[ob] FYI: Lucky Luciano ......I realized I'd joined the wrong mob
The story is told that after he had been deported to Italy, Lucky Luciano granted an interview in which he described a visit to the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. When the operations of floor specialists had been explained to him, he said, 'A terrible thing happened. I realized I'd joined the wrong mob' (1Ney, 8). It was with these words that Richard Ney began his first of three books on the nature of the New York Stock Exchange. Ney wrote over 50 years ago, a time when a 750 Dow was high and today's volumes were beyond imagining. The main premise of his books is still true: that the specialist exists not to ensure the free and orderly trade of stock in a particular company, but to fatten upon the innocence and ignorance of the small investor. The New York Stock Exchange is not an auction market (2Ney, 86), though many investors still hold onto that image. It is a rigged market. Volume is an effect of price. Prices are controlled absolutely by the specialists, the 'market makers' in individual stocks. It was this discovery that led Mr. Ney to eventually give us small investors a priceless gift: enlightenment. MORE INFORMATION AT: http://w3.tribcsp.com/~fredj/ney.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ney http://www.hermes-press.com/neyint.htm LIFTING THE FOG ON THE FINANCIAL MARKETS Today Gavin Holmes stepped into the boots of Wyckoff, Ney and other traders now departed that want you to hear the truth, and this webinar was over subscribed and with the news that Goldman Sachs have a software program capable of market manipulation the trader and investor who have had thier butt's handed to them on a plate wanted answers, and they got them!!! Over 2000 Traders and Investors Found The Truth Today - See For Yourself From The Archive Recording That Is Being Viewed From All Over The World: Click Link Below To View Archive: http://www.tradeguider.com/gavin_webinar_files/liftthefog.wmv We wish You All Good Trading and remember if you want to see all our archived events including Tom's video refferred to in the archive you can join the VSA Club FREE until August 7th, so don't miss out on this valuable education that could make the difference in your trading and investing. Details are available from the front page of: www.vsaclub.com The Truth Is Out There!! Your Mind Is Like A Parachute - Best Used When It Is Open!!
[ob] FYI. this is just like last year before lehman collapse
Originally Posted by Eulogy View Post Getting kinda nervous in this market Dow rises SP rises Gold rises Crude rises Then on the other hand you have Fed fund rate falls 2yr year Treasury yields fall VIX rises CIT shares rise - halts trading - prepares for bankruptcy this is just like last year before lehman collapsed .. vix has increased ---hati2 menjelang Sept- NOV 09.Deficit amrik menakutkan,hyper inflationsaham Dow naik karena Dollar lemah tetapi risk aversion membuat dollar dan Yen kuat secara semu. Mr. Oentung,Ratu Simasiap2 panen Short Selling Cheers.
[ob] The herd will panic after observing substantial falls..............
Quotation from Tom Williams, Former Professional Syndicate Trader and Author of Master The Markets. The herd will panic after observing substantial falls in a market (usually on bad news) and will usually follow its instinct to sell. As a trader who is aware of crowd psychology, you must ask yourself , Are the trading syndicates and market makers prepared to absorb the panic selling at these price levels? If they are, then this is a good sign that indicates market strength? We Look at Goldman Sachs, 21st November 2008 trading at $47.41 - In came the Smart Money - This Stock has nearly trebled in value!!! We will explain the chart, and the news that resulted in this giant Shake Out. Should You Buy, Sell, Hold or Do Nothing? This FREE Educational Seminar Will Give You The Clues to Look For In Your Charts Archived Link Enclosed Below Requires Windows Media Player 9 Sponsored by www.marketmanipulation.com The link to yesterdays oversubscribed event, over 1000 registrants, is below. If you have trouble viewing the link please check that you have Windows Media Player 9 or greater installed or if you still cannot view please email Richard Bednall at richa...@tradeguider.com . www.tradeguider.com/gavin_webinar_files/manip4.wmv JUST ANNOUNCED: Advanced VSA Chart Reading Workshop Live Holiday Inn Mart Plaza Chicago May 16th and 17th 2009 Hosted By Sebastian Manby Following our very successful and highly acclaimed Trading Boot-Camp in Chicago last weekend we have been asked to follow up with a more advanced workshop which go into much more detail then either the workshop or the Mentorship Room: 2 Days of detailed bar by bar analysis showing entry and exit points, trading setups and chart reviews. Each day consists of highly interactive analysis sessions combined with individual coaching. During the 2 Day workshop you will: Learn to read up bars and down bars in a combined story to easily identify accumulation or distribution to remain on the right side of the markets Learn how to identify vital bars with volume for intermediate background areas Identify intermediate background areas that show potential reversal of trend Identify intermediate background with decisive volume bars Learn when VSA tells you to exit a position quickly See Sebastian show decisive volume bars and their reaction in the future where there is a volume reaction against the previous background of a lower volume intensity (volume divergence). Interact live as Sebastian Challenges your chart reading skills until you are finely tuned to VSA analysis perfection Bring your charts for a bar by bar analysis Join Chart Reading Machine Sebastian for a unique, one off chart reading experience! Only 15 places are available and this event is filling up fast. Registrations will close Midnight Sunday May 5th. Please book now to secure your place. Price $1,995 to include breakfast and lunch both days. Please Book Now From This Link: https://www.tradeguider.com/emailshot/bootcamp_2009/vsa_course/advanced_vsa.htm THE ALL NEW LIVE VSA MENTORSHIP ROOM STARTS MONDAY 4TH MAY. Only $99.00 for 40 hours of live VSA Mentorship conducted in live markets looking at YOUR charts as trade set ups appear live: Join our pilot session for May, starting May 4th 2009, 10 hours each week - spread over 8 sessions. Join VSA Expert chart reader Sebastian Manby and his guests as they provide VSA analysis at the right edge. This is your opportunity to ask questions, about any chart in any market and have a VSA expert give you personalized chart analysis. Whether you trade Stocks FOREX Futures or Commodities this service provides you with a highly interactive experience which will provide real demonstrate added value to your trading. Subscription payment for this pilot offering is $99. If you book for both this pilot and the E-mini Room you can save $50 and pay $149. ALL EVENTS ARE ARCHIVED FOR REVIEW LATER. Register from this link, emails will be sent out tonight with room entry details: https://www.tradeguider.com/emini/order.asp If you have questions or would like to find out more about Volume Spread Analysis please email Darren Holmes at darr...@tradeguider.com or call United States (312) 373-6297 or Skype: tradeguider Good Trading, Tom Williams and The TradeGuider Team
[ob] November 2008 - Markets Plumetting April 2009 - Markets Rising November 2008 -
November 2008 - Markets Plumetting April 2009 - Markets Rising November 2008 - Smart Money Selling NO - THEY WERE BUYING - WATCH! THE HERD WERE SELLING! WHO ARE YOU PREDATOR OR PREY? BEWARE THE NEXT FALL This FREE Educational Seminar Will Give You The Clues to Look For In Your Charts Hundreds of Traders and Investors Watched The Evidence Presented Live - So Should You!! Sponsored by www.marketmanipulation.com
[ob] This FREE Educational Seminar Will Give You The Clues to Look For In Your Chart
November 2008 - Markets Plumetting April 2009 - Markets Rising November 2008 - Smart Money Selling NO - THEY WERE BUYING - WATCH! THE HERD WERE SELLING! WHO ARE YOU PREDATOR OR PREY? BEWARE THE NEXT FALL This FREE Educational Seminar Will Give You The Clues to Look For In Your Charts Hundreds of Traders and Investors Watched The Evidence Presented Live - So Should You!! Sponsored by www.marketmanipulation.com The TV interview that caused a 'storm' on American prime time television a few weeks ago and the re-action of former syndicate trader Tom Williams is shown as Jim Cramer, former hedge fund manager and presenter of CNBC's Mad Money described the manipulation in the Markets five times as 'Shenanigans'. The definition of shenanigans is: mischief, misbehavior, tomfoolery, monkey business, naughtiness. This is REAL and THE TRUTH and if you want to be successful in the markets this is a MUST SEE presentation: Please click the link below which will open the presentation in Windows Media Player, and PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO VIDEO PROJECTION FOR 5 MINUTES AFTER THE START. http://www.tradeguider.com/cotw/cotw_customer_180409.htm This is your opportunity to understand how the markets really work and trade in harmony with the 'Smart Money'!!! You may get a copy of the book Master The Markets and accompanying video from www.marketmanipulation.com as well as being able to view a host of information and facts on this now well exposed but contrarian subject, the manipulation of the herd by the smart money. If you have questions or would like to find out more about Volume Spread Analysis please email Darren Holmes at darr...@tradeguider.com or call United States (312) 373-6297 or Skype: tradeguider Good Trading, Tom Williams and The TradeGuider Team
[ob] http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data US Unemployment rate hit 19.8% Hati2 dengan Bear Market Rally trap Hati2 dengan dampak/korrelasi .Dji ke IHSG
[ob] Kompas hari ini, hal 17
Pemain Forex masuk bursa - tidak ada perbaikan fundamental dalam mini rally Smartmoney, omset rataw dari 1.6 T naik menjadi 3.6 T--thus ada floating 2T dipakai untuk : A. Kalau ada good News, misalnya ,dji, regional, stimulus, G20, corporate earning etc --SM cenderung tidak ikut Public/retail yang eforia untuk shopping, sebaliknya SM manfaatkan memontum bull ini untuk distribusi(menjual mahal dengan volume kecil/moderate untuk angkat harga), sampai terjadi situasi buying climax(ciri2 : volume besar, spread kecil, close di tengah atau dibawahnya (down bar--doji dengan kaki panjang (exhausting bar),(ini dinamakan Upstrust bar---tanda2 reversal), selanjutnya diikuti dengan 2 - 3 No Demand bar sideway, dalam situasi ini SM akan 'meng test pasar dengan Spike keatas (Candle Morning Star ?)dengan volume relatif kecil untuk mengetes apakah masih ada Demand, setelah jakin pasar di level harga ini tidak ada Demand plus tidak ada expected Good News, paling afdol kalau ada expected Bad News, saatnya harga dibuat rontok, bagi Weak Holder(retail investor/trader) yang kurang, akan cenderung untuk Sell, sampai panic selling, situasi ini dimanfaatkan SM untuk Shopping(accumulation), situasi harga turun ini akan mencapai stopping volumeetc.dan siklus naik turun yang dikendalikan SM akan jalan terus. Good Luck note : Tidak ada diskusi di millis ini, bagi peminat VSA, silahkan PM. Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Mbah.........VSA bisa dilihat jelas di
Terima kasih untuk info Free Chart. barusan download IDXVirtual dari BEI Pakai Volume-Equivolume.ternyata terlihat jelas running Trade volume di Candle volume-merah vs ijo---dan kenaikan bumi ke 750(running)...Bumi sementara dibawa keatas Terima kasih untuk persahabatanya selama ini aku off dulu ya mbah Salam dari cucu
[obrolan-bandar] 15:00 Re: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA
Maaf,15: baru balik ke layar monitor chart bumi tadi pagiharga turundan volume mengecil...volume jadi mengecil itu berapa(apakah close 4H?)apakah masih dibawah 50% dari volume seharian kemarin ? close Candle merah dan volume mengecil itu closed di sesi pagi (4H) Interpetasi : -sudah mulai ada tanda2 Selling climate , cirinya harga turun dibarengi dengan volume menurun-diperkirakan harga akan reversal dari bar merah kemarin ke hijau Apa kelemahan VSA : - Existing Bandar yang melakukan volume up disertai Markdown(akumulasi markdown)...bisa mengundang New Incoming bandar untuk 'jadi pengacaumaka dalam agenda mesti diawasi Volume BeI totalm juga harus diawasi Volume yang dari sektor lain masuk ke Bumi. Note : Kalau kita ikut Bandar A yang lagi akumulasi downlalu tetap dihajar Bandar B le bawah...tenang2.minimal kita ditemenin nyangkut bersama bandar A.soon will be ok. Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote: Karena Pak Adjies Ngga ada chart, ini saya bantu lampirkan chart BUMI sampai dgn closing sesi 1. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 18 Maret 2009 11:53 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA Step bandarmologi yg anda sebutkan kan cuman tehnik, tapi kita perlu tool ilmiah untuk mengconfirmasi apakah seperti itu. Dari posting pak Adjies sekilas, embah dapat gambaran VSA bisa menditeksi Smart Money ini secara metodologis/ilmiah. Jadi kita minta tolong pak Adjies untuk memberi tahu pada kita, apakah BUMI mengalami akumulasi pagi ini (BUMI 730-740) dengan menggunakan VSA. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Petualang Saham petualang.saham@ wrote: Biasanya sih klo pagi2 BD betot harga kemudian sore di jeblosin, DISTRIBUSI... Sebaliknya klo pagi2 di jeblosin tanpa volume kemudian sore di betot, AKUMULASI... CMIIW --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA Salah satu taktik untuk DISTRIBUSI BARANG pada market yg sepi adalah dengan taktik ini: Pada market sepi sentimen, orang tidak mau beli, tapi kalo saham rebound dari LOWnya, banyak orang mau beli, jadi: 1. Jatuhkan suatu saham, lalu gebug pake index 2. Angkat lagi saham tsb lau index diangkat, orang pada ikut beli. Pada grafik harga biasa tidak terlihat apakah ini distribusi atau akumulasi. BUMI kemarin digebug ke 720 lalu pagi ini diangkat, saat ini 750-760: - Apakah VSA saat ini bisa menditeksi: apakah saat ini Smart Money lagi akumulasi atau distribusi ?.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Trade Plam Bumi besok - blue Moon Terbit, Konfirmasi pada Penutupan
Pak Angelo, Kalau Chart Bapak muncul Blue Moon closing Bumi sore ini. Mohon bantuannya : - today Closed volume berapa ? - Besok tolong dipantau dan diposting.saat volume besok sudah ,melampaui minimal 50% (idealnya harga belum lari terlalu jauh)---paling bagus Closed pagi(4H chart) dengan volume sekitar 75% Rp. 740-740-aku mau masuk Bumi Price(740?) masih dekat2 today closed, kalau ada kondisi ini. (Intrepetasi Neubie VSA---sudah terjadi selling climate Bumi(akumulasi markdown berachir)buying volume akan membawa ke ijo)-kalau tidak ada Bandar yang baru masuk dan menjadi pengacau menghajar harga kebawah. terima kasih Salam
[obrolan-bandar] 15:00 Re: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Budi Hartono cakt...@... wrote: Kagak keliru nih.selling climax kok volume menurun...perasaan klimax tuh volumenya gede. Kalo harga turun volume turun ya artinya no selling pressure toh. Di notenya kok ada nyangkut ditemenin Bandar...katanya VSA bisa ngalahin Bandar..gimana nih?? Hello, Nyangkut karena menjadi Investor dan shopping berdasarkan rekomendasi AOmy wrong.done Lagi belajar Investing berdasarkan analisa VSA sendiri. reference ; What is Bullish Bearish Volume? There are only two basic definitions for bullish and bearish volume: 1. Bullish volume is increasing volume on up-moves and decreasing volume on down-moves. 2. Bearish volume is increasing volume on down-moves and decreasing volume on up-moves. Knowing this is only a start and in many cases, not a great deal of help for trading. You need to know more than this general observation. You need to look at the price spread and price action in relation to the volume. Most technical analysis tools tend to look at an area of a chart rather than a trading point. That is, averaging techniques are used to smooth what is seen as noisy data. The net effect of smoothing is to diminish the importance of variation in the data flow and to hide the true relationship between volume and the price action, rather than highlighting it! By using the TradeGuider software, volume activity is automatically calculated and displayed on a separate indicator called the `Volume Thermometer'. The accuracy of this leaves you in no doubt that bullish volume is expanding volume on up-bars and decreasing volume on down-bars. The market is an on-going story, unfolding bar by bar. The art of reading the market is to take an overall view, not to concentrate on individual bars. For example, once a market has finished distributing, the `smart money' will want to trap you into thinking that the market is going up. So, near the end of a distribution phase you may, but not always, see either an up-thrust (see later) or low volume up-bars. Both of these observations mean little on their own. However, because there is weakness in the background, these signs now become very significant signs of weakness, and the perfect place to take a short position. Any current action that is taking place cannot alter the strength or weakness that is embedded (and latent) in the background. It is vital to remember that near background indications are just as important as the most recent. As an example, you do exactly the same thing in your life. Your daily decisions are based on your background information and only partly on what is happening today. If you won the lottery last week, yes, you might be buying a yacht today, but your decision to buy a yacht today will be based on your recent background history of financial strength appearing in your life last week. The stock market is the same. Today's action is heavily influenced by recent background strength or weakness, rather than what is actually happening today (this is why 'news' does not have a long-term effect). If the market is being artificially marked up, this will be due to weakness in the background. If prices are being artificially marked down, it will be due to strength in the background. Footnotes: If prices are dropping on volume that is less than the previous two bars (or candles), especially if spread with the price closing in the middle or high of the bar, this indicates that there is `no selling pressure'. Down-bars: s are narrow, Up-bars: Weakness manifests itself on up-bars, especially when spreads are narrow, with volume less than the previous two bars (or candles). This shows that there is `no demand' from professional traders. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adjies2000 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] 15:00 Re: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA Maaf,15: baru balik ke layar monitor chart bumi tadi pagiharga turundan volume mengecil...volume jadi mengecil itu berapa(apakah close 4H?)apakah masih dibawah 50% dari volume seharian kemarin ? close Candle merah dan volume mengecil itu closed di sesi pagi (4H) Interpetasi : -sudah mulai ada tanda2 Selling climate , cirinya harga turun dibarengi dengan volume menurun-diperkirakan harga akan reversal dari bar merah kemarin ke hijau Apa kelemahan VSA : - Existing Bandar yang melakukan volume up disertai Markdown(akumulasi markdown)...bisa mengundang New Incoming bandar untuk 'jadi pengacaumaka dalam agenda mesti diawasi Volume BeI totalm juga harus diawasi Volume yang dari sektor lain masuk ke Bumi. Note : Kalau kita ikut Bandar A yang lagi akumulasi downlalu tetap dihajar Bandar B le bawah...tenang2.minimal kita ditemenin nyangkut bersama bandar A.soon will be ok
[obrolan-bandar] 15:00 Re: Test bandarmologi terhadap VSA
jangan sewot dulu, T. Williams bilang begitu...lupakan saja NO Problem.hehehe JstTrader---jangan merasa terinjak gara2---TA di katain T.williams x, eggak begitu maksudnya, ada mis komunikasi. biasa..di Millis memang begitu.sedikit 'gesekanbiasa. HajoBumi di Pivot 740 (mohon koreksi)..kemana besok..? ogut mau masukharus diikutkan volume versi Profesor Jsx dong. abis klimax tidak jadi , tetap selling Climatebukan klimaks Pak Oentong sampai tidak mau muncul lagigaya2 bilang tidak perlu TAdan dibom ramai2hahahaha Terima kasih Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Mohon maaf semua,...........Mbah, JsxTrader
Mohon maaf semua untuk kegaduhan yang telah muncul Aku berjanji menjadi anak baik...duduk diam dan tidak posting. Terima kasih Salam
[obrolan-bandar] You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you?
Alerts : ---Honeymood Long US banking-dijagainsiap2 TP,OBAMa toxuc assets Planstimulus...budget -jadi omong kosong ===IHSG Player waras.turun2 pelan2jangan 'ikut2an regional...jangan Free fall...kasih waktu cukup untuk CutLoss pelan2. Salam = China Sends Obama a Clear Message by Tony Sagami Dear Subscriber, What would happen if your boss cut your salary, you had no savings, and none of the banks or credit card companies would lend you any money? You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? Well ... that's exactly the situation the U.S. is potentially staring at if foreign governments decide they don't want to loan us any more money by buying U.S. Treasury and other government-backed bonds. And who buys most of our bonds? China and Japan ... At the end of 2008, China owned $727.4 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. And Japan was second, at $626 billion. Japan has drastically curtailed buying U.S. bonds now that its economy is in shambles. But China has been and continues to be the most important lender to the U.S., essentially funding a big chunk of President Obama's $787-billion economic stimulus plan. The problem is ... China is Re-Thinking the Wisdom Of Holding So Much U.S. Debt Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is worried about the stability of China's huge portfolio of U.S. government bonds. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, speaking at the closing press conference of China's National People's Congress China's annual legislative session dropped this verbal bomb on the Obama administration last week: To be honest, I am definitely a little worried. We have loaned huge amounts of money to the United States, so of course, we have to be concerned. We hope the United States honors its word and ensures the safety of Chinese assets. I highly doubt that those remarks were impromptu. They are a clear message to the Obama administration that it needs to stop spending like a drunken sailor if it expects the rest of the world to buy U.S. government bonds. The line of Chinese policymakers, economists, and scholars voicing concerns about investing too much of their country's $2 trillion surplus in U.S. debt is growing longer and longer. Many are urging diversifying out of U.S. bonds and into more tangible assets such as natural resources and gold. The reason is simple: There is an expectation that U.S. bonds are headed for a big drop in value because we are simply printing too much money to fund our stimulus spending spree. In fact, the Chinese are already starting to move out of U.S. bonds ...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you?
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader⢠jsxtra...@... wrote: Jangan kebanyakan nonton cnbc atau baca berita ekonomi dunia pak.., ntar stress sendiri.., hehe Btw, secara VSA, DOW bakal gimana nih? Advise pls. Reply ; Tidak berani memberikan advise kepada Oom, Kalau Pak Jsx punya Amibroker yang online realtime dengan BEI..ada Add-on beberapa jenis VSAdimana lebih mudah reading the market dari Supply volume vs Demand volume untuk .dji, jksxdan main tektok di Bei..dimana bisa mendeteksi(mendahului signal TA)BD dan Trader lagi saling pancing dan saling jebak.volume kecil harga bisa naik bisa turunvolume gede harga bisa naik bisa turun.nggak ada tuh BD baik hati..naikin harga dengan volume dan (langsung) harga juga dibawa naik(Bullish volume)untuk ajak2 Trader makan Steak Freepaling2 juga dibawa naik surga untuk di bantai. Mbah sudah mulai paham--Selling climate bisa membal jadi mini bull(retrachment), kalau Bear volume bull volumeh, malah turun lagiamati perubahan volume---On balance volume (uP-THRUSTS DAN dOWN-tHRUSTS) MbahwAVE + VSA ibarat Mbah jadi macan ditambah sayap bisa terbang amati omset dan volume bei beberapa hari ini..kalau cenderung menuRUN TERUS-- hati2 Tektok dikolam kecil dan banyak piranhanya---MAIN Kanibalism SANGAT BERBAHAYA Good Luck... Salam Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: adjies2000 ad2...@... Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:13:40 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? Alerts : ---Honeymood Long US banking-dijagainsiap2 TP,OBAMa toxuc assets Planstimulus...budget -jadi omong kosong ===IHSG Player waras.turun2 pelan2jangan 'ikut2an regional...jangan Free fall...kasih waktu cukup untuk CutLoss pelan2. Salam = China Sends Obama a Clear Message by Tony Sagami Dear Subscriber, What would happen if your boss cut your salary, you had no savings, and none of the banks or credit card companies would lend you any money? You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? Well ... that's exactly the situation the U.S. is potentially staring at if foreign governments decide they don't want to loan us any more money by buying U.S. Treasury and other government-backed bonds. And who buys most of our bonds? China and Japan ... At the end of 2008, China owned $727.4 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. And Japan was second, at $626 billion. Japan has drastically curtailed buying U.S. bonds now that its economy is in shambles. But China has been and continues to be the most important lender to the U.S., essentially funding a big chunk of President Obama's $787-billion economic stimulus plan. The problem is ... China is Re-Thinking the Wisdom Of Holding So Much U.S. Debt Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is worried about the stability of China's huge portfolio of U.S. government bonds. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, speaking at the closing press conference of China's National People's Congress China's annual legislative session dropped this verbal bomb on the Obama administration last week: To be honest, I am definitely a little worried. We have loaned huge amounts of money to the United States, so of course, we have to be concerned. We hope the United States honors its word and ensures the safety of Chinese assets. I highly doubt that those remarks were impromptu. They are a clear message to the Obama administration that it needs to stop spending like a drunken sailor if it expects the rest of the world to buy U.S. government bonds. The line of Chinese policymakers, economists, and scholars voicing concerns about investing too much of their country's $2 trillion surplus in U.S. debt is growing longer and longer. Many are urging diversifying out of U.S. bonds and into more tangible assets such as natural resources and gold. The reason is simple: There is an expectation that U.S. bonds are headed for a big drop in value because we are simply printing too much money to fund our stimulus spending spree. In fact, the Chinese are already starting to move out of U.S. bonds ... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Dow +2.48%
Komentar amatir yang pasti salah ; - di pasar yang nerves, berita kenaikan construction bisa membawa Dow naik +2.48%=ini cuma euphoria atau suntikan penguat jantung bagi pasien yang menjelang EOreal economy berkata lain---Alcao PS. VSA amatir : volume menurun---tanda2 sebagian SM tidak ikut, theori T. william--harga naik dibarengi volume menurun..hehehe...coba tebak manggis---Ini bukan bullish volume (Volume meningkat dibarengi volume meningkat atau volume menurun dibarengi dengan harga menurun-ibarat pedal mobil, saat kita naik bukit dan turun dari tanjakan) disclaimer : pasti salah, maka jangan tanya Salam == 7,395.70 +178.73 (2.48%) Mar 17 - Close Open: 7,218.00 Mkt Cap: - P/E:- Dividend: - High: 7,396.81 52Wk High: 13,191.49 F P/E: - Yield: - Low:7,172.05 52Wk Low: 6,469.95 Beta: - Shares: - Vol:391.83M EPS:- Inst. Own: -
[obrolan-bandar] Re: You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you?
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, hepisa...@... wrote: Mantep juga kalo bisa add on VSA di amibroker. Add on nya gratis ga pak, setahu saya bbp add on utk amibro gratis dr gangnya pak Dendo. Rgds. Reply : oya, ada 2=3 jenis gratis, tapi tidak sebaik TradeGuider Salam lov...@blackberry -Original Message- From: adjies2000 ad2...@... Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:51:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader⢠jsxtrader@ wrote: Jangan kebanyakan nonton cnbc atau baca berita ekonomi dunia pak.., ntar stress sendiri.., hehe Btw, secara VSA, DOW bakal gimana nih? Advise pls. Reply ; Tidak berani memberikan advise kepada Oom, Kalau Pak Jsx punya Amibroker yang online realtime dengan BEI..ada Add-on beberapa jenis VSAdimana lebih mudah reading the market dari Supply volume vs Demand volume untuk .dji, jksxdan main tektok di Bei..dimana bisa mendeteksi(mendahului signal TA)BD dan Trader lagi saling pancing dan saling jebak.volume kecil harga bisa naik bisa turunvolume gede harga bisa naik bisa turun.nggak ada tuh BD baik hati..naikin harga dengan volume dan (langsung) harga juga dibawa naik(Bullish volume)untuk ajak2 Trader makan Steak Freepaling2 juga dibawa naik surga untuk di bantai. Mbah sudah mulai paham--Selling climate bisa membal jadi mini bull(retrachment), kalau Bear volume bull volumeh, malah turun lagiamati perubahan volume---On balance volume (uP-THRUSTS DAN dOWN-tHRUSTS) MbahwAVE + VSA ibarat Mbah jadi macan ditambah sayap bisa terbang amati omset dan volume bei beberapa hari ini..kalau cenderung menuRUN TERUS-- hati2 Tektok dikolam kecil dan banyak piranhanya---MAIN Kanibalism SANGAT BERBAHAYA Good Luck... Salam Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: adjies2000 ad2000@ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:13:40 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? Alerts : ---Honeymood Long US banking-dijagainsiap2 TP,OBAMa toxuc assets Planstimulus...budget -jadi omong kosong ===IHSG Player waras.turun2 pelan2jangan 'ikut2an regional...jangan Free fall...kasih waktu cukup untuk CutLoss pelan2. Salam = China Sends Obama a Clear Message by Tony Sagami Dear Subscriber, What would happen if your boss cut your salary, you had no savings, and none of the banks or credit card companies would lend you any money? You'd be in some deep doo-doo, wouldn't you? Well ... that's exactly the situation the U.S. is potentially staring at if foreign governments decide they don't want to loan us any more money by buying U.S. Treasury and other government-backed bonds. And who buys most of our bonds? China and Japan ... At the end of 2008, China owned $727.4 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. And Japan was second, at $626 billion. Japan has drastically curtailed buying U.S. bonds now that its economy is in shambles. But China has been and continues to be the most important lender to the U.S., essentially funding a big chunk of President Obama's $787-billion economic stimulus plan. The problem is ... China is Re-Thinking the Wisdom Of Holding So Much U.S. Debt Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is worried about the stability of China's huge portfolio of U.S. government bonds. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, speaking at the closing press conference of China's National People's Congress China's annual legislative session dropped this verbal bomb on the Obama administration last week: To be honest, I am definitely a little worried. We have loaned huge amounts of money to the United States, so of course, we have to be concerned. We hope the United States honors its word and ensures the safety of Chinese assets. I highly doubt that those remarks were impromptu. They are a clear message to the Obama administration that it needs to stop spending like a drunken sailor if it expects the rest of the world to buy U.S. government bonds. The line of Chinese policymakers, economists, and scholars voicing concerns about investing too much of their country's $2 trillion surplus in U.S. debt is growing longer and longer. Many are urging diversifying out of U.S. bonds and into more tangible assets such as natural resources and gold. The reason is simple: There is an expectation that U.S. bonds are headed for a big drop in value because we are simply printing too much money to fund our stimulus spending spree. In fact, the Chinese
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Kemana IHSG mengarah..? ... TA GENERIC
Mbah, Pengamatan yang bagus..you are on the right track ==BEI paralel dengan Bumi secara teknikal-buatkan Overlay Chart, pasti kelihat secara kasat mata Mbah. 2 hari ini saat regional ijotetapi tidak menular ke IHSG.sampai Boss JsxTrader bilang melawan arah.aduhsayang aku tidak punya real time Chart..sesungguhnyakita bisa melihat face to facetanpa intrepetasi...tanpa tular menular virus...perubahan volume/value BEI---untuk menilai What is going on with BEIPemahaman volume T.williams kayaknya agak berbeda dengan JsxTrader dan PengamatMarkettapi aku sebagai Neubie dan amatiran tidak mau berpolemik---pepesan kosong di OB. Mbah..2 hari ini, IHSG merah tipis...kalau lihat di TV..jumlah saham merah-tipis bertambah banyak(peluru sengaja dijatahi sekikit dibanyak saham *(sepintas melawan arah)apa ini merupakan persiapan untuk Break-out di Saham tertentu, lalu di bantai? Mohon petuah Mbah Terima kasih Salam dari cucu --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Item 6 dibawah yaitu: 6. Faktor BUMI yg lagi mencapai level kritis pada Support downtrend channnel - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.htm Yg terjadi dua hari INI: - 90% capital Outflow yg terjadi selama dua hari ini didominasi oleh BUMI. Jadi engga heran ASII berjalan berlawanan arah dengan BUMI selama ini. Expense dikeluarin buat naekin ASII tapi hari ini expense tsb KETUTUP kan... - Jadi Capital outflow untuk SELURUH saham BEI diluar BUMI hanya sedikit yaitu hanya 10% dari saham BUMI yg kabur. IHSG bisa dibilang jatuh karena faktor [BUMI] yg namanya diganti jadi [BUCAT] Jadi IHSG ditentukan BUKAN oleh technical IHSG tapi oleh technical BUMI, Inilah yg embah mau sampaikan pada posting TA GENERIC...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Kemana IHSG mengarah..? ... TA GENERIC
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Item 6 dibawah yaitu: 6. Faktor BUMI yg lagi mencapai level kritis pada Support downtrend channnel - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.htm Mbah, Kemarin IHSG volume Meningkat(lihat gambah Embahtetapi Harga menembus Trendlinemenarik untuk di pirit. 1. Volume tinggi sering mengecoh bahwa akan membal dari trendline, belum tentu menurut T. william, karena dekat2 trendline harus dicek-apakah bullish volume bearish volume dekat2 Trendline, SM tahu Kaum TA sering pakai Trendline/Pivot ditambah momentum atau Macd untuk predik membal tau tembus--sehingga disini sering terjadi small killing field. 2. Volume tinggi(relativ dibandingkan 1-6 hari sebelumnya)..dekat2 Trendline lagi..disini harus dicek---apa yang terjadi 3. Kayaknya, BD sedang belanja @ wholesale priceciri2 Volume tinggi harga mark down(melawan menularnya dow/regional)...dari bawah..dimulai aiangkat keatas..dibantai--Smart Money itu cuma mencari Spread dari setip Tradebukan Investing, tidak berbeda dengan Tektok-wanbedanya.tektokwan cuma mengandalkan Ilmu-regional ijo---harapkan IHSG iho---harga saham xx TA signal buylihat saham xxx naik---ikut2 belihehehe cara ini sering terkecoh oleh Smartmoney Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: VSA bukan Holygrail...tapi....
Mbah,Embah kan sudah jelaskan dengan bijaksana ...NO Holy Grail...betul cuma bedanyaVSA tidak memprediksi..tatapi dari Current/running Volume/spread untuk melihat current Supply vs Demand--untuk ancang2 buy/no trade/sellbaik Trading maupun Investing---jelas kalau sudah mahir Mbah, mohon Advice : ---2 hari ini, disaat omset BEU1 T.ada peningkatan volume(Bei Chart Embah).disini kita bisa bilang ada smartMoney masuk..kemarin harga menembus Trendline TA...apakah ini akumulasi markdown SM ?..jadi Tektokwanjuga boleh ikut BD untuk mulai Buy the dips ? dengan resiko buying into falling knife? tapi kan SM mampu menahan fallinf knife, disaat omset cuma 1 T...dan dow iji tebal dan kayaknya regional juga begiturabu ini IHSG busa dibuat merah tipis' dalam rangka akumulasi ! whole price Smar money ? Please Mbah, Reply. Baiklah mbah. Terima kasih Salam cari Cucu = --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Embah sih untuk TA mengambil concept sederhana KISS sekuali untuk BA yg merupakah model COMPLEX. Embah sih baca uraian VSA udah males, temasuk mumet untuk ukuran embah, tapi mungkin tidak untuk yg lain. Tapi kalo memang VSA bagus, embah akan coba belajar. Makanya embah lagi nunggu pak Adjies bikin rekomendasi pake VSA. Selama ini yg dibahas merupakan kejadian yg SUDAH terjadi. Semua metoda TA kalo ngomong kejadian udah terjadi selalu NAMPAK HEBAT, tapi kalo memprediksi yg akan terjadi BELUM KELIATAN dimilis. Ingat engga dulu, Candle Stick diagung agungkan ketika ER muncul, sekarang cuman biasa biasa aja. Jadi kalo pak Adjies engga keberatan, tunjukan BUKTI NYATA kehebatan VSA dengan demontrasi, kalo terbukti bisa MEMPREDIKSI yg belum terjadi, VSA baru hebat.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mbah...bumi--ikut smartmoney(Buy the dips = ak markdown?)
Mbah, -yang penting Cuan..cara apapunpun To beat the Smartmonye, if you can Trade like SM(ini sama dengan mengikuti Wave Mbah kan). Pls Confirm telah terjadi akumulasi markdown Bumi, ciri2 terdapat volume meningkat cukup tajam saham Bumi...dan harga terlihat diturun in.Volume EoD kemarin harus dikonfirm dengan current (running)volume Bumi untuk meng-intrepetasikan arah dan ontrepetasi akumulasi markdown SM hari ini juga, atau sudah kenyang dan mulai diangkat ke atas 810+++ ikut SM ?, buy the dips@ Terima kasih Mbah Salam cari Cucu --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: Saya aja yang pilihin sahamnya ya. Gimana kalo. BUMI Kita lihat apa ada yang bisa ngalahin BD BUMI. Kekekek... Regards, Yudizz
[obrolan-bandar] Re: VSA bukan Holygrail...tapi....
Pak Edwinkdr, Trading berdasarkan volume beli vs volume jual(Supply vs Demand) untuk tentukan arah harga pasar---ini lebih tua dari sejarah TAdan sudah banyak dilupakan orang. silahkan mendalam VSA modern..intinya tidak memprediksi apa2...tetapi berenang dengan arah pasar(current volume dibanding dengan TF volume sebelumnya). OK,Millis OB yang didominasi Gaya trading tertentu dan barangkali merasa terganggu dengan VSAkita jangan bicara lagi soal VSA...nanti menjadi tidak disayang Mbah. salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, edwinkdr edwin...@... wrote: VSA = Volume Spread Analysis :-) Tks buat Pak Adjies, saya jadi penasaran soalnya... :-) Jadi terpaksa mau belajar lagi...hihi (pemalas mode ON) Sedikit rangkuman hasil surfing : CMIIW VSA = Price + VOL ? Penerapan VSA dalam STOCK : http://www.tradersworld.com/hawkes.pdf Untuk mengidentifikasi BUYER dan SELLER Demikian juga saat diterapkan bersamaan dengan CANDLE STICK : http://www.mrswing.com/artman/publish/swing_trading_Volume_Spread_Analysis_with_Candlesticks_part_3.shtml Dimana VSA = Bisa di definisi dengan TOOLS untuk SYSTEM yg modern akan tetapi untuk TA Primitif yg dipakai para senior (Embah, Pak Busur, Pak JT...dll..), cukup Price(Candlestick) dan VOL sudah bisa dilihat dengan mata telanjang mau kemana arahnya...(asal bukan orangnya lho yg telanjang, bahaya qiqiqi).. Contoh dari Pak Adjies : http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136152 contoh forex : The HLCV(HIGH,LOW,CLOSE,VOLUME) JUST TO CLARIFY SO PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND THE VSA. I BASE MY TRADE ENTRIES ON 2 PREVIOUS CANDLE STICKS. I DON'T USE T/A PERIOD. JUST PRICE ACTION AND VOLUME TO ENTER. THE CHART I'M USING IS EUR/USD 15MIN INTERVALS.I'M GOING TO LIST THE PRICE ACTION IN THE FOLLOWING WAY H/C OR (HIGH-CLOSE) NOT A DIVISION LINE JUST SEPERATES HC FROM HL H/L OR (HIGH-LOW) BAR 1: ENTRY LONG H/L: 9 H/C:5 VOL:111 BAR 2 H/L:10 NOTICE STEADY INCREASE H/L H/C:2 VOL:119 BAR 3 H/L:29 H/C:14 VOL:252 STRONG VOLUME BAR 4: SELL ON THIS BAR ANYTIME H/L:20 DECLINE H/L POINTS TO WEAKNESS H/C:3 VOL:209 BAR 5: SELL/SHORT - I CLOSED OUT AFTER 15-20 H/L:15 IMMEDIATE DECLINE H/C:14 VOL:203 VOLUME WEAKER THEN BAR 3/NO STRENGTH ON SELL SIDE BAR 6: BUY/LONG BASED ON H/L DECLINE FROM PREVIOUS BAR/CLOSED OUT AFTER 15-20 PIPS H/L:13 IMMEDIATE DECLINE H/C:2 VOL:200 VOLUME WEAKER THEN BAR 4/NO STRENGTH ON BUY SIDE BAR 7: SELL/SHORT ON WEAKNESS FROM H/L H/L:20STRENGTH ON H/L H/C:2 VOL:264STRENGTH ON VOL BAR 8: CLOSED OUT ON 15-20 PIP H/L:19 H/C:14 VOL:238 BAR 9: H/L:14SHOWS WEAKNESS H/C:13 VOL:205WEAKNESS ON VOL FROM BAR 7 BAR 10:BUY/LONG BASED ON H/L WEAKNESS H/L:21SHOWS STRENGTH H/C:6 VOL:280SHOWS VOL STRENGTH FROM BAR 8 BAR 11 BAR CLOSED ON TRAILING STOP 15 H/L:24 H/C:14 VOL:364 BAR 12 H/L:16 H/C:13 VOL:275 BAR 13: SELL/SHORT H/L:30 STRONG INCREASE ON H/L H/C:23 VOL:244 BAR 14: H/L:14 WEAKNESS ON H/L H/C:11 VOL:251 BAR 15: H/L:26 STRENGTH ON H/L H/C:26 VOL:298 STRENGTH ON VOL FROM BAR 13 BAR 16:IMMEDIATELY CLOSE OUT BAR AFTER TRAILSTOP HIT H/L:16 WEAKNESS ON H/L H/C:13 VOL:342 BAR 17: H/L:22 H/C:10 VOL:306 . Semoga bermanfaat, Tks Best Regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Mbah,Embah kan sudah jelaskan dengan bijaksana ...NO Holy Grail...betul cuma bedanyaVSA tidak memprediksi..tatapi dari Current/running Volume/spread untuk melihat current Supply vs Demand--untuk ancang2 buy/no trade/sellbaik Trading maupun Investing---jelas kalau sudah mahir Mbah, mohon Advice : ---2 hari ini, disaat omset BEU1 T.ada peningkatan volume(Bei Chart Embah).disini kita bisa bilang ada smartMoney masuk..kemarin harga menembus Trendline TA...apakah ini akumulasi markdown SM ?..jadi Tektokwanjuga boleh ikut BD untuk mulai Buy the dips ? dengan resiko buying into falling knife? tapi kan SM mampu menahan fallinf knife, disaat omset cuma 1 T...dan dow iji tebal dan kayaknya regional juga begiturabu ini IHSG busa dibuat merah tipis' dalam rangka akumulasi ! whole price Smar money ? Please Mbah, Reply. Baiklah mbah. Terima kasih Salam cari Cucu = --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Embah sih untuk TA mengambil concept sederhana KISS sekuali untuk BA yg merupakah model COMPLEX. Embah sih baca uraian VSA udah males, temasuk mumet untuk ukuran embah, tapi mungkin tidak untuk yg lain. Tapi kalo memang VSA bagus, embah akan coba belajar. Makanya embah lagi nunggu pak Adjies bikin rekomendasi pake VSA. Selama ini
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mbah disayang dan bijak
Terima kasih Mbah Mbah yang paling aku hormati pendapatnya di Millis OB...Mbah pasti karena sudah kenal watak BEI dan saham2 tertentu Mbah, tolong diposting,,,kalau Volume current running volume Bumi sudah mencapai 50% dari EOD Closed Bumi(kemarin)...paling afdol sudah Closed di 4H Bumi Chart hari ini...menurut T. william---heheh takut menyesatkanno comment lah data volume running closed Bumi ini aku butuhkan...untuk buy on dips bumi, karena intrepetasi BD Bumi lagi akumulasi markdown---(disaat Dow ijo tebaldan barangkali regional juga ijo tebal---karena kondisi Index Dow/regional) mendukung secara psikologi---setelah kenyang beli(akumulasi markdown) di whole price---dibawa ke 800+++ Note : aku tidak punya Chart Real Time Volume Bumi Terima kasih Mbah Salam dari Cucu --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Silahkan bahas VSA tapi kalo bisa demontrasinya Embah belum mempelajari VSA jadi sebenarnya embah belum pantas untuk kasih komentar tentang VSA. Embah cuman ngasih BALANCING doang: - Sepertinya model VSA cukup rumit. - Tapi kalo memang BAGUS, biarpun rumit harus dipelajari. Jadi please kasih demontrasinya... Kita harus berterima kasih banyak ama pak Adjies atas INPUT2nya, embah cuman menjalankan balancing saja dan mungkin saja balancing ini tidak perlu karena ternyata VSA bagus... Gimana komentar para senior tentang VSA ? terutama dari suhu Pak Alfatih... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, edwinkdr edwinkdr@ wrote: OK Dech Tks atas infonya Bagus kog sebenarnya VSA itu... :-) OK,Millis OB yang didominasi Gaya trading tertentu dan barangkali merasa terganggu dengan VSAkita jangan bicara lagi soal VSA...nanti menjadi tidak disayang Mbah. BTW, Gak usah mutung gitu lah Beda pendapat biasa di milis, lha wong kita sama - sama manusia.. Coba kalo bukan...(lhoh...:-p) Keep posting saja... :-) Tks Best Regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Pak Edwinkdr, Trading berdasarkan volume beli vs volume jual(Supply vs Demand) untuk tentukan arah harga pasar---ini lebih tua dari sejarah TAdan sudah banyak dilupakan orang. silahkan mendalam VSA modern..intinya tidak memprediksi apa2...tetapi berenang dengan arah pasar(current volume dibanding dengan TF volume sebelumnya). OK,Millis OB yang didominasi Gaya trading tertentu dan barangkali merasa terganggu dengan VSAkita jangan bicara lagi soal VSA...nanti menjadi tidak disayang Mbah. salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, edwinkdr edwinkdr@ wrote: VSA = Volume Spread Analysis :-) Tks buat Pak Adjies, saya jadi penasaran soalnya... :-) Jadi terpaksa mau belajar lagi...hihi (pemalas mode ON) Sedikit rangkuman hasil surfing : CMIIW VSA = Price + VOL ? Penerapan VSA dalam STOCK : http://www.tradersworld.com/hawkes.pdf Untuk mengidentifikasi BUYER dan SELLER Demikian juga saat diterapkan bersamaan dengan CANDLE STICK : http://www.mrswing.com/artman/publish/swing_trading_Volume_Spread_Analysis_with_Candlesticks_part_3.shtml Dimana VSA = Bisa di definisi dengan TOOLS untuk SYSTEM yg modern akan tetapi untuk TA Primitif yg dipakai para senior (Embah, Pak Busur, Pak JT...dll..), cukup Price(Candlestick) dan VOL sudah bisa dilihat dengan mata telanjang mau kemana arahnya...(asal bukan orangnya lho yg telanjang, bahaya qiqiqi).. Contoh dari Pak Adjies : http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/136152 contoh forex : The HLCV(HIGH,LOW,CLOSE,VOLUME) JUST TO CLARIFY SO PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND THE VSA. I BASE MY TRADE ENTRIES ON 2 PREVIOUS CANDLE STICKS. I DON'T USE T/A PERIOD. JUST PRICE ACTION AND VOLUME TO ENTER. THE CHART I'M USING IS EUR/USD 15MIN INTERVALS.I'M GOING TO LIST THE PRICE ACTION IN THE FOLLOWING WAY H/C OR (HIGH-CLOSE) NOT A DIVISION LINE JUST SEPERATES HC FROM HL H/L OR (HIGH-LOW) BAR 1: ENTRY LONG H/L: 9 H/C:5 VOL:111 BAR 2 H/L:10 NOTICE STEADY INCREASE H/L H/C:2 VOL:119 BAR 3 H/L:29 H/C:14 VOL:252 STRONG VOLUME BAR 4: SELL ON THIS BAR ANYTIME H/L:20 DECLINE H/L POINTS TO WEAKNESS H/C:3 VOL:209 BAR 5: SELL/SHORT - I CLOSED OUT AFTER 15-20 H/L:15 IMMEDIATE DECLINE H/C:14 VOL:203 VOLUME WEAKER THEN BAR 3/NO STRENGTH ON SELL SIDE BAR 6: BUY/LONG BASED ON H/L DECLINE FROM PREVIOUS BAR/CLOSED OUT AFTER 15-20 PIPS H/L:13 IMMEDIATE DECLINE H/C:2 VOL:200 VOLUME WEAKER THEN BAR 4/NO STRENGTH ON BUY
[obrolan-bandar] 9:20 Bumi VSA simple
-IHSG sejak 2 hari terdapat peningkat Volume, meskipun masih dibawah 1 T, disaat kondisi bursa beginidiintrepetasikan bahwa ada smart money masuk BEI - Bumi kemarin turun 30volume EOD berapa ?coba hari inirunning volume kalau sdah melampaui 50% dari EOD kemarin,paling bagus Price closed di Volume dari 50% Volume kemarin Menurut intrepetasi VSA : Arah akan meneruskan arah kemarin Bumi Red Bar(belum muncul Selling climate yang berubah menjadi bull), kalau closed kurang dari 50% volume kemarin(ada tanda2 selling climate untuk reversal--mesti ada spread yang memadaiuntuk Bumi kita tetap kan -30)jadi kalau masih akumulasi markdown akan dibawa turun ke 730..sebelum dibawa naik (karena dow/regional mendukung bullish, harga Coal akan dipertimbangkan juga). note : aku tidak punya real time bumi Volume Salam
[obrolan-bandar] 9:40 Bumi naik 20
TenangSmart Money apa sudah :kenyang akumulasi markdown ? dan akan dibawa ke 800belum tentu...trade done dibandingkan ke volume EOD Bumi kemarin sebagai patokanswim with the Shark. +20...mungkin cuma noice aja,,Smart money butuh spread untuk cuan 500, recehan mungkin tidak menarik(spekulasi) Disclaimer : bisa salah salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple
Boro2 Tradeguider.realtime BEI tidak punya...cuma intip Yahooterlambat 14menit Aku bukan intraday trader BEI Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Pak Adjies, VSA nya pake software tradeguider yah? datanya ambil dari mana pak? Thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: -IHSG sejak 2 hari terdapat peningkat Volume, meskipun masih dibawah 1 T, disaat kondisi bursa beginidiintrepetasikan bahwa ada smart money masuk BEI - Bumi kemarin turun 30volume EOD berapa ?coba hari inirunning volume kalau sdah melampaui 50% dari EOD kemarin,paling bagus Price closed di Volume dari 50% Volume kemarin Menurut intrepetasi VSA : Arah akan meneruskan arah kemarin Bumi Red Bar(belum muncul Selling climate yang berubah menjadi bull), kalau closed kurang dari 50% volume kemarin(ada tanda2 selling climate untuk reversal--mesti ada spread yang memadaiuntuk Bumi kita tetap kan -30)jadi kalau masih akumulasi markdown akan dibawa turun ke 730..sebelum dibawa naik (karena dow/regional mendukung bullish, harga Coal akan dipertimbangkan juga). note : aku tidak punya real time bumi Volume Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:55 Bumi naik
Bandar Bumi juga tidak mau angkat harga dan tidak ada penumpanghehehe, kita main dengan cara trading BDVolume tidak bisa menipu aku tunggu di 700-710..saat Price close @ 700 -710 di H4 dan volume 50% Volume EOD Bumi kemarin(mungkin sesi pagi)..BD juga perlu wholePrice dan penumpang menjelang keatasdow/.regional mendukung dibawa keatas Disclaimer : ini cuma simulasijang dipakai trading salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, er1ck er1...@... wrote: nah bgini baru rock n rolll , shake beibee 2009/3/18 adjies2000 ad2...@... TenangSmart Money apa sudah :kenyang akumulasi markdown ? dan akan dibawa ke 800belum tentu...trade done dibandingkan ke volume EOD Bumi kemarin sebagai patokanswim with the Shark. +20...mungkin cuma noice aja,,Smart money butuh spread untuk cuan 500, recehan mungkin tidak menarik(spekulasi) Disclaimer : bisa salah salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple
Bapak Tasrul terhormat, BEtul...seharusnya pakai Charttapi aku tidak punya aku sengaja lemparkan thema VSA supaya Bapak ikut memberikan Signal dengan cara Bandar bertrading, yaitu hanya melihat supply vs Demand untuk arahkan harga dan mendapat cuan dari Spread. VSA juga ada Chartnya, seperti TA umumnya-cuma sedikit intensip untuk intrepetasi Volumeapakah Bullish volume...bearish ...selling climate yang akan menuju reversal dstvolume...Ipthrusts etc untuk entry/exit. tolong dibantu pak...Volume tetap memakai TA Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tasrul tas...@... wrote: Sekedar saran aja buat Pak Adjie..kalo bicara TA bicara ttg chart jadi tampilin donk chartnya..kita mau juga lihat nih... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adjies2000 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:47 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple Boro2 Tradeguider.realtime BEI tidak punya...cuma intip Yahooterlambat 14menit Aku bukan intraday trader BEI Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Pak Adjies, VSA nya pake software tradeguider yah? datanya ambil dari mana pak? Thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: -IHSG sejak 2 hari terdapat peningkat Volume, meskipun masih dibawah 1 T, disaat kondisi bursa beginidiintrepetasikan bahwa ada smart money masuk BEI - Bumi kemarin turun 30volume EOD berapa ?coba hari inirunning volume kalau sdah melampaui 50% dari EOD kemarin,paling bagus Price closed di Volume dari 50% Volume kemarin Menurut intrepetasi VSA : Arah akan meneruskan arah kemarin Bumi Red Bar(belum muncul Selling climate yang berubah menjadi bull), kalau closed kurang dari 50% volume kemarin(ada tanda2 selling climate untuk reversal--mesti ada spread yang memadaiuntuk Bumi kita tetap kan -30)jadi kalau masih akumulasi markdown akan dibawa turun ke 730..sebelum dibawa naik (karena dow/regional mendukung bullish, harga Coal akan dipertimbangkan juga). note : aku tidak punya real time bumi Volume Salam
[obrolan-bandar] 10:10......amati Omset IHSG berapa? T
tolong amati Omset BEIjam begini hampir ijo semua vs hampir merah semua 2 hari laluapa Smart Money cukup punya duit untuk main disemua shamtidak mungkinbumi kebagian smart money berapa,Smart Money itu kerjanya menimbulkan kepanikan dan menggiring domba2 masuk perangkap---volume traee done tidak bisa menipu domba OBer. tolong Cek-Volume dan duit yang masuk ke Bumi(running trade done) berbanding omset BEIbarangkali bisa dapat Clue pikiran Bandar disclaimer : hanya simulasi, jangan trading Scaper pengalaman silahkan Pamit, sampai sesi siang salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple
Iya, Pak...bid/offer bisa kita konsensuskan sebagai sentiment bull vs sentiment Beartapi kalau KZ, ML--hati2, mereka bisa menipu menimbulkan kesan---'pseudo arah pasar---untuk giring ratail trader Frekwensi Pak dE juga penting...untuk tahu velotility atau minat terhadap bumi Salam Cuan --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: Pak Adjies, bagaimana dengan kekuatan BID dan OFFER? Apa VSA memperhitungkan itu juga sebagai upside or downside pressure? Cuma penasaran aja... Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Bapak Tasrul terhormat, BEtul...seharusnya pakai Charttapi aku tidak punya aku sengaja lemparkan thema VSA supaya Bapak ikut memberikan Signal dengan cara Bandar bertrading, yaitu hanya melihat supply vs Demand untuk arahkan harga dan mendapat cuan dari Spread. VSA juga ada Chartnya, seperti TA umumnya-cuma sedikit intensip untuk intrepetasi Volumeapakah Bullish volume...bearish ...selling climate yang akan menuju reversal dstvolume...Ipthrusts etc untuk entry/exit. tolong dibantu pak...Volume tetap memakai TA Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tasrul Tasrul@ wrote: Sekedar saran aja buat Pak Adjie..kalo bicara TA bicara ttg chart jadi tampilin donk chartnya..kita mau juga lihat nih... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adjies2000 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:47 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple Boro2 Tradeguider.realtime BEI tidak punya...cuma intip Yahooterlambat 14menit Aku bukan intraday trader BEI Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Pak Adjies, VSA nya pake software tradeguider yah? datanya ambil dari mana pak? Thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: -IHSG sejak 2 hari terdapat peningkat Volume, meskipun masih dibawah 1 T, disaat kondisi bursa beginidiintrepetasikan bahwa ada smart money masuk BEI - Bumi kemarin turun 30volume EOD berapa ?coba hari inirunning volume kalau sdah melampaui 50% dari EOD kemarin,paling bagus Price closed di Volume dari 50% Volume kemarin Menurut intrepetasi VSA : Arah akan meneruskan arah kemarin Bumi Red Bar(belum muncul Selling climate yang berubah menjadi bull), kalau closed kurang dari 50% volume kemarin(ada tanda2 selling climate untuk reversal--mesti ada spread yang memadaiuntuk Bumi kita tetap kan -30)jadi kalau masih akumulasi markdown akan dibawa turun ke 730..sebelum dibawa naik (karena dow/regional mendukung bullish, harga Coal akan dipertimbangkan juga). note : aku tidak punya real time bumi Volume Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Saham BUMI Saatnya Cut Loss?
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: INILAH.com suruh jual BUMI? Wakakakakakakakak... Di bursa kita yang aneh ini, ternyata kawan cepat sekali berubah jadi lawan. Hahahaha... Regards, Yudizz (ASII maknyus, BUMI makcrot) Semoga kita semua jangan cuma jadi domba.untuk dibantai Mereka kayaknya benar2 lagi akumulasi markdown.ke 700..aku ambil disclaimer : simulasi, bukan untuk trading Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Coba demokan VSA ....TA GENERIC
hahaha, anda sangat cerdas Go, go aheadbawa domba Ober tidak selalu menjadi mangsa Bandar Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote: Mbah.., VSA itu bukan ILMU atau METODA (seperti Elwave, Gann, etc.), tapi NAMA Trading System, isinya ya Volume Analysis.., sebenernya sangat simple dan Mbah sudah sangat AHLI dalam area ini..., Cuma Pak Adjies aja bikin jadi 'seru' dan kelihatan complicated..., it is just a trading TOOLs yg memfokuskan pada VOLUME and PRICE action, Nothing more and nothing less..., variabelnya juga Cuma OHLC+V..., namanya aja sudah VSA (Volume Spread Analysis), yaitu menganalisa pergerakan volume dan SPREAD harga hi-low..., selanjutnya di INTERPRETASIKAN kedalam hukum Supply Demand.., lalu dibikin softwarenya. That's all. Pak Adjies rupanya terlalu semangat sekali thd Trading System yg satu ini, sehingga penjelasannya menjadi begitu heboh... hehehe. Regards, JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 18 Maret 2009 7:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Coba demokan VSA TA GENERIC Embah sih untuk TA mengambil concept sederhana KISS sekuali untuk BA yg merupakah model COMPLEX. Embah sih baca uraian VSA udah males, temasuk mumet untuk ukuran embah, tapi mungkin tidak untuk yg lain. Tapi kalo memang VSA bagus, embah akan coba belajar. Makanya embah lagi nunggu pak Adjies bikin rekomendasi pake VSA. Selama ini yg dibahas merupakan kejadian yg SUDAH terjadi. Semua metoda TA kalo ngomong kejadian udah terjadi selalu NAMPAK HEBAT, tapi kalo memprediksi yg akan terjadi BELUM KELIATAN dimilis. Ingat engga dulu, Candle Stick diagung agungkan ketika ER muncul, sekarang cuman biasa biasa aja. Jadi kalo pak Adjies engga keberatan, tunjukan BUKTI NYATA kehebatan VSA dengan demontrasi, kalo terbukti bisa MEMPREDIKSI yg belum terjadi, VSA baru hebat. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, anru.sing@ wrote: Mantap pak! Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: adjies2000 ad2000@ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:07:40 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kemana IHSG mengarah..? ... TA GENERIC --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Item 6 dibawah yaitu: 6. Faktor BUMI yg lagi mencapai level kritis pada Support downtrend channnel - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.htm Mbah, Kemarin IHSG volume Meningkat(lihat gambah Embahtetapi Harga menembus Trendlinemenarik untuk di pirit. 1. Volume tinggi sering mengecoh bahwa akan membal dari trendline, belum tentu menurut T. william, karena dekat2 trendline harus dicek-apakah bullish volume bearish volume dekat2 Trendline, SM tahu Kaum TA sering pakai Trendline/Pivot ditambah momentum atau Macd untuk predik membal tau tembus--sehingga disini sering terjadi small killing field. 2. Volume tinggi(relativ dibandingkan 1-6 hari sebelumnya)..dekat2 Trendline lagi..disini harus dicek---apa yang terjadi 3. Kayaknya, BD sedang belanja @ wholesale priceciri2 Volume tinggi harga mark down(melawan menularnya dow/regional)...dari bawah..dimulai aiangkat keatas..dibantai--Smart Money itu cuma mencari Spread dari setip Tradebukan Investing, tidak berbeda dengan Tektok-wanbedanya.tektokwan cuma mengandalkan Ilmu-regional ijo---harapkan IHSG iho---harga saham xx TA signal buylihat saham xxx naik---ikut2 belihehehe cara ini sering terkecoh oleh Smartmoney Salam + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 03/16/09 19:01:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote: Kecuali anda dekat dengan bandar, Bagaimana anda bisa mendeteksi gerakan bandar kalau anda ngga pakai chart? Bandar dst tidak pakai Chart.tapi cuma melihat supply vs Demand,,s/R, pivot Trendline..di[pakai untuk CL hunting...tapi Vandar tidak bisa menipu Volume. Positive volume belum tentu bullish volume(per definisi T. wiliam atau VSA) Mbah sudah bicara tentang Buying climate dan selling climate untuk jelasnya silahkan mendalami Tradeguider.pdfaku juga lagi mempelajari, tapi sudah ok dan Live di forex, entah di BEI yang begini tipis omset dan tradiing range terlalu sempit. PS. analisa TA biasa..cuma intrepetasi mau tembus atau mau balik---harus menganalisa Price sprede pada Volume2 tertentu,,juga pada Bar tertentuboleh daily, weekly, Montly-biasa pakai 2 TF untuk Trading strategy, 1 H dan 30M untuk confirm trend entry Terima kasih Salam Volume is part of TA.., VSA is TA, Bullish Volume=Positive Volume dimana volume CAUSE harga bergerak naik.., Bearish Volume=Negative Volume dimana Volume Cause harga bergerak turun..., it's all about technical analysis..., saya sampaikan hal ini karena saya menangkap kesan bahwa amda menganggap VSA merupakan hal lain diluar TA... JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adjies2000 Sent: 18 Maret 2009 9:58 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple Bapak Tasrul terhormat, BEtul...seharusnya pakai Charttapi aku tidak punya aku sengaja lemparkan thema VSA supaya Bapak ikut memberikan Signal dengan cara Bandar bertrading, yaitu hanya melihat supply vs Demand untuk arahkan harga dan mendapat cuan dari Spread. VSA juga ada Chartnya, seperti TA umumnya-cuma sedikit intensip untuk intrepetasi Volumeapakah Bullish volume...bearish ...selling climate yang akan menuju reversal dstvolume...Ipthrusts etc untuk entry/exit. tolong dibantu pak...Volume tetap memakai TA Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tasrul Tasrul@ wrote: Sekedar saran aja buat Pak Adjie..kalo bicara TA bicara ttg chart jadi tampilin donk chartnya..kita mau juga lihat nih... From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of adjies2000 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:47 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: 9:20 Bumi VSA simple Boro2 Tradeguider.realtime BEI tidak punya...cuma intip Yahooterlambat 14menit Aku bukan intraday trader BEI Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Pak Adjies, VSA nya pake software tradeguider yah? datanya ambil dari mana pak? Thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: -IHSG sejak 2 hari terdapat peningkat Volume, meskipun masih dibawah 1 T, disaat kondisi bursa beginidiintrepetasikan bahwa ada smart money masuk BEI - Bumi kemarin turun 30volume EOD berapa ?coba hari inirunning volume kalau sdah melampaui 50% dari EOD kemarin,paling bagus Price closed di Volume dari 50% Volume kemarin Menurut intrepetasi VSA : Arah akan meneruskan arah kemarin Bumi Red Bar(belum muncul Selling climate yang berubah menjadi bull), kalau closed kurang dari 50% volume kemarin(ada tanda2 selling climate untuk reversal--mesti ada spread yang memadaiuntuk Bumi kita tetap kan -30)jadi kalau masih akumulasi markdown akan dibawa turun ke 730..sebelum dibawa naik (karena dow/regional mendukung bullish, harga Coal akan dipertimbangkan juga). note : aku tidak punya real time bumi Volume Salam + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.16/2005 - Release Date: 03/17/09 16:25:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG 10:40
Terima kasih Pakjadi BD sengaja tembusin Trendline Mbah untuk angkut penumpang(akumulasi markdown-baru begini dikit sudah mau heading Nortd. WaduhBumi ku tidak keburu ikut kereta cuantapi minimal tidak nyangkut, masih banyak kesempatan PS. Pak Hans kapan selesai dengan coding VPS di Metastock?kabari Terima kasih --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Angelo Michel angelo_m_i_c_h_...@... wrote: Dropnya IHSG kemari sore ke support channel memang ulah BD juga. Blue Dot mengindikasikan rally masih terus berpeluang terjadi. Commentary ini bukanlah suatu rekomendasi beli atau jual, melainkan suatu petunjuk untuk menginterpretasikan indikator tertentu. Informasi di atas seharusnya digunakan hanya oleh investor yang memahami resiko dalam trading saham. Kami tidak bertanggung jawab atas kerugian apa pun yang disebabkan oleh penggunaan expert ini mau pun isinya. PT Bumianyar Futuria bekerja sama dengan Universal Broker Indonesia menyelenggarakan pelatihan How to Make Money in Bearish Market di Surabaya Bagi rekan2 di Surabaya dan sekitarnya dapat mengikuti paket khusus pelatihan ini: Informasi lengkap dan pendaftaran ke: Shirley Universal Broker Indonesia MEX Building Lt.2 Jl. Pregolan 1 - 5 Surabaya Telp 031 5356508 / 081 391 811 611 email shirley@...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: The Art of Volume Analysis(Part3)/Healthy Trend 3
Hello Pak Kalipatullah, Mau minta bantu untuk buktikan theori VSA-1bar untuk IHSG sbb : Mohon dibantu, karena VSA ini akan membantu strategy Tektok bagi yang berminat. === Study kasus Simple VSA untuk IHSG : IHSG closed at March 16, 2009 Closed @ 13xx (?) Tick volume : ? Red bar, daily Prediksi IHSG tgl 17 Maret 2009 sbb : - Setelah opening, amati volume : 1. Apabila Volume bisa mencapai 50% dari Volume tgl.16 maret dan Price closed di 4H chart(halbday chart), maka dapat dipastikan akan melanjutkan Trend kemarin---RED Bar.(Bearish) 2. Apabila volume sampai 4H Chart Closed masih dibawah 50% dari volume tgl 16 maret, maka arah akan berbalik menjadi Green Bar(reversal/retrachment) PS. Kalau valid, akan dilanjutkan dengan 2 dailyBar dan 7 dailybar untuk prediksi arah IHSG(sajam2 gorengan) mengambil Volume spread untuk entry dan exit Terima kasih salam Sure, I trade using a 15min chart, say for example EUR/USD @1.2340 close Volume: 350 Green Bar What I'm looking see if the next bar can reach half of the tick volume on the previous candle. So half of the tick volume is 175 on EUR/USD @1.2340 close. So if my next candle has enough volume to surpass 175 by a midway point of 7min 30sec which is half the time of a closing bar, chances are it will stay with the current trend. This tells me thier is enough strength on the current bar for a continuation of the trend. If the current candle doesn't reach half the tick volume before the midway point (7min 30 sec) which is half of 15min candle then it doesn't have enough strength to continue the current trend. At that point I usually go opposite of what the current trend is. You can use this on 30min chart then your halway point is 15min on the current bar. On a 1h chart it's 30min is your halfway point etc. With this strategy your following the volume which shows the strength of a current bar. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, orang baru kalipatul...@... wrote: This post originally posted at: http://trend-traders.com/?p=470 Meneruskan posting sebelumnya http://trend-traders.com/?p=439 Gambar 5. Healthy Trends 2 Gambar 5. Healthy Trends 2 L. Setelah terjadi ledakan volume yang cuku kuat pada bagian H, dan I , harga mulai bergerak bergerak naik. M. Selama 10 hari berikutnya, volume bergerak naik diikuti dengan harga yang bergerak naik, dan volume cenderung menurun ketika harga bergerak melambat. Ini merupakan ciri awal bahwa harga sedang bergerak dalam healthy Uptrend. N. High volume yang terjadi pada fase ini menandakan pertempuran antara bearish dan bullish. Pertempuran kali ini dmenangkan oleh sang banteng. Pada fase ini harga mengalami koreksi diikuti oleh turunnya volume, kemudian harga mulai bergerak naik dengan increasing volume secara moderat. O. Pada fase ini terdapat 3 hari red candle (bearish candle), harga bergerak turun diikuti dengan volume yang cenderung menurun dibanding fase sebelumnya, ini merupakan gerakan koreksi dalam uptrend. Pada akhir trend terlihat selama 2 hari terakhir terbentuk kembali doji diikuti denga high volume yang cenderung lebih tinggin dari hari2 sebelumnya. Pada saat tersebut sedang terjadi peperangan kembali antara bull dan bear Note: volume dapat digunakan untuk mengidetntifikasikan trend baru, atau untuk memonitor trend yang sedang terjadi.
[obrolan-bandar] Citigroup, INC udah jadi USD 2.33
Citigroup, INC 2.33 +0.55 (30.90%) Mar 16 - Close Open: 1.96 Mkt Cap:12.76B P/E:- Dividend: 0.01 High: 2.68 52Wk High: 27.35 F P/E: 10.78 Yield: 1.72 - jangan lengah..Obama toxic assets plan(minggu ini)akan membawa saham Citigroups ke USD 5 bahkan USD 10.tetapi saat paranoid pasar dan euforia pasar..menjadi sadar--bahwa the Fed dan Tarp tidak punya duit.dan harus menerbitkan T-Bond atau sejenisnya untuk dijual ke yang punya duit fresh===sayangnya China dan Jepang juga emoh beli dengan alasan suku bunga the Fed sudah mendekati zero, kalau sudah begini apa jadinya ? Dow akan terjun bebas untuk keberapa kalinya ? TP Citigroup-amati current volume dibandingkan sehari sebelumnya, apabila sesi pagi volume masih dibawah EOD kemarin.bahkan Price Closed saat volume cuma 50% hari kemarincepat2 jual. Good Luck Indicator tambahan : lihat muka dan body language Bernacke.berbeban berat pikirannyaalamat the Fed bingun IHSG no comment, ada berita hutang dalam negeri meningkat...kalau di write off dengan cadangan BI sekarang juga.SBJ bicara jujur mengenai kondisi keuangan Pemerintah. Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Trading Successfully Alongside Smart Money
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[obrolan-bandar] Tektok Trader ---Using Volume Spread Analysis
http://www.sfomag.com/homefeaturedetail.asp?ID=363568822MonthNameID=JuneYearID=2006 Rediscover the Lost Art of Chart Reading: Using Volume Spread Analysis by: Todd Krueger There are more than two approaches to analyzing the market. Go beyond fundamentals and T/A. Most traders are aware of the two widely known approaches used to analyze a market, fundamental analysis and technical analysis. Many different methods can be used in each approach, but generally speaking fundamental analysis is concerned with the question of why something in the market will happen, and technical analysis attempts to answer the question of when something will happen. There is, however, a third approach to analyzing a market. It combines the best of both fundamental and technical analysis into a singular approach that answers both questions of why and when simultaneously; this methodology is called volume spread analysis. The focus of this article is to introduce this methodology to the trading community, to outline its history, to define the markets and timeframes it works in, and to describe why it works so well. What is Volume Spread Analysis? Volume spread analysis (VSA) seeks to establish the cause of price movements. The cause is quite simply the imbalance between supply and demand in the market, which is created by the activity of professional operators (smart money).
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Citigroup, INC udah jadi USD 2.33
hehehe, kita harus waspada ini bukan Reversal Dow, pseudo bull pakai VSA untuk tentukan entry dan exit..cespleng pak aku punya tunggu sekitar USD 5=50% TP -Dow akan ke 8000 - 9000 beberapa bulan kedepanjangan keliru, ini cuma Bear Market Rallyfundamental tidak berubah bahkan menciptakan Monster US financial Asset Bear Market rally masih bisa Cuanpakai VSA---seperti yang dipakai Smart Money. Good Luck salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tjetjun asias...@... wrote: citi saya, udah profit 50% dalam seminggu, tapi sayang kemarin kecepatan jualnya. di us 2, wa pikir gak mungkin tembus us 2 secepat itu. terlambat tarik antrian.. kalau saja terjual di us2.6, profit jadi hampir 100%.. nunggu lagi lah. mudah2an ada profit taking berlanjut sehingga bisa beli kembali.. salam dan thks --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Citigroup, INC 2.33 +0.55 (30.90%) Mar 16 - Close Open: 1.96 Mkt Cap:12.76B P/E:- Dividend: 0.01 High: 2.68 52Wk High: 27.35 F P/E: 10.78 Yield: 1.72 - jangan lengah..Obama toxic assets plan(minggu ini)akan membawa saham Citigroups ke USD 5 bahkan USD 10.tetapi saat paranoid pasar dan euforia pasar..menjadi sadar--bahwa the Fed dan Tarp tidak punya duit.dan harus menerbitkan T-Bond atau sejenisnya untuk dijual ke yang punya duit fresh===sayangnya China dan Jepang juga emoh beli dengan alasan suku bunga the Fed sudah mendekati zero, kalau sudah begini apa jadinya ? Dow akan terjun bebas untuk keberapa kalinya ? TP Citigroup-amati current volume dibandingkan sehari sebelumnya, apabila sesi pagi volume masih dibawah EOD kemarin.bahkan Price Closed saat volume cuma 50% hari kemarincepat2 jual. Good Luck Indicator tambahan : lihat muka dan body language Bernacke.berbeban berat pikirannyaalamat the Fed bingun IHSG no comment, ada berita hutang dalam negeri meningkat...kalau di write off dengan cadangan BI sekarang juga.SBJ bicara jujur mengenai kondisi keuangan Pemerintah. Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Bung JT....tolong di cek
Bung JT...tolong di cek baru jam 9:45.saham2 pada turun Tolong di cek volume..apa ada tanda2 Smart Money lagi shopping @ Wholesale price dengan cara Mark down...setalah bikin Retail Investor panik dan memulai Sell-off...sesi siang atau besok lusamemancing dan membawa penumpang BD lainnyauntuk dibawa ke Killing field. Fundamental belum berubahada optimisme Obama toxic asset di dowJones dan merembet ke regional Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Average UP when Higher Low 6 is formed -- VSA, pak Adjies
Mbah, Coba kita belajar dan meng-test VSA sederhana sbb : EOD tgl 16 IHSG H ; L : C : Volume (closed) : ? Red Bar (turun) Kalau sesi pagi (4H chart), Price closed at volume 50% volume tgl. 16, diprediksi IHSG akan BERBALIK ARAH (sELL VOLUME BERKURANG BUYING VOLUME BERTAMBAH(sELLING CLIMATE AKAN MEMBALIKAN tREND rED KE gREEN). --atau Price closed(4H) 50%MAKA DIPREDIKSI ihsg AKAN meneruskan bearish bar kemarin TETAP MERAH DI SESI II. ---INI VERSI vsa SEDERHANABELUM MENYENTUH SPREAD mbah, tlg Saham apa yang menurut teknikal berpeluang naiknanti kita test pakai VSA daily dan VSA hourly untuk entry/exit. Terima kasih SALAM --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: pak Adjies, Gimana menurut VSA ?. IHSG is UP or DOWN ? Embah pengen tahu kesaktian VSA... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Average UP when Higher Low 6 is formed http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsgzz.png - Wave no 6 should be higher than 4 to maintain the trend. - Average Up jika 6 terbentuk
[obrolan-bandar] Analysing Volume near a Trend Line
Analysing Volume near a Trend Line T. Williams A trading range shows the likely projected area of future trading. It will take professional activity, money and effort to change the trend. Effort to penetrate trend lines is usually seen as prices approach the line, not actually on the line. You would normally observe effort to penetrate a trend line in the form of wide spreads up (or down), with increased volume. Chart 24: No effort to penetrate support (chart courtesy of TradeGuider) Master the Markets 63 Study old trend lines and observe when these lines were broken. Note the effort required. Gapping is one way to overcome resistance. The professional money knows exactly where the resistance is. Gapping through these areas is always because of activity by the market-makers or specialists. This effort must always be cost effective. For example, they are unlikely to push up through resistance unless they are bullish. Any sudden activity will always have side benefits, by locking traders in or out of the market, encouraging traders not to sell, and panicking traders on the short side who then cover. Chart 25: Gapping to overcome resistance (chart courtesy of TradeGuider) Trend channels represent resistance: The upper line is a resistance line to higher prices and The bottom line represents resistance to lower prices. If the volume is low as the market moves up to the underside of the trend line, it is not going to go up very far. However, once the trend line is broken on the up-side to become overbought, the same line now becomes potential resistance to lower prices. This is confirmed by the observation of low volume on any subsequent down-bar. Also note that the longer prices stay above the line, the stronger the resistance to a down-move becomes. Once a stock or Index moves up in price and reaches the upper trend line, and high volume appears with a wide spread up-day, you would expect results from the high volume, because there is an obvious effort to go up. That is, you would expect the price to go up and through the upper trend line. If you do not see any results on the high volume by the next day (or bar), then the opposite must be true: The high volume must have contained more selling than buying and will show the trend is still holding at that moment. If the high volume was buying, how can prices come off the next day?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah)
Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bambang Kansah bambangkan...@... wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Dear Mbah Please see ITMG FOREX DERIVATIF GAIN on the Financial Statement. 2009/3/15 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@: For steady and continuous growth: - Compare the same quarter in diffferet year untuk mengeliminasi efek cyclis (lebaran, musim dll) For SPOTTING melemahnya performance emiten: - bandingkan dengan quarter sebelumnya. Kedua duanya punya kegunaan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Itu dibandingkan Q4 vs Q3 2008 Mbah? Kalo gak salah Mbah pernah bilang mengenai hal ini, biasanya kan yg dilihat perbandingan antara quarter yg sama tapi tahun berbeda, mis. Q3 2007 vs Q3 2008, Q4 2007 vs Q4 2008... On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: PTBA vs ITMG comparison http://www.investdata.net/QZ84COA9.TXT Note: - ITMG has postive Q4 growth over Q3, see column 14,15,16
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Smartmoney capital in/out flow idx
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, artomoro9 artomo...@... wrote: Dear obers, mungkin ada yg tau, bagaimana cara mencari tau ada smart money masuk ke bei pada sektor tertentu dan bagaiman grafik capital in/out flow dari bei? Spt yg sering embah sampaikan di sini. Atau kalau embah mau berbagi ilmu dgn kami bgmana cara cari tau nya. Thanks be4. reply ; Inilah pertanyaan smart, terus terang aku agak xxx waktu melihat postingan Mbahbahwa ada Smart-money masuk ke Banking.kalau kita mengacu ke Correlation antara Bumi vs BankingOverlay chart antara bumi vs banking akan menyesatkan. Cara paling mudah adalah : 1. Omset BEI sejak Januari, dipecah menjadi Mining qq Bumi, dan banking qq BBCA dan Bbri.dibuatkan Chart..apakah terdapat negatif correlation seperti juga pasangan EURUSD VS USDCHF yang mendekati 94- 98%.kalau terbukti berkorelasi negatif seperti Overlay Chart...kita boleh berspekulasi.bahwa Smart Money (Existing Bandar) memang bergilir main di 2 sektor itu. 2. Kita jangan terkecoh.antara existing smartmoney(Broker, Reksadana saham, institusi) yang lagi bermain-disalah taksirkan dengan ADA CAPITAL INFLOW KE BANKING-dan akan terjadi Bullish volume, ini belum tentu HARGA akan naik. Karena tujuan existing Bandar(market maker) adalah cari barang murah untuk dijual mahal ataum (membuang Stock dengan harga mahal),thus saat ada proses akumulasi-dijaga supaya volume kecil bahkan kalau besar pun harga dibuat turun atau tidak naik---situasi ini terlihat di beberapa saham, terachir MIRA...El mau masuk...entah volume berapa,,,tapi hanya naik Rp. 10.jika dianalisa memakai VSA.kondisi ini juga disebut oleh T. williams. note : volume/harga KZ agak aneh, tapi dapat dimengerti secara VSA 3. Kalau memang terpantai ada Capital Inflow(fresh Money) ke BEI katakan omset selama 7 hari ber-turun atau lebih adalah 2 T ++, omset 2 T ini kalau dibanding dengan rata2 omset BEI sejak January-terdapat lonjakan(capital inflow) dan kita boleh bilang terdapat Capital Inflow ke BEI--dan kita jangan buru2 untuk Bull...bullish.Fresh Smart Money yang baru masuk BEI tujuanya adalah profit, langkah mereka adalah membeli saham dengan harga murah (Volume UP with Markdown dari retail Investor yang dibuat panik sesuai dengan hukum Herd instint--lalu mulai dinaik(Mark up) untuk mengiring Institusi atau Investor baru --diajak umpan bernama harga naik...sampai di Killing fielddibantai..karena Major Trend masih Bearish, secara fundamental belum ada tanda2 Bottomedini bisa di cek dengan VSA Dow dan VSA IHSG. Mohon maaf kalu keliru dan mohon petunjuk salam ___ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail..promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
[obrolan-bandar] Banker Indicator untuk Dow dan IHSG
Hello Teringat beberapa tahun lalu, menjelang pengucuran kredit, biasanya Dirut atau Direktur Bank akan mengundang Creditor untuk ber-audience. Kreditor tanya ke Banker : Bapak sudah mempelajari Feasibility Study dan analisa forward pasar. Banker : aaah...tidak perlu.itu urusan teknikalyang diperlukan adalah wajah senyum simpul dan sorot mata penuh pd..percaya diri tanpa di buat2. -- Korelasi antara Obama dan DoW, Oboma bisa aja pidato yang men mijat2 batin Wall Street.dan Dow ujuk2 naik 3-4%...hehehe reversal..terlalu pagi --Credit Default Swap minilai 54 T USD lima kali lebih besar dari kapitalisasi NYSG --Student loan, Car load---belum punya data --Credit card default(akan bertambah gila dengan NPF yang akan heading 10$+) ditaksir sekarang sudah 5 T = 50% dari kapitalisasi pasar Wall Street. --Option Default, baik Stock Option maupun forex option-entah berapa, Soros kuatir dengan forex vanila option, begitu juga buffet kuatir dengan CDS --Bond market default + T-Bond default-entah berapa ---saniering USD menjadi Amero ---Hillary ke Beijing bicara minta tolong untuk tetap beli T-Bond US untuk membiayai Stimulus dan defisit Obama ---PM Wen kuatir dengan investasi di US T-bond --Coba lihat wajah Obama dari masa kampanye dan baru 2 bulan+ jadi Presidenuban bertambah begitu cepat dan muka menjadi tua dalam 2 bulan menjadi Presiden--- inilah Indicator DowJones IHSG ? Lihat muka SBJ...nertilah Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: TATA JUAL KPC-ARUTMIN KE BUMI ?
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: $ 1,2 Billion berarti sama dengan nilai total saham BUMI yang direpokan. Hmm, something strange here... Regards, Yudizz Pak Yudizz, Anda smart sekali, tidak termakan International rekayasa pembukuan utang dibalik menjadi piutang (Kwik Kian Gie membongkar kongromerate busuk) untuk meng -gelembungkan asset--- supaya harga saham naik dipicu xx, repo, M A, CA corporate-hitam--tidak jauh dari itu Sama dengan CDS...Penerbit CDS-putih seharusnya punya counterparty yang real fresh money...tetapi Lehman Brother menerbitkan CDS tanpa counterparty(toxic assets)--aneh bin ajaib,,,bisa laku dipasar dan diborong Europe banking...begitu juga dengan AIG, disuntik hampir USD 175 billion...masih belum kelihatan dasar bolongnya..The Fed terpaksa suntuk AIG...karena Europe banking banyak pegang CDS AIG..kalau Europe juga collape...hehehe Dow ke 5000 bukan dongeng. salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vic victor_sperandeo@ wrote: $ 1,2 milyar. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, D Hendarman freaker2001@ wrote: Tata gak pernah beli BUMI, mereka thn 2007 beli 25% saham KPC dari BUMI. Berapa nilai transaksinya bisa check dari LK BUMI 2007, download dari website BEI. Cheers. -Original Message- From: Prima Soerjono prima_soerjono@ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:22:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: _bumi@ Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TATA JUAL KPC-ARUTMIN KE BUMI ? Masih ingat tidak..dulu Tata beli BUMI di hrg berapa ya? --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Bumi T t_bumi@ wrote: From: Bumi T t_bumi@ Subject: [obrolan-bandar] TATA JUAL KPC-ARUTMIN KE BUMI ? To: obrolan bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:41 PM Edisi 14-Maret-2009, halaman 4-5 http://kontan. realviewusa. com/ Berbagi video sambil chatting dengan teman di Messenger. Sekarang bisa dengan Yahoo! Messenger baru.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: China: Hey Amrik, Kalo Banyak Utang Lo Jangan Belagu, Ya!
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Iman widgetena...@... wrote: opini yang bagus. bagaimana menurut anda dgn EUR? mata uang euro belakangan ini secara konsisten terus menguat. fundamental ekonomi eropa juga tidak lebih buruk dari amerika. mereka juga tidak terjebak utang yang separah amerika. apa ada kemungkinan dunia ini switch dari USD ke EUR? salam, iman Hello Jangan lupa, penopang EURO adalah Jerman, ekonomi Jerman sangat bergantung dari import commo dan Export barang modal seperti JepangZaman Model ekonomi seperti Jerman dan Jepang sudah mulai pudar.Diabad ke 21.hanya negara2 yang mempunyai commo, penduduk yang besar artinya pasar, punya basis industry yang berpeluang menjadi negara kaya seperti Indonesia,buktinya diundang menjadi anggota G20. Lihat G20.yang sulit adalah bagaimana meng-konversi Off-shore USD T-Bond kedalam Suatu Instrument pengganti USD yang dipakai sebagai jangkar perdagangan International pengganti USD, dalam proses ini terdapat bahaya besar...Seluruh dunia ikut menanggung dan membayar kebangkrutan amrik, dan Obama sudah bilang : Donk;t leave us, atau Perang penjarahan seperti zaman VOC bisa terjadi...buktinya Irak. NOte : Hedge Fund juga bingung untuk mengamankan Nilai asset2nya, buang Stock beli Oil, buang Oil beli gold, buang gold beli commo=jual commo beli USD dan Yen,,,karena NIlai USD de facto sudah Overvalue.tinggal lihat achir 2009/kalau USD sudah kembali ke fitrahnya--- yaitu kurs matauang itu harus tunduk kepada fundamental ekonomi..nah disini akan terjadi KrisMon Global jilid II, hehehe,1 USD dikonversi menjadi 0.6 Amero, CBS gaya Amrik Salam Pagi, jangan lupa, Amerika itu dibentuk dengan semangat primitif hukum rimba. menjarah tanah bangsa Indian dan Etnic cleasing bangsa Indian. Jadi Perbudakan Dunia di abad ke 21 bukan mustahil meskipun sangat kecil kemungkinan. .angkatan perang US masih paling kuat diduniaUSA tidak perlu kemplang utang...cuma perlu sedikit esek2 untuk merekayasa nilai mata uang US dan asset US untuk dijadikan Junk-Bond.habislah Petro dollar, habislah dompet Jepang/China/Petro dollar. ...semangat penjarah US dicerminkan dengan Invasi ke Irakmungkin Iranmungkin Korut..mungkin dengan China(insiden Kapal pengintai di P. Hainan)..semuanya direkayana dan di eskalasi menjadi Konflik politik disambung Perang besar---ini Scenario Militer US untuk mendapatkan duit dari Perang demi membantu memulihkan perekonomian US. Ekonomi US boleh hancur2an...tetapi seluruh dunia seperti makan narkoba tetap Long USD sebagai risk Aversion satu2nya(belum ada jalan alternatif).USD Index tetap kuat.hehehekalau USD didevaluasi.kere dah seluruh dunia. note : Sejak Bretton Wood II, USD tidak lagi dijamin cadangan Gold the Fed.Mau cetak USDmoggo mas.dunia sudah masuk Ponzi Scheme USA Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Devaluasi USD sudah terjadi diam2 achir 2009......50% nilai USD menguap
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, re...@... funky81.tra...@... wrote: Efek riil dari devaluasi usd apa Pak? Apakah cukup berpengaruh ke perekonomian indonesia? Terutama yg ada kaitannya dengan pembayaran utang indonesia? Terima Kasih reply : Entahlah..Budiono dan Ani seharusnya menjawab dengan jujur.SBJ sudah menjawab xtetapi dijawab diplomatis oleh ani, bahwa SBJ salah kutip.., Utang USD tetap akan dibayar dengan USD, kalau USD dikonversi menjadi Amero dan direkayana Overvalue 1 USD = 0.6 amero, artinya Indonesia nggak ada ujan nggak ada anginhutang nya men dadak hampir 2 kali lipat, Mafia Barkeley harus belajar kepada saudara peerguruan di Lehman Brother dan The Fed, menerbitkan CBS-abal2an untuk bayar hutanghehehe, belajar kepada the Fed..Sampah Amero langsung dikapalkan ke China untuk membayar hutang denominasi USD.tidak perlu takut tidak bisa dapat utang luar negeriwong pasar utang international sudah mati. Note : cicilan hutang luar negeri Indonesia bisa dipakai sebagai APBN dan Stimulus, tidak perlu ngemis standby buyer ala Samurai Bond, Salam Sent from TradingBerry® sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: adjies2000 ad2...@... Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:09:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Devaluasi USD sudah terjadi diam2 achir 2009..50% nilai USD menguap and which this new Amero will be exchanged for $400 Billion of this debt as the current American currency is set to be devalued by 50 percent before the end of the year. = --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: October 1, 2008 U.S. Ships 800 Billion AMEROS to China; prepares to De-Monetize U.S. Dollar The US Secretary of the Treasury has informed the China Development Bank that the US has shipped $800 Billion of a new currency called the Amero, which is to be based upon the merging of the economies of The United States, Mexico and Canada into what is termed as The North American Union. The current American debt obligation to China, currently based on the US Dollar, is now estimated to be the staggering sum of $2.5 Trillion, and which this new Amero will be exchanged for $400 Billion of this debt as the current American currency is set to be devalued by 50 percent before the end of the year. Virtually unknown to the American people is that their current leader of the US Department of Treasury, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., has been tasked by President Bush to lead the efforts to join the economies of the US, Canada and Mexico and is also the head of the North American Development Bank, the bi-national financial institution established by the United States and Mexico to further the merging of their economies, and the leader of the Border Environment Cooperation Commission (BECC), the organization created by the governments of the United States and Mexico to further the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). This is important to note as the final provisions of the NAFTA Agreement were implemented on January 1, 2008, leaving only the final merging of the economies of the US, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union to be accomplished, of which we can read: President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy. Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada. President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed. It is also interesting to note that American economists have been warning about the replacing of the US Dollar with the Amero, due to pressure from China, for nearly two years, and as we can read in this December, 2006 report titled Analysts: Dollar collapse would result in 'amero', and which says: As WND reported earlier this week, in an unusual move, the Bush administration is sending virtually the entire economic A-team to visit China for a strategic economic dialogue in Beijing Thursday and Friday. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are leading the delegation, along with five other cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez. Also in the delegation
[obrolan-bandar] Superhero Buffet vs. Economic Kryptonite
Superhero Buffet vs. Economic Kryptonite by Jack Crooks Dear Subscriber, I can't help but lead with this Bloomberg.com headline ... even though it has little to do with me or currencies: Buffett's Berkshire Has AAA Debt Rating Cut by Fitch You mean to tell me the Oracle of Omaha, the Investor Extraordinaire, didn't have the market savvy to change tack and drive his precious Berkshire to tighten up their exposure and shore-up their risky investments? It seems the financial world can't go a day without finding this chosen one's name saturating the media. And his company now loses its triple-A rating? I believe the phrase is: Man, oh man. I mean, I'm not surprised that Berkshire is undergoing challenges during such tough times. But based on the superhero status the investment crowd has bestowed upon Warren Buffet, you'd think he'd be able to at least pull his own company from the jaws of misery. Nope. Even investment icon Warren Buffett is having a tough time coping with the turbulent stock market. It's A Whole New Ball Game To be partially fair, this investing environment is eluding some of the most tuned-in stock market participants. It's almost become a full-time job trying to predict the buying opportunity of a lifetime in the stock market. It's not a game of here's what company looks good; it's a game of here's what company is going to look good, we hope. Forget the fact that headlines are highlighting the potential that GM and Citigroup become delisted from the Dow because of dismal share performance. Sure, shares of many companies are trading at fractions of the prices they fetched a year ago. But you want to know what? Five dollars per share can be halved just as easily as fifty dollars per share. In other words, be careful. Or shake things up and get your money in currencies. If you've got time and the funds, then buying stocks at current levels may be fine, assuming you don't get stuck in shares that cease to exist in three months. But if you need to be proactive with your money, then struggling to time the bottom in stocks probably isn't the approach you should be taking. Not when currency instruments are offering all kinds of opportunities in the meantime. Just as the shifting sands of the global economy have shaken up equity markets, they're influencing currencies, too.
[obrolan-bandar] How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market
Web Video Conference 6:00 p.m., March 25, 2009 You're Invited. . . In just the last four weeks, our readers made 9%, 5%, 8%, 9.3%, 10% and 9.6% gains even as the broader markets collapsed. And there's plenty more where that came from, and we'll show you can pull consistent reliable profits from the stock market... TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts presents a FREE Video Investment Conference How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market I'll Show You How to LOCK IN GAINS...and Avoid Losses no matter which way the market heads Join Us on March 25, 2009 6:00 P.M. Eastern (with FREE on-demand viewing for investors in other time zones) Click this link for more. You CAN profit from ALL of the stock market's moves. Join us as we teach you How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market How to Spot a Bottom -- You'll nail upside trades when you can pinpoint short-term bottoms. How to Spot a Top -- Not only will you take profits at the right time, you'll know EXACTLY when to enter fast-moving downside trades. Choosing which asset to trade -- Stocks might appear to move in random ways, but for every market move, there's a perfect asset to trade. We'll show you how to uncover what's moving the market, and what the best trade vehicle is. Getting long -- Market order? Buy stop? How you enter a trade can make or break your profits. We'll discuss the optimal ways to enter a long trade to maximize your gains. Going Short -- Short a stock? Or buy short ETF? Discover the optimal downside trade for specific market conditions. Taking Profits -- Should you set a stop loss? Or sell out with a limit sell order? Or maybe scaling out is the way to go? How you exit a trade can impact your profits just as much as how you enter. We'll give you the keys to profitable exist Sign up here to attend the investment conference on March 25. Bear Markets are a Swing Trader's DREAM! And TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts is your Rosetta Stone for reading the market and uncovering consistent profits.. You don't have to be a full time trader to pull consistent profits from the stock market...and you don't to be glued to your computer all day to accurately read where stocks are headed... All you need to stay a step ahead of other investors are three simple indicators The best part is, you don't need any expensive software to turn these three indicators into your own personal profit stream. They're available RIGHT NOW, for free On March 25th, we'll show you everything you need to know to pull consistent, reliable profits from the stock market. Join us for How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market. Use this link to get started. If you're ready for strategies that will keep you on the winning side of the market, no matter which way it heads, then join us for the TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts video investment conference How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market. Click this link to get on the pre-registration list for the March 25th event. No worries - It's free. Space for this landmark investment event is limited. Registration opens to the public soon, so reserve your spot for How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market today and start profiting!
[obrolan-bandar] US T-Bond sedang menuju Junk bond ???
http://cetak.kompas.com/read/xml/2009/03/15/04465611/g-20.optimistis.bisa.bersepakat Sementara itu, PM China Wen Jiabao mengatakan, dana-dana investasi di AS senilai 1 triliun dollar AS berada dalam ancaman. Investasi China dalam bentuk surat-surat berharga, antara lain terbitan Departemen Keuangan AS, berisiko merugi. Namun, Presiden Obama dan Summers memberi jawaban bahwa kini sudah mulai muncul optimisme soal perekonomian. REUTERS/AP/AFP/MON)
[obrolan-bandar] Re: China: Hey Amrik, Kalo Banyak Utang Lo Jangan Belagu, Ya!
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Boys n Girls boysngi...@... wrote: Amero masih rumor kan ?? Koq dari postingnya sudah seperti kenyataan ? Bukan rumor Pak, China dibayar pakai Amero, Oktober 2009 silahkan google : Amero Amero itu memang sudah di program tahun 2006an sebagai mata uang tungga negara Napta, tujuan semula untuk menyatukan mata uang USD, CAD Peso Mexico.seperti Euro Bulan Sept. 2008 Bush mau me ratifikasitertunda.Oktober 2008 terjadi Free fall saham seluruh dunia, dipimpim Dow Jones. Siapa korban Amero ? - rakyat Amerika, karena USD di saniering (di gunting nilainya) via Amero (Purchasing Parity Power dari Amero tidak akan jauh berbeda dengan USD, jadi rakyat amrik jadi kere juga), di Indonesia sudah sering terjaditahun 1998/99--1 USD = Rp. 2400 menjadi Rp. 9000 (Sept. 2008).sekarang sudah Rp. 12.000,-Purchacing Parity Power menjadi lemahartinya IDR dipotong sekitar 30%sedangkan Gaji tidak bisa disesuaikan dengan PPPsebaliknya Penganguran massal diprediksi akan meledak sekitar Mai- June 2009(Departemen Tenaga kerja (Metro TV - Text) - Negara2/corporate/pemegang Euro $. Asia $, Petro $ yang berinvestasi US Asset, Note ; Rakyat Indonesia tidak perlu takut,,karena orang bule sekali Lunch Junk Food minimal USD 15 setara dengan Rp. 200.000, kita cukup makan ketoprak rp. 2500, Supir Taxi Bule di NY gajinya minimal USD 40.000/tahun, supir taxi Jakarta gajinya tidak lebih dari Rp. 5 juta./bulan (USD 6000/pa)=ini untuk pekerjaan yang kwalifikasi dan keachlian sederajatSupir Taxi Bule dibayar kelewat mahal---pantas kalau krisis meluluthusIndonesia dan perut Indonesia lebih murah untuk dipelihara dan dipulihkan. Maka US banking sudah mulai merekrut Executive orang Asing yang mau dibayar murah dan bekerja di US..kongress US mencak2 pengaguran bertambah terus. Salam 2009/3/15 adjies2000 ad2...@... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Iman widgetenator@ wrote: opini yang bagus. bagaimana menurut anda dgn EUR? mata uang euro belakangan ini secara konsisten terus menguat. fundamental ekonomi eropa juga tidak lebih buruk dari amerika. mereka juga tidak terjebak utang yang separah amerika. apa ada kemungkinan dunia ini switch dari USD ke EUR? salam, iman Hello Jangan lupa, penopang EURO adalah Jerman, ekonomi Jerman sangat bergantung dari import commo dan Export barang modal seperti JepangZaman Model ekonomi seperti Jerman dan Jepang sudah mulai pudar.Diabad ke 21.hanya negara2 yang mempunyai commo, penduduk yang besar artinya pasar, punya basis industry yang berpeluang menjadi negara kaya seperti Indonesia,buktinya diundang menjadi anggota G20. Lihat G20.yang sulit adalah bagaimana meng-konversi Off-shore USD T-Bond kedalam Suatu Instrument pengganti USD yang dipakai sebagai jangkar perdagangan International pengganti USD, dalam proses ini terdapat bahaya besar...Seluruh dunia ikut menanggung dan membayar kebangkrutan amrik, dan Obama sudah bilang : Donk;t leave us, atau Perang penjarahan seperti zaman VOC bisa terjadi...buktinya Irak. NOte : Hedge Fund juga bingung untuk mengamankan Nilai asset2nya, buang Stock beli Oil, buang Oil beli gold, buang gold beli commo=jual commo beli USD dan Yen,,,karena NIlai USD de facto sudah Overvalue.tinggal lihat achir 2009/kalau USD sudah kembali ke fitrahnya--- yaitu kurs matauang itu harus tunduk kepada fundamental ekonomi..nah disini akan terjadi KrisMon Global jilid II, hehehe,1 USD dikonversi menjadi 0.6 Amero, CBS gaya Amrik Salam Pagi, jangan lupa, Amerika itu dibentuk dengan semangat primitif hukum rimba. menjarah tanah bangsa Indian dan Etnic cleasing bangsa Indian. Jadi Perbudakan Dunia di abad ke 21 bukan mustahil meskipun sangat kecil kemungkinan. .angkatan perang US masih paling kuat diduniaUSA tidak perlu kemplang utang...cuma perlu sedikit esek2 untuk merekayasa nilai mata uang US dan asset US untuk dijadikan Junk-Bond.habislah Petro dollar, habislah dompet Jepang/China/Petro dollar. ...semangat penjarah US dicerminkan dengan Invasi ke Irakmungkin Iranmungkin Korut..mungkin dengan China(insiden Kapal pengintai di P. Hainan)..semuanya direkayana dan di eskalasi menjadi Konflik politik disambung Perang besar---ini Scenario Militer US untuk mendapatkan duit dari Perang demi membantu memulihkan perekonomian US. Ekonomi US boleh hancur2an...tetapi seluruh dunia seperti makan narkoba tetap Long USD sebagai risk Aversion satu2nya(belum ada jalan alternatif).USD Index tetap kuat.hehehekalau USD didevaluasi.kere dah seluruh dunia
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Fact or Fiction?(Ratu Sima)
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, RATU SIMA ratus...@... wrote: Jadi rally x ini dipicu 'kejar setoran' sampe option expiry date doang. Abis tuw, kembali ke selera asal. Cape dey. Yaa namanya short bear market rally mang gituuw... Aimee Aimee, Stock Option yang Expired March 20, 2009-apakah Bandar Option masih punya power tanpa viagra untuk short atau Long Dow Jones ? Apa kabar forex Vannila option achir tahun 2009Short USD ? Euro Vanilla Option pada pegang apa ? Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Kemana IHSG mengarah..?
Mbak Nabila, no offense, sebelumnya mohon maaf kalau tulisan dibawah kurang berkenan dihati Community OB, IHSG tidak bisa di komandoi dengan rasa harapan optimisme, optimisme---tetapi harus dengan Bull Volume setiap hari, dah HOLD meskipun Dow terjun ke 700-hayo, siapa yang kuat duitnya ? Masalahnya, Investor maupun Trader==harus menerima The Fact, bahwa telah nyngkut parah dan barangkali dekat bangkrut, sudah pasti ada keinginan dalam jiwa untuk kedatangan the Saviors yaitu---angin surga bullbullish.ini dapat dipahami dan manusiawi. tetapi suasana hati ini jangan berubah menjadi patologi kejiwaansemua posting NON Bull Messenger-dijadikan musuh. ===Di Forex berlaku hukum besi : Cut your LOSS now, never never expect floating Loss become winnning trade.(ini menyakitkan kantong tetapi menyehatkan jiwa) ===bahwa iklim global belum mendukung reversal untuk bullishini adalah kenyataan pahit yang kita hadapiiklim global akan bertambah memburuk kalau kita mau ikuti berita dari USA, secara psikologi kita cenderung menjadi Don Quisot(Burung Onta yang memasukan kepala kedalam pasir) yang bilangjangan baca koran, jangan melihat analisa ini itu-hanya Optimis, optimis, buy, buy, buy. nah kalau terjadi nyngkut ke dua kalinya-siapa yang rugi ? Harga saham itu berjalan seperti gelombang dan jangan tertipu riak gelombang kecil , kalau ada sedikit riak retrachment jangan buru2 dianggap reversal, nanti kecele terjebak pseudo Bull-atau Bear Volume dengan harga naik tetapi volume menurun, atau Bandar Option lagi ngejar target Option expired date(Ratu Sima). Mohon maaf kalau terjadi ketidak nyaman, kita semua korban Nyngkuter mengharapkan PuLIH atau IHSG Bullish Trending---jangan sampai terjadi IHSG ke 1550 lalu terjun bebas ke 700, ini namanya Nyngkuter II. Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Nabila nabilag...@... wrote: Setelah 2 minggu berlalu sejak tulisan saya terakhir di OB, izinkan saya menyampaikan sedikit evaluasi terhadap perkembangan terakhir di Bursa Saham kita, dikaitkan dengan pertarungan dua kubu: utara-selatan. Pada awal minggu pertama (2 Mar 09), tiba-tiba indeks regional 'asia pasific' anjlok luar biasa (-4%) dan seperti biasanya Lieutenant Aimee langsung mencoba memanfaatkan situasi dengan operasi cakrawibawa (saya tidak mengerti mengapa menggunakan jorgan yang agak berbau PKI dan pemberontakan G30S?). Akan tetapi IHSG ternyata tidak bereaksi berlebihan. Bahkan setelah DOW dan Eropa ikut terkoreksi tajam setelahnya, IHSG hanya terkoreksi sedikit saja, lebih seperti partisipan yang ogah-ogahan. Apakah tanda-tanda sedang terjadi proses decoupling? Akan tetapi minggu pertama ini memang sedikit mendebarkan, pasar AS dan Eropa bertumbangan, menyebabkan Mbah sibuk mengusir lalat-lalat muda dan Jendral Artomoro memilih bertahan di bunker. Eleine sungguh luar biasa kali ini, lewat yel singkat my turn, perlawanan dari kubu utara segera terjadi dan dalam waktu singkat situasi berbalik. Kubu selatan terpaksa gigit jari kali ini, apalagi ketika Mbah dengan yel-yel the show must go on dan wave 5 is running dan jendral Artomoro mulai memimpin serangan udara dibantu armada barat, maka pertempuran kali ini jelas dimenangkan oleh kubu utara. Ironinya, dalam pernyataannya kemudian, Ratu Sima mengakui sedang mengambil ancang-ancang untuk posisi long (duh, bagaimana dengan nasib operasi cakrabirawa? apakah hanya sebatas psi-war?). Tidak hanya di BEI rupanya, pada minggu kedua bahkan pasar modal seluruh dunia melakukan serangan balik dan belum lagi berhenti sampai akhir pekan ini. Apakah ini pengaruh dari himbauan Presiden Obama bahwa saat ini merupakan saat yang tepat bagi investor untuk kembali berinvestasi di bursa saham? Apakah bursa saham AS dan Eropa sudah menyentuh dasarnya sehingga investor mulai pasang ember? Atau kenaikan ini hanya sebatas technical rebound? Pertempuran jangka pendek ini jelas dimenangkan oleh kubu utara. Bagaimana dengan jangka menengah-panjang? Kita kembalikan saja kepada pernyataan Mbah sebelumnya: The WAR has many BATTLE in it. Winning the BATTLE does not mean you win the WAR. Pertarungan belum lagi selesai dan masa depan masih menjadi misteri. Hanya saja, kini kita i punya batasan-batasan yang lebih jelas sebagai tolok ukur jangka menengah untuk melihat indikasi kearah mana sebenarnya IHSG mengarah. Eleine menjanjikan kenaikan +300 poin sampai Juni 2009 (Next target for IDX, +3xx pts, June 2009), sementara kubu selatan menjanjikan IHSG 1000 pada kuwartal-2 2009. Agar adil, kita berikan target naik-turun yang sama (300 poin) kepada kedua kubu, dihitung mulai dari harga (close) tanggal 4 Mar 2009 (ketika Elaine menyampaikan target mid-termnya). Berarti target IHSG kubu utara adalah 1589 dan kubu selatan adalah 989 yang akan dicapai pada bulan Juni 2009. Target mid-term ini sudah akan memberikan
[obrolan-bandar] Re: How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market
Pak AA , INI bukan promosi Kalau mau---boleh ikut cuap2---mungkin ada gunanyamumpung gratis salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, \::Pak_AA:\: abdul.rahman.ra...@... wrote: Dari kalimat pertama sampai kalimat terakhir, promosi aja terus. 3 Indikator yang dimaksud apa? On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: Web Video Conference 6:00 p.m., March 25, 2009 You're Invited. . . In just the last four weeks, our readers made 9%, 5%, 8%, 9.3%, 10% and 9.6% gains even as the broader markets collapsed. And there's plenty more where that came from, and we'll show you can pull consistent reliable profits from the stock market... TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts presents a FREE Video Investment Conference How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market I'll Show You How to LOCK IN GAINS...and Avoid Losses no matter which way the market heads Join Us on March 25, 2009 6:00 P.M. Eastern (with FREE on-demand viewing for investors in other time zones) Click this link for more. You CAN profit from ALL of the stock market's moves. Join us as we teach you How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market How to Spot a Bottom -- You'll nail upside trades when you can pinpoint short-term bottoms. How to Spot a Top -- Not only will you take profits at the right time, you'll know EXACTLY when to enter fast-moving downside trades. Choosing which asset to trade -- Stocks might appear to move in random ways, but for every market move, there's a perfect asset to trade. We'll show you how to uncover what's moving the market, and what the best trade vehicle is. Getting long -- Market order? Buy stop? How you enter a trade can make or break your profits. We'll discuss the optimal ways to enter a long trade to maximize your gains. Going Short -- Short a stock? Or buy short ETF? Discover the optimal downside trade for specific market conditions. Taking Profits -- Should you set a stop loss? Or sell out with a limit sell order? Or maybe scaling out is the way to go? How you exit a trade can impact your profits just as much as how you enter. We'll give you the keys to profitable exist Sign up here to attend the investment conference on March 25. Bear Markets are a Swing Trader's DREAM! And TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts is your Rosetta Stone for reading the market and uncovering consistent profits.. You don't have to be a full time trader to pull consistent profits from the stock market...and you don't to be glued to your computer all day to accurately read where stocks are headed... All you need to stay a step ahead of other investors are three simple indicators The best part is, you don't need any expensive software to turn these three indicators into your own personal profit stream. They're available RIGHT NOW, for free On March 25th, we'll show you everything you need to know to pull consistent, reliable profits from the stock market. Join us for How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market. Use this link to get started. If you're ready for strategies that will keep you on the winning side of the market, no matter which way it heads, then join us for the TradeMaster Daily Stock Alerts video investment conference How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market. Click this link to get on the pre-registration list for the March 25th event. No worries - It's free. Space for this landmark investment event is limited. Registration opens to the public soon, so reserve your spot for How to Swing Trade for Profits in a Bear Market today and start profiting!
[obrolan-bandar] VERY SOON.....are we ALL Madoff Clients????
alstry's CAPS Blog Get alstry's RSS text feed. VERY SOON.are we ALL Madoff Clients March 13, 2009 Comments (5) Bernie Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme. The assets and values on the statements he sent to clients were illusory, but perceived to be real by those that received them. The checks kept coming until money stopped flowing into his firm. His clients slept like babies at night thinking they had millions, tens of millions, and hundreds of millions of dollars working with the man that paid like clockwork...until the clock stopped one morning..and their lives turned upside down. If you think about itare most Americans really in a very different position than Bernie Madoff's clients??? The vast majority of assets making up the wealth in America is DEBT Yes debt. Municipal Bonds, Corporate Bonds, Mortgage Securities, Securitized Credit Card portfolios, Securitized Auto Loans, and trillions and trillions worth of deritives based on that debt. If you put it in perspective, the total value of the stock market is likely $10 Trillion dollars, but the total value of debt exceeds $50 trillionand much more if you factor derivitives. The vast majority of assets in banks, pensions funds, and many retirement plans is debt. As long as the money keeps flowing in, the debt is serviced and everyone is happy.just like Bernie Madoff's clients. Not only that, much of value of equity is a derivitive of debtlike the value of houses and many corporations (with lots of debt on their balance sheet). If the debt is impaired, many companys' equity is WORTHLESS. At the end of the day, even currency is DEBT. If you look at a dollar, it is a Federal Reserve NOTE..a DEBT instrument. DEBT IS MONEY. It spends just like money because it is money. DEBT should be counted as part of the money supply just like deposits. If you think about, just about everything we value is either debt or derived from debt in some way or another. All is good if the debt is being serviced. Just like all of Bernie's clients, we are happy as long as we get our checks every month and we are told that our value is holdinbut if the music stops... Here is the PROBLEM: Fewer and fewer people, families, businesses, and state and local governments can afford to continue to service their debt. DEBT is DEFAULTING at an accellerating rate causing the value of the majority of the assets in America to IMPLODE Real Estate is the most visible to all of us...but so is the value of the debt itself.and for us CAPs players...equity values are priced derivitively to the value of debt...but sometimes our statements show a much higher value than reality would normally dictate. If you think about it.the vast majority of American's wealth is centered in Real Estate, Business Equity, and Debt holdings.and our savings is backed by DEBT. AS DEBT GOES.so does the value of just about everything in AMERICA.. As stated in an earlier blogdebt was often serviced by borrowing more money creating even more DEBT adding to the asset base of the nation..and then our wise bankers levered up 10X, 20X, and 30X to expand debt even more and to keep servicing the existing debt while giving themselves HUGE bonuses...this was hyperinflation of DEBT During this period we all looked at our statements and everyone was happy is it kept getting bigger and bigger every month as TMF and others were screaming BUY BUY BUY and chastising Alstry saying he was too Doom and Gloom and his blog offered little investment value. You think Alstry felt a bit like Markopolous when he tried to warn the SEC about Madoff and was rebuffed? Well we are just waking up right now. Jon Stewert did a pretty good job getting the ball rolling..and my what a long ways to roll it has Things are not stabilizingthey are getting worseA LOT WORSE!! as more and more debt continues to default destroying value in BANKS, PENSION FUNDS, RETIREMENT PLANS, HOUSING, and STOCK EQUITY we will become more acutely aware just like Mr. Madoff's clients. If you think you are OK because you have savings..don't forget to look at that money.IT IS DEBT..and if few are paying taxes.what do you think the government is going to be able to exhange it for..more debt How much will that debt be worth?? Remember, the day before the Madoff scandel broke out..his clients perceived they were RICH!!! The day after they were broke. Look at your own net worth.how much of it is based directly or indirectly on DEBT...and if debt is defaulting at an accellerating rate..in the end.will any of us really be in a much different position than Bernie Madoff's clients?? And for those of you that think we can inflate our way out of it.that is just creating more debt..isn't that what got us here
[obrolan-bandar] The Rally..............because there's no real improvement
Sell-offs appear to clearly be buying opportunities (like when the Dow dropped to 6,440), but any upside is immediately suspect because there's no real improvement to the fundamental picture. Market bottoms can be difficult events to get a handle on. Bullish and bearish sentiment is in equilibrium. As individual investors, we might feel that things aren't getting any worse, but they aren't getting better, either. Sell-offs appear to clearly be buying opportunities (like when the Dow dropped to 6,440), but any upside is immediately suspect because there's no real improvement to the fundamental picture. It's important to remember that the markets are constantly in flux. Even when things look calm, tension is building below the surface that will propel stocks in one direction or another. Consider the underlying events during this week's rally *We know the bearish story for stocks pretty well by now. But when Citigroup (NYSE:C) came out and said things were going well for it, a number of assumptions changed. The most basic: Citigroup may not be headed for bankruptcy. Honestly, I thought Citigroup was going to declare bankruptcy. Or at the very least, have a fire sale of any assets that could fetch a bid. So Citigroup forced investors to re-value the bank. And if Citigroup is worth more, then others, such as Bank of America (NYSE:BAC), must be worth more, too. Don't think for a minute that bank CEOs aren't aware of how the news cycle affects their stock price. If rumors can start a bank run, they can certainly inflate a stock price. BAC's Ken Lewis has been praising the TARP program over the last few days. Banking is saved and he's eager to give all the money back ASAP. Many other banks are falling in line, saying they don't need more money and will give back what they have. Even GM (NYSE:GM) came out and said they don't think they need more money. *Of course, as I expressed in Wednesday's Daily Profit, I am skeptical that we are getting the whole story from the banks. But even so, I can accept that the lending environment has improved and that banks now have adequate capitalization to take on a bit more lending risk. But will an incremental improvement in lending have a positive effect on the 8.1%unemployment rate? Will it impact the foreclosure rate? Will it help clear housing inventory? Will it help retail sales? I think the answer is not really, at least not in the immediate future. *It's nice to know that stocks can move higher. And higher stock prices can help improve consumer sentiment, which can lead to increased spending. But a rally that doesn't include assets fundamental to real economic growth, like oil and steel, isn't a recovery rally. It's a relief rally. And that is destined to be temporary. We'll be discussing these issues in more detail, with charts and specific investment opportunities in an upcoming TradeMaster video conference that will air on March 25. Here's a registration LINK if you'd like to sit in. In the meantime, I will continue to do my best to keep us on top of what's driving the stock market day to day here in Daily Profit. Best regards, Ian Wyatt
[obrolan-bandar] IDR ?............ Puncak Jatuh Tempo Utang
Puncak Jatuh Tempo Utang Hingga Tahun 2045 Tak Akan Lunas Sabtu, 14 Maret 2009 | 03:46 WIB Jakarta, Kompas - Beban puncak pembayaran utang yang jatuh tempo, dan harus dilunasi pemerintah, terjadi tahun ini. Nilai utang luar negeri dan surat berharga negara, atau SBN, yang jatuh tempo mencapai Rp 112,19 triliun. Ini harus dilunasi agar Indonesia tidak digolongkan negara gagal bayar. Menurut Direktur Jenderal Pengelolaan Utang Departemen Keuangan Rahmat Waluyanto, pembayaran utang yang jatuh tempo sudah diatur melalui mekanisme APBN. Untuk pembayaran bunga utang ditutup oleh anggaran belanja bunga, yang mengambil dana dari pendapatan negara. Sementara pelunasan pokok utang ditutup dari pinjaman luar negeri baru atau penerbitan SBN, ujarnya di Jakarta, Jumat (13/3). Data Direktorat Jenderal Pengelolaan Utang menunjukkan, dari total pinjaman pemerintah yang jatuh tempo 2009, sebesar Rp 73,28 triliun di antaranya adalah pinjaman luar negeri. Adapun utang yang jatuh tempo dari SBN senilai Rp 38,91 triliun. Pelunasan utang luar negeri tahun ini merupakan beban tertinggi dibanding pembayaran tahun-tahun mendatang. Secara keseluruhan, beban pembayaran utang yang jatuh tempo tahun ini merupakan yang tertinggi, setidaknya untuk 23 tahun mendatang.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: China: Hey Amrik, Kalo Banyak Utang Lo Jangan Belagu, Ya!
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Cumi Cabe Ijo cumie...@... wrote: Sang Naga telah bersabda, masihkah US akan cetak duit seenaknya? === Pagi, jangan lupa, Amerika itu dibentuk dengan semangat primitif hukum rimba. menjarah tanah bangsa Indian dan Etnic cleasing bangsa Indian. Jadi Perbudakan Dunia di abad ke 21 bukan mustahil meskipun sangat kecil kemungkinan. .angkatan perang US masih paling kuat diduniaUSA tidak perlu kemplang utang...cuma perlu sedikit esek2 untuk merekayasa nilai mata uang US dan asset US untuk dijadikan Junk-Bond.habislah Petro dollar, habislah dompet Jepang/China/Petro dollar. ...semangat penjarah US dicerminkan dengan Invasi ke Irakmungkin Iranmungkin Korut..mungkin dengan China(insiden Kapal pengintai di P. Hainan)..semuanya direkayana dan di eskalasi menjadi Konflik politik disambung Perang besar---ini Scenario Militer US untuk mendapatkan duit dari Perang demi membantu memulihkan perekonomian US. Ekonomi US boleh hancur2an...tetapi seluruh dunia seperti makan narkoba tetap Long USD sebagai risk Aversion satu2nya(belum ada jalan alternatif).USD Index tetap kuat.hehehekalau USD didevaluasi.kere dah seluruh dunia. note : Sejak Bretton Wood II, USD tidak lagi dijamin cadangan Gold the Fed.Mau cetak USDmoggo mas.dunia sudah masuk Ponzi Scheme USA Salam China expresses worry over its U.S. assets 02:22 PM EDT By Jason Subler BEIJING (Reuters) - Premier Wen Jiabao held out the prospect of extra stimulus spending if needed to hit China's 8 percent growth goal this year and called on Washington to ease worries Beijing has about the safety of its vast U.S. assets. http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/p.rdt/CTOP/ntopNews_uUSTRE52C0JF20090313 -- WARNING: Cumi-cumi mengandung 1,170mg kolesterol per 10 gr, sedangkan daging ayam tanpa kulit hanya 50mg saja.
[obrolan-bandar] CDS = No Problem?
CDS = No Problem? March 13, 2009 Comments (0) | RELATED TICKERS: AIG I learned something new today about Credit Default Swaps, and I almost swallowed my gum. I was listening to an interview with the author of an article (the formula that destroyed wall street, or something like that). He said that CDS were not that big of a problem (I thought: oh, yeah? Can you say $63T?). He then said that when you issue (sell) a CDS, you also buy offsetting CDS', sort of like a margin account. That was the lightening bolt: you mean to tell me that all those tens of trillions of CDS's are backed up by assets (OK, here is where we get into that leverage debate: for every $1 of CDS, how many basis points of backing assets are you going to carry?). He then went on to say that AIG was unique in that it sold a wheelbarrow full of CDS', but did NOT buy offsetting securities, so that when LEH went belly-up, it did not have backing assets, and needed backstop $$$ from Uncle Sam. He also said that CDS were a zero sum game, in that what the issuer loses, the buyer gains (this was less convincing, since in the absence of a bankruptcy, the gains and losses are like stocks, since value can simply disappear in normal trading).
[obrolan-bandar] Obama to China - Don't Leave Me
Obama to China - Don't Leave Me #9642; Obama Seeks to Reassure China U.S. Debt Safe, Deficits Are Under Control (Link) The Obama administration sought to ease Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao's concern about the security of his country's investments in U.S. government debt, reiterating pledges to cut the budget deficit in half in four years. There's no safer investment in the world than in the United States, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today. Wen earlier said that China, the U.S. government's largest creditor, is worried about its holdings of Treasuries and wants assurances that the investment is safe. I request the U.S. to maintain its good credit, to honor its promises and to guarantee the safety of China's assets, he said at a press briefing in Beijing. #9658; Anomalee: I just wrote about this yesterday linking to articles about China's concern over it's held U.S. assets. Of course the White House was quick to respond through the press saying exactly what they want to hear. I'm sure the personal phone calls probably went something like this...
[obrolan-bandar] The upcoming US Treasury default on T-BONDS will it happen?
The upcoming US Treasury default on T-BONDS will it happen? March 13, 2009 Comments (0) | RELATED TICKERS: GG Answer this now, When the USA defaults on its treasury, Do you think China will look away , like the foolish american citizen that thinks the Fed is on there side, or will they want compensation by way of collateral damage. ie US federal reserve bank New York, New York. The Fed is already sending the Chinese the Amero to pay down debt and pegged it at .6 US dollars to the Amero this seems odd because the Amero is a new North American currency and its first use was to pay China http://www.dailypaul.com/node/65843 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chinas-premier-worries-abou.. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f94/u-s-official-chinese-test-mi.. http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0903/02chinastation/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6276543.stm http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4218443.. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/23/asia/23missile.php http://www.newsmax.com/smith/china_missile_base/2008/05/2.. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/spy-a03.shtml Who know's, the results may include a huge sell off of Us treasury sending interest rates to 20% and Gold to $2000 just like in the early 1980's we will see, All in all do not hope for a housing rebound yet.
[obrolan-bandar] New currency the Amero untuk bayar hutang ke China, Uncle Sam bangkrut?
October 1, 2008 U.S. Ships 800 Billion AMEROS to China; prepares to De-Monetize U.S. Dollar The US Secretary of the Treasury has informed the China Development Bank that the US has shipped $800 Billion of a new currency called the Amero, which is to be based upon the merging of the economies of The United States, Mexico and Canada into what is termed as The North American Union. The current American debt obligation to China, currently based on the US Dollar, is now estimated to be the staggering sum of $2.5 Trillion, and which this new Amero will be exchanged for $400 Billion of this debt as the current American currency is set to be devalued by 50 percent before the end of the year. Virtually unknown to the American people is that their current leader of the US Department of Treasury, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., has been tasked by President Bush to lead the efforts to join the economies of the US, Canada and Mexico and is also the head of the North American Development Bank, the bi-national financial institution established by the United States and Mexico to further the merging of their economies, and the leader of the Border Environment Cooperation Commission (BECC), the organization created by the governments of the United States and Mexico to further the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). This is important to note as the final provisions of the NAFTA Agreement were implemented on January 1, 2008, leaving only the final merging of the economies of the US, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union to be accomplished, of which we can read: President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy. Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada. President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed. It is also interesting to note that American economists have been warning about the replacing of the US Dollar with the Amero, due to pressure from China, for nearly two years, and as we can read in this December, 2006 report titled Analysts: Dollar collapse would result in 'amero', and which says: As WND reported earlier this week, in an unusual move, the Bush administration is sending virtually the entire economic A-team to visit China for a strategic economic dialogue in Beijing Thursday and Friday. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are leading the delegation, along with five other cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez. Also in the delegation will be Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt, Energy Secretary Sam Bodman, and U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab. But Chapman doubts the trip will help the Fed to engineer a slow dollar slide. The Chinese are going to do what the Chinese want to do, not what we want them to do, he said. I believe the Chinese are going to send Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke home packing, with little or nothing to show for the trip. How severe will the coming dollar collapse be? People in the U.S. are going to be hit hard, Chapman warned. In the severe recession we are entering now, Bush will argue that we have to form a North American Union to compete with the Euro. Creating the amero, Chapman explained, will be presented to the American public as the administration's solution for dollar recovery. In the process of creating the amero, the Bush administration just abandons the dollar. The prophetic warnings of these American economists are, indeed, coming to pass as during the month of September alone, 10 years worth of gains on US stock markets have been wiped out in their entirety and bank runs are now occurring in the United States for the first time since the days of the Great Depression leading to the failure of 13 banks, some of their largest, and the imminent failure of 117 more forecasted by the US government. US Treasury Secretary Paulson, however, continues leading the charge attempting to force upon the American people the `final peg' to their own demise by completely bankrupting the United States leaving no other choice but to completely discard the almost totally worthless US Dollar and its replacement with the Amero. It goes without saying that the American people will greatly resist the replacement of their Dollar, but this cannot be said when tens of millions of them are
[obrolan-bandar] Devaluasi USD sudah terjadi diam2 achir 2009......50% nilai USD menguap
and which this new Amero will be exchanged for $400 Billion of this debt as the current American currency is set to be devalued by 50 percent before the end of the year. = --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: October 1, 2008 U.S. Ships 800 Billion AMEROS to China; prepares to De-Monetize U.S. Dollar The US Secretary of the Treasury has informed the China Development Bank that the US has shipped $800 Billion of a new currency called the Amero, which is to be based upon the merging of the economies of The United States, Mexico and Canada into what is termed as The North American Union. The current American debt obligation to China, currently based on the US Dollar, is now estimated to be the staggering sum of $2.5 Trillion, and which this new Amero will be exchanged for $400 Billion of this debt as the current American currency is set to be devalued by 50 percent before the end of the year. Virtually unknown to the American people is that their current leader of the US Department of Treasury, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., has been tasked by President Bush to lead the efforts to join the economies of the US, Canada and Mexico and is also the head of the North American Development Bank, the bi-national financial institution established by the United States and Mexico to further the merging of their economies, and the leader of the Border Environment Cooperation Commission (BECC), the organization created by the governments of the United States and Mexico to further the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). This is important to note as the final provisions of the NAFTA Agreement were implemented on January 1, 2008, leaving only the final merging of the economies of the US, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union to be accomplished, of which we can read: President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy. Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada. President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed. It is also interesting to note that American economists have been warning about the replacing of the US Dollar with the Amero, due to pressure from China, for nearly two years, and as we can read in this December, 2006 report titled Analysts: Dollar collapse would result in 'amero', and which says: As WND reported earlier this week, in an unusual move, the Bush administration is sending virtually the entire economic A-team to visit China for a strategic economic dialogue in Beijing Thursday and Friday. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are leading the delegation, along with five other cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez. Also in the delegation will be Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt, Energy Secretary Sam Bodman, and U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab. But Chapman doubts the trip will help the Fed to engineer a slow dollar slide. The Chinese are going to do what the Chinese want to do, not what we want them to do, he said. I believe the Chinese are going to send Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke home packing, with little or nothing to show for the trip. How severe will the coming dollar collapse be? People in the U.S. are going to be hit hard, Chapman warned. In the severe recession we are entering now, Bush will argue that we have to form a North American Union to compete with the Euro. Creating the amero, Chapman explained, will be presented to the American public as the administration's solution for dollar recovery. In the process of creating the amero, the Bush administration just abandons the dollar. The prophetic warnings of these American economists are, indeed, coming to pass as during the month of September alone, 10 years worth of gains on US stock markets have been wiped out in their entirety and bank runs are now occurring in the United States for the first time since the days of the Great Depression leading to the failure of 13 banks, some of their largest, and the imminent failure of 117 more forecasted by the US government. US Treasury Secretary Paulson, however, continues leading the charge attempting
[obrolan-bandar] Banks, GE push Wall Street up for a third day
In the short term it is encouraging, but we've seen this before, said Ryan Detrick, technical analyst at Schaeffer's Investment Research. We are still so oversold, we are due for something like this. === Banks, GE push Wall Street up for a third day Kejal Vyas | March 13, 2009 Article from: Dow Jones Newswires US stocks rose for the third straight day and the Dow Jones Industrial Average at one point added more than 250 points as comments from Bank of America's chief executive and gains in General Electric helped prop up the market. Banks push Wall St up for a third day Picture: AFP The blue-chip index jumped 239.66 points, or 3.5 per cent, to 7170.06, marking its first three-day advancing streak since the three days that ended January 28. The index has gained 9.5 per cent in last three sessions, its best three-day performance on a percentage basis since November 25. Market watchers embraced the recent gains but remain cautious on the sustainability of the trend owing to continuing uncertainty about the economy and credit markets. Analysts characterised the move as a continued rebound, building on Tuesday's rally, driven by chart-based, or technical, orders. In the short term it is encouraging, but we've seen this before, said Ryan Detrick, technical analyst at Schaeffer's Investment Research. We are still so oversold, we are due for something like this. Investors flowed into bank stocks as Bank of America. CEO Ken Lewis said the bank will not need further federal government capital and that it will post a profit in 2009. He also said banks have pretty good capital levels and are not in as dire shape as some believe. Shares of the company ended the session up US92c, or 19 per cent, to $US5.85. Shares of Citigroup rose US13c, or 8.4 per cent, to $US1.67 while JPMorgan Chase was up $US2.80, or 14 per cent, to $US23.20. Both banks have said they were profitable in January and February. But while the bank executives are optimistic, some analysts remain sceptical, noting they will look easing of the credit markets and for upcoming quarterly financial reports before calling a turnaround for the beleagured institutions. The Standard Poor's 500 index rallied 29.38 points, or 4.1 per cent, to 750.74. The Nasdaq Composite tacked on 54.46 points, or 4 per cent, to 1426.10. Meanwhile, Standard Poor's downgraded General Electric's credit rating one notch. The company said the downgrade shouldn't significantly affect its operations or its funding, sending shares up $US1.08, or 13 per cent, to $US9.57. Seeing investors come into GE stock may seem like a good sign, but that may just be a move into companies that have been oversold in recent weeks, said David Klaskin, chief investment officer with Oak Ridge Investments in Chicago. Mr Klaskin said he is waiting for more improvement in the credit markets before he sees a sustained upward trend. In a sign that caution over GE's finance unit lingers, the cost of protecting GE Capital debt remained in distressed territory. The only way we stabilise is if we see that improve, Mr Klaskin said. Mixed economic data showing a less-than-expected drop in retail sales and a rise in claims for unemployment benefits to a level last seen in October 1982 were mostly muted. The health-care sector also paced gains. Pfizer said it ceased trials of its new drug Sutent early after the cancer treatment showed significant benefit in patients with pancreatic tumours. Shares of the pharmaceutical giant jumped $US1.23, or 9.6 per cent, to $US14.02. In what was a good day for drug stocks, Celgene added $US4.93, or 12 per cent, to $US47.16 and Merck climbed $US2.09, or 9.5 per cent, to $US24.03. The Health Care Select Sector SPDR Fund, often used as a proxy for the sector, rose $US1.09, or 4.9 per cent, to $US23.35. Stocks in the sector have taken a beating in recent weeks as investors fear how new White House-backed policies may weigh on earnings power. General Motors was also among the top performers of the session, rising US32c, or 17 per cent, to $US2.18 after the Detroit automaker, which had said it needed $US2 billion to avoid running out of cash by the end of March, said it can survive for now without the loan. American depositary shares of Belgium supermarket operator Delhaize surged $US7.20, or 12.6 per cent, to $US64.29 fourth-quarter net income was greater than expected, boosted by the strong dollar and its robust private-label products. The company said it continues to see operating profit growth in 2009. Weighing on the industrials space, Pall slid $US3.86, or 17 per cent, to $US18.82 as fiscal second-quarter net income fell 19 per cent on deteriorating market conditions. The filtration and water-purification products maker said it would no longer issue specific sales and earnings guidance. Energy names enjoyed an 11 per cent up day for crude oil
[obrolan-bandar] Okay, It's a Rally: But How Large and How Long?
Okay, It's a Rally: But How Large and How Long? Sentiment matches the financial environment -- no one has seen anything like it By Robert Folsom Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:15:00 ETEmail | Print | RSS Feeds Generated by Elliott Wave International RSS | My Updates Bookmark and share It! When the major U.S. equity markets lose some 55% of their value in a span of 17 months, even as prospects for the economy turn just as alarming if not worse, it is no surprise to see investor sentiment reach negative extremes. And, in fact, two of the most closely watched measures of sentiment have very recently shown readings that do indeed match the current financial environment -- which is to say, nobody has seen anything like it before. Yet if historic levels of negative sentiment are no surprise, here's what should be even less surprising: The stock market will mount an authentic rally. As for why this is no surprise, the short answer is quite simple: Everyone who wants to sell has done so. At least for the time being. Do the point gains in this week's market suggest a rally of the authentic kind? Well, several measureable and anecdotal indicators suggest strong skepticism about whether the rally can last, which increases the likelihood that it will. The more important question is, how large and for how long? The Short Term Update has been calculating an answer to this question since late last month. Here's an except from the February 27 commentary: The lessening in the intensity of selling pressure is occurring with some measures of market optimism virtually nonexistent This exceedingly low level of optimism marks a record extreme dating back to April 1987, when the data series started. What stood out...today was the spike in NYSE volume, which data came in at 2.24 billion shares traded. The increase may signal the start of some type of capitulation phase, whereby share prices fall hard into a ... bottom. That same STU also said, Let's discuss when this low might occur -- and that discussion continued right into the most recent STU (March 11), complete with charts, specific price targets, and a detailed look at the Elliott Wave pattern and relevant technical indicators.
[obrolan-bandar] Probabilitas depressi ekonomi meningkat
Kompas cetak, 13 maret 2009
[obrolan-bandar] Ancaman krisis finansial asia
Hello Trader, Bukan pencinta Bear...semua mengharapkan Bull IHSG ke 2000+.sama2 nyangkut juga.tetapi kita harus realistis dengan Overshooting dipasar yang bingung.reversal---belum aah. technical retrachment-iya, dipacu HERD behavior di stock market,dan akan terjun bebas saat melihat The Fact is, - Kompas cetak, 13 maret 2009, hal.33 'di Indonesia, dampak krisis mulai menampaknya wajahnya.memburuknya kenerja perbankan.. yang harus diwaspadai adalah Korsel...utang jangka pendek194 milyard usd akan jatuh tempo tahun ini.'domino theory 26 February Financial Times mengingatkan...kemungkinan Korsel gagal bayar dan kesulitan roll-over heheheSBJ sampai sakit lambung memikirkan... Salam
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Okay, It's a Rally: But How Large and How Long?
Setuju, bung Amran. Tetapi di pasar yang sepi seperti kemarindibawah 1 T.hati2 sebelum puncak ORGANmus sudah lembek dan tidak keburu keluar pasar... pasar dengan trading range sempit dan volume kecil...tidak mudah menjadi copet pasar.. salam Profit === --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan darioamran1...@... wrote: sorry to Mr Robert Folsom, we're trader not investor (not yet)..1-2 hari boleh dong dimanfaatkan bargain hunting and cuan.. Dario Amran --- Pada Jum, 13/3/09, adjies2000 ad2...@... menulis: Dari: adjies2000 ad2...@... Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Okay, It's a Rally: But How Large and How Long? Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Jumat, 13 Maret, 2009, 7:23 AM Okay, It's a Rally: But How Large and How Long? Sentiment matches the financial environment -- no one has seen anything like it By Robert Folsom Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:15:00 ET Email | Print | RSS Feeds Generated by Elliott Wave International RSS | My Updates Bookmark and share It! When the major U.S. equity markets lose some 55% of their value in a span of 17 months, even as prospects for the economy turn just as alarming if not worse, it is no surprise to see investor sentiment reach negative extremes. And, in fact, two of the most closely watched measures of sentiment have very recently shown readings that do indeed match the current financial environment -- which is to say, nobody has seen anything like it before. Yet if historic levels of negative sentiment are no surprise, here's what should be even less surprising: The stock market will mount an authentic rally. As for why this is no surprise, the short answer is quite simple: Everyone who wants to sell has done so. At least for the time being. Do the point gains in this week's market suggest a rally of the authentic kind? Well, several measureable and anecdotal indicators suggest strong skepticism about whether the rally can last, which increases the likelihood that it will. The more important question is, how large and for how long? The Short Term Update has been calculating an answer to this question since late last month. Here's an except from the February 27 commentary: The lessening in the intensity of selling pressure is occurring with some measures of market optimism virtually nonexistent. ... This exceedingly low level of optimism marks a record extreme dating back to April 1987, when the data series started. What stood out...today was the spike in NYSE volume, which data came in at 2.24 billion shares traded. The increase may signal the start of some type of capitulation phase, whereby share prices fall hard into a ... bottom. That same STU also said, Let's discuss when this low might occur -- and that discussion continued right into the most recent STU (March 11), complete with charts, specific price targets, and a detailed look at the Elliott Wave pattern and relevant technical indicators. Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! http://id.yahoo.com/
[obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dengan audit mkbd Broker.......koK dggak ada kabarnya.
Beberapa bulan lalu diberitakan...ada 48 Broker sedang di audit...hanya 2 yang memenuhi sisa 46 bagaimana../ Hello Trader.resiko Broker jangan dilupakanuntuk apa copat=copet...kalau achirnyadi TELAN HIDUP2. SALAM tRADER + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Di mana posisi Indonesia ?
Kompas cetak, 13 Maret 2009, hal 34 Resiko terhentinya arus modal secara mendadak Indonesia : Neraca transaksi berjalan ; -6.049...pantesan Mbak Ani pontang panting nerbitkan MTN, Swap, Samurai bond etc Salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [forumsarijaya] 80 hari kerja, hitung mundur nasib dana kita sebelum SP tutup
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Mayor_trend brnie...@... wrote: Sementara taruh dulu saham di broker plat merah dengan mkbd besar,nasabah pantas bersikap parno dengan cash ditarik disetor lebih sering. maklumlah kalo bisnis dengan mafia = Terima kasih, Sisa saham nyngkut senilai Lexus SUV pagi ini dipindah ke Platmerah. Note ; Kontan Mingguan ada ulasan mengenai...Broker x yang sudah , hampir semua Broker menerima titipan Deposito antara 'PD 12 - 18%hehehehe Salam
[obrolan-bandar] This Recession Is Gonna Make Me Rich (Again)
http://www.fool.com/investing/small-cap/2009/03/10/this-recession-is-gonna-make-me-rich-again.aspx?source=iedsitmrc001 This Recession Is Gonna Make Me Rich (Again) By Rich Smith March 10, 2009 | Comments (3) Recs 31 Investors today face a dilemma. With the Dow down more than 50% from its peak, top investors like Chuck Acre, Whitney Tilson, and Warren Buffett keep reminding us that stocks are cheap. On the other hand, every day, newspapers report another round of layoffs, and bleak headlines leave us all wondering how low stocks can go. So if you think today's an utterly lousy time to invest, well, I certainly can't blame you. That said ... Do you remember the Internet bubble? I sure do. When the Great Bubble burst in 2000, I saw my portfolio fall directly into the commode -- down 40% in the space of a few months
[obrolan-bandar] So far in this bear market, stocks have been unable to sustain rallies for long.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123672732852288611.html In a sign of broad-based buying, composite trading volume on the New York Stock Exchange surpassed eight billion shares for the first time since Feb. 27. The SP 500 Index gained 6.37%, closing at 719.60. So far in this bear market, stocks have been unable to sustain rallies for long. The four biggest one-day gains in the past year came in October and November -- including an 11% surge on Oct. 13 -- and each time the market eventually resumed its descent. Tuesday's was the fifth-highest percentage gain in the past 12 months.
[obrolan-bandar] 5th Wave vs Operasional bank Mulai Merugi
Kompas, 12 Maret 2009, halaman depan Dampak Krisis ; Operational Bank mulai merugi per January 2009
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 5th Wave vs Operasional bank Mulai Merugi
Hello, Umumnya kalau mau beli Banking disamping review FA, juga review on-going Operating profit(Main business), (Kontan memberitakan kerugian Operasi diprediksi akan berlangsung sampai pertengahan 2009, ini terjadi saat Income dari penyaluran kresit seret $ kerugian derivatives cenderung meningkat, bayangkan !). Silahkan untuk Trading Indonesian Banking, tetapi banyak BD tidak minat masuk pasar kemarin meskipun Dow/regional positip, mereka juga kuatir melihat masalah banking yang terus merugi secara operational/ salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan darioamran1...@... wrote: perlu dicermati lagi sih sebenarnya, tapi saya gak punya data detailnya..operasional merugi tapi pendapatannya bertambah..kalau logika sederhana artinya wajar yg penting pendapatan meningkat dan nantinya bisa menutup rugi operasional..khawatir kalau operasioanal rugi sekaligus pendapatan menurun baru deh kabur dulu..CAR perbankan awal tahun 2009 meningkat/menguat 17,6%, tahun 2008 sekitar 16,2% ini dikarenakan tidak ada penyaluran kredit karena antisipasi krisis, makanya kemaren2 bankers males nurunin rate pinjaman. Gerakan saham banking per kemaren kaya mbah bilang smart money come in... Dario Amran --- Pada Kam, 12/3/09, adjies2000 ad2...@... menulis: Dari: adjies2000 ad2...@... Topik: [obrolan-bandar] 5th Wave vs Operasional bank Mulai Merugi Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Maret, 2009, 7:11 AM Kompas, 12 Maret 2009, halaman depan Dampak Krisis ; Operational Bank mulai merugi per January 2009 Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messenger. Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang! http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[obrolan-bandar] SBJ : The Goverment is broked
DPR menyesalkan pernyataan SBJ ini. Mulyani :-h, mungkin Salah mengutip ADa komentar ?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: SBJ : The Goverment is broked
Ini thema sensitip, tanpa melihat MetroTV 9.30-10 pagi, tidak berani sembarangan posting. Pagi ini dibahas di MetroTV, dilayangkan cupikan pidato SBJ, Mulyani anggota DPR dan wawancara dengan Drajat Wibowo. Pertanyaan ; 1. Berapa hutang pemerintah ? 2, Berapa hutang Swasta ? 3. Kalau fundamental ekonomi kuat, megapa IDR loyo terus / Kayaknya SBH jujur.tidak menutupi kenyataan pahit. Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaysta...@... wrote: The Government is broke? Masa sih pak? Ada kutipannya? Saya blm baca... Not a wise thing to say to the public. 2009/3/12 adjies2000 ad2...@... DPR menyesalkan pernyataan SBJ ini. Mulyani :-h, mungkin Salah mengutip ADa komentar ?
[obrolan-bandar] As the board lot is made up of 1 share the minimum quantity is 1 share.
http://www.poems.com.sg/FinancialMarket/ustrading.asp?value=us There is no minimum bid size. Prices submitted are subject to a maximum of 2 decimal places for NASDAQ, AMEX and NYSE shares. As the board lot is made up of 1 share the minimum quantity is 1 share. = US Our system participates in the trading of NYSE/AMEX/NASDAQ listed stocks during exchange trading hours. We do not participate in the US pre-open and pre-close trading sessions. The US price feed reflected in our POEMS System may include trades done during off-market trading as well as trades from other US exchanges. As such, the opening, high, low and last done prices for US stocks in our system may include trades that are not executed on NYSE/ AMEX/ NASDAQ. What are the US markets that I may trade in? You may choose to trade shares listed in American Stock Exchange (AMEX), NASDAQ or New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). How can I place my US trades? You can choose to place orders for your US trades online with POEMS or by calling our US Night Dealing Desk. May I place my US orders with POEMS at anytime of the day? You may place orders with POEMS for 24 hours, except during the period between 4.00am - 4.15am ** (Refer to Daylight Savings note). Orders placed after 4.15am will be placed on queue on a first come first serve basis for the next trading day. ** Daylight Savings time starts second Sunday of March and ends first Sunday of November. Therefore, non-submission of orders are 4:00am to 4:15am (March to Nov) and 5:00am to 5:15am (Nov to March). How can I check the status of my orders if I place my orders with POEMS? After submission of orders, you may proceed to [Order Status] to check if the orders are on queue, done, or rejected. All orders will be issued with an order number for easy tracking. You are required to check on the orders status for any possible trade correction before market opens on the next trading day. Can I withdraw my orders? You may withdraw any orders under processing if you had placed your trading orders with POEMS. Alternatively, you may contact our US Night Dealing Desk (ph: 6535 1144) for assistance. What is the validity period for my orders? All orders submitted are only valid for one trading day. Orders not done will be cancelled at the end of each trading day. Can I perform contra trades for US stocks? Yes, contra trading is allowed for US trading. Is odd lot trading available in the respective US Markets? Yes, odd lot trading is available. The minimum quantity to be submitted is at least 1 share What is the minimum bid size and quantity for trading? There is no minimum bid size. Prices submitted are subject to a maximum of 2 decimal places for NASDAQ, AMEX and NYSE shares. As the board lot is made up of 1 share the minimum quantity is 1 share. What are the types of order available for US trading? All orders submitted are limit orders (ie. Orders can be executed at a price which will be the same as or better than the order price) Will I be able to 'Amalgamate' my US Trades? You cannot amalgamate your US trades. What is the trading hours for the US Markets? US trading hours is between 9:30pm and 4:00am (Singapore Time) US markets will be closed on holidays. Please check Non-Trading Day. Note: Where a holiday falls on a Saturday, AMEX / NYSE / NASDAQ will not operate on the proceeding Friday. Where a holiday falls on a Sunday, AMEX / NYSE / NASDAQ will not operate on the succeeding Monday. How will I know how much my US trading limit is set at? You can check your trading limit through the Internet, Intranet or calling your Dealing Representative. How can I increase my Trading Limit? You may request an increase in trading limit by calling your Dealing Representative. May I trade US Shares that I purchased through other securities firm? Yes, you may. However, you are required to transfer your share holdings to Phillip Securities Pte Ltd before you can commence to trade through POEMS. What are the procedures to do Share Transfer? Step 1: You have to give instructions to that securities firm to transfer the shares to Phillip Securities Pte Ltd. The letter should clearly state: Name of Security to be transferred Quantity of shares to be transferred If it is a securities firm based in Singapore, you need to instruct them to liaise with Foreign Shares Transfer department at Tel: 65311732 or email: foreignshares...@phillip.com.sg for further details If it is a securities firm based in the US, you must provide custodian details which can be obtained from Foreign Shares Transfer department Step 2: You have to provide Phillip Securities with corresponding instructions to receive the shares. Instructions has to clearly state: Name of Security transferred Quantity of shares transferred If it is a securities firm based in
[obrolan-bandar] Citigroups ))+38.10%)
Citigroups 1.45 +0.40 (38.10%) Mar 10 - Close Open: 1.24Mkt Cap:7.94B P/E:- Dividend: 0.01 MYSE melonggarkan peraturan Delisting bagi Stock yang jatuh dibawah USD 1, di NYSE terdapat sekitar 60 + sajam dibawah Usd 1. Alerts : Pundit memo menyatakan Citigroup 'Profit untuk Jan-Feb 2009, profit ini dapat dipastikan cuma Operating profit, kalau di write-down pasti LOSS besar. Regards.
[obrolan-bandar] World Bank became the first major institution to officially predict that the
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[obrolan-bandar] IHSG hari ini : +30++
Kemarin sejak London session beredar kabar, bajwa ihsg akan terbang hari ini sekitar +30plus, setelah melihat Dow semalam--rumor ini bisa menjadi kenyataan. Warning ; Rally in deep Bearish, jangan tertawa terlalu awal, bisa nyangkut lagi Good Luck Regards.
Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Citigroups ))+38.10%)
Dow Rally +6% kemarin malam bukan ada perbaikan FAcuma Bear-trap atau Euphoria yang dipicu oleh dokter jiwa Mr.Bernarke yang memberikan 'harapan kepada Stock market bahwa diachir tahun economy US akan mulai pulih. aku long Citirisk reward ratio : hilang $ 1.xx(hangus) tapi reward minimal USD 10.(saat US banking mulai pulih) good luck regards. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan darioamran1...@... wrote: Mungkin ada yang paham FA citigroup..karena profit dia hanya 2 bulan pertama 2009...status bad debt gimana, interest2 yg harus dibayar citigroup seperti apa saat ini, secara keuangan memang mirp perbankan kita dulu tahun 98 dengan adanya obligasi rekap, tapi sebenarnya uangnya itu khan punya pemerintah yg di bailout...anyway naik 38% memang guede banget untuk ukuran sehari, ini yg naik saham citi yg induk apa citi-w ya hahaha... Is this the end of banking crisis ?? Dario Amran --- Pada Rab, 11/3/09, Hendra Santosa sa...@... menulis: Dari: Hendra Santosa sa...@... Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Citigroups ))+38.10%) Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Rabu, 11 Maret, 2009, 5:36 AM pak tbum kok citinya nda jadi bangkrut pak? hehehe :) sejak kira2 sebulan citi berani iklan big UNSECURED loan dengan rate separuh lender yang lain dan capacity 2x penawaran lender lain, kelihatan aneh kok citi bisa punya cash banyak sekali ... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Citigroups 1.45 +0.40 (38.10%) Mar 10 - Close Open: 1.24Mkt Cap:7.94B P/E:- Dividend: 0.01 MYSE melonggarkan peraturan Delisting bagi Stock yang jatuh dibawah USD 1, di NYSE terdapat sekitar 60 + sajam dibawah Usd 1. Alerts : Pundit memo menyatakan Citigroup 'Profit untuk Jan-Feb 2009, profit ini dapat dipastikan cuma Operating profit, kalau di write-down pasti LOSS besar. Regards. Apakah wajar artis ikut Pemilu? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! Answers. http://id.answers.yahoo.com
[obrolan-bandar] Resiko beli Citigroup
The share market rally also came despite of a bitter warning from respected banks analyst Meredith Whitney, who predicted that the US credit card market is on track to be the next focus of the credit crunch, with US banks likely to rein in half of the $5 trillion credit lines currently available to credit card customers by the end of 2010. - Student Loan - Auto Loan di Indonesia sami mawon - kartu kredit default - motor/mobil kredit default - condo kredit default - Saudagar-Penguasa default salam
[obrolan-bandar] Re: US Brokerage
Untuk Individual atau Company account pilih IB Hongkong, account bisa diasuransikan demi keamanan uang yang dititipkan di IB.(Customers are protected by $30 million of SIPC and Lloyd's of London securities account protection.) -- http://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/general/about/ibgStrength.php?ib_entity=hk Interactive Brokers Group Strength and Security When placing your money with a broker, you need to make sure your broker is secure and can endure through good and bad times. The financial statements of Interactive Brokers LLC are available on our website for your review. Note that Interactive Brokers LLC and its affiliates* are owned by IBG LLC. Important Strength and Security Facts about Interactive Brokers Group We currently hold $4.4 billion in equity capital. We handle over 1,000,000 trades per day. Interactive Brokers conducts its broker/dealer and proprietary trading businesses on over 80 market destinations. We have been in the trading business for 32 years. We have always been at the forefront of trading innovation, starting with the invention of the first floor-based handheld computer in 1983. Customers are protected by $30 million of SIPC and Lloyd's of London securities account protection. Our real-time margin system continuously enforces limits for each account, and automatically liquidates positions if any individual account violates its limits at any time. All orders are automatically vetted on a pre-trade basis. We do not hold CDOs, Subprime Debt, or Credit Default Swaps. With the exception of foreign exchange, we trade only exchange listed products that are cleared through central clearing houses and are marked daily to external closing prices disseminated by the exchanges. Positions and resulting payables/receivables are automatically reconciled against external sources daily. Investment Policy As a regulated broker, IB is subject to SEC and CFTC regulations on investment of customer funds. Permissible investment vehicles include bank deposits and a variety of top-rated government securities and related instruments. IB's effective investment policy is more stringent than this, reflecting our risk-averse philosophy. We invest customer funds only in government securities and repos, cash deposits in bank accounts at the largest banks and triple A-rated Money Market Funds (in which we invest less than 2% of customer assets). Additionally, we limit customer exposure through the following credit policies: Keeping investments in highly liquid, short-term instruments. Distributing client funds among a variety of banks and counterparties to avoid concentrated exposure to any single counterparty. Rigorous analysis by our Credit Committee of Counterparty Financial Conditions as well as review of risk factors prior to permitting investment activity with or via any counterparty. IB's investment policy is very conservative. Our strict policies when investing client money minimizes our and your exposure in uncertain credit environments. *Interactive Brokers sister affiliates. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, santos...@... wrote: Jangan pakai OX pak feenya mahal sekali. Saya recommend IB.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Cynthia Lavenia cyndel...@... Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:49:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] US Brokerage IB pak Danny On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, danny.eug...@... wrote: To member, Mohon bantuan, saya saat ini trading saham ETF Amrik menggunakan TD Ameritrade. Namun saya mau split ke tempat lain. Saya rencana mau buka di Interactive Broker (kemakan iklan di CNBC) atau OptionsXpress (gara2 ikutan Mega Options). Apakah member OB ada yang menggunakan IB or OX? Which one do you prefer. Terima kasih atas bantuannya. Regz, DannyEugene Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links -- Cynthia
[obrolan-bandar] Re: CityGroups
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, h...@... wrote: Banyak teman2 sy setelah kena kasus SP jadi takut transaksi di BEI mereka kawatir karena dana dan saham mereka tidak mendapat jaminan dari pihak manapun. Padahal sistem / aturan membuka peluang perusahan efek memindahkan saham kita dari cbas ke rek bersama sekuritas untuk mkbd. ask ; Terdapat persepsi bahwa System MKBD adalah 'suatu cara' untuk mengaburkan diagostic kesehatan 'kecukupan modal minimal' Brokerkalau modal broker negatif bisa di ijokan dengan dana setoran nasabah, dengan system pengawasan BEI via MKMD nasabah benar2 tidak bisa mengecek apakah Broker sudah pailit atau sehat2 aja, any comment ? Sarijaya jilid 2 mudah2an tidak terjadi dalam waktu dekat ini...omset BEI bakal anjlok lagi.meskipun sudah ada tanda2 tiada asap kalau tidak ada api di Broker yang disamping bisnis broker juga menjadi penerbit Derivative(Bandar). Keep posting Stock pic US Stock Shanghai b-shares Thanks regards, bila terjadi lagi kasus seperti sps maka nasabah akan sangat dirugikan selain potensi hilangnya dana dan saham juga karena dirugikan waktu. karena itu banyak yang sudah buka rek di luar sana, dan pertanyaan yang masuk ke sy banyak saham2 dari sana Saham CitiGroup dgn kode C di NY sistem AMTA dan Swing yang kami kembangkan ternyata berfungsi cukup baik di saham ini. beberapa kali panah keluar lalu saham ini ngacir keatas. pada beberapa hari terakhir terlihat saham bergerak sideways dimana sebelumnya ada panah dari amta in bear. mungkin Mr. JSX Trader bisa bantu tambahkan analisa volume. mengigat terjadi lonjakan volume di beberapa bulan terakhir ini. thx Hans http://www.bumianyar.net/download/ http://trend-traders.com/ http://www.mylri.com/ Tulisan di atas bukanlah suatu rekomendasi beli atau jual, melainkan suatu petunjuk untuk menginterpretasikan sebuah pola atau indikator tertentu. Informasi di atas seharusnya digunakan hanya oleh investor yang memahami resiko dalam trading saham, komoditi mau pun forex. Kami tidak bertanggung jawab atas kerugian apa pun yang disebabkan oleh penggunaan tulisan di atas.
[obrolan-bandar] Geithner Bailout Plan May Speed Bank Failures
ARTINYACITICORP dan AIG tidak perlu stress tests for bank =didalam bahaya tersembunyi kesempatan ada komentar ? Regards, Geithner Bailout Plan May Speed Bank Failures 02/12/09 - 11:22 AM EST , BAC , WFC (Cramer's Pick) , JPM , C Laurie Kulikowski Laurie Kulikowski More banks could fail as a result of the government's plan to test the health of prospective recipients before doling out new federal aid -- and maybe that's part of the point, analysts say. * On the Brink * Bank Failures: An Interactive Map * Citi Stock's Wild Ride Explained in Arb Trade * Bank Stocks to Buy Now (Maybe) * Ken Lewis Says BofA Is Fine. Do We Buy It? * 'Stress Tests' Will Expose Weakness * Christopher Flowers Finds the Bloom May Be Off * Geithner Bailout Plan May Speed Bank Failures * BBT's Allison: A Free Market Could Have Prevented This * Beware Banks' Unfunded TARP Talk * Why Banks Aren't Lending * The Next Financial WMD? * E*Trade Aid Would Trickle Down to Citadel * Market Activity * Bank of America Corporation| BAC * Citigroup Incorporated| C * JPMorgan Chase Company| JPM The government will require so-called stress tests for banks with at least $100 billion in assets as a means of determining whether they need capital, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in unveiling the next stage of the financial bailout plan on Tuesday. While Geithner was vague on exact details of the plan, the stress test could be used as a way to allow certain financial institutions to fail, says Quincy Krosby, chief investment strategist at The Hartford. There seems to be a growing concern that perhaps we do need to allow banks to fail if the systemic risk and the ensuing doesn't replicate what happened after Lehman Brothers' demise, she says. Nancy Atkinson, a senior analyst at Aite Group, an independent research and advisory firm, also says she suspects there could be some more banks that, rather than be bailed out, could fail. I think that the government is going to be looking very closely at the asset base of each of these banks and ... looking at the write-offs and reserves for loans and making sure they're adequate, Atkinson says. Where the surprises are going to come is when they really have to dig into these items. Analysis Discussion TSC Ratings Jim Cramer: Geithner Bailout Offers More of the Same You Ask, Dan Fitzpatrick Answers (Add comment) Bank Failure Roundup Geithner said the new bailout plan sets up a Financial Stability Trust that evaluates pressure on banks and offers them capital assistance based on that evaluation. In addition, Geithner proposed a joint public-private investment fund of up to $1 trillion to begin valuing troubled legacy assets on banks' balance sheets.
[obrolan-bandar] You must be Mad to buy Citigroup stock.(Cendrawira)
Terima kasih. Sudah telp teman yang nyangkut. Strategy menjadi : Citicorp --Hold(karena terlanjur nyangkut) WELLS FARGO --Long Regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, cendrawira cendraw...@... wrote: Baiklah, saya akan lebih detil menjelaskan tentang pendapat saya ttg pilihan saya. pertama saya sangat menganjurkan saudara2 untuk membaca ini: http://iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/The.History.of.the.Money.Changers.htm it is a very very good and long read, saya sangat menikmati setiap detik dari artikel tersebut, saya berani jamin saudara2 yang blum membaca artikel itu akan membuka pikiran anda. Baca dan cerna dengan hikmah. saya akan memulai dengan introduction, Kalau kita belajar dari sejarah, United States as much as I hate to admit it, it is a country fills with great spirit. Amerika sejak independent sudah mengalami badai dan krisis yang menempa Amerika menjadi United States of America today, the Global financial and military superpower. anda bisa melihat krisis2 sekilas dari sini http://www.cnbc.com/id/28993790/ apa yang didapatin saya, despite of what most people said the crisis today is different, I beg to differ bahwa ini hanyalah salah satu crisis2 yang akan berlalu dan membuat Amerika lebih cemerlang. Buat yang awam, sebenarnya crisis itu hanyalah manipulasi2 dan di-engineered oleh segelintir2 group2 elite yg dikenal sebagai ILLUMINATI atau orang2 yang hendak mendorong agenda GLOBAL WORLD ORDER. anyway enough of that la, bagi yang tidak mau melihat gambaran besar dari cara dunia ini bekerja gpp, let's get back to fundamental. intinya, US economy will be the first to recoup. The question is, do you want to ride with it? stupid question yes? kita harus berpikir satu langkah ke depan yes? the real question is, HOW DO I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AMERICAN ECONOMIC RECOVERY?? kita harus berpikir satu langkah ke depan yes? i will spare all the financial calculation, tapi saya akan bagi pikiran saja skenarionya. pada waktu US economy recover, sektor mana yang paling cepat recover along with it. Saudara2 tau, bisnis itu bagai perang, perang memerlukan resources, seperti bisnis memerlukan cash, credit untuk expansion dll. Sekarang saya nanya saudara, sektor mana yang paling banyak koneksi dan power untuk menghimpun duit dari masyarakat paling cepet? correct, BANKS HOLDING. Most people will go with commodities and energy sector, that is correct too, ga ada yang salah. saya juga mikir dengan recovery ekonomi amerika, inflasi akan sangat tinggi sehingga lbh bonafit menyimpan bahan2 darpada uang kertas. tapi yang most people didn't realise, harga2 energy, commodities itu sebenarnya sangat suka dimanipulasi. honestly speaking, yang 'menjatuhkan' harga minyak sekarang juga siapa? dan siapa yg punya duit, power, bargain power untuk menjatuhkan harga tsb suka2? kita mikir paling gampang saja, amerika sebagai negara kapitalis akan tetap membutuhkan BANK. kenapa saya memilih Bank karena sekarang sektor2 finansial yang sudah sengaja di attack dan di short oleh bandar2 pasar sehingga valuasi mrk paling murah dan lbh bisa disesuaikan. saya jujur masih tidak berani memvaluasi sektor2 energi seperti minyak karena itu bidang yg tidak kelihatan, kita tidak tahu percis berapa banyak sisa cadangan mrk dan resiko di nasionalisasi pemerintah daerah tsb. saya tertantang untuk membawa topik ini karena saya tidak mau saudara2 tergiur ttg saham citigroup yang menyesatkan. saya juga tidak berani melarang saudara2 yang tertarik untuk membeli citigroup, tapi memangnya bank2 di amerika hanya ada citigroup? Saya adalah seorang investor, saya membeli perusahaan yang saya suka dan bangga kalau saya memiliki perusahaan yang sebagai captain of the industry, berkualitas apalagi ketika saya mendapatkan harganya paling murah dalam 20 tahun lagi. betul sekali2 bapak2, Bank yang saya bet dengan 1/2 harta saya ada WELLS FARGO. http://www.cnbc.com/id/29511488?slide=12 saya dan kolega2 saya sependapat kalau bidang yg paling bagus dijalankan di amerika sekarang ada bisnis perbankan. Bank2 yang baru dan bersih di buku mrk akan make a killing di jaman krisis ini skrng karena mrk mempunyai bargaining power yg kuat terhadap nasabah2 amerika. Mrk bisa memanfaatkan FED rate 0-0.25% dan menyalurkan kredit dengan rate 4%-5%. Bayangkan saja berapa banyak untungnya NET INTEREST MARGINNYA! duh saya mikir, betapa enakya kalau saya bisa bisa dan mampu membuka bank di amerika juga skrng. loh?? WHY NOT? setelah saya membaca dan riset ttg bidang perbankan di amerika, saya seperti mendapat EUREKA ! DOH??? tidak perlu effort yg banyak untuk riset2 di www.sec.gov dan email2/telpon2 ke investor relations US banks. wong hanya duit interlokal. Nah sekarang saya mempunyai visi, ketika saya berkunjung ke amrik waktu ekonomy recover saya akan sangat bangga bahwa saya mempunyai saham di Bank terbesar
[obrolan-bandar] Apakah hourly Insidebar Breakout applicabled di saham gorengan ?
Hello para achli TA, Apakah Insidebar Breakout(hanya dipakai Bull-bar) bisa dipakai di bumbum atau saham gorengan ? terima kasih Salam = Originally Posted by PeterCrowns * Only be willing to buy a market if it is up on the day. * Only be willing to sell a market if it is down on the day... Very simple but the implications are very deep at the same time...if that makes any sort of sense. I would love to be a fly on the wall for just an hour when you're trading. I feel like I would learn heaps. Quote: Originally Posted by PeterCrowns And yes, I have come up with very simple methods to exploit this. Breakouts of inside bars on hourly charts is one very useable technique I use a lot.
[obrolan-bandar] The 5 biggest lies on Wall Street(1)
The 5 biggest lies on Wall Street These are the tenets you counted on for years, like 'buy and hold' and heed the advice of 'experts.' Keep these whoppers in mind as you plan your financial future. advertisement Article Tools * E-mail to a friend * Tools Index * Print-friendly version * Site Map * Article Index * Discuss in a Message Board * Digg This By Michael Brush If you had any money in stocks in the past few years, you might be feeling pretty dumb right now -- since you're down more than 40% on those investments. But stop being so hard on yourself. Yes, you probably should have pulled more money out in time. But on the other hand, you were probably suckered by any number of big lies foisted on you by Wall Street and market players who stood to profit. Here are the five biggest lies that probably hurt you the most and will be worth remembering in the future. Big Lie No. 1: The market will take care of everything Remember Ronald Reagan's line, Government isn't the solution to our problems; government is the problem? The Gipper may have had some great political insights, but the train wreck in the market shows this one wasn't one of them. During most of this decade, Wall Street lobbyists persuaded would-be regulators in the Bush administration to lay off. The markets would find the best solutions to any problems on their own. In the free-for-all that ensued, the Wall Street Masters of the Universe made untold millions -- and left us with huge problems. The damage caused by all the tricks, scams and skullduggery has cost more than $7 trillion in market losses so far, not to mention millions of jobs and a deep recession. * Talk back: Do you feel betrayed by Wall Street lies? We convinced ourselves that the inmates could regulate themselves, and obviously that was wrong, says Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics, a financial consulting firm. If we are going to let people buy public policy, then we are going to get stupid things. Perhaps the biggest gaffe was allowing a multitrillion-dollar market in credit default swaps -- a kind of loan insurance -- to develop with no oversight or regulation. This was just plain dumb, and we'll continue to pay the price. Too much CDS exposure helped take down Lehman Bros. (LEHMQ, news, msgs) and American International Group (AIG, news, msgs). They lost big by insuring complex securities backed by bad home mortgage loans. More from MSN Money Wall Street trader © Rubberball / Getty Images * Treasury's strategy: 'What elephant?' * 5 buys for the (eventual) recovery * Wild West capitalism is over * Geithner's first test is a disaster * Why the CEO salary cap is a joke Of course, none of this could have happened if regulators hadn't looked the other way as mortgage originators handed home loans to anyone who could fog a mirror. They didn't care because the loans could be sold to Wall Street banks, repackaged as securities and sold again to investors. A shadow banking system developed to originate and sell mortgages outside the regulated banking system, and we ignored it, says William Isaac, a former chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and now head of the Secura Group, a division of national consulting firm LECG. Even regulators who were supposed to be policing the market often did a lousy job during this free market era. One example: Early this decade, a statistical wonk named Harry Markopolos had figured out that the investment vehicle that Bernard Madoff was promoting to well-heeled investors was a classic Ponzi scheme. Markopolos alerted the Securities and Exchange Commission, which failed to act until investors had lost billions. Big Lie No. 2: The 'experts' will help you Many of us rely on the experts for guidance in the market, and they failed us miserably. Most mutual funds are down as much as the market -- or worse. The geniuses running hedge funds did little better. A few commentators managed to forecast the market disaster; most missed it. There's a simple reason why they missed the coming carnage, says David Loeper, the CEO of Wealthcare Capital Management in Richmond, Va., and author of Stop the Investing Rip-off: How to Avoid Being a Victim and Make More Money, due out in June. The experts have conflicts of interest. Mutual funds, hedge funds and brokerages want to keep you at the table so that they can continue to earn fees from your nest egg. They don't care if you win or lose, they just want you to keep playing the game, Loeper says. Video on MSN Money A retiree returns to work © The Wall Street Journal Online A retiree returns to work After Jan Cone's retirement funds dried up in the market downturn, she found herself hunting for a new job. The Wall Street Journal reports on how she made the transition back. They often pitch whatever is hot -- commodities and emerging markets come to mind -- at exactly the wrong
[obrolan-bandar] The 5 biggest lies on Wall Street(2)
The 5 biggest lies on Wall Street Continued from page 1 advertisement Article Tools * E-mail to a friend * Tools Index * Print-friendly version * Site Map * Article Index * Discuss in a Message Board * Digg This Big Lie No. 3: Buy and hold Anyone who has followed this advice since the late 1990s now feels deceived. Buy and hold once seemed so obvious. Over the long haul, stocks advance 10% to 12% a year, goes the mantra. So you can't ever go wrong adding money to stock funds -- as long as you don't act like a wild day trader. The problem was that investors and financial advisers use an assessment of risk tolerance to determine exposure to various asset classes like stocks, bonds and cash. Then the level of risk in the stock market changed violently. But investors -- or their financial advisers -- didn't adjust their portfolios away from stocks toward safer assets like cash, says Axel Merk of Merk Mutual Funds in Palo Alto, Calif. If the risks in the markets change, your investment allocations must also change, he says. * Talk back: What have you learned from tough times? But how were we supposed to know that the risks of owning stocks had increased? One early signal began to emerge in 2007, when market volatility started to increase rapidly, Merk says. Another sign was that excessive debt throughout the system had driven corporate profits to abnormally high levels, setting up investors for a big fall, says money manager John Hussman, the president of the Hussman Investment Trust. Hussman warned investors of this risk early on. But, he says, because of Big Lie No. 2, many experts and Wall Street professionals were unwilling to entertain any concern that threatened to stop the gravy train. Big Lie No. 4: Overpaid CEOs are worth the money Whenever I write about greedy CEOs who get paid too much, company PR machines trot out the old saw that pay has to be so high to attract the best talent. Oh, really? More from MSN Money Wall Street trader © Rubberball / Getty Images * Treasury's strategy: 'What elephant?' * 5 buys for the (eventual) recovery * Wild West capitalism is over * Geithner's first test is a disaster * Why the CEO salary cap is a joke Then why are we suffering such a deep recession and huge market losses? After all, the CEOs at the banks that got us into this mess were paid like kings. Let's take a look at some of the consequences -- and predictions -- brought to us by the supposed top talent purchased with all that money: An extreme underappreciation of his problems. At Lehman Bros.' very last annual meeting in April 2008, then-CEO Richard Fuld opined that the worst of the impact of the financial markets is behind us. In June, he told investors the investment bank was well-positioned because of efforts to strengthen its balance sheet. Fuld was supposed to be a top talent; Lehman had paid him more than $186.5 million in salary, bonuses and profits from stock options in the prior three years, according to Equilar, an executive compensation research firm. Yet by autumn, Lehman vanished, setting off the October 2008 market crash. It had been killed by mortgage-backed securities and other investments made on Fuld's watch. The cost of moving too fast. On Sept. 15, Bank of America (BAC, news, msgs) CEO Ken Lewis announced that the banking giant was buying Merrill Lynch, saying the deal -- cobbled together over a weekend -- was a great opportunity for shareholders because together the companies would be more valuable due to synergies. Lewis had taken home $98.6 million from 2005 to 2007, so you'd think he would know what he was talking about. So far, he's been terribly wrong. Bank of America reported a $21.5 billion fourth-quarter loss. The government responded by injecting $20 billion in new capital Jan. 16 and guaranteeing $118 billion in potential losses from the Merrill Lynch deal. The stock has been crushed. Bank of America closed at $33.74 the Friday before the deal was struck. It fell to $26.55 on Sept. 15. It dropped to as low as $3.77 on Feb. 5 before recovering to $5.57 on Friday. What seems clear is that these executives were blissfully ignorant of the growing risks to their businesses or simply chose to ignore them. And despite all the bad press about CEOs raking in millions for lousy performance, the tricks continue. D.R. Horton (DHI, news, msgs), the nation's largest homebuilder, lost a whopping $8.34 per share in fiscal 2008, which ended Sept. 30. The stock has fallen 79% since July 2005. Yet Chairman Donald Horton and CEO Donald Tomnitz collected $5.4 million and $4.4 million, respectively, for the year, including $1.8 million each in performance pay. They were rewarded for hitting benchmarks on cost cutting, pretax income and operating cash flow. None of this is new. CEOs have been collecting big bucks for lousy performances for years.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: peraturan delisting NYSE mengenai
. We've already given AIG a total of $170 billion--an amount that dwarfs the $75 billion allocated to helping those millions of homeowners facing foreclosures. And more will be thrown down the AIG rat hole because President Barack Obama is blindly following the misguided advice of his top economic advisers, who insist that AIG is too big to fail. AIG provides insurance protection to more than 100,000 entities, including small businesses, municipalities, 401(k) plans and Fortune 500 companies who together employ over 100 million Americans, the joint Treasury Department and Fed statement declared while insisting that for that reason, plus the systemic risk AIG continues to pose and the fragility of markets today, the potential cost to the economy and the taxpayer of government inaction would be extremely high. What about the cost of inaction by Treasury and the Fed before this meltdown? If AIG were so important to the American economy, shouldn't government regulators have been looking more closely at its activities? They couldn't then, and even now they don't understand what AIG has been up to, because the company was allowed to operate in an essentially unregulated global economy in which multinational corporations have their way. As the Treasury/Fed statement concedes: AIG operates in over 130 countries with over 400 regulators and the company and its regulated and unregulated subsidiaries are subject to very different resolution frameworks across their broad and diverse operations without an overarching resolution mechanism. Oh, really? And you're discovering that only now, when you're making us bail AIG out? It wasn't that long ago that a couple of hustlers operating out of an AIG office in London were going wild making money off selling insurance on credit default swaps that no one could understand, but the company execs loved those huge profit margins. To challenge their maneuvering, as some in Congress attempted, was said by their defenders, including Geithner, to put them at an unfair disadvantage in the world market. Ignorance was bliss... until the bubble burst. This was all belatedly conceded by Bernanke in his Senate testimony on Tuesday: AIG exploited a huge gap in the regulatory system. There was no oversight of the Financial Products division. This was a hedge fund, basically, that was attached to a large and stable insurance company, made huge numbers of irresponsible bets--took huge losses. There was no regulatory oversight because there was a gap in the system. AIG used to be in the conventional insurance business, covering identifiable risks it knew something about, until it took advantage of deregulation and a lack of government surveillance to come up with contrived new financial products. Even Maurice Greenberg, the man who built AIG from the ground up over a span of 40 years before he was forced out amid corruption charges in 2005, admits that he didn't understand the newfangled financial gimmicks that the company was peddling. This week, claiming he too was swindled, Greenberg sued in federal court, charging the AIG execs who forced him out with gross, wanton or willful fraud or other morally culpable conduct, over the credit default swap portfolio that was part of his settlement. US taxpayers now have ownership of almost 80 percent of AIG, but with the company's once solid traditional insurance business now suffering a steep loss of consumer confidence, it's not likely that even the formerly healthy parts of the company will be worth much. What we have here is all pain and no gain for the taxpayers roped into this debacle, which is proving to be the story of the entire banking bailout. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: Hello. ADa yang tahu peraturan delisting NYSE mengenai batasan harga saham untuk Delisting ? Dari Rule 496=501A tidak kelihatan secara spesific. Contoh kasus : Bears Stern - harga terus turun dibawah USD 1. 0.8, 0.4 sampai NOL Citicorp semalam ditutup USD 1.01 = Tidak mungkin Delisting meskipun harga dibawah USD 1 (apa betul ?) = To big To fail, 40% saham sudah dibeli Pemerintah US. ? % milik ABU Dhabi = US Banking adalah kunci dari recovery US economy, pasti di Bail-out habis2an(dikeluarkan/diambilalih Toxic asset dari Balancesheet(pakai SPV) dan disuntik modal baru), seperti juga AIG mati2 di suntik karena kejatuhan AIG akan menghancurkan ecomomy Europe IT is the time to Buy Citicorp Stock ! Pls comment Salam == Listing and Delisting (Rule 496501A) Rule 496. Requirements for Independent Agents Acting As or In Lieu of New York City Transfer Agents of Securities Listed on New York Stock Exchange, Inc. [ Rule 496 was removed as part of NYSE-2004-62; please see NYSE Listed Company Manual 601.01 for information regarding Transfer Agents.] Adopted. June
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 1997 vs. Today: Stocks, Commodities, Economy
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, kusumo k kusu...@... wrote: Pak ada artikel untuk 1997 vs. Today tapi utk kampung kita sendiri ? Thanks ya Hello, Sekedar info bagi Trader BEI, kita selalu mengacu kepada DowJones, regional untuk prediksi BEI dan saham2 individual,dan selama beras, tempe tahu, roti, indomie, StarBuck yang kita makan/minum mengawini USD, apa boleh buat ? Di USA bersin(Leading Indicator), kita sudah batuk2---(lagging Indicator) apalagi dengan hadirnya Hedgefund..intermarket portfolionya sering membuat TA + FA local stock melongo contoh : Jual Stock BEI (tidak ada hujan angin) untuk dibelikan in Oil atau Gold visa versa, Salam On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:11 AM, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: Thursday, 5 Mar 2009 1997 vs. Today: Stocks, Commodities, Economy Posted By: Giovanny Moreano | Yolaiki Gonzalez | Ariel Nelson Topics:Gold Precious Metals | Oil | Economy (U.S.) | Commodities | Dow Jones Industrial Average | Stock Market Following a sharp drop in the Dow to 1997 levels, here is a look back at that time in history. While stocks are back to 12 year lows, most other things are not the same. Major Indices: 1997 * The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 7908.25 on 12/31/97, up 1,459.98 points for the year, or 22.64%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 8299.49 on 8/7/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 6352.82 on 1/2/97 * In 1997, the Dow closed up 54.5% of the time and down 45.5% of the time * In terms of yearly percent gains from 1997 to 2008, the Dow had its third largest percent increase in 1997. The best yearly percent gain during these years was on 2003 (25.32%), followed by 1999 (25.22%). * The SP 500 closed at 970.43 on 12/31/97, up 229.69 points for the year, or 31.01%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 986.2 on 12/5/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 729.6 on 1/2/97 * In 1997, the SP closed up 55.5% of the time an down 44.5% of the time * The NASDAQ Composite closed at 1570.35 on 12/31/97, up 279.32 points for the year, or 21.64%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 1748.62 on 10/9/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 1194.39 on 4/22/97 * In 1997, the NASDAQ closed up 57.3% of the time and down 42.7% of the time 2008 * The Dow fell 4488.43 points to close at 8776.39, down 33.84% for the year * The SP fell 565.11 points to close at 903.25 , down 38.49% for the year * The NASDAQ Composite fell 1075.25 points to close at 1577.03 on 12/31/08, down 40.54% for the year 2009 * The Dow closed on 3/3/09 at 6726.02, its lowest close since April 21, 1997 So far this year, the Dow has traded between a range of 9088.06 and 6705.63 Year-to-date, the Dow is down 21.7% * The SP 500 closed on 3/3/09 at 696.33, its lowest close since October 10, 1996 * The SP has traded between a range of 944.28 and 692.69 so far this year * Year-to-date, the SP is down 21.1% * The NASDAQ Composite closed on 3/3/09 at 1321.01, 4.89 points away from its 11/7/08 through. * The NASDAQ has traded between a range of 1665.63 and 1312.98 so far this year Year-to-date, the NASDAQ is down 14.2% Commodities: 1997 * Crude oil closed at $17.64 per barrel on 12/31/97, down $8.28 for the year, or 31.94% * It hit an intraday high for the year of $26.24 per barrel on 1/9/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of $17.50 per barrel on 12/30/97 * Gold closed at $293.6 per 100 Troy Oz, down $75.6 for the year, or 20.48%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of $369.4 per 100 Troy Oz, on 1/2/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of $283.3 per 100 Troy Oz., on 12/9/97 2008 * Crude oil closed at $44.6 per barrel on 12/31/08, down 53.53% for the year * Traded between a range of $147.27 and $35.13 * Gold closed at $884.3 per 100 Troy Oz. on 12/31/08, up 5.53% for the year * Traded between a range of $1033.9 and $681 2009 * Crude oil has traded between a range of $50.47 and $33.2 so far this year * Year-to-date, it is up 1.75% * Gold has traded between a range of $1007.7 and $801.5 so far this year * Year-to-date, it is up 2.53% Unleaded, Regular Gasoline Average Retail Price (Energy Information Administration): 1997 Average Price: $1.234/gallon 1997 High/Low: September at a monthly average of $1.277/gallon December at a monthly average of $1.177/gallon 2008 Average Price: $3.266/gallon 2008 High/Low: July at a monthly average of $4.09/gallon December at a monthly average of $1.689/gallon Economy: Average Unemployment Rate (Annual): 1996: 5.41% 1997: 4.94% 2008 : 5.81% 1996 High/Low: Jan., Apr., May at 5.6% August at 5.1% 1997 High/Low: January at 5.3% November at 4.6% 2008 High/Low: December at 7.2% February at 4.8% Gross Domestic Product (GDP) GDP % Change - Full Year: 1996: +3.7% 1997: +4.5% 2008: +1.12% GDP % Change
[obrolan-bandar] Boris Schlossberg: All China Worries Will Dollar Be in Trouble?
Boris Schlossberg: All China Worries Will Dollar Be in Trouble? Chinese central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan pledged today to act assertively in restoring confidence in China's badly shaken financial sector noting that, If we act slowly and less decisively, we're likely to see what happened in other countries: a slide in confidence. Mr. Zhou's comments may have simply been a rearguard action after markets were clearly disappointed with Chinese Premier's Web Jiabao speech on Tuesday that failed to offer any new stimulus spending plans aside from the $800 billion program already announced last summer. Although the world's third largest economy continues to expand, Premier Wen Jiabao's assertion yesterday that China's growth will reach 8% this year struck many analysts as overly optimistic. China's internal demand is simply not mature enough to generate organic growth and its critical export sector is reeling from very sharp fall off in demand from G10 nations. The quick reaction from Chinese monetary officials indicates the high level of anxiety amongst the country's policymakers regarding the economic outlook in 2009. China simply cannot grow if US and EZ consumer demand continues to erode. To that end, today's US NFP numbers could be a crucial data point for global capital markets. If unemployment rises, as some uber bears fear, by nearly 1 million jobless, the impact on consumer spending is likely to be catastrophic greatly reducing Chinese export income. Under that scenario the dollar may come under tremendous amount of stress in the near future. We have long argued that the worst case scenario for the greenback in 2009 would a failed Treasury auction. If Chinese are forced to repatriate some of their $700 Billion portfolio of US Treasury securities in order to support domestic demand, they will in effect cut off one of the primary sources of financing for US government debt. US officials may have no choice but to engage in a massive quantitative easing program with the Fed becoming the buyer of last resort for US government paper. Such a move would almost certainly drive the dollar lower as panic will spread in the currency market over the massive dilutive impact of such policy.
[obrolan-bandar] peraturan delisting NYSE mengenai
Hello. ADa yang tahu peraturan delisting NYSE mengenai batasan harga saham untuk Delisting ? Dari Rule 496=501A tidak kelihatan secara spesific. Contoh kasus : Bears Stern - harga terus turun dibawah USD 1.0.8, 0.4 sampai NOL Citicorp semalam ditutup USD 1.01 = Tidak mungkin Delisting meskipun harga dibawah USD 1 (apa betul ?) = To big To fail, 40% saham sudah dibeli Pemerintah US. ? % milik ABU Dhabi = US Banking adalah kunci dari recovery US economy, pasti di Bail-out habis2an(dikeluarkan/diambilalih Toxic asset dari Balancesheet(pakai SPV) dan disuntik modal baru), seperti juga AIG mati2 di suntik karena kejatuhan AIG akan menghancurkan ecomomy Europe IT is the time to Buy Citicorp Stock ! Pls comment Salam == Listing and Delisting (Rule 496501A) Rule 496. Requirements for Independent Agents Acting As or In Lieu of New York City Transfer Agents of Securities Listed on New York Stock Exchange, Inc. [ Rule 496 was removed as part of NYSE-2004-62; please see NYSE Listed Company Manual 601.01 for information regarding Transfer Agents.] Adopted. June 24, 1971. Amended. July 5, 2005 (NYSE-2004-62). Rule 497. Additional Requirements for Listed Securities Issued by NYSE Euronext or its Affiliates (a) For purposes of this Rule 497 the terms below are defined as follows: (1) NYSE Euronext Affiliate means NYSE Euronext ( NYSE Euronext) and any entity that directly or indirectly, through one or more intermediaries, controls, is controlled by, or is under common control with NYSE Euronext, where control means that one entity possesses, directly or indirectly, voting control of the other entity either through ownership of capital stock or other equity securities or through majority representation on the board of directors or other management body of such entity. (2) Affiliate Security means any security issued by a NYSE Euronext Affiliate, with the exception of Investment Company Units as defined in Para. 703.16 of the Listed Company Manual. (3) New York Stock Exchange LLC (the Exchange) is a wholly owned subsidiary of NYSE Euronext. (4) NYSE Market, Inc. ( NYSE Market) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Exchange. NYSE Market is the entity that will manage the Floor trading of securities. (5) NYSE Regulation, Inc. ( NYSE Regulation) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Exchange and will perform the self-regulatory organization responsibilities pertaining to regulating the NYSE Market and the Exchange. (b) Prior to the initial listing of the Affiliate Security on the Exchange, NYSE Regulation shall determine that such securities satisfy New York Stock Exchange LLC's rules for listing, and such finding must be approved by the NYSE Regulation Board of Directors. (c) Throughout the continued listing of the Affiliate Security on the Exchange, NYSE Regulation shall (1) prepare a quarterly report on the Affiliate Security for the NYSE Regulation board of directors that describes: (a) the NYSE Regulation's monitoring of the Affiliate Security's compliance with the Exchange's listing standards, including, (i) the Affiliate Security's compliance with the Exchange's minimum share price requirement and (ii) the Affiliate Security's compliance with each of the quantitative continued listing requirements; and (b) NYSE's Regulation's monitoring of the trading of the Affiliate Security including summaries of all related surveillance alerts, complaints, regulatory referrals, adjusted trades, investigations, examinations, formal and informal disciplinary actions, exception reports and trading data used to ensure that the Affiliate Security's compliance with the Exchange's listing and trading rules. A copy of said report will be forwarded promptly to the Securities and Exchange Commission ( Commission). (2) Once a year, an independent accounting firm shall review the listing standards for the Affiliate Security to insure that the issuer is in compliance with the listing requirements and a copy of the report shall be forwarded promptly to the Commission. (3) In the event that NYSE Regulation determines that the Affiliate Security is not in compliance with any of the Exchange's listing standards, NYSE Regulation shall notify the issuer of such non-compliance promptly and request a plan of compliance. NYSE Regulation shall file a report with the Commission within five business days of providing such notice to the issuer of its non-compliance. The report shall identify the date of the non-compliance, type of non-compliance, and any other material information conveyed to the issuer in the notice of non-compliance. Within five business days of receipt of a plan of compliance from the issuer, NYSE Regulation shall notify the Commission of such receipt, whether the plan was accepted by NYSE Regulation or what other action was taken with respect to the plan and the time period provided to regain compliance
[obrolan-bandar] Recovery Indicators Are Being Ignored
Recovery Indicators Are Being Ignored Wednesday, 4 Mar 2009 | 4:51 PM ET Text Size Posted By: Larry Kudlow Anchor CNBC.com As Team Obama readies its nearly $300 billion mortgage bailout a plan that at best will have only minor positive impact, and at worst will welfare-ize the housing sector even more there are recovery indicators out there that are being ignored by the pessimistic administration and its media allies. Consumer incomes, after tax and adjusted for inflation, have increased for five straight months, which is largely from the tax-cut effect of plunging energy prices. Housing affordability is at a record high. Purchasing-manager surveys are now bottoming out. Fear-based credit spreads continue to decline. The money supply is expanding rapidly. And commodity prices are bottoming. And then there's one indicator that never gets enough credit the shape of the Treasury yield curve.
[obrolan-bandar] See What People Are Saying About.. The Elusive Market Bottom
See What People Are Saying About.. The Elusive Market Bottom Posted By: Lee Brodie Topics:Economy (U.S.) | Recession | Stock Market | Stock Picks Some on Wall Street were hoping that the bad employment report we got on Friday would be the catalyst for capitulation. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Portfolio manager Jerry Jordan tells CNBC that he doesn't see the Dow [.DJIA 6626.9432.50 (+0.49%) ] going below 6,000. This week has really been sort of a watershed period and sentiment has really gotten terrible. DOW JONES INDU AVER... (.DJIA) 6626.94 32.50 (+0.49%%) Dow Jordan subscribes to the thesis that the market will turn when everyone throws in the towel. It's very hard for me to look at the markets where they are and look at valuation on a normalized basis and think we have a lot more risk, he says. University of California business professor Pete Novarro doesn't quite see it that way. He tells CNBC, from a technical point of view there is no bottom. It's a bottomless bottom. There is no level of support. He says that fundamentally the global economy is getting worse faster than policy is getting better and until that changes we keep going down. And that leads to our Fast Money Reader Poll. Do you think the market is about to make a bottom?
[obrolan-bandar] Obama the Punisher
Thursday, 5 Mar 2009 Obama the Punisher Posted By: Tom Brennan Topics:Barack Obama | Stock Picks | Stock Market Sectors:Financial Services Companies:Marshall Ilsley Corp | Zions Bancorporation | Fifth Third Bancorp | Wells Fargo and Co | Bank of America Corp | Citigroup Inc | Wellpoint Inc | Aetna Inc | Exxon Mobil Corp | Halliburton Co | Medtronic Inc | Eli Lilly and Company The market has a feline problem, Cramer told viewers Thursday. There are too many fat cats running the show, and they're the cause of America's problems. At least that's what President Obama seems to think. So he's meting out punishment accordingly. Too bad it's coming at the cost of our economy. Almost no industry is safe. Drug and medical stocks like Eli Lilly [LLY 27.98 0.51 (+1.86%) ] and Medtronic [MDT 24.92-0.84 (-3.26%) ]. Oils like Halliburton [HAL 15.12-0.26 (-1.69%) ] and Exxon Mobile [XOM 64.031.81 (+2.91%) ]. HMOs like Aetna [AET 20.221.23 (+6.48%) ] and WellPoint [WLP 31.410.36 (+1.16%) ]. Even the agriculture companies are being targeted. And those in housing, gaming, resort and travel, defense especially the banks. The list is endless. Now, Cramer's not saying there are no villains in the market, least of all among the financials. Of course Merrill Lynch's John Thain and Lehman Brothers' Dick Fuld come to mind. But when the problems we have are so systemic and reach to virtually every bank and brokerage in the U.S., should the whole industry be blamed? As Cramer said, they aren't all Citigroups [C 1.030.01 (+0.98%) ], Bank of Americas [BAC 3.14-0.03 (-0.95%) ] and Wells Fargos [WFC 8.610.49 (+6.03%) ]. They are the Fifth Thirds [FITB 1.29-0.08 (-5.84%) ] and Zions [ZION 6.479-0.291 (-4.3%) ] and Marshall Ilsleys [IM 9.95-0.07 (-0.7%) ]. The problem with this strategy is that so many companies are being punished that there are few left to create the jobs we so desperately need. And business people everywhere seem to fear being the next target. Sure, Obama's gaze hasn't yet reached retail or the rails or even tech, but that doesn't mean they're untouchable. Investors then need to stay away from any stock with connection to these fat cats. It's one of the few ways to make money right now. And it will continue to be, at least until Obama decides to stop the punishing and save the economy.
[obrolan-bandar] 1997 vs. Today: Stocks, Commodities, Economy
Thursday, 5 Mar 2009 1997 vs. Today: Stocks, Commodities, Economy Posted By: Giovanny Moreano | Yolaiki Gonzalez | Ariel Nelson Topics:Gold Precious Metals | Oil | Economy (U.S.) | Commodities | Dow Jones Industrial Average | Stock Market Following a sharp drop in the Dow to 1997 levels, here is a look back at that time in history. While stocks are back to 12 year lows, most other things are not the same. Major Indices: 1997 * The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 7908.25 on 12/31/97, up 1,459.98 points for the year, or 22.64%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 8299.49 on 8/7/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 6352.82 on 1/2/97 * In 1997, the Dow closed up 54.5% of the time and down 45.5% of the time * In terms of yearly percent gains from 1997 to 2008, the Dow had its third largest percent increase in 1997. The best yearly percent gain during these years was on 2003 (25.32%), followed by 1999 (25.22%). * The SP 500 closed at 970.43 on 12/31/97, up 229.69 points for the year, or 31.01%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 986.2 on 12/5/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 729.6 on 1/2/97 * In 1997, the SP closed up 55.5% of the time an down 44.5% of the time * The NASDAQ Composite closed at 1570.35 on 12/31/97, up 279.32 points for the year, or 21.64%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of 1748.62 on 10/9/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of 1194.39 on 4/22/97 * In 1997, the NASDAQ closed up 57.3% of the time and down 42.7% of the time 2008 * The Dow fell 4488.43 points to close at 8776.39, down 33.84% for the year * The SP fell 565.11 points to close at 903.25 , down 38.49% for the year * The NASDAQ Composite fell 1075.25 points to close at 1577.03 on 12/31/08, down 40.54% for the year 2009 * The Dow closed on 3/3/09 at 6726.02, its lowest close since April 21, 1997 So far this year, the Dow has traded between a range of 9088.06 and 6705.63 Year-to-date, the Dow is down 21.7% * The SP 500 closed on 3/3/09 at 696.33, its lowest close since October 10, 1996 * The SP has traded between a range of 944.28 and 692.69 so far this year * Year-to-date, the SP is down 21.1% * The NASDAQ Composite closed on 3/3/09 at 1321.01, 4.89 points away from its 11/7/08 through. * The NASDAQ has traded between a range of 1665.63 and 1312.98 so far this year Year-to-date, the NASDAQ is down 14.2% Commodities: 1997 * Crude oil closed at $17.64 per barrel on 12/31/97, down $8.28 for the year, or 31.94% * It hit an intraday high for the year of $26.24 per barrel on 1/9/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of $17.50 per barrel on 12/30/97 * Gold closed at $293.6 per 100 Troy Oz, down $75.6 for the year, or 20.48%. * It hit an intraday high for the year of $369.4 per 100 Troy Oz, on 1/2/97 * It hit an intraday low for the year of $283.3 per 100 Troy Oz., on 12/9/97 2008 * Crude oil closed at $44.6 per barrel on 12/31/08, down 53.53% for the year * Traded between a range of $147.27 and $35.13 * Gold closed at $884.3 per 100 Troy Oz. on 12/31/08, up 5.53% for the year * Traded between a range of $1033.9 and $681 2009 * Crude oil has traded between a range of $50.47 and $33.2 so far this year * Year-to-date, it is up 1.75% * Gold has traded between a range of $1007.7 and $801.5 so far this year * Year-to-date, it is up 2.53% Unleaded, Regular Gasoline Average Retail Price (Energy Information Administration): 1997 Average Price: $1.234/gallon 1997 High/Low: September at a monthly average of $1.277/gallon December at a monthly average of $1.177/gallon 2008 Average Price: $3.266/gallon 2008 High/Low: July at a monthly average of $4.09/gallon December at a monthly average of $1.689/gallon Economy: Average Unemployment Rate (Annual): 1996: 5.41% 1997: 4.94% 2008 : 5.81% 1996 High/Low: Jan., Apr., May at 5.6% August at 5.1% 1997 High/Low: January at 5.3% November at 4.6% 2008 High/Low: December at 7.2% February at 4.8% Gross Domestic Product (GDP) GDP % Change - Full Year: 1996: +3.7% 1997: +4.5% 2008: +1.12% GDP % Change 4th Quarter (Annualized): 1996: +4.76% 1997: +2.98% 2008: -6.25% Best/Worst Quarter - (Annualized) 1996: Best, Q2 at 6.72%, Worst, Q1 at 2.85% 1997: Best, Q2 at 6.22%, Worst, Q4 at 2.98% 2008: Best, Q2 at 2.83% Worst, Q4 at -6.25% Comments? Send them to bythenumb...@cnbc.com bythenumbers.cnbc.com © 2009 CNBC.com
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Online Trading Stock China(Yus)
Hello Pak Yus, Mohon info menyangkut kondisi pasar modal di shanghai shenzhen 1. Sudah menerapkan ScriptLess seperti BEI Custodian KWEI ? 2. apakah OSK sudah ada Study re : Daftar Saham Energy qq. solar energy, biofuel(Emiten yang berencana Investasi di Indonesia berpatungan dengan Jepang), emitent Infrastructure qq, Highways, Rail Road, public housing, emitent Public Health. 3. Daftar emitent China yang sudah listing di Singapore, Hongkong dan NYSE 4. Emiten atau Big Player di sono, apakah masih ada Nepotisme/konflik kepentingan antara bursa politik ? aku Pernah mendengar via TV, ada Bozz besar ditangkap karena meng-aduk2 pasar modal, apakah sudah diadili dan ditembak mati ? 5. Apakah bisa pakai Nominee untuk main di saham seri A ? apa saksinya ? Terima kasih Regards. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Yus Satrio yus_sat...@... wrote: Tanya : OSK - status patungan ? 1. apakah securities yang mempunyai izin operasi di Indonesia, boleh secara legal untuk Broker saham Asing ? 2. Apakah pembelian saham asing itu di POOL nominee atas namsa OSK ? Status hukum nasabah bagimana ? tuntuk kepada Hukum Indonesia atau China? Minimal initial Account berapa ? 3. China menerapkan Devisa control terbatas, kalau mau redemption membutuhkan berapa lama ? 4. Dana nasabah di Securities China segregated(terpisah ) dan diasuransikan( menurut Peraturan bursa Shanghai ?) 5. OSK menarik fee berapa untuk Offshare Brokerage ? 6. bisa diberikan address forum sejenis Obrolan bandar di China ? 7. OSK apakah juga mengeluarkan daily rekomendation atau semacam Briefing ? Terima kasih Terima kasih sebelumnya atas pertanyaan nya 1.OSK Nusadana adalah perusahaan sekuritas asing yang kepemilikannya dimiliki 51% oleh OSK Investement Banking yang berkedudukan di Malaysia. OSK Investment Banking sendiri adalah sekuritas swasta terbesar di Malaysia berdampingan dengan CIMB yang dimiliki oleh pemerintah Malaysia. OSK memiliki bbrp cabang di bbrp bursa besar regional seperti di Singapore atas nama DMG ( bekerja sama dengan Deutche Bank ) di Hangseng, Shanghai dan DOW di USA 2.Perusahaan efek yang berada di Indonesia, dapat secara resmi memberikan servis kepada nasabah untuk transaksi saham di luar negeri., melalui broker resmi di negara yang bersangkutan. 3.Pembukaan account sepenuh nya diserahkan kepada nasabah, apakah nasabah ingin buka langsung di bursa / Negara bersangkutan, atau opening account dibuka di OSK Nusadana Indonesia, yang mana bila dibuka di Indonesia, tentu saja saham saham yang dibeli oleh nasabah di tempatkan dalam account OSK Nusadana yang dibuka di bursa dan Negara bersangkutan, dan bisa dipindahkan langsung ke atas nama nasabah bila satu hari nanti nasabah memutuskan untuk membuka account nya langsung di bursa itu. Inilah yang kami sebutkan dengan pembelian riil dimana nasabah benar benar melakukan transaksi di bursa setempat dibandingkan dengan bbrp perusahaan yang sudah ada sebelum nya. Mengenai status hokum yang berlaku, harus kita lihat apa permasalahan nya, bila permasalahannya terletak pada kesalahan manajemen / administrasi di pihak Indonesia, tentu saja yang berlaku adalah dasar hukum kita yang kita pakai, tapi bila permasalahan nya terletak di bursa atau di Negara yang bersangkutan, tentu saja hukum Negara itu yang berlaku. 4.Minimal account yang ditentukan berbeda untuk setiap Negara .dan untuk lebih jelas nya mungkin antara 10.000-15.000 USD atau setara itu. Untuk lebih jelas nya mungkin bapak bisa menghubungi saya 5.OSK Nusadana menerapkan fee brokerage 0.6% per transaksi jual- beli dan biayanya agak sedikit berbeda bila bapak mempergunakan fasilitas online trading tanpa fasilitas account officer 6.OSK Hongkong .Singapore (DMG) dan Malaysia tentu setiap hari memberikan bbrp morning briefing dan rekomendasi 2 terkait dengan bursa terkait. Dan berikut saya lampirkan bbrp briefing yang keluar untuk hari ini 7.Mengenai redemption saya rasa mungkin untuk bbrp bursa berbeda, dan untuk lebih jelas nya bapak bisa menghubungi kami kembali, atau bapak bisa langsung datang langsung ke kantor cabang kami untuk kterangan lebih lengkap
