Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Nov 27, 2009, at 17;29,08 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 18:40, Bowen Alan C. wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 10;17,36 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: Bowen Alan C. wrote: I have successfully installed and run this latest ConTeXt (in the minimals). What has happened to context --version and luatex --version? Both now get “command not found”. IIRC, mojca changed setuptex so that it only adjusts the PATH in the current subshell. Can that be the problem? Hard to believe (though anything is possible). My crystal ball says that Alan uses Mac OS X Snow Leopard with 32-bit kernel. Alan, please: - fetch the latest first-setup.sh or set platform=osx-64 manually before calling mtxrun - you might need to remove --make from mtxrun and run mktexlsr/texexec --make manually until further notice (I need to fix some minor bug, sorry) Mojca Hi, Mojca— You have a great crystal ball! I have set my platform to 64-bit kernel startup mode, re-started, and re-installed the latest from the minimals using ./firstsetup.sh Still no recognition of context --version and luatex --version. As for your other suggestions, I get “command not found” for mtxrun, texmfstart, texexec, mtexlsr. As you can probably also see in your crystal ball, I am at the limits of my knowledge of unix and how ConTeXt, luatex are installed. So while I am happy to test what you say and provide feedback, please don’t get trapped into dealing with me about a problem that will eventually go away anyway. (My installation does still work, after all-- well, except for some unresolved problems with multi-page tables, but that is another thread.) 1. Check if you have either executed source setuptex (. setuptex) or set the path explicitely 2. Please check the contents of /path/to/your/context/tex by typing ls /path/to/your/context/tex ls /path/to/your/context/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin 3. What does echo $PATH say (after making sure that . setuptex is executed)? Mojca Mojca— 1. When I open Terminal, I always see the line Setting /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex as ConTeXt root. so I take it that .setuptex has been executed 2. ls /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex gets: mysetuptex setuptex.batsetuptex.tmftexmf-cache texmf-local texmf-project setuptexsetuptex.cshtexmf texmf-context texmf-osx-intel 3. echo $PATH gets: /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 15:35, Bowen Alan C. wrote: Mojca— 1. When I open Terminal, I always see the line Setting /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex as ConTeXt root. so I take it that .setuptex has been executed 2. ls /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex gets: mysetuptex setuptex.bat setuptex.tmf texmf-cache texmf-local texmf-project setuptex setuptex.csh texmf texmf-context texmf-osx-intel 3. echo $PATH gets: /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin This indicates that you didn't update first-setup.sh itself. You need to fetch a newer version of first-setup.sh and check that ls /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex will contain the folder texmf-osx-64. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
Mocja— You are right. So to get the latest first-sstup.sh I ran $ curl -o first-setup.sh http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh and when I run $ ./first-setup.sh --context-=stable I am now am denied permission Playing with the permissions -a or -u and using sudo does not seem to help. I am assuming that when I eventually run the new first-setup.sh I will find a new folder: /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-osx-64/ Alan On Nov 28, 2009, at 09;45,35 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 15:35, Bowen Alan C. wrote: Mojca— 1. When I open Terminal, I always see the line Setting /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex as ConTeXt root. so I take it that .setuptex has been executed 2. ls /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex gets: mysetuptex setuptex.batsetuptex.tmftexmf-cache texmf-local texmf-project setuptexsetuptex.cshtexmf texmf-context texmf-osx-intel 3. echo $PATH gets: /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin This indicates that you didn't update first-setup.sh itself. You need to fetch a newer version of first-setup.sh and check that ls /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex will contain the folder texmf-osx-64. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:24, Bowen Alan C. acbo...@princeton.edu wrote: Mocja— You are right. So to get the latest first-sstup.sh I ran $ curl -o first-setup.sh http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh and when I run $ ./first-setup.sh --context-=stable I am now am denied permission Does chmod +x first-setup.sh help? (I usually copy-paste the command from http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/: rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh ) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
That does indeed help. I have now run first-setup.sh successfully and all is well: there is a new “texmf-osx-64” folder right where it should be and context --version now works too. Many thanks, Mocja! Alan On Nov 28, 2009, at 11;38,27 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:24, Bowen Alan C. acbo...@princeton.edu wrote: Mocja— You are right. So to get the latest first-sstup.sh I ran $ curl -o first-setup.sh http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/first-setup.sh and when I run $ ./first-setup.sh --context-=stable I am now am denied permission Does chmod +x first-setup.sh help? (I usually copy-paste the command from http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/: rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh ) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Hans released a new current context yesterday. This is mostly a bugfix/ catchup release for mkiv functionality, but there are also a few other bugfixes. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Context_2009.11.26 for details. Best wishes, Taco Hi Taco, thanks for the announcement, and a short note, mostly for Mojca: the os x minimals still ship with a luatex binary that is broken wrt metapost (I haven't tested other platforms). I don't know when exactly Taco fixed this, but it must have been later. Any chance of compiling a newer luatex binary? Since this is a stable release, some people might rely on it for stability... Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
I have successfully installed and run this latest ConTeXt (in the minimals). What has happened to context --version and luatex --version? Both now get “command not found”. Alan On Nov 27, 2009, at 06;19,23 , Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Hans released a new current context yesterday. This is mostly a bugfix/ catchup release for mkiv functionality, but there are also a few other bugfixes. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Context_2009.11.26 for details. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
Bowen Alan C. wrote: I have successfully installed and run this latest ConTeXt (in the minimals). What has happened to context --version and luatex --version? Both now get “command not found”. IIRC, mojca changed setuptex so that it only adjusts the PATH in the current subshell. Can that be the problem? Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: I see that Wolfgang's fix for itemize indentation is not included in the new version. Was it forgotten or treated a 'hack'? well, i'm not copying each hack into my sources indeed. normally wolfgang (or aditya or taco or ...) will let me know off list when he/she's confident that a patch can make it in the core so i just wait till that moment (keep in mind that patches need to be checked for side effects and those requesting some patch normally don't test all cases) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Nov 27, 2009, at 10;17,36 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:27, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, Hans released a new current context yesterday. This is mostly a bugfix/ catchup release for mkiv functionality, but there are also a few other bugfixes. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Context_2009.11.26 for details. Best wishes, Taco Hi Taco, thanks for the announcement, and a short note, mostly for Mojca: the os x minimals still ship with a luatex binary that is broken wrt metapost (I haven't tested other platforms). Working on it now. Bowen Alan C. wrote: I have successfully installed and run this latest ConTeXt (in the minimals). What has happened to context --version and luatex --version? Both now get “command not found”. IIRC, mojca changed setuptex so that it only adjusts the PATH in the current subshell. Can that be the problem? Hard to believe (though anything is possible). My crystal ball says that Alan uses Mac OS X Snow Leopard with 32-bit kernel. Alan, please: - fetch the latest first-setup.sh or set platform=osx-64 manually before calling mtxrun - you might need to remove --make from mtxrun and run mktexlsr/texexec --make manually until further notice (I need to fix some minor bug, sorry) Mojca Hi, Mojca— You have a great crystal ball! I have set my platform to 64-bit kernel startup mode, re-started, and re-installed the latest from the minimals using ./firstsetup.sh Still no recognition of context --version and luatex --version. As for your other suggestions, I get “command not found” for mtxrun, texmfstart, texexec, mtexlsr. As you can probably also see in your crystal ball, I am at the limits of my knowledge of unix and how ConTeXt, luatex are installed. So while I am happy to test what you say and provide feedback, please don’t get trapped into dealing with me about a problem that will eventually go away anyway. (My installation does still work, after all-- well, except for some unresolved problems with multi-page tables, but that is another thread.) Very best, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New current context: 2009.11.26
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 18:40, Bowen Alan C. wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 10;17,36 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: Bowen Alan C. wrote: I have successfully installed and run this latest ConTeXt (in the minimals). What has happened to context --version and luatex --version? Both now get “command not found”. IIRC, mojca changed setuptex so that it only adjusts the PATH in the current subshell. Can that be the problem? Hard to believe (though anything is possible). My crystal ball says that Alan uses Mac OS X Snow Leopard with 32-bit kernel. Alan, please: - fetch the latest first-setup.sh or set platform=osx-64 manually before calling mtxrun - you might need to remove --make from mtxrun and run mktexlsr/texexec --make manually until further notice (I need to fix some minor bug, sorry) Mojca Hi, Mojca— You have a great crystal ball! I have set my platform to 64-bit kernel startup mode, re-started, and re-installed the latest from the minimals using ./firstsetup.sh Still no recognition of context --version and luatex --version. As for your other suggestions, I get “command not found” for mtxrun, texmfstart, texexec, mtexlsr. As you can probably also see in your crystal ball, I am at the limits of my knowledge of unix and how ConTeXt, luatex are installed. So while I am happy to test what you say and provide feedback, please don’t get trapped into dealing with me about a problem that will eventually go away anyway. (My installation does still work, after all-- well, except for some unresolved problems with multi-page tables, but that is another thread.) 1. Check if you have either executed source setuptex (. setuptex) or set the path explicitely 2. Please check the contents of /path/to/your/context/tex by typing ls /path/to/your/context/tex ls /path/to/your/context/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin 3. What does echo $PATH say (after making sure that . setuptex is executed)? Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] New current context
Hi, Some (most?) of you will have noticed this already, but just in case: Hans released a new current context yesterday. This is mostly a bugfix/ catchup release for mkiv functionality, but there are also a few other bugfixes. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Context_2009.10.27 for details. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] new problem (context update and miktex)
Dear All, I still have a large problem with the newest context update which is incompatible with the latest MikTeX installation. Many files are not regularly processed anymore. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to clean up the right Context files and reinstall an older version? I prefer not to make a mess of my Miktex installation. Latex still works. Thanks in advance, Robert This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.6-2.2 (MiKTeX 2.5) (preloaded format=cont-en 2007.3.4) 9 MAR 2007 18:00 entering extended mode **facturen.tex \emergencyend (facturen.tex ConTeXt ver: 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II fmt: 2007.3.4 int: english/english language: language en is active system : cont-new loaded (D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\MiKTeX\2.5\tex\context\b ase\cont-new.tex FatalError : Your format does not match the base files! FormatVersion : 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II FilesVersion: 2007.02.21 11:55 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new problem (context update and miktex)
R. Ermers wrote: Dear All, I still have a large problem with the newest context update which is incompatible with the latest MikTeX installation. Many files are not regularly processed anymore. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to clean up the right Context files and reinstall an older version? I prefer not to make a mess of my Miktex installation. Latex still works. I don't know what you had to do to install the new ConTeXt (you have to undo those steps, obviously). All known old versions of context are archived in the museum: https://foundry.supelec.fr/frs/?group_id=14 Cheers, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new problem (context update and miktex)
Thanks Taco, I updated with the command ctxtools --updatecontext. I know where to find the old versions, but I don't know which files of the new distribution I need to remove. Or should I simply remove all context directories, install a less recent context version (from the zip-file) and refresh the FNDB? Is there a risk that Miktex gets so confused that I will need to reinstall it as well? Another question is which version is still compatible with Miktex 2.5? Regards, Robert ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new problem (context update and miktex)
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:36:07 +0100 R. Ermers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I still have a large problem with the newest context update which is incompatible with the latest MikTeX installation. Many files are not regularly processed anymore. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to clean up the right Context files and reinstall an older version? I prefer not to make a mess of my Miktex installation. Latex still works. Thanks in advance, Robert This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.6-2.2 (MiKTeX 2.5) (preloaded format=cont-en 2007.3.4) 9 MAR 2007 18:00 entering extended mode **facturen.tex \emergencyend (facturen.tex ConTeXt ver: 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II fmt: 2007.3.4 int: english/english language: language en is active system : cont-new loaded (D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\MiKTeX\2.5\tex\context\b ase\cont-new.tex Hi Robert, can look if there is also a texmf-local directory (or something similiar) in the path from your MikTeX installation. Wolfgang FatalError : Your format does not match the base files! FormatVersion : 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II FilesVersion: 2007.02.21 11:55 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new problem (context update and miktex)
On 3/10/07, R. Ermers wrote: Dear All, I still have a large problem with the newest context update which is incompatible with the latest MikTeX installation. Many files are not regularly processed anymore. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to clean up the right Context files and reinstall an older version? I prefer not to make a mess of my Miktex installation. Latex still works. Thanks in advance, Robert This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.6-2.2 (MiKTeX 2.5) (preloaded format=cont-en 2007.3.4) 9 MAR 2007 18:00 entering extended mode **facturen.tex \emergencyend (facturen.tex ConTeXt ver: 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II fmt: 2007.3.4 int: english/english language: language en is active system : cont-new loaded (D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\MiKTeX\2.5\tex\context\b ase\cont-new.tex FatalError : Your format does not match the base files! FormatVersion : 2006.12.20 23:52 MK II FilesVersion: 2007.02.21 11:55 I don't have MikTeX here right now, but there is one thing to consider: it might be that you won't be able to run the latest ConTeXt out-of-the-box (without some additional settings) because the latest versions only support pdfTeX 1.40 and higher. But I'm speculating now. Perhaps it nevertheless works. I really should test MikTeX a bit more (I switched my OS recently). Automated updater has (or at least had) a few problems: - ConTeXt doesn't necessary place the unzipped files into the right directory (it's a bit messy under MikTeX -) - ConTeXt doesn't necessary copy the formats to the proper place I would suggest you to try the following two proposals (first a, then b): a) Make sure that the files were copied into the proper place, you can also try to unzip cont-tfm.zip into C:\Program Files\MikTeX manually. After that, use the MikTeX Options or something similar, refresh database, remake formats, refresh database (you have to click a button because texexec --make might not be adapted well enough for MikTeX) b) Uninstall the context package and install it again. That way the new context will be deleted and the old one from MikTeX will be installed again. (It might be that after uninstalling some leftovers will remain in the texmf tree - you can also check manually if everything has been deleted.) General remark: on MikTeX it's usually best to run MikTeX's updater (for ctxtools --update there is no reliable uninstaller). If you need the latest and greatest features of ConTeXt, you may run the standalone ConTeXt in parallel. That's what I always did. What appered to work on one distribution sometimes failed on the other (or vice versa). That way I always had a plan B when something has failed. Mojca ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] New Debian ConTeXt package fix complete breakage
Hi all! Thanks to the quick upload of whoever (I assume Hans) there is a new Debian package on the tug server and uploaded to Debian that fixes the complete breakage: 2007.01.12.2-1 (note the additional .2) Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- YESNABY (n.) A 'yes, maybe' which means 'no'. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Hans van der Meer wrote: On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free- software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! ( my emphasis here, hvdm) I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity. the reason for updating current instead of beta has a few reasons (1) it's easier for me to update servers using ctxtools --update and (2) we near the tex live code freeze, after that we will probably go beta again, which (3) will also update frequently because taco and i are actively working on luatex (mkiv) code which demands mkii/mkiv code splitting Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free- software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! ( my emphasis here, hvdm) I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity. Hans van der Meer ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On 2006 Dec 24, at 4:40 AM, Hans van der Meer indited: On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free- software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! ( my emphasis here, hvdm) I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity. That was definitely the impression I had... I've just recently joined this list as part of a low-key I wonder if I'd be happier using ConTeXt rather than fighting LaTeX evaluation. That Gerben Wierda's i-Installer automatically processes ConTeXt updates doesn't hurt either. :-) Thanks for the clarification! --D'gou ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
From the formulation used here, people could get the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for that reason refrain from using it. Good point. How about simply: ConText is developed rapidly, often in response to requests from the friendly user community. -Sanjoy `Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Here is my attempt to integrate everything said here with the UK TeX FAQ entry and the wikipedia entry of ConTeXt, without pointing out all the bad things about LaTeX. Everything said and done, LaTeX is much better than Word Processors ;) Thanks a lot! Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- MANKINHOLES (pl.n.) The small holes in a loaf of bread which give rise to the momentary suspicion that something may have made its home within. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Here is Aditya's writeup with a few edits by this Mahajan. The part that might have been unclear to someone reading it for the first time is how ConTeXt can be modular yet monolithic: It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX, but being younger reflects much more recent thinking about the structure of the markup, is more modular in its conception, and more monolithic in its building. So I shortened that bit in the version below. Plus I added a bit about color and hyperlinks, and I slightly softened the package clash statement about LaTeX -- as Aditya says, LaTeX is orders of magnitude better than a word processor, so let's be generous toward an ally in the cause. -Sanjoy ConTeXt is a document-production system based on the TeX typesetting system. It was designed with the same aims as LaTeX but, being newer, reflects more recent thinking about document markup and is more unified in its design. It includes extensive support for colors, hyperlinks, presentations, figure-text integration, and conditional compilation. ConTeXt gives extensive formatting control to the end user and makes it easy to create new layouts and styles without learning the TeX macro language. ConTeXt's unified design averts the package clashes that can happen with LaTeX. ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun, a superset of MetaPost and a powerful system for vector graphics. MetaFun can be used as a stand-alone system to produce figures, but its strength lies in enhancing ConTeXt documents with accurate graphic elements. ConTeXt allows the users to use formatting commands in English, Dutch, German, French, or Italian, and to use different typesetting engines (PDFTeX, XeTeX, Aleph, and soon LuaTeX) without changing the user interface. ConText is developed rapidly, has a friendly user community, and illustrates the free-software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Hi Sanjoy and all, On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:31:23 -0700, Sanjoy Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX, system. It was designed with the same aims as LaTeX but, This point is often mentioned in different ways, but it is quite vague, and on the surface it is also untrue. LaTeX was designed to save the writer from typography (Lamport is quite insistent about this), ConTeXt is designed to make typography easier: quite different general-purpose aims. LaTeX's emphasis was primarily articles and reports (memoir etc. notwithstanding), ConTeXt's is more general. Both are designed to make the TeX language more useful but above that their aims are different it appears to me. The different philosophies of the author-typography relationship lie at the heart of the difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX IMHO. For example, in ConTeXt indenting is turned off by default and emphasize is set to slant. That is, ConTeXt starts off as bland as possible and the author has to make typographical decisions and engage in typographical design. In LaTeX everything is decided from the start and typographical flexibility kept to a minimum. Note that Hans for years has resisted passing out recipes, preferring authors to engage and be original (much to the chagrin of many who migrated from LaTeX...;-) One could write an article on the differences between Hans and Leslie in this regard. All the best and Happy Holidays to the ConTeXt community (and LaTeX too)! Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Idris (and all), Thanks, that's a very helpful contrast between LaTeX and ConTeXt. So how about: == ConTeXt is a document-production system based, like LaTeX, on the TeX typesetting system. Whereas LaTeX insulates the writer from typographical details, ConTeXt takes a complementary approach by providing structured interfaces for handling typography, including extensive support for colors, backgrounds, hyperlinks, presentations, figure-text integration, and conditional compilation. It gives the user extensive control over formatting while making it easy to create new layouts and styles without learning the TeX macro language. ConTeXt's unified design averts the package clashes that can happen with LaTeX. ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun, a superset of MetaPost and a powerful system for vector graphics. MetaFun can be used as a stand-alone system to produce figures, but its strength lies in enhancing ConTeXt documents with accurate graphic elements. ConTeXt allows the users to use formatting commands in English, Dutch, German, French, or Italian, and to use different typesetting engines (PDFTeX, XeTeX, Aleph, and soon LuaTeX) without changing the user interface. ConText is developed rapidly, has a friendly user community, and illustrates the free-software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! == -Sanjoy `Not all who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- TODBER (n.) One whose idea of a good time is to stand behind his front hedge and give surly nods to people he doesn't know. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Try find . -name koei\* (koe == cow in dutch) Best, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Hi all! New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1 deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian: - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up. - Description: As Frank noted, something less commercial and more descriptive. - man pages for all the funny applications ... Or only one for texmfstart, but this would be a bit of cheating ... Anyone stepping forward to help here? (This request is also going to the context list, maybe there is someone eager to contribute something ;-))) Best wishes and thanks a lot Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- DUNCRAGGON (n.) The name of Charles Bronson's retirement cottage. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote: New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1 deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian: - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up. Those fonts are removed, it was the koei* files, they are not included in the .orig.tar.gz anymore, and will probably make it into -nonfree. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- Oh no, not again. --- A bowl of petunias on it's way to certain death. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Try find . -name koei\* (koe == cow in dutch) Ahh thanks, ok these fonts are gone. I will package anyway a context-nonfree (including the documentation) which also will carry the fonts (I hope I come around this!) Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Friday 22 December 2006 02:29, Frank Küster wrote: And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX. My 2 cents: Context has more coherent design, more control of page layout, more choice of font sizes, more direct control of pretty much everything. The automatic iterated construction of TOC, index, references, etc is nice too. The docs I build are subject to various formatting requirements laid down in law. They are feasible in both OpenOffice and Context but they are not feasible in Latex without a great deal of work. --Mike Bird ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1 deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian: - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up. Moreover, it's not acceptable for a Debian upload (and IMHO hardly acceptable for providing an archive for download) to mix in one archive GPL'ed and PD files, without clearly listing which is which. After all, PD means you can do anything, while the GPL is Copyleft, or in other words one of the most restrictive Open Source licenses. - Description: As Frank noted, something less commercial and more descriptive. And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-0.1
Hi all! I re-repacked the stuff and now there are 2 packages: context context-nonfree the content is quite easy: Everything from cont-tmf, cont-fnt, cont-ext, cont-img is in context, BUT the list of files attached in MANIFEST.nonfree which are in context-nonfree. context suggests context-nonfree I plan to add a lot of documentation files from the website to context-nonfree. Files can be moved around at will, let me know. Description of context a bit shortened and less commercial. Otherwise no changes. Same location as usual. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- ARTHUR It probably seems a terrible thing to say, but you know what I sometimes think would be useful in these situations? LINT. What? ARTHUR A gun of some sort. LINT.2 Will this help? ARTHUR What is it? LINT.2 A gun of some sort. ARTHUR Oh, that'll help. Can you make it fire? LINT. Er... F/X DEAFENING ROAR LINT. Yes. --- Arthur and the Lintillas gaining the upper hand, Fit the --- Twelfth. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-0.1
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote: cont-img is in context, BUT the list of files attached in MANIFEST.nonfree which are in context-nonfree. Which is now attached ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- QUERRIN (n.) A person that no one has ever heard of who unaccountably manages to make a living writing prefaces. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme ./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf ./doc/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.pdf ./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/french/french-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/french/french-doc.pdf ./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-demo.pdf ./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-doc.pdf ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-ex.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-mi.afm ./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-sy.afm ./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-ex.enc ./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-mi.enc ./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-sy.enc ./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters.enc ./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeielogos.enc ./fonts/map/pdftex/context/koeieletters.map ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett-contour.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-ex.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-mi.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-sy.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-syx.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielettx.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-ex.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-mi.tfm ./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-sy.tfm ./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.pfb ./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.pfb ./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.pfb ./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.pfb ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett-contour.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-ex.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-mi.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-sy.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-syx.vf ./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielettx.vf ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would See Mike Bird. want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX. I use ConteXt for automatic-print-on-demand jobs. from simple labels/stickers to complex multilanguage pricelists (i'm in a print-hous) I like for its object-oriented approach to typesettings, because it fits well with programs we use (and I made). I've started years ago with Latex2.09, but it was too much complex to program with it, and dvi-to-pdf was too complex (maybe today it's no true, but I have already made my choice). luigi ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Frank Küster wrote: And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX. The ConTeXt FAQ answers this question. The first one is a complete explanation by Brooks Moses on c.t.t. while the second is a 5 line explanation by Berend de Boer in LaTeX in proper ConTeXt. What are the differences between ConTeXt and LaTeX? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_differences_between_ConTeXt_and_LaTeX.3F What are the advantages of ConTeXt over LaTeX? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_advantages_of_ConTeXt_over_LaTeX.3F Aditya ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Hi all! On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote: What are the differences between ConTeXt and LaTeX? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_differences_between_ConTeXt_and_LaTeX.3F Thanks I included some text from it into the control file, ie description: Description: powerful TeX format. ConTeXt is a typographical engine written in the typographical computer language TeX. ConTeXt provides you with a convenient way to encode documents in a structured way and to typeset these documents in various ways on paper, computer screen or web site. . The main difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX lies in the fact that LaTeX was created with the idea of separating content and presentation to such an extent that the typical author would write their content and then use a style file created by someone else to provide the visual presentation. . ConTeXt, on the other hand, retained the idea of separating content and presentation, but was created with the idea of being used for books, where each book tends to have a different layout, and so the expected end user is the person doing all the layout. Thus, it's designed to provide a vast amount of flexibility for layout in a way that can be fairly easily defined without needing to write a package . This package also contains MetaFun. MetaFun (a superset of well known MetaPost) is a powerful system for vector graphics that is fully integrated into ConTeXt, but also usable as a stand alone product. . MetaFun is not for interactive drawing applications and not for free hand drawings. Its strength lies in the ability to enhance the document layout with highly accurate graphic elements. If someone wants to improve it ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- KALAMI (n.) The ancient Eastern art of being able to fold road-maps properly. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-1
Hi all! Again, after all the helpful comments from Taco, Hans, Mojca, Aditya, I have redone all the packaging: context: everything but the cow fonts and the tipsandtricks.pdf context-nonfree: cow fonts a long list of pdfs from the web site: aleph.pdf mfonts.pdfmtexfont.pdf show-dem.pdf show-pap.pdf cont-eni.pdf minstall.pdf mtexutil.pdf show-exa.pdf show-pre.pdf cont-enp.pdf mmakempy.pdf mtexwork.pdf showfont.pdf showunic.pdf eppchtex.pdf mp-cb-en.pdf roadmap.pdf show-gra.pdf tiptrick.pdf example.pdfmp-ch-en.pdf setup-en.pdf show-mag.pdf metafun-p.pdf ms-cb-en.pdf show-art.pdf show-man.pdf metafun-s.pdf mtexexec.pdf showcase.pdf show-not.pdf So I hope this should give a quite complete and useful base for context. I also extended the copyright file to include the statements by Taco, and some more remarks. Still I hope that one of the next releases of ConTeXt will contain some sort of MANIFEST.foobar as I suggested. The wording is also improved I hope, so now for all the Debian guys: Can you please take a look at the package, what you think, as I plan (as you see from the version number) to upload it soon. Usual location. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- Rome wasn't burned in a day. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Friday 22 December 2006 08:18, Norbert Preining wrote: The main difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX lies in the fact that LaTeX was created with the idea of separating content and presentation to such an extent that the typical author would write their content and then use a style file created by someone else to provide the visual presentation. . ConTeXt, on the other hand, retained the idea of separating content and presentation, but was created with the idea of being used for books, where each book tends to have a different layout, and so the expected end user is the person doing all the layout. Thus, it's designed to provide a vast amount of flexibility for layout in a way that can be fairly easily defined without needing to write a package Since one can move one's layout into a package in a few seconds and then include that package into a document, I think this somewhat misses the mark. Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context gives more control and makes it easier to create new layouts. Whether or not those new layouts are in a document file or a separate package is not relevant. Nor is the original purpose for which Context was created relevant, as both Latex and Context are used for a lot more than math papers and books. --Mike Bird ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context gives more control and makes it easier to create new layouts. Also the ConTeXt parts are more integrated than the LaTeX packages are -- think of the discussions/comments about what order LaTeX packages must be loaded. For example, the hyperref manual says to load it last to give it a fighting chance of not being over-written, since its job is to redefine many LaTeX commands. And ConText is also an example of the free-software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! -Sanjoy `Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.' --Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context gives more control and makes it easier to create new layouts. Also the ConTeXt parts are more integrated than the LaTeX packages are -- think of the discussions/comments about what order LaTeX packages must be loaded. For example, the hyperref manual says to load it last to give it a fighting chance of not being over-written, since its job is to redefine many LaTeX commands. And ConText is also an example of the free-software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! Here is my attempt to integrate everything said here with the UK TeX FAQ entry and the wikipedia entry of ConTeXt, without pointing out all the bad things about LaTeX. Everything said and done, LaTeX is much better than Word Processors ;) ConTeXt is a document preparation system based on the TeX typesetting system. It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX, but being younger reflects much more recent thinking about the structure of the markup, is more modular in its conception, and more monolithic in its building. ConTeXt gives more control to the end user and makes it easier to create new layout without learning TeX macro language. ConTeXt is consistent in its design, and does not suffer from the package clashes in LaTeX. ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun which is a superset of MetaPost and a powerful system for vector graphics. Metafun can be used as a stand alone product, but its strength lies in the ability to enhance the document layout with highly accurate graphic elements. ConTeXt allows the users to use markup in different languages. Markup in English, Dutch, German, French and Italian is supported at present. ConTeXt allows the user to use different engines (pdftex, XeTeX, aleph?, luatex?) without changing the user interface. ConText is developed at a fast pace and is also an example of the free-software philosophy of release often, sometimes twice a day! Aditya ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place: deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give suggestions/remarks/comments! I am not a debian user so I will not comment on the package itself, but I fully expect a new release from Hans today, so perhaps it is better to wait a few hours before uploading. Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BROUGH SOWERBY One who has been working at that same desk in the same office for fifteen years and has very much his own ideas about why he is continually passed over for promotion. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img. The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. Greetings, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. Ok. Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Thanks for clarification. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I know, I will call the package luatex-snapshot upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early adoption then late work. The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under package management control on my system ;-) Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- HASTINGS (pl.n.) Things said on the spur of the moment to explain to someone who comes into a room unexpectedly precisely what it is you are doing. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us know, we can also forget about the packaging for now. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' --- The Book. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Well, the interesting question is what is what? It's quite important to not handle a GPL'ed file as if it was Public Domain. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I have no opinion about this particular case, but if we only upload it to Debian experimental, we can expect its users to be able to deal with unstable and totally broken software. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us know, we can also forget about the packaging for now. taco's remark only concerns luatex binaries; these are on and off stable; for instance the new file io part is rather ok now, but currently taco is redoing much of the font part; somewhere mid 2007 there will be the first more or less beta version, and around tug 2007 there will be the first formal beta release; this means that upto then, checked in versions can be rather unstable; concerning context: we use context for torture testing luatex (related context code is versioned as 'mkiv code' but is not yet distributed) but this testing does not influence (much) the current context distribution (mkii code) so, no need to worry -) Hans -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: I know, I will call the package luatex-snapshot upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early adoption then late work. ok, for the sake if testing integration, compilation, etc, making a debian package makes sense; as long as you add some 'no support whatsoever' clause (btw, is may also help if lua is installed as part of the system utilities; it's small so ...) just for fun: you can use luatex as lua interpreter: luatex --lua somescript.lua with somescript.lua being print(I'm LuaTeX!) is a nice testcase. The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under package management control on my system ;-) ok Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi all! context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place: deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give suggestions/remarks/comments! Thanks a lot Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BURLESTON That peculiarly tuneless humming and whistling adopted by people who are extremely angry. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Here it does work after installation of cont-fnt.zip. Or the current Debian context package. Hmm, I think the mess of tex configuration files in Unix has finally defeated me, and I will switch to using the debian context package and will retry Aditya's assignment document. That will also involve switching from the tetex-3.0 packages (on Ubuntu) to texlive, which I've been meaning to do for a while. I'll try it all tomorrow afternoon. [Today I am preparing a talk to a new audience (doctors), and I don't want to risk my mostly working tex setup until after that!] -Sanjoy `Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.' --Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Aditya! On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote: This is a simple document that uses URW-Pallatino fonts and some mp backgrounds. Sanjoy had some trouble with the fonts due to missing map files. If the document compiles correctly, it will verify that the URW-Pallatino map files are correct. Simply unzip the files and Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected. Best, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Hi Taco! On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected. Ok. Would it make sense to pack them together with the cont-tmf.zip in the Debian context package? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- `Maybe somebody here tipped off the Galactic Police,' said Trillian. `Everybody saw you come in.' `You mean they want to arrest me over the phone?' said Zaphod, `Could be. I'm a pretty dangerous dude when I'm cornered.' `Yeah,' said a voice from under the table [Ford's now completely rat- arsed at this point], `you go to pieces so fast people get hit by the shrapnel.' --- Zaphod getting paranoid over a phone call. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should No, the more the better. decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more context support, the better. I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already in the cont-tmf.zip file. What else would make sense? - cont-tmf.zip - cont-fnt.zip - cont-img.zip ??? - cont-ext.zip ??? - anything else? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- PLYMOUTH (vb.) To relate an amusing story to someone without remembering that it was they who told it to you in the first place. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote: On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should No, the more the better. decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more context support, the better. I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already in the cont-tmf.zip file. What else would make sense? - cont-tmf.zip - cont-fnt.zip a bunch of extra tfm files that makes context more happy, also some more encodings (texnansi support in tex live is poor while this encoding vector suits users best) - cont-img.zip ??? this file has some graphics that users can use to test things; the tex test files are in the main zip; it is handy to have the img file installed because on the mailing list we often do things like \externalfigure[cow.pdf] and suchimages then need to be present someplace - cont-ext.zip ??? third party stuff; taco manages the process of making them tds/licence compliant so including them should be ok - anything else? some day next year there will be an additional zip for luatex support Thanks, Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Hi Taco! (BTW: Sorry for bothering with all this, and thanks for the support!) On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: What else would make sense? - cont-tmf.zip - cont-fnt.zip - cont-img.zip ??? - cont-ext.zip ??? The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext. cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images). Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't know. If not, I can create two packages which complement each other. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BUDBY A nipple clearly defined through flimsy or wet material. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Taco! (BTW: Sorry for bothering with all this, and thanks for the support!) On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: What else would make sense? - cont-tmf.zip - cont-fnt.zip - cont-img.zip ??? - cont-ext.zip ??? The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext. cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images). Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't know. as far as we know, they're all free (at least, before adding something to the ext file, taco tests the structure etc etc); the third party modules are collected on the context wiki, fetched from there and merged into the ext zip (as well as uploaded automatically to ctan) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Taco! On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected. Ok. Would it make sense to pack them together with the cont-tmf.zip in the Debian context package? That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more context support, the better. Best, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi Danai!
On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Danai SAE-HAN wrote:
So here is -0.2, which does the following:
- install doc files
- do NOT install any map activation files in /etc/texmf/updmap.d
So if I understand correctly, ConTeXt (which I haven't used yet)
doesn't use the .map files anymore with pdfTeX? This might be
interesting for the CJK packages. Or is the change only relevant for
ConTeXt-specific fonts?
No, but the map files are installed into
/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/...
so that context/pdftex finds them. But there is no need for activation
via updmap as *only* pdftex is used. Or at least this is how I
understand it.
the problem with a big map file is that it is potentially problematic
(it definitely was in the past) because there is some fuzzy logic
involved when embedded files are handled in pdftex;
so, in context, i don't preload all map files, but use \pdfmapfile{...}
to explicitly load a map file so that we can be sure we have the right
one -- keep in mind that we can have files on the system with similar
internal names (the one between in the map file) but different metric
(slant, ext, cap,...) ; so, when you have a problem with a missing file
(reported by pdftex), you can use \loadmapfile[somename.map] in context
Hans
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[NTG-context] new debian context, including various new files
Hi all! Another day, another updated... context 2006.12.07-0.3 is available from the usual place: deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ Big news: Now all the files from the following zips are included: cont-tmf.zipthe main CONTEXT distribution cont-ext.zipthird party CONTEXT modules cont-fnt.zipfont metrics of public fonts cont-img.zipa few resources for testing functionality With the new packages I was able to compile all the test documents I got till now (the assignment and the pdftex-t documentation). Big thanks to Taco for helping me and all his suggestions. Now I have to get some decent copyright file for Debian inclusion, if someone can help ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- TIMBLE (vb.) (Of small nasty children.) To fail over very gently, look around to see who's about, and then yell blue murder. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Hi Hans! On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote: Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't know. as far as we know, they're all free (at least, before adding something to the ext file, taco tests the structure etc etc); the third party modules are collected on the context wiki, fetched from there and merged into the ext zip (as well as uploaded automatically to ctan) Thanks. On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote: What else would make sense? I have updated the package included all the four zips. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. some day next year there will be an additional zip for luatex support No problem, will be included, too. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SCROGGS (n.) The stout pubic hairs which protrude from your helping of moussaka in a cheap Greek restaurant. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Norbert Preining wrote: On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should No, the more the better. decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more context support, the better. I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already in the cont-tmf.zip file. What else would make sense? - cont-tmf.zip - cont-fnt.zip - cont-img.zip ??? - cont-ext.zip ??? The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext. cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images). Hans, anything else? Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that Thanks, this worked. Nice ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- MARLOW (n.) The bottom drawer in the kitchen your mother keeps her paper bags in. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected. I had the same error, which remained after installing cont-fnt.zip. I'll make a small test case soonish. -Sanjoy `Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.' --Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Hi Sanjoy! On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected. I had the same error, which remained after installing cont-fnt.zip. I'll make a small test case soonish. Here it does work after installation of cont-fnt.zip. Or the current Debian context package. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SUTTON and CHEAM (nouns) Sutton and cheam are the kinds of dirt into which all dirt is divided. 'Sutton' is the dark sort that always gets on to light-coloured things, 'cheam' the light-coloured sort that clings to dark items. Anyone who has ever found Marmite stains on a dress-shirt or seagull goo on a dinner jacket (a) knows all about sutton and cheam, and (b) is going to tome very curious dinner parties. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207
Hi Aditya! On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote: This is a simple document that uses URW-Pallatino fonts and some mp backgrounds. Sanjoy had some trouble with the fonts due to missing map files. If the document compiles correctly, it will verify that the URW-Pallatino map files are correct. Simply unzip the files and Nup, doesn't work: kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BANFF Pertaining to, or descriptive of, that kind of facial expression which is impossible to achieve except when having a passport photograph taken. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt
Sorry for not having answered before, Thomas.
- Finally, for ancient Greek, there is the ancientgreek module
http://
modules.contextgarden.net/t-greek which I find superior to all Greek
typesetting in LaTeX (because I wrote the module).
Is this module contained in the standard ConTeXt distribution or has it
to be downloaded separately?
After reading the the three files contained in the module. I wonder
whether they provide hyphenation for Greek. Do they?
I must admit that I've been too lazy to really test XeTeX, so I may
be wrong here. You can use Unicode input with the module; the only
difference would be that you have to wrap all Greek passages in
\localgreek{} commands or \start ... \stop pairs. I guess XeTeX
provides proper hyphenation for Greek, but
- the module has support for more fonts than XeTeX;
- does XeTeX allow relative scaling of fonts?
Anyway, only Hans and Taco know to what extent I will have to rewrite
everything when luatex and support for OpenType fonts are there.
XeTeX allows relative scaling of fonts.
Yes, I started with already existing modules, and it took me a while
(and lots of help here on the list) to write my own code. I never
actually read any manual cover to cover, but the big manual is almost
always open on my computer for reference. I just finished typesetting
a book with ConTeXt, complete with dozens of cross-references,
indexes, bibliography. Nothing very complicated, but it's wonderful
to see that things work. There are still two or three problems, but
they are fairly harmless. I love donig my own presentation styles
with ConTeXt and metafun. The more I use ConTeXt, the more amazed I
am...
Hope this can inspire you a bit
Yes. Tinkering (and asking in the mailing list ;-)) is the way of learning.
I have discovered the “Typographic Programming” document style.pdf)
which seems very interesting, but unfortunately it is far for being
complete. And I guess Hans is too busy to finish this book anytime soon.
Thanks,
Pablo
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning ConTeXt? Difficult to answer this question because it's a bit vague. What kind of documents do you want to produce with ConTeXt? Articles, presentations, textbooks, lists, interactive screen documents? Many thanks, Thomas, for your reply. Maybe the issue here is that I want to learn how to do things in ConTeXt that I was able to do with LaTeX. But this may be the wrong approach to ConTeXt (because this might not be a good way to learn ConTeXt using LaTeX as the background example). I want ConTeXt to produce mainly articles and textbooks (after learning that it will be easy to figure out presentations). I know some references, but I don't know which are the best ones. BTW, are “ConTeXt, an excursion” and “ConTeXt the manual” good introductions to start with ConTeXt or are they (too) outdated? But to give you a few pointers that may or may not be useful: Thanks, they are useful. - The first stop would be the wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net . There is a section called Sample documents that may be a good starting point. - You could have a look at recent issues of the PracTeX journal; there is some stuff about ConTeXt in there, and it should be good for beginners. - Of course, the Pragma website, but I guess you know that already. - Finally, for ancient Greek, there is the ancientgreek module http:// modules.contextgarden.net/t-greek which I find superior to all Greek typesetting in LaTeX (because I wrote the module). With this particular topic, I'm not sure whether I fully understand what you mean. For me, input and output must be Unicode (it is the best way to avoid problems) and this can be done with XeTeX. I don't know how good the integration with ConTeXt is, but for me and before LuaTeX is released in an stable version, XeTeX is the only way of dealing with fonts in TeX. Is there something in your Greek module that cannot be done with XeTeX? Don't hesitate to ask here when you have specific questions, but maybe that can get you started. I am a humanities guy and do all my work in ConTeXt... Actually, I knew that you were the person I wanted to ask about this. Some time ago, I read somewhere (on the web) that you switched to ConTeXt, after having to edit a book with Word. And then I discovered that you teach Classics at Bonn. Then, if the question is not too personal (it hope not, but sorry if it is): how did you learn ConTeXt? Only tinkering with already existing modules? Did you read any manuals? (Again, if this is not too personal, I assume that our interests in ConTeXt are similar, although I'm not a classicist and I don't belong to the academia) Thanks for your help, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt
Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning ConTeXt? There is also Berend de Boer's Latex in proper context that can help in the transition. http://articles.contextgarden.net/article/32 Thanks for the answer, Aditya. I have read it. It helps and it could be supplemented with http://wiki.contextgarden.net/From_LaTeX_to_ConTeXt (I guess there are some things not contained in the original article). Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt
nico wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it). It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). Since this thread is also talking about some tools, I'll complete the list with dbcontext (http://dblatex.sf.net) on which I contribute, that translates DocBook to ConTeXt via XSL stylesheets. I guess that many aspects could be directly handled by context. Thanks for your answer. I know that XML can be converted to TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt using XSL, but my XML is TEI (http://www.tei-c.org/) and not DocBook. If I would use XSL transformation, I guess it would be easier (at least for me) to adapt the already existing TEI-XML-LaTeX XSL files and adapt them to ConTeXt. I wonder (out of ignorance) whether this would be a better way than parsing the XML directly with ConTeXt. Thanks, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt
On Nov 8, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
Many thanks, Thomas, for your reply.
Maybe the issue here is that I want to learn how to do things in
ConTeXt
that I was able to do with LaTeX. But this may be the wrong
approach to
ConTeXt (because this might not be a good way to learn ConTeXt using
LaTeX as the background example).
No, I think this approach is what many users do. As long as you don't
insist that you want exactly the same syntax etc, as in LaTeX :-)
I want ConTeXt to produce mainly articles and textbooks (after
learning
that it will be easy to figure out presentations). I know some
references, but I don't know which are the best ones.
BTW, are “ConTeXt, an excursion” and “ConTeXt the manual” good
introductions to start with ConTeXt or are they (too) outdated?
Most of the basic stuff is still correct, so they should be good
starters.
But to give you a few pointers that may or may not be useful:
Thanks, they are useful.
- The first stop would be the wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net .
There is a section called Sample documents that may be a good
starting point.
- You could have a look at recent issues of the PracTeX journal;
there is some stuff about ConTeXt in there, and it should be good for
beginners.
- Of course, the Pragma website, but I guess you know that already.
- Finally, for ancient Greek, there is the ancientgreek module
http://
modules.contextgarden.net/t-greek which I find superior to all Greek
typesetting in LaTeX (because I wrote the module).
With this particular topic, I'm not sure whether I fully understand
what
you mean. For me, input and output must be Unicode (it is the best way
to avoid problems) and this can be done with XeTeX. I don't know how
good the integration with ConTeXt is, but for me and before LuaTeX is
released in an stable version, XeTeX is the only way of dealing with
fonts in TeX. Is there something in your Greek module that cannot be
done with XeTeX?
I must admit that I've been too lazy to really test XeTeX, so I may
be wrong here. You can use Unicode input with the module; the only
difference would be that you have to wrap all Greek passages in
\localgreek{} commands or \start ... \stop pairs. I guess XeTeX
provides proper hyphenation for Greek, but
- the module has support for more fonts than XeTeX;
- does XeTeX allow relative scaling of fonts?
Anyway, only Hans and Taco know to what extent I will have to rewrite
everything when luatex and support for OpenType fonts are there.
Don't hesitate to ask here when you have specific questions, but
maybe that can get you started. I am a humanities guy and do all my
work in ConTeXt...
Actually, I knew that you were the person I wanted to ask about this.
Some time ago, I read somewhere (on the web) that you switched to
ConTeXt, after having to edit a book with Word. And then I discovered
that you teach Classics at Bonn.
Then, if the question is not too personal (it hope not, but sorry
if it
is): how did you learn ConTeXt? Only tinkering with already existing
modules? Did you read any manuals? (Again, if this is not too
personal,
I assume that our interests in ConTeXt are similar, although I'm not a
classicist and I don't belong to the academia)
Thanks for your help,
Pablo
Yes, I started with already existing modules, and it took me a while
(and lots of help here on the list) to write my own code. I never
actually read any manual cover to cover, but the big manual is almost
always open on my computer for reference. I just finished typesetting
a book with ConTeXt, complete with dozens of cross-references,
indexes, bibliography. Nothing very complicated, but it's wonderful
to see that things work. There are still two or three problems, but
they are fairly harmless. I love donig my own presentation styles
with ConTeXt and metafun. The more I use ConTeXt, the more amazed I
am...
Hope this can inspire you a bit
Thomas
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:53:37 +0100, Pablo Rodríguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nico wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it). It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). Since this thread is also talking about some tools, I'll complete the list with dbcontext (http://dblatex.sf.net) on which I contribute, that translates DocBook to ConTeXt via XSL stylesheets. I guess that many aspects could be directly handled by context. Thanks for your answer. I know that XML can be converted to TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt using XSL, but my XML is TEI (http://www.tei-c.org/) and not DocBook. If I would use XSL transformation, I guess it would be easier (at least for me) to adapt the already existing TEI-XML-LaTeX XSL files and adapt them to ConTeXt. I wonder (out of ignorance) whether this would be a better way than parsing the XML directly with ConTeXt. I have no experience with handling XML directly with context, but I guess it's the most elegant way of processing, since it relies upon only one tool (no XSLT processor, no stylesheet, no glue to pass the output to texexec), there is no intermediate step, and the code should be smaller. But for me the drawback is that you need a good perception about how context/tex works (things about grouping, how macros expand and other funny things) and debugging might be harder. At least XSL gives an output that you can tweak until something compiles and gives the expected output :-) The other thing is that there are some specific processings that I have no idea how it can be implemented with context. This said, I know there are many people who happily process their XML docs directly with context. Maybe they could also give their feedback. Regards, BG ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new to ConTeXt
Hans Hagen wrote: should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether . the example framework is some ongoing experiment with web related tex/xml things; you don't need that, just stick to the built in xml handler (as described in example.pdf, but more extensive examples can be found in the x-*.tex files in the distribution Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on. most of the projects we run at pragma involve xml - pdf processing; using a dedicated dtd works most convenient using tei is ok, as long as you stick to structural elements and keep away from layour-related coding Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it). It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains quotes and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt. For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning ConTeXt? Thanks for your help, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains quotes and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt. For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning ConTeXt? Thanks for your help, Pablo Difficult to answer this question because it's a bit vague. What kind of documents do you want to produce with ConTeXt? Articles, presentations, textbooks, lists, interactive screen documents? But to give you a few pointers that may or may not be useful: - The first stop would be the wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net . There is a section called Sample documents that may be a good starting point. - You could have a look at recent issues of the PracTeX journal; there is some stuff about ConTeXt in there, and it should be good for beginners. - Of course, the Pragma website, but I guess you know that already. - Finally, for ancient Greek, there is the ancientgreek module http:// modules.contextgarden.net/t-greek which I find superior to all Greek typesetting in LaTeX (because I wrote the module). Don't hesitate to ask here when you have specific questions, but maybe that can get you started. I am a humanities guy and do all my work in ConTeXt... HTH Thomas ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: Hans Hagen wrote: should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether . the example framework is some ongoing experiment with web related tex/xml things; you don't need that, just stick to the built in xml handler (as described in example.pdf, but more extensive examples can be found in the x-*.tex files in the distribution Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on. most of the projects we run at pragma involve xml - pdf processing; using a dedicated dtd works most convenient using tei is ok, as long as you stick to structural elements and keep away from layour-related coding Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it). It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). You can also check the thread http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20050225.103441.cda2d788.en.html#20050225.103441.cda2d788 for some discussion on getting started with XML and context. But my problem right now is ConTeXt itself. My PhD thesis (that was typeset with LaTeX [for the examination board], Lambda [for the electronic publication] and XeLaTeX [just for fun ;-)]) contains quotes and some fragments in ancient Greek. And I would like to be able to do similar things (in a fancier way, of course ;-)) with ConTeXt. For those ones who were newbies not so long ago or that come from a humanities background, which are the best documents to start learning ConTeXt? There is also Berend de Boer's Latex in proper context that can help in the transition. http://articles.contextgarden.net/article/32 Aditya ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:34:54 -0500 (EST), Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: Thanks for your answer, Hans. Sorry for not answering before (these days I find myself installing a new computer and moving data into it). It seems that the task is more difficult than I thought (although x-contm.tex seems a very interesting example to begin with). You can also check the thread http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20050225.103441.cda2d788.en.html#20050225.103441.cda2d788 for some discussion on getting started with XML and context. Since this thread is also talking about some tools, I'll complete the list with dbcontext (http://dblatex.sf.net) on which I contribute, that translates DocBook to ConTeXt via XSL stylesheets. I guess that many aspects could be directly handled by context. Here are some examples built from DocBook sources: http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/example/svn-book-by-dbcontext.pdf, http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/example/divepython-dbc.pdf.bz2. Regards, BG ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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� wrote: I guess I can mix ConTeXt and XML with the eXaMpLe framework (I have just read about it at wiki.contextgarden.net). In order to understand TEI and ConTeXt, I would like to be able to create the files that will be able to compile an TEI XML document with ConTeXt without having to convert it to ConTeXt. I would like to avoid XSL and XSL-FO. I guess it Context can process XML directly, and for normal docs the related testing and programming features are ok; complex tree transformation can best be doen with xslt (luatex may change this); there is an xsl-fo processing available in context but i wonder if it has ever been used for serious work; fo is not that suited for quality typesetting and the regular machinery in context is producing better result and faster too should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether . the example framework is some ongoing experiment with web related tex/xml things; you don't need that, just stick to the built in xml handler (as described in example.pdf, but more extensive examples can be found in the x-*.tex files in the distribution Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on. most of the projects we run at pragma involve xml - pdf processing; using a dedicated dtd works most convenient using tei is ok, as long as you stick to structural elements and keep away from layour-related coding Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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Hi there, after more than five years using LaTeX (Lambda and XeLaTeX, this one for the last months), I have decided to give ConTeXt a try. LaTeX is fine for me: I have typeset my own dissertation in Philosophy (with ancient Greek and Unicode) and a couple of books. But the modular design makes things tricky at the end, and I would like to give ConTeXt (with XeTeX and LuaTeX when it comes) a try. At the same time, I would like to switch from TeX to XML. TeX is fine, but XML is better for other than typographical purposes. Coming from the humanities, I guess the right choice is TEI (P5 is expected to be released before middle of the following year). I had some experience with XML and Docbook some years ago, but that was before I switched to Linux and Docbook aims to technical documentation (and I'm not a technical guy). I guess I can mix ConTeXt and XML with the eXaMpLe framework (I have just read about it at wiki.contextgarden.net). In order to understand TEI and ConTeXt, I would like to be able to create the files that will be able to compile an TEI XML document with ConTeXt without having to convert it to ConTeXt. I would like to avoid XSL and XSL-FO. I guess it should be something similar DocbookInConTeXt, but I don't know whether it uses the eXaMplE framework (I don't even know whether . Could anyone comment on this topic? I mean, whether the described task could be achieved with ConTeXt, which issues may arise, whether this is the best approach to the issue, whether I miss something, and so on. Thanks for your help, Pablo ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
