Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Hi Diane, No, proximity in Evergreen is different than geographic proximity. It is the proximity each org unit has to each other in the Evergreen hierarchy. As an example, a branch that's in the same system as your library will have closer proximity than a branch in another library system. As a result, the branches in your system will fill holds before they look for one in another system. There are ways in Evergreen to adjust proximity for holds if you need the holds to fill a little differently. There is a longer explanation of how proximity works and how it can be adjusted for holds at http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/3.0/_org_unit_proximity_adjustments.html Kathy On 11/29/2017 10:20 AM, Diane Disbro wrote: What is this “proximity” that people are talking about? I have been told that Evergreen doesn’t recognize geography. Are proximity and geography the same thing? *Diane Disbro* Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 636-583-3224 ddis...@scenicregional.org <mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> www.scenicregional.org *From:*Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Stompro *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:58 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Hello Scott, we do resource share. One of our systems is 3x larger than the other, so the smaller system uses age hold protection on their new items to keep them home for a while. Otherwise we were seeing 4x more holds placed by the larger system which was pulling a disproportionate share of new material from the smaller system. The smaller system also recently decided to use FIFO vs proximity for their holds, while the larger system is sticking with check-in proximity priority. Most of the highly sought after items that have lots of holds are new items in our experience, so the smaller system that is using FIFO will only fill their own customers holds in FIFO order until the age hold protection expires. Once it expires then there is a chance that the larger system’s holds will get priority if they are older than the remaining smaller systems holds. We don’t know if that is going to be a problem in actual usage yet. Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director *From:*Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director *PaILS / SPARK* (717) 873-9461 scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> *From:*Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Diane Disbro *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org <mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org <mailto:evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org>> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org <mailto:stomp...@exchange.larl.org>> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate eit
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
On 11/29/2017 10:20 AM, Diane Disbro wrote: > What is this “proximity” that people are talking about? I have been told > that Evergreen doesn’t recognize geography. Are proximity and geography > the same thing? Proximity is calculated based on the organizational unit tree. You can determine proximity of two locations by starting at one, then counting up the tree by parents to the common ancestor, and then counting down to the second location. There is also a table where you can adjust relative proximity. You can make two locations seem to be closer to each other than they actually are. > > > > *Diane Disbro* > > Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 308 Hawthorne Drive > > Union, MO 63084 > > 636-583-3224 > > ddis...@scenicregional.org <mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> > > www.scenicregional.org > > > > > > *From:*Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf > Of *Josh Stompro > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:58 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold > queue and potential copies > > > > Hello Scott, we do resource share. One of our systems is 3x larger than > the other, so the smaller system uses age hold protection on their new > items to keep them home for a while. Otherwise we were seeing 4x more > holds placed by the larger system which was pulling a disproportionate > share of new material from the smaller system. The smaller system also > recently decided to use FIFO vs proximity for their holds, while the > larger system is sticking with check-in proximity priority. > > > > Most of the highly sought after items that have lots of holds are new > items in our experience, so the smaller system that is using FIFO will > only fill their own customers holds in FIFO order until the age hold > protection expires. Once it expires then there is a chance that the > larger system’s holds will get priority if they are older than the > remaining smaller systems holds. We don’t know if that is going to be a > problem in actual usage yet. > > > > Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director > > > > *From:*Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf > Of *scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold > queue and potential copies > > > > Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium > is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a > consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, > but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource > share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? > > Thank you, > Scott > > > > > > Scott Thomas > > Executive Director > > *PaILS / SPARK* > > (717) 873-9461 > > scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> > > Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide > Library System <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> > > > > > > > > *From:*Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf > Of *Diane Disbro > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > <mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>; ME list serv > <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org > <mailto:evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org>> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold > queue and potential copies > > > > I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this > other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their > online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait > weeks or months to get it. > > > > Thank you, Josh, for asking. > > > Diane Disbro > > Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 308 Hawthorne Drive > > Union, MO 63084 > > (636) 583-3224 > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro > <stomp...@exchange.larl.org <mailto:stomp...@exchange.larl.org>> wrote: > > Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best > hold selecti
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
What is this “proximity” that people are talking about? I have been told that Evergreen doesn’t recognize geography. Are proximity and geography the same thing? Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 636-583-3224 <mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> ddis...@scenicregional.org www.scenicregional.org From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Josh Stompro Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:58 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Hello Scott, we do resource share. One of our systems is 3x larger than the other, so the smaller system uses age hold protection on their new items to keep them home for a while. Otherwise we were seeing 4x more holds placed by the larger system which was pulling a disproportionate share of new material from the smaller system. The smaller system also recently decided to use FIFO vs proximity for their holds, while the larger system is sticking with check-in proximity priority. Most of the highly sought after items that have lots of holds are new items in our experience, so the smaller system that is using FIFO will only fill their own customers holds in FIFO order until the age hold protection expires. Once it expires then there is a chance that the larger system’s holds will get priority if they are older than the remaining smaller systems holds. We don’t know if that is going to be a problem in actual usage yet. Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of scott.tho...@sparkpa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director PaILS / SPARK (717) 873-9461 <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <tel:(218)%20233-3757> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <tel:(218)%20790-2110>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Hello Scott, we do resource share. One of our systems is 3x larger than the other, so the smaller system uses age hold protection on their new items to keep them home for a while. Otherwise we were seeing 4x more holds placed by the larger system which was pulling a disproportionate share of new material from the smaller system. The smaller system also recently decided to use FIFO vs proximity for their holds, while the larger system is sticking with check-in proximity priority. Most of the highly sought after items that have lots of holds are new items in our experience, so the smaller system that is using FIFO will only fill their own customers holds in FIFO order until the age hold protection expires. Once it expires then there is a chance that the larger system’s holds will get priority if they are older than the remaining smaller systems holds. We don’t know if that is going to be a problem in actual usage yet. Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of scott.tho...@sparkpa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director PaILS / SPARK (717) 873-9461 scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> [Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System]<http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org<mailto:evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org<mailto:stomp...@exchange.larl.org>> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org<http://larl.org> Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139<tel:(218)%20233-3757> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110<tel:(218)%20790-2110>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Mike, Thank you for that clear explanation. It does indeed make sense. Scott From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:52 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Scott, It's not that you can't have a hybrid, but that FIFO sites will end up getting their holds prioritized over proximity-based sites if there is resource sharing between them, all else being equal, as FIFO only cares about request time and proximity cares about "closeness". Having just one or the other in use means nobody gets the short end of the stick. HTH, -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Open Library Initiative | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@equinoxinitiative.org<mailto:mi...@equinoxinitiative.org> | web: http://equinoxinitiative.org On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>> wrote: Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director PaILS / SPARK (717) 873-9461<tel:(717)%20873-9461> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> [Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System]<http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org<mailto:evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive<https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> Union, MO <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> 63084<https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> (636) 583-3224<tel:(636)%20583-3224> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org<mailto:stomp...@exchange.larl.org>> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org<http://larl.org> Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139<tel:(218)%20233-3757> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110<tel:(218)%20790-2110>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
My library has nine branches but we told the ILS that we are all in the same building. That way, age protected items will be FIFO to all of the patrons in our nine branches. Anything without age protection is FIFO throughout our resource sharing consortium. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 636-583-3224 <mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> ddis...@scenicregional.org www.scenicregional.org From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of scott.tho...@sparkpa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director PaILS / SPARK (717) 873-9461 <mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <tel:(218)%20233-3757> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <tel:(218)%20790-2110>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Scott, It's not that you can't have a hybrid, but that FIFO sites will end up getting their holds prioritized over proximity-based sites if there is resource sharing between them, all else being equal, as FIFO only cares about request time and proximity cares about "closeness". Having just one or the other in use means nobody gets the short end of the stick. HTH, -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Open Library Initiative | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@equinoxinitiative.org | web: http://equinoxinitiative.org On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org < scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote: > Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is > all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium > plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears > some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or > do not do so beyond the local library system? > > Thank you, > Scott > > > > > > Scott Thomas > > Executive Director > > *PaILS / SPARK* > > (717) 873-9461 > > scott.tho...@sparkpa.org > > [image: Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's > Statewide Library System] <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general- > boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Diane Disbro > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list. > georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold > queue and potential copies > > > > I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other > than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online > account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or > months to get it. > > > > Thank you, Josh, for asking. > > > Diane Disbro > > Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 308 Hawthorne Drive > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > > Union, MO > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > 63084 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > > (636) 583-3224 > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> > wrote: > > Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold > selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in > your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position > for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info > since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and > are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses > age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half > the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. > > > > Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? > Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you > changed it to if you changed it. > > > > Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold > protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from > hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the > age hold protection might be possible to add. > > > > Thanks > > Josh > > > > > > > > Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org > > Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <(218)%20233-3757> > > LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <(218)%20790-2110> > > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
At PINES we just comment out the hold order in the OPAC and self-check templates so that the patron doesn't see it. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org < scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote: > Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is > all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium > plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears > some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or > do not do so beyond the local library system? > > Thank you, > Scott > > > > > > Scott Thomas > > Executive Director > > *PaILS / SPARK* > > (717) 873-9461 > > scott.tho...@sparkpa.org > > [image: Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's > Statewide Library System] <http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general- > boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Diane Disbro > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list. > georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold > queue and potential copies > > > > I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other > than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online > account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or > months to get it. > > > > Thank you, Josh, for asking. > > > Diane Disbro > > Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 308 Hawthorne Drive > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > > Union, MO > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > 63084 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=308+Hawthorne+Drive%0D+%0D+%0D+Union,+MO+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+63084=gmail=g> > > (636) 583-3224 > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> > wrote: > > Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold > selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in > your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position > for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info > since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and > are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses > age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half > the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. > > > > Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? > Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you > changed it to if you changed it. > > > > Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold > protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from > hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the > age hold protection might be possible to add. > > > > Thanks > > Josh > > > > > > > > Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org > > Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <(218)%20233-3757> > > LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <(218)%20790-2110> > > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so beyond the local library system? Thank you, Scott Scott Thomas Executive Director PaILS / SPARK (717) 873-9461 scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> [Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System]<http://www.palibrary.org/pails/> From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv <evergr...@lists.mobiusconsortium.org> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org<mailto:stomp...@exchange.larl.org>> wrote: Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org<http://larl.org> Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139<tel:(218)%20233-3757> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110<tel:(218)%20790-2110>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. Thank you, Josh, for asking. Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stomprowrote: > Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold > selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in > your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position > for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info > since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and > are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses > age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half > the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. > > > > Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? > Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you > changed it to if you changed it. > > > > Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold > protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from > hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the > age hold protection might be possible to add. > > > > Thanks > > Josh > > > > > > > > Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org > > Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <(218)%20233-3757> > > LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <(218)%20790-2110> > > >
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies
Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in your catalog. We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for holds, along with all potential copies. This gives users bad info since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on proximity for other locations. And since one org uses age hold protection, the total copy count isn't accurate either since half the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds. Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2? Did you modify it in some way? I would like to see examples of what you changed it to if you changed it. Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected and cannot be captured for that hold? Right now it pulls from hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection might be possible to add. Thanks Josh Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110