[Origami] Christmas Storygami?
Is there any non-religious-themed Christmas StoryGami that anyone knows of?
Re: [Origami] Origami conventions in unconventional areas
By "developing," I have in mind countries that are maybe not as wealthy or are fairly newly industrialized, but whose conditions might be prohibitive to casual tourists looking for a beach vacation or something that's conventional. I like the idea of walking more than a few feet without encountering a McDonald's. By restrictions, I mean places that perhaps are now "open enough" for people to visit but are volatile with respect to how long they may be open. When Iran was called Persia, pre-1935, it was a lot more accessible, but then over time it became more restricted. The overall idea is to go places that most people don't, meet people you wouldn't normally encounter, and experience life in a place where few like you have gone. And do origami. On 5/21/2019 4:09 PM, laura rozenberg wrote: What is your definition of developing nation? And what kind of travel restrictions you have in mind? Laura Rozenberg On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:01 PM Rob Hudson wrote: Hi all, What are some origami conventions in developing nations, or places that tend to be less accessible to or less attended by people from the United States? (perhaps, in some cases, due to travel restrictions)?
[Origami] Origami conventions in unconventional areas
Hi all, What are some origami conventions in developing nations, or places that tend to be less accessible to or less attended by people from the United States? (perhaps, in some cases, due to travel restrictions)?
Re: [Origami] Origami Shop Order Processing Delay
On 1/25/2018 2:24 PM, Anne LaVin wrote: You did, of course, ask via the addresses listed at the shop's website before sending this message to all of us here on the list, right? Did you not hear back, or did the mail bounce? I've seen nothing but friendly, prompt and all-around exceptional service from the (small) gang at origami-shop.com, myself. Anne Yes, of course. Contacted twice via the form and have heard nothing back. My order is still shown as "registered," so I can only assume it is hung up in their system. I posted to the list in the hopes that the proprietors are following and might respond privately.
[Origami] Origami Shop Order Processing Delay
Has anyone else had an issue with Origami-Shop not processing orders quickly? I ordered a digital download and just assumed it would be available immediately, but the order is still hung in the queue.
[Origami] Lubbock origami?
I'll be in Lubbock,TX March 2-6 on business. Any folders there?
[Origami] Diagramming standards for 2016?
Hi all, I'm reviewing some diagrams and I am wondering what the modern "standard" is for diagramming symbols and conventions. I know there have in the past been several schools of thought, but I am curious about what people are using today. I've been a disciple of the Robert Lang Origami Diagramming Conventions, which were first published in 1989. From age 15 (then) to age 41 (now), that's what I've relied upon. Though it is technically 16 years since his last update (an epilogue in 2000), much of what I see is still relevant. Robert continues to provide his quite thorough guide online at http://www.langorigami.com/article/origami-diagramming-conventions. Are there other commonly-used conventions in diagramming today? Are they published? Thanks!
[Origami] Rarest books or publications?
What are the rarest books or publications that came out since about 1930 or so? I'm working on a group research project to acquire and categorize and study out of print origami. Filling in some historical gaps as well.
[Origami] Centerfold transport Lancaster to Columbus
Looking to catch a ride for Centerfold from Lancaster, PA to Columbus Thursday the 28th. Anyone passing near or through? Please pm me. Thanks!
[Origami] Paperfolders in or near central PA
Anyone here know of origami enthusiasts in the York, Harrisburg, Reading, or Lancaster Pennsylvania area? I know there are some in Philly and Allentown. Trying to get some regular local club going and it's tough to find people.
[Origami] Book with Uchiyama Tatos, what's it like?
Been getting into tato folding lately after seeing Palmer's octagonal Uchiyama tato design. There's a book out that looks like it features many Uchiyama designs, but I'm not sure how many or what they're like. It's called ORIGAMI FLOWER PATTERNS WORLD OF UCHIYAMA MINGEI SERIES VOLUME 3. Anyone have the book that could comment on the types of models and instructions? I found a copy for $50 U.S. but I want to make sure it's worthwhile. Link to book info: http://www.book-komiyama.co.jp/booklist_detail.php?item_id=27223
[Origami] What do you call a paperfolder
What do you call yourself, enthusiasts of origami? In English or in your native language. I'm looking for a title to put on a profile or calling card of some sort, and "Origami teacher" is the only thing that I seem to have enough experience in to really add a title. Things I've seen: Origami teacher Origamist Paperfolder Origami artist Origami enthusiast Commercial origami designer Origami author origami
Re: [Origami] Who's model is this
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Cye M. Newmanwrote: > Who's model is this: > I know it's a modular star and that the diagrams are publicly available. I just can't find them now. The units, I think, are squares.
[Origami] GSM vs LBS and variations. Help!
Hi all, I've been trying to figure how thick paper will be by glancing at the packaging in the store, but it seems like there's a difference (at least as they're expressed in US units, lbs) among brands and types. Some things listed as "65 lbs" seem to be foldable paper; others feel more like card stock. The description on the packaging is generally inconsistent. I find myself sneaking the shrink wrap off to feel the paper. In searching online, I find the metric (gsm) notation to be consistent, but I'd like to be able to do a conversion to foldable paper in LBS units. Can someone explain how lbs associate to gsm?: Thanks! Rob
[Origami] Trigger Warning: glue
Origami scofflaws: What kind of glue do you use when you're attaching modules together permanently for sturdiness? Constraints: in the United States, need it quickly so ordering online isn't an optio
[Origami] High intermediate or complex FLAT angel model ?
Anyone know of a high intermediate or complex angel model that is flat (or relatively flat; pleated wings are ok)? I'm looking for something to fold and send out to friends who have lost loved ones recently or for whom the holidays are reminders that loved ones are no longer in their lives. I'd prefer something a little more elaborate than the simple ones I'm seeing. I'm aware of the Neale angel and the modification and do not prefer it. Thanks!
[Origami] U.S. vendor options for origami paper (or overseas with quick shipping)
Hi all, I'm teaching a class where I'll require a small amount of paper, but the organization for which I'm teaching insists that I get pricing from 2-3 sources, even for the small amount that I need. Some accountability process gone overboard. In any case, I would like opinions on three U.S. (or fast shippers to U.S.) paper sellers or businesses that have Star Dream and Elephant Hide paper and quick turnaround. My first pick is Kim's Crane, but I don't have experience to know who else is popular in the States. You can PM me privately or respond to this message if you can identify other sources for small-ish quantities of these two papers in the U.S. or if you have experience with those sources. Thank you! I'm doing someone a favor by teaching and I'm trying to make the administrative part less stressful. Rob
Re: [Origami] World Origami Days-Free Online Classes at Origami Heaven
I had the opportunity to attend one of the World Origami Day classes at Origami Heaven (Dennis Walker's) and was impressed with how it went. A brief quirk with our local audio being muted left the group physically at OH to rely for a bit on strictly visual cues. This turned out to be a good thing: it illustrated both Dennis' skill in teaching and the potential of the platform to work even if the teacher wasn't speaking a language understood by everyone. I was especially impressed with Patty Grodner, who was on the front line, handling not only issues with the feed but also setting it up and coordinating with the facility. Few people understand just how risky it can be walking into a new place that may or may not have reliable internet, setting up a video conference, and seeing that it works the entire time. It's tempting to assume that errors are an effect of poor preparation, when in fact issues arise despite preparation. The mark of an effective planner is the ability to respond to things quickly and ensure that things run smoothly. Thanks again to Patty and the rest of the team that made this event a success. I must disclose that I'm not an Origami USA member, so my opinion does not create a conflict of interest.
[Origami] Copyright violation wall of shame?
Is there a running list somewhere of people who are ripping off origami artists without attribution or permission who currently persist? Or a party that is responsible for confirming alleged violations? Maybe it's my advancing age, but I get quite cross walking into Barnes and Noble in the States and seeing what looks like a James Sakoda bird base rose featured prominently on a jewelry kit or book with no attribution whatsoever. Also, what's the current, most effective best practice for making people cease and desist when they're doing this? (Note: I'm not trying to start a discussion on the intricacies of copyright law, what constitutes a violation, settled cases (e.g. Lang et al), or musings about what should or shouldn't be legal)
[Origami] Small origami model for condolence card for US Veteran
A colleague's father, a WWII veteran and teacher, passed away yesterday and I wanted to send a card with a small, flat origami piece inside. I normally send angels, but I wonder if there's a model out there that would capture the veteran angle or the teaching angle. He's also a Texan, so there's that. Thanks for any advice.
[Origami] Folders in Central PA who want to meet
I'm doing a few small gatherings in Lancaster, PA and am looking for folders who are around the area or who would like to participate. Email me at caveatrob+orig...@gmail.com Thanks!
[Origami] Rather realistic deer head model for the granddaughter whose hunter grandpa just passed away
Hi, My friend just told me her grandfather died and because of family issues she isn't making the funeral. She asked if I'd make her a deer head (he enjoyed hunting) for her to place in the casket when she was able to be alone there to grieve. She liked the Fuse elephant spiral, and while I doubt there is a deer spiral, I suspect something high intermediate or complex would do. I'm a decent folder, so I can handle most things. Thank you for any information you can provide, even if it's a pointer to a book or a page or a photo. Best, Rob
[Origami] Hudson meetup origami
Those of you who know me and would like to exchange models in person this weekend, I'll be at Mark's. Send me a private email at caveat...@gmail.com to make arrangements. Thank you, Rob
Re: [Origami] Square paper no cuts
Robert Lang wrote... A lot of my tessellations and geometrics are folded from weird shapes (like, really irregular serrated polygons). I just say what they are. Then people can decide for themselves if they want to stick their personal label of origami on them I've been making a lot of Fujimoto hexagon flowers from rectangles, and the first step is always to fold the two top corners in to make the 120 degree angle. those flaps are not used later, and make the subsequent folding bulky at those two points. I also see Fujimoto (and others) start with a square, then fold corners in to make hexagons and octagons. There's even a few Palmer models that do it. If you started with an actual hexagon or octagon, you'd get the same result; the extra paper adds nothing to the model aside from legitimacy being from a square. A lot of dollar bill folds do this as well. I've had this hang up for a while, and have resisted cutting off corners and bits to remain pure. I still balk at making cuts to give extra flaps, or to cut a deer shape out of paper and then fold it in half to make the deer, but I'm encouraged that just because you *can* do it with a square doesn't necessarily follow that you *should*. TLDR: Robert Lang says relax. Thank you!
Re: [Origami] Protocol for permission from deceased paperfolders
Nigel said: Regarding Ligiya Montoya copyright. This is more difficult as some of her models are in Robert Harbin books.. How does the compensation agreement that Harbin had with Montoya (if any) impact future sales of the Harbin works with her models? That is, if you hold the copyright to publish a deceased author's works, do the contributors to that original work effectively forfeit compensation or discretion in how their designs are distributed? I can see how complicated this could get, given that many origami books contain models from many designers. How do you consider publication or distribution (or restriction thereof) of Harbin's works with respect to the contributors? By the way, thank you for giving such a well-informed answer! It's terrific that you have developed a system for handling this sort of thing; it's refreshing to know there are solutions in place to handle it. Now I'm off to determine if i can publish a book of Nick Robinson's models as my own designs if I change the coloured side on each model to the opposite, and claim it's transformational instead of derivative. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[Origami] Protocol for permission from deceased paperfolders
I've read the copyright and decorum threads here since I started with the O-List nearly 20 years ago (God, I'm old!), but I've never gotten a grip on the protocol and legality of using the models of passed paperfolders (not necessarily the diagrams; those are a separate copyright issue IIRC). I know some laws vary by nationality, but there seems to be a general consensus, at least in our community, that we should voluntarily do certain things in order to get permission to use a model. Or risk, I assume, the censure of the origami community? Lawsuits from the estate? Does it matter whose models are used? I'd suppose that selling Yoshizawa butterflies at a museum gift shop without permission would garner more ire than, say, selling Robert Harbin Angelfish on Etsy. Philosophically, once a person has died, and having no direction specified to next of kin regarding the usage of models and designs, should the discretion, usage, and ownership (ethically) pass to the next of kin or legal inheritor of the estate? If by some horrifying twist of fate, the legacy of Dave Brill is legally granted to his long-estranged and unknown son, Rob Hudson, should Hudson now have the right to stick googly eyes on the Brill tree fairies and sell them for a nickel a piece at a gaudy flea market? To return to a little more structure, let me use an example. I want to sell Ligiya Montoya parrots as earrings and include instructions that I drew with some paper so the buyers could make their own pair. Ligiya Montoya is deceased. Should I worry about copyright law on ancient models, and further, how that law works in her native country, Argentina? Or internationally? I *may* be in violation ,but legal consequences are remote. Will the community censure me? If I skip the law and try to contact her family or estate for permission, whom am I satisfying? Those who consider that once a designer has passed, their work should now be available to be used, would be okay with it. Those who believe the rights to intellectual property persist and are inheritable would be upset if I didn't bother, or inquired, was rejected, and did what I wanted to anyway. Who are the moral authorities here? How would the O-List react? How would the organizations and origami luminaries in a position to influence perception of folders react?
[Origami] Violation of copyright - this vector art?
Hi - Was browsing for origami bunnies and came across a piece of stock/royalty free vector art that shows origami rabbit models from different designers (uncredited). http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-origami-paper-rabbits-collection-detailed-vector-rabbit-image35242108 Is this legal? How does this fall under use? Rob
Re: [Origami] ADMIN - list mail delivery problems (possibly just for Yahoo users)
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Anne LaVin anne.la...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/13/14, Anne LaVin anne.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not certain why (fallout from the Heartbleed bug? something else?) but the last two O-list messages, which were both from Yahoo users, caused a tremendous number of bounces when the server tried to deliver them. Just to add on to this - Anne has been very patient with an issue I had with my Yahoo account getting hacked, resulting in my address book (with the O-list email address) being stolen. Also, my account sent Spam to everyone on that list, including the O-List. Even after I canceled the Yahoo account, the O-List continued to receive mail from that Yahoo address. Except closer inspection showed that though the email appeared to come from the Yahoo account, it was actually being forged (faked) and coming from somewhere else. The bottom line was - a Yahoo account I closed looked like it was spamming the O-List, but the mail was being faked. Yahoo has had a few security breaches, so your account may be unknowingly sending out mail, or appearing to do so when yo've closed it or changed your password. Best advice is to cancel that account. Anne can share with you how she handled the messages from the account and flagged them as Spam. That might be helpful for your friends who receive messages that look like yours. Is this the swan song for email lists?
Re: [Origami] Older models/first time giveaways?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:38 PM, John Scully jscu...@ohiopaperfolders.comwrote: So - If you have pieces you would like to donate to this cause, please contact me. We could use duplicates, since we do have multiple display sets ... If anyone else has excess pieces they would like to donate, we are happy to pay shipping. I replied privately to John to thank him, but wanted to express that this is a wonderful idea! Either for displays or for giveaways. Mark Kennedy used to have a box of slightly weathered or mildly mutated earrings and pins he'd let the kids pick from, gratis, and I always thought this was a great idea. Rob
[Origami] Source for Elephant Hide or equivalent in USA, a USA chain, or Central PA?
Anyone know where I can either get elephant hide from the continental USA or what I can use instead to make models like palmer boxes and star springs and flashers? Thanks!
Re: [Origami] Practigami: Neorigami's first printed book
On 1/1/2014 7:47 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: Rob Hudson mentioned in his last reply that the printed book would be too expensive for him. I wanna tell everyone I'm sorry. During this week I've discovered that the print on demand company I chose offer very abusive shipping costs to other countries. I had no idea since there's an office in my own city; that was exactly why I had chosen that company, because having them close gave me some confidence. I just want to say a hearty THANK YOU for listening and working with your future customers! This is how good things happen. If you're not a real editor, you might be something better. rob
Re: [Origami] Practigami: Neorigami's first printed book
. Maybe in the future we'll consider that option. That's too bad. Is it about the compensation model for contributors? I'd assume it's got to be in electronic form for publication. I'm sorry this is going to be prohibitively expensive for me as a print book. The internet has been fantastic at cost savings and distribution. It's funny,I actually saw yesterday on a forum someone agreeing to buy an ebook instead of pirating a copy. come on, guys, he says, it's cheap and all the money goes to the creator. That's the first time I've ever seen that out in an unmoderated space.
Re: [Origami] Practigami: Neorigami's first printed book
On 12/25/2013 12:41 AM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: Oh happy day! You can finally buy Neorigami's printed book: Practigami Have you considered offering this as an EBook download for purchase in addition to the print copy? One of the biggest costs and prohibitions to purchasing books comes from dealing with shipping, etc. Origami USA seems to be doing a great job with this in diagram/booklet sales (Robert - maybe you can comment on how it's going? From a customer's perspective it's awesome). Hope you'll consider that! Rob
Re: [Origami] Can you identify the author of this flower?
This is a lovely flower made from the bird base, which is turned into a four pointed star. The center is close-squashed, the points are blunted and you get the flower. Hi Leyla (and all), That flower looks like a sort of modified version of Jim Sakoda's rose.
Re: [Origami] Ethical question for creators/authors
Let's not be naive in the first place and think that someone who obtain a bootlegged copy really intends to pay the author or anybody for that matter! It happens, maybe not all the time, but aside from someone growing a conscience or coming to understand things, I can see a few cases where someone with a bootleg might be compelled to pay up. 1. Item isn't available for sale in their area. 2. Shipping costs/trade exclusions prevent physical media from being able to be sent. Yes, we do have folks from Iran and other countries that routinely have regime madness and US Sanctions imposed. 3. Item may be out of print. I see no reason why one shouldn't contact the author if acquiring or having access to an electronic copy. Fair use and copyright law are fuzzy on this. I can see cases and instances listed above being legit. Hypothetically, if I found a scanned copy of an out-of-print Randlett book, I'd have no issue contacting the author about paying for it. The author would actually make out better in this case, since the secondhand/out of print market isn't part of the author's revenue stream. Granted, the absolutely proper way to do this would be to contact the creator, the estate, the publisher, ava anyone in the ownership and contract chain, and typically try to arrange a new printing. That can work successfully. I'm wondering what other published origami authors think in these cases. Also, what conscientious consumers consider ethical and okay. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [Origami] Ethical question for creators/authors
Robert Lang writes: I'd say that if you as author made an agreement with your publisher that you would sell your book and divvy the funds in the ways spelled out in your contract, and then you went and sold it some other way, that's not very ethical. YEMV. This is where I get a little confused over concepts. Let's say you wrote a book with diagrams for 50 models, and retained the ownership of the designs. Could you then sell the diagrams for the 50 models to someone outside of the collection of the book? Or a subset? When I say could, I'm interested mostly about ethics; values and practices in our small community are more interesting to me than laws, particularly from the perspective of creators and publishers.
[Origami] Ethical question for creators/authors
Authors/Creators: Let's pretend someone got a hold of a bootlegged, unlicensed ebook of one of your books (or diagram collections). Assuming the item is available for sale (but maybe not in this format), would it be acceptable to pay the author directly for the copy, if that venue of communication were available? For example - let's say Joe gets a hold of a PDF of Gjerde's book, and decides to do the right thing. He can either (1) purchase the book through an official market or venue, or (2) send Gjerde a payment directly for the full amount. In this instance, Gjerde is going to get the full purchase price of the book, whereas otherwise he's going to get whatever he and his publisher have agreed upon. The whole argument of supporting the authors seems to lean in a compelling way towards this scenario. Thoughts?
[Origami] Map NoteCubes from Viking, CA?
I bought some notecubes (non-sticky) made from old maps that were 4 square. It's been a few years, and I think I got them from a Canadian company called Viking. I haven't found them since. Here's what they look like: http://www.workingstorage.com/files/map_paper.jpg
[Origami] Request for nice water birds - heron, pelican, ibis
I'm trying to impress my boss, who likes water birds (pelican, ibis, heron, geese). Can someone point me to a nice model or two that looks like the subject enough to be recognized by a layperson? It need not be complex. Thanks! Rob
Re: [Origami] list archives?
I was just wondering if there might be news about the list archives coming back online (or maybe I have the wrong link(s))? Anything I/we can do to help? Also - is there the possibility of hosting what's currently there in the interim for people to access and search themselves?
[Origami] RIP Russell Sutherland. Folder, Artist, Friend
Tonight I am mourning the death of Russell Sutherland, a good friend of mine since 2003, who died at his computer last night. Russell had struggled with many, many medical issues, and was in pain and bad shape, limiting the time he could physically work with his hands to create his origami art. Russell had a lot against him, from poverty to lost nerves (thoracic), but always looked forward to a time where he could be an Artist-in-Residence, doing his origami and sharing the art with others. Russell was there for me in some very personal struggles, and I helped him when I could. His conflicts and struggles with others dwarfed mine, but his were much higher stakes, from fighting for basic finances and living conditions to struggling to retain his identity as an artist as others sometimes took credit for the work. This made Russ exceedingly upset, and, I fear, his outbursts reflected poorly on him to those who didn't understand the level of his pain and his convictions and how much he was a part of the work and relationships that he made. Regardless, over the past few years, Russell never hesitated to contact me to see how *I* was doing. In reviewing our conversations and logs, I see so many times where he was enduring severe pain and life stress, and yet still produced his art and listened. And despite my own complaining and middling issues, Russ followed my tiny struggles and always, always opened and closed our conversations with remember that you can always call me to talk. I'll miss you, Russ - wish I'd picked up the phone more and pissed and moaned less.
Re: [Origami] Legally protecting useful models?
It seems unlikely Gerardo was expecting legal advice here. That said, there is a wealth of copyright knowledge on this list that is useful when someone wants general information. Some of us deal with copyright on a regular basis. Actually, it seemed like he was directly seeking legal *options*, as protection and ownership of the product of a design is a legal issue. Strangely, the US Copyright office article on useful articles seems to be pretty clear. I'd think that without any (known to me) legal precedents, the regulation is pretty much how things work in the US. If a corporation or business *did* create product from the origami design, practically speaking, I'd think that Gerardo would then have to muster the legal resources to do battle. And against a big company, the outcome is likely to be bad for him. The other option, though, I'd suggest is public censure and shame. It's not easy to do, but I've seen a few high-profile cases where such things got so much Internet publicity that companies backed down. I can't find any in my notes here now, but I know I've seen them. What I'd recommend, considering that you want to demonstrate original authorship (for social and public concerns, not legal), is that you start posting pictures and information about your model on the web to establish to the people you've made the design. Then if your design is used to produce useful articles, you can appeal to the community and make the purloining company look bad.
Re: [Origami] good kami
Regarding good kami, I have been very happy with the duo/double color stuff I've found at Michael's stores in the USA. It folds well, but of course is not white on one side. Michael's usually has a 40%-50% off coupon weekly, and if you're a teacher, you get an additional 15% off. It's a nice way to stock up. I also see A.C. Moore and Michael's offering sales on sketchbooks. I use them for making simple notes and then recycle the pages to make envelopes and boxes. I like the Canson Mixed Media pads - they make very sturdy models. Rob
Re: [Origami] Who set all these origami definitions and conditions?
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Chris Lott ch...@chrislott.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jorge E. Jaramillo odrau...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there's been discussion of some conditions to consider or not consider a model this or that. So I ask who set all these definitions? This reminds me of an article by David Shall in an old issue of the Origamian, the Friends of the Origami Center (I think) newspaper/letter from years ago. David attempted to classify models by difficulty and came up with a system to do so. It was interesting to compare that against others doing the same thing. I don't actually have that issue anymore, but if someone else does, that would make good reading. Rob
Re: [Origami] Copyrighted material on a group in FB via the site that it links to.
So, the call to action is: if you're an origami creator (or you have permission to represent one in DMCA notices) then take a look at the list here: I'd say go a step further and refrain from posting in that group trying to argue with people about that sort of thing. Just take a breath and do the reporting part. Never try to teach a troll to behave. It wastes your time, and annoys your spouse or loved one.