Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
David Wooten wrote:
 On Oct 25, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
 
 David Wooten wrote:
 Greetings all,

 A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/ 
 distributed by
 a POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas  
 in the
 main font being replaced by an ff ligature). Obviously the printer
 didn't check their results. The file /reads/ fine both for me and the
 publisher, but the printer let us know that the file is unprintable  
 due
 to problems with fonts not being embedded (why they originally  
 printed
 an unprintable file I'll never know).

 [...]
 
 Thanks, Pablo and Luigi,
 
 I was able to run pdffonts and check my file, it agrees with adobe  
 acrobat in saying that all fonts are embedded. SoI'm going to send  
 the publisher the current file and see what happens. I'm only 98% sure  
 that it's exactly the same as the original file I sent, so I am  
 slightly hopeful that it will work out better.

Hi David,

I don't know whether this will work, but I think that the best option 
would be to try to get the PDF files both from the publisher and the 
printer and the check whether they are really the same (using md5sum or 
sha1sum) and then check the different file(s) with pdffonts.

If the fonts are there, somehow the PDF interpreter that printed the 
dissertation wasn't able to read the font itself or its mapping.

I hope it helps,


Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Hello David,

the only thing that I can tell you: a few days/weeks ago I have
noticed that Adobe Acrobat destroys encodings of documents made by
ConTeXt when I compress the document (in order to reduce size, I tried
to downsample and compress graphics). My first impression as that this
happens because I include some PDF figures that possibly include the
same font, and Acrobat tries to compress the document by using the
same encoding for all fonts. So I get weird characters in place of
ligatures and accented letters. The problem is not easily reproducible
when trying to make a minimal example. (I did not manage to do that
yet.)

This is still on the short-term waiting list for me to figure out
which figure causes problems, though it probably won't help me much,
as it's almost definitely a bug in Acrobat. The only thing I could do
is send the file with minimal example to Adobe and then wait for ages
to resolve that bug (or try to use some other version on another
operating system).

I could easily imagine that the same kind of problem happens in print
shop, where software isn't capable of fully interpreting the PDF you
are sending there.

The same weird kind of problem also happend to my colleague when he
prepared slides in beamer (when 99% do it in Powerpoint, even though
all the slides are full of equations), and then symbols in equations
were completely screwed up (he didn't have his own laptop, and took it
from University) in Adobe reader. Absolutely no idea why this has
happened.

I could suggest you to remove images and ask the printshop to try to
print without images, but you cannot easily experiment with their
printer. Maybe the easiest thing to do would be to try to print
somewhere else.

If there are bugs in software that doesn't depend on you, there's not
much that you could do. LaTeX would most probably cause you the same
problem when using the same font.

Mojca

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM, David Wooten wrote:
 Greetings all,
 A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/distributed by a
 POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas in the main
 font being replaced by an ff ligature). Obviously the printer didn't check
 their results. The file reads fine both for me and the publisher, but the
 printer let us know that the file is unprintable due to problems with fonts
 not being embedded (why they originally printed an unprintable file I'll
 never know).
 Now as far as I can tell, fonts are embedded. It was made with context MKII,
 using hz and hanging punctuation, etc. When I look at the document in Adobe
 Acrobat, and check the document/font details, it gives a list of embedded
 fonts only.
 I'm not certain that the printer is in the right, but how can I tell? Is it
 possible that the pdf was altered when transferred from me to the publisher
 then to the printer? That compression of the pdf (zip) had any impact? Any
 other possibilities? What do you need to know to offer advice? ---I can send
 the file or a part of it if it is needed.
 Best,
 David
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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Mojca Miklavec 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello David,

 the only thing that I can tell you: a few days/weeks ago I have
 noticed that Adobe Acrobat destroys encodings of documents made by
 ConTeXt when I compress the document (in order to reduce size, I tried
 to downsample and compress graphics). My first impression as that this
 happens because I include some PDF figures that possibly include the
 same font, and Acrobat tries to compress the document by using the
 same encoding for all fonts. So I get weird characters in place of
 ligatures and accented letters. The problem is not easily reproducible
 when trying to make a minimal example. (I did not manage to do that
 yet.)

Do you have an example ?
-- 
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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/10/26 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 the only thing that I can tell you: a few days/weeks ago I have
 noticed that Adobe Acrobat destroys encodings of documents made by
 ConTeXt when I compress the document (in order to reduce size, I tried
 to downsample and compress graphics). My first impression as that this

We had a related problem with garbled characters when compressing PDF
1.6 - 1.3 with Acrobat. 1.6 - 1.6 works, though.

Best
   Martin
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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Martin Schröder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/10/26 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  the only thing that I can tell you: a few days/weeks ago I have
  noticed that Adobe Acrobat destroys encodings of documents made by
  ConTeXt when I compress the document (in order to reduce size, I tried
  to downsample and compress graphics). My first impression as that this

 We had a related problem with garbled characters when compressing PDF
 1.6 - 1.3 with Acrobat. 1.6 - 1.6 works, though.

Do you have an example ?

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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-26 Thread Alan BRASLAU
Gee, I thought that the p in pdf stood for portable...

Alan
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[NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-25 Thread David Wooten

Greetings all,

A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/distributed  
by a POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas  
in the main font being replaced by an ff ligature). Obviously the  
printer didn't check their results. The file reads fine both for me  
and the publisher, but the printer let us know that the file is  
unprintable due to problems with fonts not being embedded (why they  
originally printed an unprintable file I'll never know).


Now as far as I can tell, fonts are embedded. It was made with context  
MKII, using hz and hanging punctuation, etc. When I look at the  
document in Adobe Acrobat, and check the document/font details, it  
gives a list of embedded fonts only.


I'm not certain that the printer is in the right, but how can I tell?  
Is it possible that the pdf was altered when transferred from me to  
the publisher then to the printer? That compression of the pdf (zip)  
had any impact? Any other possibilities? What do you need to know to  
offer advice? ---I can send the file or a part of it if it is needed.


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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-25 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
David Wooten wrote:
 Greetings all,
 
 A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/distributed by 
 a POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas in the 
 main font being replaced by an ff ligature). Obviously the printer 
 didn't check their results. The file /reads/ fine both for me and the 
 publisher, but the printer let us know that the file is unprintable due 
 to problems with fonts not being embedded (why they originally printed 
 an unprintable file I'll never know).
 
 Now as far as I can tell, fonts /are /embedded. It was made with context 
 MKII, using hz and hanging punctuation, etc. When I look at the document 
 in Adobe Acrobat, and check the document/font details, it gives a list 
 of embedded fonts only. 
 
 I'm not certain that the printer is in the right, but how can I tell? Is 
 it possible that the pdf was altered when transferred from me to the 
 publisher then to the printer? That compression of the pdf (zip) had any 
 impact? Any other possibilities? What do you need to know to offer 
 advice? ---I can send the file or a part of it if it is needed.

Hi David,

if the printer didn't alter the file and the fonts were embedded in the 
original PDF document, they didn't vanished. The zip compression doesn't 
alter those things (AFAIK).

A way to check whether the fonts are embedded or not, you can download 
ftp://ftp.foolabs.com/pub/xpdf/xpdf-3.02pl2-dos6.zip (if you are using 
Windows) and run from the command-line

pdffonts dissertation-filename.pdf

Replace dissertation-filename.pdf with the actual file name and pdffonts 
will display all font information.

If this is too complicated for you, send me the original file in a 
private reply and I will post the results.

I hope it helps,


Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-25 Thread luigi scarso
hi david,
I'm working in printing house




 A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/distributed by a
 POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas in the main
 font being replaced by an ff ligature).

Horrors, and really strange


 Obviously the printer didn't check their results.



The file *reads* fine both for me and the publisher, but the printer let us
 know that the file is unprintable due to problems with fonts not being
 embedded

This is  a common problem


 (why they originally printed an unprintable file I'll never know).

money ?



 Now as far as I can tell, fonts *are *embedded. It was made with context
 MKII, using hz and hanging punctuation, etc. When I look at the document in
 Adobe Acrobat, and check the document/font details, it gives a list of
 embedded fonts only.

Are you sure?
As pable write
pdffonts is very good


 I'm not certain that the printer is in the right, but how can I tell? Is it
 possible that the pdf was altered when transferred from me to the publisher
 then to the printer?

With very hight probability , no ; pdf is a 'bynary' format
an alteration will broken the file.



 That compression of the pdf (zip) had any impact?

With very hight probability , no .

 Any other possibilities? What do you need to know to offer advice?



 I can send the file or a part of it if it is needed.

yes, if you want .


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Re: [NTG-context] Embedded fonts question

2008-10-25 Thread David Wooten

On Oct 25, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:

 David Wooten wrote:
 Greetings all,

 A sad story: My context-typeset dissertation was printed/ 
 distributed by
 a POD publisher with aweful typographical errors (like all commas  
 in the
 main font being replaced by an ff ligature). Obviously the printer
 didn't check their results. The file /reads/ fine both for me and the
 publisher, but the printer let us know that the file is unprintable  
 due
 to problems with fonts not being embedded (why they originally  
 printed
 an unprintable file I'll never know).

 Now as far as I can tell, fonts /are /embedded. It was made with  
 context
 MKII, using hz and hanging punctuation, etc. When I look at the  
 document
 in Adobe Acrobat, and check the document/font details, it gives a  
 list
 of embedded fonts only.

 I'm not certain that the printer is in the right, but how can I  
 tell? Is
 it possible that the pdf was altered when transferred from me to the
 publisher then to the printer? That compression of the pdf (zip)  
 had any
 impact? Any other possibilities? What do you need to know to offer
 advice? ---I can send the file or a part of it if it is needed.

 Hi David,

 if the printer didn't alter the file and the fonts were embedded in  
 the
 original PDF document, they didn't vanished. The zip compression  
 doesn't
 alter those things (AFAIK).

 A way to check whether the fonts are embedded or not, you can download
 ftp://ftp.foolabs.com/pub/xpdf/xpdf-3.02pl2-dos6.zip (if you are using
 Windows) and run from the command-line

   pdffonts dissertation-filename.pdf

 Replace dissertation-filename.pdf with the actual file name and  
 pdffonts
 will display all font information.

 If this is too complicated for you, send me the original file in a
 private reply and I will post the results.

 I hope it helps,


 Pablo

Thanks, Pablo and Luigi,

I was able to run pdffonts and check my file, it agrees with adobe  
acrobat in saying that all fonts are embedded. SoI'm going to send  
the publisher the current file and see what happens. I'm only 98% sure  
that it's exactly the same as the original file I sent, so I am  
slightly hopeful that it will work out better.

Thanks again for your quick responses,
David
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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2007-05-08 um 11:21 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:
 Did I use the term pseudo small caps incorrectly? I assumed that the
 version I generated is pseudo because it wasn't expressly designed.
 That's also how the term is used in the wiki
 (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Pseudo_Small_Caps). But there is  
 also the
 possibility of \cap{}, which simply generates smaller but otherwise
 normal upper case letters, and which consequently are embedded. Are  
 they
 both pseudo?

Only originally designed small caps are real, all automatically  
generated (regardless of the mechanics) are pseudo.

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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-08 Thread Jörg Hagmann
Thanks for the tips and explanations regarding font-embedding. With this 
help, I managed to detect the culprit at the last moment. I used 
lettrines which by default uses small caps for the immediately 
following characters.

In summary, I learned that the capitalised versions of a font (gentium) 
I generated myself (texfont ... --ca=* ) are not embedded 
because -- this is my conclusions -- there are only tfm and no 
corresponding ttf files.

Did I use the term pseudo small caps incorrectly? I assumed that the 
version I generated is pseudo because it wasn't expressly designed. 
That's also how the term is used in the wiki 
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Pseudo_Small_Caps). But there is also the 
possibility of \cap{}, which simply generates smaller but otherwise 
normal upper case letters, and which consequently are embedded. Are they 
both pseudo?

Cheers, Jörg

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
 Hello Jörg,

 I just checked your PDF. Your printshop is right, even if the font  
 (Gentium) *is* embedded. How's that?

 You've some error in the formatting of your uppercase words after the  
 initial and same formatting in some subtitles - that addresses an  
 other Gentium face that isn't embedded - because it doesn't exist  
 (probably condensed).

 If you can't find it yourself, show us your font and title setup!

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[NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Jörg Hagmann
Dear list members,

I have a possibly off-topic and certainly naive question. But  
unfortunately it's urgent, and a systematic search would take too long:

I just finished a 84 page document and sent it to the printer. They  
say the fonts are not embedded. Is there a switch that allows me to  
do that? If not, what else can I do?

Thanks a lot, Jörg
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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2007-05-04 um 13:38 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:

 I have a possibly off-topic and certainly naive question. But
 unfortunately it's urgent, and a systematic search would take too  
 long:

 I just finished a 84 page document and sent it to the printer. They
 say the fonts are not embedded. Is there a switch that allows me to
 do that? If not, what else can I do?

You don't tell us which fonts you use and which TeX engine / output  
workflow.

If they're the basic PS fonts (Helvetica/Arial, Times, Courier) they  
don't get embedded by default, because every RIP *must* have them.  
Some printshop workflow software complains anyway (I get that very  
often at work), but you can ignore it in that special case.

Otherwise, it may be your TeX fonts aren't installed properly and  
they're really not embedded or perhaps only as Type-3 pixel fonts.

You can send me your PDF off-list, I'll check it.


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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Tobias Burnus
Hi Jörg,

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
 I have a possibly off-topic and certainly naive question. But  
 unfortunately it's urgent, and a systematic search would take too long:
 I just finished a 84 page document and sent it to the printer. They  
 say the fonts are not embedded. Is there a switch that allows me to  
 do that? If not, what else can I do?
   
In principle pdftex should embed all fonts (actually only the subset of
used glyphs). The only case when this does not happen is for the
standard postscript fonts (Times, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol), which are
by default not embedded.

(Adobe used to include them with Acrobat Reader; now it does not with
the nice result that Helvetica is used on Postscript printers, Arial
on Windows [screen/non-postscript printers], etc.)

For teTex/TeX Live (Unix):
http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2005/08/29/getting-pdflatex-to-embed-all-fonts/
|pdftexDownloadBase14 true

This will use on several computers no Times/Helvetica but the URW+
clones of these.


Generally, the behaviour depends on the .map file. I have:

/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map

Depending of the ||pdftexDownloadBase14 setting, I have either:

hv Helvetica TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc

This uses Helvetica as it comes with the PDF renderer. Or:

hv NimbusSanL-Regu TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc uhvr8a.pfb

This uses the Hevetica clone Nimbus Sans L which is contained in the
file uhvr8a.pfb.



Hope it helped. If not: What TeX distribution do you use under which
operating system?
Which fonts are you using?
What does Adobe Reader tell you?
(On my system: File|Document Properties...|Fonts
shows the fonts used by the document. It contains
for instance:
  a CMBX10 (Embedded Subset)
  TT Arial (Embedded Subset)
)


Tobias|

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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Tobias Burnus
Hi,

[embedded fonts]

I forgot to mention one thing which is easily overlooked: Your EPS (or
PDF) figures also need to have the fonts embedded. If you use metapost,
TeX does so; otherwise you need to instruct the program which creates
the EPS/PDF to embed the fonts.

Tobias
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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Jörg Hagmann


Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
 Am 2007-05-04 um 13:38 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:

   
 I have a possibly off-topic and certainly naive question. But
 unfortunately it's urgent, and a systematic search would take too  
 long:

 I just finished a 84 page document and sent it to the printer. They
 say the fonts are not embedded. Is there a switch that allows me to
 do that? If not, what else can I do?
 

 You don't tell us which fonts you use and which TeX engine / output  
 workflow.
   
I use gentium and -- for bold -- LinLibertine. I installed these fonts 
myself with texfont.
The engine is pdftex (I think). I run texmfstart texexec --pdf myfile.tex.
 If they're the basic PS fonts (Helvetica/Arial, Times, Courier) they  
 don't get embedded by default, because every RIP *must* have them.  
 Some printshop workflow software complains anyway (I get that very  
 often at work), but you can ignore it in that special case.

 Otherwise, it may be your TeX fonts aren't installed properly and  
 they're really not embedded or perhaps only as Type-3 pixel fonts.

 You can send me your PDF off-list, I'll check it.


 Greetlings from Lake Constance!
 Hraban
 ---
 http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2007-05-04 um 16:06 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:
 You don't tell us which fonts you use and which TeX engine / output
 workflow.
 I use gentium and -- for bold -- LinLibertine. I installed these fonts
 myself with texfont.
 The engine is pdftex (I think). I run texmfstart texexec --pdf  
 myfile.tex.

Ok, no detour via DVI.

Any error messages? Look after missing/unknown font messages in your  
logs!
Show us your font setup!
Look into the document properties, fonts tab, in Acrobat - any  
original font set to Adobe Serif MM or the like? What's the whole  
list?

Sollen wir dir die Informationen einzeln aus der Nase ziehen?
Meine Kristallkugel ist gerade beim Optiker.


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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Hello Jörg,

I just checked your PDF. Your printshop is right, even if the font  
(Gentium) *is* embedded. How's that?

You've some error in the formatting of your uppercase words after the  
initial and same formatting in some subtitles - that addresses an  
other Gentium face that isn't embedded - because it doesn't exist  
(probably condensed).

If you can't find it yourself, show us your font and title setup!

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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Jörg Hagmann


Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
 Am 2007-05-04 um 16:06 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:
   
 You don't tell us which fonts you use and which TeX engine / output
 workflow.
   
 I use gentium and -- for bold -- LinLibertine. I installed these fonts
 myself with texfont.
 The engine is pdftex (I think). I run texmfstart texexec --pdf  
 myfile.tex.
 

 Ok, no detour via DVI.

 Any error messages? Look after missing/unknown font messages in your  
 logs!
 Show us your font setup!
 Look into the document properties, fonts tab, in Acrobat - any  
 original font set to Adobe Serif MM or the like? What's the whole  
 list?

 Sollen wir dir die Informationen einzeln aus der Nase ziehen?
   
I'm afraid you'll have to. (Sorry, but I'm simultaneously preparing a 
lab course for Monday.)
I had a look at properties before (it says -- I am abbreviating -- 
Gentium, Gentium-Italic and LinLibertineB embedded subsets True Type etc.).

in the log i find: pdfTeX warning: pdftex (file GenR102.pfb): cannot 
open Type 1 font file for reading

But I had also, before sending the file off, checked it on another 
computer -- a simple PC notebook. It looks okay. I concluded the fonts 
must be embedded. Maybe the printers need something else?

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Jörg Hagmann
Could it be that  it's because:
I made pseudosmallcaps of Gentium myself (with texfont) and used those 
in a few places? If so, I will simply replace them with uppercase.

Jörg

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
 Hello Jörg,

 I just checked your PDF. Your printshop is right, even if the font  
 (Gentium) *is* embedded. How's that?

 You've some error in the formatting of your uppercase words after the  
 initial and same formatting in some subtitles - that addresses an  
 other Gentium face that isn't embedded - because it doesn't exist  
 (probably condensed).

 If you can't find it yourself, show us your font and title setup!

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Re: [NTG-context] embedded fonts

2007-05-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2007-05-04 um 17:52 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:

 Could it be that  it's because:
 I made pseudosmallcaps of Gentium myself (with texfont) and used those
 in a few places? If so, I will simply replace them with uppercase.

There are no (pseudo)SC in your document!
There's condensed uppercase in the replacement font (AdobeSerifMM) in  
the places where they should be.

You should look into the font list in the document properties in  
Acrobat (Reader): while there's still Adobe Serif MM or Adobe Sans  
MM mentioned anywhere, you've a problem.

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