Re: Bugzilla e-mail is bouncing and other e-mail issues
heh, when did that happen? Must have missed the email about the ooo-issues list. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Follow up to my follow up from a few weeks ago. Can someone open an JIRA issue with Infra and work with them to make these BZ changes? https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA As it is now, we have an ooo-issues list, but are receiving no notifications. Thanks! -Rob On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: It sounds like there was general agreement to make all notifications go to ooo-issues@i.a.o. But did anyone follow through (or is anyone intending to follow through) with a JIRA issue, as Mark requested? I'm happy to do this myself, but I think it would be better for someone with more background in how BZ was working before to engage with Infra@ on this. -Rob On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: Over the weekend, the ASF infra team noticed some e-mail from the ooo BZ instance was bouncing. Specifically, e-mail to iss...@www.openoffice.org. There also are 142 other iss...@xxx.openoffice.org accounts. The delivery failure may be a temporary issue but it highlights a two tasks for the ooo podling. 1. These accounts need to be switched to ASF mailing lists. Please identify the required changes and open a Jira ticket with the infrastructure team to implement the changes. Note: These accounts were enabled. ASF Infra security policy requires that BZ accounts representing mailing lists are disabled. All 143 accounts have been disabled. This does not stop update notifications being sent but it does stop people requesting password resets for these accounts or logging on using these accounts. 3. The assigned to field is set to just about anything other than ooo-dev@incubator.a.o. In the main ASF Bugzilla instance, this field is hard-coded to the relevant project's dev list and is read-only. This ensures that any updates to any issue are sent to the dev list. ASF policy requires that all issue tracker updates are sent to a project mailing list (usually dev@ or issues@) so that the community is aware of updates to the issues. Please decide how you want to handle this and then open a Jira ticket with the infrastructure team to make the changes. Please note I am not subscribed to this list and will not be monitoring it for replies. If you need to contact the infrastructure team please use the usual channels. Mark -- --Matt
Automated Builds and Releases
Quick question (or perhaps a discussion point). With all this talk about how things used to be built in a data center in Hamburg. I am wondering how the release/build process works with Apache projects. Does the ASF provide facilities for automated builds or releases? Is this something each project contributor needs to do on their own? -- --Matt
Re: Automated Builds and Releases
ah, excellent. Must have missed that, there has been a lot of threads :( On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote: --- On Mon, 9/12/11, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: ... Quick question (or perhaps a discussion point). With all this talk about how things used to be built in a data center in Hamburg. I am wondering how the release/build process works with Apache projects. Does the ASF provide facilities for automated builds or releases? Is this something each project contributor needs to do on their own? This was pointed to in another thread: http://ci.apache.org/#buildbot cheers, Pedro. -- --Matt
Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]
Yeah, I've kinda ran into a similar problems when I originally volunteered to help. I don't know how to go about it, without access to various data dumps and such that it appears only Contributors/PPMC members have access to. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote: --- On Thu, 9/8/11, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: ... I see you closed INFRA-3917. I like to clean my own mess, yes. Keep in mind that there appear to be others willing to struggle with Confluence migration (CWiki?). That makes me very happy! Anyone can reopen the issue: the problem I see is that it's basically only infra@ that can do this conversion: I have no idea if/how someone else can mirror the original information and assuming we can get a dump (which will likely be big) after running the conversion it has to be uploaded in the CWiki server for review. A problem to consider in contingency planning: What it means to lock down the current wiki during conversion. And is the MW kept running for read-only viewing while conversion takes place, either bit by bit or wholesale? Parallel live operation does not appear practical. It depends: if the conversion script is fast and we are not really editing our MW VM, I wouldn't worry about locking, specially just for a test conversion. If we see the test conversion could produce some workable result we could use a snapshot. I agree it will be tough but if we could rescue say 60% of the information, it would certainly be worth it. I think Confluence migration remains as a potentially-necessary Plan B or a potential following Plan A if needed for the long run. The analysis TerryE provided suggests that it won't be easy whenever it is done. I'm thinking it should not be done first if MW can be operated in the short term. I agree, there's just not anything I can personally do about it and this being about *doing* and not just proposing I felt it was a matter of honesty to close the issue :(. Pedro. -- --Matt
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
I've not forgotten about this, I'm planning to work on this soon. Though, how can I go about testing my template changes, do I need to go through the troubles and install my own BugZilla instance? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: thought so, but tried that the other day and it wasn't working. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen shot or a way I can see how the old bugzilla looked? is on the OOo site http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/ On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous look and feel. Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files provided by Oracle here: http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take the job (I am attaching his post). BTW why can we just attach the CSS to this version of BZ, since unless a major structural change happened between 3.2.10 I highly doubt that we could identify the new UI elements to make an adjustment to each dialog. I would therefore recomend to just add the CSS from this template and do some testing to try to identify issues and bug on the template for this new version. Otherwise it would be doing a lot of work that can be verified or duplicated. If someone would like this task please let the list know so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA cheers, Pedro. --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. Templates was one of the first things I got involved in with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates worked before I started. What is required is some folks that are willing to do the work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the custom templates and my initial impressions are: - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated - most changes are relatively simple - not all changes will be required On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail that isn't on the appropriate list. If you have a question for infrastructure: - use infrastruct...@apache.org; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode If there is something you need infrastructure to do - use Jira; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode (we may still ask you to file a Jira) If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure - e-mail r...@apache.org This conversation, for example, should be on infrastruct...@apache.org (cc'd) Cheers, Mark ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what we are talking about: http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt -- --Matt
Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]
Sure, I can set up Confluence on my own hardware. But what about getting the MW data dump to work with? On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: If you have a server, then you can always setup your own confluence for free, or buy a personal limited license for $10 for 10 users. Apache CWiki is on a version 3.4 while the current version is 3.5. See http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/try.jsp Atlassian has a sandbox as well: http://sandbox.onconfluence.com/display/ds/Plugins+Installed+on+this+Confluence+Site This link might help: http://www.atlassian.com/search/?query=mediawiki HTH, Dave On Sep 8, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Matt Richards wrote: Yeah, I've kinda ran into a similar problems when I originally volunteered to help. I don't know how to go about it, without access to various data dumps and such that it appears only Contributors/PPMC members have access to. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: --- On Thu, 9/8/11, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: ... I see you closed INFRA-3917. I like to clean my own mess, yes. Keep in mind that there appear to be others willing to struggle with Confluence migration (CWiki?). That makes me very happy! Anyone can reopen the issue: the problem I see is that it's basically only infra@ that can do this conversion: I have no idea if/how someone else can mirror the original information and assuming we can get a dump (which will likely be big) after running the conversion it has to be uploaded in the CWiki server for review. A problem to consider in contingency planning: What it means to lock down the current wiki during conversion. And is the MW kept running for read-only viewing while conversion takes place, either bit by bit or wholesale? Parallel live operation does not appear practical. It depends: if the conversion script is fast and we are not really editing our MW VM, I wouldn't worry about locking, specially just for a test conversion. If we see the test conversion could produce some workable result we could use a snapshot. I agree it will be tough but if we could rescue say 60% of the information, it would certainly be worth it. I think Confluence migration remains as a potentially-necessary Plan B or a potential following Plan A if needed for the long run. The analysis TerryE provided suggests that it won't be easy whenever it is done. I'm thinking it should not be done first if MW can be operated in the short term. I agree, there's just not anything I can personally do about it and this being about *doing* and not just proposing I felt it was a matter of honesty to close the issue :(. Pedro. -- --Matt -- --Matt
Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details on my Ubuntu 11.04 experience
Oh.. Yeah... I forgot when I attempted my initial configure I had to run it a few times and install some additional packages. Glad you were able to Document some of them. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wriote: I did this a couple of days ago, but ran into some issues that others had not come across, so I decided to repeat it. I wiped out the machine, and started fresh with new 11.04 Ubuntu machine. I tried to follow the build instructions literally and copied errors messages and remediations when I found them. == prep == Fresh install of Ubuntu 11.04 on x86, 1 GB RAM, 240 GB HD Ran update manager, installed all patches, rebooted == getting the code == We're on Subversion now, not Mercurial, so obviously that part of the instructions changes. svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk ooo That didn't work. Needed to apt-get install subversion first. Then code downloaded fine == build-dep == Instructions in the guide say to do: sudo apt-get build-dep openoffice.org But that finds 5 dependencies: The following NEW packages will be installed: debhelper html2text libmail-sendmail-perl libsys-hostname-long-perl po-debconf 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. However, if we do: sudo apt-get build-dep libreoffice Then we see a lot more. Sure there is a lot of mono junk we don't need, but it has most of what we do need. The following NEW packages will be installed: ant ant-optional appmenu-qt autoconf automake automoc autotools-dev bison bsd-mailx bsh bsh-gcj ca-certificates-java cli-common-dev comerr-dev dctrl-tools debhelper default-jdk default-jre default-jre-headless devscripts dmake docbook-xsl dput ecj ecj-gcj fastjar fdupes flex fontforge gcj-4.4-base gcj-4.4-jre-headless gcj-4.4-jre-lib gcj-4.5-base gcj-4.5-jdk gcj-4.5-jre gcj-4.5-jre-headless gcj-4.5-jre-lib gcj-jdk gcj-jre gcj-jre-headless gcj-native-helper gperf html2text icedtea-6-jre-cacao icedtea-6-jre-jamvm icedtea-netx icoutils imagemagick java-common javahelper . . . tzdata-java unixodbc unixodbc-dev virtuoso-minimal virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common wdiff x11proto-composite-dev x11proto-core-dev x11proto-damage-dev x11proto-fixes-dev x11proto-input-dev x11proto-kb-dev x11proto-randr-dev x11proto-record-dev x11proto-render-dev x11proto-xext-dev x11proto-xinerama-dev xorg-sgml-doctools xtrans-dev xulrunner-2.0 xulrunner-2.0-dev xulrunner-2.0-mozjs xulrunner-dev zlib1g-dev 0 upgraded, 477 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 328 MB of archives. But a problem.The install of postfix surfaces a configure UI that cannot apt-get of postfix appears to lock on configure UI that cannot be exited out of. At least not gracefully. Searched the web, this appears to be a known problem So abort the apt-get, install postfix via the Synaptic package manager and then rerun sudo apt-get build-dep libreoffice That runs to completion == configure == cd ooo/main That step is missing in the instructions. ./configure --disable-mozilla --with-junit=/usr/share/java/junit4.jar This required several iterations, as missing packages were identified: 1) pam_appl.h could not be found. libpam-dev or pam-devel missing sudo apt-get install libpam0g-dev 2) checking for external/unowinreg/unowinreg.dll... configure: WARNING: not found, will be cross-built using mingw32 configure: error: for rebuilding unowinreg.dll you need the mingw32 C++ compiler. Specify mingw32 g++ executable name with --with-mingwin. Or use prebuilt one from http://tools.openoffice.org/unowinreg_prebuild/680/ and put it into external/unowinreg 3) configure: error: requirements to build with librsvg support not met. Use --disable-librsvg or install the missing packages Escape this with: ./configure --disable-mozilla --with-junit=/usr/share/java/junit4.jar --disable-librsvg 4) configure: error: cannot find JUnit jjar; please install one in the default location (/usr/share/java), specify its pathname via --with-junit=..., or disable it via --without-junit apt-get install junit junit4 configure them runs to completion == bootstrap == ./bootstrap This is where I saw references to Hg still, with output like this: 24be19595acad0a2cae931af77a0148a-LICENSE_source-9.0.0.7-bj.html 2011-09-07 10:53:43 URL: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/binaries/24be19595acad0a2cae931af77a0148a-LICENSE_source-9.0.0.7-bj.html [20335/20335] - 24be19595acad0a2cae931af77a0148a-LICENSE_source-9.0.0.7-bj.html [1] 26b3e95ddf3d9c077c480ea45874b3b8-lp_solve_5.5.tar.gz 2011-09-07 10:53:44 URL: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/binaries/26b3e95ddf3d9c077c480ea45874b3b8-lp_solve_5.5.tar.gz [769268/769268http://hg.services.openoffice.org/binaries/26b3e95ddf3d9c077c480ea45874b3b8-lp_solve_5.5.tar.gz%0A[769268/769268] -
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen shot or a way I can see how the old bugzilla looked? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous look and feel. Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files provided by Oracle here: http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take the job (I am attaching his post). BTW why can we just attach the CSS to this version of BZ, since unless a major structural change happened between 3.2.10 I highly doubt that we could identify the new UI elements to make an adjustment to each dialog. I would therefore recomend to just add the CSS from this template and do some testing to try to identify issues and bug on the template for this new version. Otherwise it would be doing a lot of work that can be verified or duplicated. If someone would like this task please let the list know so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA cheers, Pedro. --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. Templates was one of the first things I got involved in with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates worked before I started. What is required is some folks that are willing to do the work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the custom templates and my initial impressions are: - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated - most changes are relatively simple - not all changes will be required On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail that isn't on the appropriate list. If you have a question for infrastructure: - use infrastruct...@apache.org; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode If there is something you need infrastructure to do - use Jira; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode (we may still ask you to file a Jira) If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure - e-mail r...@apache.org This conversation, for example, should be on infrastruct...@apache.org (cc'd) Cheers, Mark ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what we are talking about: http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
thought so, but tried that the other day and it wasn't working. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen shot or a way I can see how the old bugzilla looked? is on the OOo site http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/ On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous look and feel. Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files provided by Oracle here: http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take the job (I am attaching his post). BTW why can we just attach the CSS to this version of BZ, since unless a major structural change happened between 3.2.10 I highly doubt that we could identify the new UI elements to make an adjustment to each dialog. I would therefore recomend to just add the CSS from this template and do some testing to try to identify issues and bug on the template for this new version. Otherwise it would be doing a lot of work that can be verified or duplicated. If someone would like this task please let the list know so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA cheers, Pedro. --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. Templates was one of the first things I got involved in with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates worked before I started. What is required is some folks that are willing to do the work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the custom templates and my initial impressions are: - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated - most changes are relatively simple - not all changes will be required On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail that isn't on the appropriate list. If you have a question for infrastructure: - use infrastruct...@apache.org; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode If there is something you need infrastructure to do - use Jira; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode (we may still ask you to file a Jira) If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure - e-mail r...@apache.org This conversation, for example, should be on infrastruct...@apache.org (cc'd) Cheers, Mark ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what we are talking about: http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt
Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive
parts of it were not working so great for me yesterday, but that appears to have cleared up today. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: I dont experience any issue so far I have been using the site all day without lag. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Well - openoffice.org is not responsive. Everything is on hold again. Dave -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt
Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]
Well, whatever direction this goes.. Getting a the information on Apache grear is a great step. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Alexandro Colorado wrote: .. I also have not kept up with the discussion but reading Terry's comments there seem to be a very huge task to migrate out of Mediawiki. However then I see that due to lack of Mediawiki support - we are moving to Confluence. Isnt this exactly what Terry describe why would this be difficult to do? I also don't see any support for confluence products to match what mediawiki had. At least any solutions to keep the functionality for their content. Can you please explain how will you migrate addressing Terry's issues on migration? Please hold your horses. Terry is not here, he is in his way to Greece, and we are just exploring the few options that are left. Conversion from MW to confluence may be painful for us but hopefully would be much easier for infra@. (they haven't said anything about it yet but I am pretty sure exploring this will take time). Updating MW (which must be done for many good reasons, including security) would seem more logical but still has pain for both us and infra@. But Drew is still here and he is being coached. That said, please go ahead with your experiment. I recall your mentioning this idea in June. Regards, Dave Pedro. -- --Matt
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
As far as point 2, I thought Terry had completed the all of the migration work and all that was left was to create a final export and cut over the DNS entries? In my mind, if there is already a lot of content on the MW and the Apache Foundation allows us to continue to use it, why not? On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: Hmm ... It looks like I missed where the decision to use MediiaWiki and deprecate confluence was taken. I guess it was arranged with infra as long as MW is up to date and the extensions are documented. I am not complaining though: it sounds like lazy consensus in action plus we can always change mind later on and try the conversion script. Do you have a counter-argument? I think the factors are at play were: 1) We have a huge amount of content already in MediaWiki from the legacy project. Although it might be converted to Confluence, the effort would be large. on the other hand 2) MediaWiki was not supported by Apache Infrastructure and getting it supported and migrated would require a lot of admin work So far, it looks like the admin effort has made more progress than the translation effort. Maybe not a final decision, but that is how it looks to me today. -Rob Pedro. -- --Matt
Re: Catching up
I'm all for creating a separated documentation list.. I suppose using the [DOC] subject tag on this list would work as well, but then again you have to remember to use it.. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Wanda Phillips wetcoastwri...@me.com wrote: I've come over from the Open Office authors mailing list and but am finding the pace of discussion a tad overwhelming. I haven't had time to absorb what's going on in my own life, let alone on these lists. I'd like to work on the documentation in spite of the madness in my own life, but wading through the various threads has thinned my enthusiasm some. Hi Wanda, I agree, it is getting noisy. Do you have any ability to filter your emails by subject line? One thing would could do is ensure that all doc-related emails start with [DOC] in their subject lines. In many email clients you can define an inbox filtering rule to handle this pattern. Another option -- suggested by Jean in another thread -- is to create a separate list, ooo-doc, or ooo-docs or ooo-infodev for documentation-related threads. -Rob Wanda -- ...in order to understand the true nature of reality, we must realize that nothing ever really happens. Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso, Rinpoche, Sun of Wisdom (Shambhala Publications), 3-4. -- -- --Matt
Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
Things appear to be quite heated surrounding the forum transition area and I fear this is ultimately going to rip apart a very strong existing portion of the OOo community if it continues on the path its going. I thought a big part of the Apache way is building and sustaining a community surrounding the project as well as the project itself. But it appears the only way to become a contributor for the time being is to have a developer set of skills. Forums/support a long side with documentation require a completely different skill set.. I'd hope the ASF has some kind of way to acknowledge this level of work.
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
Yeah, publishing logs of the session is a great idea. Sure, its the most useful to be in on the session in real time, but that's not always possible. 2011/9/6 Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz Another lightweight alternative would be to start a new page on the community wiki and track the issues there: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home Again, the same idea. Lightweight approach to record the issues, then dispose of them later. As the first thing we should collect and then publish the log of the session... -- Pavel Janík -- --Matt
Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
I totally agree, cool heads is the best way to make any quality decisions. I apologise about my misinterpretation of the committer role within Apache, glad to know it is not simply consistent of developer roles. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Matt Richards wrote: Things appear to be quite heated surrounding the forum transition area and I fear this is ultimately going to rip apart a very strong existing portion of the OOo community if it continues on the path its going. Cool heads will need to prevail. I thought a big part of the Apache way is building and sustaining a community surrounding the project as well as the project itself. A few have been strongly passionate, these individuals need to keep their cool and slow down. But it appears the only way to become a contributor for the time being is to have a developer set of skills. Forums/support a long side with documentation require a completely different skill set.. I'd hope the ASF has some kind of way to acknowledge this level of work. We have added committers and PPMC members precisely because they had a history with OOo supporting either the forums, wikis, or website. Being a Committer is someone who is Committed to the project. That is more than coding. My path to being voted onto the Apache POI PMC was through providing various support to the community including answering question on the user list. There will be a proposal coming and we'll see what happens. Best Regards, Dave -- --Matt
Re: Real names (was: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project)
I for one can agree with this. There are some communities where I personally want to separate my real identity from my online identity for privacy reasons. Usually its because I don't trust that particular community or that community for historical reasons knows me by my online identity instead of my real name. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I think this thread was split off in response to Eric wanting to know Hagar's real name. It doesn't matter what that question was about. There was, however, a nice post and new thread providing an interesting situation with pseudonyms being used by folks who have registered iCLAs and who might become committers, etc. It can be arranged that the real name (required on an iCLA) need not be how a person is identified anywhere here. No one is insisting that RGB ES (rgb.m...@gmail.com) go by any other identification here. But if RGB happened to have an iCLA on file and wanted to contribute some code, there would need to be a way to match up the persona identification in the list post with the iCLA on file. Likewise, if RGB were a member of the PPMC, and a vote was conducted here on this list, the PPMC would need a way to confirm that to be a binding (and non-duplicated) vote from a PPMC member. (Note: Committers have Apache User Name/IDs, so it works really well to use those for official business. But even those don't have to have anything to do with real names. You could look up the user name on the public list and the pseudonym could appear there. My Apache User Name/ID is orcmid and I do use orc...@apache.org here from time to time. I have my real name show on posts, too, but I don't *have* to do that.) Whether or not the use of real names, or a real name being known somehow, improves behavior is an interesting question but the places where a real name is *necessary* isn't related to that, it seems to me. I think the implication is this. If I use my real name, then my behavior is public, along with what people say about me. Since I, like most people, use my real name with my employer and on my CV, that ties everything together. Someone who does not do that can separate their real-world identity from their online identity. This might allow a politically oppressed dissident to participate on the list. But it also allows someone to flame with impunity. If they lose their reputation, they can just come back tomorrow with another pseudonym. - Dennis -Original Message- From: RGB ES [mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 07:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Real names (was: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project) 2011/9/6 Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org: There are a lot of differences between how Apache projects are managed and how OOo services have been managed in the past. This is one where the actual policies seem to be very similar; however the normal practice is very different. At Apache, anyone who signs an iCLA [1] must provide the ASF with their real name. This is to ensure that the ASF knows specifically who is signing the document. Signing an iCLA is a required before anyone can become a voted in as a committer. When you sign an iCLA, you may optionally specify a Public name, which is what Apache displays as public information associated with your Apache id (if/when you get one). Thus by policy, Apache allows contributors to maintain a public pseudonym, although officially Apache does need to know (privately) your real name. That's OK. In terms of actual practice, please note that very few committers at Apache use a public pseudonym like this. More than 98% of our committers use their real name, and most of them sign their real names in most emails. That's maybe a cultural difference, not necessarily a need to hide a real identity. In my case, I do not feel that my real name, selected by my parents forty two years ago represent me better that my (i.e., /selected by me/) usual pseudonym: I chose to be RGB when I put my signature to a drawing more than twenty five years ago for several reasons that identify me as an unique person. In a sense I'm more RGB than I can be Ricardo. I understand that in order to be part of an organization you need to provide a legal name, but for communication I do not think it is important, as far as you can identify the person without doubts. When I write my opinions, does it matter if my surname have Latin, mid east, African, Saxon roots...? Does it matter my gender? I think the answer for both questions is no. In terms of flames and spam, this generally works fine for Apache committers. In terms of community, this allows your
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
Well, I thought Terry has resigned from the project according to another thread, leaving the wiki migration at a bit of a stand still. Figured I could step in and pick up where he left off on this. Am I able to, as a non-contributor reach out to Apache Infra on this (from what I read it seems the infra ML are for existing contributors only)? Not sure who all is involved at this point. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: My understanding that it really is a test build and it has *not* been maintained in synchronization with the OpenOffice.org operating version. So if that system started to be used as a production instance separate from OpenOffice.org, it would be a fork and there would be some issues with that. The plan was to put the existing wiki into read only and then do a final export. That export would be used to build the final ooo-wiki. The next step is to change the DNS. Once DNS is complete branding changes will be made. Also, I don't believe that would be an acceptable arrangement for Apache Infrastructure, for important operational reasons. Someone from there can explain the rules for having a MediaWiki server being sustained. Terry has said he will finish the work. It is possible that Drew can do it. I know that Terry was documenting everything for Infrastructure. Perhaps you should ask infra what they will require given the events of the last days. I also wonder what moderation and administrative situation exists on the Wiki and if there is any overlap beyond Terry and Drew between these two groups. Regards, Dave PS. A lot of us are older, let's have some consideration for other's health and stress levels. I totally understand real life/health needs to come before any of these types of projects. No problem. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Matt Richards [mailto:mricha...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?) As far as point 2, I thought Terry had completed the all of the migration work and all that was left was to create a final export and cut over the DNS entries? In my mind, if there is already a lot of content on the MW and the Apache Foundation allows us to continue to use it, why not? On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: Hmm ... It looks like I missed where the decision to use MediiaWiki and deprecate confluence was taken. I guess it was arranged with infra as long as MW is up to date and the extensions are documented. I am not complaining though: it sounds like lazy consensus in action plus we can always change mind later on and try the conversion script. Do you have a counter-argument? I think the factors are at play were: 1) We have a huge amount of content already in MediaWiki from the legacy project. Although it might be converted to Confluence, the effort would be large. on the other hand 2) MediaWiki was not supported by Apache Infrastructure and getting it supported and migrated would require a lot of admin work So far, it looks like the admin effort has made more progress than the translation effort. Maybe not a final decision, but that is how it looks to me today. -Rob Pedro. -- --Matt -- --Matt
Re: Proposal: Forum integration
The way I'd like to think it should work is the Administrators join as PMC and the Moderators are simply contributors. I don't think it should be a requirement for Moderators to be part of the the PMC as well. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: Drew, My only real question is regarding the moderators needing to be part of the PMC - I'm not at all sure I see that need. I'm wondering if there is a particular action or actions that you feel triggers this as a requirement? No, i was just guessing. If the moderation should not join as pmc - are they committers then? And who actually would join the PMC? -- --Matt
Re: [Introduction] Getting involved with Apache OOo
Thanks for the information. I've signed up on the users ML, though that does not appear to be that active just yet. I've not bothered to signup on any of the older existing MLs as I figure those will eventually disappear. I've given a quick glance at the current incubator website thus far. Have not dug real deep into the project migration information on the wiki (only a little bit on the wiki/forums). Still struggling a little bit here and there with learning the Apache way of things, digging around as much as I can before I bother people with questions.. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome. I'm bringing this thread back as I've been a little more active recently and am a new name around OOo and Apache. Some may have missed the initial post as there has been a lot of emails going through this list. Wanted to add that I've got experince with MedaWiki as well as various forum software out there (at least the administration side). Nice to have you here, Matt. You might take a read at some of the material up on our Podling website [1]. It has information about the project, decision making, how to work with the website, source control, mailing lists, wikis, etc. We have more stuff which needs to be migrated as well. You can see a fuller plan on the wiki [2] Your support and QA skills would certainly valued on this project. Are you signed up for the ooo-users list as well [3]? Regards, -Rob [1] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Transition+Planning [3] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Matt Richards wrote: Greetings, I have been using OOo for quite some time (its been my fall back if I'm not able to use Microsoft's suite [mostly on Linux and Mac]) and am very pleased seeing it become an Apache project. While, I've not really been part of the OOo community until I heard it has been accepted into the incubator (I been lurking on the general list, [stuck around after another project I've been following got accepted into the incubator]), I'm quite interested in helping this project in anyway shape or form that my skill set is able to do so (time is also key factor). I do not have much in the way of development skill set, my primary background is in customer service, with a little bit of qa testing and a bit of linux server administration. Anyhow, I mostly wanted to introduce myself and welcome the project [Yea, I know it a bit on the late side.. I'm more of a lurker]. I've been reading a few of the discussion threads so far, very pleased with the way things are heading at this time. Thanks for reading, please let me know if I can help in shape or form at this stage. Hi Matt, If you have seen some of the threads you should know that we do what we can. Pick an item that needs doing and do it. The idea is to lead by doing. You know your skill set better than anyone here ever would. Welcome to the group. Andy -- --Matt -- --Matt
Re: Proposal: Forum integration
To me, this sounds like a good path to follow. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:56 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:15 -0400, drew wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 19:23 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Hello, we have spoken much - now its time to outline what needs to be done. I have started a Wiki page with that: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project Lets bring the talk into shapes. Thanks for that Christian. sorry - a double post. My only real question is regarding the moderators needing to be part of the PMC - I'm not at all sure I see that need. just to be clear - although I would encourage mod's to be in the PMC my question is about making it a hard requirement. I'd think of it this way: We don't want a stranger to walk off the street and be immediately a moderator, right? Of course not - why do you think folks would want that? It requires some level of vetting. Sure - A moderator can ban users, Not necessarily - there is the a very granular rights system in play - not everyone with the moderator colors on their user name have the same access levels. Hagar has a higher level then most, if not all, of the other moderators for instance. they can kick real people off the boards if they do not like their behavior. So it is a position of authority. A Moderator is an important role with real influence. They, through their decisions, help set the tone of the forum and represent the public face of Apache OpenOffice. So, it is very easy to setup a system where a 'standard' moderator can do x but not y - in this case can not actually ban a user - they see spam, they remove it, which automatically makes the post visible to admins and the admin's can handle the actual banning, if so warranted. This is good to know. That essentially creates super-moderators and normal moderators. Is there anything else like this? I mean is there a short list of permission sets like this, or is it really an eclectic mix of permissions that have been assigned to individuals over time and few moderators actually have the same identical permissions? no - normally this is all done at the group level - I gave you the one exception I know off (understand my memory can be faulty at times) - again when I say something is possible it is a mistake to believe this means it is being widely used, it only means that it is possible. Thanks. So would something like this work: Site admins must be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC, with actual site admin assignment made by Infra. In other words, only Infra has the skeleton key. Forum admins must be also be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC. The actual rights assignment could be done by a site admin, not involving Infra? Moderators/Volunteers selected by the forum participants: 1) According to written rules which are publicly posted and approved by the PPMC 2) Rules shall allow any PPMC member or Mentor to become a moderator or admin on request 3) Changes to such rules require approval by the PPMC 4) No PPMC approval required for new modertors/volunteers 5) But no moderator has ban rights unless also a PPMC member That avoids any PPMC review except for new Admins, and for the Admin/Moderator rules which your draft yourselves among the forum volunteers //drew snip -- --Matt
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
Yeah, that's what I figure as well. I do not expect anything further from Terry unfortunately. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: My senses of his last post is that it is his final post. That's the one sent on the Re: What is needed for Support Forums ... thread at 2011-09-06T04:39Z ending with Hence this email is my last involvement in Apache and the Forums. No more work. [ ... ] Five last words: Goodbye and good luck, Terry -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:20 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?) On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Matt Richards wrote: Well, I thought Terry has resigned from the project according to another thread, leaving the wiki migration at a bit of a stand still. As he did it he said he would finish his list, but whether he actually does so is irrelevant to future support. The project will need more than one person able to admin these VMs in infrastructure. [ ... ] -- --Matt
Re: threading
As far as I know, only Outlook 2010 and above fully supports threading.. At least by default. 2007 might have support, but I don't personally have a copy of it to check.
Re: threading
Ah, interesting. I must have turned it on. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: It apparently was not on by default on this system. Outlook 2010 was installed de nova on a brand new Windows 7 system that only had Microsoft Office Starter Edition pre-installed. This particular view of things is essentially the one I have had since Outlook 98, although with many refinements since. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Matt Richards [mailto:mricha...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:44 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: threading As far as I know, only Outlook 2010 and above fully supports threading.. At least by default. 2007 might have support, but I don't personally have a copy of it to check. -- --Matt
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
I am in the same boat; attempting to step in and aid as he's left. Dunno what thread contains this information, there's a lot to go through. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again-- Uh...any possibility you could dig up this e-mail of procedures and wiki-ize it? Or maybe I could go looking for it and get this done tomorrow assuming I could make sense of it. groan Truthfully I hadn't been keeping up with Terry's posts. I did see he was leaving but didn't know when, and well...confusion. It is truly critical to finalize the wiki cut-over -- the sooner the better in my mind. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Terry had prepared an analysis of what is involved here somewhere. It was a pretty long e-mail with decision points and also previous e-mails on what was required. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro F. Giffuni [mailto:giffu...@tutopia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?) Hello; I have not been to involved with that process lately but my understanding is: - Infra requires a update to recent version of the MediaWiki software. - It would be preferable to have no hacks or no non-standard extensions. - They want to have documentation concerning the maintenance of the system. Additionally they would prefer to use a FreeBSD jail, but this is not mandatory. I was considering stepping in for this last issue but I have no MediaWiki expertise and having me as another guy learning is probably not helpful at this time. Pedro. --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: ... Well, I thought Terry has resigned from the project according to another thread, leaving the wiki migration at a bit of a stand still. Figured I could step in and pick up where he left off on this. Am I able to, as a non-contributor reach out to Apache Infra on this (from what I read it seems the infra ML are for existing contributors only)? Not sure who all is involved at this point. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: My understanding that it really is a test build and it has *not* been maintained in synchronization with the OpenOffice.org operating version. So if that system started to be used as a production instance separate from OpenOffice.org, it would be a fork and there would be some issues with that. The plan was to put the existing wiki into read only and then do a final export. That export would be used to build the final ooo-wiki. The next step is to change the DNS. Once DNS is complete branding changes will be made. Also, I don't believe that would be an acceptable arrangement for Apache Infrastructure, for important operational reasons. Someone from there can explain the rules for having a MediaWiki server being sustained. Terry has said he will finish the work. It is possible that Drew can do it. I know that Terry was documenting everything for Infrastructure. Perhaps you should ask infra what they will require given the events of the last days. I also wonder what moderation and administrative situation exists on the Wiki and if there is any overlap beyond Terry and Drew between these two groups. Regards, Dave PS. A lot of us are older, let's have some consideration for other's health and stress levels. I totally understand real life/health needs to come before any of these types of projects. No problem. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Matt Richards [mailto:mricha...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?) As far as point 2, I thought Terry had completed the all of the migration work and all that was left was to create a final export and cut over the DNS entries? In my mind, if there is already a lot of content on the MW and the Apache Foundation allows us to continue to use it, why not? On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: Hmm ... It looks like I missed where the decision to use MediiaWiki and deprecate confluence was taken. I guess it was arranged with infra as long as MW is up to date and the extensions are documented. I am not complaining though
Re: Observations and a suggestion on posts and timezones
Seems so, its pretty incredible the amount of time I've spent responding to emails on this list. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:34 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 18:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Recently, my day has looked like this: I wake up, check my email, get a flurry of new posts from project members in Europe. Since I'm reading them all at once, I naturally respond to them all at once. This of course causes everyone in Europe to get a flurry if emails from me. A few hours later, Dennis, out in Seattle, wakes up, reads his email and sees a bunch of emails from me, responding to a bunch of emails from Europe. Like me (presumably), he reads them all at once and responds. Then, at the end of my afternoon, Jean, in Australia, wakes up, checks her email, and sees a mess, and starts responding. Presumably those in Europe see these posts, plus any late posts from Dennis, a few hours later, and then we repeat. I assume this perception is not mine alone, and happens to others, in different orderings, depending on your time zone. We can't repeal timezones, of course. ROFL - welcome to OpenOffice.org and the global village...it's a challenge isn't it. snip Best wishes, //drew -- --Matt
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
Totally willing to help with LAMP administration. :-) On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:46 PM, drew wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 19:05 -0400, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/6/2011 18:03, drew wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 17:30 -0400, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/6/2011 13:43, Matt Richards wrote: Well, I thought Terry has resigned from the project according to another thread, leaving the wiki migration at a bit of a stand still. Figured I could step in and pick up where he left off on this. Am I able to, as a non-contributor reach out to Apache Infra on this (from what I read it seems the infra ML are for existing contributors only)? Not sure who all is involved at this point. As Pedro commented, you don't need a newbie to help with the conversion. But in the long run, I volunteer to learn whatever is needed to support the MW system. All I have to offer is that I am a sysop on the live wiki, You have root level access to the current box in Hamburg? Thanks, //drew Sorry, no. Drat AFAIK, only Clayton had that (and possibly other Bureaucrats; I see Terry's name on that list, and Andrew Rist, as well.) Yes Terry had that level of access and I assume Andrew does (note the word assume there) I needed to pass this along also - I received a call from Terry earlier today and he walked me through the current status on his migration work, open issues and concerns (technical concerns only). I am glad that this occurred. Most all of us appreciate the handoff. One good thing is that is appears my email to the Network admins in Hamburg 2 years ago to turn off my access to the server running the forums there was never acted upon - so as soon as I dig out my keys for that service from a backup I'll be giving that a try - hopefully that is the case. On the wiki there is a sizable amount of work left to do on the staging server including email integration for both VMs (wiki/forum) for one, and issues from the upgrade to the latest version of MW causing problems with many of the 44 mods the service was using...oh fun. H e gave me some clues on where the documentation he created for the Infra guys is in SVN and he is working on a more detailed hand off document which will be emailed to us - but that is not likely till this weekend given some already scheduled commitments has tomorrow and the next day. I saw a commit of a doc move over in infrastructure. Last he was doing had to do with email integration he had found the documents with Gavin's help. I think that document is coming to me - if so, as soon as I get it I'll forward that directly here. I see Pedro has already asked on the Infra mailing list to try that MW to Confluence conversion script...haven't seen a response on that request yet. We may want to try a limited test first, but I am not keen on tossing out Terry's efforts. It is my hope that we will have more volunteers with LAMP experience to help sysadmin these servers. Regards, Dave I suspect that root access is a separate thing from wiki group rights. I believe so, yes. OK - as soon as I know more, everyone will... //drew -- --Matt
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
I'm willing to give this a healthy try, if nobody else beats me to it. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous look and feel. Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files provided by Oracle here: http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take the job (I am attaching his post). If someone would like this task please let the list know so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA cheers, Pedro. --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. Templates was one of the first things I got involved in with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates worked before I started. What is required is some folks that are willing to do the work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the custom templates and my initial impressions are: - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated - most changes are relatively simple - not all changes will be required On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail that isn't on the appropriate list. If you have a question for infrastructure: - use infrastruct...@apache.org; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode If there is something you need infrastructure to do - use Jira; or - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode (we may still ask you to file a Jira) If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure - e-mail r...@apache.org This conversation, for example, should be on infrastruct...@apache.org (cc'd) Cheers, Mark ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what we are talking about: http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html -- --Matt
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
Now that I've built OpenOffice on Linux with moderate success, I'd like to lend a helping hand with the documentation side of things. As far as I am aware, the existing (maybe old now) wiki has been migrated to Apache Infra (via VM). Does this content need to be moved to the confluence wikis eventually? I do apologies if this is off topic, there's been so much discussion going on proving difficult to follow everything all the way through.
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
My build machine runs Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) with a 64 bit kernel. To get the deps needed to build OOo, I used apt-get build-dep on LibreOffice package (as this is what Ubuntu is packaged with at this time) I figured they're still fairly similar. I did need to install the ccache package separately. I passed configure nothing special (followed the wiki's directions). Below is roughly what I did to get it building, (I am going from memory here. Dug around my command history to see what I did). svn co ... path/to/source cd path/to/source ./configure ./bootstrap mkdir /path/to/ccache/dir source ./LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh export CCACHE_DIR=/path/to/ccache/dir ccache -M 2G -F 10 export CXX=ccache g++ export CC=ccache gcc build -P8 --all (my build box is a Quad Core, with 6 GB Ram) About an hour later, maybe two. I followed the wiki's instructions to confirm my build worked (didn't do a whole lot of testing), and it did. These are more some notes, needs some polish before it ends up as anything official in my opinion. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: Now that I've built OpenOffice on Linux with moderate success, I'd like to lend a helping hand with the documentation side of things. As far as I am aware, the existing (maybe old now) wiki has been migrated to Apache Infra (via VM). Does this content need to be moved to the confluence wikis eventually? I do apologies if this is off topic, there's been so much discussion going on proving difficult to follow everything all the way through. Excellent. What distro where you using? And what configure flags? For the sake of this exercise we should probably track, on a wiki page (confluence community wiki is fine) what combinations we're trying and what corrections we'll want to make in the build instructions. It is not clear yet where the build instructions will finally end up living, but we don't need to solve that problem quite yet. -Rob -- --Matt
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
Eric, You're right I did leave out the bit about instsetoo_native, figured I missed something. Thanks for the heads up about parallel building, I'm sure that'll speed up the build time here. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 5:40 PM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi Matt, Le 6 sept. 11 à 00:34, Matt Richards a écrit : My build machine runs Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) with a 64 bit kernel. To get the deps needed to build OOo, I used apt-get build-dep on LibreOffice package (as this is what Ubuntu is packaged with at this time) I figured they're still fairly similar. I did need to install the ccache package separately. I passed configure nothing special (followed the wiki's directions). Below is roughly what I did to get it building, (I am going from memory here. Dug around my command history to see what I did). svn co ... path/to/source cd path/to/source ./configure ./bootstrap mkdir /path/to/ccache/dir source ./LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh export CCACHE_DIR=/path/to/ccache/**dir ccache -M 2G -F 10 export CXX=ccache g++ export CC=ccache gcc build -P8 --all (my build box is a Quad Core, with 6 GB Ram) If you use build, you are in instsetoo_native, aren't you ? (else dmake from $SRC_ROOT ) Tip : for a Quad core, I'd suggest you to use parallel build (supposing it will not break): cd instsetoo_native build --all -P6 -- -P6 -- -P6 -- -P6 Explanation : -- to separate every core, 6 tasks per core. Don't forget to use upper case (else it won't work) Regards, Eric -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/Education_**Projecthttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/**index.php/Main_Pagehttp://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news -- --Matt
Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
One lurking question (suppose its also a decision) is content wise is there a plan to transition the content on the current OO.org wiki over to confluence? I'm gathering there are some licensing/community related issues with doing so. But it seems kind of redundant/confusing to have two wikis for one project. I thought OOOUsers would contain similar information to what is now on the OpenOffice.org wiki? On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: [I am *intentionally* breaking this thread off of the building OOo one] The OpenOffice.org wiki version reachable on Apache OOo is a test instance and has not been kept synchronized with the OpenOffice.org master as far as I know. Changes there will be lost when we do a production cut-over. (We have not staged a cut-over and staging is not defined yet.) It is a MediaWiki though. If you have updates that would work on the OpenOffice.org instance, I recommend that you make them there. If you want to help with the definition and staging of the cut-over, it might be useful to record your thoughts on OOOUSER in conjunction with Kay Schenk's matrix at M https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OOo-to-ASF-site-recommendation . Finally, at the hands-on level, I believe Terry would welcome more assistance. You wouldn't happen to know how to administer and preserve the OO.o Mailing List system would you? [Private joke [;) but I wish it weren't] - Dennis -Original Message- From: Matt Richards [mailto:mricha...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 13:49 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? Now that I've built OpenOffice on Linux with moderate success, I'd like to lend a helping hand with the documentation side of things. As far as I am aware, the existing (maybe old now) wiki has been migrated to Apache Infra (via VM). Does this content need to be moved to the confluence wikis eventually? I do apologies if this is off topic, there's been so much discussion going on proving difficult to follow everything all the way through. -- --Matt
Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux
I'm interested in lending a hand where I can, as I've been able to get OOo to build on Linux (64bit).. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: This is what we had in http://education.openoffice.org including the classrooms. There is also the getting started guide for development. Please have a look on the wiki. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: The blog post is up: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_org_developer_education Please pass along the info wherever you think it would find interest. I've stuck it on Twitter, Facebook and Google Plus. Are there any legacy OOo lists where there might be interest? -Rob -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 -- --Matt
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
Hey Rob, I am interested in building A OOo from the ground up. I've been using it for years, but never attempted to build it myself. I run a verity of operating systems, suppose I'm interested in Windows (both x86 and x64) and Linux, more more specific Debian/Ubuntu (also both x86 and x64). On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have already jumped on the new code repository and started making improvements. But I see we have 214 people subscribed to the mailing list, including many who were not previously working on OOo code. This is great. Growing the community to bring in new developers is key to the success of the project. Do any of you want to get an AOOo dev environment set up, so you can build OpenOffice? If so, please respond to this note, and state what operating system you are interested in building on. Based on this information, we can have a discussion on how best to get you up to speed, whether via QA on this list, via IRC chat, a phone conference or maybe even a virtual machine image. -Rob -- --Matt
Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.08.11 21:24, schrieb Rob Weir: We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have already jumped on the new code repository and started making improvements. Pavel has already build AOOo succsfull on a Mac, and I tryed it... but crash my Mac with a terrible command line typo ;-) I will reinstall it in the next days, and try it again. But I see we have 214 people subscribed to the mailing list, including many who were not previously working on OOo code. This is great. Growing the community to bring in new developers is key to the success of the project. Do any of you want to get an AOOo dev environment set up, so you can build OpenOffice? If so, please respond to this note, and state what operating system you are interested in building on. Based on this information, we can have a discussion on how best to get you up to speed, whether via QA on this list, via IRC chat, a phone conference or maybe even a virtual machine image. Virtual Image you can only use for Free OS. We use IRC to solve build problemes. In the last days there was also more traffic on #dev.openoffice.org on freenode. So it would be great to see more developer there. I was thinking it might be good to put a focus on this. For example, pick one day when everyone who wants to get started on Mac builds will work on that. We coordinate in advance with Pavel, so he is available on IRC that day. We have a thread so we can discuss and compare notes. The end result of that day (or maybe 72 hours) is everyone who wants to build with Mac has done it. And we have a set of enhancements/corrections that we can feed back into the build documentation, if anything was wrong or unclear. Then, on another day, we do Debian, and on another day we do Windows, BSD, etc. This sounds like a good idea to me. Greetings Raphael -Rob -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ -- --Matt
[Introduction] Getting involved with Apache OOo
Greetings, I have been using OOo for quite some time (its been my fall back if I'm not able to use Microsoft's suite [mostly on Linux and Mac]) and am very pleased seeing it become an Apache project. While, I've not really been part of the OOo community until I heard it has been accepted into the incubator (I been lurking on the general list, [stuck around after another project I've been following got accepted into the incubator]), I'm quite interested in helping this project in anyway shape or form that my skill set is able to do so (time is also key factor). I do not have much in the way of development skill set, my primary background is in customer service, with a little bit of qa testing and a bit of linux server administration. Anyhow, I mostly wanted to introduce myself and welcome the project [Yea, I know it a bit on the late side.. I'm more of a lurker]. I've been reading a few of the discussion threads so far, very pleased with the way things are heading at this time. Thanks for reading, please let me know if I can help in shape or form at this stage. -- --Matt
