navigation
Running mutt and mutt-patched 1.5.17 with the side panel listing mailboxes on Ubuntu Hardy. I can't find a way to navigate in this list other than by using c and ?. Is the side panel functional or just informative? I run mutt and mutt-patched 1.5.18 in Debian Lenny and it exhibits the same behavior. I searched the various online lists of mutt commands and web sites and found nothing useful. I get the feeling that c is the way by design. Any pointers,corrections, etc gratefully accepted. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: navigation
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Tim Tebbit wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Running mutt and mutt-patched 1.5.17 with the side panel listing mailboxes on Ubuntu Hardy. I can't find a way to navigate in this list other than by using c and ?. Is the side panel functional or just informative? I run mutt and mutt-patched 1.5.18 in Debian Lenny and it exhibits the same behavior. Possibly # Sidebar keys bind index \CP sidebar-prev bind index \CN sidebar-next bind index \CO sidebar-open bind pager \CP sidebar-prev bind pager \CN sidebar-next bind pager \CO sidebar-open Just got the time to try this. Works great. I can navigate the sidebar but the only way I can navigate the pager is with the arrow keys and that's fine with me. I'll have some more questions shortly. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
smtp in mutt
I'm running mutt 1.5.17+20080114. Everything I read online says mutt is not an MTA but mutt -v shows +USE_SMTP. Is this contradictory? Can someone further my education? Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
not a mailbox
I posted this question recently but I can't remember to what list. Searhing archives yields nothing. My apologies if this is a duplication. When reading mail from my Debian 5.02 laptop Mutt won't read messages on the support-firefox list giving the error message that support-firefox is not a mailbox. The kicker is that mutt on my Ubuntu Hardy desktop doesn't exhibit this behavior. Both computers have identical ~/.muttrc files, one having been copied over to the other. I'm at a loss as where to begin troubleshooting this. Any help would be appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: not a mailbox[SOLVED]
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Rado S wrote: =- Robert Holtzman wrote on Tue 4.Aug'09 at 0:34:22 -0700 -= When reading mail from my Debian 5.02 laptop Mutt won't read messages on the support-firefox list giving the error message that support-firefox is not a mailbox. The kicker is that mutt on my Ubuntu Hardy desktop doesn't exhibit this behavior. Both computers have identical ~/.muttrc files, one having been copied over to the other. Compare the mailbox files, check the 'From ' lines. You're right. When I set up the laptop I screwed up and didn't name the firefox file exactly like I had it on the desktop box. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
several issues w/ mutt
I'm just getting started with mutt and have 6 different issues (so far) that I would like some help on. What is the list's preference? Include all 6 in 1 post or split them up in different threads? -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
specifying a browser
According to the mutt manual, to start a www browser an external program has to be downloaded from ftp://ftp.guug.de/pub/mutt/contrib/. The problem is I get a Failed to Connect error. I can connect to www.guug.de but, of course that does me no good. Any ideas welcomed. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
mailbox list problem
I set up my mailing lists to include +list-exim-users. Starting mutt gives the error: Error in /home/holtzm/.muttrc, line 320: +list-exim-users: unknown command source: errors in /home/hotzm/.muttrc Press any key to contiue... Hitting a key continues with normal operation, all mailboxes being shown and readable. ls mail | grep exim gives [hol...@localhost]~$ ls mail | grep exim list-exim-users Everything was working until I added some mailboxes to the list. In the process I screwed up some entries, exim-users being one. The problem began after I corrected the entries. The list-exim-users entry existed before I made the changes and caused no problem, the other entries that I corrected cause no problem. At this point I have no clue how to troubleshoot this. Thanks for any input. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: mailbox list problem
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:38:10AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Sunday, August 9 at 09:14 PM, quoth Robert Holtzman: The problem was that I stupidly modified the list of mail lists to duplicate the list of mailboxes. When I went back and realized what I had done I restored both lists from my backup (let's hear it for backups!)and added the rkhunter and sounder lists. Now I'm getting this error message: Error in /home/holtzm/.muttrc, line 298: +saved-slrn-user: unknown command source: errors in /home/holtzm/.muttrc Press any key to continue... Generally speaking, that means that you have a line that starts with “+saved-slrn-usr”, rather than with a regular command. #mailboxes ! +mutt-dev +mutt-users +open-pgp +wmaker +hurricane +vim +ietf \ 287 # +drums 288 289 290 mailboxes ! +INCOMING +list-Chevelle +list-PLUG-discuss +list-alpine-info \ 291 +list-clamav +list-debian-users +list-exim-users +list-firefox-support \ 292 +list-gnupg-users +list-mondo-devel +list-mutt-users +list-openoffice-discuss \ 293 +list-openoffice-users +list-procmail +list-slrn-user +list-ubuntu-users +spam \ 294 +list-rkhunter +list-sounder +list+saved-alpine +saved-Chevelle +saved-clamav \ 295 +saved-debian-users +saved-firefox-support +saved-gnupg-users +saved-mondo-devel \ 296 +saved-mutt-users +saved-openoffice-users +saved-PLUG +saved-procmail \ 297 +saved-slrn-user +saved-ubuntu-users +saved-messages \ 298 #mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/*` Two things: first, I think you have a space at the end of line 295 (after the backslash), which breaks the line wrapping. Second, you told mutt to connect lines 297 and 298 (with the backslash at the end), so mutt identifies the whole line by it’s last line number. That nailed it. I never would have caught it. The line wrapping is weird but you can follow it. When I get into trouble like that, I always first glue the wrapped lines back together. You have no idea how often (or in how many different programs) doing that has revealed to me that I had a simple line-wrapping error, rather than some other problem. That tip is worth a lot of beer if you're ever in the area. (Do you know what the + is there for?) As a matter of fact no. Explain, please. I thought not - lots of folks get tripped up by that. It’s actually a shortcut for a mailbox specification. Both the + symbol and the = symbol can be used when specifying a mailbox name as a shorthand for the value of $folder. Think of it this way (I’m using example names here): the mailboxes command expects FULL PATHS to mailboxes, like this: mailboxes /home/myname/mail/inbox /home/myname/mail/lists But that’s a lot to type, and can make the list of mailboxes hard to read. BUT, you can do this instead: set folder=/home/myname/mail mailboxes +inbox +lists The equals sign is a synonym for the plus sign in this context, and can be used as well, if you prefer it: set folder=/home/myname/mail mailboxes =inbox =lists This can be especially useful when using things like imap, where $folder is something big and ugly like “imaps://user:passw...@imap.server.com/INBOX”. That's the kind of information I have never bee able to get running searches and reading docs. What, specifically, are you trying to do? I mean, you can literally start a www browser in an external program by doing this: !firefox Not sure where in ~/.muttrc to put this. I didn’t say you put that in your muttrc, I said you’d “do” that, by which I mean “this is a key sequence to press while running mutt.” Sorry if I was unclear. By default, the exclamation mark (pressed while mutt is running) tells mutt to get ready to run a shell command. Once you press that, type in “firefox” (or whatever command to launch a web browser), and hit return. That will cause mutt to run that command. But that’s just a way to “launch a web browser”, not a way to send URLs from your email to that browser. Pardon my seeming ingratitude but from your description, it doesn't seem to do any more than if I switched workspaces, opened FF and pasted in the url. Did I miss something? Nope, that’s exactly right. I didn’t quite understand what you were trying to do, so that seemed as good an answer as any other. I was hoping to duplicate slrn's capability of showing a menu with all the urls in the message allowing you to highlight one and hit return. That opens the browser in the ~/.slrnrc file and loads the selected url. I ran across the urlscan package in the repository and installed it. The description indicates that it is at least close to what I want. Haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I noticed that I had inadvertantly replied directly to you a couple of times instead of to the list. My apologies. Many thanks for walking me thru all this. Coming
strange results w/ m command
After Mutt working well for a week or so, issuing m to compose a new message now results in opening the postponed-msgs mailbox. It also disables scrolling in the side pane using ^p and ^n. The only change to ~.muttrc I've made was to add some mailboxes. Don't recall if postponed-msgs was one. For the record I'm running Ubuntu Hardy and the Ubuntu version of Mutt 1.5.17. This problem also exists on my laptop running the identical setup. Any ideas appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: strange results w/ m command[SOLVED]
I just realised I inadvertantly replied directly to the sender instead of to the list. My apologies. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:41:18AM +1000, Jaime Tarrant wrote: This sounds to me like you have a postponed message - in this case, when you go to compose a new message again, mutt brings back the postponed message that you where last working on. What happens if you either send the message that keeps popping up, or say no to sending it (and do not postpone it again)? Following this, mutt should hopefully open the new message dialog as expected again. The problem was that the mailbox names in the .muttrc file didn't exactly mirror the names in ~/mail, ie mutt instead of list-mutt. I had read on a web site that it wasn't necessary to do this but either the site was wrong or I misinterpreted it. As soon as I made the correction everything works. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: more strange behavior
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:16:35AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: Hi, * Robert Holtzman wrote: After getting the weirdness with the m command sorted out, a new problem cropped up. When Mutt first opens it reads all the mailboxes over and over and over. What makes you think so? A progress indicator at the bottom? What does it say exactly? The indicator says it's reading /home/holtzm/mail/xx and cycles through the mailboxes anything from 2-4 times before it opens the first one. This goes on for ~60 seconds after which my INCOMING mailbox opens. At this point issuing any command, be it the up or down arrows, ^n, ^p,w,q or any other results in Mutt rereading all the mailboxes over and over and over. While this is going on the keyboard is unresponsive. Weird, what's your value of the $mail_check variable? You can see if increasing it help. How many folders do you have, are they rather large or small (”rather large“ is something like 5.000 or more messages per folder I'd say.) There are 20 files some with as many as 30-40k messages. This ~/mail directory was copied over from my desktop box where mutt works flawlessly. mail_check=10. I'll try increasing it later when I get some more time. Now for the strangeness. Mutt functions perfectly on my desktop box. The noted behavior only occurs on my laptop, a Dell Latitude. Both computers are running the identical ~.muttrc files, the desktop file having been copied via a flash drive to the laptop. There's also a systemwide config file (/etc/Muttrc, depending on the setup) which has totally different settings on both machines. I'll try copying one to the other machine, renaming 1 and running diff, again later when I get some more time. I'll report the results. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: more strange behavior
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:11:33AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Monday, August 24 at 10:53 PM, quoth Robert Holtzman: There are 20 files some with as many as 30-40k messages. This ~/mail directory was copied over from my desktop box where mutt works flawlessly. mail_check=10. I'll try increasing it later when I get some more time. In other words, if checking all your mailboxes takes longer than 10 seconds, mutt will be caught in an infinite loop of checking for new mail. Tried changing mail_check to 200 and it made a large difference. Now Mutt only cycles through the mailboxes once. The only remaining problems are 1) the fact that mutt still insists on reading a seemingly random selection of mailboxes when ^o is invoked. This behavior is also random in that it doesn't always happen. On my desktop box it seems as though only the mailbox I'm opening is read (hard to tell because it's *fast*). 2) reading mailboxes is much slower on the laptop than on the desktop, maybe due to the differences in hard drives you noted. It may have worked better on your desktop box because the hard drive there is faster and has more cache. Sounds reasonable. What type of mailboxes do you use? Different formats (mbox vs mh vs maildir) take different amounts of effort to identify new messages in extremely large mailboxes. Mbox is usually the fastest because mutt relies on the timestamps on the mailbox file. Mbox. -- Bob Holtzman AF9D 8760 0CFA F95A 6C77 E125 BF90 580F 8D54 9279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
sending new message to a list
I can't find a way to compose *new* mail to a list without entering the To: address manually. Tried running searches, the manual, and this list's archives to no avail. Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms. I'm looking for something like Alpine's A method to send a message to the entire list (Post). Not a deal breaker but it would be handy. Any help appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sending new message to a list
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:40:14PM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: On 2009-09-09, Robert Holtzman wrote: I can't find a way to compose *new* mail to a list without entering the To: address manually. Tried running searches, the manual, and this list's archives to no avail. Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms. I'm looking for something like Alpine's A method to send a message to the entire list (Post). Not a deal breaker but it would be handy. Any help appreciated. I filter my incoming mail into a different folder for each mailing list and I have a folder-hook for each of those folders that binds M to a macro that begins a message to the current mailing list. folder-hook . \ 'macro index M middle-page move to the middle of the page' folder-hook +Incoming/mutt-dev \ 'macro index M mailmutt-dev^M^M mail to list' folder-hook +Incoming/mutt-users\ 'macro index M mailmutt-users^M^M mail to list' Those ^Ms are actually carets and upper-case Ms, not Ctrl-Ms. You could use Return instead. The first ^M terminates the To: prompt and the second one terminates the Cc: prompt. After pressing M, you are immediately presented with the Subject: prompt. I've heard that Mutt documentation was somewhat opaque but that's not true. It was written on Mars, translated into Swahili, and transcribed phonetically into Navajo! -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: manual-2.html
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, ed wrote: Don't know if this has been reported before in the online manual: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-2.html: $ diff manual-2.html* 488c488 ^F forget-passphrase whipe PGP passphrase from memory --- ^F forget-passphrase wipe PGP passphrase from memory Manual-2.html doesn't show up in http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual. http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual is a directory but when clicked on it doesn't open to display files. Instead it opens the old manual. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: wrapping long lines
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Brandon Metcalf wrote: This might be better asked in a vi/vim forum, but I figured someone here using mutt has had to solve this problem. When receiving email from Outlook users, lines do not have newline characters. That is, they show up in mutt looking like snip... I tried setting my editor to use fmt(1) and pipe that to vim but I couldn't get it to work properly. fmt(1) was treating the entire message as one big paragraph and the output was mangled. I didn't set anything in vimrc but I put this in .muttrc: set editor=vim +':set textwidth=72' You might try playing with something similar in vimrc (obviously not the set editor=vim + part). -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
intermittant hesitation after key strokes
Mutt seems to change behavior from day to day. Yesterday it flew. Today it hesitates after *every* key stroke, whether it's navigating between mailboxes or within a mailbox, tagging a message, saving, replying, you name it. The hesitation lasts for 3-5 seconds. It appears to be reading headers but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure why it should be reading headers when I try to tag, save, or reply. It even does it when I hit ? to call up a menu. Since I subscribe to a bunch of lists, some of them high volume, it would take all day to go thru them with the constant hesitations. I'm running 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu1 on ubuntu 8.04. I also have debian on this box but haven't yet had a chance to check mutt on that. Any pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:09:38PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: On 2009-11-10, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Mutt seems to change behavior from day to day. Yesterday it flew. Today it hesitates after *every* key stroke, whether it's navigating between mailboxes or within a mailbox, tagging a message, saving, replying, you name it. The hesitation lasts for 3-5 seconds. It appears to be reading headers but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure why it should be reading headers when I try to tag, save, or reply. It even does it when I hit ? to call up a menu. Since I subscribe to a bunch of lists, some of them high volume, it would take all day to go thru them with the constant hesitations. I'm running 1.5.17+20080114-1ubuntu1 on ubuntu 8.04. I also have debian on this box but haven't yet had a chance to check mutt on that. Any pointers appreciated. FWIW, I've never seen mutt hesitate after _every_ keystroke, but sometimes mine hesitates when performing operations that update the index display, as when scrolling. I discovered that this happened whenever I had one or more huge messages (on the order of a megabyte) displayed in the index. My mailbox in that case is my Unix NFS-mounted $MAIL file. I didn't have any messages anywhere near that long. A couple of Mb at most. Want to hear the maddening part? When I fired up mutt later in the day the problem was gone (until the next time). -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:36:25PM -0800, Morris, Patrick wrote: Mutt checks for mailbox changes frequently, which is why new mail can show up while you're doing things like scrolling around through a mailbox. If you're using a remote mailbox and the network connection's being flaky, or it's local and your hard drive is having fits, things can get pretty choppy. Would mutt exhibit this behavior if I don't have a constant connection to my isp's pop3 server? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:29:26PM -0500, Kevin Kammer wrote: .snip. Are you certain the performance problem is with Mutt? It isn't just that mutt is slow. It seems like it reads headers in all mailboxes no matter what the keystroke. This leads me to believe the problem is with mutt. If I'm missing something please correct me. snip -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:22:16AM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: So, mutt has a lot of settings, most of which are set under the assumption that you're using mutt to read a local mbox. For example, the $mail_check variable is, by default, 5. What that means is that mutt will expect to check for new mail every five seconds---which is a 1 good default if your mailbox(es) is/are just a disk-access away, but if accessing your mail requires network operations, five seconds is absurdly small. Boost that value up some (even to as little as 60 (1 minute)), and I think you'll find that mutt suddenly gets more responsive while accessing your pop3 server. My mailboxes are on my hd. Still can't figure out why mutt would insist on polling mailboxes for keystrokes unrelated to any mailbox (s, t, *, ?, etc) and why the problem is intermittent. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:19:59AM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Wednesday, November 11 at 11:25 PM, quoth Robert Holtzman: My mailboxes are on my hd. Huh. Okay. How many is mutt checking on? Hard to say as they go by pretty fast but there are a total of 37 in ~./mail. That includes 14 saved-*, backup, spam, outbox, etc. Don't know if mutt checks these. Can't see why it should. Still can't figure out why mutt would insist on polling mailboxes for keystrokes unrelated to any mailbox (s, t, *, ?, etc) That's easy to explain: because you told it to. Here's the way it works: you told mutt (well, it's set this way by default, but...) via $mail_check that you want ALL of your mailboxes to be checked every 5 .snip Well, given mutt's event-driven structure, checking for mail is inherently intermittent. But I think the intermittent delays probably also have something to do with the number of mailboxes you have mutt checking, and the characteristics of your hard drive (i.e. does checking all of them involve spinning up the disk? Searching through large unhashed directories? etc.). That makes sense...even to me. What I still don't understand is why mutt displays this behavior and when I close it for a few hours/days then use it the next time, the problem doesn't appear at all. One more thing. When mutt polls after a keystroke, it does it at *every* keystroke 1-2 seconds apart. Well within the polling interval. Something seems inconsistent. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:19:35PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Thursday, November 12 at 10:57 AM, quoth Robert Holtzman: Hard to say as they go by pretty fast but there are a total of 37 in ~./mail. That includes 14 saved-*, backup, spam, outbox, etc. Don't know if mutt checks these. Can't see why it should. How many have you told it to check via the `mailboxes` command in your muttrc? Since, to my knowledge, for a mailbox to be shown in the sidebar it must be included in the list of mailboxes and inclusion means it will be checked, the answer is...all. If I'm wrong please correct me. What I still don't understand is why mutt displays this behavior and when I close it for a few hours/days then use it the next time, the problem doesn't appear at all. Depends on the status/condition of your hard drive. For example, if your OS can cache all of the necessary meta data and inodes, it doesn't have to check the disk every time... but if it cannot cache them (for whatever reason, such as doing lots of other disk operations at the time, for example, if its rebuilding/maintaining a search index or something), then it has to touch the disk to check up on those files. Not sure if this applies. The processes you mention all seem to be ram and/or swap dependent. 2Gb should be sufficient. Again, if I'm wrong a correction would be appreciated. One more thing. When mutt polls after a keystroke, it does it at *every* keystroke 1-2 seconds apart. Well within the polling interval. Something seems inconsistent. Hmmm... what version of mutt did you say you were using? I know there was a bug a while back that made polls happen more frequently than they were supposed to, but I'm pretty sure that got fixed. 1.5.17 which is the one in the ubuntu repo. I like to stick to binary packages as upgrading and removing are easier. Also distro specific dependencies are taken care of to say nothing of patching, compiling and package building are a pita. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 05:03:42PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Thursday, November 12 at 02:44 PM, quoth Robert Holtzman: Since, to my knowledge, for a mailbox to be shown in the sidebar it must be included in the list of mailboxes and inclusion means it will be checked, the answer is...all. If I'm wrong please correct me. Ohh, you're using the sidebar patch? Ick. Well, it's quite likely that the sidebar patch changes the behavior I described. To get details on it, though, you'll have to ask the patch's authors (who, last I checked, refuse to support their patch). The only reason I'm running the sidebar is that I'm used to pine/alpine where the mailbox list is a click away. Don't know how the unpatched mutt handles this but if the authors don't support their patch I will probably at least try the unpatched version. Educate me (as if you haven't been doing that so far). Why ick? Depends on the status/condition of your hard drive. For example, if your OS can cache all of the necessary meta data and inodes, it doesn't have to check the disk every time... but if it cannot cache them (for whatever reason, such as doing lots of other disk operations at the time, for example, if its rebuilding/maintaining a search index or something), then it has to touch the disk to check up on those files. Not sure if this applies. The processes you mention all seem to be ram and/or swap dependent. 2Gb should be sufficient. Again, if I'm wrong a correction would be appreciated. Rebuilding a search index (for example, the `locate` function on linux/BSD or something even more comprehensive, like MacOS's Spotlight feature) is DEFINITELY disk-dependent, and has little to do with your RAM. Secondly, you may be unaware, but some disks actually have their own hardware cache (which behaves like RAM, but is hidden from the OS). 1.5.17 which is the one in the ubuntu repo. Umm... well, according to Ubuntu's web page, 1.5.20 is the one in their repo (http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/mutt). 1.5.17 is about three years old, and may very well still have the bug I mentioned (I don't see mention of it in mutt's UPDATING file, though). I'm running 8.04 (hardy). Had problems with 8.10 and 9.04. I'm waiting for the initial problems with 9.10 to be worked out before trying it. I also run debian lenny but haven't tried mutt on it yet. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:42:12AM +0100, Christian Ebert wrote: * Robert Holtzman on Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 23:40:04 -0700 The only reason I'm running the sidebar is that I'm used to pine/alpine where the mailbox list is a click away. Don't know how the unpatched mutt handles this The mailbox list is just a click away too, albeit not visible at the same time. The distributed system Muttrc contains the following macro and binding: # show the incoming mailboxes list (just like mutt -y) and back when pressing y macro index,pager y change-folder?toggle-mailboxes show incoming mailboxes list bind browser y exit So you'd have at least a poor man's side-bar ;-) c -- Python Mutt utilities --- http://www.blacktrash.org/hg/muttils/ Thanks. I'll try it. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:42:12AM +0100, Christian Ebert wrote: * Robert Holtzman on Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 23:40:04 -0700 The only reason I'm running the sidebar is that I'm used to pine/alpine where the mailbox list is a click away. Don't know how the unpatched mutt handles this The mailbox list is just a click away too, albeit not visible at the same time. The distributed system Muttrc contains the following macro and binding: # show the incoming mailboxes list (just like mutt -y) and back when pressing y macro index,pager y change-folder?toggle-mailboxes show incoming mailboxes list bind browser y exit So you'd have at least a poor man's side-bar ;-) c -- Python Mutt utilities --- http://www.blacktrash.org/hg/muttils/ Tried it. It's great. In some ways better than alpine. Having one problem with it. When installed in debian lenny on my desktop box and on ubuntu hardy on my laptop it's fine. Hiting c shows the default mailbox to open as the next one with new mail. Better than alpine. Installed on ubuntu hardy, also on my desktop box, hitting c causes it to ask what mailbox to open and I have to bring up the list and scroll down to the one I want. Why the difference between ubuntu on the two different computers is driving me nuts. The ~/,muttrc file is the same on all three, having been copied via a flash drive. Any ideas? Thanks for the great tip. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:08:21PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Thursday, November 12 at 11:40 PM, quoth Robert Holtzman:
The only reason I'm running the sidebar is that I'm used to
pine/alpine where the mailbox list is a click away.
Understood. Personally, I find the mailbox list rather annoying. I have
lots of rarely-used mailboxes (for grouping messages about subjects that
I rarely talk about, or mailing lists that I monitor and only check up on
once or twice a week) that usually end up cluttering up such interfaces.
I like that in mutt I can simply use tab-completion to navigate to my
folders. (You *can* get a list of folders... but you aren't forced to use
it if you don't want to.)
Educate me (as if you haven't been doing that so far). Why ick?
Well, this comes up every so often, so I'll copy what I've said before
about it. Mainly, I quoted one of the guiding lights of mutt development
(and the man to whom mutt 1.6 will probably be dedicated), Rocco Rutte,
who wrote (http://marc.info/?l=mutt-devm=112133798519807w=2):
For example, the sidebar patch available for mutt looks to work at
first sight but there're many things just heavily broken or things
you really don't want to stay in the code (like using snprintf()
and strlen() to calculate the amount of digits of a number.)
The sidebar patch is much larger than it needs to be, and affects large
portions of the mutt codebase that have nothing to do with showing a
sidebar (for example, if memory serves, the sidebar patch changes mbox
handling in some weird way). Generally speaking, despite its popularity
and its apparent continued development, the developers of the sidebar
patch do not maintain a presence on this mailing list, do not have their
own mailing list, and (to my knowledge) do not provide any kind of
support for either users of their patch or for people interested in
cleaning it up such that it might become palatable to the mainline mutt
developers.
And just so you know, Rocco's complaints are still valid. Check out this
example function from the current sidebar patch (published July 19th,
2009):
static int quick_log10(int n)
{
char string[32];
sprintf(string, %d, n);
return strlen(string);
}
Just because I was curious, I actually compared this quick version of
log10 to the real log10 (with the attached small program). Turns out
calculating log10 the quick way is an order of magnitude slower than
doing it the usual way. Doesn't that just scream this programmer knows
what they're doing?
Probably, if I were a programmer. I got part way into C some time ago
but according to the actuarial tables I wasn't going to live long enough
to get proficient. You're talking to a 73 yr old retired mech engineer.
...snip..
I'm trying classic mutt now and it's great. Better than alpine in some
respects. Still having one problem. See my reply to Christian Ebert.
Many thanks for your time and great patience. You've given me a lot of
insight into mutt's structure that I couldn't get from my research.
--
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Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:31:49PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Saturday, November 14 at 11:41 AM, quoth Robert Holtzman: Doesn't that just scream this programmer knows what they're doing? Probably, if I were a programmer. I got part way into C some time ago but according to the actuarial tables I wasn't going to live long enough to get proficient. You're talking to a 73 yr old retired mech engineer. :) What's the phrase... learn like you're going to live forever, love like you'll die tomorrow, and dance like nobody's watching? That's a corollary to the Machinist's Maxim: measure twice, cut once. Anyway, I understand your point, but as an engineer I know you can understand the basic idea: testing shows that the so-called shortcut is actually not as good as the more typical method, and that suggests that the guy who designed the shortcut didn't actually test his shortcut to see if it was actually faster. He was so proud of it he couldn't wait to release it? I've run into those. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:34:21PM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Saturday, November 14 at 11:08 AM, quoth Robert Holtzman: Why the difference between ubuntu on the two different computers is driving me nuts. The ~/,muttrc file is the same on all three, having been copied via a flash drive. Any ideas? Well, my first thought would be the system-wide Muttrc might be different between the two. Check /etc/Muttrc on both machines (I assume that's where they keep 'em... you may have to go looking for files called either Muttrc or muttrc). They might have some slightly different settings that are throwing you off. My apologies. I forgot to mention that I had checked this. To make doubly sure I copied the file from the laptop that was working and running the same distro. Still no joy. Any other possibilities? If this list comes up empty I may try the dev list. Thanks again. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intermittant hesitation after key strokes
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:38:01AM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Saturday, November 14 at 11:08 AM, quoth Robert Holtzman: When installed in debian lenny on my desktop box and on ubuntu hardy on my laptop it's fine. Hiting c shows the default mailbox to open as the next one with new mail. Better than alpine. Installed on ubuntu hardy, also on my desktop box, hitting c causes it to ask what mailbox to open and I have to bring up the list and scroll down to the one I want. Why the difference between ubuntu on the two different computers is driving me nuts. Okay, let's look at this more specifically, on two machines, change-folder suggests the next mailbox with new mail. On one, it doesn't. Correct. If you're always viewing locally stored messages (e.g. stored in your home directories), and if your messages are stored in mbox format, then it's possible that the difference is that your ubuntu desktop mounts its drives with the noatime option, which messes up mutt's detection of new mail. Thus, it doesn't suggest a mailbox for the simple reason that it doesn't think any of them contain new mail. According to fstab /home is mounted relatime, the same as the laptop (which works). Debian doesn't say which means it's default which I *assume* is relatime. From what I see on http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/01/30/installing-linux-on-usb-part-4-noatime-and-relatime-mount-options/ that should be fine. Now I'm snowed. Think I'll try mutt's dev list. If you're always viewing *remote* email (e.g. accessing your mail via IMAP), then it's harder to guess why mailboxes with new mail aren't being suggested. In either case, you don't *have* to use the big list to find your mailboxes. Mutt's change-folder prompt can work like the shell: you can use tab completion to make it faster. For example, I keep my mutt mailing list mail organized into INBOX/Subscribed/Mutt. I have $folder set to INBOX. Thus, whenever I want to read the mutt mailing list email, I simply press c=STABMTABENTER (where the things in brackets are key-presses). Unless I'm missing something, that looks like more key strokes than I have now. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mailbox designations
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:21:23AM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Sunday, January 10 at 08:56 PM, quoth RobertHoltzman: I run ubuntu 8.04 on my desktop box and on my laptop. Both run mutt 1.5.17. On the laptop the mailboxes called up with ? each has an * after the name, i.e. list-mutt-users*. The * doesn't appear on the list on the desktop box. I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing this before. Not a deal breaker but irritating. An explanation would be appreciated. The * is appended to the name of mailboxes that, for whatever reason, have the user executable bit set. The reason (I think) is that you probably never want your mailbox files to be executable, and it's an indication that your permission settings may not be what you think they are. To fix it, simply run `chmod u-x` on every mailbox file. That nailed it, Not sure how the x bit snuck in there but there it was. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to save 'what you see' as a file?
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:09:10PM +0100, Simon Ruderich wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 05:12:53PM +, Chris G wrote: Is there any fairly straightforward way to save what you see in the mutt pager as a file? I want to record some E-Mail as files for another application and what I need to do basically is save what I can see on the screen as a file which I can name. You could also use escC to make a plain-text copy. This will add some more headers but they should be easily to weed out. I see C in the command list for copying to a file but no escC. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to save 'what you see' as a file?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 05:46:02AM +0100, Simon Ruderich wrote: Weird, I just build 1.5.17 and I have it there (even with mutt -n -F /dev/null), one the first page. What happens when you run :push decode-copy in mutt? If it works you could just add these bindings to your muttrc: bind index \eC decode-copy bind pager \eC decode-copy That did it. Thanks. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
urlscan not working
Just got through loading Ubuntu Hardy onto a friend's computer along with mutt. I installed urlscan and copied my .muttrc which works flawlessly on my laptop. It has the macros to run urlscan: macro index,pager \cb pipe-message urlscanEnter call urlscan to extract URLs out of a message macro attach,compose \cb pipe-entry urlscanEnter call urlscan to extract URLs out of a message The problem is when reading mail containing a url and hitting CTL bthe error message isurlview not found. ^^^ Can't understand why this works on my computer and not on his. Any ideas/pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Indexing of mailboxes
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 05:26:25PM -0600, Richard Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 02:44:43PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 11:27:13AM +0200, hubert depesz lubaczewski wrote: Check $header_cache. Does this need a patch to work on Mutt 1.5.17? I used header caching in 1.5.9, so I don't think an additional patch is required for 1.5.17. Perhaps do something like these if you don't have header caching included in your build: ./configure --enable-hcache --without-gdbm --with-qdbm sudo port install mutt-devel +headercache +qdbm mutt -v shows, in part, +USE_HCACHE. Is that it? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Indexing of mailboxes
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:19:10AM +0200, Alex Huth wrote: On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 05:31:56PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 05:26:25PM -0600, Richard Johnson wrote: mutt -v shows, in part, +USE_HCACHE. Is that it? Yes. If you use maildir you have to compile it with the option for it. For example in your make.conf: WITH_MUTT_MAILDIR_HEADER_CACHE=yes OK, thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
urlscan called the wrong browser
Not sure if this is the appropriate list for this but I couldn't find a urlscan list. I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 with their version of Mutt 1.5.17, urlscan 0.5.6, and Firefox 3.6.6 just upgraded from 3.0.x. Prior to the upgrade ctl-b called firefox. After the upgrade it called a text based browser that I thought was Lynx except that Lynx isn't installed on my system. The urlscan README says to set the environment variable export BROWSER=/usr/bin/x Which makes sense and works but leaves the question: why is it neccessary all of a sudden? It wasn't when I ran FF 3.0.x. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: urlscan called the wrong browser
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:11:08PM +0200, Simon Ruderich wrote: snip I'm not sure how it's handled by Ubuntu (I only know Debian), but it looks like urlscan calls sensible-browser, which calls the correct browser. You should be able to change it with update-alternatives --config x-www-browser Another possibility could be, that $DISPLAY is not set, thus sensible-browser thinks it can't launch a X based browser (I'm not entirely sure, I'm no expert regarding sensible-browser). All this is well and good but my question was why is setting the browser environment variable necessary with FF 3.6.6 when it wasn't with 3.0.x? I'm beginning to think it's a FF problem. The devs may have broken a compatibility with urlscan. Hope this helps, Simon -- + privacy is necessary + using gnupg http://gnupg.org + public key id: 0x92FEFDB7E44C32F9 -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
mutt 1.5.20 problem changing mailboxes
When I was running Ubuntu 8.04 mutt 1.5.17 ran flawlessly. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 which installs mutt 1.5.20 and now I'm having a problem changing mailboxes with the c command. When I try it keeps wanting to open INCOMING, my default mailbox for everything not routed by procmail. Using tab to try to cycle thru mailboxes doesn't work. I have to close mutt, reopen it and use the y command and search the list for the next mailbox with new mail. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mutt 1.5.20 problem changing mailboxes
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 10:22:46AM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote: Hi Robert, * Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net [06. Jul. 2010]: When I was running Ubuntu 8.04 mutt 1.5.17 ran flawlessly. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 which installs mutt 1.5.20 and now I'm having a problem changing mailboxes with the c command. When I try it keeps wanting to open INCOMING, my default mailbox for everything not routed by procmail. Using tab to try to cycle thru mailboxes doesn't work. I cycle trough the mailboxes with space/blank I have to close mutt, reopen it and use the y command and search the list for the next mailbox with new mail. You don't have to close mutt in order to get this list: c^a^k\t\t does it (change-folder, beginning-of-line, kill-to-end-of-line, tab, tab). Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Your mutt package most porbably provides a file /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/Tin.rc which enables lynx / tin like movement with cursor keys. I use it, it's great. I don't doubt what you say but I would *really* like to get the c command working. The maddening thing is that it is changing behavior. Today it found the first two mailboxes and then reverted to the first one it found for subsequent attempts. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mutt 1.5.20 problem changing mailboxes
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 02:02:34PM -0800, rog...@sdf.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 02:36:55PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I don't doubt what you say but I would *really* like to get the c command working. The maddening thing is that it is changing behavior. Today it found the first two mailboxes and then reverted to the first one it found for subsequent attempts. macro index c change-folder?toggle-mailboxes open a different folder macro pager c change-folder?toggle-mailboxes open a different folder Will these find the next mailbox with new mail as defined in the output of mailstat? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
batch deleting
I can't find a way to delete a specifie range of messages, ie message #1-1000. If it's in the docs I missed it and a search turned up nothing of value. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: batch deleting
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:08:50AM -0300, Monte Stevens wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 12:29:31AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I can't find a way to delete a specifie range of messages, ie message #1-1000. If it's in the docs I missed it and a search turned up nothing of value. Is ~m what you want? You lost me. I don't see it in the help menu or the docs. What did I miss. When I tried it I got the new mail template (as expected). -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: batch deleting [thanks Monte and David]
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 07:46:29PM -0300, Monte Stevens wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 03:28:02PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 09:08:50AM -0300, Monte Stevens wrote: On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 12:29:31AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I can't find a way to delete a specifie range of messages, ie message #1-1000. If it's in the docs I missed it and a search turned up nothing of value. Is ~m what you want? You lost me. I don't see it in the help menu or the docs. What did I miss. When I tried it I got the new mail template (as expected). In `man muttrc` there is a list of simple patterns, one of which is: ~m MIN-MAX message in the range MIN to MAX . So, to delete messages 1-1000 I would type: D ~m 1-1000 Enter Many thanks. Later I also found the answer in the manual under patterns. For some reason I skipped this hit when I ran the search. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: smtp
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 02:41:19PM +0100, Pau wrote: Let me profit the occasion and shamelessly ask you two more questions... I have my addresses defined in a different folder than the default one in mutt. How could I tell mutt to know where to save new aliases? You're hijacking your own thread. Start a new one and give people who sort by thread a fighting chance of following this. Also hijacking screws up people who search the archives by thread. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mailboxes directive not working correctly
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 09:26:32AM -0800, emmanuel_mays...@lynceantech.com wrote: Hello, I have been using mutt for 6+ months and have minor configuration issues. One of them is with the mailboxes directive. When I change mailbox (with c), mutt goes successively to my 2 FIRST mailboxes directives. But doesn't go to the 3rd, 4th, etc mailboxes =lists/epics mailboxes =lists/ts7000 mailboxes =lists/qt mailboxes =lists/svlug mailboxes =lists/comedi mailboxes =lists/mplayer What am I doing wrong? Is there a better way to easily and quickly change the current mailbox? This is caused by unread mail in your first 2 mailboxes. I usually make it a point to mark all messages as read when I am ready to change mailboxes. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mailboxes directive not working correctly
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 07:51:33PM -0800, emmanuel_mays...@lynceantech.com wrote: On 15:38 Fri 19 Nov , Robert Holtzman wrote: This is caused by unread mail in your first 2 mailboxes. I usually make it a point to mark all messages as read when I am ready to change mailboxes. How do you do that? If there only a few messages and they are all grouped together you can read the first one and then hold down the down arrow until you come to the end. If there are more than a few or they are scattered, look at the Mutt Manual under patterns (T, ~N, enter followed by ;, W, N) or set up a macro as suggested in another post on this thread. The only problem with this is you may not want to mark everything as read. A macro gives you no choice. For some reason, as soon as I quit my mailbox (with c), it reports in the status bar that new mail has been received in the mailbox I am just leaving. Not quite. It merely says that new (actually unread) mail exists in the mailbox you just left unless you are set up to constantly receive mail. All emails are read as far as I can tell. That one puzzles me. is this normal behavior? Is there a trick to mark all email as read (ok, I guess I can tag all of them and mark them as read, which I did but still same message is reported when switching mailbox!!!) That may be the real problem! Are you sure there isn't/aren't one or more unread messages lurking somewhere in that mailbox? -- Emmanuel -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer
Re: New tool for sending HTML mail with Mutt
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0800, Jason Helfman wrote: Hebrew is left to right. That is how it is supposed to be read as a language. Where did you get that amazing piece of misinformation? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to set to sort mails with score
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:50:49PM +0800, chris M. sprite wrote: I tried many ways to let mutt sort with score, but it is not good, I mean that it sort with score but can not let new message in high place. for example: I want mutt to sort with *score* and *reverse-date-received* I saw man muttrc, it said that if I want to use sort_aux I must set sort=threads, so: how to set to sort with score and reverse-date-received ? Procmail may be a better answer for you. It allows scoring for various attributes of spam but I think you can change the criteria. Worth checking out. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
ispell with vim
Mutt is compiled with ispell. The documentation I found only talks about it's use with emacs. Being a confirmed vi/vim user, I'm somewhat at a loss. I'm primarily interested, at this point, in adding words to the list. Any pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ispell with vim
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 09:28:48PM -0400, Tim Gray wrote: On May 15, 2011 at 05:30 PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: Mutt is compiled with ispell. The documentation I found only talks about it's use with emacs. Being a confirmed vi/vim user, I'm somewhat at a loss. I'm primarily interested, at this point, in adding words to the list. Any pointers appreciated. I don't use ispell but I do use vim. Vim 7.3 has a spell checker built in, and it's easy to add words to it too. Might be worth checking out. That's what I use now but would rather use aspell or in a pinch ispell. Not sure if that's possible for a noncoder. BTW, how do you add words to the Vim spell checker? Running a search turned up nothing of value. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ispell with vim
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 09:40:20AM +0200, steve wrote: Hi, Le 16-05-2011, à 00:17:36 -0700, Robert Holtzman (hol...@cox.net) a écrit : BTW, how do you add words to the Vim spell checker? Running a search turned up nothing of value. zg with the word under the cursor (in normal mode). See :h zg That's what I was looking for and couldn't turn up in a search. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ispell with vim
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 09:40:11AM +0200, Jostein Berntsen wrote: On 16.05.11,00:17, Robert Holtzman wrote: .snip. BTW, how do you add words to the Vim spell checker? Running a search turned up nothing of value. If you have this setting in your .muttrc you can just do i in the compose view to spellcheck your mail: set ispell=/usr/bin/ispell Unfortunately my (Ubuntu's) version of Mutt seems to have been compiled without ispell capability. From mutt -v: -ISPELL. Not having enough background in compiling programs, I'll just stick to this in vimrc. map F6 Esc:setlocal spell spelllang=en_usCR map F7 Esc:setlocal nospellCR For spell checking in vim see: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/spell.html Great link. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
calling Iceweasel/Firefox from mutt
Running Squeeze and Mutt 1.5.21-4~bpo60+1 with urlscan. Ctl-b shows the URLs but clicking one opens the Epiphany browser. Searches haven't turned up a way to call Iceweasel (unless I'm missing something *really* obvious). Didn't see anything in the Mutt docs either. Is Epiphany hard coded into Mutt? Mutt -v showsfeatures/sensible_browser_position suggesting it is. Mutt under Ubuntu calls Firefox but the Ubu devs may have tweaked things. Any pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, chech the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: calling Iceweasel/Firefox from mutt
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 02:42:23AM +0200, Thor Andreassen wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:22:16PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: Running Squeeze and Mutt 1.5.21-4~bpo60+1 with urlscan. Ctl-b shows the URLs but clicking one opens the Epiphany browser. Searches haven't turned up a way to call Iceweasel As per urlscan(1) it calls sensible-browser(1) on the url. So to change the default, you set the BROWSER variable in mutts environment, eg. for bash: BROWSER=iceweasel mutt or export BROWSER=iceweasel mutt Thanks for jogging my memory. It's been a long time since I set up Ubuntu and had to add the export line to .bashrc and I had completely forgotten. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, chech the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Mutt not calling browser
Running mutt 1.5.21-4~bpo60+1 on Debian Squeeze. The default browser is Iceweasel, Debian's version of Firefox. It was giving me some problems so I purged it and installed the real Firefox. Now Ctrl b gives the error message /usr/bin/iceweasel: not found None of the browsers in $BROWSER worked! Can't find anything in .muttrc that calls a browser. Searches yield nothing useful (unless I've missed something). Any poimters appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt not calling browser
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 11:44:51PM +0200, Jostein Berntsen wrote: On 07.07.11,14:37, Robert Holtzman wrote: Running mutt 1.5.21-4~bpo60+1 on Debian Squeeze. The default browser is Iceweasel, Debian's version of Firefox. It was giving me some problems so I purged it and installed the real Firefox. Now Ctrl b gives the error message /usr/bin/iceweasel: not found None of the browsers in $BROWSER worked! Can't find anything in .muttrc that calls a browser. Searches yield nothing useful (unless I've missed something). Any poimters appreciated. Is Ctrl-b mapped to urlview? Then you can change to the right browser in /usr/bin/url_handler.sh. Ctrl-b is mapped to urlscan and worked when I had iceweasel installed. holtzm@localhost:~$ less /usr/bin/url_handler.sh /usr/bin/url_handler.sh: No such file or directory The only url_handler I can find on the system is: holtzm@localhost:~$ locate url_handler /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_url_handlers.schemas which, of course, isn't what you are talking about. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt not calling browser[SOLVED]
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 09:53:15PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net [07-07-11 21:35]: On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 11:44:51PM +0200, Jostein Berntsen wrote: On 07.07.11,14:37, Robert Holtzman wrote: Is Ctrl-b mapped to urlview? Then you can change to the right browser in /usr/bin/url_handler.sh. Ctrl-b is mapped to urlscan and worked when I had iceweasel installed. holtzm@localhost:~$ less /usr/bin/url_handler.sh /usr/bin/url_handler.sh: No such file or directory url_handler.sh is contained in urlview package distributed with mutt. That explains it. Also I'm running urlscan. The problem got solved when I remembered that I had forgotten to change the EXPORT line in .bashrc when I switched browsers. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt not calling browser
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 08:06:27AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: http://www.memoryhole.net/~kyle/extract_url/ is a much better alternative, definitely worth trying out. It looks good. It appears to correct some problems I've had with urlscan. I'll try it out when I get some time. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bad path given to procmail
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:11:52PM +0200, G�rard Robin wrote: Hello, I have put a path like this in procmailrc: :0 * ^tomutt-us...@mutt.org MUTT/U11/mutt-`date +%m-%y` but I had not yet created the directory MUTT/U11 and when I downloaded my messages the messages from the list mutt-users were lost. Is it possible to avoid losing the messages in this case ? i.e. when the path doesn't exist. Read your .procmailrc file. You will se this: # Messages that fall through all your procmail recipes are delivered # to your default INBOX. To find out yours, run 'procmail -v' -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bad path given to procmail
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:02:32AM +0100, Athanasius wrote: ..snip.. I'd not come across this before, so checked... and in my setup the output for 'default INBOX' is incorrect. It states: Default rcfile: $HOME/.procmailrc It may be writable by your primary group Your system mailbox:/var/mail/athan But I have: 11:00:37 0$ grep DEFAULT .procmailrc DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.catchall/ So if you have a DEFAULT setting in .procmailrc, check that. I do but it's only because I don't want mail that is not caught by the filters to go to my system mailbox which is /var/mail/username. Instead I set up a DEFAULT mailbox which is $HOME/mail/INCOMING. Also I notice that your DEFAULT mailbox is a hidden (dot) file. Don't know if that is a problem, but you might try unhiding it. The above may not addresses your problem. Post the contents of your .procmailrc file. If you wish you can delete the filters. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Saving messages to a mailboxes
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:08:58PM +0400, Alexander Pletnev wrote: Hi guys. I started to use mutt because i become a fan of vim. And it's awesome to use my favorite text editor for composing and asnwering emails. At the risk of posting heresy, have you checked out Alpine or Re-Alpine? Text based and you can use any editor you want. Also, somewhat easier to configure than Mutt but not as powerful. Im still newb in mutt. And have a question about it's usage. I have inbox folder, which is recieves any new email. Then if i read messages, they are stored in another mailbox (mbox). It's good, but i want to bind some emails to be saved in another mailbox, not in mbox. When im saving messages by s in index, mutt asks me to save current email to mailbox, which is named as mutt decide. And i want to bind senders with mailboxes. Which trick can help me solve this task ? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to handle mailing list
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 07:25:43PM +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Dear users In light of the recent thread about MLs and my constant encounter with the following problem, I'd like to ask: How do _you_ start a new thread to a mailing list? My preferred method right now is to start a reply, but change the subject and remove the Reference header. This is of course tedious and error-prone. But it's also tedious to manage the list addresses in aliases and to enter/search the relevant address each time. I noticed that M is not bound by default. So what do you think about a new function New message to list, assigned to M. It's similar to Reply to list, bound to L, in that it takes the mailing list address from the currently selected message, but it doesn't set the message up as a reply. That would be a very quick and easy way to start a new thread. M is not bound but m is. Read the help page. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: name file?
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:33:59AM +0200, Bernard Massot wrote: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 03:01:56PM -0700, Robert Holtzm wrote: When I compose a message, the From header is as shown above which is incorrect. ~/.muttrc shows no option to set this. Somewhere there is a file with my full name. I remember typing it in when I installed the system but can't find it. I'm not even sure that's what mutt is reading. Running searches turns up little of use. If you have no from setting in muttrc (and no $EMAIL environment variable) mutt doesn't set the From header when you send mails. Usually your MTA, ie the program which actually sends the mail, adds a From header. To build it, the default standard place to look for a user name is this user's entry in /etc/passwd. You were asked your full name when you created your user account. So you can fix your problem by editing /etc/passwd or by using set from = Bob Holtzman youremailaddress in muttrc. The /etc/passwd file was the culprit. I mistyped the name in my haste. My problem was that I didn't know what file mutt was reading the information from. Thanks for your help. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: name file?
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:53:11AM +0200, Ennio-Sr wrote: * Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net [080912, 15:01]: Running mutt 1.5.20-9+squee on squeeze (obviously). When I compose a message, the From header is as shown above which is incorrect. ~/.muttrc shows no option to set this. Somewhere there is a file with my full ... Hi Robert, I suppose you should check what you have in .muttrc concerning: set from = . or set hdrs = yes my_hdr From . and check with instructions given in man muttrc See my reply to Bernard Massot. Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: notmuch-mutt
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:05:34AM +0300, Hratch Megerditchian wrote: What do I have to do to unsubscribe from mutt as I don’t want to receive emails for other cases A good start would be to stop hijacking threads. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:34:13PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote: On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote: Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes the responsibility is with the user, not the code. Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and the code, and never with the user. Otherwise it's a failed product. You're absolutely right...as soon as they make programmers capable of predicting every mistake an end user will make...or the depth of every end user's laziness and/or stupidity. Good luck! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:45:05PM +0100, Rado Q wrote: .snip.` Ok, we disagree on basic principles, because I require responsible and respectful users for any tool, no matter how well or badly it's coded. People kill people, guns are just their tools for it. You'll never make a foolproof gun to avoid misuse. +10! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 07:22:03PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote: .snip. Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and the code, and never with the user. Otherwise it's a failed product. You're absolutely right...as soon as they make programmers capable of predicting every mistake an end user will make...or the depth of every end user's laziness and/or stupidity. Good luck! Apparently you're unaware of the last 30 or 40 years of human factors and usability research, or the fact that other people are using computers besides a bunch of ivory tower geeks who think users will follow whatever strictures and protocols they decide to impose. Now they have mind reading software? Citation please. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: HTML-only e-mail (WAS [the near-endless line-length thread])
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:35AM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: Changing the subject so this (hopefully) doesn't restart the endless thread. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:42AM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:35PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only e-mail is between 99% to 100% spam. HTML email is sent exclusively by three groups of people: 1. Ignorant newbies 2. Ineducable morons 3. Spammers Actually, based on what I've seen, only #3 in that list is correct for around 99% of it. Not true. I once worked for a company where one of the managers took delight in sending emails that looked like circus posters. It boils down to a self centered a**hole who is saying Look at me. See what I can do .snip. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question about PGP and mutt
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 07:33:16AM -0600, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:37:54PM +0100, Andreas Hanke wrote: Hello together, I have a question about PGP and mutt! gpg2 works fine on my system, I have already tested that. In my .muttrc I have that added: /opt/mutt-1.5.21/contrib/gpg.rc So far as I am aware, you do not really need a gpg.rc file, or is it a .gpgrc? You do, however, need quite a bit in your .muttrc. This is the relevant portion of my .muttrc, which works just fine. I am using GnuPG, the open-source equivalent, but it should work the same. You will have to replace the email address associated with your PGP key, and your key code, (both are in parentheses below) but otherwise, you should be able to simply cut and paste this into your current .muttrc file and have secure email. You may test it on me if you wish. PGP email can be difficult to set up, but once working, it seems pretty stable. Enjoy: #paranoid delusional encryption stuff... also check on the use of Steghide set pgp_decode_command=gpg %?p?--passphrase-fd 0? --no-verbose --batch --output - %f ..snip. set pgp_replyencrypt=yes set pgp_timeout=1800 set pgp_good_sign=^gpg: Good signature from I have none of this in my .muttrc and have pgp capability. P shows the pgp menu. This in mutt 1.5.20-9+squeeze2. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: .procmailrc configurations
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:58:37AM +0800, horseriver wrote: hi: How to edit my .procmailrc to put mails from different mail list into different maildir? can this work : :0 * ^to: mutt-users@mutt.org mutt-users@mutt.org Read this: http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ Is your mutt directory really named mutt-users@mutt.org? Why? In your recipe, ^to should be ^TO_ -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: .procmailrc configurations
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:17:45AM -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from horseriver: How to edit my .procmailrc to put mails from different mail list into different maildir? can this work : :0 * ^to: mutt-users@mutt.org mutt-users@mutt.org .^^^ That should be a file (mbox) or folder (maildir). Otherwise it looks good. Not true. ^to should be ^TO_ -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: .procmailrc configurations
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:18:21AM -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from horseriver: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 01:46:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: snip Read this: http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ Is your mutt directory really named mutt-users@mutt.org? Why? In your recipe, ^to should be ^TO_ As far as I know, both work. ^TO is special in procmail, but ^to: (as a regexp) works too. I tried that once by mistake (I had meant to write *TO_) and it didn't work until I changed it. Too long ago for me to remember the procmail version. .snip -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: .procmailrc configurations
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 08:23:02AM +0800, horseriver wrote: snip. OK! Here is my config: :0 * ^TO_: mutt-users@mutt.org $MAILDIR/mutt can it works ? Did you try it? If not, why? You're not doing your homework. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: use of .forward file
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:19:55AM +0800, horseriver wrote: hi: I place a .forward file in my home dir , according to man pages, I write an mail address in this file. So ,when I receive a mail ,it will be sent to that address， Did I understand wrong? Why are you posting this to a mutt list? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:37:46AM -0600, Dale Raby wrote: I sign most of my messages, even though I only know a few people who actively use GnuPG/PGP. As I see it, this is one way of promoting encryption. I.e.: What is that block of gibberish you have at the end of your emails? That, my friend is my public key. If you have the right software you can verify that I sent you that message, and we can even send encrypted emails that nobody else can read but us. Really?! Tell me more! .snip Your dreaming. In my experience 99.9% of the replies are why would I want to? or the classic stomach turning I have nothing to hide. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:58:16PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should take note: this comment clearly suggests that Paul, like many people, has had negative experiences asking relatively simple questions on mailing lists like this one, if not this very one.] I am 56 and also forget things... that's maybe what manuals are for? ;) I normally just start Googling and usually find an answer somewhere. List requests work though. The problem with the RTFM answer is that TFM is (in many cases, and certainly in the mutt or emacs cases) rather long, and if you don't already know exactly what you're looking for, finding that one thing you need can take hours. Searching (your manual or google) is only as good as your ability to guess the right keywords, and if you didn't find it that means actually reading large sections of manual. When what you have is basically a 2-second question, reading the manual is a waste of time. Asking on a mailing list, where someone (or many someones) almost certainly knows the answer without looking it up, AND will reply to you usually in less than 5 minutes, while you go make yourself a nice cup of tea, is a much more productive and less frustrating way to solve the problem, and should be encouraged, not discouraged. Otherwise why are we here? For answers that take some effort, replying with RTFM is fine, if you're going to suggest where in TFM to look. If you can't be bothered to do at least that, then you should probably find some other way to spend your time--your answer isn't worth the time it took you to send it. If the answer can definitively be given by a couple of lines of text or less, then replying with RTFM is just making noise on the list that benefits ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. At the risk of raising everyones ire, there are times, especially with a really basic question and no indication of any effort on the poster's part, reply by asking what research has been done, what has been tried, and what were the error messages. Sometimes I will supply the url about asking smart questions (don't have it at hand). I'm on a list that has one of these people. He asks one basic question after another, usually of the form how do I ... The thing that gets me is that many people on the list trip over each other to hold this guy's hand. No one suggests that he put out *some* effort to find answers. I'm about to, which will bring down the wrath of the posters, but that's the way it goes. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: TO: header
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:47:01PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 02:31:06PM -0700, Robert Holtzm wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 03:46:26PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: Robert Holtzm wrote: What file does mutt source to generate the TO: header? Compare the one in this post to the last name in the sig. It appears that the problem started around Aug 16 as far as I can tell. Going back to earlier posts in my outbox it's correct. I believe you're referring to your last name being misspelled in your From header. First mutt consults $from for a name (unless you've turned off $use_from). If $from is empty, it checks your $EMAIL environment variable. It will then check $realname. Finally, it grabs the information out of getpwuid() (which usually reads from your /etc/passwd file). You lost me. Use_from is set but I have no idea what or where $from is. The way you use it it sounds like a file but I can't find it. The same with $realname which only exists in .muttrc in connection with a non-existent macro. Both $from and $realname are variables in your mutt configuration. For example: set from=em...@example.com set realname=My Name slams palm to side of head Why didn't I see those were .muttrc entries! My only remaining question is since these settings aren't shown in .muttrc, and since prior to ~16 August the problem didn't exist, what changed and why. Many thanks. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: TO: header
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 02:47:55PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: slams palm to side of head Why didn't I see those were .muttrc entries! My only remaining question is since these settings aren't shown in .muttrc, and since prior to ~16 August the problem didn't exist, what changed and why. Most likely, it was a typo in your /etc/passwd file. Mutt will read your name from there if it isn't in $from, $realname, or $EMAIL. Sorry my earlier email was too cryptic! I'm mystified as to how a typo could have snuck into a file that I've never edited until after the problem started. My question stands. Your email wasn't too cryptic, my head wasn't on right. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt Tips / Guide
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 09:25:42AM +0200, John Niendorf wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:14:15AM -0700, Josef Bailey wrote: I have been getting stuff from other peopls public .muttrc and its helping me so much That's what I've been doing as well. Are there good n00b guides for mutt ? If you find some please post the links. I've come across a couple here and there, but I find the documentation sometimes to be really confusing. http://www.ucolick.org/~lharden/learnmutt.html http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/ Is there a very active place for mutt users who really want to learn ? or would the mailing list be the best place ? This list seems pretty active and for the most part friendly. -- John -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt Tips / Guide
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 01:04:38PM -0700, Josef Bailey wrote: On 09/21, Sauli Heinola wrote: * Josef Bailey jcbjoe2...@gmail.com: How do i access list archives [2] Can i download this into mutt or do i have to go to a website for this ? I Prefer to read everything in mutt As the archives linked on the mutt-page have been down for quite some time, I pointed you towards the list archives at gmane.org instead. The link was in the footer of my previous mail. You will have to use a web browser or a news reader to browse the archives over there. Thanks Sauli Do you currently use a news reader for the site at gmane.org ? If so what is the news reader or what tool do you use to read it ? .. I'm trying to stay away from the gui / chromium or whatever .. I really only want to use chromium for checking reddit / facebook / news lol http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt Tips / Guide
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 01:37:16AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 03:55:49PM -0700, Josef Bailey wrote: Once again thanks for the non helpful link but it seems that i resolved my own issue .. Not even that i resolved it without a link retarted link that didn't do anything to help the converstation If that was an attempt to be humours then i don't know where that went The link was meant to point you to some general guidelines on how to ask questions on mailing lists. Since we all participate on our free time, you should help others help you by asking well researched, pertinent questions. Most of the things you have asked recently, you could have easily answered yourself either by reading Gmails FAQs, the Mutt manual, or simple web searching. You should read the article Robert pointed it, it is rather instructive; at least I thought so when I read it. It doesn't come through even when you point it out to them. Oh, for the days before Eternal September. Depending on your age you might have to look that up. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mutt Tips / Guide
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 04:51:50PM +, Josef Bailey wrote: On 09/23, Robert Holtzman wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Bob Holtzman It is mean't to help US? out!!! Did you read it? I'm flabergasted! That is the first time I've seen such a response. :( ? Yep, I remember being told to read that myself. You *WILL* be ignored by people who can help you if you don't show indications that you have tried to figure it out yourself. That document explains it better than I can. Bob Holtzman Hello Bob / To All Thank you for the expert advice in regards to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html BTW i did some research on smart-QS and in fact i was blown away by the wealth of knowledge it contained This is a good mailing list and i love mutt to death .. i would give up a gui mail reader anyday for mutt without a doubt So in closing please don't ride me off as some guy not being able to take constructive criticizim becuase i do .. Also i have learned so much in the past weeks just being on this mailing list Thanks again for everything P.S Bob Holtzman .. you are a life saver .. its like why would a apprentice argue with a journey who has knowledge about what he is talking about Aw shucks blushing. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: To choose to sign a message
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 06:15:51PM +0100, Dominique Asselineau wrote: Hello, Does Mutt allow sending a message signed or not signed according the recipient? To choose to sign at the last moment or in the sending screen. It seems all messages must be signed. Are you referring to gpg/pgp signatures or your standard signature? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
