Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

If that video was a pearl white suzuki boulevard on Houston's south loop it
was me ;) I was in the right lane about to exit, the 18 wheeler was one
lane to my left and about 3 car lengths ahead of me when its right rear
tire EXPLODED. The sound was so loud that my body reacted before my brain
even registered what had happened. I swear I would have jumped out of my
own skin if I wasn't wearing a jacket. This was immediately followed by a
shower of black tire chunks and all I could think of was they would leave
skid marks on the white paint (it was my buddy's bike). Some how nothing
hit the bike and I managed to stay inside my skin. I avoid getting anywhere
near those trucks now if I can at all avoid it.


-Kyle

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 7:57 PM, 'mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle
Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Coincidentally, it was a YouTube video of an eighteen wheeler blowing out
> a tire right next to a motorcyclist who was inches in front of the debris
> as it shot out behind him. It was all caught on the dash cam of the car
> following. I was trying to find the video to share it, but no luck.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com>
> Date: 8/17/16 10:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...
>
> I had an 18 wheeler's tire explode next to me once. Louder than a crack of
> thunder followed by a hailstorm of rubber chunks. I give them a wide berth
> now.
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 21:02, "'mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <
> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I won't pass until there's room to completely clear the vehicle
>> in the right lane, unless your hung up in traffic of course. In fact I tend
>> to wander when I pass certain vehicles. For instance when passing large
>> trucks, or smaller trucks with loose or questionable loads, I will move to
>> the left part of the fast lane to give myself that much more of a safety
>> cushion. Now I have had someone pull over into my lane while riding my
>> nighthawk, but not on the Harley. And yes, I do believe there's some truth
>> to the loud pipes theory. But it's just like people, you can't count on
>> anything except that your going to see people do things that range from
>> normal, expected and polite, to outrageous, unexpected and maniacal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message 
>> From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 8/17/16 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...
>>
>> I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the
>> "loud pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to
>> kill me" approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still
>> spend the majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The
>> difference I try to make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive
>> regarding other vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh,
>> he may not see me here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify
>> their possible strike zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan
>> to spend as little time as possible in them.
>>
>>
>> -Kyle
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice,
>>> but I personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you."
>>>
>>> I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike,
>>> everyone is out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and
>>> "cagers." It's only a very short step from that into open antagonism.
>>>
>>> I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see
>>> you." Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.
>>>
>>> Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders
>>> who hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating.
>>> No wonder they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing
>>> their safety off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a
>>> sane person!
>>>
&

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

['mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!]

Coincidentally, it was a YouTube video of an eighteen wheeler blowing out a 
tire right next to a motorcyclist who was inches in front of the debris as it 
shot out behind him. It was all caught on the dash cam of the car following. I 
was trying to find the video to share it, but no luck. 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> 
Date: 8/17/16  10:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks... 

I had an 18 wheeler's tire explode next to me once. Louder than a crack of 
thunder followed by a hailstorm of rubber chunks. I give them a wide berth now. 

On Aug 17, 2016 21:02, "'mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" 
<nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Agreed. I won't pass until there's room to completely clear the vehicle in the 
right lane, unless your hung up in traffic of course. In fact I tend to wander 
when I pass certain vehicles. For instance when passing large trucks, or 
smaller trucks with loose or questionable loads, I will move to the left part 
of the fast lane to give myself that much more of a safety cushion. Now I have 
had someone pull over into my lane while riding my nighthawk, but not on the 
Harley. And yes, I do believe there's some truth to the loud pipes theory. But 
it's just like people, you can't count on anything except that your going to 
see people do things that range from normal, expected and polite, to 
outrageous, unexpected and maniacal. 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> 
Date: 8/17/16  11:49 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks... 

I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the "loud 
pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to kill me" 
approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still spend the 
majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The difference I try to 
make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive regarding other 
vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh, he may not see me 
here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify their possible strike 
zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan to spend as little time as 
possible in them. 


-Kyle 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, but I 
personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you." 
I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, everyone is 
out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and "cagers." It's only a 
very short step from that into open antagonism. 
I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see you." 
Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.
Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders who 
hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating. No wonder 
they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing their safety 
off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a sane person!
Kurt



On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook" <drylightn...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some 
point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I 
went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I 
crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.
It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were 
several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.
I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very interesting. 
Seems like good advice.
3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and make 
it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly darted out 
into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to avoid a dog, 
would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now, could I stop 
without dropping the bike?    If these cars go here, do I have more than one 
way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on his brakes how would 
I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn right now into my path, 
could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into the street.   etc... you get 
the idea.    You must stay 100% alert, always.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be one of 
them. T

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

I had an 18 wheeler's tire explode next to me once. Louder than a crack of
thunder followed by a hailstorm of rubber chunks. I give them a wide berth
now.

On Aug 17, 2016 21:02, "'mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <
nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Agreed. I won't pass until there's room to completely clear the vehicle in
> the right lane, unless your hung up in traffic of course. In fact I tend to
> wander when I pass certain vehicles. For instance when passing large
> trucks, or smaller trucks with loose or questionable loads, I will move to
> the left part of the fast lane to give myself that much more of a safety
> cushion. Now I have had someone pull over into my lane while riding my
> nighthawk, but not on the Harley. And yes, I do believe there's some truth
> to the loud pipes theory. But it's just like people, you can't count on
> anything except that your going to see people do things that range from
> normal, expected and polite, to outrageous, unexpected and maniacal.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com>
> Date: 8/17/16 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...
>
> I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the
> "loud pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to
> kill me" approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still
> spend the majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The
> difference I try to make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive
> regarding other vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh,
> he may not see me here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify
> their possible strike zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan
> to spend as little time as possible in them.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice,
>> but I personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you."
>>
>> I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike,
>> everyone is out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and
>> "cagers." It's only a very short step from that into open antagonism.
>>
>> I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see
>> you." Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.
>>
>> Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders
>> who hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating.
>> No wonder they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing
>> their safety off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a
>> sane person!
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook" <drylightn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some
>> point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I
>> went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I
>> crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.
>>
>> It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there
>> were several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.
>>
>> I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very
>> interesting. Seems like good advice.
>>
>> 3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you
>> and make it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly
>> darted out into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to
>> avoid a dog, would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now,
>> could I stop without dropping the bike?If these cars go here, do I have
>> more than one way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on
>> his brakes how would I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn
>> right now into my path, could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into
>> the street.   etc... you get the idea.You must stay 100% alert, always.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be
>>> one of them. The more you practice it the mo

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

['mike21222' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!]

Agreed. I won't pass until there's room to completely clear the vehicle in the 
right lane, unless your hung up in traffic of course. In fact I tend to wander 
when I pass certain vehicles. For instance when passing large trucks, or 
smaller trucks with loose or questionable loads, I will move to the left part 
of the fast lane to give myself that much more of a safety cushion. Now I have 
had someone pull over into my lane while riding my nighthawk, but not on the 
Harley. And yes, I do believe there's some truth to the loud pipes theory. But 
it's just like people, you can't count on anything except that your going to 
see people do things that range from normal, expected and polite, to 
outrageous, unexpected and maniacal. 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> 
Date: 8/17/16  11:49 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks... 

I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the "loud 
pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to kill me" 
approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still spend the 
majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The difference I try to 
make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive regarding other 
vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh, he may not see me 
here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify their possible strike 
zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan to spend as little time as 
possible in them. 


-Kyle 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, but I 
personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you." 
I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, everyone is 
out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and "cagers." It's only a 
very short step from that into open antagonism. 
I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see you." 
Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.
Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders who 
hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating. No wonder 
they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing their safety 
off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a sane person!
Kurt



On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook" <drylightn...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some 
point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I 
went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I 
crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.
It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were 
several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.
I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very interesting. 
Seems like good advice.
3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and make 
it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly darted out 
into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to avoid a dog, 
would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now, could I stop 
without dropping the bike?    If these cars go here, do I have more than one 
way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on his brakes how would 
I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn right now into my path, 
could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into the street.   etc... you get 
the idea.    You must stay 100% alert, always.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be one of 
them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without thinking. The 
main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every single other driver 
on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to pretend the driver 
can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume that they can see you, 
and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you into complacency and into 
their alleged "blind spot" where they will POUNCE. It can get tiring but every 
car I pass I'm constantly thinking of what sneaky move they're going to pull to 
run me off the road. 


-Kyle 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook <drylightn...@gmail.com> wrote:
This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the "horse." 
There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting used to that, 
and perhaps always will be

RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Richard Potter]

If loud pipes save lives
How come they do not point forward?

From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Munz
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:50 AM
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the "loud 
pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to kill me" 
approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still spend the 
majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The difference I try to 
make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive regarding other 
vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh, he may not see me 
here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify their possible strike 
zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan to spend as little time as 
possible in them.


-Kyle

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte 
<vturbine.po...@gmail.com<mailto:vturbine.po...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, but I 
personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you."

I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, everyone is 
out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and "cagers." It's only a 
very short step from that into open antagonism.

I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see you." 
Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.

Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders who 
hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating. No wonder 
they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing their safety 
off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a sane person!

Kurt

On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook" 
<drylightn...@gmail.com<mailto:drylightn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some 
point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I 
went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I 
crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.

It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were 
several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.

I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very interesting. 
Seems like good advice.

3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and make 
it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly darted out 
into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to avoid a dog, 
would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now, could I stop 
without dropping the bike?If these cars go here, do I have more than one 
way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on his brakes how would 
I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn right now into my path, 
could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into the street.   etc... you get 
the idea.You must stay 100% alert, always.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz 
<kyle...@gmail.com<mailto:kyle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be one of 
them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without thinking. The 
main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every single other driver 
on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to pretend the driver 
can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume that they can see you, 
and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you into complacency and into 
their alleged "blind spot" where they will POUNCE. It can get tiring but every 
car I pass I'm constantly thinking of what sneaky move they're going to pull to 
run me off the road.


-Kyle

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook 
<drylightn...@gmail.com<mailto:drylightn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the "horse." 
There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting used to that, 
and perhaps always will be.

This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles and it 
was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work today (20 
mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I should do some 
more "short rides" before I take the bike to work. Considering that my accident 
was on the way home from work, I think she may be onto something.

My car is parked outside...

Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM, 
<mark.wf...@gmail.com&l

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

I agree about not riding in a car's blindspot, and the fallacy of the "loud
pipes save lives" theory. And while I take the "everyone is trying to kill
me" approach, I don't have an "us vs them" mentality since I still spend
the majority of my time in a cage rather than on a bike. The difference I
try to make with that statement is to be a bit more proactive regarding
other vehicles. Don't ride into their strike zone and think "Oh, he may not
see me here I should move." Instead, with each vehicle identify their
possible strike zones and stay out of them if possible, if not plan to
spend as little time as possible in them.


-Kyle

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Kurt Nolte 
wrote:

> Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, but
> I personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you."
>
> I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, everyone
> is out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and "cagers." It's
> only a very short step from that into open antagonism.
>
> I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see
> you." Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.
>
> Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders
> who hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating.
> No wonder they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing
> their safety off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a
> sane person!
>
> Kurt
>
> On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:
>
> I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some
> point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I
> went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I
> crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.
>
> It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were
> several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.
>
> I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very
> interesting. Seems like good advice.
>
> 3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and
> make it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly
> darted out into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to
> avoid a dog, would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now,
> could I stop without dropping the bike?If these cars go here, do I have
> more than one way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on
> his brakes how would I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn
> right now into my path, could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into
> the street.   etc... you get the idea.You must stay 100% alert, always.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz  wrote:
>
>> There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be
>> one of them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without
>> thinking. The main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every
>> single other driver on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to
>> pretend the driver can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume
>> that they can see you, and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you
>> into complacency and into their alleged "blind spot" where they will
>> POUNCE. It can get tiring but every car I pass I'm constantly thinking of
>> what sneaky move they're going to pull to run me off the road.
>>
>>
>> -Kyle
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the
>>> "horse." There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting
>>> used to that, and perhaps always will be.
>>>
>>> This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles
>>> and it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work
>>> today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I
>>> should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work.
>>> Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may
>>> be onto something.
>>>
>>> My car is parked outside...
>>>
>>> Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I like where this discussion has gone.
 It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently.

 I've been riding for a pretty long time now.
 I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior,
 leading some to believe that I am accomplished.

 But there is always something that will help you recall what scary
 feels like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is.

 They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they 

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kurt Nolte]

Staying constantly alert and riding defensively is always good advice, but
I personally detest the phrase "ride like everyone is out to kill you."

I've seen far, far too many people turn that into "I'm on a bike, everyone
is out to kill me" and becomes very bitter about "cages" and "cagers." It's
only a very short step from that into open antagonism.

I much prefer "ride like you're invisible" or "ride like nobody can see
you." Same effect, less "us versus them" personal antagonism.

Another important question to ask: CAN they see me? The number of riders
who hang out in that driver's side rear corner blind spot is frustrating.
No wonder they think they need loud equipment to be "safe," they're fobbing
their safety off on someone else because they can't be arsed to ride like a
sane person!

Kurt

On Aug 17, 2016 11:04 AM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:

I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some
point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I
went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I
crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.

It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were
several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.

I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very
interesting. Seems like good advice.

3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and
make it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly
darted out into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to
avoid a dog, would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now,
could I stop without dropping the bike?If these cars go here, do I have
more than one way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on
his brakes how would I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn
right now into my path, could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into
the street.   etc... you get the idea.You must stay 100% alert, always.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz  wrote:

> There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be
> one of them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without
> thinking. The main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every
> single other driver on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to
> pretend the driver can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume
> that they can see you, and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you
> into complacency and into their alleged "blind spot" where they will
> POUNCE. It can get tiring but every car I pass I'm constantly thinking of
> what sneaky move they're going to pull to run me off the road.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>
>> This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the
>> "horse." There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting
>> used to that, and perhaps always will be.
>>
>> This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles
>> and it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work
>> today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I
>> should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work.
>> Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may
>> be onto something.
>>
>> My car is parked outside...
>>
>> Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I like where this discussion has gone.
>>> It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently.
>>>
>>> I've been riding for a pretty long time now.
>>> I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior,
>>> leading some to believe that I am accomplished.
>>>
>>> But there is always something that will help you recall what scary feels
>>> like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is.
>>>
>>> They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they decide they will
>>> fill a gap between old road surface and patch with a little strip of tar.
>>> NOW they have decided to dribble some coarse sand over the top of these
>>> lines of tar. This makes them look like the older hardened patches, but
>>> they are not. On a hot day they are little road traps waiting for
>>> motorcycles.
>>>
>>> I was on one of our local two-lane curves, laid over the appropriate
>>> amount and hit one of these lines. Like a banana peel, that crust on top of
>>> the tar slid right out from under my front tire. It catches you so very
>>> off-guard and shoots adrenaline everywhere.
>>>
>>> The normal response, in that split-second of panic, is to come off the
>>> throttle, come out of the turn/lean which will take you into oncoming
>>> traffic, or off the road, depending on which direction you are 

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

I can definitely sense that countersteering will be second nature at some
point. When I was riding recently I was in a curve *exactly* like the one I
went down in, and I had the exact same brief panicked feeling I did when I
crashed, but knew what to do and it was no problem.

It rained the day before I was out on the road this weekend and there were
several spots with dirt/sand on the road. That was scary.

I read this on a website about motorcycle safety and found it very
interesting. Seems like good advice.

3. Play a mental game where you imagine everyone is trying to kill you and
make it look like an accident.   For example, if this person suddenly
darted out into traffic, could I stop in time?   If this person swerved to
avoid a dog, would they hit me?   If I had to slam on my brakes right now,
could I stop without dropping the bike?If these cars go here, do I have
more than one way out? If this guy got brake checked and then slammed on
his brakes how would I survive behind him? If this person made a left turn
right now into my path, could I avoid it.  If that kid suddenly ran into
the street.   etc... you get the idea.You must stay 100% alert, always.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Kyle Munz  wrote:

> There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be
> one of them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without
> thinking. The main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every
> single other driver on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to
> pretend the driver can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume
> that they can see you, and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you
> into complacency and into their alleged "blind spot" where they will
> POUNCE. It can get tiring but every car I pass I'm constantly thinking of
> what sneaky move they're going to pull to run me off the road.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>
>> This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the
>> "horse." There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting
>> used to that, and perhaps always will be.
>>
>> This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles
>> and it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work
>> today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I
>> should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work.
>> Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may
>> be onto something.
>>
>> My car is parked outside...
>>
>> Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I like where this discussion has gone.
>>> It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently.
>>>
>>> I've been riding for a pretty long time now.
>>> I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior,
>>> leading some to believe that I am accomplished.
>>>
>>> But there is always something that will help you recall what scary feels
>>> like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is.
>>>
>>> They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they decide they will
>>> fill a gap between old road surface and patch with a little strip of tar.
>>> NOW they have decided to dribble some coarse sand over the top of these
>>> lines of tar. This makes them look like the older hardened patches, but
>>> they are not. On a hot day they are little road traps waiting for
>>> motorcycles.
>>>
>>> I was on one of our local two-lane curves, laid over the appropriate
>>> amount and hit one of these lines. Like a banana peel, that crust on top of
>>> the tar slid right out from under my front tire. It catches you so very
>>> off-guard and shoots adrenaline everywhere.
>>>
>>> The normal response, in that split-second of panic, is to come off the
>>> throttle, come out of the turn/lean which will take you into oncoming
>>> traffic, or off the road, depending on which direction you are turning at
>>> the time. Fortunately there was no oncoming traffic, it was a curve right.
>>>
>>> It is right after this that I needed the reminder of this whole thread
>>> lurking in my mind. In the next split second, still in panic mode now
>>> because I am going into the other lane, I had to tell myself to stop
>>> reacting and continue to counter steer to re-align myself and get out of
>>> the path of oncoming.
>>>
>>> I am very confident with the application of, and even the mechanics
>>> explaining counter steering. However, I am not so experienced that I can
>>> handle all of those "hitting a banana peel" moments as though they are
>>> routine. I'm not sure I really want to get that experienced at it either.
>>>
>>> This thread is timeless.
>>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

There is a lot to think about, but things like countersteer shouldn't be
one of them. The more you practice it the more it just happens without
thinking. The main thing to think about while riding is how exactly every
single other driver on the road is planning to kill you. MSF teaches you to
pretend the driver can't see you, which is wrong. You should always assume
that they can see you, and are only pretending that haven't yet to lure you
into complacency and into their alleged "blind spot" where they will
POUNCE. It can get tiring but every car I pass I'm constantly thinking of
what sneaky move they're going to pull to run me off the road.


-Kyle

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Dan Cook  wrote:

> This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the "horse."
> There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting used to
> that, and perhaps always will be.
>
> This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles and
> it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work
> today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I
> should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work.
> Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may
> be onto something.
>
> My car is parked outside...
>
> Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I like where this discussion has gone.
>> It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently.
>>
>> I've been riding for a pretty long time now.
>> I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior,
>> leading some to believe that I am accomplished.
>>
>> But there is always something that will help you recall what scary feels
>> like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is.
>>
>> They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they decide they will
>> fill a gap between old road surface and patch with a little strip of tar.
>> NOW they have decided to dribble some coarse sand over the top of these
>> lines of tar. This makes them look like the older hardened patches, but
>> they are not. On a hot day they are little road traps waiting for
>> motorcycles.
>>
>> I was on one of our local two-lane curves, laid over the appropriate
>> amount and hit one of these lines. Like a banana peel, that crust on top of
>> the tar slid right out from under my front tire. It catches you so very
>> off-guard and shoots adrenaline everywhere.
>>
>> The normal response, in that split-second of panic, is to come off the
>> throttle, come out of the turn/lean which will take you into oncoming
>> traffic, or off the road, depending on which direction you are turning at
>> the time. Fortunately there was no oncoming traffic, it was a curve right.
>>
>> It is right after this that I needed the reminder of this whole thread
>> lurking in my mind. In the next split second, still in panic mode now
>> because I am going into the other lane, I had to tell myself to stop
>> reacting and continue to counter steer to re-align myself and get out of
>> the path of oncoming.
>>
>> I am very confident with the application of, and even the mechanics
>> explaining counter steering. However, I am not so experienced that I can
>> handle all of those "hitting a banana peel" moments as though they are
>> routine. I'm not sure I really want to get that experienced at it either.
>>
>> This thread is timeless.
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

This thread has been immensely helpful to me as I get back on the "horse."
There is so much to think about when riding. I'm still getting used to
that, and perhaps always will be.

This weekend I spent some time in an industrial park riding in circles and
it was extremely enjoyable. I told my wife I was going to ride to work
today (20 mile commute, mostly country roads) and she said she thought I
should do some more "short rides" before I take the bike to work.
Considering that my accident was on the way home from work, I think she may
be onto something.

My car is parked outside...

Wife does not like this new hobby, so I have to give sometimes.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 PM,  wrote:

> I like where this discussion has gone.
> It also proved a helpful little seed in the back of my mind recently.
>
> I've been riding for a pretty long time now.
> I'm old, experienced and capable of some occasional cocky behavior,
> leading some to believe that I am accomplished.
>
> But there is always something that will help you recall what scary feels
> like, how precarious two-wheeled travel really is.
>
> They are patching roads around here, and sometimes they decide they will
> fill a gap between old road surface and patch with a little strip of tar.
> NOW they have decided to dribble some coarse sand over the top of these
> lines of tar. This makes them look like the older hardened patches, but
> they are not. On a hot day they are little road traps waiting for
> motorcycles.
>
> I was on one of our local two-lane curves, laid over the appropriate
> amount and hit one of these lines. Like a banana peel, that crust on top of
> the tar slid right out from under my front tire. It catches you so very
> off-guard and shoots adrenaline everywhere.
>
> The normal response, in that split-second of panic, is to come off the
> throttle, come out of the turn/lean which will take you into oncoming
> traffic, or off the road, depending on which direction you are turning at
> the time. Fortunately there was no oncoming traffic, it was a curve right.
>
> It is right after this that I needed the reminder of this whole thread
> lurking in my mind. In the next split second, still in panic mode now
> because I am going into the other lane, I had to tell myself to stop
> reacting and continue to counter steer to re-align myself and get out of
> the path of oncoming.
>
> I am very confident with the application of, and even the mechanics
> explaining counter steering. However, I am not so experienced that I can
> handle all of those "hitting a banana peel" moments as though they are
> routine. I'm not sure I really want to get that experienced at it either.
>
> This thread is timeless.
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

Like I said, nothing feels better than getting the countersteer right on a
long sweeping turn.


-Kyle

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Kurt Nolte 
wrote:

> These lightbulb moments are so fun to watch.
>
> On Aug 15, 2016 10:37, "Dan Cook"  wrote:
>
>> Holy crap...countersteering is FUN.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>>
>>> Figured it out. Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2016 1:41 PM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the offer but we're talking the oldest boy to his first year
 of college tomorrow.

 On Aug 13, 2016 5:57 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:

> The headlight is held on by two bolts. There are positioning nicks on
> one side that you match up for the correct position. Loosen, align nicks 
> or
> otherwise position to taste (easier to do at night), and tighten. This is
> all I've ever done.
>
> I'm going to be riding through your area tomorrow on my way to NH if
> you'd like me to stop by.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kurt Nolte]

These lightbulb moments are so fun to watch.

On Aug 15, 2016 10:37, "Dan Cook"  wrote:

> Holy crap...countersteering is FUN.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>
>> Figured it out. Thanks again!
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2016 1:41 PM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the offer but we're talking the oldest boy to his first year
>>> of college tomorrow.
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2016 5:57 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:
>>>
 The headlight is held on by two bolts. There are positioning nicks on
 one side that you match up for the correct position. Loosen, align nicks or
 otherwise position to taste (easier to do at night), and tighten. This is
 all I've ever done.

 I'm going to be riding through your area tomorrow on my way to NH if
 you'd like me to stop by.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

Holy crap...countersteering is FUN.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:

> Figured it out. Thanks again!
>
> On Aug 13, 2016 1:41 PM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the offer but we're talking the oldest boy to his first year
>> of college tomorrow.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2016 5:57 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:
>>
>>> The headlight is held on by two bolts. There are positioning nicks on
>>> one side that you match up for the correct position. Loosen, align nicks or
>>> otherwise position to taste (easier to do at night), and tighten. This is
>>> all I've ever done.
>>>
>>> I'm going to be riding through your area tomorrow on my way to NH if
>>> you'd like me to stop by.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

Figured it out. Thanks again!

On Aug 13, 2016 1:41 PM, "Dan Cook"  wrote:

> Thanks for the offer but we're talking the oldest boy to his first year of
> college tomorrow.
>
> On Aug 13, 2016 5:57 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:
>
>> The headlight is held on by two bolts. There are positioning nicks on one
>> side that you match up for the correct position. Loosen, align nicks or
>> otherwise position to taste (easier to do at night), and tighten. This is
>> all I've ever done.
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

Thanks for the offer but we're talking the oldest boy to his first year of
college tomorrow.

On Aug 13, 2016 5:57 AM, "EGrider"  wrote:

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kyle Munz]

Twist of the Wrist is on YouTube if you don't mind Bulgarian subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIIK0-n_ekw



-Kyle

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:

> Good thought, Jeremy. I'll keep that in mind. Definitely going to check
> out the book and video.
>
> On Aug 10, 2016 4:07 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> Don't look at it as steering.  It's lean/tilt.  Lean right, push right
>> grip, go right.  Lean left, push left grip, go left.  Telling you though
>> twist of the wrist is a great video, and also reading proficient
>> motorcycling 1&2
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>>
>> Yes to what Jim said. I didn't really know what it was when I dropped the
>> bike, and now realize that if I had known I could have easily avoided it. I
>> haven't had a chance to practice it on my bike yet because it still needs a
>> new gear shifter. But I tried it on a bicycle and it really works. I'm
>> going to need a lot of parking lot hours practicing this.
>>
>> Here is a good start to understanding the concept:
>> http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/25/know-how-to-countersteer-correctly
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Bolen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Countersteering-
>>> Push left, go left. Push right, go right. It only works after about
>>> 12-14 miles an hour.
>>> What you are doing is putting the tire on edge, so it has no choice but
>>> to go that way (layman's terms). The more you push, the more you lean.
>>> Bikes can handle more lean than you think they can (as long as road
>>> conditions allow).
>>>
>>> This is a hard concept at first for my students to grasp, but once they
>>> do, it's a major light bulb moment. One great way to practice it is to do
>>> weaving drills. Set cones about 15 feet apart, go at about 15-20 mph and
>>> just practice it. Pretty soon it becomes second nature.
>>>
>>> Seeing as most of the single vehicle accidents are in the corners (too
>>> much speed, lack of countersteering), this is a crucial concept to learn.
>>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

Good thought, Jeremy. I'll keep that in mind. Definitely going to check out
the book and video.

On Aug 10, 2016 4:07 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Don't look at it as steering.  It's lean/tilt.  Lean right, push right
> grip, go right.  Lean left, push left grip, go left.  Telling you though
> twist of the wrist is a great video, and also reading proficient
> motorcycling 1&2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:
>
> Yes to what Jim said. I didn't really know what it was when I dropped the
> bike, and now realize that if I had known I could have easily avoided it. I
> haven't had a chance to practice it on my bike yet because it still needs a
> new gear shifter. But I tried it on a bicycle and it really works. I'm
> going to need a lot of parking lot hours practicing this.
>
> Here is a good start to understanding the concept:
> http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/25/know-how-to-countersteer-correctly
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Bolen 
> wrote:
>
>> Countersteering-
>> Push left, go left. Push right, go right. It only works after about 12-14
>> miles an hour.
>> What you are doing is putting the tire on edge, so it has no choice but
>> to go that way (layman's terms). The more you push, the more you lean.
>> Bikes can handle more lean than you think they can (as long as road
>> conditions allow).
>>
>> This is a hard concept at first for my students to grasp, but once they
>> do, it's a major light bulb moment. One great way to practice it is to do
>> weaving drills. Set cones about 15 feet apart, go at about 15-20 mph and
>> just practice it. Pretty soon it becomes second nature.
>>
>> Seeing as most of the single vehicle accidents are in the corners (too
>> much speed, lack of countersteering), this is a crucial concept to learn.
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Jeremy]

Don't look at it as steering.  It's lean/tilt.  Lean right, push right grip, go 
right.  Lean left, push left grip, go left.  Telling you though twist of the 
wrist is a great video, and also reading proficient motorcycling 1&2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Dan Cook  wrote:
> 
> Yes to what Jim said. I didn't really know what it was when I dropped the 
> bike, and now realize that if I had known I could have easily avoided it. I 
> haven't had a chance to practice it on my bike yet because it still needs a 
> new gear shifter. But I tried it on a bicycle and it really works. I'm going 
> to need a lot of parking lot hours practicing this.
> 
> Here is a good start to understanding the concept:
> http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/25/know-how-to-countersteer-correctly
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Bolen  wrote:
>> Countersteering-
>> Push left, go left. Push right, go right. It only works after about 12-14 
>> miles an hour.
>> What you are doing is putting the tire on edge, so it has no choice but to 
>> go that way (layman's terms). The more you push, the more you lean. Bikes 
>> can handle more lean than you think they can (as long as road conditions 
>> allow).
>> 
>> This is a hard concept at first for my students to grasp, but once they do, 
>> it's a major light bulb moment. One great way to practice it is to do 
>> weaving drills. Set cones about 15 feet apart, go at about 15-20 mph and 
>> just practice it. Pretty soon it becomes second nature.
>> 
>> Seeing as most of the single vehicle accidents are in the corners (too much 
>> speed, lack of countersteering), this is a crucial concept to learn.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dan Cook]

Yes to what Jim said. I didn't really know what it was when I dropped the
bike, and now realize that if I had known I could have easily avoided it. I
haven't had a chance to practice it on my bike yet because it still needs a
new gear shifter. But I tried it on a bicycle and it really works. I'm
going to need a lot of parking lot hours practicing this.

Here is a good start to understanding the concept:
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/25/know-how-to-countersteer-correctly

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jim Bolen  wrote:

> Countersteering-
> Push left, go left. Push right, go right. It only works after about 12-14
> miles an hour.
> What you are doing is putting the tire on edge, so it has no choice but to
> go that way (layman's terms). The more you push, the more you lean. Bikes
> can handle more lean than you think they can (as long as road conditions
> allow).
>
> This is a hard concept at first for my students to grasp, but once they
> do, it's a major light bulb moment. One great way to practice it is to do
> weaving drills. Set cones about 15 feet apart, go at about 15-20 mph and
> just practice it. Pretty soon it becomes second nature.
>
> Seeing as most of the single vehicle accidents are in the corners (too
> much speed, lack of countersteering), this is a crucial concept to learn.
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Kurt Nolte]

Basically, pushing lightly on the handlebar on the same side that you're
turning. It induces lean, and the change in effective radius and direction
of rotation of the tires is what accomplishes the turn rather than a direct
change of direction.

Best I've got, it's a second Monday for me. Bleah.

Kurt

On Aug 9, 2016 06:45, "EGrider"  wrote:

> What is countersteering?
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: It took less than two weeks...

[Dave duChêne]

Type it on youtube, some good stuff there. I didn't know what it meant
either.

On 9 August 2016 at 07:45, EGrider  wrote:

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