[OSList] Apology

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

I apologize to Mark and everyone on the list for the recent posts I made on
Mark's thread.

They were, as I read them now, clumsy and needlessly provocative and
thoughtless.

I am going to stop for a long period of reflection.

Jeff
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Re: [OSList] Beware of Bad Bosses... Take it From the Dilbert Cartoon

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Yes thanks John!

Michael, I want to ask about one element of your story, and propose that it
makes a difference in human systems. Curious your thought about it!

As an OST facilitator you are present for "the expanded time and space for
the unfolding of selforganization." Another term for being present as a
facilitator is "hosting."

I notice that attentive "hosting" among humans makes a difference in the
quality of our experience and collaboration together. We might host one
another without a facilitator, but attending to this relationship in some
way can bring a huge leap in quality.

So I modify my idea like this: "learning to trust the forces of HOSTED self
organization" is a remedy for institutional or personal habits of control.

Warmly,
Jeff





On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 11:36 AM john watkins  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> And, maybe to be a little redundant to say, but meant to be respectfully
> honoring, both Chris Corrigan and Peggy Holman have really beautiful
> graphics that describe this path.
>
> John Watkins
> Oakland, CA
>
> On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael. Yes that's an interesting framing thank you.
>
> I am partial to the "chaordic path" taught in the Art of Hosting. This
> short video with a group of trainers talks about control, order, and chaos,
> and the sweet spot of leadership found in the dance between order and
> chaos.
>
> https://youtu.be/B8SNaAH20fk
>
> To try a first response to your question, I might say that "learning to
> trust the forces of self organization" is a remedy for institutional or
> personal habits of control.
>
> With my best for your holydays as well,
>
> Warmly,
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 12:29 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> all the best to you in 2022 and Merry Xmas.
>>
>> I wonder in which way the assumption
>> "OST and other participatory methods are intended to remedy ..."
>> is congruent with the assumption that OST is not intending to remedy any
>> particular situation.
>>
>> As ost facilitator my assumption is that OST is an effective approach to
>> expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation and that
>> control accomplishes the opposite... and that it is utterly impossible
>> to know what the forces of selforganisation will bring about.
>>
>> Isn't that what makes the OST approach unique?
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>>
>> Am 13.12.2021 um 03:38 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
>> > So yes, my question wasn't fully formed until now:
>> >
>> > I am fascinated that folks who are passionate about Open Space can be
>> in
>> > differing "poles" of the "polarity" in the USA, and also be able to
>> show
>> > how OS is a kind of guide to understanding their own view.
>> >
>> > Which leads me to wonder if good old OS can help unlock insights into
>> > the situation in a fruitful way.
>> >
>> > Being USA centric in an international list has its issues, but any
>> > insight from outside the USA is welcome and important, including a
>> > request to keep it among us folk.
>> >
>> > We may not want to "go there" here, and that would be fine, but i would
>> > feel remiss not to mention it, as 2022 draws near. It will be a big
>> year
>> > in these parts.
>> >
>> > Warmly,
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 2:08 PM Jeff Aitken > > <mailto:r.jeff.ait...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, it seems that the paradigm of authoritarian leadership is
>> > exactly what OST and other participatory methods are intended to
>> > remedy.
>> >
>> > The postwar work in social systems by folks like Kurt Levin and
>> > others were a response to the tragic origins of the second world
>> > war, along with the outdated mechanistic notions of human
>> > organization. OD work and later OT work like Open Space have this in
>> > their genealogy.
>> >
>> > I'm so curious how we may have differing perspectives on where such
>> > authoritarian impulses are present now, and what to do about them.
>> >
>> > Not to "go there" right here and now, but to invite an inquiry into
>> > the resources of this legacy of theory and practice as a guide for
&

Re: [OSList] Beware of Bad Bosses... Take it From the Dilbert Cartoon

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Michael. Yes that's an interesting framing thank you.

I am partial to the "chaordic path" taught in the Art of Hosting. This
short video with a group of trainers talks about control, order, and chaos,
and the sweet spot of leadership found in the dance between order and
chaos.

https://youtu.be/B8SNaAH20fk

To try a first response to your question, I might say that "learning to
trust the forces of self organization" is a remedy for institutional or
personal habits of control.

With my best for your holydays as well,

Warmly,
Jeff





On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 12:29 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Jeff,
>
> all the best to you in 2022 and Merry Xmas.
>
> I wonder in which way the assumption
> "OST and other participatory methods are intended to remedy ..."
> is congruent with the assumption that OST is not intending to remedy any
> particular situation.
>
> As ost facilitator my assumption is that OST is an effective approach to
> expand time and space for the unfolding of selforganisation and that
> control accomplishes the opposite... and that it is utterly impossible
> to know what the forces of selforganisation will bring about.
>
> Isn't that what makes the OST approach unique?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
> Am 13.12.2021 um 03:38 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
> > So yes, my question wasn't fully formed until now:
> >
> > I am fascinated that folks who are passionate about Open Space can be in
> > differing "poles" of the "polarity" in the USA, and also be able to show
> > how OS is a kind of guide to understanding their own view.
> >
> > Which leads me to wonder if good old OS can help unlock insights into
> > the situation in a fruitful way.
> >
> > Being USA centric in an international list has its issues, but any
> > insight from outside the USA is welcome and important, including a
> > request to keep it among us folk.
> >
> > We may not want to "go there" here, and that would be fine, but i would
> > feel remiss not to mention it, as 2022 draws near. It will be a big year
> > in these parts.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 2:08 PM Jeff Aitken  > <mailto:r.jeff.ait...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it seems that the paradigm of authoritarian leadership is
> > exactly what OST and other participatory methods are intended to
> > remedy.
> >
> > The postwar work in social systems by folks like Kurt Levin and
> > others were a response to the tragic origins of the second world
> > war, along with the outdated mechanistic notions of human
> > organization. OD work and later OT work like Open Space have this in
> > their genealogy.
> >
> > I'm so curious how we may have differing perspectives on where such
> > authoritarian impulses are present now, and what to do about them.
> >
> > Not to "go there" right here and now, but to invite an inquiry into
> > the resources of this legacy of theory and practice as a guide for
> > muddling into the near future.
> >
> > Maybe skilled hosting would be called for in such a case. (Not
> > volunteering, as I am surely holding one of the "poles".)
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 12:28 PM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList
> >  > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Mark, check out Daniel Mezick’s A-1 Meeting, as a way to give
> > the bosses a taste and help them test their own resolve. You
> > could build the A-1 around the OST Principles and Law. Odds are,
> > some of the bosses really are Open.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Marc Trudeau
> > mobile 774-641-8302 
> >
> > LikeBreathin.com <http://likebreathin.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Effective teamwork and team leadership feel nearly effortless,
> > Like Breathin’​. Partner with us to experience how.
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList
> >>  >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> Greetings!!
> >>
> >> Bosses that SAY they are Open are perhaps ALL talk...
> >> THEREFORE, Beware of Bad Bosses.  This is My New 1st Law of
> >> OST

Re: [OSList] Beware of Bad Bosses... Take it From the Dilbert Cartoon

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

So yes, my question wasn't fully formed until now:

I am fascinated that folks who are passionate about Open Space can be in
differing "poles" of the "polarity" in the USA, and also be able to show
how OS is a kind of guide to understanding their own view.

Which leads me to wonder if good old OS can help unlock insights into the
situation in a fruitful way.

Being USA centric in an international list has its issues, but any insight
from outside the USA is welcome and important, including a request to keep
it among us folk.

We may not want to "go there" here, and that would be fine, but i would
feel remiss not to mention it, as 2022 draws near. It will be a big year in
these parts.

Warmly,
Jeff

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 2:08 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Yes, it seems that the paradigm of authoritarian leadership is exactly
> what OST and other participatory methods are intended to remedy.
>
> The postwar work in social systems by folks like Kurt Levin and others
> were a response to the tragic origins of the second world war, along with
> the outdated mechanistic notions of human organization. OD work and later
> OT work like Open Space have this in their genealogy.
>
> I'm so curious how we may have differing perspectives on where such
> authoritarian impulses are present now, and what to do about them.
>
> Not to "go there" right here and now, but to invite an inquiry into the
> resources of this legacy of theory and practice as a guide for muddling
> into the near future.
>
> Maybe skilled hosting would be called for in such a case. (Not
> volunteering, as I am surely holding one of the "poles".)
>
> Warmly,
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 12:28 PM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Mark, check out Daniel Mezick’s A-1 Meeting, as a way to give the bosses
>> a taste and help them test their own resolve. You could build the A-1
>> around the OST Principles and Law. Odds are, some of the bosses really are
>> Open.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> Marc Trudeau
>> mobile 774-641-8302
>>
>> LikeBreathin.com 
>>
>>
>>
>> Effective teamwork and team leadership feel nearly effortless, Like
>> Breathin’​. Partner with us to experience how.
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Greetings!!
>>
>> Bosses that SAY they are Open are perhaps ALL talk...  THEREFORE, Beware
>> of Bad Bosses.  This is My New 1st Law of OST, unwritten and unspoken, of
>> course. In my humble (or not so humble) opinion, All believers in and
>> Facilitators of Open Space Technology must understand times have changed.
>> In the US, we now live in Retaliation Nation. Don't believe it, just look
>> at any and all the news. One smear campaign after another. Yet, the great
>> USA is the most open and envied society on earth, right? Before leading
>> your Open Spacers into the Tiger's Den, prior to the invitation stage and
>> setting up the theme, i suggest you first vet the true intent of the
>> bosses.  Look at their past behavior and figure out whether they are open
>> or if they repeat past behavior to pounce on open and honest people they
>> consider Snitches.  If a boss is dishonest and fake, do not consider
>> honoring them with the miracle of OST.  They don't deserve trust and will
>> crush criticism like a bug.
>>
>> Take it from today's Dilbert Cartoon:
>>
>> Dilbert holds an Open Meeting... Dilbert says...We won a guvmint contract
>> to build a CO2 capture machine. We are only brainstorming so remember,
>> there are no bad ideas... Alice says...we could capture CO2 with a net.
>> Aren't you going to write that down?  Dilbert says...No, I'm fairly
>> confident I'll remember that suggestion for the rest of my life... then
>> Wally says...we could attract the CO2 with some sort of food... then
>> Dilbert says...Forget it. You're all idiots. I'll just design the stupid
>> machine myself... As employees exit the meeting, Alice says...that was
>> fun.  Then Wally says...
>> I love brainstorming!
>>
>> Wishing Peace to the Peacemakers and TO ALL those you serve.
>>
>> Mark Carmel, OST Facilitator
>> Collaborator King
>> Circle of Synergy
>> Circle of Champions
>> Circle of Peace
>> Chief cook and bottle washer...
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Re: [OSList] Beware of Bad Bosses... Take it From the Dilbert Cartoon

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Yes, it seems that the paradigm of authoritarian leadership is exactly what
OST and other participatory methods are intended to remedy.

The postwar work in social systems by folks like Kurt Levin and others were
a response to the tragic origins of the second world war, along with the
outdated mechanistic notions of human organization. OD work and later OT
work like Open Space have this in their genealogy.

I'm so curious how we may have differing perspectives on where such
authoritarian impulses are present now, and what to do about them.

Not to "go there" right here and now, but to invite an inquiry into the
resources of this legacy of theory and practice as a guide for muddling
into the near future.

Maybe skilled hosting would be called for in such a case. (Not
volunteering, as I am surely holding one of the "poles".)

Warmly,
Jeff


On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 12:28 PM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Mark, check out Daniel Mezick’s A-1 Meeting, as a way to give the bosses a
> taste and help them test their own resolve. You could build the A-1 around
> the OST Principles and Law. Odds are, some of the bosses really are Open.
>
> Peace,
>
> Marc
>
>
> Marc Trudeau
> mobile 774-641-8302
>
> LikeBreathin.com 
>
>
>
> Effective teamwork and team leadership feel nearly effortless, Like
> Breathin’​. Partner with us to experience how.
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Greetings!!
>
> Bosses that SAY they are Open are perhaps ALL talk...  THEREFORE, Beware
> of Bad Bosses.  This is My New 1st Law of OST, unwritten and unspoken, of
> course. In my humble (or not so humble) opinion, All believers in and
> Facilitators of Open Space Technology must understand times have changed.
> In the US, we now live in Retaliation Nation. Don't believe it, just look
> at any and all the news. One smear campaign after another. Yet, the great
> USA is the most open and envied society on earth, right? Before leading
> your Open Spacers into the Tiger's Den, prior to the invitation stage and
> setting up the theme, i suggest you first vet the true intent of the
> bosses.  Look at their past behavior and figure out whether they are open
> or if they repeat past behavior to pounce on open and honest people they
> consider Snitches.  If a boss is dishonest and fake, do not consider
> honoring them with the miracle of OST.  They don't deserve trust and will
> crush criticism like a bug.
>
> Take it from today's Dilbert Cartoon:
>
> Dilbert holds an Open Meeting... Dilbert says...We won a guvmint contract
> to build a CO2 capture machine. We are only brainstorming so remember,
> there are no bad ideas... Alice says...we could capture CO2 with a net.
> Aren't you going to write that down?  Dilbert says...No, I'm fairly
> confident I'll remember that suggestion for the rest of my life... then
> Wally says...we could attract the CO2 with some sort of food... then
> Dilbert says...Forget it. You're all idiots. I'll just design the stupid
> machine myself... As employees exit the meeting, Alice says...that was
> fun.  Then Wally says...
> I love brainstorming!
>
> Wishing Peace to the Peacemakers and TO ALL those you serve.
>
> Mark Carmel, OST Facilitator
> Collaborator King
> Circle of Synergy
> Circle of Champions
> Circle of Peace
> Chief cook and bottle washer...
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Re: [OSList] Creative New Jersey -> Gathering Ground

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

thanks Suzanne.

Great to see that talk again - I'd forgotten it was the aftermath of
Hurricane Sandy in the NY and NJ region.

Look forward to anything more, if it works to share it

warmly
Jeff


On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:52 AM Marc C. Trudeau via OSList
 wrote:
>
> ❤️
>
> Marc Trudeau
> mobile 774-641-8302
> LikeBreathin.com
> Effective teamwork and team leadership feel nearly effortless, Like 
> Breathin’. Partner with us to experience how.
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Suzanne Daigle via OSList 
>  wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff, Peggy and all!
> A short note now that will be followed by something longer a little later.
> Creative New Jersey is an Open Space love story that Chuni Li and I had the 
> privilege to be part of. It is one of my most treasured client engagements, 
> one that lives up to what we often say in this work. That after it is done, 
> they will forget we were ever there. Because they owned it, they lived it and 
> they ran with it. And indeed they did!
>
> This past year I have been consumed by a project near and dear to my heart. 
> I’m in the process of writing a very intimate and personal book on Open 
> Space. Not done yet but soon. The title: “Open Space on the Open Road: A Love 
> Story”. The 2-day Open Space that took place is featured in one of the 
> chapters.
>
> A silver lining from this New Jersey tale is the life long friendship that 
> ensued between Chuni and I which includes her family. For days many times 
> over, I stayed at her home as we worked on this project.  Later,  many other 
> colleagues from around the world also stayed at Chuni’s home hosted by the 
> extended Li family after the annual Peace and High Performance gathering in 
> January in New York. What memories all because of this wonderful event.
>
> And because Harrison Owen had this crazy idea to put Chuni Li and I together 
> more than a decade ago. Some time later, people from this group would invite 
> Harrison to do a Ted Talk in New Jersey, the wonderful Dance of Shiva. A gang 
> of us were there in the audience to hear it.
> https://youtu.be/APD7oQ3xrSA
>
> Chuni may also want to weigh in on this Creative New Jersey story from her 
> perspective. I just wanted to share the back story and savor the memory a bit 
> more before thin telling the tale of what happened there.
>
> With much love to all on this list, after a joyful Thanksgiving, with 
> Hanukkah just past and Christmas soon at our door.
>
>  Apologies that I’ve not been on the list much in recent years.
>
> Suzanne
>
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Re: [OSList] Creative New Jersey -> Gathering Ground

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

"After 10 years of convening communities around critical issues,
silo-busting, and building and strengthening local networks, our new
identity embodies Gathering Ground’s sharpened focus on nurturing and
amplifying community-rooted solutions woven across socioeconomic divides."

>From their site and video, their "adapted" format seems to consist of one
day of OST for topics and conversation, and then a second day of groups
getting into collaborative action. Good stuff.

Jeff

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 6:31 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> From afar, this project looks so powerful! Celebrating 10 years using
> "modified" OST for community conversations all around the state of New
> Jersey in the USA. Now it has been renamed Gathering Ground.
>
> I'm curious not to have seen any mention on the oslist. Does anyone know
> anyone on the inside, who can tell any stories?
>
>  https://youtu.be/E7AfwdpY6-M
>
> https://gatheringground.us/category/gg-team/
>
> - Jeff
>
>
>
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[OSList] Creative New Jersey -> Gathering Ground

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

>From afar, this project looks so powerful! Celebrating 10 years using
"modified" OST for community conversations all around the state of New
Jersey in the USA. Now it has been renamed Gathering Ground.

I'm curious not to have seen any mention on the oslist. Does anyone know
anyone on the inside, who can tell any stories?

 https://youtu.be/E7AfwdpY6-M

https://gatheringground.us/category/gg-team/

- Jeff
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Re: [OSList] Where Angel's Fear to Tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

entered
>> their
>> >>> mind during the process that they then posted.
>> >>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
>> >>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation
>> that
>> >>> manifested...
>> >>>
>> >>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>> >>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast
>> system
>> >>> of that enterprise have a look here
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from
>> the
>> >>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers from Berlin
>> >>> mmp
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>> >>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed
>> the
>> >>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have
>> added
>> >>> more great questions.
>> >>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a
>> gathered
>> >>> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
>> >>> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>> >>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>> >>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> >>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>> >>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>> post
>> >>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted,
>> and does
>> >>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>> >>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in
>> the
>> >>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be
>> posted
>> >>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on
>> anyone to
>> >>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather
>> than
>> >>> abundance of possibilities.
>> >>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>> >>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would
>> like
>> >>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the
>> words
>> >>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is
>> this
>> >>> what you mean?
>> >>> in genuine contact,
>> >>> Birgitt
>> >>> Picture*
>> >>> *
>> >>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> >>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>> >>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>> >>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>> >>> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>> >>> >> Learn More & Register <
>> >>> http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>> >>> upcoming workshops here.
>> >>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>> >>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>> >>> Like us on Facebook <
>> >>>
>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG
>> >>> >
>> >>> Connect on LinkedIn <
>> >>>
>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHfiqG
>> >>> >
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> >>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>> >>>lurking here somewhere.
>> >>>The facilitator asked the sponsor, 

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

; "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in
>>>> the moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be
>>>> posted at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on
>>>> anyone to pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation
>>>> rather than abundance of possibilities."
>>>>
>>>> had some memories come up.
>>>>
>>>> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out
>>>> that the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of
>>>> the event before the event... in case nobody would post them.
>>>> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the
>>>> participants.
>>>> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered
>>>> their mind during the process that they then posted.
>>>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
>>>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that
>>>> manifested...
>>>>
>>>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>>>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system
>>>> of that enterprise have a look here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the
>>>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>>>>
>>>> Cheers from Berlin
>>>> mmp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>>>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the
>>>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added
>>>> more great questions.
>>>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a
>>>> gathered group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to
>>>> generate excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>>>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>>>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>>>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>>>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>>>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>>>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>>>> abundance of possibilities.
>>>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
>>>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
>>>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
>>>> what you mean?
>>>> in genuine contact,
>>>> Birgitt
>>>> Picture*
>>>> *
>>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>>>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>>>> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>>>> >> Learn More & Register <
>>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>>>> upcoming workshops here.
>>>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>>>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>>>> Like us on Facebook <
>>>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG
>>>> >
>>>> Connect on LinkedIn <
>>>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHf

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

t;>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that
>>> manifested...
>>>
>>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system
>>> of that enterprise have a look here
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>>>
>>>
>>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the
>>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>>>
>>> Cheers from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>>>
>>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the
>>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added
>>> more great questions.
>>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered
>>> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
>>> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>>> abundance of possibilities.
>>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
>>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
>>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
>>> what you mean?
>>> in genuine contact,
>>> Birgitt
>>> Picture*
>>> *
>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>>> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>>> >> Learn More & Register <
>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>>> upcoming workshops here.
>>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>>> Like us on Facebook <
>>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG
>>> >
>>> Connect on LinkedIn <
>>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHfiqG
>>> >
>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> >> wrote:
>>>Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>>>lurking here somewhere.
>>>The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>>>proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>>>going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>>>But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>>>responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety
>>>of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>>>question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems
>>>changing creativity?
>>>Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>>topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>>What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>>>post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>>>posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>>What can the OST methodology teach the WDL metho

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

ve added
>> more great questions.
>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered
>> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
>> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
>> abundance of possibilities.
>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
>> what you mean?
>> in genuine contact,
>> Birgitt
>> Picture*
>> *
>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>> >> Learn More & Register <
>> http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
>> upcoming workshops here.
>> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
>> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>> Like us on Facebook <
>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG
>> >
>> Connect on LinkedIn <
>> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHfiqG
>> >
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >> wrote:
>>Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>>lurking here somewhere.
>>The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>>proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>>going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>>But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>>responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety
>>of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>>question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems
>>changing creativity?
>>Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>>topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>>post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>>posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?
>>Early morning questions,
>>Jeff
>>On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList
>>><mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >> wrote:
>> From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have
>>heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what
>>occurs when people meet in Open Space.
>>I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to
>>give language to new ideas, it’s rough. The effort falls into a
>>pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the
>>ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different
>>words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.
>>Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?
>>I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing
>>towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope
>>it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to
>>notice and grow.
>>Thanks for sending the article Jeff.
>>
>>Peggy Holman
>>Co-founder
>>Journalism That M

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

selves experienced that other issues entered their
> mind during the process that they then posted.
> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation that
> manifested...
>
> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast system
> of that enterprise have a look here
>
>
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>
>
> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from the
> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>
> Cheers from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
>
> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>
> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that emanated
> from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the responses
> and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added more great
> questions.
> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered
> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying topics/contexts
> to invite that fruitful variety?
> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
> that limit the potential and health of the system?
> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
> abundance of possibilities.
> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
> what you mean?
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
> Picture*
> *
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
> >> Learn More & Register <
> http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
> upcoming workshops here.
> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
> Like us on Facebook <
> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG
> >
> Connect on LinkedIn <
> https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHfiqG
> >
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> >> wrote:
>Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>lurking here somewhere.
>The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite variety
>of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of systems
>changing creativity?
>Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?
>Early morning questions,
>Jeff
>On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList
><mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>
> wrote:
> From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have
>heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what
>occurs when people meet in Open Space.
>I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to
&g

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

https://thesideview.co/journal/warm-data-and-iced-lemonade

Here Nora and global friends talk about Warm Data, and the new project they
created last year, People Need People, trying this work online together.

Stories like this share the juicy reality, as we also know from our
experiences in Open Space.

On the oslist, I like to put focus on the different design elements of OST
and WDL, which are important to assess and learn.

And yet our lived stories are "what gives credence to the notion that a
deeply human response to complexity is possible."

This ties in to our earlier thread, about Working With Stories, and the
beauty that we gather in our stories of Open Space around our world.

Onward...
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Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Birgitt.

Yes, surely a wise response to a perceived lack of diversity of topics in
OST would be to increase the diversity of perspectives in the room.

It was made clear to me that "whoever comes are the right people" needed to
be explained as referring to the movements of the people who are already
within the room. That helps folks understand that we will value an increase
in diversity of perspectives for the next time. Assuming that is true!

With a Warm Data Lab, the diversity if contexts posted is limited by the
imagination of the sponsor and facilitator (and the number of breakout
spaces.) So it seems.

Warmly
Jeff

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 12:32 PM Birgitt Williams <
birg...@dalarinternational.com> wrote:

> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that emanated
> from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed the responses
> and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have added more great
> questions.
>
> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a gathered
> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>
> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying topics/contexts
> to invite that fruitful variety?
>
> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>
> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in the
> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be posted
> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on anyone to
> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather than
> abundance of possibilities.
>
> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would like
> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the words
> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is this
> what you mean?
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
>
> [image: Picture]
>
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
> www.dalarinternational.com
>
>
> >> Learn More & Register
> <http://www.dalarinternational.com/upcoming-workshops/> for any of our
> upcoming workshops here.
>
>
> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
> Like us on Facebook
> <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=6677c35b38=e7zyhHfiqG>
>
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> <https://dalarinternational.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=35ed818c946a88ba7344da05f=c26173f86b=e7zyhHfiqG>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke lurking
>> here somewhere.
>>
>> The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of proceedings
>> created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm going for the
>> aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>>
>> But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and responsibility of
>> a gathered group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to
>> generate excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>>
>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>>
>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post
>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>>
>> What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?
>>
>> Early morning questions,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have heard about
>>> Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what occurs when people meet
>>> in Open Space.
>>>
>>> I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to give
>>

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke lurking here
somewhere.

The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of proceedings
created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm going for the
aphanipoesis, but thanks."

But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a
gathered group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to
generate excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?

Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying topics/contexts
to invite that fruitful variety?

What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate post and
host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted, and does
that limit the potential and health of the system?

What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice versa?

Early morning questions,
Jeff



On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> From what I can glean in Bateson’s article and what I have heard about
> Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what occurs when people meet
> in Open Space.
>
> I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to give
> language to new ideas, it’s rough. The effort falls into a pattern she
> discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the ideas through habitual
> lenses. Sometimes more and different words can help. More often, it takes
> an embodied experience. Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?
>
> I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing towards
> vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I hope it will become
> more seen. Sounds like something we want to notice and grow.
>
> Thanks for sending the article Jeff.
>
>
> 
> Peggy Holman
> Co-founder
> Journalism That Matters
> Bellevue, WA  98006
> 206-948-0432
> www.journalismthatmatters.org
> www.peggyholman.com
> Twitter: @peggyholman
> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>
> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work for sometime
> and although I don't fully understand it yet I think what I do know of it,
> it's great.).
>
> WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because this is how she
> has come to an understanding about the simple truths that Warm Data works
> with. God know we have some pretty funny language amongst us all to explain
> things like "let people look after things they care about."  But, Jeff, the
> first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and is a concise
> description of Warm Data process, and is very helpful to me having an "aha"
> about it.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice of a
>> methodology that she invented (I think.)
>>
>> Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks were figuring
>> out what the hell this is all about... : )
>>
>> And from the lens of an artist and family therapy researcher whose father
>> was Gregory Bateson. That makes sense to me...
>>
>> Warmly
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves practitioners to be simple,
>>> while it serves systems scientists to be complicated or complex.
>>>
>>> They are writing about living systems at all scales and making very
>>> subtle distinctions.
>>>
>>> It may serve us practitioners to have some appreciation for the latter.
>>> "Your mileage may vary" tho, as a friend says!
>>>
>>> Warmly
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams <
>>> birgittwilli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so complicated? Why not
>>>> simply refer to seen and unseen?
>>>>
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One more email - I was amiss to mention this new theory by Nora,
>>>>> without defining the word she is introducing, and she finds occurring in
>>>>> Warm Data

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice of a methodology
that she invented (I think.)

Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks were figuring out
what the hell this is all about... : )

And from the lens of an artist and family therapy researcher whose father
was Gregory Bateson. That makes sense to me...

Warmly
Jeff

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves practitioners to be simple,
> while it serves systems scientists to be complicated or complex.
>
> They are writing about living systems at all scales and making very subtle
> distinctions.
>
> It may serve us practitioners to have some appreciation for the latter.
> "Your mileage may vary" tho, as a friend says!
>
> Warmly
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so complicated? Why not
>> simply refer to seen and unseen?
>>
>> Birgitt
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One more email - I was amiss to mention this new theory by Nora, without
>>> defining the word she is introducing, and she finds occurring in Warm Data
>>> Lab and I think is true in OST too.
>>>
>>> It is "a way to describe a life giving process, by which vitality,
>>> healing, and creativity come into being by the coalescence of multiple
>>> unseen factors."
>>>
>>> "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient Greek to describe this
>>> way in which life coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways. (Aphanis comes
>>> from a Greek root meaning obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from one
>>> meaning to bring forth, to make.)"
>>>
>>> Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at a systems science
>>> conference and in a journal article.
>>>
>>> Useful for practitioners to think about and to notice in our work?
>>> That's my question for the oslist.
>>>
>>> It reminds me of Harrison's definition of "peace" in The Practice of
>>> Peace. With an emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle shifts that
>>> take place that are NOT reflected in proceedings and action plans.
>>>
>>> Warmly, Jeff.
>>>
>>> Reference:
>>>
>>> Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal of the International
>>> Society for the Systems Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual Meeting of
>>> the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, №1) — under review.
>>>
>>> This work was presented at the Annual Biosemiotics Conference June 2021,
>>> the Annual Conference of the International Society of Systems Sciences July
>>> 2021, and the Annual conference of the Institute of General Semantics
>>> September 2021.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a refresher or quick intro to the process, Warm Data Lab starts with
>>>> a group of folks and a theme question. But the topics of conversation are
>>>> chosen in advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each breakout table (or area)
>>>> gets a topic written on a sign: which names a context from which to address
>>>> the theme question.
>>>>
>>>> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen wide variety of contexts
>>>> might be: education, prisons, public health, initiation, addiction,
>>>> pharmaceuticals, parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the breakouts of
>>>> their choice and stay or move as they wish. The law of mobility is used. A
>>>> closing circle might end the event after some number of hours.
>>>>
>>>> It has some qualities of OST and World Cafe while being different.
>>>>
>>>> I've only been in one WDL so other folks might improve my description.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where does systemic change take place? I am reflecting on earlier
>>>>> posts about the Warm Data Lab and comparing - contrasting this work with
>>>>> other hosted conversation processes like OST.
>>>>>
>>>>> What seems different - please correct this if it's wrong - is the
>>>>> level of attention paid to the complex ways in which WDL might help bring
>>>>> about change. Looking well beyond action plans and carefully harvested
&

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves practitioners to be simple,
while it serves systems scientists to be complicated or complex.

They are writing about living systems at all scales and making very subtle
distinctions.

It may serve us practitioners to have some appreciation for the latter.
"Your mileage may vary" tho, as a friend says!

Warmly
Jeff

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams 
wrote:

> Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so complicated? Why not
> simply refer to seen and unseen?
>
> Birgitt
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> One more email - I was amiss to mention this new theory by Nora, without
>> defining the word she is introducing, and she finds occurring in Warm Data
>> Lab and I think is true in OST too.
>>
>> It is "a way to describe a life giving process, by which vitality,
>> healing, and creativity come into being by the coalescence of multiple
>> unseen factors."
>>
>> "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient Greek to describe this way
>> in which life coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways. (Aphanis comes from
>> a Greek root meaning obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from one
>> meaning to bring forth, to make.)"
>>
>> Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at a systems science
>> conference and in a journal article.
>>
>> Useful for practitioners to think about and to notice in our work? That's
>> my question for the oslist.
>>
>> It reminds me of Harrison's definition of "peace" in The Practice of
>> Peace. With an emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle shifts that
>> take place that are NOT reflected in proceedings and action plans.
>>
>> Warmly, Jeff.
>>
>> Reference:
>>
>> Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal of the International
>> Society for the Systems Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual Meeting of
>> the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, №1) — under review.
>>
>> This work was presented at the Annual Biosemiotics Conference June 2021,
>> the Annual Conference of the International Society of Systems Sciences July
>> 2021, and the Annual conference of the Institute of General Semantics
>> September 2021.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a refresher or quick intro to the process, Warm Data Lab starts with
>>> a group of folks and a theme question. But the topics of conversation are
>>> chosen in advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each breakout table (or area)
>>> gets a topic written on a sign: which names a context from which to address
>>> the theme question.
>>>
>>> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen wide variety of contexts might
>>> be: education, prisons, public health, initiation, addiction,
>>> pharmaceuticals, parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the breakouts of
>>> their choice and stay or move as they wish. The law of mobility is used. A
>>> closing circle might end the event after some number of hours.
>>>
>>> It has some qualities of OST and World Cafe while being different.
>>>
>>> I've only been in one WDL so other folks might improve my description.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where does systemic change take place? I am reflecting on earlier posts
>>>> about the Warm Data Lab and comparing - contrasting this work with other
>>>> hosted conversation processes like OST.
>>>>
>>>> What seems different - please correct this if it's wrong - is the level
>>>> of attention paid to the complex ways in which WDL might help bring about
>>>> change. Looking well beyond action plans and carefully harvested
>>>> proceedings etc.
>>>>
>>>> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry for OST folks. (The subject line
>>>> here is from a reference in a book by Nora Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>>>>
>>>> Nora Bateson just shared a video and long essay, coming out prior to
>>>> her essay being published soon in a journal. She is introducing a new term
>>>> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of systemic transformation.
>>>>
>>>> The essay is here:
>>>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>>>>
>>>> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can this also be said about OST, but we
>>>> just don't??
>&

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

One more email - I was amiss to mention this new theory by Nora, without
defining the word she is introducing, and she finds occurring in Warm Data
Lab and I think is true in OST too.

It is "a way to describe a life giving process, by which vitality, healing,
and creativity come into being by the coalescence of multiple unseen
factors."

"Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient Greek to describe this way
in which life coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways. (Aphanis comes from
a Greek root meaning obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from one
meaning to bring forth, to make.)"

Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at a systems science conference
and in a journal article.

Useful for practitioners to think about and to notice in our work? That's
my question for the oslist.

It reminds me of Harrison's definition of "peace" in The Practice of Peace.
With an emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle shifts that take
place that are NOT reflected in proceedings and action plans.

Warmly, Jeff.

Reference:

Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal of the International Society
for the Systems Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual Meeting of the
ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, №1) — under review.

This work was presented at the Annual Biosemiotics Conference June 2021,
the Annual Conference of the International Society of Systems Sciences July
2021, and the Annual conference of the Institute of General Semantics
September 2021.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> As a refresher or quick intro to the process, Warm Data Lab starts with a
> group of folks and a theme question. But the topics of conversation are
> chosen in advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each breakout table (or area)
> gets a topic written on a sign: which names a context from which to address
> the theme question.
>
> So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen wide variety of contexts might
> be: education, prisons, public health, initiation, addiction,
> pharmaceuticals, parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the breakouts of
> their choice and stay or move as they wish. The law of mobility is used. A
> closing circle might end the event after some number of hours.
>
> It has some qualities of OST and World Cafe while being different.
>
> I've only been in one WDL so other folks might improve my description.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:
>
>> Where does systemic change take place? I am reflecting on earlier posts
>> about the Warm Data Lab and comparing - contrasting this work with other
>> hosted conversation processes like OST.
>>
>> What seems different - please correct this if it's wrong - is the level
>> of attention paid to the complex ways in which WDL might help bring about
>> change. Looking well beyond action plans and carefully harvested
>> proceedings etc.
>>
>> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry for OST folks. (The subject line
>> here is from a reference in a book by Nora Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>>
>> Nora Bateson just shared a video and long essay, coming out prior to her
>> essay being published soon in a journal. She is introducing a new term
>> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of systemic transformation.
>>
>> The essay is here:
>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>>
>> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can this also be said about OST, but we
>> just don't??
>>
>> "Rewilding the Interior
>>
>> In the words of the Warm Data hosting theory, we tend the “about” so that
>> what is re-configured is in the “within.” It does not really matter what
>> people talk “about” in a Warm Data Lab. There is nothing to capture at that
>> level. What matters is the way the participants are internally sewing
>> together the different conversations and contexts. On a transcript this
>> information is inaccessible.
>>
>> "In the Warm Data processes, communication in explicit form is not held
>> to be the communication of interest. That level of conversation is there as
>> a skeleton, onto which the stories not told reshape the person who did not
>> tell them, the alterations in tone, the re-tilted perception is given free
>> rein to rub memories and stories against each other. One comment that comes
>> up repeatedly is, “Your story changed my story.” Through this
>> “side-by-side-ing,” stories told change stories almost told, and their
>> bearers are able to reshape their impressions in ways that are untamed. By
>> careful tending of the “about” and “within,” the rich world of memory and
>> story re-wilds.
>>
>> "The gaps are where the hope of systemic transformation is waiting. In
>> the Warm Data processes, participants are given a structure to re-stitch,
>> to re-wild, to begin a new abductive process into these gaps. Again, by
>> placing the contexts of life side-by-side in new configurations, the
>> aphanipoietic processes are given room, without conscious purpose or goals
>> or defined outcomes, without scripts or roles or trends — 

Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

As a refresher or quick intro to the process, Warm Data Lab starts with a
group of folks and a theme question. But the topics of conversation are
chosen in advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each breakout table (or area)
gets a topic written on a sign: which names a context from which to address
the theme question.

So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen wide variety of contexts might
be: education, prisons, public health, initiation, addiction,
pharmaceuticals, parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the breakouts of
their choice and stay or move as they wish. The law of mobility is used. A
closing circle might end the event after some number of hours.

It has some qualities of OST and World Cafe while being different.

I've only been in one WDL so other folks might improve my description.

Jeff

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Where does systemic change take place? I am reflecting on earlier posts
> about the Warm Data Lab and comparing - contrasting this work with other
> hosted conversation processes like OST.
>
> What seems different - please correct this if it's wrong - is the level of
> attention paid to the complex ways in which WDL might help bring about
> change. Looking well beyond action plans and carefully harvested
> proceedings etc.
>
> This may be a fruitful area of inquiry for OST folks. (The subject line
> here is from a reference in a book by Nora Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>
> Nora Bateson just shared a video and long essay, coming out prior to her
> essay being published soon in a journal. She is introducing a new term
> "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of systemic transformation.
>
> The essay is here:
> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>
> Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can this also be said about OST, but we
> just don't??
>
> "Rewilding the Interior
>
> In the words of the Warm Data hosting theory, we tend the “about” so that
> what is re-configured is in the “within.” It does not really matter what
> people talk “about” in a Warm Data Lab. There is nothing to capture at that
> level. What matters is the way the participants are internally sewing
> together the different conversations and contexts. On a transcript this
> information is inaccessible.
>
> "In the Warm Data processes, communication in explicit form is not held to
> be the communication of interest. That level of conversation is there as a
> skeleton, onto which the stories not told reshape the person who did not
> tell them, the alterations in tone, the re-tilted perception is given free
> rein to rub memories and stories against each other. One comment that comes
> up repeatedly is, “Your story changed my story.” Through this
> “side-by-side-ing,” stories told change stories almost told, and their
> bearers are able to reshape their impressions in ways that are untamed. By
> careful tending of the “about” and “within,” the rich world of memory and
> story re-wilds.
>
> "The gaps are where the hope of systemic transformation is waiting. In the
> Warm Data processes, participants are given a structure to re-stitch, to
> re-wild, to begin a new abductive process into these gaps. Again, by
> placing the contexts of life side-by-side in new configurations, the
> aphanipoietic processes are given room, without conscious purpose or goals
> or defined outcomes, without scripts or roles or trends — to allow the
> tender new beginnings of another abductive description to form mutually.
>
> "Through this work, I have found I needed this term to embark on a deeper
> study of the importance of aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness occurring
> in the Warm Data processes are completely unpredictable and profound. They
> suggest ever more vividly that there is a real, if unseen, mingling of the
> body, culture, education, family — and a whole batch of transcontextual
> experience that is guiding all other actions. It is to this change that I
> have devoted my efforts toward systemic transformation."
> Warmly,
> Jeff
> Yelamu / San Francisco
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[OSList] Where angels fear to tread

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Where does systemic change take place? I am reflecting on earlier posts
about the Warm Data Lab and comparing - contrasting this work with other
hosted conversation processes like OST.

What seems different - please correct this if it's wrong - is the level of
attention paid to the complex ways in which WDL might help bring about
change. Looking well beyond action plans and carefully harvested
proceedings etc.

This may be a fruitful area of inquiry for OST folks. (The subject line
here is from a reference in a book by Nora Bateson's late father Gregory.)

Nora Bateson just shared a video and long essay, coming out prior to her
essay being published soon in a journal. She is introducing a new term
"aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of systemic transformation.

The essay is here: https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc

Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can this also be said about OST, but we just
don't??

"Rewilding the Interior

In the words of the Warm Data hosting theory, we tend the “about” so that
what is re-configured is in the “within.” It does not really matter what
people talk “about” in a Warm Data Lab. There is nothing to capture at that
level. What matters is the way the participants are internally sewing
together the different conversations and contexts. On a transcript this
information is inaccessible.

"In the Warm Data processes, communication in explicit form is not held to
be the communication of interest. That level of conversation is there as a
skeleton, onto which the stories not told reshape the person who did not
tell them, the alterations in tone, the re-tilted perception is given free
rein to rub memories and stories against each other. One comment that comes
up repeatedly is, “Your story changed my story.” Through this
“side-by-side-ing,” stories told change stories almost told, and their
bearers are able to reshape their impressions in ways that are untamed. By
careful tending of the “about” and “within,” the rich world of memory and
story re-wilds.

"The gaps are where the hope of systemic transformation is waiting. In the
Warm Data processes, participants are given a structure to re-stitch, to
re-wild, to begin a new abductive process into these gaps. Again, by
placing the contexts of life side-by-side in new configurations, the
aphanipoietic processes are given room, without conscious purpose or goals
or defined outcomes, without scripts or roles or trends — to allow the
tender new beginnings of another abductive description to form mutually.

"Through this work, I have found I needed this term to embark on a deeper
study of the importance of aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness occurring
in the Warm Data processes are completely unpredictable and profound. They
suggest ever more vividly that there is a real, if unseen, mingling of the
body, culture, education, family — and a whole batch of transcontextual
experience that is guiding all other actions. It is to this change that I
have devoted my efforts toward systemic transformation."
Warmly,
Jeff
Yelamu / San Francisco
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Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thank you Michael. Much depth and wisdom in your post! A deep bow of
appreciation.

Jeff

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 6:25 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> of course.
>
> First, let me point out, that this os event was not "one of your
> neighborhood os". I was hired as the facilitator and had no stakes in
> this particular neighborhood.
>
> The title for the event was
> "Projektschmiede für den Helmholtzplatz" which translates roughly into
> "Forging Projekts for the Helmholtzplatz"
> an inner city neighborhood of about 18 000 with the Helmholtz square in
> the center of it.
> Here is the link to the City of Berlin website that gives more detail.
> >
> https://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/wohnen/quartiersmanagement/de/helmholtz/index.shtml
>
> One aspect of the text there translates into
>
> "Through various forms of citizen participation such as open space,
> future workshops and thematic working groups, communication could be
> established, networks strengthened, and the main areas of action for
> district development jointly developed."
>
> And here is some detail to the event itself listed in a data base of
> about 800 ost events
> >
> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/95-projektschmieden-fuer-das-gebiet-helmholtzplatz
>
> Ok, here is the memory of that event of 20 years ago that immediately
> came to my mind when I read your email:
>
> After the sponsor had opened the os event and I had introduced into the
> process, folks rushed to the center to jot down their issues and
> projects in planning.
> One participant announced his project with:
>
> "I want all the money that has been assigned to the projects for my
> project because it is the most important project for our neighborhood"
> and continued to outline what he had in mind.
> I have forgotten what it was all about. (The city wanted to fund
> projects that a jury of citizens would select).
>
> In the course of the day I saw him and a bunch of folks working on their
> plans for this project, similarly to the other groups.
>
> In the evening news of the first day the convener of this very important
> project stood up and said, as I remember it:
>
> "I came here with the most important project for our neighborhood. Our
> group worked out a wonderful plan. And I now know that we dont need any
> of the promised money. And I know now and am very happy to tell you that
> I found something much more important than money. I found a bunch of
> dedicated folks that will get this project running. What a gift."
>
> So, this is what can happen and has in all os events I had the privilege
> to facilitate.
> All OST events that have the prerequisites for the unfolding of
> selforganisation in place will make stuff appear that nobody would have
> believed when entering the room.
>
> ...
>
> Regarding the fictional relative asking "for a real story to inspire
> them", I would tell this relative that I do have awesome stories but a
> few questions for him before the story part.
>
> And that would, I have experienced, be the more exciting part of our
> conversation.
>
> Greetings from Berlin where we will have our traditional open space
> Stammtisch tomorrow evening (Monday, November 1 beginning at 7pm) that
> has been convening for more than a decade here
> > https://www.kreuzberger-weltlaterne.com/?lang=de
>
> I will be there a little earlier to study the Menu and start the evening
> with mocca and ouzo... everyone who has been "vaccinated or recovered"
> and the documents for proof can enter the restaurant
>
> ciao
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 28.10.2021 um 15:53 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
>  > Hi Michael. Care to share a story of one of your neighborhood OS?
>  >
>  > Say you have a relative in their 20s who is considering Open Space in a
>  > neighborhood, and asks for a real story to inspire them. What story
>  > would you tell them?
>  >
>  > Jeff
>  >
>  > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 2:24 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
>  > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> >>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Dear Tonnie,
>  >
>  > having firefighters in an open space event spreads like wildfire...
>  > similar to os events in schools (of course, with parents and
>  > neighborhood), or in church parishes where you have folks from all
>  > walks
>  > of life, or, of course, in neighborhoods. Its those events that
> create
>  > strong ripples across all subsystems... and kept me busy.
>  >
>  &g

Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

I dont have a neighborhood story. But a region story of sorts. The Sonoma
County (California) Land Use and Transportation Coalition, and the
Leadership Institute for Ecology and the Economy, were inviting the public
to a forum on the present and future of these vital issues in the county.

It was a day of Open Space at a community center. There were 75
participants, and 20 topics were convened. The sponsor chose not to request
any formal convergence or follow-up. Which limited the data on ongoing
impacts.

My best general sense of the meeting was this: At the beginning, folks
wondered if there was too much diversity of opinion and perspective in the
room. At the end, folks wished there had been even more diversity of
opinion and perspective in the room.

Topics that had been stuck in loops for years finally had the space to be
engaged and moved to new levels. Folks got freer and the conversations in
the county got opened up. I do wish there was data which good convergence
and evaluation practices could gather.

Warmly,
Jeff

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 6:53 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Michael. Care to share a story of one of your neighborhood OS?
>
> Say you have a relative in their 20s who is considering Open Space in a
> neighborhood, and asks for a real story to inspire them. What story would
> you tell them?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 2:24 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Tonnie,
>>
>> having firefighters in an open space event spreads like wildfire...
>> similar to os events in schools (of course, with parents and
>> neighborhood), or in church parishes where you have folks from all walks
>> of life, or, of course, in neighborhoods. Its those events that create
>> strong ripples across all subsystems... and kept me busy.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin where I see complicated excursions with hundreds
>> of people over weeks to get a new government... it would surprise me, if
>> any of them ever were in an os event. One classical os event, meaning
>> the whole enchilada, would get them done in 10 percent of the time...
>> now they are planning to get done by Xmas, hmmm!
>>
>> mmp
>> Am 28.10.2021 um 08:57 schrieb info via OSList:
>>  > Thanks Chris and others for bringing PNI to this list. It fits
>> perfectly
>>  > in two training programs on collaborative action research I am
>>  > providing. I have ordered the book by Cynthia. WHat I have read on her
>>  > website already gives me more words and pictures to working with
>> stories
>>  > such as in Story Bridge. I will start next week with two PNI sessions.
>>  >
>>  > By the way, two weeks ago I had the honour to facilitate a one-day Open
>>  > Space on the tasks and organisation of the Dutch Fire Brigade. A
>>  > planning day after a one-day Future Search with about 70 participants,
>>  > where we collected trends and image of the future in 2030.
>>  >
>>  > What surprised me that olmost no one had even heard of Open Space. And
>>  > they were surprised how well it worked and how easily new relationships
>>  > were built. So, we have more work to do in the Netherlands.
>>  >
>>  > Warmly,
>>  > Tonnie van der Zouwen
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
>>  > Van: Chris Corrigan via OSList 
>>  > Datum: 27-10-2021 22:56 (GMT+00:00)
>>  > Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>  > 
>>  > Cc: Chris Corrigan 
>>  > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Test...
>>  >
>>  > More on Participatory Narrative Inquiry here:
>>  > https://www.workingwithstories.org/aboutpni.html
>>  > <https://www.workingwithstories.org/aboutpni.html>
>>  >
>>  > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 2:05 PM john watkins via OSList
>>  > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>
>>  > wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Lovely! I can use this format next week with a group of middle
>>  > school students who are doing a fishbowl (virtually) with our
>> senior
>>  > leadership teams from across North America. They can model it for
>>  > the districts, who can take it back and use if with their
>>  > participatory narrative “street data” processes. Thanks!
>>  >
>>  > John Watkins
>>  >
>>  >> On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList
>>  >> >  >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>  >>
>&g

Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Michael. Care to share a story of one of your neighborhood OS?

Say you have a relative in their 20s who is considering Open Space in a
neighborhood, and asks for a real story to inspire them. What story would
you tell them?

Jeff

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 2:24 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

>
> Dear Tonnie,
>
> having firefighters in an open space event spreads like wildfire...
> similar to os events in schools (of course, with parents and
> neighborhood), or in church parishes where you have folks from all walks
> of life, or, of course, in neighborhoods. Its those events that create
> strong ripples across all subsystems... and kept me busy.
>
> Greetings from Berlin where I see complicated excursions with hundreds
> of people over weeks to get a new government... it would surprise me, if
> any of them ever were in an os event. One classical os event, meaning
> the whole enchilada, would get them done in 10 percent of the time...
> now they are planning to get done by Xmas, hmmm!
>
> mmp
> Am 28.10.2021 um 08:57 schrieb info via OSList:
>  > Thanks Chris and others for bringing PNI to this list. It fits perfectly
>  > in two training programs on collaborative action research I am
>  > providing. I have ordered the book by Cynthia. WHat I have read on her
>  > website already gives me more words and pictures to working with stories
>  > such as in Story Bridge. I will start next week with two PNI sessions.
>  >
>  > By the way, two weeks ago I had the honour to facilitate a one-day Open
>  > Space on the tasks and organisation of the Dutch Fire Brigade. A
>  > planning day after a one-day Future Search with about 70 participants,
>  > where we collected trends and image of the future in 2030.
>  >
>  > What surprised me that olmost no one had even heard of Open Space. And
>  > they were surprised how well it worked and how easily new relationships
>  > were built. So, we have more work to do in the Netherlands.
>  >
>  > Warmly,
>  > Tonnie van der Zouwen
>  >
>  >
>  > Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
>  >
>  >
>  >  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
>  > Van: Chris Corrigan via OSList 
>  > Datum: 27-10-2021 22:56 (GMT+00:00)
>  > Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>  > 
>  > Cc: Chris Corrigan 
>  > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Test...
>  >
>  > More on Participatory Narrative Inquiry here:
>  > https://www.workingwithstories.org/aboutpni.html
>  > <https://www.workingwithstories.org/aboutpni.html>
>  >
>  > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 2:05 PM john watkins via OSList
>  > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> >>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > Lovely! I can use this format next week with a group of middle
>  > school students who are doing a fishbowl (virtually) with our senior
>  > leadership teams from across North America. They can model it for
>  > the districts, who can take it back and use if with their
>  > participatory narrative “street data” processes. Thanks!
>  >
>  > John Watkins
>  >
>  >> On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList
>  >>   >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> A blog by Chris about PNI is below. In the example, an animating
>  >> theme is
>  >> "how to get a bunch of perspectives from throughout a company on a
>  >> new phase in a company’s evolution."
>  >>
>  >> And the questions he suggests for participants on a Google form:
>  >> "share a story of something that happened lately that made you
>  >> think: ‘we need to address this issue…'” Get everyone in the
>  >> organization to enter one story, a few sentences. On the form then
>  >> ask them a) how common do you think this is in our organization
>  >> and b) what is one thing we could do to address that issue?"
>  >>
>  >> As you see it's a way to harvest stories than can inform a next
>  >> conversation about the past-present-future. (In open space?)
>  >>
>  >> Something like this could be adapted for a basic inquiry of our OS
>  >> community of practice. If there is a lively theme to propose!
>  >>
>  >>
> https://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/very-basic-story-gathering/
>  >>
> <https://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/very-basic-story-gathering/>
>  >>
>  >> - Jeff
>  >>
>  >> On Wed, O

Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

A blog by Chris about PNI is below. In the example, an animating theme is
"how to get a bunch of perspectives from throughout a company on a new
phase in a company’s evolution."

And the questions he suggests for participants on a Google form: "share a
story of something that happened lately that made you think: ‘we need to
address this issue…'” Get everyone in the organization to enter one story,
a few sentences. On the form then ask them a) how common do you think this
is in our organization and b) what is one thing we could do to address that
issue?"

As you see it's a way to harvest stories than can inform a next
conversation about the past-present-future. (In open space?)

Something like this could be adapted for a basic inquiry of our OS
community of practice. If there is a lively theme to propose!

https://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/very-basic-story-gathering/

- Jeff

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 12:58 PM Harrison Owen SR via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> OS in Schools is wonderful. Even a long time ago (25 YEARS?) A school up
> in Seattle basically bookended its year. Opened with 2 days on the question
> "what are we going to do?" and closed with 2 days - "what have we done?"
> Everybody came -- students, teachers, parents, cooks, janitors --
> everybody.
>
> Harrison
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 2:54 PM john watkins via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Jeff (and Chris),
>>
>> I love this work! We (the Deeper Learning Dozen
>> <https://deeperlearningdozen.org>,  working with senior leaders in
>> school districts across North America) see this process as deeply connected
>> to our efforts to get school districts to engage meaningfully with their
>> most marginalized students and families, and PNI is a really great process
>> for that, especially in valuing stories as evidence of learning, what works
>> and doesn’t work for kids and families, and what they see as needed
>> changes. We see it as really well aligned with our colleagues, Shane Safir
>> and Jamila Dugan, in their new book, Street Data: A next generation model
>> for equity, pedagogy, and school transformation. Thanks for posting!
>>
>> John Watkins
>> Oakland, CA
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I looked into "the method" with Chris not so long ago. It can be
>> relatively simple actually.
>>
>> A few good questions are agreed upon: Questions that invite stories of
>> experiences from members of the community (like our OS community of
>> practice.)
>>
>> There is attention to crafting a short menu of questions that can bring
>> out a story. Each person can then choose which question to answer.
>>
>> There is software that will collect the responses, and then it can help
>> to arrange a round of "making sense" of the stories that are gathered.
>>
>> As an American I have interest in stories of Open Space helping people in
>> a town or city toward (or return to) a sense of mutual love for the place,
>> and mutual aid for one another. As just one timely example.
>>
>> There was interest in stories of OS as a practice of peace, also timely.
>>
>> Cynthia Kurtz write the book Participatory Narrative Inquiry and the
>> software Narrafirma with colleagues.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Telegraph Hill
>> Yelamu / San Francisco California
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 8:38 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> If you pray to the list serve Gods, don't expect much. There aren't any.
>>>
>>> This list is self-organized and self-moderated. If things go well, I am
>>> hoping to get the OSList migrated to Mailman 3.0 soon. It will help with
>>> some of the bounce problems, but it won't make any difference to the
>>> self-organization of this conversation.
>>>
>>> You might make a difference though. I believe you already have. Thank
>>> you for that, Mark!
>>>
>>> On 10/24/21 11:50 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> To the list serve Gods: Maybe it's time for a list serve tune up how
>>> about adding Chris Corrigan's method of story sharing so we can collect
>>> everyone's success stories in one place? Thanks for your consideration and
>>> service,
>>> MC
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Harold Shinsato
>>> har...@shinsato.com
>>> https://shinsato.com
>>> ___

Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Cynthia's book (Third Edition) is entitled Working with Stories in
Your Community or Organization: Participatory Narrative Inquiry.

The website of Narrafirma is https://narrafirma.com/.

Jeff

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:37 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:
>
> I looked into "the method" with Chris not so long ago. It can be relatively 
> simple actually.
>
> A few good questions are agreed upon: Questions that invite stories of 
> experiences from members of the community (like our OS community of practice.)
>
> There is attention to crafting a short menu of questions that can bring out a 
> story. Each person can then choose which question to answer.
>
> There is software that will collect the responses, and then it can help to 
> arrange a round of "making sense" of the stories that are gathered.
>
> As an American I have interest in stories of Open Space helping people in a 
> town or city toward (or return to) a sense of mutual love for the place, and 
> mutual aid for one another. As just one timely example.
>
> There was interest in stories of OS as a practice of peace, also timely.
>
> Cynthia Kurtz write the book Participatory Narrative Inquiry and the software 
> Narrafirma with colleagues.
>
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill
> Yelamu / San Francisco California
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 8:38 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
>  wrote:
>>
>> If you pray to the list serve Gods, don't expect much. There aren't any.
>>
>> This list is self-organized and self-moderated. If things go well, I am 
>> hoping to get the OSList migrated to Mailman 3.0 soon. It will help with 
>> some of the bounce problems, but it won't make any difference to the 
>> self-organization of this conversation.
>>
>> You might make a difference though. I believe you already have. Thank you 
>> for that, Mark!
>>
>> On 10/24/21 11:50 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>
>> To the list serve Gods: Maybe it's time for a list serve tune up how 
>> about adding Chris Corrigan's method of story sharing so we can collect 
>> everyone's success stories in one place? Thanks for your consideration and 
>> service,
>> MC
>>
>>
>> --
>> Harold Shinsato
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>> https://shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] Test...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

I looked into "the method" with Chris not so long ago. It can be relatively
simple actually.

A few good questions are agreed upon: Questions that invite stories of
experiences from members of the community (like our OS community of
practice.)

There is attention to crafting a short menu of questions that can bring out
a story. Each person can then choose which question to answer.

There is software that will collect the responses, and then it can help to
arrange a round of "making sense" of the stories that are gathered.

As an American I have interest in stories of Open Space helping people in a
town or city toward (or return to) a sense of mutual love for the place,
and mutual aid for one another. As just one timely example.

There was interest in stories of OS as a practice of peace, also timely.

Cynthia Kurtz write the book Participatory Narrative Inquiry and the
software Narrafirma with colleagues.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill
Yelamu / San Francisco California



On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 8:38 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> If you pray to the list serve Gods, don't expect much. There aren't any.
>
> This list is self-organized and self-moderated. If things go well, I am
> hoping to get the OSList migrated to Mailman 3.0 soon. It will help with
> some of the bounce problems, but it won't make any difference to the
> self-organization of this conversation.
>
> You might make a difference though. I believe you already have. Thank you
> for that, Mark!
>
> On 10/24/21 11:50 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>
> To the list serve Gods: Maybe it's time for a list serve tune up how
> about adding Chris Corrigan's method of story sharing so we can collect
> everyone's success stories in one place? Thanks for your consideration and
> service,
> MC
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Women in Agile Open Fri-Sat Oct 8-9

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Lucas. I see a couple of creatures in the open space who are
unfamiliar to me. How can i learn about groundhogs and hedgehogs,
companions to butterflies and bumblebees?

Warmly
Jeff
Yelamu - San Francisco

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 4:55 PM Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Women in Agile Open is going to be a great event this Friday/Saturday.  If
> you've never experienced an open space online, drop in for their opening
> circle for some inspiration.
>
> I did a quick video interview
>  of April Jefferson (one of
> the two co-founders) so you can get a sense of the energy of this event.
>
> Here is the registration link
>  again.  The
> cost is "pay what you can".
>
> Each time they host it, they stretch our platform (Qiqo) so that's why
> we're thrilled to sponsor it.  I hope you all have a great rest of the week.
>
> *Lucas Cioffi*
>
> QiqoChat | Lead Software Engineer
>
> lu...@qiqochat.com
>
> +1.917.528.1831
>
>
>
>
> Live Online Events | Engaging Communities | Real Collaboration
>
> Drop in for open office hours! 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 11:23 AM Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The Open Space Institute - U.S. invites you to attend the Women in Agile
>> Open, an online Open Space meeting being held Friday and Saturday
>> October 8-9.
>>
>> The Agile movement has made huge inroads throughout all areas of society
>> well beyond software to bring flexibility and humanity to work. The
>> focus on the importance of human value and capacity has been present in
>> Agile with the use of Open Space Technology in the Agile community since
>> before they adopted the name "Agile" in 2001. This event welcomes all
>> genders to come design the future together in open space.
>>
>> https://www.tickettailor.com/events/womeninagileopen/518245
>> 
>>
>> The OSI-US's own April Jefferson is on the amazing international team.
>> They'll be using QiqoChat with attendance times that will work for any
>> time zone. April has been pioneering it's usage in many areas.
>> Attendance is pay what you can by donation with a very low recommended
>> request of US$20 if that works for you.
>>
>> We hope to see you there!
>>
>>  Thank You,
>>  The Open Space Institute - U.S.
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Re: [OSList] title for a one hour workshop?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Katz! Nicely said Michael.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 10:39 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The phrases mentioned so far seem to make a distinction between
> me/facilitator and space.  Here's an alternative:
>
> One participant came to me right after the opening, as first sessions were
> getting underway.  She wanted to know, "what were you doing at the edge of
> the circle, before you stepped in and started walking around?"
> "What did it look like i was doing, from the outside?"
> "Being space."
> "That's what it felt like on the inside, too."
>
> Would "Being Space" fit your intentions for this session and your
> experience facilitating?
>
> m
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com
> OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps "Where to Stand in Space" or in the form of a question "Where to
>> Stand in Space?"
>> : )
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:56 AM Funda Oral  wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff, thanks, I just wanted to make the title shorter, otherwise I can
>>> use it.
>>>
>>> 28 Tem 2021 Çar 18:44 tarihinde Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> şunu yazdı:
>>>
>>>> Hi Funda. Cool idea. Why not use what you already wrote? I am curious.
>>>> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>>>>
>>>> Also, three words from Harrison come to mind. To be shaped into a title
>>>> that might feel like an intriguing question.
>>>>
>>>> "Present and invisible"
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Telegraph Hill
>>>> Yelamu - San Francisco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:49 AM Funda Oral via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will run a one hour workshop at the Facilitators' Summit of the
>>>>> International Facilitators Association in October.
>>>>> I wanted to discuss
>>>>>
>>>>> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact I would like to introduce the idea of not being afraid of *"asking
>>>>> questions" *to open space and spaces,
>>>>> facilitating the divergence phase and moving to convergence properly,
>>>>> giving and holding necessary time and space for these.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, I would like to discuss with the participants where
>>>>> the facilitator should stand? *how much space*
>>>>> *should she/he must have, occupy? *
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate any ideas/suggestions for a short title of the workshop?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Funda Oral
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [OSList] title for a one hour workshop?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Perhaps "Where to Stand in Space" or in the form of a question "Where to
Stand in Space?"
: )

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:56 AM Funda Oral  wrote:

> Jeff, thanks, I just wanted to make the title shorter, otherwise I can use
> it.
>
> 28 Tem 2021 Çar 18:44 tarihinde Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> şunu yazdı:
>
>> Hi Funda. Cool idea. Why not use what you already wrote? I am curious.
>> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>>
>> Also, three words from Harrison come to mind. To be shaped into a title
>> that might feel like an intriguing question.
>>
>> "Present and invisible"
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Jeff
>> Telegraph Hill
>> Yelamu - San Francisco
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:49 AM Funda Oral via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I will run a one hour workshop at the Facilitators' Summit of the
>>> International Facilitators Association in October.
>>> I wanted to discuss
>>>
>>> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>>>
>>> In fact I would like to introduce the idea of not being afraid of *"asking
>>> questions" *to open space and spaces,
>>> facilitating the divergence phase and moving to convergence properly,
>>> giving and holding necessary time and space for these.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I would like to discuss with the participants where the
>>> facilitator should stand? *how much space*
>>> *should she/he must have, occupy? *
>>>
>>> I appreciate any ideas/suggestions for a short title of the workshop?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Funda Oral
>>>
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Re: [OSList] title for a one hour workshop?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Funda. Cool idea. Why not use what you already wrote? I am curious.
*"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*

Also, three words from Harrison come to mind. To be shaped into a title
that might feel like an intriguing question.

"Present and invisible"

Warmly,
Jeff
Telegraph Hill
Yelamu - San Francisco


On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:49 AM Funda Oral via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I will run a one hour workshop at the Facilitators' Summit of the
> International Facilitators Association in October.
> I wanted to discuss
>
> *"Where does the Facilitator Stand in Space?"*
>
> In fact I would like to introduce the idea of not being afraid of *"asking
> questions" *to open space and spaces,
> facilitating the divergence phase and moving to convergence properly,
> giving and holding necessary time and space for these.
>
> In the meantime, I would like to discuss with the participants where the
> facilitator should stand? *how much space*
> *should she/he must have, occupy? *
>
> I appreciate any ideas/suggestions for a short title of the workshop?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Funda Oral
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] What does everyone think about forming a Peace Institute in Harrison's great Name?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi folks, on reflection my intent was not to "close the space" on this
idea, tho I see that could've been the impact, and I send apologies.

Yes on a Peace Institute, and yes on honoring Harrison with some naming and
the power of spirit.

Yes on fleshing out a spark of vision with an invitation to imagine an
influential Institute, with all that would be involved in such a creation.

Thanks Mark for the spark!

Warmly
Jeff

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 1:27 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> 3 because of naming. After all, he didn't call it Owen Space. : )  Seems a
> few steps are needed before a name. I know you know that.
>
> I do love the concept of a peace-promoting organization. For years I was
> on the board of a Project founded by an extraordinary strategist for peace,
> whose writings have been influential around the world.
>
> To create an Institute feels like serious tireless commitment. Maybe one
> can fly into form around a good invitation; but I imagine needing to raise
> a full time salary for a world class influencer at the very least. What do
> you think?
>
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 10:43 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I could be totally wrong but I have a vague memory of an audio recording
>> of Harrison talking about OST and saying something about the essential
>> ingredients being chaos, confusion, and conflict... without which there is
>> no life...
>>
>> Maybe peace and love appear when those 3Cs are hosted by OST???
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 02:47, Mark Carmel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Go big or go home, they say.  However, nobody ever says who "they" are,
>>> right?  Unless of course, it's perhaps John Lennon, who may have said it
>>> best, when he wrote and sang, "Let's Give Peace A Chance..." and, "All We
>>> Need is Love..." before being shot dead in cold blood on a New York city
>>> street.
>>>
>>> This brings us to the essence of life, of Open Space, and of a life with
>>> meaning.  What are the two ESSENTIAL ingredients?  Well it kinda looks like
>>> it's Peace and Love, right? What is Open Space Technology but the opening,
>>> or HOSTING (by invitation only) of a Sacred Space for Peace and Love?
>>>
>>> Therefore, I hereby submit to the World Open Space Technology Community,
>>> a Call for the following Question to be answered in unanimous consent
>>> fashion.  If no one objects, we have unanimous consent. If someone objects,
>>> select option #3...  Thank you in advance for your feedback on the
>>> following survey...!
>>>
>>> 1.  HOST INSTITUTE for PEACE (HIP)
>>> or
>>> 2.  HOST PEACE INSTITUTE (HPI)
>>>
>>> H - Harrison's
>>> O - Open
>>> S - Space
>>> T - Technology
>>>
>>> 3.  None of the above.
>>>
>>> Peace!!
>>>
>>> MC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Or 12 hours late : )

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:09 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> It is 2100 PDT now. Are you 12 hours early?
>
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>>
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>> engaging people".
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

It is 2100 PDT now. Are you 12 hours early?

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:04 PM Gijs via OSList <
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> I am trying to join from Kuala Lumpur Malaysia, but it seems I am alone
> haha
> Time to reflect !, or is something else wrong?
>
>
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>
>
> Supporting Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes
>
> www.gijsvanwezel.com
>
> +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc.
>
> “Asking questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally
> engaging people".
>
>  Original Message 
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> *To: *oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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> April 20th at 12PM EDT
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> Technology?
>
> It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive
> whatever is alive for you right now.
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>
>
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Re: [OSList] What does everyone think about forming a Peace Institute in Harrison's great Name?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

3 because of naming. After all, he didn't call it Owen Space. : )  Seems a
few steps are needed before a name. I know you know that.

I do love the concept of a peace-promoting organization. For years I was on
the board of a Project founded by an extraordinary strategist for peace,
whose writings have been influential around the world.

To create an Institute feels like serious tireless commitment. Maybe one
can fly into form around a good invitation; but I imagine needing to raise
a full time salary for a world class influencer at the very least. What do
you think?

Jeff
Telegraph Hill



On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 10:43 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I could be totally wrong but I have a vague memory of an audio recording
> of Harrison talking about OST and saying something about the essential
> ingredients being chaos, confusion, and conflict... without which there is
> no life...
>
> Maybe peace and love appear when those 3Cs are hosted by OST???
>
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 02:47, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Go big or go home, they say.  However, nobody ever says who "they" are,
>> right?  Unless of course, it's perhaps John Lennon, who may have said it
>> best, when he wrote and sang, "Let's Give Peace A Chance..." and, "All We
>> Need is Love..." before being shot dead in cold blood on a New York city
>> street.
>>
>> This brings us to the essence of life, of Open Space, and of a life with
>> meaning.  What are the two ESSENTIAL ingredients?  Well it kinda looks like
>> it's Peace and Love, right? What is Open Space Technology but the opening,
>> or HOSTING (by invitation only) of a Sacred Space for Peace and Love?
>>
>> Therefore, I hereby submit to the World Open Space Technology Community,
>> a Call for the following Question to be answered in unanimous consent
>> fashion.  If no one objects, we have unanimous consent. If someone objects,
>> select option #3...  Thank you in advance for your feedback on the
>> following survey...!
>>
>> 1.  HOST INSTITUTE for PEACE (HIP)
>> or
>> 2.  HOST PEACE INSTITUTE (HPI)
>>
>> H - Harrison's
>> O - Open
>> S - Space
>> T - Technology
>>
>> 3.  None of the above.
>>
>> Peace!!
>>
>> MC
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] Celebrate with Anne Morgan Stadler, who is turning 90!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Ah! This is SO Anne (and Peggy, and Arun whom I've not met.)

Love it! Excited to join in, when it's the right time.

Warmly
Jeff


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> Dear friends of Anne,
>
>
> On March 7, 1931, Anne Morgan came into this world. She’s been making
> waves ever since. In true Anne fashion, she has no interest in being the
> center of attention for celebrating her birthday. For Anne, it’s all about
> mutually beneficial relationships.
>
>
> So we -- Arun Wakhlu and Peggy Holman – consulted Anne on what sort of
> celebration would bring her joy. She told us...
>
>
> I would love to know what’s on the learning edge for people. My curiosity
> is not because I want to coach them. If they tell me what they’re learning
> I’m stimulated to investigate.
>
>
> Curiosity...is that a key to Anne’s long and active life?
>
>
> *Anne plans to celebrate her birthday every day of this year*. That’s
> where you come in. We offer two questions, cooked up with Anne, and three
> ways to participate:
>
>
> Pick a day, anytime this year and put it on your calendar to celebrate
> Anne by answering one or both of these questions with stories, pictures,
> poetry, art, or just plain words from your heart to hers:
>
>
> 1.What is love now calling forth/teaching you? What is love asking
> you to pay attention to?
>
>
> and
>
>
> 2. What do you love about your relationship with Anne?
>
>
> Share it with everyone or just with Anne through one or more of these
> options:
>
>
> ·  Post your response on her birthday Facebook post
> 
> ·  Make a video at Flipgrid:  https://flipgrid.com/annestadler90 The
> Join Code is  annestadler90
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>
>
> It is in our hands to make 2021 a 90th birthday celebration to remember!
>
>
> Love,
> Peggy and Arun
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Thank YOU to ALL who Favor the Nobel Peace Prize - for Whom we all Know - with the initials H.O.

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Harold for digging into the topic and sharing your assessment!

My other topic is below.

2.
Will others join me to research any eligible university faculty or faculty
emeritus who might be willing to submit a Peace Prize nomination?

I have begun to sketch a draft list including some folks who are on this
listserv. And also including old friends in the OS world who might be
eligible - tho have not contacted these folks yet. Dr. John D. Adams, Dr.
Antonio Nunez came to mind recently.

Other topics can of course be placed on the wall that Barry invoked for us!

Warmly
Jeff

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 8:21 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
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> Hi Jeff,
>
> I'm going meta here. Let's look at the nomination process:
> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination
>
> It says nominations must be submitted by *January 31*. "In order for a
> nomination to be valid, it must be submitted no later than January 31." So
> we are preparing for the 2022 nomination process at this point.
>
> Let's look at who can nominate:
>
> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators
>
> The relevant clause is here (emphasis added):
>
> University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of 
> *history,
> social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion*; university
> rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace
> research institutes and foreign policy institutes
>
> The Open Space Institute - U.S. isn't allowed to nominate exactly, it
> would be it's director. OSI-US has never had a "director". That typically
> is a paid position. We could probably work around that issue, maybe, but
> let's say we could. What is a "Peace Research Institute"? I can't find a
> definition anywhere, but there are numerous organizations with "Peace
> Research Institute" in their name. Like the "Stockholm International Peace
> Research Institute".
>
> I just don't think the OSI-US can morph itself into an entity that would
> qualify us as a nominator. It is likely to get our nomination disqualified.
> Our best bet is to find a Professor,  Professor Emeriti, or Associate
> Professor in the relevant subjects.
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 2/12/21 3:29 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
>
> Ok! My name is Jeff and I have two topics:
>
> 1.
> Will the OSI-US consider discovering if they can be a Peace Institute
> under the definition in the Nobel guidelines, in order to be eligible and
> to submit a Peace Prize nomination?
>
> 2.
> Will others join me to research any eligible university faculty or faculty
> emeritus who might be willing to submit a Peace Prize nomination?
>
> Warmly,
> Jeff
> rjeffait...@gmail.com
>
> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
> Ramaytush Ohlone ancestral territory
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 1:55 PM Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mark!
>>
>> Jeff and I connected today about this today, and we are definitely
>> interested in moving this forward.
>>
>> I would like to pose a question - A theme:
>>
>> By all means, feel free to edit the theme if you feel so moved
>>
>> *How will we appropriately Honor the significance of the impact on all
>> beings through Harrison Owen's discovery and dissemination of Open Space
>> Technology?*
>>
>> A nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize seems to be a good start.
>>
>> All 8 Billion of us are hereby invited to join us to explore issues and
>> opportunities relating to this important and complex theme.
>>
>> For sure, our participants will be a wildly diverse group and potential
>> for conflict runs with the territory, - we know that resolving to succeed
>> with this nomination will be a HUGE leap towards Harrison Owen's
>> realization of his lifelong work of bringing all 8 Billion of us into
>> useful conversation.
>> We know that this is possible  because we know that it matters not how
>> MANY people join this gathering , , , It's WHO comes. All the right people
>> will Show up and be fully present.
>> NOW is the right time for this . . . Right HERE wherever we are  . . .
>> and whatever happens will be the only thing that could have . . . And we
>> might just break the 5th principal, because, with success comes a universal
>> conversation which we know will never be over. Bumblebees, Butterflies, and
>> the law of 2 feet . . . and our only expectation is that we'll be surprised.
>>
>> Let's get to work - We've got @ 8 months to submit this nomination
>>
>> PS . . . I don't have a "Plan B"

Re: [OSList] Thank YOU to ALL who Favor the Nobel Peace Prize - for Whom we all Know - with the initials H.O.

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Ok! My name is Jeff and I have two topics:

1.
Will the OSI-US consider discovering if they can be a Peace Institute under
the definition in the Nobel guidelines, in order to be eligible and to
submit a Peace Prize nomination?

2.
Will others join me to research any eligible university faculty or faculty
emeritus who might be willing to submit a Peace Prize nomination?

Warmly,
Jeff
rjeffait...@gmail.com

Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
Ramaytush Ohlone ancestral territory

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 1:55 PM Barry Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello Mark!
>
> Jeff and I connected today about this today, and we are definitely
> interested in moving this forward.
>
> I would like to pose a question - A theme:
>
> By all means, feel free to edit the theme if you feel so moved
>
> *How will we appropriately Honor the significance of the impact on all
> beings through Harrison Owen's discovery and dissemination of Open Space
> Technology?*
>
> A nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize seems to be a good start.
>
> All 8 Billion of us are hereby invited to join us to explore issues and
> opportunities relating to this important and complex theme.
>
> For sure, our participants will be a wildly diverse group and potential
> for conflict runs with the territory, - we know that resolving to succeed
> with this nomination will be a HUGE leap towards Harrison Owen's
> realization of his lifelong work of bringing all 8 Billion of us into
> useful conversation.
> We know that this is possible  because we know that it matters not how
> MANY people join this gathering , , , It's WHO comes. All the right people
> will Show up and be fully present.
> NOW is the right time for this . . . Right HERE wherever we are  . . . and
> whatever happens will be the only thing that could have . . . And we might
> just break the 5th principal, because, with success comes a universal
> conversation which we know will never be over. Bumblebees, Butterflies, and
> the law of 2 feet . . . and our only expectation is that we'll be surprised.
>
> Let's get to work - We've got @ 8 months to submit this nomination
>
> PS . . . I don't have a "Plan B"
>
> b
>
> So . . . State your name - Title your topic - and add it to the Bulletin
> Board  . . . The marketplace is now open
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>  How is that for a little poetry for you?  It was amazing to me that I
>> had the lightning bolt of this idea and shared it with you all only to
>> Learn from Jeff Aitken, it was within minutes of the deadline for the
>> previous cycle. I would like to sincerely thank everyone who replied
>> positively. I love the suggestion from Jeff and Romy that perhaps we could
>> transform ourselves into a peace institute or to rely on professors to
>> submit the nomination for us next year ... Of course this is not my party
>> and I'm not in charge. (Darn it, LOL...).
>>
>> If the World Could Only See,
>> That Open Space Technology IS the way to BE,
>> Then all the World's Women and all the worlds Men,
>> Will Live Peacefully Together again
>>  And be Happy all the way till THE END.
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Re: [OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Americausa the

Beautiful

Couldn't

Deftly

Embrace

Fresh

Government

Harnessing

Inspiration

Just as a

Killer app

Made

Numerous

Oppositions

Plain.

Qoax

Rekindled

Severe

Trials

Unwrapping

Various

Wooly

X-factors of the

Young country's

Zeitgeist.



On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 9:29 AM doug via OSList 
wrote:

> Jeff--
>
> Wonderfully evocative!
>
> Thank you.
>
> :- Doug.
>
> On 2/3/21 1:15 AM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
> > Rockport (a poem)
> >
> >
> > When crossing open space
> >
> > Use the edges of your eyes.
> >
> > The old ones say that golden keys
> >
> > Rest under the smallest stones,
> >
> > Cared for by guards, who know
> >
> > The secrets of shoes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 9:26 AM doug via OSList
> > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Paul--
> >
> > I love to see your poetry when it pops up on oslist from time to
> time.
> > It is evocative for me. Thank you.
> >
> > :- Doug.
> >
> > On 1/30/21 8:43 AM, paul levy via OSList wrote:
> >  > Opening Space
> >  >
> >  > In this place there are only tones.
> >  > No bodily function yet movement
> >  >  From thought that flexes
> >  > Non-existent muscles.
> >  >
> >  > There are no nouns, only verb
> >  > Upon verb, Like fields and valleys,
> >  > The language spoken by
> >  > The dead, who have cast off all nouns
> >  > Is a landscape uttered here.
> >  >
> >  > There are harmonics and rising pitch
> >  > That discords as pain, and accords
> >  > As love.
> >  >
> >  > In this place there is only tone.
> >  > There is communion in notes with a
> >  > Melody of Meaning and it is possible
> >  > To touch another with the intention
> >  > Of a healing song.
> >  >
> >  > Into this place, I unfold my wings of sound-borne light.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Sat, 30 Jan 2021, 11:48 Romy Shovelton via OSList,
> >  >  > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>>
> >  > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Absolutely LOVING this Open Space poetry !!  Thanks
> everyone…..
> >  >
> >  > I can see a new way to being the Opening Circle !!  
> >  >
> >  > Romy
> >  >
> >  >
> >      >
> >  >
> >  >> On 30 Jan 2021, at 02:54, lucia pavia Ticzon via OSList
> >  >>  > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> >  >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> 
> >  >>
> >  >> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble. Or
> >  >>
> >  >> Yehey! Now i / we all can
> >  >> Z z.
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> Love’t Thanks be!
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList
> >  >>  > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> >  >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives
> > led me
> >  >> on a good journey last night. Some of the jewels I found
> > were
> >  >> poems, from the days of the "poetry celebration and
> contest"
> >  >> that lived here for a long while.
> >  >>
> >  >> Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic
> > "form" to
> >  >> follow for that round of celebration.
> >  >>
> >  >> Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> huge pens and newsprint
> >  >>
> >  >> like twigs and leaves on the floor:
> >   

Re: [OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Rockport (a poem)


When crossing open space

Use the edges of your eyes.

The old ones say that golden keys

Rest under the smallest stones,

Cared for by guards, who know

The secrets of shoes.




On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 9:26 AM doug via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Paul--
>
> I love to see your poetry when it pops up on oslist from time to time.
> It is evocative for me. Thank you.
>
> :- Doug.
>
> On 1/30/21 8:43 AM, paul levy via OSList wrote:
> > Opening Space
> >
> > In this place there are only tones.
> > No bodily function yet movement
> >  From thought that flexes
> > Non-existent muscles.
> >
> > There are no nouns, only verb
> > Upon verb, Like fields and valleys,
> > The language spoken by
> > The dead, who have cast off all nouns
> > Is a landscape uttered here.
> >
> > There are harmonics and rising pitch
> > That discords as pain, and accords
> > As love.
> >
> > In this place there is only tone.
> > There is communion in notes with a
> > Melody of Meaning and it is possible
> > To touch another with the intention
> > Of a healing song.
> >
> > Into this place, I unfold my wings of sound-borne light.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 2021, 11:48 Romy Shovelton via OSList,
> > mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely LOVING this Open Space poetry !!  Thanks everyone…..
> >
> > I can see a new way to being the Opening Circle !!  
> >
> > Romy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 30 Jan 2021, at 02:54, lucia pavia Ticzon via OSList
> >>      >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble. Or
> >>
> >> Yehey! Now i / we all can
> >> Z z.
> >>
> >>
> >> Love’t Thanks be!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList
> >>  >> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives led me
> >> on a good journey last night. Some of the jewels I found were
> >> poems, from the days of the "poetry celebration and contest"
> >> that lived here for a long while.
> >>
> >> Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic "form" to
> >> follow for that round of celebration.
> >>
> >> Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.
> >>
> >>
> >> huge pens and newsprint
> >>
> >> like twigs and leaves on the floor:
> >>
> >> fall forest clearing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> wall like wide canvas
> >>
> >> bare, primed, awaiting fresh strokes
> >>
> >> painted by our hearts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> circle of welcome,
> >>
> >> like setting an old table
> >>
> >> for neighbors and friends.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is one in a fun form using an alphabet. It's not about
> >> open space, but is about writing a poem, kinda. (Without
> >> launching a new Celebration formally, i invite you to try it...)
> >>
> >>
> >> And I
> >> Believe you too
> >> Can
> >> Do a poem, and
> >> Even
> >> Fairly
> >> Gracefully – I
> >> Have seen
> >> Innovative
> >> Juxtapositions
> >> Kindly
> >> Line up in
> >> Many
> >> New and
> >> Original
> >> Poems - it’s
> >> Quite
> >> Reasonable to get
> >> So many words
> >> To line
> >> Up
> >> Very
> >> Willingly
> >> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Carol! - based on your signature, you may be in a position to be the one
who submits the nomination, being eligible with your academic role? Just a
thought.

Jeff

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 12:17 PM Carol Daniel Kasbari via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Big YES! Working in conflict resolution and peacebuilding all my life, I
> have not met someone who embodies peace like Harrison does. He never talks
> about how to make peace, rather it's in his being. He is the change we all
> aspire to have in our lives and communities. Embracing what is, giving
> unconditionally, and letting go of whatever happens, that's peace!
>
> Carol
> --
>
> *Carol Daniel Kasbari, Ph.D.*
>
> *Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution- GMU*
>
> *Scholar-Practitioner in Conflict analysis & Resistance Studies*
>
> *https://activity.scar.gmu.edu/people/carol-kasbari
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__activity.scar.gmu.edu_people_carol-2Dkasbari=DwMFAg=U0G0XJAMhEk_X0GAGzCL7Q=NcbmpY95vQpacXO9R-tsFKVrN86ULvYvycWcltU1Nfs=BBfk4TcIpK4M4PXIHLoKCBxs6Moyjmlrl8rkmUjDBUw=jJcwOQc_csWNsyreyGi6h0S9xu_RWTC1NUre3NaDGA4=>*
>
> *https://www.mei.edu/experts/carol-daniel-kasbari
> <https://www.mei.edu/experts/carol-daniel-kasbari>  *
>
> *https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroldaniel
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> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 4:06 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>   ABSOLUTELY! I'm IN!
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 5:36 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I know university faculty who might be thrilled to submit such a
>>> nomination with team support. I am curious if any OS Institute leadership
>>> want to step in.
>>>
>>> The website says these nominations are kept confidential for 50 years.
>>> So maybe a focused small private endeavor is a way to proceed. Rather than
>>> any campaign toward a groundswell of support.
>>>
>>> Warmly
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 8:31 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great idea ! If we miss this year… we can take this next year to
>>>> prepare for the nominations in 2022….
>>>>
>>>> Romy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Romy Shovelton*
>>>>
>>>> *Executive Director*
>>>> *Wikima* and the
>>>> *5* Tyddyn RetreatMid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:55, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nominations are due in two hours (midnight CET.)  : )
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a call for a plan to nominate by Jan 31, a year from now.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:31 PM Jeff Aitken 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe an OS Institute can be considered a Peace Research Institute! We
>>>>> are studying the Practice of Peace are we not? The case to make on this is
>>>>> also a case for HHO...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:26 PM Jeff Aitken 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
>>>>>> nomination online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The deadline each year is January 31 -which is t

Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

I know university faculty who might be thrilled to submit such a nomination
with team support. I am curious if any OS Institute leadership want to step
in.

The website says these nominations are kept confidential for 50 years. So
maybe a focused small private endeavor is a way to proceed. Rather than any
campaign toward a groundswell of support.

Warmly
Jeff

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 8:31 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Great idea ! If we miss this year… we can take this next year to prepare
> for the nominations in 2022….
>
> Romy
>
>
> *Romy Shovelton*
>
> *Executive Director*
> *Wikima* and the
> *5* Tyddyn RetreatMid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages*
>
>
> On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:55, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Nominations are due in two hours (midnight CET.)  : )
>
> Seems like a call for a plan to nominate by Jan 31, a year from now.
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:31 PM Jeff Aitken 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe an OS Institute can be considered a Peace Research Institute! We
>> are studying the Practice of Peace are we not? The case to make on this is
>> also a case for HHO...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:26 PM Jeff Aitken 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
>>> nomination online.
>>>
>>> The deadline each year is January 31 -which is today! - for this year's
>>> prize.
>>>
>>> The limited list of those who are eligible to submit a nomination is
>>> also on the site.
>>> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators
>>>
>>> Unless any of us are members of a national assembly, or on the board of
>>> a Peace Prize winning organization, the most obvious eligible group (to me)
>>> is this below. Anyone fit the bill?
>>>
>>>
>>>- University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors
>>>of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion;
>>>university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents);
>>>directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who Better?  Who is more deserving?  No one in my humble opinion.  If
>>>> the world becomes open to peace and human understanding, then our dearly
>>>> beloved Harrison Owen CREATED the way...for the world to follow.  The list
>>>> serve could provide the documentation of the history of Peacemaking as
>>>> proof, for the Nobel Peace Prize application...
>>>> MC
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Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Nominations are due in two hours (midnight CET.)  : )

Seems like a call for a plan to nominate by Jan 31, a year from now.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:31 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Maybe an OS Institute can be considered a Peace Research Institute! We are
> studying the Practice of Peace are we not? The case to make on this is also
> a case for HHO...
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:26 PM Jeff Aitken 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
>> nomination online.
>>
>> The deadline each year is January 31 -which is today! - for this year's
>> prize.
>>
>> The limited list of those who are eligible to submit a nomination is also
>> on the site.
>> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators
>>
>> Unless any of us are members of a national assembly, or on the board of a
>> Peace Prize winning organization, the most obvious eligible group (to me)
>> is this below. Anyone fit the bill?
>>
>>
>>- University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors
>>of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion;
>>university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents);
>>directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Who Better?  Who is more deserving?  No one in my humble opinion.  If
>>> the world becomes open to peace and human understanding, then our dearly
>>> beloved Harrison Owen CREATED the way...for the world to follow.  The list
>>> serve could provide the documentation of the history of Peacemaking as
>>> proof, for the Nobel Peace Prize application...
>>> MC
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Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Maybe an OS Institute can be considered a Peace Research Institute! We are
studying the Practice of Peace are we not? The case to make on this is also
a case for HHO...

Jeff

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:26 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
> nomination online.
>
> The deadline each year is January 31 -which is today! - for this year's
> prize.
>
> The limited list of those who are eligible to submit a nomination is also
> on the site.
> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators
>
> Unless any of us are members of a national assembly, or on the board of a
> Peace Prize winning organization, the most obvious eligible group (to me)
> is this below. Anyone fit the bill?
>
>
>- University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors
>of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion;
>university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents);
>directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Who Better?  Who is more deserving?  No one in my humble opinion.  If the
>> world becomes open to peace and human understanding, then our dearly
>> beloved Harrison Owen CREATED the way...for the world to follow.  The list
>> serve could provide the documentation of the history of Peacemaking as
>> proof, for the Nobel Peace Prize application...
>> MC
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Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
nomination online.

The deadline each year is January 31 -which is today! - for this year's
prize.

The limited list of those who are eligible to submit a nomination is also
on the site.
https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators

Unless any of us are members of a national assembly, or on the board of a
Peace Prize winning organization, the most obvious eligible group (to me)
is this below. Anyone fit the bill?


   - University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of
   history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion;
   university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents);
   directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Who Better?  Who is more deserving?  No one in my humble opinion.  If the
> world becomes open to peace and human understanding, then our dearly
> beloved Harrison Owen CREATED the way...for the world to follow.  The list
> serve could provide the documentation of the history of Peacemaking as
> proof, for the Nobel Peace Prize application...
> MC
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Re: [OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

An open space

By internet

Can serve

During

Emergencies

Fostering

Good conversations

Held in surprising

Intimacy

Just because our

Kind faces

Linger at the screen

Making that

Nearby feeling.

Optimally a

Platform like

Qiqo is a

Resource

Suited

To

Underpin a

Very

Welcoming

Xperience if

You so

deZire.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 10:12 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives led me on a good
> journey last night. Some of the jewels I found were poems, from the days of
> the "poetry celebration and contest" that lived here for a long while.
>
> Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic "form" to follow for
> that round of celebration.
>
> Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.
>
>
> huge pens and newsprint
>
> like twigs and leaves on the floor:
>
> fall forest clearing.
>
>
> wall like wide canvas
>
> bare, primed, awaiting fresh strokes
>
> painted by our hearts.
>
>
> circle of welcome,
>
> like setting an old table
>
> for neighbors and friends.
>
>
>
> Here is one in a fun form using an alphabet. It's not about open space,
> but is about writing a poem, kinda. (Without launching a new Celebration
> formally, i invite you to try it...)
>
>
> And I
> Believe you too
> Can
> Do a poem, and
> Even
> Fairly
> Gracefully – I
> Have seen
> Innovative
> Juxtapositions
> Kindly
> Line up in
> Many
> New and
> Original
> Poems - it’s
> Quite
> Reasonable to get
> So many words
> To line
> Up
> Very
> Willingly
> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble.
>
>
>
>
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[OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives led me on a good
journey last night. Some of the jewels I found were poems, from the days of
the "poetry celebration and contest" that lived here for a long while.

Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic "form" to follow for
that round of celebration.

Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.


huge pens and newsprint

like twigs and leaves on the floor:

fall forest clearing.


wall like wide canvas

bare, primed, awaiting fresh strokes

painted by our hearts.


circle of welcome,

like setting an old table

for neighbors and friends.



Here is one in a fun form using an alphabet. It's not about open space, but
is about writing a poem, kinda. (Without launching a new Celebration
formally, i invite you to try it...)


And I
Believe you too
Can
Do a poem, and
Even
Fairly
Gracefully – I
Have seen
Innovative
Juxtapositions
Kindly
Line up in
Many
New and
Original
Poems - it’s
Quite
Reasonable to get
So many words
To line
Up
Very
Willingly
Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble.
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Re: [OSList] Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Mark, I know you are saying that it can't be done here. I hope to not be
missing your point again. Anyway, am appreciating the exchange.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 11:33 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Thanks Mark. Yes i took an odd tangent, which my friends will know is
> typical for me...
>
> Thanks for clarifying and for posting your deep concerns in more detail.
>
> Working with an open space approach in a large and polarized country in a
> most challenging time: issues and opportunities... ?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 10:43 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply Jeff. However, you missed my points entirely. I was
>> referring to how the four fold way don't work in the real world and what we
>> as open space facilitators must do in my opinion to follow the new law of
>> leadership loyalty.
>> All the best to you also,
>> MC
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:16 PM 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>   Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>>3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
>>>   Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>>4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:58:52 +0800
>>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson 
>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> 
>>> Subject: [OSList] Being present and listen
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Dear community
>>>
>>> Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and
>>> High Performance event.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a
>>> message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of
>>> group
>>> members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I
>>> will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before
>>> February
>>> 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.
>>>
>>> A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how
>>> people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the
>>> outsider
>>> to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions
>>> an
>>> emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening.
>>> Authentic
>>> listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan
>>> Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and
>>> listening there were some more conversations, reaching out to people
>>> in
>>> bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the
>>> young.
>>> I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was proposed.
>>> Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a
>>> structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many
>>> fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or
>>> even in the meat space whan that is safe.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing
>>> structure
>>> of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative
>>> listening and being present for them to open space in their circle!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is
>>> kortleg...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> *Best regards*
>>> *K?ri Gunnarsson*
>>>
>>> *Iceland / Taiwan*
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:26:09 -0800
>>> From: Jeff Aitken 
>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
>>> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi 

Re: [OSList] Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Mark. Yes i took an odd tangent, which my friends will know is
typical for me...

Thanks for clarifying and for posting your deep concerns in more detail.

Working with an open space approach in a large and polarized country in a
most challenging time: issues and opportunities... ?

Jeff

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 10:43 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks for your reply Jeff. However, you missed my points entirely. I was
> referring to how the four fold way don't work in the real world and what we
> as open space facilitators must do in my opinion to follow the new law of
> leadership loyalty.
> All the best to you also,
> MC
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:16 PM 
> wrote:
>
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>>2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
>>   Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
>>   Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:58:52 +0800
>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson 
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> 
>> Subject: [OSList] Being present and listen
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> calygw_dnjr9eejldt5cnbobqesy7_zbv3wgwtjxd1gkn+ca...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dear community
>>
>> Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the
>> years.
>>
>> I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and
>> High Performance event.
>>
>> If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a
>> message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of group
>> members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I
>> will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before
>> February
>> 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.
>>
>> A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how
>> people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the outsider
>> to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions an
>> emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening.
>> Authentic
>> listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan
>> Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and
>> listening there were some more conversations, reaching out to people
>> in
>> bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the young.
>> I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was proposed.
>> Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a
>> structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many
>> fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or
>> even in the meat space whan that is safe.
>>
>> Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing
>> structure
>> of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative
>> listening and being present for them to open space in their circle!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is
>> kortleg...@gmail.com
>>
>> *Best regards*
>> *K?ri Gunnarsson*
>>
>> *Iceland / Taiwan*
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:26:09 -0800
>> From: Jeff Aitken 
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
>> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
>> Message-ID:
>> > fsjv+ur0...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
>> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
>> be a conversation here. Best to you.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Jeff,
>> >  Thank you very much for 

Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to
memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven
elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I
felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was
literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated
eventually to raise my voice for my values.

My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I
could be mistaken.

My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest
fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested
vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during
all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated
me personally from some of those troubles.

It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and
others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another. And
maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm
not sure if that is true.

I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I
noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven
had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it
here. I don't have a clue what else to say.

Jeff

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
> be a conversation here. Best to you.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>  Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting
>> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the
>> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
>> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement...  That's a wonderful warm
>> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in
>> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
>> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an
>> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
>> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
>> government with which to lead.   Do the winners speak their truth (now that
>> they won) without blame or judgment?  Did the winners speak their truth
>> without blame or judgment in order to win?  The answers are very clear
>> Jeff. Hell no.  Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
>> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
>> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes
>> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
>> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment,
>> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided
>> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that
>> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
>> Jeff?  The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if
>> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power.  Tow the party
>> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
>> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your
>> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and
>> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth.
>> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself  and others we
>> try to bring in the safe space into harms way.  The rules have changed.
>> And rules is rules.
>> MC
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
>>> From: Jeff Aitken 
>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and
>>> you will rise to the top, disobey 

Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
be a conversation here. Best to you.


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Jeff,
>  Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting
> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the
> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement...  That's a wonderful warm
> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in
> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an
> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
> government with which to lead.   Do the winners speak their truth (now that
> they won) without blame or judgment?  Did the winners speak their truth
> without blame or judgment in order to win?  The answers are very clear
> Jeff. Hell no.  Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes
> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment,
> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided
> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that
> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
> Jeff?  The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if
> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power.  Tow the party
> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your
> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and
> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth.
> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself  and others we
> try to bring in the safe space into harms way.  The rules have changed.
> And rules is rules.
> MC
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>> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,
>> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your
>> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
>> Way.
>> I don't know what else to say.
>>
>> Jeff
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Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,
and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your
truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold Way.
I don't know what else to say.

Jeff

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> I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of
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> The future is CLEAR
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[OSList] Convergent facilitation

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

A new thread for this. I just got the book and recommend it for your
perusal and toolbox. Thanks to Tom Atlee for sharing it just before I ran
into Miki by chance.

There is a new book by the remarkable Miki Kashtan, who has deep skills in
nonviolent communication. The book is an approach to conflict that looks
VERY powerful and auspicious in our times of deep polarities.

"Convergent Facilitation is a revolutionary new way of collaborating by
creating space for all needs to be heard, inviting dissent without fear or
animosity, and attending to power dynamics that are in the room."

*https://convergentfacilitation.org/ *
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Re: [OSList] Non Confused American

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

A little time with my cousin yielded this snip from a site called patriot
retort. Perhaps "the plan" is "an unconstitutional power grab" per below.
(Clearly, many here are in fear of what may be next in the great Open Space
of USA; it's just maybe different folks than those who have been in fear
for the last four years, who are different from those in fear for 8 years
before that.)

And like all tyrant-wannabes, the Left deploys language as a weapon. They’re
viciously firing off words like “Insurrection” and “Sedition” in order to
crush their political opponents.

Abusing this kind of malicious language gives them the pretext they need to
unleash with impunity a crackdown on our Liberty. Now any pushback against
the unconstitutional power grab that is coming will immediately be labeled
“sedition” or “insurrection.”
...

This leads to a related tangent, a new book by the remarkable Miki Kashtan,
who has deep skills in nonviolent communication. The book is an approach to
conflict that looks VERY powerful and auspicious in our times of deep
polarities. Apologies to Miki (kind of) for placing this blurb in this
context.

"Convergent Facilitation is a revolutionary new way of collaborating by
creating space for all needs to be heard, inviting dissent without fear or
animosity, and attending to power dynamics that are in the room."
*https://convergentfacilitation.org/ <https://convergentfacilitation.org/>*


On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 3:11 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
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> It is ALL going according to plan right now.
> MC
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>>4. Re: Confused American (Michael M Pannwitz)
>>5. Re: Confused American (harrison owen)
>>6. Re: Confused American (Patricia Haines)
>>7. Re: Confused American (paul levy)
>>8. Re: Confused American (Barry Owen)
>>9. Re: Confused European (f...@open2flow.co.uk)
>>   10. Re: Confused American (Jeff Aitken)
>>   11. Re: Confused American (Chris Corrigan)
>>   12. Re: Confused American (Marc C. Trudeau)
>>   13. Re: Confused American (harrison owen)
>>   14. Re: Confused American (CHARLES COLPITTS)
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>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>>
>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> place on the optimal day.
>>
>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 23:21:51 -0500
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>> I thought Open Space was about democracy, giving voice to everyone?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:26 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> osli

Re: [OSList] Confused American

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi folks. The voice that I used for that post was that of my cousin, whom I
love very much. He is, like me, a white American with twelve generations of
ancestry in Maryland and West Virginia, until our grandfather moved to
California.

I was reflecting on the theme of the upcoming online OS conference, around
holding space for 8 billion people in conversation. My cousin's voice came
through suddenly, to start to reflect the intensity of the conflicts in the
USA on the day of the 2nd impeachment.

Holding space for even the USA's 300+ million at this time requires digging
deeper than usual. I need to understand the assumptions and judgments that
I make about folks whose voices sound like that. I did have satire in mind
at first, but then the floor dropped out beneath me.

So, it became an offering in these interesting times.

Jeff

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:43 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
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> Exactly Paul - I thought "Tongue in cheek"
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:39 AM paul levy via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into Jeff's
>> post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather differently
>>
>> From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> This is totally weird… I’ve known Jeff for years and I simply can’t
>>> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ho
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>>> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
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>>> *Cc: *Jeff Aitken 
>>> *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>>>
>>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>>>
>>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>>>
>>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>>>
>>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>>>
>>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>>>
>>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>>>
>>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>>>
>>> place on the optimal day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>>>
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[OSList] Confused American

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
leading up to that moment, it seemed.

The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
(who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
place on the optimal day.

What went wrong? I remain confused.
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Re: [OSList] Re Open Space in Zoom times

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi. I like the proposal for a 9 am start here in Pacific Time, not earlier.

Monday/18 works for me too. Thanks.

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 11:51 AM JL Walker B. via OSList <
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> Dear Romy, it seems that there has been a misunderstanding or I expressed
> myself badly, but I will just be one more participant and I will not be
> facilitating or holding the space in the Annual Peace and High Performance
> event the next 22 to 24 of January.
>
>
>
> Notwithstanding the above, I find your suggestion interesting and I hope
> to hear what those who have more experience than me can say.
>
>
>
> Peace & love,
>
>
>
> Juan Luis
>
>
>
> *De:* OSList  *En nombre de *Romy
> Shovelton via OSList
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 11 de enero de 2021 17:01
> *Para:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *CC:* Romy Shovelton 
> *Asunto:* [OSList] Re Open Space in Zoom times
>
>
>
> WOW…. I am blown away ! …. tho’ not surprised by the joyful and
> enthusiastic response to my little posting !!
>
>
>
> Thank you old and new friends…. Chris, Peggy, Michael, Thomas, Christine….
> what a treat it will be to connect and learn with you once again…. and
> Funda, Jeff, Steve, Liz (in the UK too!), Jake, Marc… and of course
> Suzanne, Harrison & JuanLuis  ……hello & huge OS smiles to you all.
>
>
>
> Here are my first thoughts…. with all other suggestions naturally welcome
> :
>
>
>
>- We hold a zoom on *“How do we open space most brilliantly in zoom
>times”* (or something similar)
>
>
>- the focus being on what is needed and what works in holding space
>   for effective conversations, using the variety of platforms that folks 
> have
>   experience of blending with Open Space eg. Zoom, Qiqochat, Miro, 
> GoogleDocs
>   etc etc.
>   - we experience as many of the platforms as poss’ during our
>   gathering
>   - we hold relatively brief sessions, knowing that we can continue
>   together or in separate groups afterwards
>
>
>- Once we have shared our collective wisdom on some of what works in a
>practical and meaningful way…. we can join in the virtual Open Space that
>Suzanne, Harrison and JuanLuis are holding on Jan 22nd - 24th - focusing on
>the beautiful question of *“How do we engage 8 billion people in
>meaningful conversation?” *
>
>
>
> How does that sound?
>
>
>
>- for date: how about *Monday 18th Jan *(a week today)? ie. ahead of
>the virtual OS for 8 billion people, the following weekend.
>- for time (to include Pacific Coast time - to Istanbul time): how
>about* 9am (Pacific Time)* = 5pm (UK time) = 8pm (Istanbul time)
>
>
>- we hold a zoom gathering in Open Space - of course !!
>- timetable:
>
>
>- 9.00 (10) Welcome, OS Theme *“How do we open space most brilliantly
>   in zoom times”, *& roadmap of our time
>
>
>- including time for hello waves across the zoomiverse !…. while
>  everyone joins
>
>
>- 9.10 (10) Explanation of how the Open Space in Zoom Time will work
>   technically …. on Zoom, Qiqochat etc.
>
>
>- Who might create a technical blending for our gathering, to give us
>  an experience of as many ways of connecting brilliantly, using a 
> variety of
>  platforms, as possible? Chris? Peggy? Michael? Someone else?
>
>
>- to include how the Law of Two Feet works virtually.
>
>
>- And who might be able to send a zoom invitation…. and post it on the
>  OSLIST?
>
>
>- 9.20 (30) Opening Circle (enough time?). Who would like to
>   facilitate this, using which platform?
>   - 9.50 (40) Open Space Sessions - One. Reports to include
>   Recommendations. How might reports be posted? Who can make that happen?
>   - 10.30 (40) Open Space Sessions - Two.
>   - 11.10 (15) gathering, posting & reading of reports, while having
>   *real* cups of tea … in a virtual Coffee Break (the start of all
>   things Open Space!)
>
>
>- Is there a way of putting virtual “dots” onto the recommendations……?
>  Just curious. We probably don’t need to do this, as our gathering is
>  primarily a wisdom sharing session, rather than an action session.
>
>
>- 11.25 (20) Closing Circle….  to share any other thoughts, feelings
>   and wisdom that has not yet been expressed.
>
>
>- And talking of which…. how might we have a virtual Graffiti Wall,
>  for anyone to post thoughts that don’t seem to fit anywhere else?
>
>
>
> Ok lovely Spacers of the Open kind……
>
>
>
> These are my thoughts and words for today…. I have spoken…..around the
> virtual fire that is the OSLIST. 
>
>
>
> Romy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times......

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Greetings yall. Interested from California, where a friend and I are
hatching a plan. Same time zone as Chris.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:51 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi friends!
> Would love to join you. I’ve used OS online quite a bit and would be
> curious about your ideas and thoughts.
> Mostly used QiqoChat or Zoom/Google docs and tried Teams for OST too
> Thomas (on CET)
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> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times..
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> I would like to participate as well from Istanbul.
>
> Funda
>
> Michael Herman via OSList , 10 Oca 2021
> Paz, 20:42 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
> Great call, Romy!  I’m in too.  And just one time zone click from Chris
> and Peggy.  Sooner the better, for me.  Planning some more meetings now.
> Michael
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:35 Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Lovely to see you here Romy!
>
> I’m game to be in a conversation. Since I’m in the same time zone as
> Chris, though across a border, if the time works for him, it works for me.
>
> I’ve just used Zoom and Google docs for the breakout spaces. You can see
> an example from a gathering on journalism education that matters
>  that was
> turned into a website after the convening. The session notes were once
> Google docs.
>
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>
>
>
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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> If the time zones work, I’d be interested. My crew is doing OST events
> with Zoom and Miro (and Google Slides) and we could share some stories.
>
> It works far better than I would have expected.
>
>  Chris
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:59 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
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>
> Hello lovely OS world and extended family….
>
> Apologies for being absent for SO long….. I lurk occasionally and enJOY
> seeing you there, sharing wisdom so brilliantly and inspiringly. Thank you.
>
> Seeing Funda’s posting…. I would LOVE to have a conversation (dare I say
> Zoom ?!!) with OS people about how to make OS the best it possibly can be
> in an online world. I know that Phelim and the Improbable crew have done
> some online work. If anyone might be interested in talking about such
> things, I would love it….
>
> Many thanks
>
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Re: [OSList] ΑΠ: Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thank you Maria. Yes the warm and exciting feelings that can arise in open
spaces and warm data labs (and world cafes and talking circles) can be
extraordinary!

There is the excitement of exploration, curiosity, adventure, connection,
and learning. And there are struggles, and moving thru challenges into
breakthroughs in understanding, and feelings of open hearted love and
appreciation...

The risks that we take to enter into such hosted processes, and the trust
required to follow the flow of the event and let it move us and transform
us. Such that our work and life can proceed with more coherence and
confidence.

This is surely where the "juice" is -- and what keeps us returning to such
spaces when the time comes. Thanks for the reminder!

Warmly,
Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:42 PM Maria Bakari via OSList <
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> ...Recalling an interview with Nora Bateson sharing one of the "key-rules"
> of her childhood amazing open space (my take on that) learning playground:
> "There is no such thing as a stupid question"...
> For this reason and for a sensed excitement around process
> (design) questions,
> I am glad this question was asked.
> Thank you, Dear Robyn!
>
> However I'd go beyond comparison and beyond contrast...
> Beyond these, the exploration feels fascinating
> and deeper/wider/ more artful even perhaps questions even more so...
>
> For me (and no I'm not "a trained WD host" not even a "trained open space
> host")
> I'm just a big lover of both:
> There is something in self-organisation that dances so well with warm
> dating...
>
> -What is it? What are the processes that can courageously hold us or teach
> us or take us deeper/higher...?
>  in this submerging?
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> On 1 Jun 2020, at 3:57 pm, Jeroen Vermeer via OSList <
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>
> Although much has been said already on this topic, I'd like to offer my
> insights as a trained WDL host. Simply put: don't even try to compare OST
> and WDL, just not worth the exercise. The Warm Data Lab has been designed
> as a process to let people experience the rich interdependencies of complex
> systems and questions. It can for example serve as a precursor to an OST
> event, or be a standalone process. It has no purpose other than to create a
> lived experience (and thereby altered perception) of the participants on
> the interdependencies. As Nora Bateson likes to say "perception is action",
> so it's effects are not to be underestimated. The process itself looks to
> be very simple, but there's actually a lot to it, which goes well beyond
> what I can explain. Please follow Nora Bateson herself through the many
> writings she has shared or the podcasts she has taken a part in. Watch her
> fillm 'An ecology of Mind', or take her training ;)
>
> Warm regards,
> Hartelijke groet,
>
> Jeroen Vermeer
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> Op 30/05/2020 17:43:42, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> schreef:
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Ha ha, cheers Michael!

On Sat, May 30, 2020, 8:07 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> To write "open space" in lower case is my trademark, so please, respect it
>
> greetings from Berlin where I enjoy the last spring days and the open
> beer garden in my neighborhood... its not the same thing as a couple of
> martini cocktails so I have no new insights...
>
> I wonder what a "Cold Data Lab" would look like or even a "Hot Data Lab"
> or a "Temperate Data Lab" or a "Fragrant Data Lab"...
>
> Be on the watch for Holy Spirit in the next couple of days
>
> mmp
> Am 30.05.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Robyn Williams ► via OSList:
> > Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case. J
> >
> > Def not OST!
> >
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

>From the website, one example of six contexts for a theme, which seems the
minimum number for a good lab:

"For example, if one is to study the ways in which food impacts our lives,
a multifaceted study of ecology, culture, agriculture, economy,
cross-generational communication, and media must take place. This
transcontextual platform provides a wider contextual framework for further
inquiry into what forms and constitutes certain international contemporary
issues such as eating disorders, starvation, and other health problems
associated with diet."

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:57 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Jake. This is where the training offered by Nora and colleagues is
> likely very helpful.
>
> To access a transcontextual learning experience, the Warm Data Lab is
> thoughtfully designed with a range of contexts from which participants
> would engage the central theme question.
>
> Learning to develop a wise variety is likely a goal of the training.
>
> There were about 10 contexts in the WDL that I experienced - but i don't
> recall them all! As an educator interested in cultures, i spent lots of
> time in the 'education' and 'culture' context breakouts.
>
> To Michael's point, I didnt feel the need to raise a topic for the meeting
> to have value for me; like in a good World Cafe, the invitation to converse
> in depth on a juicy theme with good people was enough. And I learned a lot.
>
> Warmly
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:29 AM Jake Yeager  wrote:
>
>> Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each
>> table?
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jake
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Certainly the Law is being used.
>>>
>>> The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
>>> because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
>>> who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
>>> in advance.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>>>>
>>>> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory
>>>> that underpins it is not. *
>>>>
>>>>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>>>>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
>>>>the group).*
>>>>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>>>>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
>>>> contexts)*
>>>>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
>>>>they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another 
>>>> table
>>>>or “context.”*
>>>>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>>>>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>>>>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be
>>>>continued.*
>>>>- *Discussion"*
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
>>>>> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to
>>>>> offer an experiential introduction to this process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate
>>>>> interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns for 
>>>>> people
>>>>> with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new

Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Jake. This is where the training offered by Nora and colleagues is
likely very helpful.

To access a transcontextual learning experience, the Warm Data Lab is
thoughtfully designed with a range of contexts from which participants
would engage the central theme question.

Learning to develop a wise variety is likely a goal of the training.

There were about 10 contexts in the WDL that I experienced - but i don't
recall them all! As an educator interested in cultures, i spent lots of
time in the 'education' and 'culture' context breakouts.

To Michael's point, I didnt feel the need to raise a topic for the meeting
to have value for me; like in a good World Cafe, the invitation to converse
in depth on a juicy theme with good people was enough. And I learned a lot.

Warmly
Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:29 AM Jake Yeager  wrote:

> Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,
>
> Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each
> table?
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Certainly the Law is being used.
>>
>> The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
>> because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
>> who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
>> in advance.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>>>
>>> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
>>> underpins it is not. *
>>>
>>>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>>>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
>>>the group).*
>>>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>>>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
>>> contexts)*
>>>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
>>>they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another 
>>> table
>>>or “context.”*
>>>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>>>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>>>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
>>>- *Discussion"*
>>>
>>> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
>>>> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer
>>>> an experiential introduction to this process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate
>>>> interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people
>>>> with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new
>>>> societal responses to complex challenges.*
>>>>
>>>> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Robyn Williams
>>>>
>>>> M: 0424 587 262
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Certainly the Law is being used.

The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
in advance.

Jeff

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>
> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
> underpins it is not. *
>
>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the
>group).*
>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
> contexts)*
>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they
>wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or
>“context.”*
>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
>- *Discussion"*
>
> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>
>
> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
>> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer
>> an experiential introduction to this process.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
>> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
>> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
>> responses to complex challenges.*
>>
>> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Robyn Williams
>>
>> M: 0424 587 262
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Robyn. I experienced one WDL and reflected on it with some other OS
practitioners.

One late night attempt to compare designs might be: it's kind of like a
world cafe with a broad theme and breakout tables; but the topics at each
table are prechosen as distinct contexts to inquire into, regarding the
larger theme; there are no designated table or topic hosts; and the OS law
of mobility is in effect, so the small groups shift in size regularly as
people move and converse.

My early OS experiences allowed me to focus on the journey of learning that
I was able to enjoy in the space, because these meetings were not focused
on outcomes for an organization. So we all shared our learnings from our
journeys into the closing circle. I found that the WDL had a similar
quality to this.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:52 PM Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m
> wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an
> experiential introduction to this process.
>
>
>
> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
> responses to complex challenges.*
>
> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Robyn Williams
>
> M: 0424 587 262
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Bulletin Board vs. Marketplace

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Interesting exchange. I put a lot of attention on the spaces where
breakouts will happen, and the entire space of the event where butterflies
and bumblebees will do their thing. Like a "manager" of a village market
with its stalls and gathering spaces getting filled by vendors and visitors.

For me, the negotiations of time and space begin at the bulletin board, but
are enacted ongoingly in the open space. So I'm curious now about the
marketplace being considered as the shaping of the board (the menu) and
maybe less as the enacting of the space (the meal.)

Good learning always.

Jeff

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 6:01 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I am not sure if I got your point and:
>
>- For me the Bulletin Board is where people stick their ideas, and
>also select a time and place.
>- For me the Marketplace contains the Bulletin Board and is also where
>people discuss, start moving around, start discussing whether topics should
>be merged or not, where they start checking out what has been named
>already, etc.
>- So the Marketplace is the container that holds the space for all
>that happens including the Bulletin Board until people decide to go to
>sessions or somewhere else... and then the Marketplace remains open as
>people come and go until...
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 02:31, Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi, All! Hope you and yours are well and coping effectively with the
>> current crisis.
>>
>> I very much enjoyed Barry’s mantra in the opening circle at WOSonOS,
>> “Circle, Breath, Bulletin Board, Marketplace.” It led me to do some reading
>> about OST, and I noticed Bulletin Board and Marketplace broken out as
>> separate elements, but in every Open Space I’ve attended, they’re kind of
>> one thing, since Conveners post their ideas in a time and space
>> immediately. I can see an advantage to the group knowing all the nominated
>> topics prior to starting to schedule them; have others tried this and found
>> this distinction unnecessary or even unhelpful?
>>
>> Thanks, and be well,
>>
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Re: [OSList] Bulletin Board vs. Marketplace

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Marc. For me the marketplace is the marketplace - the spaces where
breakout offerings are taking place and people are moving from spot to
spot. Like we do in a long standing village marketplace.

The bulletin board is the spot where items are posted and spaces/times are
negotiated - so we can find the spots in the marketplace where our favorite
vendors are offering their delights and conundrums.

Curious how others hold this.

Warmly
Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco


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> Hi, All! Hope you and yours are well and coping effectively with the
> current crisis.
>
> I very much enjoyed Barry’s mantra in the opening circle at WOSonOS,
> “Circle, Breath, Bulletin Board, Marketplace.” It led me to do some reading
> about OST, and I noticed Bulletin Board and Marketplace broken out as
> separate elements, but in every Open Space I’ve attended, they’re kind of
> one thing, since Conveners post their ideas in a time and space
> immediately. I can see an advantage to the group knowing all the nominated
> topics prior to starting to schedule them; have others tried this and found
> this distinction unnecessary or even unhelpful?
>
> Thanks, and be well,
>
> Marc
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Re: [OSList] Law of Mobility, reimiagined

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Michael. San Francisco and other Bay cities will stay at home
starting midnight. Except for food, work, medicine.

Best to all together in this "Chaos Strikes" wave riding moment.

Jeff

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 3:05 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> In some countries you dont have a choice. If you are in a group of five
> you get in conflict with the Law. But 4 is ok. But since just the number
> "4" is really bad luck, a terrible omen in some cultures, I would leave
> that constellation and be in groups of maximum 3. And since 1,5 meters
> is the minimum distance to other people this constellation will fit into
> my living room. Once. In the garden we could have about 7 such trios.
> All abiding by the various rules regarding the distance between folks.
> Lots of givens. Lots of control. But dont worry, Selforganisation will
> creep up.
> mmp
>
> PS: For a few days I have now been in a group of 1. And in a few more
> days there will be a general curfew. You can leave your home only for a
> trip to the grocery or a pharmacy or for work. For Berlin this will mean
> that for that half of the population that live in single person
> households (1,7 Million) groups of 1 will be the rule. Not quite
> voluntarily. But it will be a blow to the spread of corona.
>
> cheers
> mmp
> Am 16.03.2020 um 20:07 schrieb Chris Corrigan via OSList:
> > Hi all.  Just published a piece looking at COVID-19 and complexity.
> > <
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/complexity-in-the-time-of-covid-19/>
>
> > One of the heuristics I am using is a reimagination of the Law of
> Mobility:
> >
> > “If you find yourself in a group of four or more people, go somewhere
> > where you aren’t.”
> >
> > Good luck friends.
> >
> >
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 107, Issue 8

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Dear Anne must be holding the space! I had a question, and needed someone
to reflect back, "well, what do you WANT to do?"

Xo
Jeff
San Francisco


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 3:34 PM anne stadler via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Virtual OS experiment:
>
> We’re IN one! Now At the Chaos period of complex self-Organization. As an
> entity in the system, you need to ask what has heart & meaning for you & DO
> IT. Give your support to something already attracting energy (a Strange
> Attractor) and/or initiate a “session”!! Right now. Right where you ARE.
> Love!  ANNE
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:40 PM 
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>>1. A VIRTUAL OPEN SPACE EXPERIMENT (Suzanne Daigle)
>>2. Re: A VIRTUAL OPEN SPACE EXPERIMENT (Barry Owen)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:14:10 -0400
>> From: Suzanne Daigle 
>> To: OSLIST 
>> Cc: Lucas Cioffi , luis@beit.world,  Suzanne
>> Daigle , Barry Owen
>> 
>> Subject: [OSList] A VIRTUAL OPEN SPACE EXPERIMENT
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>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> A huge leap, a bold move. Later today and this week, we are launching the
>> Virtual Agora Gardens as part of the World Happiness Fest activities. It
>> will be a self-organizing conversational space using the combined
>> technologies of QiQo Chat (where you can choose your garden and topic) and
>> Zoom (where you then engage directly in face-to-face conversations on
>> topics of your choice).  A unique feature of this Virtual Agora
>> (gathering)
>> is that people will be hosting each other. No leaders, facilitators or
>> official hosts. Self-organizing like in nature!
>>
>>
>>
>> You can check out the space and concept here;
>> https://worldhappinessfest.qiqochat.com/cafe
>>
>>
>>
>> All are warmly invited to join this experiment, lending your passion and
>> skills as hosts and facilitators, helping us informally open and hold
>> space
>> for others and with others.  It is free and lasts all week. You can drop
>> in
>> anytime and stay as long as you want.
>>
>>
>>
>> As the planning for the World Happiness Fest was underway, there was no
>> way
>> to predict the alarming and unfolding circumstances of the coronavirus.
>> The Global Happiness Event is in its third year and has been increasing
>> exponentially. Over the past weeks and month, the planning team,
>> organizers
>> and world hosts have been adjusting, creating and responding with such
>> sensitivity, generosity and heart.
>>
>>
>>
>> With this latest Virtual Garden initiative, it?s also been a race against
>> the clock. What was intended to be a small Open Space experiment,
>> complementing the many activities (presentations, live events, and more)
>> of
>> the World Happiness Fest is now potentially a place and space that will
>> fill an urgent and important need for many.
>>
>>
>>
>> *A bit more background:*
>>
>>
>>
>> The World Happiness Fest Week (March 16th - 22nd)
>> https://www.happinessfest.world/en/ is launching today from Madrid.  All
>> in-person events and presentations *now *?without audience? will be
>> recorded and live streamed free. Many of the in-person Agoras (gatherings)
>> ? about 80 around the world have been cancelled or scaled down which will
>> certainly shift the attention to virtual. Many of our colleagues in the
>> Open Space community were/are hosting Agoras where they live: in Canada,
>> Nashville, Spain, India and other places.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Lucas Cioffi*, founder of QiQo Chat and a great friend of Open Space, has
>> worked tirelessly to develop this virtual garden concept with input from
>> our friends and colleagues here and there, along the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Luis Gallardo*, Founder and President of Happiness, also an ardent
>> supporter of Open Space, came up with the idea of having a virtual garden
>> setting for this conversational intiative. Luis was at World Open Space in
>> October and he, with core members of his planning team, also attended the
>> Peace and High Performance gathering in New York.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an excerpt of Luis? message to a global community a few days ago
>> as
>> their team continued to plan, adjust and respond to the needs and current
>> happenings.* It is in the spirit of his 

Re: [OSList] Harrison Owen's morning talks at Opening Space for Peace & High Performance 2020

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Beautifully said Jim!

Jeff
San Francisco

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:24 PM Jim Clark via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello to all.
>
> I am taking a quick break from saying “Oh shit,” to send a note of
> gratitude
>
> Many years ago I simplified my life and sent the OSlist emails to a very
> special folder. No it wasn’t the trash, but over the years I checked in on
> that folder and this community more and more infrequently.
>
> Yesterday, this email found its way into my inbox.
>
> I have listened to the first reflection a number of times and have found
> the message very powerful partially because it was given before COVID19 hit
> the west, so it is not advice on how to work through the impact of the
> virus specifically. I received a reminder of how to find peace in the midst
> of chaos, confusion and conflict through a personalized (Owenified) view of
> the grief cycle.
>
> Just wanted to send some love and appreciation for the people who have
> kept this list and the greater OS spirit and community alive in general,
> and for this great share specifically.
>
> With respect and appreciation,
>
> Jimbo Clark
>
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear OSList,
>
> Harrison Owen graced at the Opening Space for Peace & High Performance
> event in NYC this past January at International House before MLK day with
> these talks.
>
> It's some of his best speaking, and an important challenge to think beyond
> what we've been thinking in spreading OST. Hope you take some time to hear
> his words.
>
> https://youtu.be/obLNCc9BnOg
>
> Regards,
> Harold
>
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Re: [OSList] Harrison Owen's morning talks at Opening Space for Peace & High Performance 2020

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Jimbo!

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:17 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Beautifully said Jim!
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:24 PM Jim Clark via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello to all.
>>
>> I am taking a quick break from saying “Oh shit,” to send a note of
>> gratitude
>>
>> Many years ago I simplified my life and sent the OSlist emails to a very
>> special folder. No it wasn’t the trash, but over the years I checked in on
>> that folder and this community more and more infrequently.
>>
>> Yesterday, this email found its way into my inbox.
>>
>> I have listened to the first reflection a number of times and have found
>> the message very powerful partially because it was given before COVID19 hit
>> the west, so it is not advice on how to work through the impact of the
>> virus specifically. I received a reminder of how to find peace in the midst
>> of chaos, confusion and conflict through a personalized (Owenified) view of
>> the grief cycle.
>>
>> Just wanted to send some love and appreciation for the people who have
>> kept this list and the greater OS spirit and community alive in general,
>> and for this great share specifically.
>>
>> With respect and appreciation,
>>
>> Jimbo Clark
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear OSList,
>>
>> Harrison Owen graced at the Opening Space for Peace & High Performance
>> event in NYC this past January at International House before MLK day with
>> these talks.
>>
>> It's some of his best speaking, and an important challenge to think
>> beyond what we've been thinking in spreading OST. Hope you take some time
>> to hear his words.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/obLNCc9BnOg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Harold
>>
>> --
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>> har...@shinsato.com
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>> twitter: @hajush 
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Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Jake. For me, to hold space is to attend to the field that extends
beyond the center of the opening circle out to wherever participants are
moving.

Harrison's famous story is to be sitting at the hotel bar, while
participants are following the law of mobility into breakouts and butterfly
conversations around the grounds. Choosing your level of engagement is at
the core of the law.

It sounds like the feedback is to stay a bit closer to the center of the
opening circle, so that the fact you are holding the field is more
apparent. That's a practice in sensing the field.

I often stay nearby for a while, then move away, then come back as the
energy of the event turns toward closing.

It also can take particular attention to hold space in an organization of
which you are a member. If it seems ok for me to do it at all, I might also
invite an outside cofacilitator who can notice subtle dynamics that i miss.
Such as in the important transition after the OST into the daily work and
dynamics of the organization.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 11:41 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Harrison has described as being “totally invisible but completely
> present.”  I rarely leave the room. But I also never intervene. If asked to
> help I respond with “what would you like to do? Why don’t you take care of
> it?” It’s about radical return of passion and responsibility to the people.
> It is indeed risky. But the reward is immense.
>
> Chris.
>
> _
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>
> On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Many questions these days. Thank you for entertaining them. :)
>
> This past week, I facilitated an eight-hour Open Space split across two
> half-days. The attendees were an Organizational Development team, of which
> I am a member. My AVP sponsored the event, because we had recently merged
> with another group, and there was lack of clarity. So, our theme was: "Who
> are we, and how do we collaborate to drive success?" Also, my AVP--who is a
> leader in Learning & Development--wanted to experience Open Space in order
> to understand it better as it is new to my firm.
>
> Since I am a fledgling facilitator, I chose not to participate in the
> breakout sessions, even though I am part of the group. I wanted to make
> sure that I provided the best experience for everyone, and participating
> would have dampened my focus. I shared this with my manager, after she
> inquired after the first day why I had not participated.
>
> Long story short, after the event, my manager had major concerns how I
> facilitated the event. I had gone for long walks while the group was
> working, and she felt that was very risky. I told her that the
> facilitator's role is to remain "invisible" to allow the group to build its
> capacity for self-management. She said that our firm's culture is very
> hierarchical and that "baby steps" are needed. She suggested even
> intervening in a group if it gets "stuck." I believe I mentioned that
> intervening is not part of Open Space facilitation.
>
> So my question is: how do you "hold space?" I found Chris's description on
> his website: "an Open Space Technology facilitator is neither seen nor
> heard, but his or her presence is 'felt.'" I guess by going for long walks
> and not being in the room, my presence was not "felt." One of my colleagues
> provided feedback that by not being there, it didn't seem like I cared.
> This is definitely not the case. I went on long walks as an act of love,
> not negligence.
>
> Anyway, would love your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> Jake
> 
>
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Re: [OSList] Kansas City Chiefs - Facilitating a 2000 member OS Meeting during the Superbowl?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

We hope it helps them in griefwork ;)

Looking forward to an entertaining game!

Jeff
San Francisco

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 1:51 PM Barry Owen via OSList <
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>
> Looks like the Kansas City Chiefs owners Know a little something about OST
> . . . They invited (and paid for) their entire membership from Janitor to GM
>
> Here's the story
> 
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> self-organize around important issues and opportunities. *
> *Invite - Listen - Love*
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Re: [OSList] Origins of Open Space

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Thanks Harrison and Chris for this! And Rowan and Amy.

Loved Harrison's sharing the three images that appeared from the bottom of
those martinis! Reminds me of the dreams and visions that appeared and
inspired breakthoughs by great scientists and inventors - like Einstein,
Kekule (the benzene ring), and Howe (the sewing machine needle)...

Also Harrison's "mythograph" method of depicting the handful of core
myths/stories that are found to be carrying the spirit of an organization.
A favorite part of his early book Spirit, it seems powerful and
underutilized...

Look forward to finishing the video!

Thanks again.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 7:31 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Chris Corrigan and his good friend Rowan have been engaged in an “Origins”
> project asking the perpetrators how we got there. They cornered me on Open
> Space and I confess I really enjoyed it. Thought you might as well. Go to
> https://vimeo.com/386776216
>
>
>
> Harrison
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Re: [OSList] Please remove luci...@mtmcoach.com from mailing list.

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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 5:06 PM Lucille Maddalena via OSList <
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Re: [OSList] the largest Open Space (Participants)?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Christine had shared these details:
http://www.openspaceworld.org/wp/2006/02/07/girl-scouts-usa-opening-strategic-conversations/

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 8:34 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The Boeing two-site event couldn't have been that big that early, though
> two sites was a good trick in the days before the internet was everywhere.
> I think the 3000 might have been Christine Whitney-Sanchez and the Girl
> Scouts.
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Lise,
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that Paul Gleiberman facilitated an Open Space at Boeing
>> for 3,000 people. It was regarding streamlining the company's supply chain
>> for its aircraft doors. The event was across two different plants and was
>> held in the mid-1990s I believe.
>>
>> Much love,
>> Jake
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:40 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Lise in Copenhagen,
>>>
>>> what do you mean with "the number isn't a big deal"?
>>>
>>> Remembering that OST gatherings work from 0 human participants (there is
>>> one reported, where a dear colleague of mine in a remote German village
>>> in the Black Forest gathered a bunch of dolls, had them take on
>>> different roles, facilitated the event as a sponsor and had a wonderful
>>> time), and up the ladder to 2, 3, 5, 9, 12 ... up to 3000.
>>>
>>> I myself was part of one with 2108 as co-facilitator with HO on May 3,
>>> 2003 in Würzburg, Germany. Thats at least the largest in Europe, I
>>> think. Here more details in the Open Space Worldscape
>>> >
>>> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference
>>>
>>> If you scroll down to the end of that entry, you come to a very detailed
>>> fotoshow with 97 pictures that Erich Kolenaty put together
>>> > https://www.transformation.at/documents/OS_Wuerzburg_minimized.pdf
>>>
>>> Erich, you can see here in the World Map
>>> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/erich-kolenaty
>>> His website talks a lot about Large Group Interventions (even though I
>>> would not call OST a Large Group Intervention since it works beautifully
>>> for any size of group)... here is his great website and believe it or
>>> not its is there in German and English
>>> > https://www.transformation.at/
>>>
>>> Since you asked for the biggest of all I think Peggy Holman facilitated
>>> one with 2100 youngsters in Colombia... here you can see her in the
>>> World Map
>>> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/peggy-holman
>>>
>>> and her website has a grand section on open space
>>> > https://peggyholman.com/openspace/
>>>
>>> and a very detailed and wonderful account on the largest she ever did,
>>> see here
>>> >
>>> https://peggyholman.com/papers/articles/good-work-for-2100-colombian-street-kids/
>>>
>>> and one string of os events throughout the State of Washington with 20
>>> os events, probably altogether more than 2000 folks
>>> > https://peggyholman.com/a-conversation-about-the-arts/
>>>
>>> But I do dimly remember that there was on os event with 3000 people but
>>> maybe thats just a story.
>>>
>>> I wonder why we never had  a WOSonOS with 3000 people. Imagine we were
>>> to invite everyone attached to os, participants, facilitators, sponsors
>>> and met for three days.
>>>
>>> How about Denmark?
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin where I am off to our regular Stammtisch where we
>>> have between 1 and about 20 participants... including great greek food
>>> and beverages... its been going on for 12 years in the same greek pub
>>> that in itself is a veritable open space organisation. But thats another
>>> story
>>>
>>> Cheers and greetings to Copenhagen
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 06.01.2020 um 16:42 schrieb Lise Damkjær via OSList:
>>> > Hi Open Spacer's
>>> >
>>> > Do anyone know of an Open Space with more than 2400 participants?
>>> > the "2400" is a number I remember from a presentation some years ago -
>>> > any higher? or anyone who knows where or who did the 2400-open space?
>>> > I know that the number isn't the big deal - just want to be updated;-)
>>> >
>>> > Lise, Copenhagen
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Re: [OSList] Quite a few questions about Sponsors, empathy and a safe open space for all it’s participants

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Sagit. Now that I re-read my post, it sounds like a lot of work to do
both! It's good practice and more fun to work with others in calling and
hosting an open space meeting. But I know there are situations in which a
person can play both roles without problem.

Jeff
San Francisco


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 10:05 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Sagit. I read your question to be: Must there be a separate person in
> the sponsor role? Different from the facilitator?
>
> And my response is no. One person can fulfill the roles of sponsor and
> facilitator of an open space meeting. One person who has an idea for a
> theme, and a list of people to invite and greet into a circle, can
> facilitate that open space meeting.
>
> It might not happen very often, as typically there will be different
> people playing the two roles, and their relationship and interaction will
> be important.
>
> Do you have interest to both sponsor and facilitate an open space meeting?
> Any concerns about it?
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 7:56 AM Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> during the OST, what makes a difference are decisions about the theme,
>> length of the OST, length of sessions, who gets invited and how, reports or
>> no reports, and whether there is an intention for prioritizing/action post
>> the OST.
>>
>> The biggest reason for good prep with many things to consider is to
>> enable the organization to get the biggest harvest possible out of what was
>> done in the OST.
>>
>> There are varying viewpoints in our discussion forum about prep, givens,
>> debrief, and later on peer with peer accountability meeting. There is a
>> difference in expectation about follow up within an intact organization and
>> whether the work has been done for the intact organization to have the
>> capacity to take advantage of what comes out of the OST. This is less
>> important for a one time conference with the follow up dependent on the
>> individuals. In my many years of working with intact organizations, using
>> OST as one of the processes/tools to accomplish a transformative change, I
>> am a strong advocate for good prep and follow up.
>>
>> The fantastic leaders that I have had the privilege to work with are
>> committed to the transformation, committed to making the most of the OST
>> meetings that they sponsor, and they are in the front line of holding
>> steady with liberating structures to allow a participatory architecture to
>> do its magic.
>>
>> I was telling a story to someone yesterday. An OST meeting about an
>> apparently unsolvable problem. The right prep and follow up. Acton plans.
>> Approval at the government level of the 10 year plan. Plan accomplished in
>> two years.
>>
>> in genuine contact,
>> Birgitt (facilitating and teaching and promoting OST since 1992..with joy)
>>
>>
>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> *Supporting You in Developing Your Leadership*
>> Author,The Genuine Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership
>> 
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>> 
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>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 9:50 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be  a cop out on the questions… but one of the most amazing
>>> things in the 30+ years I have been privileged to explore Open Space is
>>> that common people, dealing with a common issue … while sitting in a
>>> circle, creating a bulletin board and opening a market place – and then
>>> going to work … always seem to get something useful done. And NEVER (in my
>>> experience) has blood been shed. It can get terribly exciting, and I
>>> suspect the facilitator is the most nervous. I have also heard of
>>> innumerable suggestion for good things to do before, during, and after …
>>> but none … to the best of my knowledge have made any difference. This does

Re: [OSList] Quite a few questions about Sponsors, empathy and a safe open space for all it’s participants

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Sagit. I read your question to be: Must there be a separate person in
the sponsor role? Different from the facilitator?

And my response is no. One person can fulfill the roles of sponsor and
facilitator of an open space meeting. One person who has an idea for a
theme, and a list of people to invite and greet into a circle, can
facilitate that open space meeting.

It might not happen very often, as typically there will be different people
playing the two roles, and their relationship and interaction will be
important.

Do you have interest to both sponsor and facilitate an open space meeting?
Any concerns about it?

Jeff
San Francisco



On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 7:56 AM Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> during the OST, what makes a difference are decisions about the theme,
> length of the OST, length of sessions, who gets invited and how, reports or
> no reports, and whether there is an intention for prioritizing/action post
> the OST.
>
> The biggest reason for good prep with many things to consider is to enable
> the organization to get the biggest harvest possible out of what was done
> in the OST.
>
> There are varying viewpoints in our discussion forum about prep, givens,
> debrief, and later on peer with peer accountability meeting. There is a
> difference in expectation about follow up within an intact organization and
> whether the work has been done for the intact organization to have the
> capacity to take advantage of what comes out of the OST. This is less
> important for a one time conference with the follow up dependent on the
> individuals. In my many years of working with intact organizations, using
> OST as one of the processes/tools to accomplish a transformative change, I
> am a strong advocate for good prep and follow up.
>
> The fantastic leaders that I have had the privilege to work with are
> committed to the transformation, committed to making the most of the OST
> meetings that they sponsor, and they are in the front line of holding
> steady with liberating structures to allow a participatory architecture to
> do its magic.
>
> I was telling a story to someone yesterday. An OST meeting about an
> apparently unsolvable problem. The right prep and follow up. Acton plans.
> Approval at the government level of the 10 year plan. Plan accomplished in
> two years.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt (facilitating and teaching and promoting OST since 1992..with joy)
>
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Supporting You in Developing Your Leadership*
> Author,The Genuine Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership
> 
> Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc
> 
> Founder Genuine Contact Program
> . Co-owner Genuine
> Contact Co-owners Group, I nc
>
> *Learn with us for your skill and capacity development for leading and
> working in the new leadership paradigm "Leading So People Will Lead"*
>
> *Mentoring Circles & Mastermind Groups* | December 13, 2019 | Online
> *Achieving Organizational Health & Balance* | February 21 & 28, 2020 |
> Online
> *Strategic Planning the Genuine Contact Way* | March 20, 27 & April 3,
> 2020 | Online
> *Holistic Leadership Development *| April 15-20, 2020 | Waterloo, Canada
> *Whole Person Process Facilitation* | April 24, May 1 & 8, 2020 | Online
> *Genuine Contact Organization/Summer Academy 2020 *| July 3-10, 2020 |
> Waterloo, Canada
>
> >> Learn More & Register
>  for any of these
> workshops here.
>
>
> PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
> Phone: 01-919-522-7750
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 9:50 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> This may be  a cop out on the questions… but one of the most amazing
>> things in the 30+ years I have been privileged to explore Open Space is
>> that common people, dealing with a common issue … while sitting in a
>> circle, creating a bulletin board and opening a market place – and then
>> going to work … always seem to get something useful done. And NEVER (in my
>> experience) has blood been shed. It can get terribly exciting, and I
>> suspect the facilitator is the most nervous. I have also heard of
>> innumerable suggestion for good things to do before, during, and after …
>> but none … to the best of my knowledge have made any difference. This does
>> not mean that people can’t and don’t kill each other, and of course we seem
>> to be on the edge of doing that (killing) more extensively at the moment
>> BUT I have never seen that take place in Open Space. It doesn’t even take
>> place when the participants are sworn and professional killers of each
>> other. Now there’s a mystery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>> Behalf Of * 

Re: [OSList] open space university

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Chris. My mentor and friend Antonio E. Nunez, who brought Harrison to
our graduate school in 1989 for an OS symposium on Spirit in Organizational
Life, has recently been Dean of a college of counseling psychology in New
Mexico. He is a grandfather now based in Miami, and principal of Integral
Consulting Group.

Wish you well

Jeff
San Francisco


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 7:30 AM christopher macrae via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> do you know a university anywhere in the world whose top decision maker
> has appointed an open space facilitator among the 5 people she or he spends
> most time and money with?
>
> for example if even one hong kong or paris university had done this would
> either city have been paralysed by the mass assumption that you have to
> take over the streets for 30 or 180 days to change the system
>
> in new york on monday morning i am talking to the only university
> president i unconditionally admire
> yeah i have been looking for 25 years- in many wrong places - i have
> helped interview 100 in usa all are concerned with profiteering however
> much they increase student debt -sadly the hbuc the most
> LAW OF 2 FEET
> please dont reply to this thread- ie please title a new one- if you dont
> have an answer to my question but want to promote something that you think
> is related to what you sell
>
> may i give you an acid test - in case we translate 2 feet differently -
> the first time i had lunch with HO - he told me a story -sorry (he can of
> course e-edit my old grey cells)
>
> within 12 months of innovation open space in 1984 he had a luncheon with
> some top people responsible for higher education in usa- he explained how
> open space could help students - the commander on chief if us education
> said - if you are right 95% of how we spend student time is wasted - go away
>
> his assistant said no 99& would be wasted - go away
>
> 36 years imprisoning 100% of american youth's scholarhip time in the
> opposite of open space scares me almost as much as the likelihood that
> trump will be re-elected- as atheist of all major ;political parties this
> is not intended as a political analysis just a species survival one
>
> thank you chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk text whatsapp we chat +1 240 316 8157
> - living in the most youth destructive city - washington dc alibrac.com
> 
>
> - i am just a diaspora scot - 5 generations of my family tree have lived
> in over 100 nations other than scotland - i dont get nationalism but that
> is my ignorance
>
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Re: [OSList] Implementation of Initiative Stage

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Very good question. In my experiences with gatherings of volunteers, we
have tried to design a "convergence" phase of the OS meeting. How to
increase the opportunities for people to self-organize into action teams?
Who might continue to work together, motivated by their values and shared
purpose?

Offering a new round of "open space for action" seems to work. Folks will
gather around new topics for action, and talk and make a plan to meet
again.

Some of these new action groups have continued for years, other groups
don't meet again. The outcomes of learning, connecting, motivating, etc are
pretty good outcomes.

Warmly
Jeff

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:59 AM anat kedem  wrote:

> Thanks Jeff for your answer, actually me and Gilad, who raised a similar
> question on face book,  are students of Tova and part of same studying
> teem.
> This challenge, we are dealing with, refers to considerations to take
> while implementing OST with community members or volunteers odience.
> Namely with not a clear managment to sponcer or lead.
> Are there any considerations you would suggest?
>
> Happy new year and all the best!
>
> Anat
>
> ענת קדם 0546236352
>
> בתאריך יום ג׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2019, 20:33, מאת Jeff Aitken ‏<
> r.jeff.ait...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Anat. It's a very good question to consider, every time we use Open
>> Space! The answers will depend on many factors, as each situation is
>> different.
>>
>> Can you say more? Do you have a specific case in mind? A specific concern
>> or opportunity? (Are you part of the group studying with Tova and friends?
>> Another student is asking similar questions on the facebook group.) :)
>>
>> Warmly
>> Jeff
>> San Francisco, California
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 1:40 AM anat kedem via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing:
>>> What practices and Organizational setting helped you during
>>> implementation of initiatives stage, after OST meeting?
>>> How did you keep the energy and enthusiasm? How did you manage the
>>> execution stage?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [OSList] Implementation of Initiative Stage

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Anat. It's a very good question to consider, every time we use Open
Space! The answers will depend on many factors, as each situation is
different.

Can you say more? Do you have a specific case in mind? A specific concern
or opportunity? (Are you part of the group studying with Tova and friends?
Another student is asking similar questions on the facebook group.) :)

Warmly
Jeff
San Francisco, California

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 1:40 AM anat kedem via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks for sharing:
> What practices and Organizational setting helped you during implementation
> of initiatives stage, after OST meeting?
> How did you keep the energy and enthusiasm? How did you manage the
> execution stage?
>
>
>
> --
>
> *ענת קדם Anat Kedem*
>
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>
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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Loving words, and knowing that people write and revise dictionaries, I
tried a few dictionaries online. Here's what the Cambridge Dictionary says:

achieving 
desired 
results , or
achieving 
 the result  of
making a lot of money
:
a successful architect
/doctor
/lawyer

Fortunately, my second attempt
 at starting
 a business
 was more
successful than my first

The Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English Usage says:

1 achieving  what you
wanted, or having the effect 
 or result  you intended
 The operation was
successful. a highly successful (=very successful) meetingsuccessful in
(doing) something Were you successful in persuading him to change his mind?2
 a successful business ,
film , product
 etc makes a lot
 of money The show’s had
a pretty successful run. a highly successful (=very successful) product
I love this one: the top rated Urban Dictionary entry is this!

Being able say you are truly happy having
 something in
life  that just
makes you smile even through the bad
 stuff

That reminds me the most of Open Space!

Jeff



On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:15 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Koos,
>
> That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are
> KEY in human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the
> dictionary.
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> MC
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer  wrote:
>
>> It depends on your definition of success.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to
>> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the
>> statement that we don’t need that.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus
>> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian
>> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t
>> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are
>> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.
>>
>>
>>
>> So it is all a matter of definitions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Koos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
>> Carmel via OSList
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
>> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
>> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact
>> is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>>
>>
>>
>> The definition of success is:
>>
>>  The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action
>> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
>> successful in their life?
>>
>>
>>
>> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given
>> the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health
>> care, safety, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
>> this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
>> OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM 
>> wrote:
>>
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Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

To the Man in the Hat who taught us how to ride the waves! Warm wishes from
San Francisco!

Jeff

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019, 3:20 PM Allie Middleton via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> enjoy this new spin around the sun, Harrison!
>
> May bells ring life and new songs for the expanding circle(s)!
>
> see you in January..? Newell and I are participating in NYC Practice of
> Peace’twas great to see you and E at WOSONOS
>
> *Allie*
>
> *Create it! ...an extra miracle, extra and ordinary: **the unthinkable
> can be embodied in stillness and action!*
>
> On Dec 2, 2019, at 17:29, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Happy birthday Harrison from México thank you for all that you share with
> us!
> Adriana
>
> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 14:26, Marc C. Trudeau via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> a écrit :
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>> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen’s
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Re: [OSList] Facilitating Collaboration: Five Potential Models • Facilitation & Process

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

"Family of fellow faithful followers" - didn't mean to miss the whole
fantastic phrase!

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 10:13 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hey Mark, "Faithful followers!" That's a good one. (Thanks for the link.)
>
> But yeah, we followed HHO into the center of the circle (or we followed
> someone who had followed him, etc, ad infinitum) - and across the open
> space, into what new worlds (or worldviews) await!
>
> Bountiful harvests everyone,
>
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 9:40 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving Harrison, and your family of fellow faithful followers
>> (and of course Ethelyn, and Barry.
>>
>> Here is an interesting take of models to sustain collaboration.  Each one
>> has organization to support implementation ...of course OST Fits into them
>> all like a glove. I hope you find it interesting:
>>
>>
>> http://facilitationprocess.com/facilitating-collaboration-five-potential-models/
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Re: [OSList] Facilitating Collaboration: Five Potential Models • Facilitation & Process

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hey Mark, "Faithful followers!" That's a good one. (Thanks for the link.)

But yeah, we followed HHO into the center of the circle (or we followed
someone who had followed him, etc, ad infinitum) - and across the open
space, into what new worlds (or worldviews) await!

Bountiful harvests everyone,

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 9:40 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving Harrison, and your family of fellow faithful followers
> (and of course Ethelyn, and Barry.
>
> Here is an interesting take of models to sustain collaboration.  Each one
> has organization to support implementation ...of course OST Fits into them
> all like a glove. I hope you find it interesting:
>
>
> http://facilitationprocess.com/facilitating-collaboration-five-potential-models/
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Re: [OSList] Video?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hey Phelim. No expert here, but a link seems wise. Can't wait to see it!

Jeff
Yelamu (San Francisco)


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 10:29 AM Phelim McDermott via OSList <
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> If I send a video in an email to the OSList will people be able to see it?
> Or do I need to upload it to something like Vimeo and send a link?
>
> Asking for a friend?
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Re: [OSList] Urgency criterion?

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Yes. My old teacher called it "readiness" - is the system ready, is the
leadership ready? (Instead of elaborate organizational assessments.) He may
have heard that from Marv Weisbord. I get the feel of a buildup of energy
such that the time is ripe.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 5:19 PM David Osborne via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Building on Barry’s point, is it a felt sense of urgency, where people in
> the system have a felt sense they need to do something / take action.
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> My 1st thought: Don't confuse "Important" with "urgent". I feel that
> Urgency is often vague  . . . So I tend to focus more on "need for
> resolution" - often one person's urgency deflects focus from determining
> the real issue.
>
> This message has been sent from my mobile device and therefore may be
> somewhat wonky.
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> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:32 AM Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> In your experience, how critical is the urgency criterion for having a
>> successful OST event? If there is significant passion around the issue, but
>> it is not very urgent, will an OST event still be successful?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> All the best,
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Re: [OSList] about Law of Two Feet

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

The nap!

Yes because HHO when holding space is the ultimate butterfly - and sitting
in the hotel bar sharing stories, and later walking to the site of Evening
News to ring the tingsha bells for everyone to gather.

Appreciation as always for the minimalist practice, holding space for
emergent grace.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco


On Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 9:10 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> That's perfect. thanks.
> On 9/27/2019 8:04 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
>
> Of a breakout session? I often like to say that "taking responsibility"
> includes showing up to start the session, and seeing to it that a notetaker
> gets started. The Law applies after that (convenors might become
> butterflies or bumblebees)
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco CA
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 3:51 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, how does the law of two feet apply to the host convenor?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Nym5stAJAt8
>>
>> Thanks for creating our tomorrows,
>> Tony Budak
>> On 9/27/2019 6:35 AM, Artur Silva via OSList wrote:
>>
>> "Go with your feet", could very well be one of the laws rephrased, dear
>> Harrison   ;-)
>>
>> Artur
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 09:28:20 PM GMT+1, Harrison Owen via
>> OSList  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Turns out Feet beat Brains almost every time. Thinking about something is
>> definitely worth while. BUT. Moving the feet is a sure sign of action.
>> Anything else is "just thinking about it." I always go with the feet! Seuss
>> was a great pundit! And even he understood that nothing has really happened
>> until you take a step in a new direction.
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC via OSList
>>  
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>  
>> Cc: Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC 
>> 
>> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 3:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] about Law of Two Feet
>>
>> Just for grins and possible future use regarding the Open Space law of
>> two feet, here’s a quote:
>> *“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can
>> steer yourself any direction you choose.” ― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places
>> You'll Go!*
>>
>> 
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robin
>>
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>> *To:* OS list 
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>> *Cc:* Birgitt Williams 
>> 
>> *Subject:* [OSList] about Law of Two Feet
>>
>> Dear friends and colleagues,
>> I am getting ready to publish our company newsletter today in which I
>> will be referencing the Working with OST workshop coming up just before
>> WOSONOS and facilitated by Anna Caroline Turk and Thomas Herrmann.
>>
>> Today, my blog <https://www.dalarinternational.com/law-of-two-feet/>
>> that I am referencing and wanted you to know about is a brief bit about the
>> Law of Two Feet.
>>
>> in genuine contact,
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Re: [OSList] about Law of Two Feet

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Of a breakout session? I often like to say that "taking responsibility"
includes showing up to start the session, and seeing to it that a notetaker
gets started. The Law applies after that (convenors might become
butterflies or bumblebees)

Jeff
San Francisco CA

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 3:51 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hmm, how does the law of two feet apply to the host convenor?
>
> https://youtu.be/Nym5stAJAt8
>
> Thanks for creating our tomorrows,
> Tony Budak
> On 9/27/2019 6:35 AM, Artur Silva via OSList wrote:
>
> "Go with your feet", could very well be one of the laws rephrased, dear
> Harrison   ;-)
>
> Artur
>
> --
>
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 09:28:20 PM GMT+1, Harrison Owen via
> OSList  
> wrote:
>
>
> Turns out Feet beat Brains almost every time. Thinking about something is
> definitely worth while. BUT. Moving the feet is a sure sign of action.
> Anything else is "just thinking about it." I always go with the feet! Seuss
> was a great pundit! And even he understood that nothing has really happened
> until you take a step in a new direction.
>
> ho
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC via OSList
>  
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>  
> Cc: Robin Muretisch, Facilitative Insights, LLC 
> 
> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 3:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] about Law of Two Feet
>
> Just for grins and possible future use regarding the Open Space law of two
> feet, here’s a quote:
> *“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer
> yourself any direction you choose.” ― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places You'll Go!*
>
> 
>
> Regards,
> Robin
>
> Robin D. H. Muretisch, CPF, MBA, CPA
> IAF Certified™ Professional Facilitator
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> 
> 
>
> *From:* OSList 
>  *On Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:35 AM
> *To:* OS list 
> 
> *Cc:* Birgitt Williams 
> 
> *Subject:* [OSList] about Law of Two Feet
>
> Dear friends and colleagues,
> I am getting ready to publish our company newsletter today in which I will
> be referencing the Working with OST workshop coming up just before WOSONOS
> and facilitated by Anna Caroline Turk and Thomas Herrmann.
>
> Today, my blog  that
> I am referencing and wanted you to know about is a brief bit about the Law
> of Two Feet.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Supporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will Lead"*
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 101, Issue 5

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Yes. Chris C once said that people become like Taoist masters - using the
law to flow in and out along the spectrum of engagement, wrestling with
conflict on contentious issues, or hanging by the coffee table talking
hockey...

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 9:28 PM Bhavesh Patel  wrote:

> Over the years I have seen people go for a smoke, go to church, go to the
> beach, play frisbee - and most of the time they have come back and weaved
> in their conversations and sometimes they have turned out to be the most
> useful and energising for them and the rest of the group!!!...
>
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 00:43, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Once I said "the law of two skis." We were 380 people in the ballroom of
>> a mountain resort on a sunny morning of a professional association
>> conference.
>>
>> The big view window showed us the hills glistening with fresh snow. By my
>> calculation 250 people used that law to be butterflies on the slopes, and
>> the rest had breakout sessions in the ballroom for the day. Oh well.
>> Everyone had a great time.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 7:34 AM Brendan McKeague via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Bhavesh, I usually refer to the  ‘Law of Mobility (I often don’t know in
>>> advance if any participants will be in wheelchairs), also known as the Law
>>> of Two Feet’and if you find yourself in a place where you are neither
>>> giving or receiving, contributing or learningthen take yourself to
>>> where you’d rather be...
>>>
>>> I’ve also needed to acknowledge ‘the Law of Four Hooves’ .yep, on
>>> one occasion a horse walked right into the middle of the space!
>>>
>>> Whatever comes
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Brendan
>>>
>>> Brendan McKeague
>>> +61 429 448 090
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2019, at 9:53 pm, Barry Owen via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bhavesh - I'm just playing with words and thought about a discreet bow
>>> to "Right place"
>>>
>>> The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a place where you are not
>>> contributing or learning, then you can always choose to go to another place
>>> more useful for you...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:20 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Might be running something next month for a number of people who will
>>>> be in wheelchairs... so playing with...
>>>>
>>>> The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a situation which you are
>>>> not contributing to or learning from, then you can always choose to go to
>>>> another place more useful for you...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 18:18, anne stadler via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oops. Left out a word in my earlier statement. This is what I really
>>>>> mean:
>>>>> Stand up for, and move to wherever you can act on what you love & care
>>>>> about. If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet to 
>>>>> move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:00 PM anne stadler 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Law of Two feet:
>>>>>> Stand up and move to wherever you can act on what you love & care
>>>>>> about.  If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet to
>>>>>> move on.
>>>>>>
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 101, Issue 5

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Once I said "the law of two skis." We were 380 people in the ballroom of a
mountain resort on a sunny morning of a professional association
conference.

The big view window showed us the hills glistening with fresh snow. By my
calculation 250 people used that law to be butterflies on the slopes, and
the rest had breakout sessions in the ballroom for the day. Oh well.
Everyone had a great time.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco


On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 7:34 AM Brendan McKeague via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Bhavesh, I usually refer to the  ‘Law of Mobility (I often don’t know in
> advance if any participants will be in wheelchairs), also known as the Law
> of Two Feet’and if you find yourself in a place where you are neither
> giving or receiving, contributing or learningthen take yourself to
> where you’d rather be...
>
> I’ve also needed to acknowledge ‘the Law of Four Hooves’ .yep, on one
> occasion a horse walked right into the middle of the space!
>
> Whatever comes
>
> Cheers
> Brendan
>
> Brendan McKeague
> +61 429 448 090
>
> On 15 Sep 2019, at 9:53 pm, Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Bhavesh - I'm just playing with words and thought about a discreet bow to
> "Right place"
>
> The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a place where you are not
> contributing or learning, then you can always choose to go to another place
> more useful for you...
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:20 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Might be running something next month for a number of people who will be
>> in wheelchairs... so playing with...
>>
>> The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a situation which you are
>> not contributing to or learning from, then you can always choose to go to
>> another place more useful for you...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 18:18, anne stadler via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Oops. Left out a word in my earlier statement. This is what I really
>>> mean:
>>> Stand up for, and move to wherever you can act on what you love & care
>>> about. If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet to move
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:00 PM anne stadler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Law of Two feet:
 Stand up and move to wherever you can act on what you love & care
 about.  If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet to
 move on.

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> Turns out Feet beat Brains almost every time. Thinking about something
> is definitely worth while. BUT. Moving the feet is a sure sign of action.
> Anything else is "just thinking about it." I always go with the feet! 
> Seuss
> was a great pundit! And even he understood that nothing has really 
> happened
> until you take a step in a new direction.
> ho
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Re: [OSList] WOSONOS

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Congratulations! Health and happiness to all.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:18 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> two that I know of... and then their are 4 other children and (soon to be)
> seven grandchildren. All of which (to the best of my knowledge) think that
> most of what I've done (didn't do) is pretty weird. So the likelihood of a
> following herd is about Zilch. Which is wonderful.
>
> ho
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Aitken via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Jeff Aitken 
> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 1:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] WOSONOS
>
> Hmm. Does Barry have children? Will any of them continue the OS royal
> lineage? :)
>
> Glad to know you'll be there for an evening Harrison, and that Barry is
> Opening.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:48 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> WOSONOS is coming to Washington, as doubtless you know. It is sort of a
> “return to the beginning.” The site of the original, Day’s Inn at Dulles,
> has gone upscale and thus prohibitively expensive, but Suzanne Daigle found
> what she thinks is a great place and I’m sure it is. Sounds like folks are
> coming from all over and it should be GREAT as usual. I expect to be there,
> but for the first night only, to join in what I understand to be a little
> story telling. That will probably be the extent of my presence. There does
> come a time in life when the available energy is not equal to the
> opportunities – And WOSONOS is a wonderful, super high energy opportunity.
> At least it always has been, and unless the magical wonder of self
> organization has somehow been shut off (along with gravity and the Sun)
> history will repeat. And there will be an Owen. I understand that Barry, my
> son, has been asked to Open Space. You will love him. I do. And NO, this is
> not the continuation of a Dynasty. It remains true that anybody can do it
> given a good head and good heart. Have at it Friends, and I may be able to
> Zoom in on occasion.
>
> Harrison
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Re: [OSList] 30 year celebration!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

I'll clarify too: Harrison told me that as a storyteller he has filled his
palette with influences from around the world - but OS emerged from the two
martinis of course!

Not until afterward, in trying to understand this wonderous creation OS,
are the influences of some specific stories able to be made more clear.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 7:37 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Just to complete that thought, the MA program has a companion online PhD
> in Transformative Inquiry (shameless plug again) - and those students also
> join the OS during their week long residential retreat.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 7:24 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael: We enjoyed twice yearly OS retreats in the MA program for 7
>> years while I worked there, and then I brought it into my small PhD program
>> in cultural recovery and wrote a dissertation with OS as my research "muse".
>>
>> Angeles Arrien taught at CIIS, and her wisdom on the OS "four principles
>> of detachment" (from her book The Four-Fold Way) was a key in my research.
>> Along with Harrison's palette of Hebrew stories and Kpelle ceremony and
>> Tibetan bardo teachings in his painting of OS.
>>
>> But it hasn't been a constant feature in the larger university. In 2010
>> and 2011 I cohosted the faculty-staff opening retreat in OS with Heidi
>> Nobantu Saul. This year was the first that we returned to OS for our day of
>> re-gathering before the school year.
>>
>> The MA in Leadership has offered OS in several of their one-week
>> residential student retreats each semester.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 2:08 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jeff,
>>>
>>> congratulations!
>>> This appears to me to be an example of the sustained impact open space
>>> can have in groups, organizations and systems.
>>>
>>> Of course, I am curious how your life changed back in 1989 and also how
>>> the perpetual use changed the programme or the institution...
>>>
>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>> mmp
>>>
>>> Am 23.08.2019 um 09:49 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
>>> > Harrison came to my grad school in 1989 to offer two days of open
>>> space
>>> > on 'spirit in organizations'. It helped kick off our new MA in
>>> > 'organizational development and transformation', co-led by the awesome
>>> > duo Antonio Nunez and Howard Schechter.
>>> >
>>> > Changed my life... That program morphed into an online MA in
>>> Leadership
>>> > btw (shameless plug.)
>>> >
>>> > I'm happy to report that the 30th anniversary of Open Space at CIIS in
>>> > San Francisco was celebrated with a Faculty-Staff gathering using open
>>> > space to start the new school year. A deep, resonant, and creative
>>> time
>>> > was had, of course!
>>> >
>>> > Onward with blessings
>>> > Jeff
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [OSList] 30 year celebration!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Just to complete that thought, the MA program has a companion online PhD in
Transformative Inquiry (shameless plug again) - and those students also
join the OS during their week long residential retreat.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 7:24 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Michael: We enjoyed twice yearly OS retreats in the MA program for 7
> years while I worked there, and then I brought it into my small PhD program
> in cultural recovery and wrote a dissertation with OS as my research "muse".
>
> Angeles Arrien taught at CIIS, and her wisdom on the OS "four principles
> of detachment" (from her book The Four-Fold Way) was a key in my research.
> Along with Harrison's palette of Hebrew stories and Kpelle ceremony and
> Tibetan bardo teachings in his painting of OS.
>
> But it hasn't been a constant feature in the larger university. In 2010
> and 2011 I cohosted the faculty-staff opening retreat in OS with Heidi
> Nobantu Saul. This year was the first that we returned to OS for our day of
> re-gathering before the school year.
>
> The MA in Leadership has offered OS in several of their one-week
> residential student retreats each semester.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 2:08 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> congratulations!
>> This appears to me to be an example of the sustained impact open space
>> can have in groups, organizations and systems.
>>
>> Of course, I am curious how your life changed back in 1989 and also how
>> the perpetual use changed the programme or the institution...
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 23.08.2019 um 09:49 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
>> > Harrison came to my grad school in 1989 to offer two days of open space
>> > on 'spirit in organizations'. It helped kick off our new MA in
>> > 'organizational development and transformation', co-led by the awesome
>> > duo Antonio Nunez and Howard Schechter.
>> >
>> > Changed my life... That program morphed into an online MA in Leadership
>> > btw (shameless plug.)
>> >
>> > I'm happy to report that the 30th anniversary of Open Space at CIIS in
>> > San Francisco was celebrated with a Faculty-Staff gathering using open
>> > space to start the new school year. A deep, resonant, and creative time
>> > was had, of course!
>> >
>> > Onward with blessings
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> ++49 - 30-772 8000
>> mmpannw...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 487 resident Open
>> Space Workers in 76 countries working in a total of 142 countries
>> worldwide
>> www.openspaceworldmap.org
>>
>> At my publisher you find books and task cards on open space, most in
>> German, some in English, some as ebooks, some multilingual
>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
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Re: [OSList] 30 year celebration!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Michael: We enjoyed twice yearly OS retreats in the MA program for 7
years while I worked there, and then I brought it into my small PhD program
in cultural recovery and wrote a dissertation with OS as my research "muse".

Angeles Arrien taught at CIIS, and her wisdom on the OS "four principles of
detachment" (from her book The Four-Fold Way) was a key in my research.
Along with Harrison's palette of Hebrew stories and Kpelle ceremony and
Tibetan bardo teachings in his painting of OS.

But it hasn't been a constant feature in the larger university. In 2010 and
2011 I cohosted the faculty-staff opening retreat in OS with Heidi Nobantu
Saul. This year was the first that we returned to OS for our day of
re-gathering before the school year.

The MA in Leadership has offered OS in several of their one-week
residential student retreats each semester.

Jeff


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 2:08 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Jeff,
>
> congratulations!
> This appears to me to be an example of the sustained impact open space
> can have in groups, organizations and systems.
>
> Of course, I am curious how your life changed back in 1989 and also how
> the perpetual use changed the programme or the institution...
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> Am 23.08.2019 um 09:49 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:
> > Harrison came to my grad school in 1989 to offer two days of open space
> > on 'spirit in organizations'. It helped kick off our new MA in
> > 'organizational development and transformation', co-led by the awesome
> > duo Antonio Nunez and Howard Schechter.
> >
> > Changed my life... That program morphed into an online MA in Leadership
> > btw (shameless plug.)
> >
> > I'm happy to report that the 30th anniversary of Open Space at CIIS in
> > San Francisco was celebrated with a Faculty-Staff gathering using open
> > space to start the new school year. A deep, resonant, and creative time
> > was had, of course!
> >
> > Onward with blessings
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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> Space Workers in 76 countries working in a total of 142 countries worldwide
> www.openspaceworldmap.org
>
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[OSList] 30 year celebration!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Harrison came to my grad school in 1989 to offer two days of open space on
'spirit in organizations'. It helped kick off our new MA in 'organizational
development and transformation', co-led by the awesome duo Antonio Nunez
and Howard Schechter.

Changed my life... That program morphed into an online MA in Leadership btw
(shameless plug.)

I'm happy to report that the 30th anniversary of Open Space at CIIS in San
Francisco was celebrated with a Faculty-Staff gathering using open space to
start the new school year. A deep, resonant, and creative time was had, of
course!

Onward with blessings
Jeff
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Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi all.

I like that Genuine Contact and OS Agility both have certifications
(perhaps named in other ways.)

They are (to me) skilled approaches to utilize OST (and other things) in
systematic org change endeavors. Not simply how to do an OST. But they do
teach how-to along the way.

I have also read interesting perspectives about the documentation or
copyright or some other rights regarding OST in the digital age. Maybe
someone can say more about what may be needed and why.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco




On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:55 AM paul levy via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> It only takes three minutes to learn OST and that includes a tea break.
>
> Warm wishes
>
> Paul Levy
> Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 18:23 Amanda Bucklow via OSList, <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Harrison,
>>
>> I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation -
>> it means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind
>> and in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very
>> disheartened if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process
>> and like the process of baking bread it has essential ingredients (people,
>> commitment and good will) and many recipes (their contributions).
>>
>> I hope you are in your summer palace! Maine if I recall. Feasting on
>> lobsters perhaps?
>>
>> my very good wishes to you...
>> Amanda
>>
>> On 2 Aug 2019, at 15:36, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I must say that every  time I hear talk about “certification” I do have
>> to smile. My immediate association is with locked facilities and men in
>> white coats. Years ago it became very clear to me that any sort of
>> Certification/accreditation didn’t make much sense. OST is free. Always has
>> been. I particularly loved Chris’s story about Open Space in the prison.
>> Truly, anybody can do it, and I hope they do. It  is just like breathing…
>> and equally essential for life, I think.
>>
>> ho
>>
>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Amanda Bucklow
>> via OSList
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM
>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Cc:* Amanda Bucklow
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
>> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
>> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
>> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>>
>> Dear Marai
>>
>> I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited
>> as follows:
>>
>> Certified would be
>> 1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the
>> UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need
>> to be ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered
>> Accountant which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and
>> 2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action
>> the outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to
>> practice, and therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or
>> restricted in some way.
>>
>> Accredited would be
>> 1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to
>> train but not independently verified as competent to do so
>> 2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the
>> perceptions of the market as to quality, and
>> 3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership
>> body, for example.
>>
>> The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’
>> and to rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment
>> supported by more thorough research or recommendation.
>>
>> I do hope that is not too much information :-)
>>
>> kind regards
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>> On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Amanda,
>>
>> Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a
>> certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation?
>>
>> I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British
>> colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are
>> saying).
>>
>> So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use
>> „certified“ for that very situation. True?
>> (by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking).
>>
>> And I like your quote with your three distinctions.
>>
>> Marai
>>
>> Join the next Global Oasis for Emerging Leaders on August 26!
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Dear Mark
>>
>> For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified
>> insane’. The rest is 

Re: [OSList] ANYONE who wants to be, has been, or IS an OST Professional Facilitator MUST watch Ray Dalio on 60 Minutes tonight!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Just found this - if it's visible in your area. I didn't see the original
post tho.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ray-dalio-capitalism-needs-reform-wealth-inequality-is-a-national-emergency-60-minutes-2019-07-28/



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 6:13 PM Alan Stewart via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> G’day Mark
>
> Any possibility of having a recording done to make available to OSTNiks in
> far flung parts?
>
> Looking forward.
>
> Al (formerly Alan) Stewart
>
> Adelaide
>
> Blog: www.conversare.net
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2005 Nova Scotia - do you remember

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

That (first or second) Day's Inn osonos was late '94. It was after the
November US election when Newt G became Speaker of the House (he was on TV
at the hotel.) Funny how memory works.

Jeff
San Francisco

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 1:10 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi, the archives don't seem to go back that far. Were we on the MetaNet
> back then? Then the oslist was born in mid 90s when we needed a listserv
> instead of a website based conversation?
>
> I remember the first or second Day's Inn gathering.
>
> Was a nice complement to the OT "Symposium on Organization Transformation"
> taking place each July in different locations. The 9th US OT was in
> Colorado '91 and the 12th US OT was in Napa California '94 - and that's the
> limit of my memory :)
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 10:02 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The questions of when, how many and where have persisted over the years.
>> Frankly I can't remember either. Even the first one is foggy in terms of
>> year -- but I know where... Day's Inn at Dulles Airport. Suggestion is that
>> you use the search function on OSLIST. Somewhere "back there" I am sure you
>> will find the collective ruminations.
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marai Kiele via OSList 
>> To: ost list international 
>> Cc: Marai Kiele 
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2019 7:07 am
>> Subject: [OSList] WOSonOS 2005 Nova Scotia - do you remember
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I am writing a short story about my experience at WOSonOS 2005 in Nova
>> Scotia. This will likely be published as a contribution to a short stories
>> book.
>>
>> It was my first and life-changing experience with collective sense making
>> (the way the location for the next WOSonOS was chosen, or rather: how it
>> became obvious to the group).
>>
>> I have the session reports from back then, but what I am missing are
>> numbers like:
>>
>> - How many participants were we?
>> - From approximately how many countries?
>>
>> And then the questions that probably have been asked many times before.
>> Yet I still couldn’t find the „right“ answer:
>>
>> - Since when does WOSonOS exist?
>> - In which locations / or in how many locations has it taken place up
>> to this year?
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance!
>> Marai
>>
>> https://about.me/maraikiele
>>
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2005 Nova Scotia - do you remember

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi, the archives don't seem to go back that far. Were we on the MetaNet
back then? Then the oslist was born in mid 90s when we needed a listserv
instead of a website based conversation?

I remember the first or second Day's Inn gathering.

Was a nice complement to the OT "Symposium on Organization Transformation"
taking place each July in different locations. The 9th US OT was in
Colorado '91 and the 12th US OT was in Napa California '94 - and that's the
limit of my memory :)

Jeff
San Francisco

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 10:02 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The questions of when, how many and where have persisted over the years.
> Frankly I can't remember either. Even the first one is foggy in terms of
> year -- but I know where... Day's Inn at Dulles Airport. Suggestion is that
> you use the search function on OSLIST. Somewhere "back there" I am sure you
> will find the collective ruminations.
>
> Harrison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marai Kiele via OSList 
> To: ost list international 
> Cc: Marai Kiele 
> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2019 7:07 am
> Subject: [OSList] WOSonOS 2005 Nova Scotia - do you remember
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I am writing a short story about my experience at WOSonOS 2005 in Nova
> Scotia. This will likely be published as a contribution to a short stories
> book.
>
> It was my first and life-changing experience with collective sense making
> (the way the location for the next WOSonOS was chosen, or rather: how it
> became obvious to the group).
>
> I have the session reports from back then, but what I am missing are
> numbers like:
>
> - How many participants were we?
> - From approximately how many countries?
>
> And then the questions that probably have been asked many times before.
> Yet I still couldn’t find the „right“ answer:
>
> - Since when does WOSonOS exist?
> - In which locations / or in how many locations has it taken place up
> to this year?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> Marai
>
> https://about.me/maraikiele
>
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Re: [OSList] Fwd: Re: number of breakout groups

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

"Be prepared to be surprised" may not be as widely shared as the other
famous OST phrases - but it sure helps facilitators as well as
participants!

Jeff
San Francisco


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 9:37 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Christian,
>
> yes, it depends on many factors. You identified a number of them.
> For those really interested in this aspect and passionate about
> developing a tool, have a look at the list so far:
>
> 1--- number of participants
> 2--- length of event
> 3--- number of "planned" opportunities (evening announcements, morning news
> 4--- degree of urgency (decision time of yesterday)
> 5--- degree of complexity of the challenge
> 6--- degree of confusion (degree of unknowing in regard to answers)
> 7--- level of potential conflict
> 8--- level of diversity among the participants
> 9--- age of  participants
> 10-- productive framework (daylight, fresh and healthy food, fresh air,
> a wonderful view into the surroundings, participants staying on-site
> during the entire event... )
> ---
> ---
> ---
> Some of these parameters can be arrived at in the registration process
> (1, 8, 9)
> Some are part of the design and overall site planning (2, 3, 10)
> Some are part of the planning process (going through the prerequisites
> for an OST event in the contact meeting with the sponsor... such as 4,
> 5, 6, 7, 8).
>
> I know how to do a graph with 2 parameters... but there must be ways
> with more parameters. A computer program, an algorithm. This might be
> something an agile-ost-worker could work out.
>
> A few times I have also seen participants that would not post issues and
> would not go to breakout session but just hung around and did the
> butterfly. Dont we think that, systemically speaking, butterflies are
> important "centers of inactivity" providing spaces for the unexpected.
> Ok, how would that fit into a "formula"?
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 06.06.2019 um 12:02 schrieb Dr. Christian Kemper:
> > Am 06.06.19 um 01:10 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz via OSList:
> >
> >> I wonder what additional parameters other than than number of
> >> participants and length of the event would have to be considered for a
> >> more reliable tool to predict the number of issues to be expected at
> >> an OST event.
> >
> > Hihi, Michael:-)
> >
> > As far as I experienced there is no rule or reliable answer to this
> > question - it depends on so many factors (e.g. how urgent is the os, how
> > complex the question, how unknown the answer, how conflictual the
> > problem, how diverse the group and so on).
> >
> > But one thing I was able to see so often is that the younger the people
> > are the more issues they raise. In open spaces with children there are
> > sometimes as many issues as people participate, the maximum I saw was
> > 1.3 issues per person (in a 1.5 day os with around 100 people).
> >
> > I also remember one girl who raised eleven issues in a three-day open
> > space with six starting times.
> >
> > And i remember the boy, who negotiated his issue in the same open space
> > over the whole time, again and again and supplemented and expanded it
> > and finally probably negotiated with all 250 people right up to the
> > action planning. It was: "Cocoa instead of milk in the breaks". At the
> > next meeting he reported and justified with a broad chest and proudly
> > that it was not implemented after he had gone through all school
> > instances (and democracy learned from it).
> >
> > Sunny greetings to all of you!
> >
> > Christian
> >
>
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