RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
My assumption is that (everything else equal) *nix on a PC server is a superior technology, more performant, more stable. Unfortunately one has to know a lot more low level tech stuff to get into the *nix game than is the case with windows, and therefore *nix on a PC will remain to a large extent in the domain of high-skill-set purists and tech elites, not the mass market. On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. ... Right, and that is why 10 of millions of people have *nix and IBM mainframes at home on their desktops to do word processing and email. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: plot by elitists confirmed...
shallow drivel On 30 Jul 2002 at 13:48, Tim Gorman wrote: ...from http://www.gksoft.com/a/fun/unix-c-hoax.html... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: There are even more plots to go around.
insipid, boring, devoid of substance On 30 Jul 2002 at 14:29, Gogala, Mladen wrote: Microsoft Bids to Acquire Catholic Church ... try this instead: http://www.transform.org/transform/dlc/rapids/rapids.html - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195111303 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Jared, please do something
Oh, are you thinthitive? I didn't know! :) You are likely to told that you will get no recourse on the list. Unless there is a giant double standard, which would be typical of the elitist attitudes of unix snobs. On 31 Jul 2002 at 5:38, Mladen Gogala wrote: Jared, I promised to let that Windoze vs. Unix thread die and I most definitely will. The other guy is resorting to the low and personal blows, including playing silly scrabble games with my name. I really do not want to stoop to his level, but will you, please, caution him to cease and desist? -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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| ... have your major league people | figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) | working right yet? | | It can't be all *that* hard for major league people | to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' | clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? | | :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 31 Jul 2002 at 5:38, Mladen Gogala wrote: Date sent: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:38:21 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California Jared, I promised to let that Windoze vs. Unix thread die and I most definitely will. The other guy is resorting to the low and personal blows, including playing silly scrabble games with my name. I really do not want to stoop to his level, but will you, please, caution him to cease and desist? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: plot by elitists confirmed...
arghticle On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:18, Connor McDonald wrote: Are you referring to the article or C ? :-) Connor --- Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shallow drivel On 30 Jul 2002 at 13:48, Tim Gorman wrote: ...from http://www.gksoft.com/a/fun/unix-c-hoax.html... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: plot by elitists confirmed...
Dennis, I have to say that I can't imagine what Mladen or Tim (or any other unix snob/elitist) would have to say about any technical problems I might have. The vast overwhelming preponderance of evidence, in my observation, is that they have never said anything of any interest or substance or relevance to windows people. Like I said before, I would suggest that just like I delete 98% of Unix related posts because they are not relevant, the unix bigots/elitists and users simply ignore windows discussions that they have nothing constructive to add to, and keep their nose out of other people's business. On the other hand, maybe Fatcity needs to split the list, and rename this one oracle-l-for-unix-snobs, and others can go on their merry way. As I have noted several times, the double standard here is peculiar, no one cares when some unix snob indulges in insulting windows people and DISRUPTING LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION THREADS, but as soon as protests of such unix snobbiness and elitism come up, all of the people that feel professionally invested in --- elitist technocorporate social privilege --- get upset that their status quo mentality is being challenged. regards, ep On 31 Jul 2002 at 6:43, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Eric Some of your recent posts have seemed rather harsh (although I did enjoy the bourgeoisophobes piece and passed it several friends). Has it been a rough week? I should point out that you are being nasty to some of the best experts on the list. Personally, if I have a really bad technical problem I hope to be on the good side of these people. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L shallow drivel On 30 Jul 2002 at 13:48, Tim Gorman wrote: ...from http://www.gksoft.com/a/fun/unix-c-hoax.html... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Jared, Let the thread die? Are you daft, Mladen didn't let it die at all. Here is the message header from his mesage in which he continued to INTERFERE AND ATTEMPT TO DISRUPT with other people's legitimate conversation: === BEGIN === Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1-pr.snfc21.pbi.net) by sims4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for emopierc@sims-ms-daemon; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vm3-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.95]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by vm3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6UHOdbR225238 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA37796; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 004A629A; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 From: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [209.68.248.164] X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Listserver: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman === END === I guess that certain types of people *will* get recourse on the list, and others won't? As far as I'm concerned your policy is incompetent (double standard), and I will be sending a complaint to Bruce and Fatcity that the once respectable, open, public list has become a haven for unix bigots. (feel free to unsubscribe me if you don't have the time to do a proper job running the list in a fair manner). regards, ep On 31 Jul 2002 at 9:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I've asked both you and Mladen to let this thread die. Mladen agreed, and has not made further replies to this thread. You however seem to get some gratification from annoying the hell out of everyone else. Please stop it now. I'm tired of dealing with it. I have many better things to do with my time than act as a referee. This forum is intended to be informational, educational, conversational and enjoyable, all while maintaining ties with what we all do for a living. At the moment, I'm not having any fun. It's easy enough to find stress in the world, and I and everyone else here don't care to volunteer for more. I've only booted two people off of this list since it's creation, please don't cause me to make it three. Jared Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/2002 02:03 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 28 Jul 2002 at 19:33, Michael Kline wrote: There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. I've had several Windows NT and 2000 servers that will run Oracle for months, but Linux is quite good as well. I remember once while testing software, I had to busy a version 8 database, then use the software(DB Scope) to look over the database and tell me what was wrong. I got it busy inserting records, dropping records, doing full table scans in a script that just kept repeating itself. Sorry if I missed it before, but what is DB Scope? Well a few months later I had a revision to the software and had to look at a Version 8 database again... I found the I/O in the billions and couldn't figure out why. Which one? The NT? The Linux box had been running at 99% CPU running my script for 2-3 months doing that test on Oracle 8, running our backup DNS, and backup Email server and no one even knew the box was that busy... yes, well err backup DNS and backup Email server ??? what kind of load do they put on the system? Furthermore, does the backup Email server have equivalent functionality as Exchange? I've had Oracle7.3 running on Netware for years along with file, print services and an email server (not to mention a tape backup program!!!). executing the dos command copy n:lrg_file.txt o:*.* practically kills the whole server, oracle or not. Yet, our super powerful Exchange Server was down usually 1-2 times a week and was probably 3-5 times faster with twin processors. Yes, Exchange (aka SQL Server) is a nightmare, which is well understood by ayone that has been in the windows server world for long. Which is irrelevant to running Oracle on NT/2000 as far as I can tell. Usually when management sees a Windows database server and tries to add something to it, that's when you really start having problems. Keep it plain and it will do much better. Excellent advice, that is what we do. Unfortunately, for non-enterprise Oracle users, you need a pile of NT/2000 servers (don't know if this is same for *nix) if you want to use the main components of Oracle's latest technology stack. 1) db server 2) OEM server 3) connectivity server (oracle names, or whatever the heck they call it) 4) iAS server 5) and goodness knows what else, I haven't finished PTFM/RTFM for db v8i/9i blech. presumably, at least for small/non-enterprise installs, #2 and #3 can probably run (together) on an old utility box, which we will have a lot of as there are hundreds of desktop PII/350 SMP boxes (IBM Intellistations) that are being replaced by new P4s. I just found 99% cpu for 3 months very impressive. Great. It is refreshing to see someone providing some actual factual info. My assumption is that (everything else equal) *nix on a PC server is a superior technology, more performant, more stable. Unfortunately one has to know a lot more low level tech stuff to get into the *nix game than is the case with windows, and therefore *nix on a PC will remain to a large extent in the domain of high-skill-set purists and tech elites, not the mass market. regards, ep http://www.retrobox.com/rbwww/home -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: deploy forms on web
trying again... --- Forwarded message follows --- - begin returned message - http://www.odtug.com/web_members/mbrsonly_signup.asp S*u*b*s*c*r*i*b*e to the developers list, they have recently dealt with the problem, see the archives. It is a limitation of Developer. On 28 Jul 2002 at 20:43, Arvind Kumar wrote: i want to deploy my application (forms reports) on web, for this i have instlled forms and reports server 6i can see the forms (.fmx) in browser but its window size is not appearing proper and the icons also not appearing .what could be the problem. - end returned message - --- End of forwarded message --- Start at: http://www.odtug.com/index.asp click on Become a FREE ODTUG Web Member today... Enter your emali address, etc. and wait for the confirmation email that contains a password that you can then enter at the ODTUG web site to get access to the email list subscription screen. (or you can manually subscribe, see below). If you become a paying member of ODTUG, you can search the email list archives. Mailing Lists ODTUG is pleased to host nine mailing lists to keep you informed. ODTUG-L for general ODTUG questions, discussions, and administrative notices ODTUG-WAREHOUSE-L for data warehousing and OLAP-related topics ODTUG-METHODS-L for methodology and process topics ODTUG-DES2K-L for Oracle Designer topics *** *** ODTUG-DEV2K-L for Oracle Developer topics *** ODTUG-DISC2K-L for Oracle Discoverer topics ODTUG-JAVA-L for JDeveloper, JDBC, and Java-related topics ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L for SQL*Plus, PL/SQL, and general SQLtopics ODTUG-WEBDEV-L WSG, OAS, OWAS, WebDB, and other Web-related topics To subscribe to any of these lists, please fill out the subscription form below. To subscribe to the mailing lists on your own, send an e-mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And in the message BODY (not Subject line), put: SUBSCRIBE mailing list real name Have mailing list be the name of the list you want to receive, and real name be your full given name, not your e-mail address. Omit the angle brackets when sending your message. More than one SUBSCRIBE command can be put in the same message, but they must each be on a separate line. For example: SUBSCRIBE ODTUG-L John Doe To remove yourself from a list, use the UNSUBSCRIBE command (with the same parameters as above). You may also include the HELP command for a list of how to use the mailing list server software to change your subscription, check status, obtain archives, read digests, and more. If you would like to subscribe or unsubscribe to one of our current mailing lists, just fill out the form below. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 27 Jul 2002 at 17:03, Mladen Gogala wrote: On 2002.07.27 19:58 Eric D. Pierce wrote: Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If someone wants to use SQL*Server, he'll do it. Oracle is too big and too expensive for a small corner shop. MySQL and PostGres are even greater danger to both of them. Incidentally, I expect Oracle Corp. to bring prices down soon. Very soon. So we should expect a whole new bunch of newbee NT Oracle DBAs to join the list? :) haaa ha haaa As for the snobby *sshole Unix DBA, yes, I am a Unix guy, I used to be a VMS guy, but Micros*t operating systems simply do not satisfy my stability and adaptability criteria. So what? Are you saying that your experience eclipses everything that goes on in the market? I have nothing against deep-skill-set people and the nbecessary role they play as long as they don't try to colonize every other aspect of the industry with elitist b*llsh*t attitudes. Believe it or not, it's the pricing that drives business decision, not a preference toward some specially likable OS. If Oracle doesn't bring prices down, people will be using SQL*Server on NT, one way or another. I would say it is functionality and price. If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Well, if you want an operating systems that any idiot can use, than idiots will use it. That particularly applies to Windoze. So, extending your statement to its logical conclusion, only experts should have PCs, and the mass market for computers was a social aberration? The reason MS established market domination was not just because of monopolistic practices, there was an existing vacuum on the low end of the market that MS learned to exploit by creating mass market products that the high-skill-set elitists/purists weren't inclined towards. The guys should know that, whoever the guys might be. They guys are the ones asking the question about certification of oracle db 8.1.7 on XP. As far as I know, there is no evidence that they either should, or do know that. Linsux desktop is still sucky. It is? Depends on what you mean by sucky. That doesn't sound like a particularly well defined criteria. I like my home environment (SuSE 8.0) far better then my office environment (Windoze 2000). That proves nothing. Just because a high-skill-set nuix bigot, obviously steeped in the arcana of systems is able to get a working desktop Linsux environment setup says NOTHING about the mass market. I have abundant evidence that even techies that have attempted to run Linsux desktop because the that MS find it too much of a real pain in the *ss after a while, and go back to MS in order to get work done. I, for one, think that windoze sucks. Obviously, but so what? There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? Read the book on Oracle9i on Windows 2000 by three Oracle employees (one of whom was on the list a while ago and said basically the same things I am). http://mhorder.com/oracle9i/0072194626.html I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. ??? Does that mean you don't know how to run Exchange, or that Exchange sucks, or both? If the latter, how does Exchange (AKA SQL Server) being sucky automatically mean that all of NT is sucky??? Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. Reliability is on a continuum. There are certainly instances of mainframes and unix being set up in a flaky, unreliable manner by people that lack expertise. Just because maingrame/unix is being used doesn't magically confer perfection on a system and guarantee 100% stability. Now, if some guy wants to install Oracle on a laptop for (e.g.) testing/training purposes, I would suggest that it is utter f*ing insanity to say that they have absolutely no chance of doing it in a stable enough manner. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. What are you basing your comments on? Can someone ask Oracle if the large number of production Oracle/NT systems that exist require daily rebooting? Your statement is ridiculous. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. Again: SO WHAT? In case the though never occurred to you, you and your company are not the center of the universe,and the end of all human possibility or experience. Here is the main problem with MS: in order to sell product (new operating systems), they have to sell it on new systems. So in order to get people to buy new systems, they have to add bloat (er
Re: OS [PTFM/RTFM: MS dual boot]
an example of what to read: http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=BootMgr.TXT I have extensive notes on Win9x and Win2000 dual boot, but not on Win2000 and WinXP dual boot. On 28 Jul 2002 at 4:18, Dennis M. Heisler wrote: Did you do any research yourself before asking? I did a quick search on Google and got almost 7000 hits. Microsoft's web site is probably your best source. guess who wrote: now i have installed Windows XP pro.Now i want to install windows 2000 in my system in such a way called dual boot system.So how to do , can any one tell me the step by step process for doing it clearly. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Absurd. Your intention from the beginning was to be a snobby jerk. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp Among the Bourgeoisophobes Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel. by David Brooks 04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30 AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige. Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to weep and vomit at the same time. Flaubert thought they were plodding and avaricious. Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, is the beginning of all virtue. He signed his letters Bourgeoisophobus to show how much he despised stupid grocers and their ilk. Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert, Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age. This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower. And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know, deep down, that both America and Israel possess a vitality and heroism that their nations once had but no longer do. ... ( originally linked from www.dynamist.com ) --- On 28 Jul 2002 at 12:53, Mladen Gogala wrote: ... This debate is getting increasingly personal and that is why I am going to end it right now. I tried avoiding a personal conflict in my first reply, but you insisted. As I have nothing to gain from the squabble, I'm out of here. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop progression after XP. --- Anyways, according to one report, to make pre-9i ORacle software work on XP, copy everything from the install CD to hard disk, remove the read only attribute, and run the installer from there. ??? Or use Oracle db v 9.0 or 9.1 ? (which are certified on XP *PRO*) (Or get a cheap test box, and install Windows 2000 Pro!) According to a developer product manager guy at Oracle@UK, the reason that XP is not currently supported for db 8i (or more precisely, for Patch11 of the Developer stuff) is that there are some concerns about compatibility of required support files on XP. ---excerpt--- from metalink.oracle.com : Oracle8i Client Release Notes Release 3 (8.1.7.0.0) for Windows XP June 2002 Part No. A97675-01 These Release Notes discuss the steps to install Oracle8i client components on Windows XP. These Release Notes supplement Oracle8i Release Notes for Windows and component readme files that were distributed with the Oracle8i release 3 (8.1.7.0.0) for Windows software. This document contains the following topics: Oracle Components Certified on Windows XP Required Oracle8i Installation Components Additional Oracle8i Installation Components Installation Tasks Deinstallation Steps Documentation Accessibility Oracle Components Certified on Windows XP Only the client components from the 8.1.7.3.0 patch set for Oracle8i Server for Windows are certified on the 32-bit version of Windows XP Professional Edition. Table 1 lists these client components. Releases prior to the 8.1.7.3.0 patch set for Oracle8i Server for Windows are not certified on Windows XP. ... ---end--- On 27 Jul 2002 at 8:08, Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran wrote: Date sent: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:08:24 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you pls any one guide me, how to succeed on this. Rgds, Nirmal. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is possible although it is not supported. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:03 AM Hi gurus... I friend newly bought a laptop with windows XP. He wants to install oracle 8i on it. Is it possible to install oracle 8i in XP?. Is there any patch i need apply. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Linsux desktop is still sucky. There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Here is the main problem with MS: in order to sell product (new operating systems), they have to sell it on new systems. So in order to get people to buy new systems, they have to add bloat (er... features). .NET is full of bloat (Palladium, etc.), but if MS' marketing people succeed in convincing the market that .NET is easier than java and open source, they will win. regards, ep On 27 Jul 2002 at 11:48, Mladen Gogala wrote: On 2002.07.27 14:49 Eric D. Pierce wrote: JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! And then reformat all your disks, install Red Hat 7.3 and make your life still easier. No dual boot required. Keep your system Micros*t free. --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, Yes. The most significant advance is that the blue screen of death will be replaced by the green one, to signify Microsoft's concerns for our environment. Microsoft is famous for the stability of its products, particularly the Exchange. Microsoft is really something that you want your production database to be running on. Does the .net part mean that a database running on a MS sever will be vulnerable to any damned virus there is on the (.)net? -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! Not on my desk! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop Since when is return to the dinosaurs called evolution? progression after XP. Donward progression, that is. Just press Ctrl-Alt-Del. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
(Fwd) Re: System Administrator Appreciation Day
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020726 --- Forwarded message follows --- Also - if you don't already read it, check out today's userfriendly comic, at http://www.userfriendly.org . The 'singer' in the strip is Stef Murkey, marketing type, while the 'singee' is Mike, sysadmin extraordinaire... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran DBA
every time I've gone to www.oracle.com and clicked oracle university lately, it hangs my browser (IE6). On 26 Jul 2002 at 4:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. Good point. Anyone know how we can verify that if you take the 8i exams and pass you can just do the upgrade exam without the additional course? Is there a time when 8i exams will not be offered any more or any other time constraint and does any one know? ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: (memes) not making much headway with critiquing elitist dba
Life is full of paradoxes. On 24 Jul 2002 at 10:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I cannot understand is why you left the fertilizer industry. Based on your commentary and the state of the economy I suspect demand could not keep up with your supply. Just kidding your posts are quite amusing. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: oracle 9i
fwiw Net8 (8.1.7 client) on Windows 2000 talks to SQL*Net v2 (db 7.3.2) on Netware ok via TCP. On 25 Jul 2002 at 8:48, Freeman, Robert wrote: I've had no problems with an 8i client talking to a 9i database. There *are* some problems with mixing and matching 7, 8i and 9i databases on the same listener version if you are = 9.0.1.3. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE[2]: Windohs client problems / (Fwd) RE: Reports 9i and Reports 6 on
also see: http://mhorder.com/oracle9i/0072194626.html --- Forwarded message follows --- fwiw, here is the OUI documentation for 9.0.1 http://docs.oracle.com/cd_a91202/901_doc/em.901/a88812 .pdf --- Oracle 8i Installation Guide Release 3 / 8.1.7 for NT http://docs.oracle.com/DOCS_DOT_PDF_Storage/a85302.pdf --- Oracle 8.1.7 Client Multiple Homes documentation: http://docs.oracle.com/cd_a87862/NT817CLI/index.htm (configuration parameters and registry: http://docs.oracle.com/cd_a87862/NT817CLI/win.817/a730 17/apc.htm#1020082 ) --- After installation, the OUI documentation is (typically?) here: F:\Program Files\Oracle\oui\guide\toc.htm Oracle(R) Universal Installer Concepts Guide Release 1.7 ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SMP on windows2000
I've been wondering same, logged an iTAR. Will keep you in the loop. background (same old crap, sorry, nothing specific): http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7486 - http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal (look for SMP.TXT) ??? - http://www.2cpu.com/OSs/Windows/win2kintropart1/Win2kintrop1.html - this one claims to debunk myths: http://2cpu.com/How-To/article2.htm - http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.htm http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+2000+smp regards, ep On 25 Jul 2002 at 4:23, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Thanks. I was thinking of the Oracle executable on Windows2000. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: SMP on windows2000 File: Card for Don Jerman My understanding is according to design it should do it automatically. My experience is it does, sort of. But the app has to be multi-threaded (by the OS definition, not just context-mapped like Java green threads) for it to ever use more than one processor at the same time. If your single-threaded then for obvious reasons NT will tend to give the next time-slice to the same processor if it's not busy, so it looks like you're stuck on the same one much of the time. With the task manager you can set processor affinity on MP machines from the right-click menu of the process. This limits which of the N processors will be used to schedule your process. So you can limit one processor hog to 1 or 2 processors and let the well behaved programs run freely on the others. I don't know how to do this using non-gui tools or to set it up at start time, and your userid has to have permission to do it (essentially you have to be running as the process owner). But it's a starting point for research :). Boivin, Patrice J wrote: I am probably just complaining now, I think I know the answer already. Is it possible to force Windows2000 to spread the load for one application to 2 or more CPUs, from the OS side? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windohs client problems / (Fwd) RE: Reports 9i and Reports 6 on
also see: http://mhorder.com/oracle9i/0072194626.html --- Forwarded message follows --- Most of it was trial and error. Apparently, the old ORANT stuff(dev6) has to be in default_home. I ran into a lot of problems when that was not HOME0 in the registry. OEM was installed by default. I also discovered that oracle agent and oracleids agent can not run at the same time. Depending on what I am trying to do, I have to start and stop various jobs and http servers. This is my development box for trying out new things. I would not recommend this configuration for production. David Peck Baker Hughes Inc. BHBSS-BASIS (713) 625-6649 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:38 PM To: Peck, David; [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 24 Jul 2002 at 11:29, Peck, David wrote: I have 9i r2 of the database, 9idw r2, dev 6i and discoverer 6i on the same Win 2000 box. ok. I have found that you should install the dev 6i first into default_home. Is that documented, or did you determine that from trial-and-error, or hear about it from someone, or ?? I created a separate home for the 9i database and a separate home for 9ids. Did you patch everything? If so, did that go well? Believe it or not, everything works! cool. there are people that will be interested in hearing this. Any chance that ODBC and/or OEM was in the mix? fwiw, on a Win2000 client machine, I had v7 client stuff installed (Y2K installer), then mistakenly installed a trial version of 9i db, uninstalled it (using the 9i OUI , v?), then installed client stuff from 8.1.7.x with the 8.1.7 OUI, and even with that mess, it still works. :) regards, ep -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L Hello List!! Has any one tried installing Reports 9i along with 6i or 6 on the same machine? Do these two go together? Any input will be appreciated. ... -- Author: Peck, David INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Listener Configuration - Oracle 7.3.4.5.2 on Windows 2000
you didn't mention whether or not you know that oracle 7 isn't certified on win2k. On 25 Jul 2002 at 6:18, Denham Eva wrote: Any ideas? I have installed Oracle 7.3.4.5.2 (7.3.4.0.0 + patchset 7.3.4.5.2) workgroup onto Windows 2000. ... ---Forwarded--- http://www.windowware.com/winware/fineprint.html Our standard, non-inclusive disclaimer Any similarity to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. Subject to CAB approval. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. See store manager for further details. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only. Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside. Freshest if eaten before date on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate. Simulated picture. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitutes your acceptance of agreement. For off-road use only. As seen on TV. One size fits all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients. Colors may, in time, fade. We have sent the forms which seem to be right for you. Slippery when wet. For official use only. Not affiliated with the American Red Cross. Drop in any mailbox. Edited for television. Keep cool; process promptly. Post office will not deliver without postage. List was current at time of printing. Return to sender, no forwarding order on file, unable to forward. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error, or failure to perform. At participating locations only. Not the Beatles. Penalty for private use. See label for sequence. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Do not write below this line. Falling rock. Penalty for private use, $300. Lost ticket pays maximum rate. Your canceled check is your receipt. Add toner. Place stamp here. Avoid contact with skin. Sanitized for your protection. Be sure each item is properly endorsed. Sign here without admitting guilt. Slightly higher west of the Mississippi. Employees and their families are not eligible. Beware of dog. Contestants have been briefed on some questions before the show. Limited time offer, call now to insure prompt delivery. You must be present to win. No passes accepted for this engagement. No purchase necessary. Processed at location stamped in code at top of carton. Shading within a garment may occur. Keep away from fire or flame. Replace with same type. Approved for veterans. Booths for two or more. Check here if tax deductible. Some equipment shown is optional. Price does not include taxes. No Canadian coins. Not recommended for children. Prerecorded for this time zone. Reproduction strictly prohibited. No solicitors. No alcohol, dogs, or horses. No anchovies unless otherwise specified. Restaurant package, not for resale. List at least two alternate dates. First pull up, then pull down. Call toll free before digging. Driver does not carry cash. Some of the trademarks mentioned in this product appear for identification purposes only. Record additional transactions on back of previous stub. Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. 25 city, 35 highway. Your mileage may vary. ---End--- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windohs client problems
On 24 Jul 2002 at 13:32, Jesse, Rich wrote: ... The kind of complex combo you are attempting is probably inherently going to be problematic, and I would definitely have asked Oracle tech support about install sequence issues ... Yeah, I know I need to place a TAR. But the last one I placed was a *dream*, thanks to Cathy@Oracle. Not only did she actually e-mail me directly (as opposed to only updating the TAR), but she even called to see that her fix actually worked. And it did (STATSPACK install f'ed up a couple dozen SYS packages)! I closed the TAR pleading that she forward my comments to her super because this was the way a TAR should be handled. haa haa haa! :) When I reread the install docs, I did see something about how deinstall of Intersolve (ODBC drivers?) would sometimes mes stuff up. I guess I'm afraid to try for another TAR because I know it'll be back to The Old Way of handling a TAR. ya. tease the larger/complex problem apart, and try simple combos of 2 of each of the problem components, and get TARs going for each? BTW, I've installed the 9i EE S/W in order to get the ONames Server and not to run a DB. I also wanted the ability to build a quick test DB for OiD if needed. ok. I sort of knew that, was just in such horror/shock/denial that my brain wouldn't allow recognition. :) I did read the whole section on networking in the Oracle9i/Windows 2000 book ( http://mhorder.com/oracle9i/0072194626.html ) yesterday. He doesn't address the specific problem, but there is excellent explanation of the underlying network architecture, and knowing that might help understand how to set up and go through trace logs during testing of various component combinations? regards, ep Thx! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SMP on windows2000
fwiw, some stuff on NT4 SMP issues: http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/435/05/4.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: (memes) not making much headway with critiquing elitist dba
DBO, its not about a smell. On 23 Jul 2002 at 10:28, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote: ... (you lost me at hallo) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Windohs client problems
are you talking about reinstalling windows, or oracle? did you take it down to bare metal, and remove all oracle products, including following the instructions from oracle tech support for doing a manual cleanout? do you have a production db installed on that box? backups? On 23 Jul 2002 at 13:34, Jesse, Rich wrote: OK, my hair is thinning fast enough without this. On WinTuke SP2, I've got a 9.0.1 full install of EE. I also have an install of the 8.1.7 client in a second ORACLE_HOME. I've been using this setup fine and well until I installed Oracle Warehouse Builder into a separate ORACLE_HOME, then de-installed it after finding out it needs 9iAS. Then Quest products started flaking out, so Quest had me fiddle with the LAST_HOME registry entry. After that, the Microslop ODBC for Oracle driver fails to find the Oracle driver, stating: [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] The driver doesn't support the version of ODBC behavior that the application requested (see SQLSetEnvAttr) And now, after uninstalling the 8.1.7 client, cleaning the registry, reinstalling and rebooting, I can only connect *HALF OF THE TIME* using 9i. The other half I get a TNS-12154, net name not found error. I'm using ONames for names resolution, but I don't understand what the hell is going on here. And seeing that it'll take me days to uninstall, reinstall, and reconfig I'd just as soon not do it. Anyone else have to deal with this hoo-ha that has a solution? I'd rather be at home diazinoning earwigs... sigh Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Myers-Briggs - Too many off topic topics!
what is dual? On 23 Jul 2002 at 10:53, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: ... The rest of us are just goofs. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Myers-Briggs - Too many off topic topics! MUST READ CAREFULLY
what is dummy? On 24 Jul 2002 at 4:54, Vikas Khanna wrote: Dual is a dummy table ... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what is dual? On 23 Jul 2002 at 10:53, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: ... The rest of us are just goofs. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windohs client problems
where HOME_NAME is the previous Oracle home name. Delete SYSTEM_DRIVE:\Program Files\Oracle through Windows NT Explorer. Delete all ORACLE_BASE directories on your hard drive. Reboot your computer. ---end--- Don't know if the following 8.1.7 instructions are relevant to a co-install with 9.x stuff, but check it out: ---begin--- file:///E:/doc/Output/ch2.htm#1093249 Single Oracle Home Components Most Oracle components can be installed multiple times on the same computer. However, the following components can only be installed once per computer: Oracle Performance Monitor for Windows NT Oracle Objects for OLE Oracle Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) Driver Oracle Provider for OLE DB Oracle SNMP Agent If you attempt to install these components a second time, Oracle Universal Installer detects that these products are already installed in another Oracle home and automatically removes them from the installation process without prompting you. The following information is logged to the INSTALLACTIONS.LOG file in the X:\PROGRAM FILES\ORACLE\INVENTORY\LOGS directory. # product_name is a single oracle home product. It is already installed in currently_installed_location. If you are performing an installation and notice that one or more single Oracle home components are not available for installation during the current session, check to see if any of these components or any previous versions of these components are installed in another Oracle home. If you want to install these in the currently selected Oracle home, you must first deinstall the conflicting version(s). See Also: Appendix A, Individual Components Available for Installation for the installation types under which these components are installed. ---end--- On 24 Jul 2002 at 6:38, Jesse, Rich wrote: Date sent: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:38:29 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Windohs client problems are you talking about reinstalling windows, or oracle? did you take it down to bare metal, and remove all oracle products, including following the instructions from oracle tech support for doing a manual cleanout? do you have a production db installed on that box? Just Oracle. I don't have an instance running, but I don't fancy attempting to uninstall/delete/reinstall/reconfigure 9i, because I'm running OEM (server and client w/remote repository) and an ONames backup. According to Oracle Support, I should just be able to nab the .ora files before the uninstall to maintain the config of OEM, but this isn't true. The GUI settings appear to be local to the client, especially the Groups settings (e.g. background images). ONames is a little simpler. The last time I wiped Oracle and reinstalled on Windohs, it took a few *days*. Hell, even with the supremely icky Oracle installs on VMS I could have that done in a couple of hours. sigh Perhaps I just bite the bullet and reinstall. To do this correctly on WinTuke, I have a few questions: 1) If more than one ORACLE_HOME is required (in my case, due to differences in 8i/9i), is the order of installation important? Should I install 8.1.7 client before or after 9i EE? Or doesn't it matter? 2) From a Registry monitor program, I saw that the MS ODBC for Oracle driver only looked at HKLM/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/ORACLE_HOME for it's ORACLE_HOME. This key doesn't change it's value when the active ORACLE_HOME is changed thru Oracle Home Selector. So, how do I get the MS ODBC driver to point to other ORACLE_HOMEs? And what exactly does the Oracle Home Selector change? How should a client program identify the current ORACLE_HOME? WHY THE HELL IS THIS SO FREAKING COMPLEX? K.I.S.S.! grumble grumble Maybe I need to start a rant-rant-rant thread? ;) backups? Backups of my PC? Ha! At the very least I should be getting an Winders box for testing Oracle stuff now that this has happened a few times. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windohs client problems
Just in case it might matter: Also note that the Oracle 8.1.7 install docs say under Deinstalling with the OUI that it is possible for the OUI inventory to get trashed, and OUI will be confused about what is and isn't installed. Not sure if that is the same for the 9.x OUI. regards, ep (also see file:///E:/doc/Output/deinstal.htm#1088513 Deinstalling Oracle Components with Oracle Universal Installer) ... file:///E:/doc/Output/deinstal.htm#1096331 file:///E:/doc/Output/ch2.htm#1093249 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
(memes) not making much headway with critiquing elitist dba
Robert, I got into computers after being in the fertilizer industry, a segue which has many times seemed quite apt. A year or two ago, I noticed that Oracle Education had a training/certification track for something they called Database Operator (DBO) that was quite similar to what you are talking about. The trainee was to know how to conduct routine, basic tasks under the supervision of a senior dba (on big databases), or would be a SA running a 3rd party type application that ran on top of Oracle where the 3rd party app people would provide dba technical consulting/support, or a SA that was running a small/non-critical database, etc. (the web site education.oracle.com doesn't seem to be working right now, so I can't confirm if they still have a DBO track.) Re: critiquing of the cultish/elitist mentality that predominates in DBA circles? ha haaa haa. The thing is to make crucial distinction between: good elitism: - high level specialization, - expertise required, - capacity of an individual to absorb tecnical complexity/theory and learn to apply it to problem solving, etc. and: bad elitism: - arrogant/selfish attitude, greedy, etc. Presumably the worst case scenario is having a person that exhibits bad elitism with little or no sign of any of the attributes of good elitism. I support your efforts at articulating a more populist scenario for defining technical job positions. You of course realize that any sort of populist argument, libertarian or otherwise, will get caught in the hellish middle of a cultural landscape that is mainly defeined by snobby *ssholes in either the politically correct (liberal) or country club (conservative) camps. Besides retreating to a libertarian position (which I think is an honorable approach, if somewhat stasist), there is also another alternative: embrace a holistic, integrative (transcendant/universal) paradigm that recognises the evolutionary limits (and evils) of both classic liberalism and conservatism. http://members.ams.chello.nl/f.visser3/wilber/mgm2.html Explanation of color schemes used in Spiral Dynamics type Memetic theory: http://members.ams.chello.nl/f.visser3/wilber/wilber_sd.html regards, ep On 22 Jul 2002 at 9:23, Robert Monical wrote: ... It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should be or should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA. I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a little convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some additional job classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day management functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be someone who was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a precision milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going away, I see no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent admin DBA. Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become a Master Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level. I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing organization does not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either have on staff or bring in a numerical control programming specialist. Similarly, the Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which tasks should be kicked up or out to the next level. So maybe some of the energy spent on this list about relevance of the OCP and discussing qualifications of DBAs (against an unspecified standard) could be spent defining organizational strategies for getting the best use out of human capital represented by Admin DBAs and pricing the skill set appropriately. The worst possible thing is to get an Admin DBA into a Technical DBA position. I think the key breakthrough is the notion that there is a DBA track that does not inevitably lead to Master Technical DBA. That is why I use the machinist analogy: somebody who is satisfied with a career spending 25 years doing essentially the same thing. If you are into Myers-Briggs type indicator, I think the personality dimension is SJ and roughly 25% of the population fits this profile. I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and free up my time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire society better transition to the information era and not marginalize a bunch of great people in the process. (Sez the man operating a three person software company). ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
new OEM / Re:RE: Rant
Hold on does that mean that since I never learned it, I should just wait for the new one? :) Will it support 8.1.7 in client-server mode? :):) (Or just Oracle9i?) regards, ep On 22 Jul 2002 at 10:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUP, Saw the new version at an Oracle event in Boston a couple of months ago. Seems that nothing is sacred anymore. BTW: Installer changes too, now you need a full multimedia terminal, 4 channel audio VR headset recommended. :o) Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/22/2002 9:53 AM you can see how often I use the GUI :) OBTW.. for those of you who are OEM fans... I heard a rumor (from a fairly well-informed, usually accurate source) that Oracle's changing it all again. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
PTFM? / Re:RE: RE: Rant
You can get a color laser printer cheaper than that. besides RTFM, is there going to now be PTFM? On 22 Jul 2002 at 12:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrice, You can still get them, you just have to order them seperatly at a platinum plated cost. Last time I looked is was $1500 per set. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/22/2002 11:53 AM I can see why they stopped distributing them though, it must have been costly. It doesn't remove the fact that it would be handy to have paper copies of the manuals. It's hard to put yellow sticknote tabs on a CD. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Whistler Server (Windows .NET 2003), Longhorn, Foghorn,
intended to alternate major and minor releases of itsnewest operating system (OS), delivering them about 18 monthsapart. Whistler, now known as Windows XP, was supposed to bethe minor release following Windows 2000 and Blackcomb themajor release after that.Gartner thinks of Windows 2000 Professional as Windows NTWorkstation v.5.0, Windows XP as Windows NT Workstationv.5.1 and Blackcomb as Windows NT Workstation v.6.0.Microsoft's Grand VisionsIn the mid-1990s, Microsoft had a grand vision, known as Cairo,that was intended to form Windows NT v.5.0. Cairo gradually gotbigger and bigger, until it was shelved in favor of getting acompetitive product, Windows 2000, out of the door. Windows2000 was needed to deal with the threat from Java and thin-clientsystems. However, internally, it seems that Blackcomb isMicrosoft's new grand vision.Cairo was too grand a vision to accomplish in the time allotted toit - i.e., the two years after the launch of NT v.4.0 in 1996.Because of competitive threats, the project slipped by two yearsand Microsoft did not ship Windows 2000 until February 2000.This left a four-year gap of technology and revenue between therelease of NT v.4.0 and Windows 2000. Microsoft cannot let thishappen again. Its stock has been down or flat since 1999 and itneeds the revenue that new products bring.Core TopicHardware Platforms: Client PlatformsKey IssueHow will desktop and mobile clientplatforms evolve during the next five years? Page 2 Copyright 2001T-14-272316 October 20012Why Detour to Longhorn?Microsoft has to keep current to make sure Linux, Mac OS X andother possible challengers do not sneak up from behind and geta foothold while Microsoft's OS technology languishes. It makesperfect sense for Microsoft to ensure it has a reasonable plan forinterim releases. It understands that the more revolutionary arelease, the more difficult it is for enterprises to implement.Smaller releases allow enterprises to absorb the new technologymore easily. Where Blackcomb was supposed to be Windowsv.6.0, Longhorn represents another point release to the Windows5.x codebase. We believe Microsoft will endeavor to release anew enterprise client OS every 24 months, and a new consumerOS or enhancement pack every year (see Figure 1). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: security bug - join syntax
re: Bug 2121935 ---metalink excerpts--- Doc ID: 190077.1 List of Bugs fixed in Oracle9i Release 2 base release (9.2.0.1) This is a listing of the main bugs fixed in the Oracle9i Release 2 base release. The bugs are listed in categories related to the product area and/or symptom of the bug. A bug may be listed in more than one section. * indicates that an alert exists for this bug. + indicates a particularly notable bug. OERI is used as a short notation for ORA-600. Bug Fixes by Category ... Security ... 2121935* User Privileges Vulnerability in Oracle9i Database Server ... Bug:2121935 * Fixed: 9201 Security This problem is introduced in Oracle9i (9.0.1). There is a user privileges vulnerability in Oracle9i Database Server.. See Note:185074.1 ... --- Doc ID: Note:185074.1 Subject: ALERT: User Privileges Vulnerability in Oracle9i Database Server Type: ALERT Status: PUBLISHED Content Type: TEXT/PLAIN Creation Date: 18-APR-2002 Last Revision Date: 25-APR-2002 Oracle Security Alert #33 Dated: 17 April 2002 User Privileges Vulnerability in Oracle9i Database Server Description ~~~ A potential security vulnerability has been discovered in Oracle9i database server. It is possible to create a user defined in the Oracle9i database server with limited privileges who can potentially access privileged data using SQL syntax for outer joins. As such, a knowledgeable and malicious user can gain unauthorized access to data in Oracle9i database server. None of the Oracle8i (Release 8.1.x), Oracle8 (Release 8.0.x) or Oracle7 database server release is affected by this vulnerability. Products affected ~ Oracle9i Database, Release 9.0.1.x, only Platforms affected ~~ All Workarounds ~~~ There are no workarounds to protect against this potential vulnerability. Patch Information ~ Oracle has fixed the potential vulnerability identified above in the upcoming Oracle Database server release, Oracle9i, Release 2. Patches with the base bug number, 2121935 are being made available only for supported releases of Oracle9i, Releases 9.0.1.x, database server on all supported platforms. For Windows NT and 2000, the patch is included in 2338791 for 9.0.1.3. Download currently available patches for your platform from Oracle Support web site, iSupport, http://metalink.oracle.com. Activate the Patches button to get to the patches Web page. Enter the base bug fix number indicated above and activate the Submit button. Please check MetaLink or, Oracle Support Services periodically for patch availability if the patch for your platform is not yet available. Oracle strongly recommends that you comprehensively test the stability of your system upon application of any patch prior to deleting any of the original file(s) that are replaced by the patch. Change Record ~ Windows NT and 2000 bug information was addded to the Patch Information section of this alert on 25-Apr-02. . - --- Copyright (c) 1995,2000 Oracle Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Legal Notices and Terms of Use. On 19 Jul 2002 at 10:58, Deshpande, Kirti wrote: Date sent: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:58:26 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California Is this still a problem in 9iR2? I do not have it installed yet :( - Kirti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: security bug - join syntax Thanks Linda. Usenet seems to be a little behind the curve though. Jonathan Lewis discovered this and posted on the list ( you saw it here first! ) over a month ago. Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/2002 09:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: security bug - join syntax This just in from comp.databases.oracle.server. See metalink bug 2121935. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
Re: end of correction support question
Pat, Sorry for the formatting problems, I didn't check the format of the info after doing a cut/paste from metalink. Note: | EMS includes the following: | Continuance of full metals services, | consisting of: ... -| Error Correction Support (ECS) Here is a reworked version: | EAS includes the following: | Telephone and Electronic support, consisting of: | Answers to customers' questions | Assistance with migration plans to a supported platform | and/or product Workarounds, where possible --- | EAS does NOT include the following: | Error Correction Support (ECS) - No new bug fixes | Backporting of fixes | Certification with supported products, newer operating | system versions or new compilers | Escalation support, response time adherence and skill | availability --- | EMS will be available until 31-DEC-2005, if the customer | purchases EMS and has a current support contract in place. | EMS includes the following: | Continuance of full metals services, consisting of: -| Error Correction Support (ECS) | Answers to customers' questions | Assistance with migration plans to a supported platform | and/or product Backporting of fixes | Escalation support, response time adherence and skill | availability | Workarounds, where possible --- -| EMS does NOT include the following: | Certification with supported products, newer operating | system versions or new compilers --- On 19 Jul 2002 at 8:15, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: I notice EAS does not include Error Correction Support (ECS) - No new bug fixes Backporting of fixes EMS does not include Error Correction Support (ECS) Backporting of fixes http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab ase_id=NOTp_id=148054.1 excerpt: -- Oracle Corporation Product Obsolescence Desupport Notice -- -- Product Details: Platform(s) Details: Product: Oracle Server - Client, Enterprise Edition, Parallel Server, Personal Edition, RAC Standard Edition/Workgroup Server Product Version(s): 8.1.7 (8i) Platform(s): Platform Version(s): ALL Platforms ALL Desupport End Dates: Error Correction Support (ECS): 31-DEC-2003 Extended Assistance Support (EAS): 31-DEC-2006 Extended Maintenance Support (EMS): 31-DEC-2005 ... Customer Action: To upgrade/migrate, U.S. customers must contact Client Relations at the following: (NOTE: Non-U.S. customers must contact their Oracle Local Support Center (LSC).) West: (719) 785-7600 Central Mountain: (719) 635-8900 East: (407) 240- 8900 Toll-Free: 1-800-223-1711 Exceptions and/or Miscellaneous Information: Extended Maintenance Support (EMS) will be offered on the following platforms ONLY until 31-DEC-2005: Compaq Alpha OpenVMS (DEC) Compaq Tru64 UNIX (Digital Unix) Data General Intel Unix Fujitsu-Siemens RM200-600E Reliant Unix HP 9000 Series HP-UX IBM NUMA-Q DYNIX/ptx (Sequent) IBM OS 390 (MVS) IBM RS/6000 AIX Intel Based Server LINUX Intel Caldera Open UNIX 8 with LKP Microsoft Windows 2000 SGI Unix Sun SPARC Solaris UnixWare (SCO) Novell NetWare Customers: ALL Oracle products on Novell NetWare will be desupported 31-DEC- 2001. In order to ensure that customers have sufficient time to migrate to the terminal release on Novell Netware, Oracle is extending ECS for Oracle Server - Oracle8i 8.1.7 on Novell Netware until 30-SEP-2002. ... This desupport notice is addressed to the customer's contact currently on file with Oracle Corporation. (NOTE: If the contact information is not current, please email the current contact information and CSI# to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) This document is for informational purposes only, and is intended to outline Oracle Corporation's current migration path. The information in this document is subject to change without notice at Oracle Corporation's discretion. In accordance with Oracle Corporation's current transfer policy, future releases of Oracle programs (migration paths) are provided to customers who have a valid support contract only. Customers with a current support contract may also view the current desupport notice via Oracle MetaLink at http://metalink.oracle.com, under Product LifeCycle -- Desupport Notices. - For further assistance, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last modified: 12-Feb-2002 15:31:28 (U.S. Pacific Time) . ---end--- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538
Re: Re[2]: Rant
only a dba would think of drinking coffee as something that would calm one down! har har har On 22 Jul 2002 at 7:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I liked the guy we hired as out Junior DBA. He did not know the answer, but did know where to find it in the manuals. He also knew to calm himself down. Premature actions often cause more trouble. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Rant
re: Results spoiling the image on OCP. what image, the marketing people's garbage? the clueless HR departments? big software companies make a lot of money from training and certification, so they have an incentive to selectively present information in such a way as to convince the inexperienced that they MUST HAVE CERTIFICATION. why should people swallow that kind of terdliness without excersising some prudence and independent judgement? do a web search on the history of computer industry certification to see that there is a lot of controversy about the practical value of the certification the diferent vendors offer, and how it has changed over time (start with Novell around 1990?). On 22 Jul 2002 at 8:13, Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran wrote: Gurus, ocp will let you enter into an interview - proved. However the candidates failed to prove it. Results spoiling the image on OCP. Nirmal. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L mkb, Your surprised? Over the last 6 years I've interviewed many a candidate while we added two DBA's to the group. I've gotten a lot of answers like this: Question: How do you create a table? Answer: The developer sends me a script. I run script. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: MicroSoft Admission
What the f* does this euphemistic cr*pola mean: ... | Our strategy has never changed with what we are | trying to do with consulting, but it sure looked | that way in the early part of the year because we | managed to get a disalignment between our | incentives and our resources and our strategy in | the marketplace, Ballmer said. That caused our | consultants to look sometimes less like your | friend and more like your foe than we ever have | intended it to. ... ??? On 19 Jul 2002 at 9:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, First off my apologies for an off topic post, but considering the amount of OS discussions we have, I really don't think it's totally off base. Dick Goulet http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26230.html Ballmer 'fesses up to Linux/Windows cost FUD By Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 16/07/2002 at 19:23 GMT ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
fyi: oracle tech support link to free .zip utility
follow up to the zip thread: http://ap103aru.oracle.com/unzips/unzips.html http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/showDoc?db=NOTid=202255.1 ... Unzipping the Release 11.5.7 Maintenance Pack requires an unzip utility capable of handling a zip archive with more than 65,536 files. For example, Info-ZIP's UnZip (http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html) version 5.41 or higher is capable of handling large zip archives. The UnZip source code is available for free, along with compiled executables of version 5.41 or higher for every Oracle Applications-certified operating system except IBM RS6000 AIX (please see below for alternatives). http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html excerpt: | UnZip 5.50 | | The Third Most Portable Program in the World! * | | UnZip is an extraction utility for archives compressed in .zip format | (also called zipfiles). Although highly compatible both with | PKWARE's PKZIP and PKUNZIP utilities for MS-DOS and with Info-ZIP's | own Zip program, our primary objectives have been portability and | non-MSDOS functionality. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
(Fwd) FW: Oracle 9i Application Server,
fwiw, naming/numbering of 9i AS R2 on Windows: [(9.0.2.0.1) CD Pack v1 for MS Windows] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:55 PM To: [software librarian] ... Thanks for the info. It is correct that I don't need it for the production Oracle database v8.1.7 that I'm trying to get set up currently, but I will probably want to try to blow up a test server with it in a couple of months(/years?). :) Regards, Eric -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:08 PM To: Pierce, Eric D Hi Eric, I just received some software from Oracle: 9i Application Server, Release 2 (9.0.2.0.1) CD Pack v1 for MS Windows. As I remember, this is the one that you asked me to order and then decided you didn't want it. In any case, you're my best Oracle customer, so I put it on the shelf. It'll be sitting there until you come by to visit it some day. ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: A DBA looks at OAS
At work we ordered 9iAS R2 (for NT/Win2000) in May. We just got it the other day. I have to wait for some old lab machines to go to surplus status (many months) before I can make a couple sandbox win2000 servers to test it and the 9i db (and 9i iDS). books ??? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072190922 doesn't have anything on NT, or 9iAS specifically, but for Win2000 tools/environment, w/ the 9i db, or EM: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 ??? general oracle architecture/technology, apparently includes something on 9i AS: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001797 see: www.odtug.com or go to metalink, click on top docs and look around. or otn regards. ep On 17 Jul 2002 at 13:08, Freeman, Robert wrote: Date sent: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:57 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lot's to consider unfortunately I'm running it on NT ... :-)) ... --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a little Asp (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that now makes my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start playing with OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with regards to: 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, warnings and the like. 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. 3. Your own getting started experiences of things to do or not to do. 5. Anything I should do before I mess with OAS. Optimistically hopeful that this will all just go really smooth and I'll have a cool web page that I can bring up soon! ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Your password! It's S New Worm W32/Frethem.K@mm
Using Win2000Pro, McAfee AV and Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_winpmail.htm), there is no problem. There is a registry hack (documented on the MS KB) that turns Outlook XP into a plain text only emailer. From a guy I know that is MS security obsessive: ---excerpt--- | Outlook can also be tamed by ZoneAlarm Pro. I limit Outlook's access | strictly to ports 25 and 110 so it can't browse Web pages. Preview pane | is turned off in the Inbox but the three-line display mode is more | useful anyway. | | This is the registry fix that does the magic. It requires Office XP/SP1 | to be installed: | | REGEDIT4 | [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office \10.0\Outlook\Options\Mail] ReadAsPlain=dword:0001 | | I don't know why they didn't simply put it under Tools/Options in the | menu system. ... ---end--- The problem of course is that many M$-weenie users don't know how to make their system resistant to virii, not that it can't be done fairly easily. Those kind of people are obviously not going suffer through installing linux either. regards, ep On 15 Jul 2002 at 14:25, Joe Testa wrote: gotta love it, linux says save to disk? bwahahaha, all ou m$ weenies, vulnerable again. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: ... Here is a quote from the CIAC Heads-Up on this latest worm ... There are reports this morning of DOE sites being hit by the W32/Frethem.K@mm worm. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: McCain on Larry Ellison and Corporate Responsibility / Re: OT -
Tim, It is my understanding that Oracle's stocks have gone up and down wildly several times. As you say, the only time I've heard that Larry Ellison cashed out before a plunge happened was the recent one that McCain brought up. I'm afraid I fail to see what you think people should conclude from all that. Are you saying that it is ok for stock holding workers and investors to get gigantically screwed just because Larry Ellison has only done it once? regards, ep On 15 Jul 2002 at 4:53, Tim Gorman wrote: Date sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:53:21 -0800 Corporate Responsibility / Re: OT - unix To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that this was the very first time Ellison had ever sold Oracle stock, in over 25 years of the company's existence, in 2000, which is the occasion that McCain (and you) are referring to. As you might be aware, there was a far greater opportunity for Ellison to cash out and leave Oracle dangling in 1990, when the price dropped from around $20 to $6 almost overnight after some financial-earning restatements. On that occasion, he would certainly have had prior knowledge of what was going to happen, to put it mildly. In 2000, any foreknowledge of a long-term downturn (26 months and counting?) would have been worth far more than $700m, especially to someone holding several billions in equities... - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:13 PM unix Speaking of herds, or at least what is left behind on the ground after they pass: on Meet the Press (TV program), Senator John McCain said that Larry Ellison cashed out $700,000,000 of his Oracle stocks just before they lost most of their value (sarcasm: I'm sure he is planning on plowing it back into the company, especially improving quality in OWS and Metalink). ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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trying again... --- Forwarded message follows --- Responsibility / Re: OT -unix Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:37 -0400 Connect the dots, contrary to the highly postured false rectitude that you are conveying, Ellison has a very long track record of sleaze that at a minimum, ought to elicite a great deal of suspicion. (I will contact McCain's people for additional info, let me know if you would like me to mention you personally :) Assuming that you actually care about corporate responsibility, and aren't just acting pissy for the heck of it, you can find additional background on McCain's position here: http://www.straighttalkamerica.com Most recently, Oracle tried to buy off legislators to thwart an audit of the ELA that Oracle/Logicon put together with the State of California. As far as I'm concerned, all the *ssholes involved in that at Oracle/Logicon, lobbyists, and in the legislature, ought to be in jail. btw, I'm sure that if Ellison had sold lots of stock at the bottom of the market, and then it went way up, no one would complain. regards, ep | Original Message: | - | From: Tim Gorman Tim@SageLogix=2Ecom | Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:02:06 -0800 | To: ORACLE-L@fatcity=2Ecom | Subject: Re: McCain on Larry Ellison and Corporate Responsibility /=20 | Re: OT - unix | | Nope=2E | | I just thought that people are innocent until proven guilty=2E One=20 | thing about someone in Ellison's position is that it would be=20 | impossible for him to *ever* sell stock without having the unfounded | accusations you've quoted being hurled at him=2E So, are you saying=20 | that it is OK to throw such accusations around, when you don't know | anything about anything? Or is there further substantiation for what | you're saying? Does that mean he should never sell stock? Or should | he just live his life and ignore the critics? | | I respect and admire Sen=2E McCain as much as I respect and admire=20 | anyone, but he is not infallible and he (and his staff) can certainly | be off the mark=2E=2E=2E - Original Message - To: Tim Gorman Tim@SageLogix=2Ecom; ORACLE- L@fatcity=2Ecom Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:49 AM unix Tim, It is my understanding that Oracle's stocks have gone up and down wildly several times=2E As you say, the only time I've heard that Larry Ellison cashed out before a plunge happened was the recent one that McCain brought up=2E I'm afraid I fail to see what you think people should conclude from all that=2E Are you saying that it is ok for stock holding workers and investors to get gigantically screwed just because Larry Ellison has only done it once? -- -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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trying again... --- Forwarded message follows --- Responsibility / Re: OT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:14:39 -0400 | Original Message: | - | From: Johnson, M=2E | Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:23:21 -0800 | To: ORACLE-L@fatcity=2Ecom | Subject: RE: McCain on Larry Ellison and Corporate Responsibility / Re: = OT | Not defending Ellison for anything,=20 Understood | but it appears | McCain is just another politician who is only interested | in his future and he constantly takes on these reform | ideas and just makes the matter worse That sounds really cynical to me. Are you just speculating, or do you have any info to back that up? Note that Oracle/Ellison attempted to buy off politicians here in Sacramento in order to stop the JLAC (legislative) audit of Oracle's ELA with the State of California Note that Senator Sarbanes was on the same TV program (Meet the Press) as McCain, and generally agreed with McCain that there is a horrible lack of corporate responsibility, and that reforming the institutions designed to protect the public's interests has been made extremely difficult by the influence of corrupt lobbyists and lack of effective campaign reform Tim Russert (a rare TV journalist with some integrity) and the Senators spent most of their time discussing the issue of putting executive stock options on the expense sheets so as to more correctly reflect profitability (or lack thereof) Do you think it better serves the investment community for sleazy corrupt executives to be able to hide their shenanighans from analysts and investors? | Everyone should accept the fact that we are in a bear | market and as such all the boats go down Argh, that is the problem, when you have these outrageous examples of greedy, corrupt corporate executives cashing out (***AFTER COOKING THE BOOKS***), leaving others to sink | Everyone should have been smart enough to sell stocks and | put their money into cash or better yet short stocks | when it was very clear that in the Fall of 2000 after the | initial March 2000 sell off that we were going into | a prolonged Bear market Should have been !?!?! That isn't really the issue. As mentioned above, the issue was how excess greed played out when the books were cooked to create a false impression of profitability | Ellison probably took the money and ran when this | became apparent to him and many others. I know I did. So (regardless of whether Ellison is a good example, or not), do you think that there should be *any* accountability for the social damage caused by greed driven unethical accounting practices? (fwiw, I'm sympathetic to libertarian/Chicago school free market ideology, but I fear that like its opposite, leftist utopianism, when taken to extremes, it doesn't work all that well in the real world.) regards, ep -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L OT - unix My understanding is that this was the very first time Ellison had ever sol= d Oracle stock, in over 25 years of the company's existence, in 2000, which = is the occasion that McCain (and you) are referring to=2E As you might be aw= are, there was a far greater opportunity for Ellison to cash out and leave Oracle dangling in 1990, when the price dropped from around $20 to $6 almo= st overnight after some financial-earning restatements=2E On that occasion, = he would certainly have had prior knowledge of what was going to happen, to p= ut it mildly=2E In 2000, any foreknowledge of a long-term downturn (26 month= s and counting?) would have been worth far more than $700m, especially to someone holding several billions in equities=2E=2E=2E - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- L@fatcity=2Ecom Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:13 PM unix Speaking of herds, or at least what is left behind on the ground after they pass: on Meet the Press (TV program), Senator John McCain said that Larry Ellison cashed out $700,000,000 of his Oracle stocks just before they lost most of their value (sarcasm: I'm sure he is planning on plowing it back into the company, especially improving quality in OWS and Metalink)=2E regards, ep On 14 Jul 2002 at 16:28, Alex wrote: Date sent: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:28:18 -0800 the future To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE-L@fatcity=2Ecom =2E=2E=2E As far as DB vendors targeting linux they move in herds and = have just finished their linux port from when linux was a buzzword=2E =2E=2E -- -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego
McCain on Larry Ellison and Corporate Responsibility / Re: OT - unix
Speaking of herds, or at least what is left behind on the ground after they pass: on Meet the Press (TV program), Senator John McCain said that Larry Ellison cashed out $700,000,000 of his Oracle stocks just before they lost most of their value (sarcasm: I'm sure he is planning on plowing it back into the company, especially improving quality in OWS and Metalink). regards, ep On 14 Jul 2002 at 16:28, Alex wrote: Date sent: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:28:18 -0800 the future To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... As far as DB vendors targeting linux they move in herds and have just finished their linux port from when linux was a buzzword. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
(Fwd) ORACLE HAS ONCE AGAIN ROYALLY F*ED UP / Re: Looking for Forms 5
, the latest appears to be for: Forms 5.0.6.23.1, Patch 11 dated 27-jul-00 (of course the selection criteria for any of that results in patch not found!) CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! - So, backtracking, why not try the link at the top of the Patches page? (see further below for Patch Bundles for Individual Products or Components ) latest Oracle Server / Tools Patchsets ( http://ap103aru.us.oracle.com/quicklinks/server.html ) So, under Product Bundles, I click Oracle Developer, select Windows and 2.1.0. Result: | Patch download | You have selected the following patch: | | ID:528263 Patchset::1647241 README ( http://ap103aru.oracle.com/ARULink/Readme/process_form?aru=528 263... ) --- || Oracle Developer/2000 Release 2.1 - Patch Release || for Windows 95 and Windows NT || Release Notes || Release 2.1 For Windows 95 and Windows NT Patch || July 27, 2000 || || Under most circumstances, you DO NOT need to install any of these || patches. || However, if you are instructed by Oracle Worldwide Support to install || any of these patches, please read through this README file before start || your installation. || || If you have installed other products from the Production CD || after applying the GUI Common Files or Tools Utilities patch || from this CD, then you need to re-install them from this CD || again. || || These Release Notes include the following information: || - Contents of this CD || - Installation Instructions || - Information about this Patch Release || || Contents of this CD || At the root level of this CD you will see the following directories: || || \INSTALLR || \FORWIN95 || \PATCHES || \EXTRAS || || \INSTALLR contain operating system specific Oracle Installers (launched || by the SETUP.EXE file), and associated files needed by the Installer. || || In this PATCH, the following components have changed from the previous || patch: || --FORMS 5.0.6.23.1 ... --- | RELEASE 2.1 :PATCH11 | Product:Oracle Developer | Platform:MS Windows NT/2000 Server | Language:American English | Version:Developer 2.1.0 | Last updated:16-FEB-2001 | Size:145M (152796293 bytes) (20 minutes later, the download is still completing over a very high speed University connection, I'll report on the download later when it is done). -- Alternatively, under Patch Bundles for Individual Products or Components , click Developer Forms (OOPS!!! For Windows, there is only a 6i option!!!) h h ha h haa haa h haaa ha h haa haa h haaa ha h haa haa h haaa ha h haa haa h haaa ha h haa haa h haaa ha h haa haa CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! -- ftp updates.oracle.com deny all requests to list from root you have to know the patch number, then cd to that CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! -- Oh well, I guess there is always the next Alice Through the Looking Glass option of logging a TAR and getting some clueless new OWS employee!!! Or going to Forum. CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL THE DECISION MAKERS AT ORACLE THAT METALINK SUCKS?!?! regards, ep On 12 Jul 2002 at 10:25, [deleted] wrote: Tried to find them at ftp://oracle-ftp.oracle.com/dev_tools/patchsets/dev2k/Win95NT/2.1 but all subfolders were empty. Any place else I could look? ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: runInstaller
speaking as a netware/dos/windows person since oracle 5, the 8.1.7 oui for windows 2000 didn't seem that bad, but it did have a lowest common denominator type feel to it. on an old PII/450, it took about 45 minutes to install just the 8.1.7 db pieces (with no starter database), including a fast read through the install docs while running the installer. my far bigger gripe is about the lack of clear, concise, basic (standard) documentation on how to get all the pieces working in a typical client-server environment, particularly in comparison to using oracle 7.3 the list of 397 1/2 various platform and non-platform specific document sets containing bizarre maze of cross references, and all the product renaming and renumbering complexity wierdnesses is a major pita. anyone have a good oracle tech support document id# that just has a straight foward description of what is needed for doing a basic client-server set up of 8.1.7 with the 6i developer stuff (on windows 2000)? ha haa haaa h ha haa!!! On 9 Jul 2002 at 12:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date sent: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:47:19 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I wouldn't give for ./orainst /c right now. RANT Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI when it takes hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: runInstaller
Another thing that seems hilarious, in a sick twisted way of course, the 8.1.7 oui (at least on Win2000) *still* can't deinstall the v7 installer, which now sits tragically and lonely an old oracle home, waiting forlornly to go to that big bit bucket in the sky when the OS gets reinstalled some day in the future. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:Should we upgrade from 9.0.1.2 to 9.2?
To be clear: 9.0.x will *NOT* have any EAS (extended support) either after June 2003. Gruesome. regards, ep On 5 Jul 2002 at 1:18, Yechiel Adar wrote: Date sent: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 01:18:23 -0800 to 9.2? To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. No more bugs fixed after June 2003. from metalink: Product Obsolescence / Desupport Information: Oracle Corporation announces the end of Error Correction Support for Oracle Server - Client, Enterprise Edition, Parallel Server, Personal Edition, RAC Standard Edition version(s) 9.0.1 on the following platform(s): ALL Platforms, effective 30-JUN-2003. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RTFM/ SUPPORT, etc WASRe: Index Constraint
will you also need two stamens? On 25 Jun 2002 at 10:29, April Wells wrote: two pistals at dawn What is dual? ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Difference Between DBMS/RDBMS
did you ever read a basic college level textbook on database technology? google search on codd date rdbms yielded the following: http://www.palslib.com/Fundamentals/The_Relational_Model.html enjoy, ep On 25 Jun 2002 at 1:48, Santosh Varma wrote: could any body point me the difference(s) between DBMS and RDBMS ?? because in DBMS also as in RDBMS, we can related two or more tables..if a column exists in another table for relation ?? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: database 9iR2 and client-server with Forms 6i / RE: (Fwd) Re:
interesting. do you have any explanation of why oracle says that database 91 R2 (9.2.x) *doesn't* support client-server? am I missing something? (i haven't read the database 9iR2 3-tier architecture docs extensively, assuming that it would be a waste of time for the environment i work in.) have you run afoul of oracle tech support with that configuration? what were the problems with your package specifications? regards, ep On 24 Jun 2002 at 12:18, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: you only need 9ias if you are running webforms and then you only need 9ias if you are running in servlet mode. I found that Client server works fine. THere were problems with our package specifications, but once I corrected them it seemed to work. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My understanding is that the developer mode is still client-server, but to do the deployment (more or less runtime?), you have to also have 9iAS set up and running. Can you execute a form in client-server mode in the same manner as a user would (in other words, not in developer mode)? Thanks, Eric On 24 Jun 2002 at 6:08, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: Date sent:Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:08:28 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9iR2 enterprise from the otn download Forms 6i 6.0.8.10.3 on W2K Dell -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L in pure client-server mode? if so: quick, someone tell oracle tech support !!! :) what versions of the database? personal, standard, enterprise, etc??? On 21 Jun 2002 at 5:23, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:23:20 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 9iR2 and forms 6i on my pc and its running ok so far. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L --- Forwarded message follows --- ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Difference Between DBMS/RDBMS
On 25 Jun 2002 at 7:33, Rachel Carmichael wrote: Wang Basic (anyone else remember Wang computers?) in 64K of ram First computer company to advertise during the Superbowl? My dad was the first guy to bring them into the Pentagon (document management system?), somewhere around 1972. When the incompetent secretaries got mad about being replaced with computers, and their union got pissy about same, he fired them. regards, ep -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
database 9iR2 and client-server with Forms 6i / RE: (Fwd) Re:
My understanding is that the developer mode is still client-server, but to do the deployment (more or less runtime?), you have to also have 9iAS set up and running. Can you execute a form in client-server mode in the same manner as a user would (in other words, not in developer mode)? Thanks, Eric On 24 Jun 2002 at 6:08, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:08:28 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9iR2 enterprise from the otn download Forms 6i 6.0.8.10.3 on W2K Dell -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L in pure client-server mode? if so: quick, someone tell oracle tech support !!! :) what versions of the database? personal, standard, enterprise, etc??? On 21 Jun 2002 at 5:23, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: Date sent:Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:23:20 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 9iR2 and forms 6i on my pc and its running ok so far. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L --- Forwarded message follows --- ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
client-server on database 9x (update)/ Re: Upgrading from Forms 5, Oracle 7
--- Forwarded message follows --- re: client-server support on database 9.x Looks like database 9.0.1.x will probably die (without *any* EAS) a lot sooner than 8.1.7. since there is no evidence at this time that database 9.2.x, or later, will ever support client-server, database 8.1.7 looks like the better choice for longevity reasons. regards, ep additional background: ---excerpt--- Linked from search results for 190435.1 Oracle Server (RDBMS) Releases Support Status Summary Information here was last updated on 10-June-2002 ... Oracle Server Releases Status Summary ... Release: 9.0.1.X Current Patch Set 9.0.1.3 Next Patch Set : Late 2002 Error Correction Support Ends ***Probably 30-June-2003** Error Correction Support Ends ***No EMS*** ... http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/showdoc?db=NOTid=148054. 1 ... Product Version(s): 8.1.7 (8i) Platform(s): Platform Version(s): ALL Platforms ALL Desupport End Dates: Error Correction Support (ECS): 31-DEC-2003 Extended Assistance Support (EAS): 31-DEC-2006 Extended Maintenance Support (EMS): 31-DEC-2005 ... EAS will be provided until 31-DEC-2006, if the customer has a current support contract in place. ... Exceptions and/or Miscellaneous Information: Extended Maintenance Support (EMS) will be offered on the following platforms ONLY until 31-DEC-2005: ... Microsoft Windows 2000 ... ---end--- ---excerpt from TAR--- New info : ~ Apparently I neglected to also ask how long database 9.0.1 will be supported? ~ Here is the only information I found, which is not definitive: ~ ~ ~(Enterprise database server) ~ ~ | Desupport Information: ~ | ~ | The lifecycle policy for all Oracle Server releases, where ~ | lifecycle is defined as the length of support by development, ~ | is 21 months for all non-terminal releases and 27 months for ~ | all terminal releases. All desupport dates adhere to this ~ | policy. These dates [***]may move out[***], however, based ~ | on business need, product interdependencies, etc. ~ ~ Oracle database versions 8.1.7 and 9.0.1 have start dates of FEB- 2002. ~ Are you aware of any official statement indicating that there will be a database version (9.0.1, or its replacement?) that supports client- server and developer 6i stuff through the 2006-2008 time frame? ~ Thanks for your patience, Eric 24-JUN-02 15:16:05 GMT Hi Eric, UPDATE TO CUSTOMER: For latest information about database desupport kindly refer the Note#190435.1. Till now there is no official statement indicating replacement for database 9.0.x that supports client-server. ... 24-JUN-02 15:16:24 GMT Email Update button has been pressed -- Sending email. ---end--- On 20 Jun 2002 at 18:43, Eric D. Pierce wrote: ... Would like to go to Oracle 9 on the database if possible. According to OWS, you can run Forms6i (etc.) against database 9.0.x *IN CLIENT SERVER MODE*. ... Apparently Forms 6 latest patch is certified against some Oracle 9s but not the most recent. True? Yes, as stated above, according to OWS you can run client-server against database 9.0.x fyi, according to Metalink lifecycle (or whatever they call it now) the lifecycle of database 9.0.1, which btw started almost the same day as database 8.1.7, would extend from FEB-2002 for either 21 or 27 months. So, the death of databases 9.0.1 and 8.1.7 would be somewhere around DEC-2003, possibly as late as MAY-2004 if they are considered terminal releases. ---excerpt from metalink--- (Enterprise database server) | Desupport Information: | | The lifecycle policy for all Oracle Server releases, where | lifecycle is defined as the length of support by development, | is 21 months for all non-terminal releases and 27 months for | all terminal releases. All desupport dates adhere to this policy. | These dates [***]may move out[***], however, based on business | need, product interdependencies, etc. ---end--- Note that the above dates are well short of the announced death of Forms6i (and presumably other developer 6i stuff) which was 2006 (2008 with extended assistance support, or whatever they call it now). That obviously makes one wonder how one could continue using Forms 6i in client-server mode until 2006 or 2008 unless some database version other than 8.1.7 or 9.0.1 will have client-server support, or unless the desupport dates of either DEC-2003 or MAY-2004 are moved out. Here is the latest word from OWS: | Q) How long will I be able to run developer | (forms/reports/etc) 6i products (or their | replacement products) in client-server mode | against database 9.0.x, or database 9.x ? | | A) Developer 6i products supports Client-Server | mode. Developer 6i is supported until 2006 and | extended support is until 2008. Till 2008 all | developer 6i products which are certified against
Re: SEQ#, DUAL and Oracle literacy
what is dual? On 23 Jun 2002 at 14:45, Jared Still wrote: Ahem... Are you an idiot? ;) On Sunday 23 June 2002 11:38, Eric D. Pierce wrote: HELP -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
oracle tech support outsourced ? / RE: what is the latest db that will
an informal complaint is going to IT management at work, cc'd to the Oracle sales critters responsible for our account. I'm sure they will just toe the party line in favor of Oracle's corporate robotoid mentality, but who knows? all of the IT staff at work will hear how much oracle tech support sucks. many of them are already planning on deploying non-enterprise web/databases on MS technology instead of Oracle/java. (enterprise peployments can't be stopped, unless the legislatitive auditors come up with something real juicy) the underlying problem of course is presumably that support, at least for some platforms, is going to get real sucky because of cost cutting so that the profitability will look good to investors. a similar thing happened back in the mid 90s when oracle first expanded into the Win95 market. there were so many new customers that oracle tech support just hired as many green people as they could, and most of them took a while to get up to speed. it was ugly there for a while. regards, ep On 20 Jun 2002 at 7:28, Brian McGraw wrote: True Story... Names have not been changed to protect the innocent. I had an issue with a standby database about a week ago, and had found a solution on Metalink after logging the iTar. The analyst called, and the conversation went something like this: Me: Thanks for calling, but I found the solution on Metalink. Him: So you know that it's impossible?? Me: No... I found the documents on Metalink detailing how to do it. Him: Well, that's Metalink.I'm with support - we're the experts. Me: Here are the document numbers on Metalink. You might want to look at them. Gave numbers Him: How do I look that up? : ) -- | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance | | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric D. Pierce Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: what is the latest db that will support ***CLIENT-SERVER*** On 19 Jun 2002 at 5:18, Jamadagni, Rajendra wrote: It means to get any kind of support you must be using Developer 6i with patch set 5a or later when connecting with a 9i database. ok. thanks. If OWS says that client server is supported only on 817, cross check if they work for Oracle and not outsourced, and of course remind then to read Metalink regularly. ha haa haaa haa h haaa haa hahahahahahahahaa ha haa haaa haa h haaa haa hahahahahahahahaa ha haa haaa haa h haaa haa hahahahahahahahaa ha haa haaa haa h haaa haa hahahahahahahahaa makes one wonder who the developers of metalink call for tech support !!! --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
(Fwd) Re: Upgrading from Forms 5, Oracle 7
of EMS Date : 30-SEP-2007 | | Migration Path Notes : TBD | | *NOTE: Oracle Server includes Client, Enterprise Edition, Parallel Server, | Personal Edition, RAC Standard Edition Server. | | | | For further assistance with Obsolescence /or this file, please contact | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Last modified: Wednesday, 19-Jun-2002 15:21:22 PDT. ---end--- The below is from Document #148054.1 ... | 8.1.7 (8i) | Platform(s): Platform Version(s): ALL Platforms ALL | | Desupport End Dates: Error Correction Support (ECS): 31-DEC-2003 | Extended Assistance Support (EAS): 31-DEC-2006 | Extended Maintenance Support (EMS): 31-DEC-2005 ... --- Do we have a decision from Oracle on whether Developer 6i will be supported against 9.2? haaa haaa haa haaa (insert insane cackling sounds) I would love to get a stable platform upgrade in this next year so that I would not have to touch these sites for another 5-10 years. (insert more insane cackling sounds) [Political comment] I would love it even more to get a stable and affordable 9iAS forms and reports server in place for these 10-50 user customers. (insert even more insane cackling sounds) According to one investment guy on the ORACLE-L dba list recently, Oracle's business model is getting pretty precarious, incursions by MS SQL Server and IBM/DB2 into Oracle's market share are really causing problems. I guess Oracle's business strategy is to batten the hatches, cut costs wherever possible (including outsourcing tech support?), and hope to weather the storm without losing too many investors. As such, it may be wishful thinking to hope that Oracle will be motivated to continue any sort of robust support for client-server for very much longer. (Unless the customers get really p*ssed off and start nagging like h*ll?). :):):) side note: On the ODTUG Java list a while ago, there was a major discussion between some old time Oracle customers about the pros/cons of using Oracle's up and coming JAVA mid-tier stuff vs. using MS .net (ASP?), which apparently has the capability of running in something like client-server mode. The Oracle employees did their best to try to make a case for spending all the extra money on 3-tier JAVA/Oracle (basically saying that there were benefits to standards that may not be apparent in the short run, and implying that .net is going to just be another funky, inflexible, transitory MS thing that people will have to abandon before the assumed/implied/expected end-of-lifecycle is actually over. (more crazed cackling) It may be that Oracle has seen the handwriting on the wall, and basically conceded defeat on the low end of the LAN market. You may remember how much of giant flop Oracle's last, great marketing project with Novell was. regards, ep --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: (Fwd) Re: Upgrading from Forms 5, Oracle 7
in pure client-server mode? if so: quick, someone tell oracle tech support !!! :) what versions of the database? personal, standard, enterprise, etc??? On 21 Jun 2002 at 5:23, Shaw John-P55297 wrote: Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:23:20 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 9iR2 and forms 6i on my pc and its running ok so far. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L --- Forwarded message follows --- ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: what is the latest db that will support ***CLIENT-SERVER***
OTS says: Client-server developer 6i products are certified and supported on 9i(9.0.x) database from patchset 5a onwards. It is recomended to use latest patchset. What that means, I have no idea, but I'm asking. Note that on another related TAR, they said that developer 6i client-server stuff was only supported on db 8.1.7 In a way, it is good that OTS is as confused as I am, but in another way, it sucks. I understand that developer 6i and developer 9i are supported on database 9i, just not in client-server mode. To *not* use client-server mode, one has to set up an application/web server for browser based forms. UGH. regards, ep On 18 Jun 2002 at 4:13, Jamadagni, Rajendra wrote: Eric, 9i WILL and DOES support 6i client, it is only Forms/Reports 9i deployment in client-server environment, which is not supported. Until 2008 you can continue to use Forms/Reports 6i with 9i, unless of course they de-support it in Oracle 25i. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
select 'RTF*ing sql product comparison on windows 2000' RTFSPCOW from dual;
there is considerable customer interest in it. However, the driver, in both Beta 1 and Beta 2 forms (we tested both), has serious performance and stability problems. ... ---end--- On 4 Jun 2002 at 2:05, Oracle RDBMS Community Forum ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date sent: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:05:26 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California ORACLE-L Digest Tue, 04 Jun 2002 Volume 2002, Number 155 In This Issue: -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: * Certified Oracle DBAs Needed in the Dallas area..
| Joan Miro, Man and Woman in Front of a Pile of Excrement | (Homme et femme devant un tas d'excrements), 1935 97/8 x 125/8, | Joan Miro Foundation, Barcelona http://www.complit.fju.edu.tw/project/project3/miro3-a.htm ( http://www.supersphere.com/Zinetropa/Article.html?ID=Angry_ThoreauanNAME=miro ) --- On 31 May 2002 at 7:33, Whittle Jerome Contr NCI wrote: I have a stable work history! As a teenager I worked at a race track cleaning out stables. Some of those skills and the working environment translated well into being a DBA. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
rtfm? O9i on Win2000 ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 )
Dude, re: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 I just got your book from Amazon. Based a quick scan of TOC about 1/4 of the pages, it looks excellent, and should result in a decrease in mental illnesses related to reading too much metastink and meandering bewildered through the vast maze of official Oracle documentation. What do you see are the major differences between your book and: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072190922 ? thanks, ep ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 150 -- From: Michael P Sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:04:13 -0600 Subject: RE: Any Equivalent of SAR command in NT/2000 ... Shameless plug: I go over this in my book as well as how to select the right counters for your situation. I hope this helps! Regards, Michael Sale Co-author: Oracle 9i on Windows 2000 Tips Techniques -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
char mode interface available in windows 2000 (ms terminal services)
Terminal Services -- ... Starting a Listener on Terminal Server -- (Bug 1458669) The LSNRCTL START command does not return a prompt and hangs when run from the Terminal Services Client. The listener service is started but is unusable. A workaround is to start the listener service by using the NET START command at the command prompt if the listener service is already created. Note that the LSNRCTL START command works when run from the Terminal Server console. Net8 Configuration Assistant hangs when trying to start the Net8 listener on Microsoft Terminal Server. If this hang occurs during installation, exit Net8 Configuration Assistant and start the listener service by using the NET START command if the listener service is already created. ... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oracle Support Services [http://metalink.oracle.com] Copyright (c) 1995,2000 Oracle Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Legal Notices and Terms of Use. ---end--- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: rtfm? O9i on Win2000 (
Thank goodness. I *finally* picked the right book out of the blue. From what I've been able to tell so far, it has a good balance of tech detail and basic day-to-day stuff. For small databases, do people actually run RMAN on the same Win2k server as the database? If so, it is worth it (vs. using the good ol' command line backup methods)? Is it feasible to run the database, RMAN, 9iAS on the same Win2k box in any practical sense? regards, ep On 30 May 2002 at 15:48, Michael P Sale wrote: Date sent: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:48:22 -0800 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 ) To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prefaced with the fact that I have only looked at the TOC and a small amount of content, I would say that our book focuses more on the insider, real world types of information valuable to people that want a deeper understanding of the database on windows, while Velpuri's book is more like a beginner's guide or overview of oracle on windows. Our book looks more into internals like the memory map of an Oracle process on windows, there's a good bit of platform agnostic content(e.g. chapter 2 and much of the networking chapter) written for the windows familiar user. The book is also friendly to those of us more comfortable managing from the command line. I take a good chunk of space to make sure that the reader has the right resources and setup to do DBA work from the Windows command prompt (or use tools like cygwin and the MKS toolkit). I hope this helps. Regards, Michael Sale Author: Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips Techniques http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 -Original Message- Pierce Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 ) Dude, re: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626 I just got your book from Amazon. Based a quick scan of TOC about 1/4 of the pages, it looks excellent, and should result in a decrease in mental illnesses related to reading too much metastink and meandering bewildered through the vast maze of official Oracle documentation. What do you see are the major differences between your book and: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072190922 ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: what is dual?
what is dummy? what is cathar heresy? what is google IPO? On 30 May 2002 at 13:18, Lon White wrote: Wow, google is definately a verbose tool. However, Eric might be more interested in the following: DUAL is a table automatically created by Oracle along with the data dictionary. DUAL is in the schema of the user SYS, but is accessible by the name DUAL to all users. It has one column, DUMMY, defined to be VARCHAR2(1), and contains one row with a value X. Selecting from the DUAL table is useful for computing a constant expression with the SELECT statement. Because DUAL has only one row, the constant is returned only once. Alternatively, you can select a constant, pseudocolumn, or expression from any table, but the value will be returned as many times as there are rows in the table. As quoted by Oracle. Have Fun! Lon Stephane Faroult wrote: Eric D. Pierce wrote: begin hallo what is dual? exit Quote : Dualism is a time-honored philosophical position which is exemplified by: ... (more of it at http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~philos/MindDict/dualism.html). There is also, of course, (ahahaha, how could I forget it) Spinoza's dual-aspect theory in which the unitary substance God is expressed in the distinct modes of the mental and the physical. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
what is dual?
begin hallo what is dual? exit -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
WinXP certified: Oracle 9.x only / Re: CLARIFICATION !
I just confirmed by looking at Certifications on Metastink. You can also run 9.0 or 9.2 on Win2000, but (as Tim said:) you can't run 8.x on WinXP regards, ep On 25 May 2002 at 8:43, KENNETH JANUSZ wrote: I have 9i installed on my Dell 8200 with XP Prof. Works with no problems. Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 10:38 AM For what it is worth... ...only 9i products are supported on WXP pro (btw, no oracle products are support on WXP home)... If you're paying for Oracle Support, you're going to want to either upgrade to 9i to stay on WXP or reinstall W2K to stay with 8i... - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:13 PM Hi, I am from india and my doubt is as follows : I have installed ORACLE 8i in windows xp(professional edition).But my problem is when ever i boot my system the services like oracle instance orcl is not starting at all. That is, its status is still starting , so when i log in to oracle the following error message is displayed ORA-01034 : oracle not available But one thing, if i type svrmgrl in the run box and i connect to internal/oracle then its telling connected and if i type startup then the database is started and now if i goto oracle and log in , then its logging correctly.So in the boot up of the system i must start the oracle instance service automatically... but which is not starting . Tell me how ,please. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle on (Ssshhh IT) / Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 143
Sean folks, www.amazon.com (used) books claims to have the Oracle8 Windows NT Blackbook fwiw: -- Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips Techniques by Scott Jesse, Matthew Hart, Mike Sale Paperback: 612 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.52 x 9.12 x 7.37 Publisher: Osborne McGraw-Hill; ISBN: 0072194626; 1st edition (December 7, 2001) --- [NT/2000] Oracle9i for Windows(R) Handbook by Rama Velpuri, Anand Adkoli Paperback: 528 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.28 x 9.12 x 7.36 Publisher: Osborne McGraw-Hill; ISBN: 0072190922; 2nd edition (April 19, 2002) --- Also, from your list of URLs, this is a nice index page http://www.dbatoolbox.com/Content/nt2000_wp.htm (click NT misc under white Papers at http://www.dbatoolbox.com ) And of course (Halloo Roland), a nice Oracle beginners page: http://www.dbatoolbox.com/Content/beginners_wp.htm regards, ep ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 143 -- From: O'Neill, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:37:06 +0200 Subject: RE: Oracle on (Ssshhh NT) From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:42:19 +0100 Subject: RE: Oracle on (Ssshhh NT) Thanks Rachel, this will be (for this year anyway) on Oracle 8 (not = even 8i, don't ask !!!) As you're stuck with Oracle 8 I'd recommend the following book which I believe is out of print but which you may be able to find via used = books site: Oracle8 Windows NT Black Book ISBN: 1-57610-248-3 Published by = Coriolis. Following Oracle8 NT papers may also be of interest: http://www.nyoug.org/tune8nts.pdf http://www.nyoug.org/ora8winnt.pdf http://www.dbatoolbox.com/WP2001/nt2000/tips_techniques.pdf Following site might also be of use: http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont_main_menu.htm HTH, - Se=E1n O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode]=20 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 143
Another option would be to go for a marketing job *at* oracle. apparently you don't have to know anything technical, or even much about the product. :) ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 143 -- From: Sherry Lopata [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:25:57 -0700 Subject: newbie seeks career direction: become a DBA or DEVELOPER? Hi gurus, I have taken a few Oracle DBA courses at UCLA Extension, passed my first DBA certification exam, but have not been able to find an entry level position in this area. (My background is in printing and marketing... big career move... I've been told my timing is bad cause the job market is bad here). It was suggested to me, by someone at the LA Oracle User Group meeting, that I become an Oracle Developer first. Is this the path you ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 138
good, now we don't have to worry quite so much about that the poo thing. On 18 May 2002 at 2:05, Oracle RDBMS Community Forum wrote: Date sent: Sat, 18 May 2002 02:05:17 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forum) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:54:39 -0700 Subject: RE: How to drop a datafile from a tablespace quickly Umm.. couple of things to verify... First, yes, it is me again! ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: [oracle-l-OT] News.
just as I suspected, once you factor out the legacy sphincter installations, Oracle has the biggest relational O ring. On 14 May 2002 at 15:13, Henry Poras wrote: Tom Kyte posted this url as a reply on one of the newsgroups. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020508/sfw038_1.html ... Gartner: IBM Steals Database Crown from Oracle IBM has dislodged Oracle Corp. from the top of the market for database management software, helped along by its billion-dollar purchase of Informix Corp., according to new figures being released today by Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner Inc. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Server upgrade NT4 - W2K Oracle implications
under the original scenario, presumably one would deinstall oracle before upgrading from NT4 to win2k, and then reinstall it after win2k is in place. - another possible alternative: (first: backup backup backup) variation on the test box theme: add an additional hard drive to install win2k dual boot, reinstall oracle on the win2k partition as a test, and point it at the database (a test instance?) on the other drive and see if it works? if you are anal about security (or what passes for security in the MS world), NT4 to Win2k upgrade is more difficult to secure . doing a clean win2k install and exportin/importing your database is probable a good idea, but may not strictly be necessary. there is a vast amount of info on the net about NT4 upgrade to Win2k vs clean Win2K install. my impression is that to really exploit the more advanced capabilities of Wink, it is considered better to do a clean install. regards, ep On 9 May 2002 at 16:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date sent: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:53:52 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds good in theory. What if the upgrade destroys some DLL in the SYSTEM32 directory that Oracle is dependent on? There may be none Oracle registry entries set such as: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WaitToKillServiceTimeout This is sometimes set to a much higher than default value to allow Oracle to shutdown properly without getting killed by NT. Sounds like something that should be tested on a non-critical system first. Jared O'Neill, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/2002 03:47 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Server upgrade NT4 - W2K Oracle implications We have an 8.1.7 SE database on a server which is currently NT4 SP6. The System Admin group wish to upgrade the server to W2K and propose doing so by recreating the C: partitition. Our Oracle software resides on E: (same physical disk) and database files on other disks/partitions. Are there any implications for the Oracle software and database for this upgrade. Are there any steps I need to take pre or post OS upgrade?. In particular I'm wondering about implications for the registry. Any advice/help would be appreciated. - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
test - text file attachment / Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 123
what is factotum? ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 123 -- From: Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:09:14 -0400 Subject: RE: ITS THE PHB, STPID (was: anti-virus spam) what - you changing careers - trying out for Denis Miller's show? TEST TEXT FILE ATTACHMENT FOR ORACLE-L ANTI-VIRUS SPAMMERS
(Fwd) iDS 9.0.2 / Forms 9i Available
--- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:15:26 -0800 O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m d u n c a n . m i l l s @ o r a c l e . c o m Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California For everyone who's been waiting for 9i wait no longer - (except for the download time of course...) http://technet.oracle.com/software/products/ids/content.html I'm an vacation for a week so hold off on all the complaints for at least that long - just kidding you'll love it! Regards Duncan Mills Senior Principal Product Manager Oracle Application Development Tools ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
oracle nt threads sql / Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 122
ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 122 -- From: Yechiel Adar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:14:18 +0200 Subject: Re: CPU Pegged at 100% Hello Igor Thank you for the info. I got the following script from one of the articals that Thomas Day point to in the message With subject Oracle windows. It shows the threads that oracle is using. The first column has a call to some function that probably did some formating but I deleted it. create or replace view NT_threads as select p.spid ID_THREAD, p.background BACKGROUND, b.name NAME, s.sid SID, s.serial# SERIAL#, s.username USERNAME, s.status STATUS, s.osuser OSUSER, s.program PROGRAM from v$process p, v$bgprocess b, v$session s where s.paddr = p.addr and b.paddr(+) = p.addr; -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 122
the more important question is where are the rocky mtn oysters!? -- From: Weaver, Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:16:25 -0600 Subject: RE: ITS THE PHB, STPID (was: anti-virus spam) Ball in your court, Mr. Pierce. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 122
It is kind of amazing how irrelevant and lacking in substance this discussion is. -- From: Seefelt, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:00:57 -0400 Subject: RE: ITS THE PHB, STPID (was: anti-virus spam) Hmmm, I'm guessing you're a student at csus and not a professional there. Grow up. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
http://www.cnu.org/ | New Urbanism is an urban design movement that burst onto the | scene in the late 1980s and early 1990s. New Urbanists aim to | reform all aspects of real estate development. Their work affects | regional and local plans. They are involved in new development, | urban retrofits, and suburban infill. In all cases, New Urbanist | neighborhoods are walkable, and contain a diverse range of | housing and jobs. new Urbanists support regional planning for | open space, appropriate architecture and planning, and the | balanced development of jobs and housing. They believe these | strategies are the best way to reduce how long people spend in | traffic, to increase the supply of affordable housing, and to | rein in urban sprawl. Many other issues, such as historic | restoration, safe streets, and green building are also covered in | the Charter of the New Urbanism, the movement's seminal document. also see: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/earthpulse/sprawl/index_flash.html - http://www.preservenet.com/politics/NewUrb.html - Here is the guy (Andres Duany) that designed the actual town that was used for much of the movie Truman: http://www.dpz.com Note that Duany has written scathing criticisms of the politically correct mentality in liberal/academic architectural circles that resists a return to traditional/human-centered values in planning and development. Of course I won't even mention how Ross' acute spiraling fascination with metaphysical glitter and sparkles is of extreme importance to this off-topic. ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 121 -- From: Ron Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:13:55 -0400 Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Lisa, What you said about Atlanta and the New York of the south is correct in my opinion. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ITS THE PHB, STOOOOPID (was: anti-virus spam)
It is kind of amazing how irrelevant and lacking in substance this discussion is. It has been explained that the original offender's email server was configured in *stupid mode* because of damagement, not because of the techies. fyi: PHB = pointed headed boss ( http://kltp.kldp.org/eunjea/jargon/?idx=PHB ) to clarify: it is a complete outrage that an email server is set up to barf out a whole screen full of worthless, erroneous and time wasting virus warning messages back to a message sender *MONTHS* (almost a *YEAR*?) after a text attachment has been sent to the list. certainly the above situation qualifies for the WHAT THE F* award of the week, doesn't it? certainly the list owner's attention ought to be brought to bear on whether or not a subscriber ought to be allowed to remain if their system is generating such a huge pile of unwanted fecal material, and certainly consideration should be given to pressuring the email admin, or other f*ing d*kheads in positions of respoinsibility at said subscriber's corporation/organization into reversing their f*ing stupid email configuration policy, no? presumably an expression of outrage at the f*ing stupidity of said f*ing email server configuration would tend to put the issue on someones f*ing radar screen more than some polite request that everyone ignores? anyways, Tim was wrong in thinking that I was insulting fatcity's email admin. Tim's observations about language and tone were irrelevant and lacking in substance, and frankly, regardless of Tim's many other undoubtedly great/vast/endless virtues, culinary or not, I don't care about such ninny-like posturing and false rectitude anyway, so his advice was completely wasted on me. I'm sure everyone was infinitely amused and entertained by your story of being fooled into eating a dead animals' testicles (apparently that topic wasn't covered in 5th grade). regards, ep ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 121 -- From: Mogens =?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F8rgaard?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:17:09 +0200 Subject: Re: ANTI-VIRUS SPAM - YOUR EMAIL ADMIN IS A DIKHEAD --030707020805030006050203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh. I wish I understood half the words used in this exchange. Or maybe not. But I still think Tim is a cool guy and I'm looking forward to drinking beer with him next time we meet. The first time I met with Tim was in Denver where he tricked me into eating something he called Rocky Mountain Oysters. If he ever makes it to Denmark I'll trick him into eating our world-famous blood sausage. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ITS THE PHB, STOOOOPID (was: anti-virus spam)
You are a very silly boy. You get a C for effort, but no extra credit for originality or verve considering that no more seafood stories were forthcoming, and that you haven't posted a .jpg of your sausage yet. On 2 May 2002 at 0:48, Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vauw. I'm truly sorry, Mr Piece. Please see www.Undskyld.org for a few apologies that will of course not in any way convey the deep regret I feel after having said things that have caused you so much pain - it's the best I can do right now. I'm really, really sorry. Will you ever forgive and maybe even forget? Love, Moans Groans Ltd Eric D. Pierce wrote: It is kind of amazing how irrelevant and lacking in substance this discussion is. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle is paying off every politician in sight / RE: How Oracle screwed California
, whom Davis needs to get through the state budget crisis, or Elias Cortez, who heads the Department of Information Technology. Cortez would be the more appropriate official to hold responsible for the Oracle debacle because his department was created to guard against such expensive technology mistakes, but Davis had already fired several high-ranking Latino officials and could ill-afford another incident, especially because the Legislature's most vociferous guardian of Latino affairs, Sen. Richard Polanco, was supporting Cortez. The question remains, however: What did Davis know and when did he know it? Claims of gubernatorial ignorance are undercut by revelations that one of Davis' closest aides, Susan Kennedy, signed off on a memo summarizing the contract. Keene, in fact, testified that Steve Nissen, the head of Davis' reinventing government initiative, had urged him to speed up the contract. A few months later, Nissen left the administration for a position with a Los Angeles law firm, headed by former national Democratic Chairman Charles Manatt, that also represents Oracle in the software dispute. Despite all of this, the governor's official mouthpieces insist that Davis knew nothing of the pending contract and that there is no connection between it and the hefty campaign contribution. Audit Committee Chairman Dean Florez, a Democratic member of the Assembly from Fresno, commendably resisted pressures to avoid embarrassing the governor. Florez wants to schedule additional hearings on the debacle, and it will be interesting to see if Herb Wesson, the newly minted Assembly speaker, sanctions a wider probe. Wesson is a Davis loyalist who also received a $10,000 contribution from Oracle last year. Davis, as part of his effort to deflect attention from himself, says he wants Attorney General Bill Lockyer to investigate what happened. But Lockyer received a $25,000 check from Oracle less than a month after the contract was signed last May, and leaving it to Lockyer is a surefire way to keep the matter bottled up until after the election. The Legislature should pursue this matter vigorously -- as vigorously as it did the scandal enveloping former Republican Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush -- but if it is unwilling to do so, perhaps the U.S. attorney's office should be brought into the case. ---end--- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
MS process/thread monitoring tools / RE: CPU Pegged at 100%
consider using qslice, or an alternative?: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/tools/existing/qslice-o.asp - http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/tools/existing/pstat-o.asp --- http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3023 ... | Process Explode (pview.exe) monitors all aspects of a process, | such as the number of threads the process is using and the type | and amount of committed mapped memory. This tool might interest\ | developers. However, Process Explode is not useful for general | users or administrators who want an overview of system resource | use. | | Quick Slice (qslice.exe) is a simple application that graphically | displays the percentage of CPU that each active process uses. | This tool gives only basic information, but it is useful for a | quick graphical overview of per-process CPU use. | | The resource kit includes Process Explode and Quick Slice. | Several of Microsoft's Visual Development tools (e.g., Visual | C++) include Process Explode. ... --- http://www.blueneptune.com/~maznliz/marius/software.shtml ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 120 -- From: Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:28:56 -0400 Subject: RE: CPU Pegged at 100% oracle.exe spawns out threads, which you will not see running in the task manager. Each DBWR process then will be a thread of oracle.exe. RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have 5 DBWR processes according to INIT.ORA on NT .. I see them on V$SESSION but There is only one process ORACLE.EXE in the processes list of NT still. I do not understand the behaviour of ORacle on NT neither the Oracle I think. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 120
are you a roland? ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 120 -- From: Ravindra B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:37:28 -0700 Subject: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1EF83.01703690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HELP --=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1EF83.01703690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1 META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2600.0 name=3DGENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=3D#ff DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2HELP/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML --=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1EF83.01703690-- -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Meghraj Thakkar - Quest - Oracle 9i on Windows NT/2000 / Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 120
Meghraj Thakkar - Quest Oracle 9i on Windows NT/2000 http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=6p_type=sessionp_id=11958 - Whitepaper: http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=W11958.zip (expands to 105.doc) | Some parts of this paper have been extracted from the books | Teach Yourself Oracle8i on Windows NT in 24 Hours by Megh Thakkar | (ISBN: 0672315785) and | e-Business for the Oracle DBA by Megh Thakkar (ISBN: 0672321475) - Presentation; http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=P11958.zip (expands to 105.pps) ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 120 -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:29:55 -0700 Subject: RE: CPU Pegged at 100% Thomas, If you could locate that paper, we would all be grateful. I have been unable to find it. Thanks, Jared Thomas Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/29/2002 06:59 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: CPU Pegged at 100% I don't think that increasing the db_writer_processes will help. NT is, as noted elsewhere, multi-threaded. Increasing the db_writer_processes will not start a new process. My experience with Oracle on NT is that when the CPU is pegged at 100% it is because the OS is constantly writing and fetching the contents of RAM to the swapfile. Meghraj Thakkar from Quest has a good paper on running Oracle 9i on Windows NT/2000. A search on Yahoo will probably find it for you. I don't have the URL. The following points are taken from that paper. Decrease the size of SGA so that all of the SGA and the OS will fit in physical RAM. This will decrease the use of the swapfile. Choose Maximum throughput for network applications in the control panel. Oracle does it's own memory management. Trying to let Windows memory manage on top of that adds to swapfile use. -- From the Services panel, disable all unneeded services. This includes You should not touch alerter, browser, eventlog, messenger, Oracle Service, Oracle TNSListener, Server, spooler and workstation. If you have 9i, set PRE_PAGE_SGA = TRUE. This tells Windows to keep the SGA in physical memory (RAM) as much as possible. It will get paged out --- that's the nature of Windows --- but not as often. Windows does IO buffering. However, Oracle does its own IO buffering apart from the OS. Performance can be increased and more of the RAM made available to the SGA by using REGEDIT and editing the registry. Go to \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Control\SessionManager\MemoryManagement and setting LargeSystemCache to 0. Be sure to back up the Registry before editing. HTH -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: ANTI-VIRUS SPAM - YOUR EMAIL ADMIN IS A DIKHEAD
You silly! I was talking about the email admin at the guy's company, not fatcity. It has subsequently been explained to me that damagement is at fault (surprise) and ought to be blamed for all evil, not the email admin. http://www.dogdoo.com Ross can explain how brown fits into the metaphysical context of your astral plane. ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 118 -- From: Tim Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:34:46 -0600 Subject: Re: ANTI-VIRUS SPAM - YOUR EMAIL ADMIN IS A DIKHEAD / (Fwd) Antigen found =*.*.txt file Eric, A 5th-grade teacher once admonished me on cursing by pointing out that the English language has 100,000 words in frequent usage and how unimaginative it was to constrain myself to the same dozen or so words to describe my feelings... Bruce, the guy who runs FATCITY as a sideline business (because this business doesn't generate enough money to support the typical family), restricts all attachments not only out of concern for viruses, but for the more practical reason of limiting message size and therefore storage and network capacity. It's a good policy -- if you'd like to send attachments, please address people directly... ...and please grow up. -Tim I don't know if this guy (Evans, David) is subscribed to this list, but if so, please tell your email admin that this stuff sucks. A text file attachment is not automatically equivalent to a virus attachment. If their system wasn't set up by such dikheads, they would know that they can implement packet scanning at the email gateway in a non-intrusive manner that is far more effective than this spam cr*pola. http://www.antivirus.com/products/isvw/ regards, ep -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 117
http://www.dogdoo.com ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 117 -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:11 +0200 Subject: Ms Access user forum Hallo, any one whom knows how where to find a good MsAccess user forum where I can ask questions? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
fwd: Oracle/ODBC
Date sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:05:32 -0800 -- From: Gardiner, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:07:15 -0500 Subject: Oracle ODBC On Windows95 (Don't ask) :) ORACLE ODBC BRAIN DUMP from [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following are random notes for getting ODBC access to Oracle databases. These notes are for Win2000 and MS/Access and MS/Excel. They should not be much different for Win95. INSTALL ORACLE CLIENT I used cd #a840505-01. This has ODBC Driver 8.1.6.0.0. You can get a later one from Metalink. I have 8.1.66. The biggest problem is if you have multiple oracle products installed (with different oracle releases) on one PC. Some Oracle product can share Oracle Homes on the PC registry, some can't. See Metalink notes. 70215.1, 66464.1, 65995.1. Oracle PC client software that is before release 8.0.4 (uses orainst installer) usually can't share PC registration entries and must be installed in one Oracle Home. Oracle PC client software that is after release 8.0.4 (Oracle Universal Installer java based) is pretty good about multiple Oracle products. Using Oracle Universal installer choose Custom Install, Net8 client, Oracle Protocol Support, Sqlplus, Oracle ODBC Driver. I like to put this in it's own Oracle Home WINDOWS REGISTRATION ENTRIES If there are multiple Oracle Homes, how does the Windows app (Access or Excel, sqlplus, etc) know which to use? For Software after 8.0.4, it looks for the file oracle.key in it path. It's in the Oracle Home /bin directory. This file points to the correct windows registration entries. By changing the path, you change which windows registration entries. If you install pre 8.0.4 software, install them first. Internet Explorer 5.5 must be installed prior - I don't know why! TNSNAMES.ORA After I install the Oracle client, I like to add a registration entry 'TNS_ADMIN' that points to the lan directory that has our TNSNAMES.ORA file (like P:\APPS\ORAWIN95\NETWORK\ADMIN) WINDOWS ODBC SETUP Adding ODBC DSNs are a little different for win2000 versus win95 Win2000 start, settings, control panel, administrative tools, data sources (odbc) Win95 start, settings, control panel, odbc data sources (32 bit) SETTING UP THE ODBC CONNECTION The Data Source Name must match a entry in the ODBC application (MS/Access or EXCEL) TNS Service name must match an entry in a TNSNAMES.ORA file. Use the highest level Oracle ODBC driver listed. I think the Microsoft supplied ODBC driver is based on Oracle 6, so we never use it. ORACLE ISSUES The odbc user will have the same privileges as a sqlplus user! We have a db profile that sets all roles to select only. We don't want ODBC users update the database. Sometime an ODBC user is prompted for a userid and password. This must match the oracle database user name and password. You can test this test this with sqlplus at a dos command prompt When the ODBC application does not prompt for a password. An Oracle User OSP$USERNAME must match the network id on user's PC. The ops$username database account must have the correct database privileges to view the tables. The first time a ODBC user signs into the database, all table name are displayed to the user. This may take minutes to log in. There is a limit of 4000 table names displayed. Sometimes because of some other error, only one table is displayed. There is a suggested solution in METALINK Note 124117.1. This involves creating database special ALL_OBJECTS and ALL_SYNONYMS view for that user. I would not want to do this for every individual ODBC user but we could create a generic ODBC oracle database user so we could control what users see by this technique. I don't like the idea of a ODBC user seeing the names of every table even though they might not have select access on it. PATH ISSUES The biggest problem is getting the windows path variable correct. I don't want to set a path in an autoexec.bat file or Win2000 system env variable, so I execute Access (or whatever) this with a shortcut pointing to a .bat file: set path=C:\oracle8iClient\8.1.6\bin;%PATH% C:\Program Files\MICROSOFT OFFICE\OFFICE\MSACCESS.EXE You will also need to do this for the ODBC Administrator Setup Panel set path=C:\oracle8iClient\8.1.6\bin;%PATH% C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ODBCAD32.exe The Oracle utility 'Oracle Home Selector' sets the path too. See Metalink Note 66464.1. Sqlplus and tnsping at a DOS prompt are very good at debugging connection problems. Other Notes from Metalink or OTN Note 11841.1, 1029911.6 ODBC 8.1.6.6.6 Read Me Using the Oracle ODBC Drivers with Third Party Products by Rick Schultz, Oracle Corp Hope this helps Steve Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX
ANTI-VIRUS SPAM - YOUR EMAIL ADMIN IS A DIKHEAD / (Fwd) Antigen found =*.*.txt file
I don't know if this guy (Evans, David) is subscribed to this list, but if so, please tell your email admin that this stuff sucks. A text file attachment is not automatically equivalent to a virus attachment. If their system wasn't set up by such dikheads, they would know that they can implement packet scanning at the email gateway in a non-intrusive manner that is far more effective than this spam cr*pola. http://www.antivirus.com/products/isvw/ regards, ep Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from acsdefense.com ([208.155.8.98]) by csus.edu with ESMTP id LAA23736 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.acsdefense.com ([192.168.101.7]) by gateway.acsdefense.com with ESMTP id 119046; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:35:41 -0400 Received: by webmail.acsdefense.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id JQ8R7M2K; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: 299610E95611D411AE5500508BA37D830155F48F@ACSPHX03 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:22:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 Y0F158.CNM Antigen for Exchange found Text from file 'ORACLNT5.TXT'.txt matching =*.*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, oracle/nt-5 (last), was sent from Eric D. Pierce and was discovered in Evans, David\ORACLE- L\EP located at ACS/ACSPHX/ACSPHX03. --- Forwarded message follows --- To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:22:06 -0400 Antigen for Exchange found Text from file 'N093_NT4.TXT'.txt matching =*.*.txt file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, N093_NT1.TXT [4 of 4], was sent from Eric D. Pierce and was discovered in Evans, David\ORACLE- L\EP located at ACS/ACSPHX/ACSPHX03. --- End of forwarded message --- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: What is Oracle made from ?
I always wondered who got the shaft, I had assumed it was customers. On 17 Apr 2002 at 9:23, Jan Pruner wrote: No, it is of the most gentle substrate of the shaft of moon light. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe its C++ now but it was C. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Archiving Data Strategies.
Council on Library and Information Resources http://www.clir.org/home.html - http://www.clir.org/pubs/issues/issues25.html#plan - -- http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/rothenberg/contents.html Avoiding Technological Quicksand: Finding a Viable Technical Foundation for Digital Preservation by Jeff Rothenberg January 1998 Contents Preface Executive Summary Introduction The Digital Longevity Problem Preservation in the Digital Age The Scope of the Problem Technical Dimensions of the Problem The Inadequacy of Most Proposed Approaches Criteria for an Ideal Solution The Emulation Solution Research Required for the Emulation Approach Summary References ---end--- On 15 Apr 2002 at 9:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian, I've put of replying to this for a couple of weeks now. I see that no one else has replied either, at least to the list. Archiving data is a rather complex subject. ... Biddell, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/27/02 01:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Archiving Data Strategies. Hi All, I previously posted this question to the Lazydba List and got a couple of replies, but thought I would also send it to this list as well to see if I can just get a couple more (so excuses to those people that have already seen it) I am currently discussing with a customer their requirements for archiving data as their system is 4 years old and billing data is piling up which obviously is affecting performance. I am pushing for an Oracle upgrade, they are currently on 7.3.4 and I am trying to get them to go to 9i. The main reason for this is so they can use partitioning. My question to the List is to try and find out other people's experiences in archiving complex and integral data and whether most have gone the partitioning path or some other path (ie. Something like separate tables and data migration). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
fwd: Maximizing Productivity When Running Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000
---excerpted--- Session Search Oracle OpenWorld Display Session Paper #105 Title Maximizing Productivity When Running Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000 Speaker Megh Thakkar Quest Software Track Fast Track to Oracle9i Description System administrators and DBAs can take numerous actions to optimize the performance of Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000. This presentation discusses various strategies for integrating, automating, and simplifying the administration of Oracle9i with Windows NT/2000. Practical tips are provided for using Oracle9i capabilities that can make an immediate impact on the current system. Schedule Wednesday December 5th, 2001 at 08:30 AM in room Room 103 WhitepaperDownload ZIP format. http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=W11958.zip PresentationDownload ZIP format. http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=P11958.zip ---end--- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
http://www.orsweb.com ... ? robocopy ? Perl ? VB ? / Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 095
OldFiles or a similar intuitive name. Robocopy will move users' old files into this OldFiles destination folder. Write a script that first deletes all the files and folders in the OldFiles folder and then calls Robocopy. Listing 2 contains a script that you can adapt. In your script, have Robocopy move all the files that are older than a specified number of days (e.g., 120 days) or a specified date (e.g., 070199) from the source directory to the OldFiles folder. Robocopy automatically clears the source area of any old files, and you can use the /move switch instead of the /mov switch to clear any empty directories. Schedule the script to run at a specified interval with the Net Use command. Keeping users' old files in the OldFiles folder until the next scheduled deletion run rather than immediately deleting them can save you work down the road. If users need a file that Robocopy removed, you can restore the file from the OldFiles folder rather than from the backup tape. ---end--- ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 095 --- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, To save me re-inventing the wheel: Does anybody have a batch script (that runs on NT) that deletes archive log files that are older than X days old? I've looked at the DEL command, but this doesn't have a date/time based attribute parameter.. Has anybody been through this already? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
re: dump.sql
apparently there were some 1000 char fields with carriage return/linefeed solved: |update | foobar | set | column_with_junk = |replace( column_with_junk, CHR(10), '~') /* '~' arbitrary */ | where |instr( column_with_junk, CHR(10) ) 0 | replace(column_with_junk,CHR(10)) would just get rid of the CHR(10)s (linefeeds) altogether. don't worry, the character return/linefeeds are not important to the users any longer. regards, ep --Message-Boundary-20593 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:04:09 -0800 --Message-Boundary-22766 After dumping out several thousand records, I get: ERROR: ORA-01489: result of string concatenation is too long without getting exhaustively exhaustive about the thing, anyone seen the error? thanks, ep --Message-Boundary-22766 Content-description: Text from file 'Dump Tables To A Flat File.txt' http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/dump/dump.html Dump Tables To A Flat File Dump Oracle Tables To ASCII/Comma Delimited File dump.sql is a utility to dump a single table to a comma and double quote delimited file. In addition, SQL*LOADER control and parameter files will be generated as well. dump.sql will remove all double quotes from the data to avoid confusing SQL*LOADER. If you don't like this behavior, you may easily modify dump.sql to use a different delimiter, or skip using the quotes altogether. The use of the quotes however, makes it possible for commas to appear in the data without confusing SQL*LOADER. dump.sql in ASCII ( http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql ) --end-- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 094
the after trigger is missing the lone ranger? ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 094 -- From: Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:29:24 -0800 Subject: RE: sysdba Well, with all this info I can't imagine that someone will not be able to help you. -Original Message- paPIpapupapePO Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L i cant connect as sysdba. ORA-01031 - insuffecient privileges. can anybody help me? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
dump.sql
After dumping out several thousand records, I get: ERROR: ORA-01489: result of string concatenation is too long without getting exhaustively exhaustive about the thing, anyone seen the error? thanks, ep http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/dump/dump.html Dump Tables To A Flat File Dump Oracle Tables To ASCII/Comma Delimited File dump.sql is a utility to dump a single table to a comma and double quote delimited file. In addition, SQL*LOADER control and parameter files will be generated as well. dump.sql will remove all double quotes from the data to avoid confusing SQL*LOADER. If you don't like this behavior, you may easily modify dump.sql to use a different delimiter, or skip using the quotes altogether. The use of the quotes however, makes it possible for commas to appear in the data without confusing SQL*LOADER. dump.sql in ASCII ( http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql )
