Nov 2014, at 17:29, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 * DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]:
 On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote:
 You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
 for config info.
 
 made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on
 pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this
 file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was
 
 yes, you are very confused.  You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc
 either will work.
 
 I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user
 
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl'
 Making install in doc
 make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
 xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml
 /bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found
 make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored)
 cat instdoc.sh  instdoc
 /bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied
 make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1
 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc'
 make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23'
 make: *** [install] Error 2
 
 as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail
 
 user does not have permissions to install outside of /home/user
 
 Are you perhaps somewhat new to linux/unix?
 If so, questions or some study should preceed actions unless you have no
 problem with reinstalling your *entire* system as much can and does go
 amiss with incorrect actions.
 
 ps: happens even for knowledgable users :^(
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/


thanks John, I had a little on the job Unix, and have been hacking at 
Linux for about 15 years, but my attention span isn't as good as it used 
to be


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Chris Green]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 11:29:51AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]:
  On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote:
  You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using
  for config info.
  
  made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on
  pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this
  file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was
 
 yes, you are very confused.  You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc
 either will work.
  
It's ~/.mutt/muttrc


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying 
to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with 
desktop switcher)


get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


(mutt loads but emails sent are not received)

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 12:55 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying
to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with
desktop switcher)

get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


(mutt loads but emails sent are not received)



this page
http://superuser.com/questions/403694/setting-up-mutt-for-gmail

says check mutt's environment variables to see if SMTP is in my 
installation by executing mutt -v

I don't see SMTP anywhere
says POP was enabled in installation, and doesn't have an error from 
.muttrc when I run, like SMTP


I am running version 1.5.1.6 my repository (was 1.5.1.23 from mutt source)

anyone know how to set this variable, +USE_SMTP  ?

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 14:34]:
 On 11/03/2014 12:55 PM, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:
 Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/
 
 
 installed from repository, more recent
 
 set up my ~/.muttrc file
 
 with these additions
 
 set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110
 
 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying
 to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with
 desktop switcher)
 
 get these errors
 
 dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
 Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
 source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
 Press any key to continue...
 
 
 (mutt loads but emails sent are not received)
 
 
 this page
 http://superuser.com/questions/403694/setting-up-mutt-for-gmail
 
 says check mutt's environment variables to see if SMTP is in my
 installation by executing mutt -v
 I don't see SMTP anywhere
 says POP was enabled in installation, and doesn't have an error from
 .muttrc when I run, like SMTP
 
 I am running version 1.5.1.6 my repository (was 1.5.1.23 from mutt source)
 
 anyone know how to set this variable, +USE_SMTP  ?

You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???

I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP  
but I install a package built for my distro.

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Brian Salter-Duke]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 12:55:07PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:
 Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/
 
 
 installed from repository, more recent
 
 set up my ~/.muttrc file
 
 with these additions
 
 set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110
 
 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird,
 trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems
 with desktop switcher)
 
 get these errors
 
 dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
 Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
 source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
 Press any key to continue...

This is pointing to the problem. Look at line 136. Is line 136 the one
you give above:-

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80

Do you have to replace user with your user name? 

When you type mutt -v at the prompt, do you get +USE_SMTP in the
output, or do you get -USE_SMTP? If you get the latter you have not
compiled mutt with SMTP support so it will not recognise smtp_host.

You have the error message. You have the manual. Just search until you
debug this problem.

Brian.
 
 
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???


I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23



I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
but I install a package built for my distro.


I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6

when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP,

no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-)

tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut 
same errors as before



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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 12:55:07PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote:

Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/



installed from repository, more recent

set up my ~/.muttrc file

with these additions

set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80
set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110

(can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird,
trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems
with desktop switcher)

get these errors

dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt
Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable
source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc
Press any key to continue...


This is pointing to the problem. Look at line 136. Is line 136 the one
you give above:-


yes the line numbers match those listed in the errors



set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80

Do you have to replace user with your user name?

When you type mutt -v at the prompt, do you get +USE_SMTP in the
output, or do you get -USE_SMTP? If you get the latter you have not
compiled mutt with SMTP support so it will not recognise smtp_host.


no, doesn't look like SMTP support

and all it says is that pop is enabled no +USE_POP or +USE_POP or -USE_POP



You have the error message. You have the manual. Just search until you
debug this problem.

Brian.



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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Grant Edwards]

On 2014-11-03, DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org wrote:

 no, doesn't look like SMTP support

 and all it says is that pop is enabled no +USE_POP or +USE_POP or -USE_POP

You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:

[cd to mutt source directory]

$ ./configure --enable-smtp
$ make
$ sudo make install

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 16:33]:
 On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???
 
 I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23
 
 
 I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
 but I install a package built for my distro.
 
 I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6
 
 when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP,
 
 no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-)
 
 tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut
 same errors as before

http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Setup

especially: ./configure --help

For an explanation of all the features use ./configure --help of the mutt
source distribution. Most important are USE_POP, USE_IMAP  USE_SSL for
the respective support (recommended), USE_FCNTL  USE_FLOCK for the
file-locking type, HOMESPOOL when delivering new mail to home-dir instead
of system spool-dir, HAVE_COLOR for helpful highlighting of items, and the
[using ncurses...] for the library you want mutt to use to draw its
interface.

You need to look for *definition* of what you want to do.  You are
stabbing in the dark rather than taking a rational approach.  And you
explanations may be very descriptive to you but those trying to help are
trying to fill in blanks w/o knowing actually what you have done.  You
haven't even bothered to provide the step-by-step you use in compiling
mutt.  mutt USE_SMTP really means nothing to me and certainly isn't a
configure line parameter.

What distro are you running? 
Do they provide packages?
Have you tried a provided package of mutt?

Above you say you are using one from the distribution but just before
you say you compiled I did with POP and IMAP enabled.  Did you or did
you not?


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Tom Furie]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 04:32:32PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote:

 I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23

Do you mean 1.5.23?

This is the latest version available.

 I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6

Do you mean 1.5.16, or 1.5.6i?

Version 1.5.16 is from around 2007, 1.5.6i is from around 2004.

If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions
mentioned here.

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:

You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps:

[cd to mutt source directory]

$ ./configure --enable-smtp
$ make
$ sudo make install


previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote:

If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions
mentioned here.


everything in 1.5.1.23 working except
SMTP authentication requires SASL

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 05:21 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 16:33]:

On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ???


I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23



I have: +USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP
but I install a package built for my distro.


I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6

when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP,

no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-)

tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut
same errors as before


http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Setup

especially: ./configure --help

For an explanation of all the features use ./configure --help of the mutt
source distribution. Most important are USE_POP, USE_IMAP  USE_SSL for
the respective support (recommended), USE_FCNTL  USE_FLOCK for the
file-locking type, HOMESPOOL when delivering new mail to home-dir instead
of system spool-dir, HAVE_COLOR for helpful highlighting of items, and the
[using ncurses...] for the library you want mutt to use to draw its
interface.

You need to look for *definition* of what you want to do.  You are
stabbing in the dark rather than taking a rational approach.  And you
explanations may be very descriptive to you but those trying to help are
trying to fill in blanks w/o knowing actually what you have done.  You
haven't even bothered to provide the step-by-step you use in compiling
mutt.  mutt USE_SMTP really means nothing to me and certainly isn't a
configure line parameter.

What distro are you running?
Do they provide packages?
Have you tried a provided package of mutt?

Above you say you are using one from the distribution but just before
you say you compiled I did with POP and IMAP enabled.  Did you or did
you not?




apologies Patrick, I have a short attention span and tend to hack at 
some point


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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 20:52]:
 [...]
 
 apologies Patrick, I have a short attention span and tend to hack at
 some point

And we still have no knowledge :^(

You have not answered the questons that provide information necessary to
assist you.

???

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 08:44 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote:

If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions
mentioned here.


everything in 1.5.1.23 working except
SMTP authentication requires SASL



sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libsasl2-2 is already the newest version.

already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/03/2014 09:43 PM, DaleKelly wrote:


sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libsasl2-2 is already the newest version.

already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc


tried --with-sasl[=PFX] on configure
tried PFX
tried various locations where sasl was listed
(might have to find where sasl is listed)

get the following error:
configure: error: could not find sasl lib

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[John Niendorf]

I have to ask.
Dale what distro are you using?
Why are you trying to install mutt from scratch when there is probably a
fine version in the repository?

Install from the repository and configure the .muttrc file (I would put
that file in ~/)  This should avoid any problems like mutt not being
configured for SMTP.

John


On 11/04/2014 04:41 AM, DaleKelly wrote:
 On 11/03/2014 09:43 PM, DaleKelly wrote:

 sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 libsasl2-2 is already the newest version.

 already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc
 
 tried --with-sasl[=PFX] on configure
 tried PFX
 tried various locations where sasl was listed
 (might have to find where sasl is listed)
 
 get the following error:
 configure: error: could not find sasl lib
 

pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

I tried on the #mutt channel with no answer
I tried the suggestions on comp.mail.mutt group

I am trying to add secure pop and secure smtp in my 1.5.23 Muttrc file 
(I can't find my .muttrc file and I think I may have edited before)


here are the only lines I added to my Muttrc file that was there on 
installation:


set realname = dale
set from = d...@dalekelly.org
set use_from = no
set envelope_from =yes



smtps://[user[:password]@]smtpout.secureserver.net[:465]
pops://[user[:password]@]pop.secureserver.net[:995]

I read man mutt
I read the doc(s) in my mutt-1.5.23/doc folder

any assistance?

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-02-14 18:00]:
 I tried on the #mutt channel with no answer
 I tried the suggestions on comp.mail.mutt group
 
 I am trying to add secure pop and secure smtp in my 1.5.23 Muttrc
 file (I can't find my .muttrc file and I think I may have edited
 before)

*Should* be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to
/etc/muttrc

My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc
 
 here are the only lines I added to my Muttrc file that was there on
 installation:
 
 set realname = dale
 set from = d...@dalekelly.org
 set use_from = no
 set envelope_from =yes
 
 
 
 smtps://[user[:password]@]smtpout.secureserver.net[:465]
 pops://[user[:password]@]pop.secureserver.net[:995]
 
 I read man mutt
 I read the doc(s) in my mutt-1.5.23/doc folder
 
 any assistance?

probably:
 mailboxes smtps://[user[:password]@]smtpout.secureserver.net[:465]
 mailboxes  pops://[user[:password]@]pop.secureserver.net[:995]

 
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[John Niendorf]

Dale,

For what it is worth I have this in my .muttrc file and I am able to send 
and receive securly to my server.


set smtp_url=smtps://j...@jfniendorf.org@secure_server.com/465
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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/02/2014 06:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

*Should*  be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to
/etc/muttrc

My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc


can't gedit ~/.muttrc (nothing there)
no /muttrc folder in /etc

tried putting the mailboxes edit in from of my smtps and pops lines 
but still I get no email where I send it, no error message I can see


where are error messages?

I looked a little at configuring debug, but I don't know ...

trying to get a smaller memory footprint than my GUI email/news

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[DaleKelly]

On 11/02/2014 06:53 PM, John Niendorf wrote:

Dale,

For what it is worth I have this in my .muttrc file and I am able to
send and receive securly to my server.

set smtp_url=smtps://j...@jfniendorf.org@secure_server.com/465


Thanks John, I have been working off my Muttrc file, I can't find my 
.muttrc file (might have edited it before, can't remember now)


tried your suggestion for smtp_url, didn't work

I install 1.5.23 with pop and IMAP enabled, I didn't see an enable for 
smtp in the README or INSTALL file


also reinstalled a couple times

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Re: pop(s),smtp(s)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-02-14 18:59]:
 On 11/02/2014 06:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 *Should*  be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to
 /etc/muttrc
 
 My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc
 
 can't gedit ~/.muttrc (nothing there)
 no /muttrc folder in /etc
 
 tried putting the mailboxes edit in from of my smtps and pops lines
 but still I get no email where I send it, no error message I can see
 
 where are error messages?
 
 I looked a little at configuring debug, but I don't know ...
 
 trying to get a smaller memory footprint than my GUI email/news

My err, it is not /etc/muttrc, but /etc/Muttrc.  And case is important
in linux.  You more than likely do not have ~/.muttrc unless you copied it
there or constructed it from scratch.

Copy /etc/Muttrc to ~/.muttrc
change permissions to your user and users
then edit it to suit.

google for muttrc and use the examples to make your ~/.muttrc suit your
particular preferences.  There are *many* samples but take the time to
understand what you do.

The mutt man pages are quite good.  Pay particular attention to:
  man muttrc
  
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inbuilt pop and procmail

[Srikrishan Malik]

Hello,

  I am using the inbuilt pop and smtp for gmail.
Is there a way to forward all received emails from pop server to
procmail instead of putting those to the spoolfile?

Thanks
Sri

Re: inbuilt pop and procmail

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Srikrishan Malik srikrishanma...@gmail.com [06-24-14 02:02]:
   I am using the inbuilt pop and smtp for gmail.
 Is there a way to forward all received emails from pop server to
 procmail instead of putting those to the spoolfile?

Not directly using mutt, but a simple matter using fetchmail or another
mail retrieval agent.  I use fetchmail.

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Re: inbuilt pop and procmail

[Srikrishan Malik]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:47:45PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Srikrishan Malik srikrishanma...@gmail.com [06-24-14 02:02]:
I am using the inbuilt pop and smtp for gmail.
  Is there a way to forward all received emails from pop server to
  procmail instead of putting those to the spoolfile?
 
 Not directly using mutt, but a simple matter using fetchmail or another
 mail retrieval agent.  I use fetchmail.

Yeah, I shifted to that mode last night. 
I tried to change code to call procmail after a mail is fetched, but
it does not seem that simple. I will try again when I get some time.

 
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Re: inbuilt pop and procmail

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Srikrishan Malik srikrishanma...@gmail.com [06-24-14 23:30]:
 On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:47:45PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
  * Srikrishan Malik srikrishanma...@gmail.com [06-24-14 02:02]:
 I am using the inbuilt pop and smtp for gmail.
   Is there a way to forward all received emails from pop server to
   procmail instead of putting those to the spoolfile?
  
  Not directly using mutt, but a simple matter using fetchmail or another
  mail retrieval agent.  I use fetchmail.
 
 Yeah, I shifted to that mode last night. 
 I tried to change code to call procmail after a mail is fetched, but
 it does not seem that simple. I will try again when I get some time.

iiuc, mutt's internal pop is actually reading mail on the server somewhat
similar to imap, ie: you do not really have a local copy stored, ie: mutt
is not a MRA, but a mail reader/client.

I guess you could pipe the current email to procmail for local storage,
ie:
  | formail -ds procmail

this would use the procmail recipies and store mail accordingly.

But you can save or copy the current email to the file/directory of your
choice, also .
  
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Re: inbuilt pop and procmail

[Jon LaBadie]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 08:59:59AM +0530, Srikrishan Malik wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:47:45PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
  * Srikrishan Malik srikrishanma...@gmail.com [06-24-14 02:02]:
 I am using the inbuilt pop and smtp for gmail.
   Is there a way to forward all received emails from pop server to
   procmail instead of putting those to the spoolfile?
  
  Not directly using mutt, but a simple matter using fetchmail or another
  mail retrieval agent.  I use fetchmail.
 
 Yeah, I shifted to that mode last night. 
 I tried to change code to call procmail after a mail is fetched, but
 it does not seem that simple. I will try again when I get some time.

I use fetchmail to get email from a pop server.  It is
fed to procmail via a ~/.forward file.  The contents
are | /usr/bin/procmail.

HTH,
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Retrieve POP mail automatically?

[John Long]

Is there any way to retrieve pop mail automatically in mutt itself rather
than using fetchmail etc.? 

Thanks.

/jl

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Re: Retrieve POP mail automatically?

[Dale Raby]

On 12/16/2012 10:37 AM, John Long wrote:
 Is there any way to retrieve pop mail automatically in mutt itself rather
 than using fetchmail etc.? 

 Thanks.

 /jl

The short answer is yes.  The long answer is, maybe, if your
particular Mutt is compiled with the POP support option.

You will also have to have the proper entries in your .muttrc file. 
Google up mutt, pop support.  There are all kinds of websites out
there that detail the setup.

You might wish to consider using IMAP instead.  This protocol keeps the
message on the server where you can access it again from, say, the
computer at the public library.  POP3 will also allow this, but it is
not the default behavior in most cases.

Good luck in training your Mutt.  It can be challenging, but is usually
worth the effort, even if, as in my case, you don't always use it.

Dale



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Re: Retrieve POP mail automatically?

[John Long]

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:37:29AM -0600, Dale Raby wrote:
 On 12/16/2012 10:37 AM, John Long wrote:
  Is there any way to retrieve pop mail automatically in mutt itself rather
  than using fetchmail etc.? 
 
  Thanks.
 
  /jl
 
 The short answer is yes.  The long answer is, maybe, if your
 particular Mutt is compiled with the POP support option.

I compiled Mutt with POP and can fetch and send mail no problem. What I
don't know how to do is make Mutt fetch the mail automatically. I tried 

set mail_check=600

thinking every ten minutes it would try to pull mail from the pop
server. This doesn't seem to happen. I guess that setting has to do with
Mutt checking the folders for new mail.

Is there a way to get Mutt to fetch pop mail automatically at intervals?

Re: Retrieve POP mail automatically?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Dale Raby daler...@gmail.com [12-16-12 12:40]:
 [...]
 You might wish to consider using IMAP instead.  This protocol keeps the
 message on the server where you can access it again from, say, the
 computer at the public library.  POP3 will also allow this, but it is
 not the default behavior in most cases.

Or an alternative to imap and/or retaining pop mail on server.

I dl *all* mail to my local box and ssh from outside to an active
screen/tmux session.  This way I can keep all my mail in a manner I want
and still see it from anywhere from any internet connected computer.

And the persistent screen/tmux session retains my mutt session as I left
it.  My local tmux session provides me instant access to five local
computers merely by accessing the session.

And I carry a usb flash stick with cygwin that provides me an xterm screen
on windowz boxes.


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Re: Retrieve POP mail automatically?

[John Long]

Dale wrote:

 http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html
 
 Item 4.10
 
 I think the item you want is the pop_checkinterval variable
 
 The default is 60 seconds

Thanks I just tried that after I posted my previous response. It doesn't
work either (but it sure looked like it should!)

Odd keymapping after failed /aborted attempt to open POP account

[Christoph Möbius]

I have a multi-account scenario where I use an IMAP folder as main account and
have several POP accounts for minor communication / spam box.

Assumme that opening the IMAP folder is mapped to the F2 key and opening the POP
accounts to some other F-keys.

Recently, the POP provider changed its certificates and the name in the cert no
longer matches the URL. Being slightly cautious, I abort opening the pop
account(rejecting the cert). Now, that raises several problems:

1) Pressing F2 (to get back to the main account) won't work. Mutt says that no
mailbox is opened. So I need to type the mailbox name: imaps://accountname

2) In my main account some key mappings are changed and show very odd behavior:
   Pressing c ? should give the list of all folders, but Mutt rather gives me
   an errno = 2. However, I can open a folder when typing its name directly,
   e.g. c =Sent.
   Pressing q should quit the index view (and also list all folders), but rather
   it a) tags the message that is currently under the cursor and b) opens the
   pager to compose a reply message. The only way I figured out so far to help 
   me here is pressing C-c which is obviously not very desireable.

I use mutt 1.5.20-7ubuntu1.1


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server pop

[Stéphane Ortega]

Hello,

I'm a french and novice user of mutt.
I would like to know how to configure mutt for received messages from two 
server pop.

I've put in my muttrc :
set pop_host=pop.free.fr:110
account-hook . 'unset pop_user; unset pop_pass; unset tunnel'
account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***'
#account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER2 pop_pass=***'

but I received messages from only one server...
Could you help me please ?

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Re: server pop

[du yang]

Hello,

if you have two accounts on the same server,
you may set the account-hooks like this,

account-hook pop://us...@pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***'
account-hook pop://us...@pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***'

hope it could help you.

- du yang

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 18:04 +0100, St閜hane Ortega wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm a french and novice user of mutt.
 I would like to know how to configure mutt for received messages from two 
 server pop.
 
 I've put in my muttrc :
 set pop_host=pop.free.fr:110
 account-hook . 'unset pop_user; unset pop_pass; unset tunnel'
 account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***'
 #account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER2 pop_pass=***'
 
 but I received messages from only one server...
 Could you help me please ?
 

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Re: server pop

[du yang]

Hi,

sorry for a typing error in the last post. it should be,
account-hook pop://us...@pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***' 
   
account-hook pop://us...@pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER2 pop_pass=***' 

- du yang

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 18:04 +0100, St閜hane Ortega wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm a french and novice user of mutt.
 I would like to know how to configure mutt for received messages from two 
 server pop.
 
 I've put in my muttrc :
 set pop_host=pop.free.fr:110
 account-hook . 'unset pop_user; unset pop_pass; unset tunnel'
 account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER1 pop_pass=***'
 #account-hook pop://pop.free.fr:110/ 'set pop_user=USER2 pop_pass=***'
 
 but I received messages from only one server...
 Could you help me please ?
 

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configuring POP server access

[Paul E Condon]

I need advice on setting the pop_host variable.

I have fetchmail working and successfully downloading email, but for
complex reasons of personal taste, I want to be able to use the G command.

The URL of the server is pop.everyone.com
My email address is pecon...@mesanetworks.net
When using fetchmail I use the fully qualified email address as my userID
I know my password for sure because it is passed the fetchmail command,
and that works.

I have tried 
:set pop_host=pop://pecon...@mesanetworks.net@pop.everyone.com
and then uppercase G command.

I get a request for my password, which I answer (proves that Pop support
is compiled into my particular Mutt)
Some progress reports ending in PASS: Authorization failed.

I have also tried inserting the password into set_host per the User Manual,
but this also fails.

I think Mutt may be confused by the TWO @s in the string. But that is 
puzzling because it seems to be collecting to a pop server which asks for
a password. 

I'd be happy to run some debuging, but need to be told exactly what to type.



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Re: configuring POP server access [SOLVED] Stupid typing error

[Paul E Condon]

Replace a comma with a dot and it works.
My Bad.

On 20100524_141522, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I need advice on setting the pop_host variable.
 
 I have fetchmail working and successfully downloading email, but for
 complex reasons of personal taste, I want to be able to use the G command.
 
 The URL of the server is pop.everyone.com
 My email address is pecon...@mesanetworks.net
 When using fetchmail I use the fully qualified email address as my userID
 I know my password for sure because it is passed the fetchmail command,
 and that works.
 
 I have tried 
 :set pop_host=pop://pecon...@mesanetworks.net@pop.everyone.com
 and then uppercase G command.
 
 I get a request for my password, which I answer (proves that Pop support
 is compiled into my particular Mutt)
 Some progress reports ending in PASS: Authorization failed.
 
 I have also tried inserting the password into set_host per the User Manual,
 but this also fails.
 
 I think Mutt may be confused by the TWO @s in the string. But that is 
 puzzling because it seems to be collecting to a pop server which asks for
 a password. 
 
 I'd be happy to run some debuging, but need to be told exactly what to type.
 
 
 
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Re: configuring POP server access

[JP Bruns]

Paul E Condon [24.Mai.2010 22:15]:


I need advice on setting the pop_host variable.

I have fetchmail working and successfully downloading email, but for
complex reasons of personal taste, I want to be able to use the G
command.

The URL of the server is pop.everyone.com My email address is
pecon...@mesanetworks.net When using fetchmail I use the fully
qualified email address as my userID I know my password for sure
because it is passed the fetchmail command, and that works.


I have something similar, that is, an email as a username.


I have tried :set
pop_host=pop://pecon...@mesanetworks.net@pop.everyone.com and then
uppercase G command.

I get a request for my password, which I answer (proves that Pop
support is compiled into my particular Mutt) Some progress reports
ending in PASS: Authorization failed.

I have also tried inserting the password into set_host per the User
Manual, but this also fails.

I think Mutt may be confused by the TWO @s in the string. But that is
puzzling because it seems to be collecting to a pop server which asks
for a password.

I'd be happy to run some debuging, but need to be told exactly what to
type.


That very same problem occurs here, too. I got around it by specifying
pop_user=u...@domain and never thought about it again.

Just a legit workaround I guess. Would be nice to know why there is a
hickup with the loginwit...@pop.domain anyway or how to solve that.


JP

Re: configuring POP server access

[Paul E Condon]

On 05/24/2010 03:48 PM, JP Bruns wrote:

Paul E Condon [24.Mai.2010 22:15]:


I need advice on setting the pop_host variable.

I have fetchmail working and successfully downloading email, but for
complex reasons of personal taste, I want to be able to use the G
command.

The URL of the server is pop.everyone.com My email address is
pecon...@mesanetworks.net When using fetchmail I use the fully
qualified email address as my userID I know my password for sure
because it is passed the fetchmail command, and that works.


I have something similar, that is, an email as a username.


I have tried :set
pop_host=pop://pecon...@mesanetworks.net@pop.everyone.com and then
uppercase G command.

I get a request for my password, which I answer (proves that Pop
support is compiled into my particular Mutt) Some progress reports
ending in PASS: Authorization failed.

I have also tried inserting the password into set_host per the User
Manual, but this also fails.

I think Mutt may be confused by the TWO @s in the string. But that is
puzzling because it seems to be collecting to a pop server which asks
for a password.

I'd be happy to run some debuging, but need to be told exactly what to
type.


That very same problem occurs here, too. I got around it by specifying
pop_user=u...@domain and never thought about it again.

Just a legit workaround I guess. Would be nice to know why there is a
hickup with the loginwit...@pop.domain anyway or how to solve that.


JP


Thanks. It works for me to. I guess less info. helps sometimes.

Re: pop-last=yes isn't working?

[Michael]

* Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net [2009-04-19 11:28:23 -0500]:

  
  I doubt many people use the fetch-mail function to download POP mail 
  using mutt since there're some specialized mail download tools. Why not 
  use of them?
 
 So if i used something like fetchmail to get the mail and then let mutt
 view the mails, would more less enable to do what i am trying to do?
 
 For the moment, using mutt to fetch the mail, and deleting them from the
 server, really isn't a deal breaker for me. If fetchmail is pretty
 straight forward i might try looking at that.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 Russ
  

getmail and fetchmail both can work that way with proper switches. 
I have used them both and then set them up with a crontab.

Mike

Re: pop-last=yes isn't working?

[Rocco Rutte]

Hi,

* Kyle Wheeler wrote:
 On Saturday, April 18 at 03:29 PM, quoth Russell Urquhart:

  I read through the docs and set the pop_last = yes, thinking this would 
  force mutt not to redownload messages it already has downloaded.
 
 Generally, mutt should avoid downloading messages it knows about... 
 but I don't know how good mutt's POP3 UIDL support is. If it has 
 broken UIDL support, then yes, $pop_last would help. Or, I should 
 rephrase that: COULD help.

Well, it supports UIDL only for normal folder operations. LAST is only
used for the fetch-mail function. For UIDL to work with fetch-mail,
mutt would need to cache all UIDLs it already saw.

It doesn't even support body cache, which could be helpful here since
messages are numbered by UIDL there. It's not implemented because fewer
users than the critical mass seem to miss this feature and want to see
fetch-mail work... :)

Rocco

Re: pop-last=yes isn't working?

[Russell Urquhart]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 02:46:39PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Well, it supports UIDL only for normal folder operations. LAST is only
 used for the fetch-mail function. For UIDL to work with fetch-mail,
 mutt would need to cache all UIDLs it already saw.
 
 It doesn't even support body cache, which could be helpful here since
 messages are numbered by UIDL there. It's not implemented because fewer
 users than the critical mass seem to miss this feature and want to see
 fetch-mail work... :)
 

As i was telling Kyle, off list, the default Apple Mail client, as well
as other mail clients i have tried, handle this. I just thought with all
the functionality that mutt does provide, this would be a no brainer.
But from what you and Kyle have told me, there is no way to have mutt
pull a copy of the messages from the server, leave them there for other
applicaations, and then not pull down messages it has already
downloaded? Are other applications handling this within the software
itself?

Thanks,


Russ

Re: pop-last=yes isn't working?

[Rocco Rutte]

Hi,

* Russell Urquhart wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 02:46:39PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote:

  It doesn't even support body cache, which could be helpful here since
  messages are numbered by UIDL there. It's not implemented because fewer
  users than the critical mass seem to miss this feature and want to see
  fetch-mail work... :)

 As i was telling Kyle, off list, the default Apple Mail client, as well
 as other mail clients i have tried, handle this.

Yes, probably because they have caches. They view the mailbox and leave 
the mail on the server if one configures them to. In mutt, when you open 
a POP mailbox, it does the same thing: leave mail on the server (except 
you delete it), fetch messages just once (with header and/or body 
caching) etc. It even should support distinction between unread and new 
messages which other clients don't support, with an updateable hcache it  
can easily support flagging and other message status flags.

When hitting 'G' to fetch mail from a POP server, this something totally 
different and not the same as viewing a mailbox as in other clients.

 I just thought with all
 the functionality that mutt does provide, this would be a no brainer.

I doubt many people use the fetch-mail function to download POP mail 
using mutt since there're some specialized mail download tools. Why not 
use of them?

Remembering which messages are really new is basically easy to solve 
except one thing: mutt already supports two very different types of 
optional caches. I don't know whether it makes sense to add yet another 
one just to cache UIDLs for fetch-mail that is rarely used.

Rocco

pop-last=yes isn't working?

[Russell Urquhart]

Hi All,

I am accessing my pop via smtp and everything is working fine. Whenever
i download mail, it asks if i want to delete them from the server. If i
don't the next time i check, mutt has downlaoded them again. If i DO
remove them from the server, my phone, or web access cannot find those
mails.

I read through the docs and set the pop_last = yes, thinking this would
force mutt not to redownload messages it already has downloaded.

When i tried this however, it doesn't seem to make difference.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks,


Russ

Bug in send-hook? Offline mode for pop?

[amscopub-blender]

I actually have two questions:

1. Is there an offline mode for pop? Something similar to kmail -- where it 
doesn't connect to the server unless you *explicitly* tell it to? It seems that 
mutt always connects to the pop server even after changing the 
pop_checkinterval to 10 minutes.

2. I added a send-hook as per a tutorial on the web and tips on the irc 
channel. However, it doesn't work as expected. It only works the *2nd* time you 
try to send a message. Let me explain more clearly: I want a send-hook that 
changes the content type whenever I send a message to foo. HOWEVER, the 1st 
time that I send a message to foo, it does *not* change the content type. If 
I try to send another message, the content type is changed. Any ideas? Is this 
a bug? This is the rule that I'm using:

send-hook '^foo.*$' 'set content_type=text/plain'

I have no other send-hooks.

I'm using Mutt 1.5.18.

--Thanks and God bless!

Uriel Avalos

Re: Bug in send-hook? Offline mode for pop?

[Rado S]

=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed 15.Oct'08 at  7:18:33 -0700 -=

 2. I added a send-hook as per a tutorial on the web and tips on
 the irc channel. It only works the *2nd* time you try to send a
 message.

send-hook vs. send2-hook.

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Re: Bug in send-hook? Offline mode for pop?

[Kyle Wheeler]

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On Wednesday, October 15 at 07:18 AM, quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 1. Is there an offline mode for pop? Something similar to kmail -- 
 where it doesn't connect to the server unless you *explicitly* tell 
 it to? It seems that mutt always connects to the pop server even 
 after changing the pop_checkinterval to 10 minutes.

Not really. The way to think about mutt is that it's a mailbox viewer. 
If you want to see the contents of a POP3 mailbox, you have to 
connect. And then, once connected, there's no reason to *close* the 
connection if you're still looking at messages stored on the server. 
Mutt doesn't have an offline mode for *anything*. However, you can 
probably get what you want using multiple tools. For example, you 
could use something like fetchmail to periodically copy the contents 
of your pop3 server to a local folder, and then use mutt to view the 
contents of that folder.

 send-hook '^foo.*$' 'set content_type=text/plain'

The reason this isn't doing what you want is that mutt is consulting 
the contents of the $content_type variable BEFORE running the 
send-hook. So the send-hook is changing the value of $content_type, 
but since mutt's already used the contents of that variable for 
something, the change isn't reflected in the message you're sending. 
(This is probably a bug - you can report it to http://bugs.mutt.org) 
Then, when you send a second message, the $content_type variable has 
already been changed, so it is applied to this second message.

You can work around this like so:

 send-hook '^foo' 'push edit-typekill-linetext/plainenter'

 I have no other send-hooks.

That's *probably* a mistake. Send-hooks do not set up a temporary 
environment that disappears as soon as the message is sent. Send-hooks 
execute commands whenever a message is sent that matches their 
pattern. Thus, if you want to change some setting for just some 
recipients, you have to change it back for all other recipients. The 
usual way to do this is with two send-hooks: one to change the 
setting, and one to change it back. Like so:

 send-hook .  'set setting=defaultvalue'
 send-hook '^foo' 'set setting=foovalue'

~Kyle
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Problems with mutt and POP

[T. Horsnell]

At present, mail is delivered to ~user/mbox on the same box
that we all log into for our normal computation.
We are shortly due to split the mail function off to a
dedicated mailer (running dovecot), and users will then
have to retrieve their email by imap or pop from it.

Pop would seem to give us an easy way of keeping our
mail folders on the local login machine, just as we
have at present, and to just retrieve the new stuff
from the new mailer.
I've been experimenting with mutt using pop on the
new system, and have a problem:

I cant get it to automatically delete read mail from the
remote spoolfile. It wont even prompt me with a yes-no option.
I've tried setting pop_delete and/or delete to 'yes'
and 'ask-yes' but no joy. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Terry

My .muttrc is:

set pop_delete = yes
set askcc = yes
set use_domain = no
###set confirmappend = no
set editor = nano -w
set sort = reverse-date-received
###set delete = yes
set folder = ~/mail
###set spoolfile = ~/mbox
set spoolfile = pop://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
set mbox = =r
set print = ask-yes
set print_command = a2ps -1 -f8.0 -o - | lpr -Plaser1
set record = =s
mailboxes ~/mbox =s =r =DELETED
###set move = yes
set include = yes
#these macros define:
#the key 'd' to mean 'put the message into the DELETED folder' 
#the key 'D' to mean 'throw the message away'
#thus 'D' is the way to delete a single message from the DELETED folder
#(rather than delete the whole folder)
macro index d save-message=DELETEDenterenter
macro index D delete-message

 

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