Re: [OSList] Space invaders and using your two feet

[paul levy via OSList]

That's beautiful, Michael, and I can go with it

Yet, mysteriously for me, in my deeper experience of my life, even the law
of gravity feels like a kind of invitation, one which I occasionally refuse.

Paul

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 04:11 Michael Herman via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> for me, it actually is a kind of law:  "you and only you know when you are
> learning and contributing as much as you can."
>
> a law, as chris corrigan taught me to say, "...that's not like a speed
> limit, but more like the law of gravity.  defy it at your own risk!"
>
> having pointed this out in an opening circle, i then suggest that everyone
> in circle has the same job, the right AND the responsibility, to use their
> two feet and/or whatever else they use to get around, to go wherever they
> need to, to maximize their own learning and contribution.
>
> in the end we don't care if they move... what we want is highest learning
> and highest contribution.
>
> for me, in open space, personal passion/freedom is always bounded/informed
> by responsibility/contribution to the whole.
>
> i think our pulsation between these apparent opposites, passion and
> responsibility, learning and contributing, me and us, past and future, and
> so on... is what drives it all.  we can't get stuck.  we have to keep
> moving.  each of us, for all of us.
>
> learning and practicing this kind of pulsation, between apparent
> opposites, is for me the most important thing we invite in open space.
> it's in the going back and forth that strengthens us.
>
> michael
>
>
> --
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:49 PM paul levy via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I haven't called it a law in years.
>>
>> That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer
>>> emails and share stories.
>>>
>>> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
>>> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
>>> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and
>>> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time
>>> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
>>> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
>>> eco-self-organsation!
>>>
>>> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely
>>> encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a
>>> former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop
>>> putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full
>>> analysis of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him
>>> that was great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he
>>> held on to the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all
>>> needed to listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us
>>> holding the mic, until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do
>>> his job, he backed off, and guess what, not many came to his session, and...
>>>
>>> I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on
>>> reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly
>>> believe the power is in their hands to post topics!
>>>
>>> I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is
>>> clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use
>>> their two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is
>>> there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was
>>> reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 12:41, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Bhavesh,
>>>>
>>>> The Law of Two Feet (this is, of course, no Law but tongue of cheeck
>>>> speak of the Man with the Hat) has not felt to me as a reminder to be
>>>> responsible for where I want to be.
>>>&g

Re: [OSList] Space invaders and using your two feet

[paul levy via OSList]

I haven't called it a law in years.

That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation.

Paul

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer emails
> and share stories.
>
> The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well,
> using almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom
> to take responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and
> where that is going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time
> never fully knowing and always responding to all that is happening within,
> between, and among... self-organisation, or as Morin says
> eco-self-organsation!
>
> I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely
> encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a
> former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop
> putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full
> analysis of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him
> that was great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he
> held on to the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all
> needed to listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us
> holding the mic, until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do
> his job, he backed off, and guess what, not many came to his session, and...
>
> I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on
> reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly
> believe the power is in their hands to post topics!
>
> I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is
> clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use
> their two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is
> there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was
> reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 12:41, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Bhavesh,
>>
>> The Law of Two Feet (this is, of course, no Law but tongue of cheeck
>> speak of the Man with the Hat) has not felt to me as a reminder to be
>> responsible for where I want to be.
>> In my intro to the process I say in the role of facilitator: "And here",
>> pointing to the large poster on the wall of the space or on a large
>> pinboard on the edge of the outer circle or floating above the crowd of
>> 2108 supported by large balloons, have a look here
>> >
>> https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference
>>
>> "is the Law of Two Feet which has to be utterly adhered to as it is a LAW:
>> I honor a group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute
>> something. If I am learning something I stay, if I am contributindg
>> something I also stay.
>> But if neither, then I'll do the group and especially myself the favor
>> of taking my feet... ", and here I imitate the Man by looking at my feet
>> for 3 seconds lift them and run a short distance in front of the
>> assembled crowd... continuing:"... and move to a space which is more
>> productive for me... or to take a nap." (At this point folks usually
>> laugh out loud, incited by my awkward running style)
>>
>> Now all this has nothing to do with taking responsibility for where I
>> want to be. I am focusing on this because I as facilitator am not in any
>> way responsible for what anyone does, under the assumption that everyone
>> is naturally "responsible"... and I adress it in the systemic context we
>> are in when in an os event, and that it is selforganisation all the time.
>>
>> Regarding space invaders -  which I rarely have encountered probably
>> because I am such an awsome event myself, especially when totally
>> present and at the same time invisible - I do intervene.
>>
>> My first intervention is to do nothing and wait (at this point I
>> understand why I am being paid for this job). If the crowd is kind of
>> struck and silent, also waiting, I still wait. Usually, this
>> intervention does get addressed by a participant, which causes another
>> participant to react... and results in a short exchange in which usually
>> someone then gets the space invader to see that the group does not oust
>> him.
>>
>> If no participant intervenes and I have counted to 10, I ask: "Who else
>> feels like Charlie?" This always works, one or several other
>> participants will say something. The main advantage of participants
>> participating in this is that the space invader immidiately sees that
>> he/she is still part of the group, not an outsider.
>>
>> Another observation I have made is that some space invasions are
>> aggressive while others are 

Re: [OSList] What could dialogue look like between people of Russia and people of the West?

[paul levy via OSList]

Wonderful thought, Lucas.

I think the leading thought of Marvin Weisbord comes in here as a possible
invitational thought: Discovering Common Ground.

Warm wishes,

Paul

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022, 17:35 Lucas Cioffi via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear OSLIST,
>
>
> Does anyone want to try opening up some dialogue channels between the
> people of Russia and the people of the West?  It's way too late to affect
> the current situation in Ukraine, but dialogue could be helpful for the
> long term.
>
>
> I believe that if the people speak with each other directly
> and (eventually) on a large enough scale, then there is a strong chance for
> understanding to be built, less us-vs.-them thinking, and that would give
> political leaders flexibility to choose options other than war to solve big
> problems.
>
>
> It doesn't look like many are doing anything like this yet.  With a quick
> Google search I could only find the Carnegie Moscow Center
> 
>  as
> an organization interested in a participatory US-Russia dialogue.
>
>
> Assuming there was an unlimited budget, how could a dialogue be designed?
> Is anyone interested in working on something like this?
>
>
> Lucas Cioffi
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Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

[paul levy via OSList]

I still say the vaccinating at Top Shop was a rather jolly affair.

Paul

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 22:42 Mark Carmel via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Rosa Zubizarreta, thank YOU so very much for this truly awe inspiring,
> interesting and intellectually important reference to needle points!
>
> I took special notice of the line:
> ... an infected person may at first show only the mildest and nonspecific
> symptoms, such as a cough or sniffle, before they become deathly ill...
>
> It is SO TRUE, that ALL colds start with a sniffle, cough, or start of a
> sore throat. That is our body and mind's way of telling us it's time to
> start the fight against the bug bringing on these basic symptoms. But oh
> no, that's not what our medical geniuses tell us... it is all right there
> in black and white for anyone who gets covid, you get the same piece of
> paper from all of group thinkers from CDC, WHO, NIH, Etc on down to local
> docs, who say:  ...if you get covid DO NOTHING! Except run and hide from
> your pets, family and friends... And you are also advised to spray chemical
> cleaners (that you are then breathing in the whole time) on everything you
> touch, each time you touch it, every day while in solitary confinement.
> Then, say our health gurus, when you cant breath, and only then, you should
> do something...go to the hospital, call an ambulance. Others who do nothing
> and wait until they cant breathe  literally call the undertaker as they
> pull out a pistol and shoot themselves. Suicide skyrocketing now during
> this disease. My solution is simple and better and it works... The moment
> you feel a runny nose or sore throat, cough, etc., gargle with hot salt
> water and rinse your nose with a saline rinse...bye bye bugs...!
>
> I also take note of another great point in your Needle Points reference,
> Rosa, and thank you most gratefully for this one also... not because it
> proves my point on leadership loyalty and retaliation for failure to do so,
> but because it is a profound truth that all OST facilitators should
> understand before sending participants into the new lion's den known as
> open and honest input, giving people the liberty to express one's opinion.
> Here is that great point:
>
> ...One person who understood how this works intuitively was Alexis de
> Tocqueville. In democracies, as long as there is not yet a majority
> opinion, a range of views can be expressed, and it appears there is a great
> “liberty of opinion,” to use his phrase. But once a majority opinion forms,
> it acquires a sudden social power, and it brings with it pressure to end
> dissent. A powerful new kind of censorship and coercion begins in everyday
> life (at work, school, choir, church, hospitals, in all institutions) as
> the majority turns on the minority, demanding it comply. Tocqueville, like
> James Madison, was concerned about this “the tyranny of the majority,”
> which he saw as the Achilles’ heel of democracy. It isn’t only because
> divisiveness created a minority faction steeped in lingering resentment;
> it’s also because minorities can sometimes be more right than majorities
> (indeed, emerging ideas are, by definition, minority ideas to start with).
> The majority overtaking the minority could mean stamping out thoughts and
> actions that would otherwise generate progress and forward movement...
>
> ...It is a fascinating moment when this sort of crystallization happens in
> a mass culture like America’s, because seemingly overnight even the
> definition of legitimate speech (or thought or action) also changes.
> Tocqueville observed that quite abruptly a person can no longer express
> opinions or raise questions that only days before were acceptable, even
> though no facts of the matter have changed. At an individual level, people
> who were within the bounds can be surprised to find themselves ...tormented
> by the slights and persecutions of daily obloquy... Once this occurs, he
> wrote, ...your fellow-creatures will shun you like an impure being, and
> those who are most persuaded of your innocence will abandon you too, lest
> they should be shunned in their turn...
>
> In the midst of a pandemic, seeing the unvaccinated as “impure” is no
> surprise, because of course they could carry contagion. But as Tocqueville
> pointed out, this *also* occurs when there is no contagion, and we begin
> to experience those who are on the wrong side as “impure”—as in failing the
> purity test—and react to them as though they are dangerous. That we do this
> even when there is no pandemic suggests that there is, along with realistic
> fear of infection, something else going on here—a sense that those with
> whom we may disagree are impurities in the body politic, bad people who
> need to be taught a lesson, even punished.
> A final poignant point to me in your piece Rosa was this gem talking about
> what we do! Facilitating THE participatory proceess of OST.  Here in
> context of public 

Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

[paul levy via OSList]

I quite enjoyed my Covid Booster jab. It was in a nice open space, what
used to be a big clothing store called Top Shop (sadly another casualty of
the rise of online shopping). There was a big poster of some silver
leggings.

A venue put to good use though. It certainly seemed like the right place.
Wherever it happens...

There were lots of smiles over masked noses, which were clearly invites to
smile back. I was invited forward (no one forced me and I used my two
feet). Lovely staff and volunteers and I can never turn down a free offer
(part of my upbringing in North East London).

I sat there, and then it was the right time. And that was it! Nothing more
to do. It was over. Whatever happened happened because it did.

My two feet took me off to breakfast in Pavilion Gardens where I enjoyed
the view and a hot cup of community.

The previous two jabs had been at Brighton Racecourse. It felt more like
slow marching and the bar was closed. Nice folk though. And those jabs were
free too, free of charge, freely invited.

These are my stories, tales of light and dark, up and down, self and other,
in and out, and higher up and further in ..!!!.
Paul




On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 16:03 john watkins via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Michael, and Mark,
>
> I appreciate your thoughtful and eloquent response and exploration of the
> nature of open space speech and the difference between that and something
> like holocaust denial speech. I think therein lies my concern. As I said to
> Mark, I spoke my concern in “I” statements, so as to make sure that folks
> would know it was my opinion about something, not an attempt to control.
> But I think your raising the question of the illegality in Germany of
> holocaust denial speech is the very point I was trying to make. I think
> there is a very fine line between something like holocaust denial speech
> and hate speech and harmful speech. I would call pandemic denial or vaccine
> denial speech that encourages people not to get vaccinated, and thus be
> more likely to get covid, get hospitalized, and die, while also being more
> likely to infect others along the way, is definitely at least harmful
> speech. The question for me then becomes, is a forum like ours a place
> where that kind of speech is appropriate, as much as we value open space
> and the encouragement of diversity of opinion it is all about?
>
> John W
>
> > On Jan 21, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Michael M Pannwitz 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mark, John and all you other Peacemakers out there,
> >
> > when Harrison took the manuscript of "The Practice of Peace" to his
> publisher Berrett-Koehler at the beginning of the present millenium they
> felt it didn't fit into their program...
> >
> > He and everybody else were surprised about being surprised that this was
> not the end of the book.
> > What happened?
> >
> > Not only believing but knowing what the force of selforganisation is
> capable of doing when finding enough space to unfold, Harrison signaled to
> all of us that the book can be printed and distributed without any strings
> attached.
> > Or in othe words, expanded the space.
> > What happened?
> >
> > In no time flat the book was printed and distributed and later also
> translated by folks in 8 countries around the globe in North America,
> Europe, near and far Asia (from the European point of view), Australia, the
> Caribic ... (see "A NOTE ON THIS PUBLICATION" on the second page of The
> Practice of Peace as published two years later by the Human Systems
> Dynamics Institute).
> >
> > Harrison called this phenomenon the "Global Chaordic
> > Publication".
> >
> > It is the string "Who is BS-ing Whom?" that instantly fired up my
> synapses which resurfaced this phehomenon... and my thoughts later on.
> >
> > Mulling over the current pandemic lets me wonder what incited the worst
> pandemics on the globe.
> > Not surprising myself in any serious fashion I felt it is us ouselves...
> like the creature in Pogo looking in a mirror seeing his enemy, see here
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_have_met_the_enemy
> >
> > And what is it, at the core, that causes this disaster? Which virus is
> that? What is the name of the disease this virus creates?
> > How about "control", the only real enemy of "selforganisation".
> > And who is best at controlling.
> > Yep, us.
> >
> > What was the impedement to publishing "The Practice of Peace"? What
> hindered an established, mainstream and well known publisher to turn down a
> book from an author that had a vision?
> >
> > If we start controlling OSLIST it will lose its meaning.
> >
> > This does not mean that illegal content can be shown on OSLISt.
> > In Germany, for instance, and other countries in which German is the
> main language and a dozen other countries it is illegal and punishable to
> deny the holocaust. It is a crime to spread such "opinions" punished in
> Germany by 3 months up to 5 years imprisonment.
> >
> > It seems to me that I would feel 

Re: [OSList] Happy Birthday Harrison Owen

[paul levy via OSList]

Felicitations, Harrison.

Thank you for being the gentle midwife of Opening Space into the three
dimensional realm.

Paul Levy



On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, 20:58 Peggy Holman via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Joining the choir…happy 86th birthday Harrison. May it be a year of space
> opening in unexpected — and fruitful — ways and places.
>
> Love,
> Peggy
>
>
> 
> Peggy Holman
> Co-founder
> Journalism That Matters
> Bellevue, WA  98006
> 206-948-0432
> www.journalismthatmatters.org
> www.peggyholman.com
> Twitter: @peggyholman
> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>
> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
> Opportunity 
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Happy Birthday to our wonderful anti-Commander in Chief!
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> It's a bit early for martinis, so here's a cup of coffee raised, to honor
>> your birthday from San Francisco!
>>
>> Thanks for inviting (i almost typed inciting) this global community of
>> fine inspired madness.
>>
>> Warmly
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 10:42 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Harrison. I am in a team preparing an Art of Hosting
>>> training - I will coach participants to open space on Saturday - looking
>>> forward to this physical training after a looong time online.
>>> Sending you my love and appreciation
>>> Thomas Herrmann
>>>
>>> Hämta Outlook för iOS 
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>>> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] Happy Birthday Harrison Owen
>>>
>>> Happy Birthday Harrison !!!
>>>
>>>
>>> * David R. Osborne*
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks my friend
>>>
>>> ho
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList 
>>> To: OSLIST 
>>> Cc: Suzanne Daigle 
>>> Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2021 10:18 am
>>> Subject: [OSList] Happy Birthday Harrison Owen
>>>
>>> What a special day this is! December 2nd 2021, Harrison Owen's Birthday!
>>> Harrison, you gave us the gift of Open Space Technology and we ran with
>>> it. It is a gift that never stops giving, circling the world over and over,
>>> in ways we never could have imagined. Gatherings in just about every
>>> country of the world, we continue to invite and open space on important
>>> issues with head and heart.
>>> In these times, as never before, ignited by this 8 Billion Question, the
>>> deep yearning to open more and more space, everywhere we go, wherever we
>>> are, fuels us.
>>> Happy Birthday dear Harrison from the thousands who love you, from the
>>> thousands and thousands who sat in a circle experiencing open space
>>> (face-to-face and virtually) and all those who have yet to meet and engage
>>> in Open Space in the future.
>>> [image: Happy Birthday Harrison.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [OSList] Open Space Hotline Tuesday, April 27th at 12pm EDT

[paul levy via OSList]

Should be back in action from next week.

Paul

On Mon, 26 Apr 2021, 21:34 CHARLES COLPITTS via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
>
> Here’s your invitation to the Open Space Hotline! Convening this Tuesday
> April 27th at 12PM EDT
>
>
> Are you involved in opening space? Are you interested in Open Space
> Technology?
>
>
> It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive
> whatever is alive for you right now.
>
>
> The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised.
>
>
> Join the emergent conversation...
>
>
>
> from PC, Mac, iOS or Android:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09
> 
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Re: [OSList] What does everyone think about forming a Peace Institute in Harrison's great Name?

[paul levy via OSList]

I think it is a terrible idea.

An institute around something as flowing and flexible as Open Space?

Yet rocks are among the most flexible forms on the planet, we just need to
be patient enough to notice their dance - those great relentlessly moving
giants.

So, given how eloquently powerful those institutions can be and, given most
ideas that I think are terrible tend to flourish and flower, I'm all for it.

Paul Levy



On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 07:45, Brendan McKeague via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Wonderful idea Mark
>
> HIP for me too
>
> Cheers
> Brendan
>
> On 20 Apr 2021, at 1:24 pm, Livia Olvera Snyder via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I like 1
>
> El 20 abr 2021, a la(s) 0:02, Romy Shovelton via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> escribió:
>
> How beautifully spoken 
>
> HIP it is for me 
>
> Romy Shovelton
> Executive Director
> Wikima and
> The 5* Tyddyn Retreat -
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 Apr 2021, at 04:23, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Go big or go home, they say.  However, nobody ever says who "they" are,
> right?  Unless of course, it's perhaps John Lennon, who may have said it
> best, when he wrote and sang, "Let's Give Peace A Chance..." and, "All We
> Need is Love..." before being shot dead in cold blood on a New York city
> street.
>
> This brings us to the essence of life, of Open Space, and of a life with
> meaning.  What are the two ESSENTIAL ingredients?  Well it kinda looks like
> it's Peace and Love, right? What is Open Space Technology but the opening,
> or HOSTING (by invitation only) of a Sacred Space for Peace and Love?
>
> Therefore, I hereby submit to the World Open Space Technology Community, a
> Call for the following Question to be answered in unanimous consent
> fashion.  If no one objects, we have unanimous consent. If someone objects,
> select option #3...  Thank you in advance for your feedback on the
> following survey...!
>
> 1.  HOST INSTITUTE for PEACE (HIP)
> or
> 2.  HOST PEACE INSTITUTE (HPI)
>
> H - Harrison's
> O - Open
> S - Space
> T - Technology
>
> 3.  None of the above.
>
> Peace!!
>
> MC
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>
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Re: [OSList] Skye Open Space Hotline Question

[paul levy via OSList]

5pm i think

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 15:50, Romy Shovelton via OSList <
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> Can’t see when this gathering is for? I popped on just now….. and
> smiled….to whoever might be there !
>
>  to you Skye
>
> Romy
>
>
> *Romy Shovelton*
>
> *Executive Director*
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>
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> +44 (0) 1686 420725
>
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>
> On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:56, Skye Hirst via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Are you involved in opening space. Are you interested in Open Space
> Technology?  What can we change, learn from our commons of Open Space
> Technology?   What's Love Got to Do with it?
>
> It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive
> whatever is alive for you right now.
>
> The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised.
>
> *Join the emergent conversation...*
>
> from PC, Mac, iOS or Android:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09
> 
>
> --
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Re: [OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[paul levy via OSList]

Opening Space

In this place there are only tones.
No bodily function yet movement
>From thought that flexes
Non-existent muscles.


There are no nouns, only verb
Upon verb, Like fields and valleys,
The language spoken by
The dead, who have cast off all nouns
Is a landscape uttered here.


There are harmonics and rising pitch
That discords as pain, and accords
As love.


In this place there is only tone.
There is communion in notes with a
Melody of Meaning and it is possible
To touch another with the intention
Of a healing song.


Into this place, I unfold my wings of sound-borne light.


On Sat, 30 Jan 2021, 11:48 Romy Shovelton via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Absolutely LOVING this Open Space poetry !!  Thanks everyone…..
>
> I can see a new way to being the Opening Circle !!  
>
> Romy
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2021, at 02:54, lucia pavia Ticzon via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble. Or
>
>
> Yehey! Now i / we all can
>
> Z z.
>
>
>
> Love’t Thanks be!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives led me on a good
>> journey last night. Some of the jewels I found were poems, from the days of
>> the "poetry celebration and contest" that lived here for a long while.
>>
>> Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic "form" to follow for
>> that round of celebration.
>>
>> Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.
>>
>>
>> huge pens and newsprint
>>
>> like twigs and leaves on the floor:
>>
>> fall forest clearing.
>>
>>
>>
>> wall like wide canvas
>>
>> bare, primed, awaiting fresh strokes
>>
>> painted by our hearts.
>>
>>
>>
>> circle of welcome,
>>
>> like setting an old table
>>
>> for neighbors and friends.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is one in a fun form using an alphabet. It's not about open space,
>> but is about writing a poem, kinda. (Without launching a new Celebration
>> formally, i invite you to try it...)
>>
>>
>> And I
>> Believe you too
>> Can
>> Do a poem, and
>> Even
>> Fairly
>> Gracefully – I
>> Have seen
>> Innovative
>> Juxtapositions
>> Kindly
>> Line up in
>> Many
>> New and
>> Original
>> Poems - it’s
>> Quite
>> Reasonable to get
>> So many words
>> To line
>> Up
>> Very
>> Willingly
>> Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble.
>>
>>
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[OSList] Join us for some virtual coworking today Friday 2.30-4.30pm GMT

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear all,

Join us for some virtual coworking today Friday 2.30-4.30pm GMT.

A couple of weeks ago I was part of an experiment called
Unhurried Coworking.

We are trying another one today, Friday from 2.30-4.30pm GMT.

Join us for some coworking on Zoom. It's chance to work with a bit of
companionship, just like a coworking space in town or in a cafe.

There are no rules, but you are invited to,,,

* Keep your camera and audio on if you want to chat with others and maybe
work as well
* keep your camera on and your audio off if you want to see others chatting
and working but want some sound privacy
* keep your audio on and camera off if you want to keep your space private
but still join in the chat or hear what others are chatting avout
* keep your camera and audio off if you just want to get on with stuff but
feel some companionship but get on with things

Drop in and out whenever you choose. Stay for as long as you want..


Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82951238982?pwd=MnRSbE5VMTdaK1FCL0w2Y2ZWa0Nadz09

Meeting ID: 829 5123 8982
Passcode: 655240

I hope to see you there. No need to RSVP.

With warm wishes,

Paul Levy
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Re: [OSList] Confused American

[paul levy via OSList]

Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into Jeff's
post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather differently

>From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,

Paul

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> This is totally weird… I’ve known Jeff for years and I simply can’t
> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
> 
> *Cc: *Jeff Aitken 
> *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>
>
>
> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>
> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>
> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>
> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>
> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>
>
>
> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>
> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>
> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>
> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>
> place on the optimal day.
>
>
>
> What went wrong? I remain confused.
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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times......

[paul levy via OSList]

I'm in too.

Paul

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 13:56, Barry Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I, also, would love be present :-)
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 6:59 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello lovely OS world and extended family….
>>
>> Apologies for being absent for SO long….. I lurk occasionally and enJOY
>> seeing you there, sharing wisdom so brilliantly and inspiringly. Thank you.
>>
>> Seeing Funda’s posting…. I would LOVE to have a conversation (dare I say
>> Zoom ?!!) with OS people about how to make OS the best it possibly can be
>> in an online world. I know that Phelim and the Improbable crew have done
>> some online work. If anyone might be interested in talking about such
>> things, I would love it….
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Romy
>>
>>
>> *Romy Shovelton*
>>
>> *Executive Director*
>> *Wikima* and the
>> *5* Tyddyn RetreatMid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages*
>>
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>> skype: romy shovelton
>>
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[OSList] Unhurried Working Experiment

[paul levy via OSList]

Hi all

Johnnie Moore (inventor of Unhurried Conversations)  and I are having an
experiment in online companionable working this Friday. We'll be working at
home but we'll also have a Zoom room open so there might be some light
conversation with other homeworkers.


You can drop in, just listen, just watch, no pressure. Details below.


Zoom space will be Join Zoom Meeting

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86461138754?pwd=dEtjZDhDdGJzWUtsZHFXSkM3ZU5Mdz09


Meeting ID: 864 6113 8754

Passcode: 245038


Best wishes,


Johnnie and Paul



*Unhurried Working*

Friday January 15th, 2pm to 5pm UK time



Many of us working remotely need a little bit of companionship, without
feeling like we want to talk all the time.


This is an experiment in sharing space while getting on with our work or
household activities, where we’d like a bit of company without feeling
obliged to join in a conversation of feel, god forbid, that we’re in a
meeting.


So for this event, we’ll have an open zoom room in which you can interact
with other folks as much or as little as you like.


The basic controls will be:


I

Camera

Microphone

What it means

On

On

I’m really quite open to talking

On

Muted

I'm here but I’m not talking at the moment - or am talking to someone else

Off

On

I don’t want to be visible but I might talk

Off

Muted

I'm happy picking up the vibe of the Zoom room but I’m not taking active
part


Another choice is to have your camera pointing at you indirectly so we can
see you at work without feeling your eyes staring in our general direction.


Join us for as much of the time as you like, and come in the spirit of
experimentation.
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Re: [OSList] Online WOSOonOS+

[paul levy via OSList]

I'm in!

Just the thought.

The World Open Space on Opening Space

Rather than on Open Space.

Warm wishes,

Paul

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020, 16:49 Lucas Cioffi via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> There was a lot of interest in an online WOSonOS.
>
> The Open Space Institute US has invited several other facilitation
> communities to sponsor (co-sponsor) an Open Space somewhere in
> September/October that can be for the world & include thinking about Open
> Space (thus be a WOSonOS) while also welcoming other communities that use
> and love open space as part of their repertoire. It will be a kind of
> WOSonOS+.
>
> If you have thoughts & want to help invite, please contact Harold Shinsato
> (har...@shinsato.com).
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Lead Software Engineer, QiqoChat
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
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[OSList] TODAY! Tues July 14th Open Space Hotline, 12 PM EDT or 5PM UK TIME

[paul levy via OSList]

TODAY! Tues July 14th Open Space Hotline, 12 PM  EDT or 5PM UK TIME

You are invited to join us TODAY for the Open Space Hotline to share,
listen, and be surprised: *Tuesday July 14th @ 12 PM EDT. 5PM UK time*

*We open space for Open Space. Emergent conversation in a changing world.
Drop in!*

>
>> *We meet every Tuesday*, so you can put it on your calendar and drop in
>> when you're free! :)
>>
>> *Join the call*
>> from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/751609912
>>
>> a. Join by phone: +1 (415) 762-9988 or +1 (646) 568-7788 (US Toll)
>> b. International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference
>> c. Meeting ID: 751 609 912
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[OSList] TODAY! Tues July 7th OS Hotline, 12 PM or 5pm.uk time

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You are invited to join us TODAY for the Open Space Hotline to share,
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Re: [OSList] Our son on his way home from Nepal

[paul levy via OSList]

Splendid news!

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020, 08:01 Thomas Herrmann via OSList, <
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> Just want to let you know that our son Anton has a seat on a plane from
> Kathmandu to München today and then he will travel onwards to Sweden by
> train and boat. I reached out a few weeks ago on this list. I will send a
> note when he is in our home, planned by Friday morning our time
>
> My deepest appreciation for all who have supported us in different ways.
> We are blessed being part of this international family and happy!
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> With love
>
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Re: [OSList] help needed : a good talk/sparring partner

[paul levy via OSList]

What time is it uk timec?

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 13:10 Barry Owen via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I'm planning to be there today :-)
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:50 AM christine koehler via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>> Lucas. tomorrow Friday 12:30 pm eastern in your garden works for me
>> Thank you for offering the space.
>> Talk to those who are interested then !
>>
>> Gerardo, that’s an interesting idea (we call it cafe suspendu here, it’s
>> a one on one offer, interesting to hear it can be translated differently) .
>> I’d be please to be in touch with this person
>>
>> You are wonderful :)
>> Christine
>> + 33 6 13 28 71 38
>>
>>
>> Le 26 mars 2020 à 18:15, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> a écrit :
>>
>> If Lucas’ suggested time on Friday works for you, I’ll come also.
>>
>> Peggy Holman
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Christine!
>>
>> Please name a time and I can meet you in the OS Zoom/Qiqo garden:
>> https://openspace.qiqochat.com
>> Anyone else who is interested can join us too.  If this is a good
>> conversation we can do it again next week and more people can join with
>> more advance notice.
>>
>> Is there a time that works for you...
>>
>>- today (Thursday) 12:30pm-5pm Eastern / 4:30pm-9pm UTC?
>>- or tomorrow (Friday) 10:30am-12:30pm Eastern / 2:30pm-4pm UTC?
>>
>> Lucas Cioffi
>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>> Scarsdale, NY
>> 917-528-1831
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM christine koehler via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> I have an idea that need some more thinking. it’s about lunching a
>>> dialogue mouvement over here (France) to help people dealing with anxiety
>>> and prepare for social peace after the crisis (there will be social unrest
>>> for sure over here, we can feel it already). it may involve online
>>> conversation café and open space
>>> I am looking for someone to help me take my idea a bit further , who
>>> knows about Conversation Cafe/ NCCD  and can help me talk to the right
>>> people in this community.
>>> We could talk via Zoom/whatapp or whatever.
>>>
>>> Anyone willing to help me think this through ?
>>>
>>> Christine
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Re: [OSList] On-line OST platforms

[paul levy via OSList]

I'd like to offer two solutions often overlooked.

Online is not the only solution. Indeed it is dangerous to see the digital
realm as a default fallback for just about everything.

One is to have a period of time opening space locally, perhaps even as
locally as the street on which you live. Or even in the glorious company of
just yourself.

A second is a period of silence and stillness, of minimal everything.

Best wishes,

Paul Levy

One solution, very much

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:45 Csaba Lengyel via OSList, <
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> Dear Collegues,
>
> Social distancing due to coronavirus mitigation efforts brings-up the
> necessity of using on-line OST platforms. I know there has been some
> discussion already in this forum on this topic, but I would be very much
> interested the current best solutions and experiences.
>
> Can you share your thoughts?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Csaba Lengyel
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Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

[paul levy via OSList]

Each moment is precious and beautiful.

Happy birthday

Paul Levy

On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 13:22, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Made it through another year. Was thinking of moving to Mars… shorter
> yeara! Thanks everybody!!
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Peggy Holman via OSList
> *Sent:* Monday, December 2, 2019 12:40 PM
> *To:* Open Space Listserv
> *Cc:* Peggy Holman
> *Subject:* [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
>
>
>
> Morning all,
>
>
>
> It’s that time of year. For most of us, it’s holiday season.
>
>
>
> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen’s
> birthday.
>
>
>
> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the
> status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world
> becomes ever more relevant.
>
>
>
> Thanks for being you.
>
>
>
> Love,
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 101, Issue 5

[Paul Levy via OSList]

To add to the celebration of the "Law"...

The Law of Two Feet equally expresses itself beautifully when people do not
move an inch.

People who often move around sometimes make the sudden decision to stick
around. To plant their feet exactly where they are...

People who stay yet again where they are out of fear or politeness may be
cooking up their biggest leap sideways that may only show itself in the
long run.

Not moving. Now that's pretty cool too.

Best wishes

Paul Levy



On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, 06:17 Jeff Aitken via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Yes. Chris C once said that people become like Taoist masters - using the
> law to flow in and out along the spectrum of engagement, wrestling with
> conflict on contentious issues, or hanging by the coffee table talking
> hockey...
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 9:28 PM Bhavesh Patel  wrote:
>
>> Over the years I have seen people go for a smoke, go to church, go to the
>> beach, play frisbee - and most of the time they have come back and weaved
>> in their conversations and sometimes they have turned out to be the most
>> useful and energising for them and the rest of the group!!!...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 00:43, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Once I said "the law of two skis." We were 380 people in the ballroom of
>>> a mountain resort on a sunny morning of a professional association
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> The big view window showed us the hills glistening with fresh snow. By
>>> my calculation 250 people used that law to be butterflies on the slopes,
>>> and the rest had breakout sessions in the ballroom for the day. Oh well.
>>> Everyone had a great time.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 7:34 AM Brendan McKeague via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Bhavesh, I usually refer to the  ‘Law of Mobility (I often don’t know
 in advance if any participants will be in wheelchairs), also known as the
 Law of Two Feet’and if you find yourself in a place where you are
 neither giving or receiving, contributing or learningthen take yourself
 to where you’d rather be...

 I’ve also needed to acknowledge ‘the Law of Four Hooves’ .yep, on
 one occasion a horse walked right into the middle of the space!

 Whatever comes

 Cheers
 Brendan

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 On 15 Sep 2019, at 9:53 pm, Barry Owen via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

 Bhavesh - I'm just playing with words and thought about a discreet bow
 to "Right place"

 The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a place where you are not
 contributing or learning, then you can always choose to go to another place
 more useful for you...

 On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:20 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Might be running something next month for a number of people who will
> be in wheelchairs... so playing with...
>
> The Law Of Mobility - If you find yourself in a situation which you
> are not contributing to or learning from, then you can always choose to go
> to another place more useful for you...
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 18:18, anne stadler via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Oops. Left out a word in my earlier statement. This is what I really
>> mean:
>> Stand up for, and move to wherever you can act on what you love &
>> care about. If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet 
>> to
>> move on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:00 PM anne stadler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Law of Two feet:
>>> Stand up and move to wherever you can act on what you love & care
>>> about.  If you find you’re not contributing there, use your two feet to
>>> move on.
>>>
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Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[paul levy via OSList]

Twenty years ago when I needed to earn some money fast I remember
considering offering a day's training in OST.

I quickly decided against.

In fact the decision made itself.

For me, offering training in OST is like taking a day to train someone in
how to drink fresh water.

Regards

Paul Levy

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 16:29, Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> 1st of all thank you for everyone who gave me feedback on my big idea for
> certification. It was sincerely appreciated. However I can see it was
> something that did not  Resonate well.
>
> Open space technology has clearly set the standard for the facilitation of
> peace and human understanding. It is such a powerful and simple tool but
> highly complex. As Harrison says..  chaos plows the fields of the mind so
> that new ideas can grow... I think there is ample chaos for us to tackle
> right now.
>
> I think it is highly important for the leadership of our open space world
> to make a decision now while we still have Harrison among us as a living
> spirit. Because we have already set the standards why not cement the
> standards and turn it into an everlasting association that could be
> organized to deliver training, etc. To advance the mission of human peace
> and understanding in a more organized way?
>
> If you want to be a beautician or a mechanic or a rocket scientist or a
> city manager there are associations for that .
>
> Why not an association for open space technology practitioners to define
> the standards, the ethics, code of conduct, the way that Harrison has
> already articulated them, but to formalize them and help us get organized
> and stay organized until we get the job done?
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Mark Carmel
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Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Not sure i agree with you, Harrison.

Holding Space involves being gently present, respectfully absent and
conveniently and softly unnoticed.

Warm wishes

Paul Levy
Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker

On Sun, 18 Aug 2019, 21:47 Harrison Owen via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> If I didn’t say it, I could have. Holding Space involves being “totally
> present and absolutely invisible” – to quote myself from “the book.”
> Meditation can get you there, or at least it always has for me. Is this
> right and true? Who knows, but it seems to work.
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Alan Halford via OSList
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:09 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Alan Halford
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this
> conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.
>
>
>
> I have a vague and distant memory of seeing/hearing HO saying or being
> quoted “ The only training you need for OST is  to meditate”
>
> Not sure whether I imagined  it, but it was a decisive reason for me to
> delve into the world of OST
>
> AND it’s still
>
> “Issue the invitation, sit in a circle, create an agenda and get to work”
>
> WHOO HOO
>
> Alan
>
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>
> On 17 Aug 2019, at 4:59 pm, R Chaffe via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> So does teaching!
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2019, at 4:47 pm, paul levy via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I'd never certify OST. Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to
> discover.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Paul Levy
>
>
>
> Paul Levy
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Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

[paul levy via OSList]

I'd never certify OST. Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to
discover.

Best wishes,

Paul Levy

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 17:05 Chris Corrigan via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity,
> right? And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic
> blending of Church and Empire that contributed to mass amounts of suffering
> through incredibly toxic and psychopathic uses of power and control for
> most of the last 1700 years?
>
> And I say that as a Christian who works with churches.
>
> Mark, just open space.  That’s what the world wants more of. It does not
> want or need more  people running around saying they are certified to open
> space.  It truly doesn’t care. Your credentials mean nothing if you aren’t
> actually opening space.  And if you are opening space, no one will care
> what your credentials are.  The best OST meetings I’ve ever been a part of
> were facilitated by people who had never done them before.  They cared
> about the participants, they took care to follow the instructions, they
> took nothing for granted, and they learned a lot about themselves and
> others.  Some of these people were 14 years old.
>
> Coincidently, some of these people are also the best Christians I have
> ever met, too, for the same reasons.
>
> Just do the work and share your learning and get better at it. That’s how
> I learned, that’s how I support others and that’s my invitation to you.
> Resist the devilish temptation to build an empire.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a certification-like
> program and an organizational structure for the future if we want to train
> people in the finer points of sustaining open space interventions over time
> as Chris has done. There is a lot more to it than just throwing out an
> invitation and opening up the market place. It is interesting to me that
> from the most seasoned open space masters the idea was instantly shot down,
> saying...we discussed that already... Now that is not what an open space
> facilitator normally does right? Shoot down other people's ideas. The world
> has evolved into one that respects credentials. Interestingly the ones who
> spoke the strongest against certification have already given themselves
> nice fancy titles. Which is wonderful.  Because credentials really do
> matter. Right now open space facilitators must give themself their own
> title and otherwise have no backing whatsoever to lend credibility to their
> self given titles. When you talk about overcoming the resistance of
> executives and with the retaliation nation nature of things now (look at
> Hong Kong) it makes sense to put some structure to the educational
> credentialing of OSTsters from apprentice  to Master to mentor.  In terms
> of VISION and MISSION and VALUES and STRATEGY, why is it that we
> facilitators want to apply that same organizational structure for ALL other
> organizations but resist doing the same for OUR work, to create OUR
> organization... What IS our vision...to hope the world magically organizes
> around OST... or to make it happen through a viable 1,000 year vision.  In
> his great book, Leadership Is,  Harrison is spot on to define OST as the
> ONE way for leaders to be a caretaker of the Spirit.  We must not be naive
> to believe that leaders will not crush the Spirit once it emerges in Open
> Space. This requires highly advanced training to be able to navigate the
> process over decades of implementation.  ALL great decisions require great
> leadership. If OST ever gets an organization, I hope this idea will be
> considered by its leaders or of course someone else will do it or it will
> not be done. In some ways, or all ways, Harrison has created a new religion
> of Spirit and I hope that an organizational structure WILL be created kinda
> like that other dude who started out with 12 disciples.
> Peace,
> Mark Carmel
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 11:03 PM 
> wrote:
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Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[paul levy via OSList]

It only takes three minutes to learn OST and that includes a tea break.

Warm wishes

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Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 18:23 Amanda Bucklow via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Harrison,
>
> I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it
> means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and
> in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened
> if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process and like the
> process of baking bread it has essential ingredients (people, commitment
> and good will) and many recipes (their contributions).
>
> I hope you are in your summer palace! Maine if I recall. Feasting on
> lobsters perhaps?
>
> my very good wishes to you...
> Amanda
>
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 15:36, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I must say that every  time I hear talk about “certification” I do have to
> smile. My immediate association is with locked facilities and men in white
> coats. Years ago it became very clear to me that any sort of
> Certification/accreditation didn’t make much sense. OST is free. Always has
> been. I particularly loved Chris’s story about Open Space in the prison.
> Truly, anybody can do it, and I hope they do. It  is just like breathing…
> and equally essential for life, I think.
>
> ho
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Amanda Bucklow
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Amanda Bucklow
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
> Dear Marai
>
> I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited
> as follows:
>
> Certified would be
> 1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the
> UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need
> to be ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered
> Accountant which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and
> 2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action
> the outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to
> practice, and therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or
> restricted in some way.
>
> Accredited would be
> 1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to train
> but not independently verified as competent to do so
> 2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the
> perceptions of the market as to quality, and
> 3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership
> body, for example.
>
> The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’ and
> to rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment
> supported by more thorough research or recommendation.
>
> I do hope that is not too much information :-)
>
> kind regards
> Amanda
>
>
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Amanda,
>
> Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a
> certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation?
>
> I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British
> colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are
> saying).
>
> So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use „certified“
> for that very situation. True?
> (by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking).
>
> And I like your quote with your three distinctions.
>
> Marai
>
> Join the next Global Oasis for Emerging Leaders on August 26!
> 
>
>
>
> Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Dear Mark
>
> For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified
> insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis
> of Open Space at least as I experience it.
>
> I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for
> practitioners. I have found that the OSList and the wonderful discussions,
> which are both challenging and respectful, to be the very best professional
> development and better than any ‘regulation’ I have experienced in any
> profession bar none. Wise folks here share and repeat the simplicity of
> what we do in service of others.
>
> As I say to my student mediators: “your training means you understand the
> goals and theory and your accreditation means I think you are a safe pair
> of hands. Now, you turn up, pay attention and ‘be’ a mediator. There is 

Re: [OSList] Skye Poem on the Ineffable

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Splendid evocation and invitation, Skye.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019, 11:27 Skye Hirst via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Come sit with me on a porch for a bit
>
> Let’s watch the sunset, listen to the crickets
>
> Smell the freshly cut grass, share a cuppa
>
> And
>
> Sense one another’s ways of knowing
>
> As we share a story, pose a quandary or uncertainty
>
> Allowing meaning new or old to emerge, and cohere
>
> As we hold hope together
>
> In how life is, how it creates in and with us
>
> And
>
> We grow richer in such resting in the all of it
>
> Such is the opening of space
>
> An invitation to sit together for a while
>
> Whether on a porch, café, conference room, phone or internet
>
> To listen together
>
> To feel life’s magic wisdom
>
> Recalled, shared, seen anew
>
> And
>
> We get to choose again from this richness
>
> Our next act towards common goodness
>
>
>
> Come, let’s sit together
>
> Share a cuppa
>
> Story, quandary or uncertainty
>
> And
>
> Hold hope together
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [OSList] Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Guide?? What guide? There's a guide ???

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On Thu, 16 May 2019, 07:01 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Glad you said that, Harrison!
>
> My recommendation is to simply read the Guide about a week before you
> have the good fortune to facilitate an open space event. All of it.
> Every time. I did this for more than twenty years. Found new stuff each
> time. And was not hampered to find my own style. Ok, that is in the book
> that I wrote. Its in German. And all germanspeaking facilitators read
> that before each os event they facilitate. It has pictures, 100. It is
> also available as an ebook. So my next suggestion is to to learn German.
> Took me a long time, too. English was easier.
>
> And once you are really happy about your approach in whatever language,
> write a book in that language. Dont translate it. Let others write their
> version or tell the story in their foreign words.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> Am 15.05.2019 um 21:20 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList:
> > Hate to say it…It’s in the Book!
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> > *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> Behalf
> > Of *Jake Yeager via OSList
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:15 PM
> > *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > *Cc:* Jake Yeager
> > *Subject:* [OSList] Sample Opening Script for Open Space w/o Time Slots?
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have a sample opening script for an Open Space without time
> > slots?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > All the best,
> > Jake
> >
> > 
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
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> >
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Re: [OSList] Skye Hello and Welcome today to OS Hotline

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Me too

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>
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Re: [OSList] OS Training in Marseille - April and November

[Paul Levy via OSList]

I wonder if someone could invite her to take part in an open space and let
her learn for herself.

Best regards,

Paul Levy
Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 15:25 Diane Gibeault via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> You are right Harrison, here is another training being offered.
>
> Josée Meyer will be facilitating an Open Space learning 3 day event in
> French, in Marseille France this April and November. She is an
> experienced OS facilitator who models OS as a way of being.
>
> Thank you for sharing this with friends and colleagues who may be
> interested.
>
> Diane
>
> *Formation Forum Ouvert *à *Marseille* les *2, 3, 4 avril* 2019 et les *5,
> 6, 7 novembre* 2019
>
> Avec l’intention de faire découvrir la richesse et la puissance d’une
> démarche en intelligence collective, Josée Meyer a élaboré un cycle de
> formation sur l’approche Forum Ouvert (Open Space Technology) en étroite
> collaboration avec Diane Gibeault facilitatrice professionnelle canadienne
> (International Association of Facilitators), praticienne et formatrice du
> Forum Ouvert depuis plus de 25 ans.
>
> Le Forum Ouvert, est une démarche en intelligence collective et une
> approche participative de facilitation pour des groupes de 5 à plus de 2000
> personnes.
>
> Josée Meyer formée depuis plusieurs années à cette méthode, offrira cette 
> *formation
> Forum Ouvert*
> 
>  à
> Marseille en collaboration avec* IFOD Provence*. Un véritable Forum
> Ouvert est expérimenté lors de la formation comme support pratique au
> contenu théorique.
>
> Josée Meyer
> 
>   est fondatrice de JMConsulting et facilite en Forum Ouvert des groupes
> de plus de 350 personnes, que ce soit des entreprises privées, publiques ou
> des associations. Elle pratique en France les métiers de l’accompagnement
> individuel, d’équipe et d'organisation depuis plus de 20 ans et est membre
> du bureau de la SF COACH région PACA depuis 2017.
>
> *Diane Gibeault* , formée auprès
> d’Harrison Owen créateur de l’approche, est co-auteur du *« Livre blanc
> sur le Forum Ouvert : Changez votre organisation avec cœur et élan »*,
> préfacé par H. Owen.
>
>
>
> __
> On Friday, February 22, 2019, 8:49:16 a.m. EST, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I don’t know the Phelim is offering any… but he surely could  Others as
> well.
>
>   ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Thomas Herrmann via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2019 1:26 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Thomas Herrmann
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: OpenSpaceWorld.ORG "OST Training information
> required in london"
>
> In case there is more interested people. We have a hot offer to learn to
> work with OST upcoming, in September!
>
> So this is what I wrote Bianca
>
> I am part of a team offering public Open Space Technology training on
> regular basis in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany with participants from
> many, mainly European, countries. Our next planned offer is in early
> September.
> See link:
> https://www.dorisgottlieb.com/workshops/2017/9/6/learning-to-work-with-open-space-technology
>
> We also offer in-house trainings whenever there is an interest.
>
> Please get in touch if you have any more questions.
> Best regards
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 22 feb. 2019 kl. 05:40 skrev Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Who's doing training in or around London these days?  This person is not
> on the list here.  Please reply directly with London info, if you can..
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Bianca*
> Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:08 AM
> Subject: "OST Training information required in london"
> To: 
>
> From: Bianca 
> Subject: OST Training information required in london
>
> Message Body:
> Dear Team
>
> I am looking to develop my skills in becoming an open space trainer - Can
> you help me with a list of training programmes that might be available in
> and around London
>
> Best wishes,
> Bianca
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 93, Issue 7

[paul levy via OSList]

I do believe ill intent is a wonderful opportunity and vital resource.

It is an opportunity for space to open in even more unpredictable ways, and
for the narrative to expand, enrich, surprise and lengthen the overall
story.

It is a vital resource, the loud tinkle of the toilet flushing, reminding
the over-enthusistic Tibetan-bell ringing facilitator that there are many
other ways to sound music in the world.

With warm wishes,

Paul Levy
Writer, facilitator, conversifier  collusion breaker

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 22:35 markacarmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

> Thanks for the great thinking there friends,
>
> What IF there is ILL INTENT By the leaders, with covert, secret intent to
> NEVER cooperate whatsoever with your leadership colleagues?  Then does ANY
> model of decision making really matter?  Take Washington DC, Please  I
> have never seen or felt more like the Russians are actually correct.  The
> Russians say American Democracy is self destructing.
>
>  In my hometown Of Pueblo, Colorado we had a debate today for strong mayor
> of our town at the community college.  The new policy at the college
> prohibits ANY news to be broadcast on ANY campus televisions. Fights break
> out otherwise.
>
> We sure have our work cut out for us folks
>
> I said 25 years ago, and still believe today, that there will be, some day
> all across America, Statues of Harrison Owen in town squares everywhere.
> Michael Herman wrote  back to me and said ...there already are, they are
> just invisible...!!  Thank you Michael!!
>
> Peace and Love to ALL Open Space Facilitators!!
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 18:47:30 -0700
> From: Michael Herman 
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> Daniel... "misses the mark" ...i meant any time you issue an invitation and
> don't get what you wanted or expected.  The option is always there to try
> to understand whatever happened, make adjustments, try again.  before or
> after the event.  it's all an experiment, an exploration.
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
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> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:30 PM John Watkins via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Oops. Yes. Sorry, my mistake.
> >
> > It?s also a ?multi-ontological? framework. I love the variety of ways
> that
> > are emerging that show us that we can push back to our choices around the
> > ?beingness??of our work and not just the ?doingness??of it.
> >
> > John W
> >
> > Sent from John's iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Chris Corrigan 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Probe-Sense-Respond, actually. At least for complex problems.
> >
> > Cynefin is actually a decision making framework that points to the kinds
> > of ways of showing up depending on the type of problem you?re facing.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > _
> > CHRIS CORRIGAN
> > www.chriscorrigan.com
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2019, at 11:03 AM, john watkins via OSList <
> > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > As Dave Snowden says, in his Cynefin framework, in complex spaces, the
> > leader?s role is to ?probe, categorize, and respond (and practice is
> > emergent);? whereas, in the chaotic space, the work is to ?act, sense,
> and
> > respond (and practice is always novel).? Probing can often be a ?safe to
> > fail experiment.? It would seem that, even in a space where the broader
> > political leadership is as negative as we are experiencing now, within
> our
> > own contexts, we must still build pioneering communities, to use Margaret
> > Wheatley?s phrase, and open space seems ideally suited to both the
> response
> > to complexity and the response to chaos, to help with that
> co-construction?
> >
> > John W.
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > Mark may be 

Re: [OSList] Open Space Hotline - Tues, Dec 18, 12pm EST!!

[paul levy via OSList]

Greetings Tricia, from Brighton!

Wishing you  a happy Christmas and an exciting and fulfilling new year.

I hope we get the chance to work together and open more space (on or
offline) in 2019.

Stay in touch and let me know what you are up to.

A little winter season reading if you have time...

http://darrow.org.uk/2018/12/11/5-ways-of-reviving-your-dying-and-dull-christmas/

http://darrow.org.uk/2018/12/14/reclaiming-your-christmas-from-digital-thinking/

https://theconversation.com/how-to-shop-smarter-this-christmas-tips-from-an-innovation-expert-89408

Warm wishes,

Paul Levy
Brighton

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Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!

[paul levy via OSList]

Nick

For the very reason Harrison points to in his tale - the shenanigans and
confusion created by calling it open space, I recommend you call it Open
Space - if not the guy wouldn't have stood up and said what he said, and
did what he did. It was the right thing to happen and it led to the
splendid little tale that Harrison just shared. I'm glad he had the story
to tell and I am glad the guy had the opportunity to hotfoot out of there.

As a lot of people say on this list  - "It's all open space".

And it is.

Or not.

PL

On 7 April 2018 at 14:39, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Nick – One of the problems in calling what you do Open Space is that there
> are a lot of people around the world who know the real thing. I am reminded
> of a large gathering (500) that was billed as Open Space, but clearly
> wasn’t. A participant stood up and loudly proclaimed “I don’t know what the
> F… this is – but it sure ain’t Open Space. I’m gone until we open things
> up.” He left, and half the group followed, thereby creating an interesting
> situation for the sponsors.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>
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>
> 207 763-3261
>
>
>
> Websites
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
> www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Nick Martin via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 8:31 AM
> *To:* Dan Mezick via OSList
> *Cc:* Nick Martin
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!
>
>
>
> Hi everybody!
>
> Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching with
> enormous interest.
>
> I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to take me
> through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is veering from the
> traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks again Bhav).
>
> For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who are
> far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to changing it.
>
> Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new draft
> and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a wonderful
> idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end up with ...
> assuming it's clean :)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3
> VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel
> obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Nick Martin*
> WorkshopBank
> 
>
> m: +45 42 47 00 74 <+45%2042%2047%2000%2074> | e: n...@workshopbank.com | w:
> workshopbank.com
> 
>
> [image: Facebook] [image: Twitter]
> [image: LinkedIn]
> 
>
>
>
> On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:
>
> “CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate name.
> Either that or “Project Management”.
>
>
>
> with a twist, of course.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I see the site has a contact page: https://workshopbank.com/contact
>
>
>
> Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this
> thing Open Space with a twist?
>
> Peggy Holman
>
> 425-746-6274
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Harrison Owen via OSList 
> *Date:* April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT
> *To:* "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Cc:* Harrison Owen 
> *Subject:* *Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!*
> *Reply-To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
>
> This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old
> habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that
> somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the
> predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.
>
>
>
> Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can
> understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy.
> Open Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has
> for millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself
> (at least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those
> “meeting planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the
> participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning
> Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone
> could ask the pertinent questions for 

[OSList] Charm, quirk, embellishment and artistry in Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Charm, quirk, embellishment and artistry in Open Space

"The Lamb-Vulture is a bird far-famed,
The Vulture-Lamb is here first named;
It doesn't say "Baa",
It doesn't say "Boo",
It gobbles you up while embracing you,
Then turns pious eyes unto the Lord,
And is, by all, revered and adored.

Christian Morgenstern


Harrison Owen, the midwife of Open Space Technology, often reminds his
colleague-practitioners of Open Space to "Look for one less thing to do."
This isn't one of the main principles of O.S because event designers and
facilitators often do quite the opposite, adding process to O.S, laying out
plates of food, drinks, loading the event with posters, badges, signposts,
flip chats, and even cuddly toys.

And Harrison isn't stating a rule; he is simply describing the wisdom of
Nature.

In terms of processes, they often add action planning, project planning,
Tibetan bells, anti-clockwise circle-walking and even singing and dancing.
Now, all of this would be fine, if it were part of an open space session
offered into the opening circle/market place but it is really just one MORE
thing when it serves as an embellishment to the simple process known as OST.

Looking for one less thing to do in a beautifully and naturally minimal
process such as OST, can be tough for facilitators schooled and groomed
over decades to "intervene". And now we arrive at an even more beautiful
and natural paradox which I will frame as a question: What if looking for
one less thing to do is also one less thing to do?


One less thing to do ?

Or one more thing to do just for the hell of it ?

You'll find embellishment in design. On clothing, on jewelry, on furniture.
>From the point of view of pure function, (what 'works'), embellishment is
one more thing to do. And minimalist design can be as beautiful as
something more complex. Yet embellishment is also often astonishingly
beautiful. When functional minimalism is an artistic  choice, liojubg for
one less thing to do becomes a creative search for the beauty and function
in 'less is more'. Just the circle, in its minimal simplicity can resound
with charm.  Yet when the search for minimalism is dogmatic,  even
automatic,  less can be less.

Embellishment can disempower a group when simplicity might awaken the will
to self-organisation. Yet embellishment can equally awaken that very urge
to self-organisation through the power of art to  inspire. The exception,
in this case, proves the rule and elaborations such as embellishment can
awaken self-organisation, not through control (which is one less thing to
do in open space) but through quirk and charm, both of which can arise out
of artistic playfulness - they arise, I believe,  not out of an urge to
control, but simply from Nature - a nature that abounds with spontaneous
natural creativity. The love of, and urge to play is in us. Such things,
though they may come, in time, before an opening circle, actually and
mysteriously often arise OUT OF the opening circle. Natural embellishment
isn't born of control,  it is so very often an emergent property of open
space itself. Though it may appear before (in time) a circle opens, it
appears before (in front of) that very circle. Some conference badges you
write your name on yourself, some live music playing, an ice cream seller,
a relaxation room, a few yoga mats in the corner.  These may be decided
upon before the open space event, yet somehow they seem to arise also from
the opening circle - that ciircle confirms there. What went before (back in
time) arises once more before (in front of us in the circle) as we whoop
with delight and seelf-organise affirmation of them.

Embellsihment and charm might both seem like one less thing to do at an
open space. Yet, following that line of reasoning, even open space is
ultimately one less thing to do at an open space!

Always looking for one less thing to do becomes a dogmatic behaviour, as we
head, compulsively, towards the absence of even absence, a true void.
Looking for one less thing to do is smart, even wise, if we are in over- or
unnecessary complexity - a version of clutter - but as a hard and fast
rule, we arrive at zero, and then even being in zero becomes one less thing
to do! I'm serious. We cease to exist.

When we stop looking for one less thing to do, we may discover that one
less thing to do emerges again in our improvised decisions and actions as
wise in many situations anyway. But not always. I say not always, because
when fixed rules make way for play, doing one less thing sometimes becomes
one less thing to do  and charm and embellishment arise out of the released
playful freedom. And that is when the ringing of bells, the designing of
badges, the offering of pink cotton candy, and the sticky dots and post-its
appear and help the space to open, because they have suprising charm, quirk
and offer possibility and potential. They are born, not of rules, but of
emergent play. They are artistic embelishment as each can open space for a

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville

[Paul Levy via OSList]

I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving
indifference";

- love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST
- love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising
meeting

The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their
indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an
eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive  spiritual symmetry.

Best wishes

Paul Levy



On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Lucas,
> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create
> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot
> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator
> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that
> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding
> actions/follow throughand there have.
>
> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to
> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason
> for OST.
>
> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so,
> you could have as given:
> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of the
> discussion groups
> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be done
> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the
> voting...next steps for action will be invited
>
>
> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional design
> elements.
>
> Blessings,
> Birgitt
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman 
> wrote:
>
>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone
 who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high.
 Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work,
 ask one of the people with their hands held up.

 Chris.

 ___
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 www.chriscorrigan.com


 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

 Hi Lucas,
 I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.

 I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is too
 small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great opportunity". I
 would not make definitive statements about the tarnished name of
 Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. Rather, I
 would really open the space wide for creating the community we love". Who
 knows what inspirations might show up!

 I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
 Birgitt

 On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they
> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules."  the
> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you
> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you
> can."  this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it 
> at
> your own risk.  the moving about with two feet is just describing what
> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>
> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to promise
> safety.  that's a tall order.  made taller by simultaneously saying that
> ALL ideas are welcome.  the combination of inviting everyone to learn and
> contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
> surprised, on the other, should be enough.  if you promise "safe" space,
> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
> 

Re: [OSList] Open Space and Introverts

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Sometimes silence and stillness and perhaps gentle unnoticeable inner
reflection represent full participation.

Warm wishes

Paul

On 27 Aug 2017 12:49 pm, "Harrison Owen via OSList" <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> And what would happen, I wonder, if you did fully participate?
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>
>
>
> Websites
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
> www.ho-image.com
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Colette Street via OSList
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:52 PM
> *To:* Ron Quartel; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space and Introverts
>
>
>
> I can say that for me, it is one reason I have been hesitant to fully
> participate in open space.
>
>
>
> Colette
>
> Colette M. Street, MSW, PhD
> Fellow, Institute for Social Innovation,
> Fielding Graduate University
>
> Click below to learn more about furthering
> your education at Fielding!
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>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2017 10:19 AM, "Ron Quartel via OSList" <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I had an interesting chat a few days ago with someone that identifies as
> an introvert. They made this statement which has me somewhat confused and
> perplexed - "Introverts do not like Open Space".
>
>
>
> Now - I know that for the broadest definition of an introvert that is not
> true. Because I myself am an introvert and I love Open Space. Like all
> mental categories, introversion I assume is on a scale. So perhaps a better
> statement from this individual may have been - for more extreme introverts,
> Open Space can be uncomfortable and is not viewed as a safe environment for
> me to express myself. (I need to run this statement by said individual to
> see if they can confirm if this statement better represents their
> intention.)
>
>
>
> Is this indeed true however? It is at least for one person I know. So my
> questions are:
>
> - has anyone else encountered this opinion?
>
> - If so, what percentage of the average population do you think would feel
> this way?
>
> - Is there anything we can do to make these extreme introverts to feel
> comfortable and safe to share?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts and advice appreciated.
>
>
>
> Ron Quartel
>
>
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Re: [OSList] OS Hotline TODAY, 7/2517 @ 12PM EDT!

[paul levy via OSList]

Sorry to miss this. Was comaping.

On 25 July 2017 at 13:11, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Happy Tuesday everyone!
>
> The OS Hotline is open TODAY, Tuesday, July 25th @12PM EDT for whomever
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Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[paul levy via OSList]

Lucas

I wrote this a year ago but keep coming back to it. I go with the view that
there is something else in the digital realm we've yet to invent. As things
stand I feel concerned about what we are doing "online" especially in our
attempts to transpose physical to digital via metaphors borrowed from the
physical ...

"After I nearly died my whole life flashed in front of me and then the
image settled into an enormous tableau, like a tapestry I could step
through.

"Time became space and every moment of my life was there in crystal clarity
- from my birth to my final moments, spread out in all directions around
me.

"Yet somehow I could also behold it all at the same time, in the same
place. It was then I noticed the holes - frightening spaces in the picture,
empty even of shadow. Utter nothingness.

"I knew in that moment our tapestries are meant to be entire, to be
complete. These were the holes when I was not present in my own waking
life. These were little voids claimed by other influences on my attention.
Some of the tears and holes in my life picture were tiny, some were huge.
Yet I knew I needed the whole picture to move on properly.

Then I realised it: These were the holes when I was texting, letting the
infinite quality of my life be remade into ones and zeros that were never
truly born of my being, the gestures I made, without actually caring or
being there in my heart and mind. And these were spaces I could never
easily fill again.

"The picture unraveled like a tsunami then fractured. Voiceless I screamed,
and awoke, sweating in my bed."

Paul

On Sunday, 28 August 2016, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
>
> I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best for
> you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
>
>
>
> My...
>
>
> thoughts...
>
>
> are...
>
>
> down...
>
>
> below...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are my rough thoughts:
>
> 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the following:
>
>- where the opening circle is
>- how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>- who is in each virtual space right now
>- what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>marketplace / idea wall)
>
> 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
>
> *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> all participants.
>
> 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to speak.
>
> 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> for a moment").
>
> *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!*
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat
> Charlottesville, VA
> Mobile: 917-528-1831
>
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Re: [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online gathering

[paul levy via OSList]

I buy all of that, Michael and add it to what I posted - then we have a
more diverse picture.

What intrigues me is whether these "three day training events" (which
apparently aren't 3 day trainings in OST at all apparently though they are
often advertised as so, but are necessary unlearning, grief-processing,
re-learning cathartic events with necessary facilitators on hand) are
somehow the only events that elude OST.

What I'm suggesting is that humanity is richer in spirit than we might
think. Just open space...

If grief and the shock of realisation that goes with unlearning is a state
of soul - the human spirit lies deeper (or perhaps higher) and can pop
grief like bubbles - if we get out of the way. This is going to be a
key quality beyond even Generstion Z. Generation A is already arriving. I
kid you not.

Paul

On Friday, 26 August 2016, Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com> wrote:

> i can think of two ways to spin grief and loss, paul.  one is in the
> moment of realizing, when it occurs to someone that they've been in a box.
>  the loss of what didn't happen.  the second is when folks 'get it' right
> away and then have to deal with letting go or maybe choosing between this
> newly discovered or rediscovered way of being and some of the things and
> structures they have in life because they traded this space away.  not all
> of the grief, loss, and other navigation, structural reform you might call
> it, happens in the moment.  it's not just 'aw, what the heck, maybe i'll
> risk putting up a topic in this newfangled meeting.'  sometimes it's having
> to have a good long think about what value i've been adding or what value i
> can add now, given my job as 'manager' of things isn't really that
> necessary.  not to mention the exploration and mastery of the open space
> between controlling and collapse.  even if/when we love it and want it,
> there is still work to be done.  some letting go, some loss and grief.  and
> none of that's a problem.  it's just part of the new territory.  maybe
> there isn't any disagreement here, either.  it's just that what looks, or
> we might describe, to those who've not crossed over this threshold like
> grief and loss just looks like being fully alive from the other side.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:30 PM, paul levy via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');>> wrote:
>
>> Michael
>>
>> It isn't my experience nor the experience of an increasing number of
>> people i am meeting. An emerging generation, loaded with hope and
>> readiness.
>>
>> They don't unlearn. They remember gently and quickly what they always
>> knew. They can be 80 or 90 years old.
>>
>> And they don't unlearn because they experience "un" as a construct
>> created by over-dramatic, polarising, do-gooding facilitators. They shift
>> perspective as suddenly and refreshingly as a weather change. It need not
>> be Shakespearean nor epic. It can be a flick of a Mary Poppins umbrella.
>>
>> They don't unlearn because they take to open space as if they were born
>> for it and they step into it within moments of space opening. There's no
>> grief because the grief is transformed in the blink of an eye to energetic
>> enthusiasm.
>>
>> We can travel 30,000 miles around the world to reach a place we call "one
>> step forward", arriving bruised and exhausted. Or we can take one step
>> forward.
>>
>> What if, just what if unlearning is a habitual tool of facilitation and
>> not as important as we believe we experience ?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 26 August 2016, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannw...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mmpannw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Paul,
>>>
>>> for myself, it was like a new lease on life opening up grand
>>> perspectives to unlearn my decades old OD-facilitation modes.
>>> Right, it should have been connected with grief but it was not.
>>>
>>> At the time, back in 1996, I did not consciously realize that I was
>>> unlearning anything... I was just in plain good spirits working in this
>>> different way. Actually, folks that had known me for a long time came up
>>> and expressed their surprise about how I had changed...
>>>
>>> I do know now, however, that unlearning apparently takes as long as
>>> learning something... so the trip is ongoing.
>>>
>

Re: [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online gathering

[paul levy via OSList]

Michael

It isn't my experience nor the experience of an increasing number of people
i am meeting. An emerging generation, loaded with hope and readiness.

They don't unlearn. They remember gently and quickly what they always knew.
They can be 80 or 90 years old.

And they don't unlearn because they experience "un" as a construct created
by over-dramatic, polarising, do-gooding facilitators. They shift
perspective as suddenly and refreshingly as a weather change. It need not
be Shakespearean nor epic. It can be a flick of a Mary Poppins umbrella.

They don't unlearn because they take to open space as if they were born for
it and they step into it within moments of space opening. There's no grief
because the grief is transformed in the blink of an eye to energetic
enthusiasm.

We can travel 30,000 miles around the world to reach a place we call "one
step forward", arriving bruised and exhausted. Or we can take one step
forward.

What if, just what if unlearning is a habitual tool of facilitation and not
as important as we believe we experience ?

Paul


On Friday, 26 August 2016, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Paul,
>
> for myself, it was like a new lease on life opening up grand perspectives
> to unlearn my decades old OD-facilitation modes.
> Right, it should have been connected with grief but it was not.
>
> At the time, back in 1996, I did not consciously realize that I was
> unlearning anything... I was just in plain good spirits working in this
> different way. Actually, folks that had known me for a long time came up
> and expressed their surprise about how I had changed...
>
> I do know now, however, that unlearning apparently takes as long as
> learning something... so the trip is ongoing.
>
> cheers
> mmp
>
>
> On 26.08.2016 18:30, paul levy via OSList wrote:
>
>> I've finally realised what's been bugging me.
>>
>> It's the idea that unlearning facilitation is often a step of huge
>> grief. It somehow needs three days of facilitation Etc.
>>
>> I beg to differ. The human soul needs only to open space for its own
>> unlearning.
>>
>> Do we not believe we can invite those who want to unlearn to find to an
>> open space focused on unlearning. Is this the one thing OST cannot do ?
>>
>> Issue an invitation - to unlearn together all we thought we knew about
>> facilitation. Use OST...
>>
>> Dives for cover
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, 26 August 2016, Michael Herman via OSList
>> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> there's something interesting happening that some of us might want
>> to join on september 9th.  i don't think it's been mentioned here yet.
>>
>> i first heard about "clean language" from harold shinsato.  it seems
>> useful in our conversations with sponsors about invitations, to help
>> us work with their story in their own words.  it'll be useful in
>> other settings, too, like coaching.
>>
>> the event on the 9th is a 12-hour online gathering, i would say
>> heavily informed by open space or maybe it's an experimental online
>> adaptation of open space.  but come for the topic, the ideas and
>> practice, and the learning, not for the process.
>>
>> here are the links where you can check it out.  i'm planning to
>> participate in the window that will be daytime in chicago.
>>
>> what is the metaphorum online gathering?
>> http://judyrees.co.uk/metaphorum-2016/
>> <http://judyrees.co.uk/metaphorum-2016/>
>>
>> what is clean language?
>> http://judyrees.co.uk/what-is-clean-language-2/
>> <http://judyrees.co.uk/what-is-clean-language-2/>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838  (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online gathering

[paul levy via OSList]

I've finally realised what's been bugging me.

It's the idea that unlearning facilitation is often a step of huge grief.
It somehow needs three days of facilitation Etc.

I beg to differ. The human soul needs only to open space for its own
unlearning.

Do we not believe we can invite those who want to unlearn to find to an
open space focused on unlearning. Is this the one thing OST cannot do ?

Issue an invitation - to unlearn together all we thought we knew about
facilitation. Use OST...

Dives for cover

Paul

On Friday, 26 August 2016, Michael Herman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> there's something interesting happening that some of us might want to join
> on september 9th.  i don't think it's been mentioned here yet.
>
> i first heard about "clean language" from harold shinsato.  it seems
> useful in our conversations with sponsors about invitations, to help us
> work with their story in their own words.  it'll be useful in other
> settings, too, like coaching.
>
> the event on the 9th is a 12-hour online gathering, i would say heavily
> informed by open space or maybe it's an experimental online adaptation of
> open space.  but come for the topic, the ideas and practice, and the
> learning, not for the process.
>
> here are the links where you can check it out.  i'm planning to
> participate in the window that will be daytime in chicago.
>
> what is the metaphorum online gathering?
> http://judyrees.co.uk/metaphorum-2016/
>
> what is clean language?
> http://judyrees.co.uk/what-is-clean-language-2/
>
>
> Michael
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] University training for Open Space Technology?

[paul levy via OSList]

How about we teach OST on day 1 for 5 minutes and then just invite the
to open space for the next 2.99 years and the give them a masters degree in
whatever they come up with ?

Paul

On Thursday, 25 August 2016, l33t...@gmail.com via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> There is an opportunity, an opening, an invitation to make something
> wonderful.
>
> What would a Master level University accredited training for Open Space
> Technology look like?
>
> I posted a session in the last NOSONOS in Sweden at Två Skyttlar with the
> title "10 ECTS" representing some 300 hours worth of training and studies
> on the topic.
>
> An idea was born in the session, and many signed up for it, that we should
> make a mentor program for the facilitation students in a course where they
> would do find their own sponsors and a theme, organize with the sponsors to
> invite to the event and document the proceedings, the student would
> facilitate the event and later review with the sponsors post-event.
> Naturally some compensation would be paid by the university to mentor for
> coaching the student with his first sponsored facilitation event in the
> program.
>
> The second idea was to invite other universities in the European Higher
> Education Area and possibly other places to co-create a full program of one
> years worth Masters diploma including the global mentor program and the
> many professional trainings that are happening all over. many universities
> where named, and it is exiting.
>
> This is an invitation to contact me or to reply with ideas or next steps
> or connection and suggestions.
>
> Best greetings
>
> Kári Gunnarsson
> Hringbraut 46, IS-101 Reykjavík, Iceland
> Phone (+354) 864 5189
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Re: [OSList] University training for Open Space Technology?

[paul levy via OSList]

How about we teach OST on day 1 for 5 minutes and then just invite them
to open space for the next 2.99 years and the give them a masters degree in
whatever they come up with ?


On Thursday, 25 August 2016, paul levy  wrote:

> How about we teach OST on day 1 for 5 minutes and then just invite the
> to open space for the next 2.99 years and the give them a masters degree in
> whatever they come up with ?
>
> Paul
>
> On Thursday, 25 August 2016, l33t...@gmail.com
>  via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > wrote:
>
>> There is an opportunity, an opening, an invitation to make something
>> wonderful.
>>
>> What would a Master level University accredited training for Open Space
>> Technology look like?
>>
>> I posted a session in the last NOSONOS in Sweden at Två Skyttlar with the
>> title "10 ECTS" representing some 300 hours worth of training and studies
>> on the topic.
>>
>> An idea was born in the session, and many signed up for it, that we
>> should make a mentor program for the facilitation students in a course
>> where they would do find their own sponsors and a theme, organize with the
>> sponsors to invite to the event and document the proceedings, the student
>> would facilitate the event and later review with the sponsors post-event.
>> Naturally some compensation would be paid by the university to mentor for
>> coaching the student with his first sponsored facilitation event in the
>> program.
>>
>> The second idea was to invite other universities in the European Higher
>> Education Area and possibly other places to co-create a full program of one
>> years worth Masters diploma including the global mentor program and the
>> many professional trainings that are happening all over. many universities
>> where named, and it is exiting.
>>
>> This is an invitation to contact me or to reply with ideas or next steps
>> or connection and suggestions.
>>
>> Best greetings
>>
>> Kári Gunnarsson
>> Hringbraut 46, IS-101 Reykjavík, Iceland
>> Phone (+354) 864 5189
>>
>
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Re: [OSList] University training for Open Space Technology?

[Paul Levy via OSList]

Greetings from Paul Levy

I wonder if "Facilitating Self-Organisation" might be better received ?

Regards 

Paul  

> On 25 Aug 2016, at 18:27, l33t...@gmail.com via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is an opportunity, an opening, an invitation to make something 
> wonderful.
> 
> What would a Master level University accredited training for Open Space 
> Technology look like?
> 
> I posted a session in the last NOSONOS in Sweden at Två Skyttlar with the 
> title "10 ECTS" representing some 300 hours worth of training and studies on 
> the topic. 
> 
> An idea was born in the session, and many signed up for it, that we should 
> make a mentor program for the facilitation students in a course where they 
> would do find their own sponsors and a theme, organize with the sponsors to 
> invite to the event and document the proceedings, the student would 
> facilitate the event and later review with the sponsors post-event. Naturally 
> some compensation would be paid by the university to mentor for coaching the 
> student with his first sponsored facilitation event in the program.
> 
> The second idea was to invite other universities in the European Higher 
> Education Area and possibly other places to co-create a full program of one 
> years worth Masters diploma including the global mentor program and the many 
> professional trainings that are happening all over. many universities where 
> named, and it is exiting.
> 
> This is an invitation to contact me or to reply with ideas or next steps or 
> connection and suggestions.
> 
> Best greetings
> 
> Kári Gunnarsson
> Hringbraut 46, IS-101 Reykjavík, Iceland
> Phone (+354) 864 5189
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Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear all

Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open space.
Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and control)
and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because space tends
to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when we do one
thing less - minimal intervention.

OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic facilitation
to it).

Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self or
selves are doing the organising.

Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.

Warm wishes

Paul Levy



On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
>
> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write down
> "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
>
> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle, and
> the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
>
> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
>
> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.
>
> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe some
> misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round peg
> thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
>
> My 2 cents
>
> This ain't Open Space!
>
>
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> > wrote:
>
>> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
>> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>> Amanda Bucklow
>> Independent Commercial Mediator
>>
>>
>> On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Martin,
>> I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation over
>> comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
>> Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever say
>> that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but got them
>> backwards…(oops)
>> :o)
>> Eva
>>
>> Bästa hälsningar
>>
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> >:
>>
>> Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends,
>> Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp as
>> a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that I
>> had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One
>> thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15
>> minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?
>> :o)
>>
>>

Re: [OSList] Renewing the Mission of the Open Space Institute U.S.

[paul levy via OSList]

Harrison

I have a different experience. I think it takes two seconds to do that
unlearning. Just open space gently and without fuss. The assumptions we
make about "unlearning" become a self-fulfilling prophecy when we string it
out to two days and stick those curse words "workshop" or "course@ to the
invite. We can learn suddenly and spectacularly and unlearning comes just
as easy if we get the hell out of the way of ourselves and others.

There is a more profound reason to get together for two days though:  not
to unlearn but to hang out together for the sheer joy of that and to SHARE
learning.

Warm wishes

Paul
On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Paul – Good to see you! And I was struck with your question… “How can it
> possibly take 2 days to "teach"
>
> OST and why would anyone ever want to teach it anyway ?” In my experience
> it certainly does not take 2 days to “teach” Open Space. BUT it does seem
> to take two days to get even a minimal start on un-learning all the stuff
> we thought we knew about working together – All the stuff that clogs up our
> space so that working becomes difficult and sometimes impossible.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *paul levy via OSList
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:06 AM
> *To:* Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Renewing the Mission of the Open Space Institute
> U.S.
>
>
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>  A few more questions ...
>
>
>
> Warm wishes
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Why are we still calling OST a technology ?
>
>
>
> Why is the LAW of two feel a law ?
>
>
>
> If the "principles" are not prescriptions but descriptions why are they
> called principles ?
>
>
>
> How can it possibly take 2 days to "teach"
>
> OST and why would anyone ever want to teach it anyway ?
>
>
>
> Why do OST "elders" on the OS list keep advocating dogmatic views about
> OST? (Oh yes you do)
>
>
>
> What if one less thing to do was facilitation ?
>
>
>
> How could OSI begin a humble inquiry into new and valuable ways of opening
> space? And learn from them ?
>
>
>
> What questions do we need to ask that cannot be formed into latinised
> words and phrases ?
>
>
>
> Where is open space technology when the world needs to open space most -
> right now ?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 18 July 2016, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');>> wrote:
>
> Dear People of Open Space:
>
> The Open Space Institute of the U.S. has been "holding space for open
> space" since at least 1997. It's origins lie in the summer of 1996, 20
> years ago. In the beginnings, there were many serious conversations in the
> community as to the role and mission of such an institute, and that role
> has certainly evolved over the years. The board has determined it is time
> for us to revisit our mission and role, and especially to invite and trust
> the rest of the community refresh and renew our purpose.
>
> Rather than have a mission statement, we hope instead to have a mission
> question. Or series of questions. What are the most valuable and alive
> questions for our community right now, and for the foreseeable future?
>
> To start the "question storming", here are some questions that have been
> reportedly asked deeply within our community in the early days:
>
> What is Open Space Technology?
> What is Open Space?
> What is Space?
>
> And here are some practical questions that would help guide the OSI-US's
> operations:
>
> How can the OSI-US best support our community?
> How can we best work together with the community to co-create a broad and
> diverse circle of people holding space for open space?
>
> Thanks!
> Harold Shinsato
> on behalf of the Board of the Open Space Institute, U.S.
>
> --
> Harold Shinsato
> har...@shinsato.com
> http://shinsato.com
> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
>
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Re: [OSList] Renewing the Mission of the Open Space Institute U.S.

[paul levy via OSList]

Harold

 A few more questions ...

Warm wishes

Paul


Why are we still calling OST a technology ?

Why is the LAW of two feel a law ?

If the "principles" are not prescriptions but descriptions why are they
called principles ?

How can it possibly take 2 days to "teach"
OST and why would anyone ever want to teach it anyway ?

Why do OST "elders" on the OS list keep advocating dogmatic views about
OST? (Oh yes you do)

What if one less thing to do was facilitation ?

How could OSI begin a humble inquiry into new and valuable ways of opening
space? And learn from them ?

What questions do we need to ask that cannot be formed into latinised words
and phrases ?

Where is open space technology when the world needs to open space most -
right now ?



On Monday, 18 July 2016, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear People of Open Space:
>
> The Open Space Institute of the U.S. has been "holding space for open
> space" since at least 1997. It's origins lie in the summer of 1996, 20
> years ago. In the beginnings, there were many serious conversations in the
> community as to the role and mission of such an institute, and that role
> has certainly evolved over the years. The board has determined it is time
> for us to revisit our mission and role, and especially to invite and trust
> the rest of the community refresh and renew our purpose.
>
> Rather than have a mission statement, we hope instead to have a mission
> question. Or series of questions. What are the most valuable and alive
> questions for our community right now, and for the foreseeable future?
>
> To start the "question storming", here are some questions that have been
> reportedly asked deeply within our community in the early days:
>
> What is Open Space Technology?
> What is Open Space?
> What is Space?
>
> And here are some practical questions that would help guide the OSI-US's
> operations:
>
> How can the OSI-US best support our community?
> How can we best work together with the community to co-create a broad and
> diverse circle of people holding space for open space?
>
> Thanks!
> Harold Shinsato
> on behalf of the Board of the Open Space Institute, U.S.
>
> --
> Harold Shinsato
> har...@shinsato.com 
> http://shinsato.com
> twitter: @hajush 
>
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Re: [OSList] who are the right people

[paul levy via OSList]

Like many of the open space principles, they are true at an archetypal
level. The people who are in the room to get to work together on something
are the people we have. Where attendance in that room is voluntary, we have
a community formed out of freedom, and that commitment means the right
people are in the room. The rightness here is born of free commitment.
There’s also a more pragmatic perspective that says: Here we are, here and
right now, and this is who we have, so let’s get to work!

Some open space facilitators misunderstand this “rightness” and suggest to
participants that we should just accept who is here as the right people and
get on with things, stifling any conversation or regret about who isn’t in
the room. They then present this principle as a kind of dogma as follows:
 Whoever didn’t come, clearly didn’t need to be here. This is a pity as
reflection on who isn’t here and even freely chosen attempts during the
open space event itself to contact those absent and attempt to bring them
into the space, or at least involve them in some way, is then stifled.

Whoever comes are the right people, but that statement isn’t rendered any
less true if we ponder on who isn’t there and at least acknowledge absence.
This can actually be empowering and energising, as long as we don’t stay
away from what we can do together in the room by becoming blocked or
paralysed by who isn’t in the room.

Let me offer a couple of examples to prove this.

Someone doesn’t attend who is ill. They wanted to come. They couldn’t. In
the feeling of the community, this is still one of the “right” people. We
mention them. We might even read out a good will message from them, sent by
text. They might even email a few suggestions for what sessions they might
have offered at the open space, had they been able to attend. We still have
the right people in the room, but we can now imagine an empty chair, and
also fold in what the person who might have occupied that chair might have
brought. This can enhance and raise awareness in the community.

Here’s another example. A key decision maker prioritises a different
meeting from the open space they were intending to attend. A group at the
open space explore a challenge of product redesign and reach a key decision
point halfway through their session that needs the yes or no from the
absent key decision maker. The group acknowledges that absence to each
other. In one case, a member of the group contacts the decision maker and
gets their input remotely, just for five minutes, and the group can then
progress to further action around the product redesign. In another case
they agree to meet with the decision maker as soon as possible after the
open space event and, in the meantime, make a provisional decision, then
proceeding on the assumption that the decision maker will say yes, but also
creating a “plan B” in case of a no.

In both cases there are, at least in one sense, “right” people who are have
not come. Holding them in mind, involving them where possible can help the
space to further open.

So, when introducing the principle “whoever comes are the right people”, it
is important not to present this as “we are the good guys who came, and the
bad guys didn’t so they are irrelevant to our work here” or as “they ain’t
here, now shut up and get over it”. This principle is not there to stifle
either regret or reflection. It is there to affirm the value of being in
the present, and with committing to who and what we have right now. It is
no accident that the people who are here are here. They responded to the
invitation in freedom. Yet we can also “involve” those outside the circle
by filling the empty chairs with creativity and care. “What would John have
said had he been able to be here?” “Is there anyway we can get Steve in for
the afternoon session?”

Don’t fear flexibility and also the notion that presence at an open space
doesn’t only have to be physical.



On Sunday, 12 June 2016, christopher macrae via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> "the people who come are the right people" but sometimes doesnt that
> depend on how much work has been done on the invitation process to include
> all sides including those who may not know they are part of the broeken
> systems
>
> i guess when an open space is about a local community issue its relatively
> simple to see whether everyone has been included but
>
>  my main concern is on issues only global youth can mobilise if
> sustainability is to be our future - and yet while i am interested in
> movements that empower youth  (sytarting with creating jobs) i also see
> sustainability -whether we win it or lose it - as an intergenerational
> compound crisis -
>
> does the generation of trump or clinton understand how much they have
> presided over designing non-sustainable systems?  has mass tv media becomes
> such an intergenerational liar that we no longer have enough bases for
> intergenerational trust?  what 5000 people 

Re: [OSList] OSLIST Poetry Celebration thru June 21

[paul levy via OSList]

We are spreading out to the centre,
Unravelling to the core;
We are flowing in the stillness,
Living less being more.

The space it is opening,
The circle spirals in;
The frozen turns to water,
The frown becomes a grin.




On 7 June 2016 at 14:28, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> It's time to try poetry on the oslist again.
>
> Harrison's first book about open space was NOT about the methodology. It
> was about the ways that people change their view of themselves and the
> world.
>
> He said we can "cross the open space" - from one understanding of
> ourselves and the world - into a new one. Later we learned that OST can
> help us do this, both individually and collectively!
>
> Have you experienced this in your life? Crossing from one understanding to
> another? Watching others do it? Using OST or not? What was the story?
>
> Will you write a short poem about it?
>
> Rules: 33 words or less. Any form is fine, rhyme or not rhyme, any
> language*. "When crossing open space..." is one way to get started, choose
> your way. This paragraph is 33 words.
>
> The poetry celebration will run until June 21 - and then we can choose a
> poet to be Laureate of the list for a while.
>
> Please post your poem to the oslist. (Unless you want to send it to me
> only, so I'll post it without your name.) Have fun reading and writing!
>
> Jeff
> Lagunitas Creek, California
> rjeffait...@gmail.com
>
> *We will ask you for an English translation also - and, we know that
> poetry does not always easily translate.
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Re: [OSList] The Question

[paul levy via OSList]

This was my attempt at this a while back. It still feels relevant to
Daniels's question...

best wishes

Paul Levy

Open Space Technology opens space. That might sound a bit strange, or even
a bit obvious, but bear with me.  I’ve said that for a reason.

In the Open Space Technology community of practitioners and fans I’ve
encountered over the last twenty years, there is a strong behavioural
pattern of not changing the first and original version of Open Space
Technology. Harrison Owen called it a technology – it is a way of doing
something that does this: opens space. SO why change it? If it ain’t broke,
don’t fix it.

Open Space Technology, as you’ll find it taught today, is just about
exactly the same as it was back in the ’80s.

Now, back to “Open Space Technology opens space”. What on earth does that
mean?

It opens space for a conversation. It opens space for self-organised
exploration of an issue of importance to a community. It opens space for
getting things done. And often a hell of a lot of things do get done from
an Open Space event.

There sits a group in a circle, and when the space opens and they
self-organise, using the minimal structure of the Open Space Technology
process (marketplace, principles, rules etc), all kinds of stuff then
bursts into the physical space from the previously hidden world of Spirit,
(Or Potential, if you prefer), realising all kinds of action in space and
time. In other words, practical, useful and usable action results. Open
Space Technology has achieved that again and again and again and again and
again and … (insert tens of thousands of ‘agains’ here). No, it really has.

So, as I said, Open Space Technology er… opens space.

Over the years, this hardly changed technology has added a new principle,
and tinkered with the wording here or there. Anticlockwise “walking of the
circle” has crept in, and the odd talking stick has popped up, and an
Eastern gong brings back attention to the circle. But, at its core, Open
Space Technology is a technology that has never had (nor, according to its
fan base) needed, an upgrade.

Indeed, whenever an upgrade has been suggested, the elders in the Open
Space movement tend to sigh knowingly and then kindly offer “Aw, shaddup
and open some space already!”. If that sounds like a generalisation, I
invite you to read the Open Space discussion list over the years and you’ll
find plenty of evidence of “don’t change a thing”.

Suggestions for change will come and go with the passing of mortal
facilitators, but Open Space technology is either as timeless as love, or
will pass away, unchanged, in its own good time.

At recent OSONOSes (What is THAT?, I hear you ask – it’s an Open Space
meeting ON Open Space!), I discovered that a lot of people like the fact
that Open Space Technology is largely still below the radar of mainstream
organisational intervention and meeting theory. It quietly piles up its
tally of successfully opened spaces without much care for detailed research
into its practice and efficacy. It lies largely outside of journal based
scrutiny, and, most of all, it lies beyond innovation and tinkering with
its own process. Yet at two recent OSonOses I met a significant number of
people who do adapt it, change it, innovate it, and they still find that,
not surprisingly – space still opens! They feel as bit sad that its a
golden field of practice that doesn’t seem to want to lovingly question its
foundations. As a result, what should have been a changing, organic
building, has turned into a temple that moves only its pot plants around.

Yet space still opens. Of course it does. You see, Open Space technology
opens space. But so do a bunch of other gorgeous and eloquent processes.
And sometimes (and I heard more than a few stories confirming this),
dogmatically unchanged Open Space Technology limits the opening of space.
The officionados would claim that it is never Open Space Technology that
limits the opening of space, but a bunch of other factors. It’s the
sponsor’s fault, or the facilitator should have done X or Y differently.
They usually sigh at the facilitator and say “Get over it, and just stick
to the knitting”.

This is all very (annoyingly) general, I know. But I’ll keep to that and
see if the generality resonates with anyone reading this for now.

I’ve written in detail, elsewhere on this site, how and why dogmatic use of
Open Space Technology can inhibit and limit the opening of space.

I do believe there are archetypal elements in Open Space Technology that
are pretty timeless or, at least, standing up pretty well in terms of
relevance and applicability, to the test of Time’s passage. Archetypes tend
towards timelessness.

In Action Learning, for example, reflection on action is a pretty timeless
archetype. As Action  Learning has evolved into a range of approaches, that
core concept of the “learning cycle” of conceptualisation, experimentation,
action and reflection,  seems to stay relevantly at the core of all the

Re: [OSList] What's Open Space got to do with Group Relations?

[paul levy via OSList]

Pooh and the Blue Hat




Pooh learns the difference between Forwards and Backwards.


Pooh and the Blue Hat

When Pooh awoke each morning he always stretched his paws in all of the
directions he could, yawned a very large yawn, turned over, pulled the
blankets tightly about him, and tried to immediately go back to sleep. But
no matter how hard he tried he never did. He never could.

“I never can”, thought Pooh, as he tried, but couldn’t. As he tried, but
didn’t.

Bright sunshine was streaming in through the window and the noises of the
Hundred Acre Wood – the singing of birds and the rustling wind in the trees
announced that it was morning.

“Perhaps if I try one last enormous yawn I shall succeed in dropping off”
thought Pooh. “After all, a yawn is supposed to be an Announcement That One
Is Tired.”

So he yawned. He yawned for a full minute and a half. And when he had
stopped yawning, Pooh realised he was now more wide awake than ever.

“Bother!” said Pooh aloud. “I’m not one bit tired after all. I supposed I
really shall have to get up. Besides, dropping off is not a good thing. If
you do drop off you might land Somewhere Nasty. Bump, bump, bump !”

And with that, he climbed out of bed all the while composing a Very Special
Pooh Bumping Song, about which he was very pleased:

Bump ! Bump ! Bump !
Before Breakfast,
Bump ! Bump ! Bump !
Before tea,
Bump ! Bump ! Bump !
Before dinner,
That’s a bump, bump, bumping life for me !

After a hearty breakfast of muffins with honey, followed by honey with
muffins, Pooh decided to take a walk in the wood. For it really was a
beautiful spring morning.

Stepping out into the warm sunshine Pooh skipped lazily along a narrow
pathway to the winding stream, all the while merrily humming his new song.
As he reached a bend in the path he noticed something bright blue lying in
the long grass beside the path.

“It isn’t a flower.” thought Pooh. “for, if it was a flower, then it would
look like a flower, and surely it doesn’t. So it isn’t.” He really could be
a Very Perceptive Bear for a Bear Of Very Little Brain.

“And it isn’t a mouse.” he further thought. “for, if it was a mouse, then
it would squeak like a mouse, and surely it doesn’t. So it isn’t.” Pooh
sighed. All of this thinking so early in the morning was making him hungry.

But what could it be ?

The Little Bear reached down and picked up the strange object and stared at
it for a long time, turning it over in his paws as he examined it.

At last he exclaimed: “I am not sure what it is, and I am not sure what it
is not, but I do feel a curious urge to wear it on my head.

So he did.

It was a perfect fit. It nestled easily between Pooh’s ears upon the crown
of his furry head, with a brim which settled comfortably at the back.

“I do believe” concluded Pooh, “that what I have found is most definitely a
hat.”

And off he went along the path in search of his friend Piglet to proudly
announce the Arrival of the New Hat Upon His Head.

Pooh found Piglet washing his ears in the stream. Piglet liked to wash his
ears at least once a week, and he liked to wash them in the stream because
the water was cool, but not too cold when it had caught the morning sun for
an hour.

“Morning, Piglet.” said Pooh, by way of announcing his arrival.

But Piglet did not reply for his ears were full of spring water.

“Morning Piglet” Pooh repeated, this time more of a bellow. Piglet almost
leapt into the air, and turned to his friend, drops of water dripping down
his cheeks.

“Ah, good morning Pooh. And how are you this fine morning ?”

“Very well, thank you Piglet. I want you to be the first to celebrate the
Arrival of The New Hat Upon My Head.”

Piglet eyed the blue cap. “It truly is a fine hat, Pooh. A very fine, blue,
Pooh Hat. But tell me, why are you Back to Front ?”

Pooh frowned. “Back to Front ? What is Back to Front ?”

“Er…Back to Front…Front to Back… something to do with Wrong Way Round.”

“Bother!” said Pooh. “What can you mean ?”

Piglet was not very good at explaining things; certainly not something as
complicated as Back to Front. “Perhaps you should ask Rabbit, or Owl.”

“That I shall ! Goodbye Piglet.” said Pooh, and with that, he trudged off
along the path which ran beside the stream, muttering coolly to himself:
“Front to Back – Back to Front. Dear, oh, dear or dear…”

And Piglet returned to washing his ears. They really didn’t need any more
washing, but Piglet did so love doing them !.

Rabbit was hanging out his washing to dry when Pooh marched through the
gate into his garden.’

“Morning Rabbit!” said Pooh.

“Good Morning, Pooh,” replied Rabbit not taking his eyes off his linen
sheets and wooden clothes pegs.

“Well ?” said Pooh.

“Well, what ?” replied Rabbit, disappearing underneath a huge, white bed
sheet.”

“What do you think ?” continued Pooh.

“What do I think ? Well I think a lot a different things. Different things
on different 

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

[paul levy via OSList]

Is this list a tyranny of structurelessness?

On 6 October 2015 at 16:56, Michael Herman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Yes and Daniel, there are the words of a story and the feeling/meaning of
> it. I considered writing a longer message in the telling of this story, but
> I wanted to transmit as much of the spirit/experience of it as I could.
>
> Ralph didn't offer any explanation of his observation that morning. He did
> just like I said, got up in a morning news circle, it was an OTgathering as
> I noted but that doesn't matter, it was open space and morning news. He
> said his piece and sat down. The experience for me, and others I have
> learned only later, was stunning and disorienting, for sure.
>
> I thought to honor and convey this experience through some measure of
> similar brevity in my retelling. Maybe this is what you picked up on. The
> disorienting magic of Ralph's moment.
>
> There are moments in open space of surprise and disconnect, maybe
> frustration or confusion or misunderstanding or disorientation and even
> disappointment that arise in open space. This we all know and have
> experienced. This, to me, is not so much a thing to be solved but the
> nature of the territory. It just is.
>
> Ralph never did explain his statement, as far as I know. He had something
> to say and he said it. That was his only job. After that, each of us had to
> figure out for ourselves what, if anything, to do with his story, to decide
> if it was wisdom or wisecrack. The storyteller, I think, has only the
> responsibility for finding and sharing what's true for him/her.  The rest
> is up to us.
>
> Maybe this points to the learning and challenge that we all have in open
> space, namely learning to trust more and more that we already are always
> included in a flow that is bigger and deeper or whatever than we can see or
> understand or articulate sometimes. Exclusion is the illusion. A little bit
> of errant and temporary mental structure. Discomfort is not a problem (and
> can't be solved by anyone!); it's a trail marker.  Which is to say about
> exclusion and missing out, "welcome!"  The good news is, and the bad news
> is, you're in!  And, it's all still happening Now.
>
> As I scroll up to send tha now, I notice the word tyranny again in the
> subject. Is it not some kind of tyranny we all attempt over and over again
> when we expect and insist that the world explain itself to/for us?  Is this
> not something of our central challenge, something all of us work with?  The
> edge of open space is an end of comfortable, conventional understanding?
> Or something?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Harrison,
>>
>> Thanks for the tips on how to search OSLIST and Google, etc. I did do
>> those things actually. However, that's a bit of an effort, especially
>> searching the OSLIST archives. I guess I could eventually pick up OSLIST
>> culture that way, little by little. I suppose an earnest person with loads
>> of time could sift through OSLIST archives to figure this culture out. The
>> hard way.
>>
>> However, like the SPIRIT book teaches, there is nothing like a good story
>> to convey culture. The kind of story with a beginning, a middle and an end.
>>
>> I notice that, when you are the one referring to a certain OS-mythos
>> story, you usually tend to include the short list of pertinent details, the
>> essential details that provide the essential context, so the reader can
>> follow along, and engage.
>>
>> And I'm always grateful for that, as it helps me to follow along, and get
>> what you are referring to, and more fully understand the story, and feel
>> oddly included in the story.
>>
>>
>> Earlier, I express how not having the context tends to (for me) arouse
>> feelings of: exclusion, cluelessness, and a general lack of membership in
>> whatever "historic-OS-mythos-episode" is being referred to. Sort of an "out
>> group" feeling. You know? Sometimes, I wonder what the poster might be
>> thinking by posting random fragments of a "you had to be there" kind of
>> story. Other times, I wonder if other readers are also feeling these
>> feelings. Or if it is "just me."
>>
>> And so: I am very grateful for your stories, in part because you include
>> the pertinent details, and in so doing, make me (for one) feel included.
>>
>> So thanks for including the context in your stories. It makes them fun,
>> and easy to follow. OSLIST culture certainly has it's quirks, and for me,
>> your stories make this culture easier to figure out, and navigate, and
>> enjoy.
>>
>>
>> Getting back to the Tyranny of Structurelessness:
>>
>> Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually true? Do these
>> ideas have legs?
>>
>>- *This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of
>>"structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures,
>>only formal 

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

[paul levy via OSList]

I rather like the saying "Trying to understand yourself is like trying to
bite your own teeth."

The statement "Structure is s figment of our imagination" is simply a
structured statement.

Indeed all advocacy is at least temporary structure.

And no less beautiful for that.

Saying it's all flow is another structure statement. By advocating it is
true it becomes a truth structure.

Ho hum. So it goes.

"There can be no river unless the mountain spring makes a sacred promise to
the sea."

Warm wishes

Paul Levy

On Sunday, 4 October 2015, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> “Everything is moving.”   Michael -- I remember that moment very well.
> And Dan, I’m not sure the context, etc, would help very much. But just for
> the record the odd phrase popped out at one of the International Symposia
> on Organization Transformation which happened to be taking place at a small
> college south of Seattle. I have no idea why Ralph said what he did, and
> I’m not sure Ralph did either. But then again a lot of marvelous stuff
> seems to burst out with no obvious logic train. Indeed it may be that the
> lack of logic train enables the thought?
>
>
>
> Whatever the genesis, the phrase wandered about my head for some time,
> quite unattached, and it also happened that I was working my way slowly
> through one of the masterpieces of 20th century western philosophy when a
> fuzzy connection began to form. The work was that of Alfred North
> Whitehead, and the title: “Process and Reality.” I’ve been through the book
> probably 4-5 times, and I am frank to confess that I don’t think I really
> understand it. But then again I’ve heard  a number of people with much
> greater credentials, tenure, etc – say the same thing. But I did get that
> it had something to do with, “Everything is moving.” And the more I thought
> and read, the more I felt that the good philosopher had made a small
> mistake on his title. It shouldn’t be “Process *and* Reality,” but rather
> “Process *is* Reality.”
>
>
>
> Now, Anna Caroline we come to “structure,” or perhaps I should say the
> fallacy of Structure? Yes I know – we’ve all been taught that structure is
> the precursor, the “determinator” of everything. My face looks as it does
> because of my bone structure. My life proceeds the way it does because of
> my social structure. My business works as it does because of the
> organizational structure. And of course, meetings happen the way they do
> because of meeting structure, which apparently is the prime domain of
> “facilitators.” And even if we hadn’t been “taught” all this, the primacy
> of structure would appear to be blatantly obvious – as plain as the nose on
> your face.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, it does seem to turn out that sometimes the blatantly
> obvious is not necessarily so. For example just looking at things it is
> pretty clear that the world is flat, or at the least bumpy flat. And any
> fool can see that we are the center of it all – Sun, moon, and stars whiz
> around us.  But when we think about it, as we have been doing for the last
> 500-600 years, the obvious isn’t so obvious.
>
>
>
> It is reasonable to ask what would start to make us think differently – to
> the point that we begin to question the obvious, and even come to see
> things in a different way? Taking a leap, I will suggest that it all begins
> with the perception of anomaly. Things just don’t make sense. Our eyes tell
> us one thing... but And then we start making up stories to explain the
> apparently unexplainable. We imagine different ways of looking at things so
> that the nonsensical makes sense. Some of those stories get pretty strange,
> but if they actually work – that is to say, help us to see in new and
> useful ways – that’s great!
>
>
>
> There is, of course, a proper term for the activity I have been
> describing. It is called Theory Building. And for whatever it is worth,
> “theory” comes from the Greek “*theorein”* – to see. In a word, theories
> are ways of looking at things – likely stories you might say.
>
>
>
> Now, at long last (too long?) we come to the odd story I was starting to
> tell, to the effect that Structure is only a figment of our imagination, a
> flash frame of a moment gone by. Interesting, and helpful under some
> circumstances... but always partial and in a sense illusory. What’s
> “really” happening is all flow. Everything is moving – That’s Ralph’s
> story, and I guess it is mine too.
>
>
>
> So how did I get to such a weird condition? It was all about anomaly –
> more particularly, the anomaly of Open Space. Everything that I had ever
> learned told me that it could not work. Unfortunately it did (work) – and
> not just once, but every time, hundreds of thousands of times. Something
> was definitely weird. It seemed to me that I had to re-consider all those
> things I thought I had learned, beginning with the basics... such things as
> Structure.
>
>
>
> Common sense would say 

Re: [OSList] Inviting non-invitation

[paul levy via OSList]

>
>
> Daniel
>
> PS Ron, nice suit !
>
>
>
>
> On 9/1/15 11:22 AM, Ron Quartel wrote:
>
> This debate happens in the world of agile also. Specifically when we talk
> about Extreme Programming over Scrum. Should a team be told to do the
> Extreme Programming practices or do we invite them to try them is a debate
> that rages again and again. (Extreme programming is a very disciplined way
> of developing software while scrum prescribes no disciplines.)
>
>
>
> The challenge with Extreme Programming is that the practices are counter
> intuitive and many will find them distasteful. E.g. why do I have to pair
> program with a junior developer? That will slow me down and we will get
> less work done.
>
>
>
> I don't claim to have an answer to force vs. invite but I can share my
> story on how I came to love Extreme Programming (XP).
>
>
>
> XP was forced on my dev team. We were given a new dev manager who said we
> are going to do XP. If you didn't like it you can use the law of two feet
> to leave the company. (Not those words exactly but I'm sure you get the
> drift.) Now I loved the team I was with, the place I worked and the work we
> were doing but absolutely hated XP. But I promised to give it six months
> and if the team had not decided that XP was a load of rubbish and were
> still doing it after 6 months I will leave and find another job where
> sanity still rained. I hated everything about XP and agile and it took me
> way out of my comfort zone as a software developer. But then somewhere
> during the six months the sense of it started to dawn on me and I actually
> started enjoying it. By the end of six months I was a fan and am now an
> evangelist for XP. I like finding the haters and assure them it's OK to
> hate XP. When they get it, they become the biggest advocates.
>
>
>
> So was it wrong to have XP forced on me? I will leave that up to you to
> decide. I often wonder if I would have ever come around to agile and
> especially XP if it had not been forced on me.
>
>
>
> An analogy I have to learning XP is learning downhill skiing. There is a
> point where you have to do the unintuitive and lean down the slope. Your
> body is screaming NO but your ski instructor is telling you that is how you
> do it. Turns out he is right but you have to get through that disbelief and
> discomfort to get to the other side. OK that is forcing myself after he
> invited me to try it - so maybe there needs to be a little of both?
>
>
>
> Ron Quartel
>
> FAST Agile <http://fast-agile.com/> - An agile software process
> incorporating Open Space Technology
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org');>> wrote:
>
> "Is it accurate to say that some self organizing happens by invitation and
> some happens by coercion/force? "
>
>
>
>
> Great question Lucas!
>
>
> The [invitation] wall-poster you suggest feels wall-worthy to me, so long
> as no one is obligated to examine it... or even look at it.
>
>
> My turn to ask a question: What might a world "void of manipulation" and
> "replete with invitation" actually look like?
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 8/31/15 9:57 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Is it accurate to say that some self organizing happens by invitation and
> some happens by coercion/force?
>
>
>
> For example, from the perspective of someone who lives outside of Iraq,
> the way the Ba'ath Party took charge of Iraq through a coup seems like an
> example of self-organizing by force to us, because we're outside the system
> of Iraq.  I welcome some thoughts on this.
>
>
>
> Over the past few months (and working with Michael Herman for VOSonOS)
> I've seen that the spirit of invitation shouldn't end with the writing of
> the invitation, and instead it should be present throughout the open
> space.  When someone posts a topic on the marketplace wall, they are
> inviting others to a conversation, not taking over a time slot (like having
> a coup and taking over a small country).
>
>
>
> When someone wants to be a "dictator" of their open space session, yes
> others can use their two feet and walk out, but that comes at a cost to the
> social fabric of the organization.  A better outcome would be that the
> would-be dictator holds a welcoming space from the start.  So I'd recommend
> that another sign worth posting on the wall near "Law of Two Feet" would be
> "Spirit of Invitation".  I think it's wall-worthy, do you?
>
>
&g

Re: [OSList] Fall Reflections

[Paul Levy via OSList]

I think the clue lies in the wonderful word "self".

We are the selves that organise.

Beautiful.




> On 31 Aug 2015, at 09:51, Arno Baltin via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> :)
> 
> Arno
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 2015-08-30 22:16 GMT+03:00 Harrison via OSList 
> :
>> There comes a moment here in Maine when the season turns. It is not a 
>> gentle, creep up on you quietly, sort of thing. It is an all at once, very 
>> suddenly, kind of thing. There is a change in the light, a different smell 
>> on the wind, a chill on the air. Fall. It’s here. Ending. Beginning. Now. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A time of reflections.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It has taken me a lifetime of living. But. I have learned two things, or 
>> maybe better, come to two conclusions. 1) All Systems are open. 2) All 
>> systems are self organizing.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> All Systems are Open is a complicated way of saying that everything is 
>> connected, including all the things that aren’t really a “thing,” which we 
>> don’t even know about. The net result is an infinite complexity which is 
>> completely unthinkable. And what you can’t think, you surely can’t control. 
>> So much for THAT vain hope.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> All Systems are self Organizing -- I know of no way of actually proving this 
>> one, but it does seem a natural concomitant of the first conclusion. If you 
>> find yourself in an infinitely complex and interconnected environment, where 
>> nobody is, or can be, in control, such systems as are there, must have 
>> pretty well gotten themselves together all by themselves. Of course there 
>> are a number of people who are sure that God did it, and personally I don’t 
>> have any real problem with that. But ascribing it all to divine agency 
>> doesn’t help us very much. We still don’t have much control and the systems 
>> around us, including those we think we organized, have a source other than 
>> our selves. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Life under the conditions described above (Open, Self Organizing Systems) 
>> can seem a little peculiar to some people, but it is not so much irrational 
>> as different. Certain “strange” things always seem to happen. For example, 
>> Whoever comes are the right people, whatever happens is the only thing that 
>> could have, wherever it happens is the right place, whenever it happens is 
>> the right time, and when it is over it is over. Always works out  that way, 
>> so I’ve found.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> All this appears conducive to a very passive existence. Not much for us to 
>> do. And the truth of the matter is that doing less always seems to 
>> accomplish a great deal more. That said, there is one thing that we really 
>> have to do. Follow the Law of Two Feet! Strange sort of law which says – If 
>> ever you find yourself in a situation in which you are neither learning or 
>> contributing, you must move your two feet until you find yourself a new 
>> place where you can do the one, the other, or preferably, both. In a few 
>> words: Follow your passion and take responsibility for it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It took 80 years. Fun!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Harrison
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
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>>  
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Re: [OSList] Zappos Being Zapped

[paul levy via OSList]

This is a good read, from an axademic writer:

https://theconversation.com/goodbye-to-bosses-zappos-is-biting-off-more-than-it-can-shoe-21821

regards

paul

On 20 July 2015 at 14:24, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Michael, thank you for the story and the link.
 yes, I can imagine the power of doing OST twice a year for many years!
 Awesome...

 Harrison, thank you for your directness. I particularly appreciated
 reading this: I have received calls from all sorts of people, senior
 executives to the shop floor,  telling me that they now knew that life
 where they were was impossible and they had to leave, and could I help.

 Seems like this is a byproduct of any process that opens space in an
 effective way...
 and no, I don't think it's depressing at all.

 Rosa



 *Rosa Zubizarreta*

 *www.DiaPraxis.com http://www.DiaPraxis.com*

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Michael M Pannwitz mmpannw...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Dear Rosa,

 one of my clients employed OST in his organisation on two different
 levels every year over a decade. That meant two OSTs per year. In addition
 he in turn initiated several OST events in his client system and sponsored
 trainings for OST facilitators on a European level.

 He is the only one that I know of who recorded the effects of OST in his
 organisation and the extended system it operates in under several aspects.

 You can study it in a six-language ebook which is available here


 https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book


 Harrison wrote the preface and someone supplied a brief summary part of
 which I quote here:

 As dictated structure, external control and traditional leading are
 reduced, selforganisation can more freely unfold, bringing into play the
 vast resources of everyone involved in the Agency. Without consulting firms
 that cost a lot of money and have no lasting effect, organizations evolve
 resilient structures and processes that equip them to navigate in a sea of
 constant change. And they do this on their own.

 Have a great day... and, by the way, to see the effect of Mandating
 stuff is a recipe for disaster. on a large system scale look at the Greek
 tragedy unfolding presently

 mmp


 On 18.07.2015 16:13, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList wrote:

 Daniel, I hear you mention repeatedly, that mandating stuff doesn't work.

 I fully agree with you.
 Mandating stuff is a recipe for disaster.
 I agree.

 What's happening at Zappo's is nuts.
 I agree.

 I also agree with Harrison about the power and prevalence of the
 informal organization, everywhere.
 And, about the power of Open Space Technology to offer a speeded up,
 concentrated experience of self-organization in action.

 what I was curious about (and I realize I didn't express it so
 clearly...) was about what happens /after/ OST events...

 I'm curious to know, whether people in the organizations you know,
 generally remain content with having the hierarchical
 patterns and flows of energy remain in place (maybe as a sort of
 decoy??) while the informal organization continues in a more energized
 manner...

 or, if you have seen sometimes, a self-organizing move to create a
 pattern or flow of energy that flash-framed, looks different than a
 triangle.

 (again.. NOT like what happened at Zappos. NOT mandated from above.)

 I realize I have been making a (possibly unfounded) assumption that this
 is not happening very much.
 And, it may be that I am just uninformed...

 Another way of wording it...
 I'm curious to learn about instances where the
 already-happening-everywhere-self-organization,
 after being speeded up and concentrated via OST,
 leads to new structures (i.e. freeze-framed patterns and flows of
 energy)
 that look different than the older ones.

 Feels like a valid question to me,
 yet not sure if this is the place to ask it...

 and, I am still sad that the tragically flawed circus at Zappos is
 giving participatory management a bad name.
 I do wish they had listened to you, Daniel.

 And/ or, to anyone else who might have helped them understand,
 that it's crazy-making and doomed to mandate participation.

 with all best wishes,

 Rosa


 /Rosa Zubizarreta
 /
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 http://www.conflict2creativity.com
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 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

 wrote:

 I join Harrison is what he is saying.

 ...if we want a speeded up, concentrated experience of self
 organization in action, we know what to do.

 One time on the phone talking about this, 

Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[paul levy via OSList]

Harrison

You had everything to do with it. You were there, and it could never
happened without you, for you are it-self.


Warm wishes

Paul

On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Michael Herman via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 i want to add something to what you're saying about acting UPON the system
 and acting IN the system, paul.  i think there's a third way.

 it's common, as you say, for people to separate and try to have some
 effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system.  we call it managing,
 directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is the same
 even if we're trying to improve open space.  it's all outside and
 unsatisfied.  then there is, as you say, acting IN the system.  people
 announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on.

 the third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of
 practice, maybe even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?).  the third
 way is when little individual separate selves manage to speak up AS the
 Self.  this is just the opposite of the manager self attempting to speak
 for the Self.

 in those moments, mostly fleeting, of necessity, because it's hard to hold
 that form, hard to stay on that wave, (or maybe because there's often so
 little that can or must be said or done), when we speak AS the gathered
 Self, we are still our selves, but our selves are not in charge.  we do and
 become things, as harrison suggests, that we might not otherwise choose or
 intend or even want.  but whatever happens...

 the wave of Self picks us up and moves us AND we are that wave.  we must
 always and everywhere be holding space for ourselves and diving for cover
 in Self, or is that holding space for ourSelves and diving for cover in
 self?  grin










 --

 Michael Herman
 Michael Herman Associates
 http://MichaelHerman.com
 http://OpenSpaceWorld.org


 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Harrison via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist@lists.openspacetech.org'); wrote:

 Paul... Being the contrarian that I am, I rather think that the “Self” in
 question is -- itself -- a product of self organization. Weird, I guess –
 but that has definitely been my life experience.  The “self” that I am
 definitely was not the product of my intent or design. It may not have
 happened “all by itself,” but I didn’t have too much to do with it, as
 least as I am aware. How about those bananas?



 Harrison



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 Harrison



 I do like this little phrase organising - all by itself



 I've wondered, via this list, before: what is this self that organises?



 When, I stand, as a self (called Paul) and behold the world process (in
 which I stand) - I stand apart as the beholder, but also behold the wonder
 that I am part of that world process as well.



 Apart and belonging. the universe seems to have within it, an ability to
 behold its-self. (Itself - Its self)



 Here's a poem I wrote a while back, in a little book called The Poetry of
 Change:



 Cleft...



 Like a cleft stick

 You are no longer

 Whole

 See?

 Yet even

 Whole

 You were ripped from

 A tree.



 It's easy to forget that the ability to behold self-organisation and to
 share it so eloquently on this list, as Harrison does, requires a self to
 behold it (and to know it is a self doing the beholding). When we behold
 self-organisation, we necessarily behold ourselves at the same time.
 Self-organisation is an act of self organisation (not the lack of a hyphen
 in the second one). Organisation is beautiful and the distaste for it is
 silly and pointless. Because organisation and self-organisation are one and
 the same thing.



 There is a form of organisation however where the self imposes its
 temporarily separate will onto other selves and, in the process forgets
 itself. It forgets that it is  part of the system it is imposing its will
 upon. There can be many reasons for this which I won't go into here. When
 one or more selves forget they are part of the thing they are imposing
 their will on, the whole system can go into a state of suffering because it
 temporarily loses its wholeness. This can happen in a conference when a
 small group of selves impose an agenda on the whole

[OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[paul levy via OSList]

That's beautiful, Harrison.

You were indeed there. If you weren't there, the universe would not exist.

Self-organisation is the world-process organising itself. And human beings
cannot disappear from it even if they think they have vanished.

Not having a plan is organising not to have a plan. Even saying that isn't
true for you is organising the act of saying it.

It isn't all self-organisation. It's all organisation. Orgenisation upon
itself, in itself, of itself and its'-self.

Humility isn't minimal - it is benevolently cataclysmic

Looking for one less thing to do is a curiousity-led act of looking.

Always opening space for open space...

Paul

On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Harrison hho...@verizon.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hho...@verizon.net'); wrote:

 Paul – I cannot dispute that something called “Harrison Owen” was present.
 But I was just giving you an “inside report” of my experience. I never
 doubted my presence, but how, why, or for what purpose I showed up remained
 pretty much of a constant mystery to me prospectively. Retrospectively it
 all seems to make some sort of sense, and with a little effort I can spin a
 marvelous tale. Or at least I enjoy it.



 Specifically, I never got a job that I went after. I never went after a
 job that I got. I did “choose” a career, but that blew up in the first few
 years. Very honestly, I always seems to be well on my way to the next part
 of my life before I had even a small clue. Talk about life plan. Is that
 self organization? I don’t know, but it works for me.



 Harrison



 Winter Address

 7808 River Falls Drive

 Potomac, MD 20854

 301-365-2093



 Summer Address

 189 Beaucaire Ave.

 Camden, ME 04843

 207-763-3261



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 Harrison



 You had everything to do with it. You were there, and it could never
 happened without you, for you are it-self.





 Warm wishes



 Paul

 On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Michael Herman via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 i want to add something to what you're saying about acting UPON the system
 and acting IN the system, paul.  i think there's a third way.



 it's common, as you say, for people to separate and try to have some
 effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system.  we call it managing,
 directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is the same
 even if we're trying to improve open space.  it's all outside and
 unsatisfied.  then there is, as you say, acting IN the system.  people
 announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on.



 the third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of
 practice, maybe even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?).  the third
 way is when little individual separate selves manage to speak up AS the
 Self.  this is just the opposite of the manager self attempting to speak
 for the Self.



 in those moments, mostly fleeting, of necessity, because it's hard to hold
 that form, hard to stay on that wave, (or maybe because there's often so
 little that can or must be said or done), when we speak AS the gathered
 Self, we are still our selves, but our selves are not in charge.  we do and
 become things, as harrison suggests, that we might not otherwise choose or
 intend or even want.  but whatever happens...



 the wave of Self picks us up and moves us AND we are that wave.  we must
 always and everywhere be holding space for ourselves and diving for cover
 in Self, or is that holding space for ourSelves and diving for cover in
 self?  grin



















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 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Harrison via OSList 
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 Paul... Being the contrarian that I am, I rather think that the “Self” in
 question is -- itself -- a product of self organization. Weird, I guess –
 but that has definitely been my life experience.  The “self” that I am
 definitely was not the product of my intent or design. It may not have
 happened “all by itself,” but I didn’t have too much to do with it, as
 least as I am aware. How about those bananas?



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Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

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Harrison

I do like this little phrase organising - all by itself

I've wondered, via this list, before: what is this self that organises?

When, I stand, as a self (called Paul) and behold the world process (in
which I stand) - I stand apart as the beholder, but also behold the wonder
that I am part of that world process as well.

Apart and belonging. the universe seems to have within it, an ability to
behold its-self. (Itself - Its self)

Here's a poem I wrote a while back, in a little book called The Poetry of
Change:

Cleft...

Like a cleft stick
You are no longer
Whole
See?
Yet even
Whole
You were ripped from
A tree.

It's easy to forget that the ability to behold self-organisation and to
share it so eloquently on this list, as Harrison does, requires a self to
behold it (and to know it is a self doing the beholding). When we behold
self-organisation, we necessarily behold ourselves at the same time.
Self-organisation is an act of self organisation (not the lack of a hyphen
in the second one). Organisation is beautiful and the distaste for it is
silly and pointless. Because organisation and self-organisation are one and
the same thing.

There is a form of organisation however where the self imposes its
temporarily separate will onto other selves and, in the process forgets
itself. It forgets that it is  part of the system it is imposing its will
upon. There can be many reasons for this which I won't go into here. When
one or more selves forget they are part of the thing they are imposing
their will on, the whole system can go into a state of suffering because it
temporarily loses its wholeness. This can happen in a conference when a
small group of selves impose an agenda on the whole self of the
community. The smaller group of selves have temporarily attempted to place
themselves outside of the whole system of which they are always a part.

When we use open space technology, we restore the wholeness of the system
by allowing each self to act both separately and together in the
world-process. There's a harmony because both beholder and beholded come
closer together and even show themselves as the same thing. The circle
represents its well. It feels like a remembering (Re-membering - we put the
whole body back on again).

What's beautiful about open space is when each of our separate selves gets
up and temporarily acts as if it is separate from the world-self. i want
to lead a session on or I use my my two feet or I become a butterfly.
Not the world temporary. Control is often benevolent when it is transient
asnd temporary.

In Open Space, these passing acts of separate self ('lovely selfishness' I
call it) are very close to the experience of whole self-organisation -
because the circle is strong - self and Self are very close together in a
kind of playful dance.

Also self and Self are close together in Time. We are creating the agenda
as selves and as a collective SELF in an improvisational way. Improvisation
is the way the universe breathes and moves.

In a traditional conference, those little acts of each self (cooking up the
agenda way in advance) becomes separated in time from the agenda that is
experienced together (as a together-self). We act as if our little selves
are separate from the whole. We try to act UPON the system from outside
instead of IN the system. Here organisation becomes something in which
selves role play being separate. There is no circle. The universe if over
there. At best we hold the whole circle or community in imagination.

The day of the conference arrives. If there is energy, self-organisation
manifests anyway and the conversations happen in the coffee breaks. Even in
open space events, where we create the agenda on the day, the conversations
happen in the coffee breaks. we even create our own extra or different
coffee breaks outside the formal timings, using our two feet.

Oh no. I beg to differ. Self-organisation doesn't happen all by itself.
Self-organisation happens out of itself. And itself is a beautiful thing.
Self-organisation is a process of ORGANISATION. In the human realm it
happens as an act of synchronous improvisation. We organise and we control
but we just do it closer to the moment and out of an experience of the
whole. Temporary, separate selfishness becomes synonymous with play.
Individuality and Community weave a lemiscate pattern.

Each individual self acts both separately and collectively all of the time.

The universe was made so that human beings could self-organise it.

(Dives for cover)

Paul Levy




On 24 June 2015 at 18:46, Harrison via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Come this 4th of July it will be 30 years since something called Open
 Space Technology happened. At the time, we (that would be me, for sure)
 didn’t have a clue what it was or where it was headed. Since then it seems
 like a lot of good stuff has come down. Of course we need to remember the
 learnings from the ‘60’s – “Never trust anyone over 30.” Well... we 

Re: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people?

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6

On 7 June 2015 at 22:18, Anna Caroline Türk oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
wrote:

 Dear all,

 Please help me do the math: How is the radius of concentric circles with
 300 participants?
 How many rows do you think it will be?

 Thank you!

 much Love
 Anna Caroline


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[OSList] BBC News: When 100 people lift a bus

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Dear all

Another example of open space, with self organisation and a spontaneous 
facilitator 

Regards 

Paul Levy 

I saw this on the BBC News App and thought you should see it:

When 100 people lift a bus

The story of how about 100 strangers lifted a double-decker bus to free a 
unicyclist trapped underneath.
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[OSList] What happens when you bring a conference mindset to an unconference?

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Dear all

I posted this article online (you can read it with the links working here:
https://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/what-happens-when-you-bring-a-conference-mindset-to-a-unconference/
)

A few OS folk suggested I share it here too in case any fruitful thoughts
emerge.

best wishes

Paul levy


*What happens when you bring a conference mindset to an unconference?*

I’ve attended three unconferences in a row recently that all claimed to
make use of open space technology. All three started very promisingly with
some tea and coffee and a big circle of chairs, not to mention reassuringly
blank walls and the smell of sticky tack.

We settle to silence as a facilitator stands up and there are smiles in
some, a sense of anticipatory earnestness in others.

We are told that this conference is going to be different, and that the big
difference is embodied in the two letters “un”. For this is an
unconference, unlike any normal conference, unusual for some, undoing the
traditional models of pre-decided meetings, unplanned, undecided,
unravelling in undesigned ways – in fact, generally “un.”

And that’s why we are here – for an emergent, self-organised conversation.

In all three unconferences, the “conference” bit began quickly to suffocate
and drive out the “un”.

I don’t intend to name and shame these events specifically. But there’s
some possibly useful reflecting to be done for anyone interested in
unconferences and open space.

*Story 1*

In story one, the facilitator over-facilitated the market place, “pushed”
for sessions and seemed unable to cope with silence. This led to the
facilitator looking at “allies” in the circle and hoping with popping
eyesballs that they would get up and offer a session. This indeed happened
and it stifled the more spontaneous potential in the room. The facilitator
fussed around sessions like a mother hen and kept making announcements
about how much time was left for sessions. “Of course, you can go on as
long as you all want, but I just wanted to let you know that….” At the end
of the day, the closing circle was over-facilitated and people were nudged
to speak and the allies were once again picked out like plants in an
audience.

*Story 2*

In this unconference there were half a dozen pre-set keynote talks – five
minutes long each before we opened the circle. This pulverised the energy
in the room and we were promised some more in the afternoon. The
facilitators couldn’t just trust the space to open and had preloaded the
day with some traditional content. Several five minutes turned into ten and
there were Powerpoint bullet points aplenty. It was as if open space
couldn’t be trusted. The  unconference was the filling in a kind of shit
sandwich. On reflection, the keynote talks really had little to bring to
the day and they jarred with the spirit of open space and unconferencing,
almost a facilitated act of hypocrisy. The afternoon sessions in the open
space dwindled and many people left (politely or furtively) at lunchtime. I
sense some irritation at the “designed” and imposed part of the day.

*Story 3*

This was a very dynamic day but the sessions felt a bit “cooked”. This was
because of two unnecessary facilitator interventions. The first was this:
Instead of an open space marketplace, we were all given post-it notes and
had to write our sessions. We then announced them to the group, one by one
and put them on a wall. This meant that silence for some people wasn’t
offered as an option. We were then sent for coffee as the second unneeded
intervention took place. The facilitation team tried to group the topics
and then allocated them (and us) to time slots and rooms. I found myself
twice in a room with so many topics forced together that some issues
weren’t covered and we remained very general. Of course, we were told, we
could use the law of two feet and I did notice that happening more than at
some unconferences I have been to. It took quite a while for those post-it
notes to be grouped and, looking back, I do wonder why the facilitators
didn’t keep faith with the unconference spirit and just let people announce
sessions, times and rooms themselves.

*Reflecting on all three stories*

I had the chance to observe all three stories as a participant. All of the
facilitators were “nice” people. All wanted the day to work and all had
stumbled upon unconferencing at some recent time in their lives. Two had
clearly copied the events they had attended. One had simply chosen to
tinker with open space and add in more facilitation. In all three cases,
the interventions affected the process, I believe, negatively. They did
that by:

*- being too dominant as a “speaker” at the start, and setting themselves
up as leaders*

*- by weaving over-heavy content into the event – unneeded talks, delivered
by bullet point slides*

*- being uneasy, and unable to deal with silence and patient openness*

*- by trying to organise the content and, insodoing, taking ownership of
that 

Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search

[paul levy via OSList]

Well, I agree with Harrison about learning from history. I think the
stories, poems and reflections in the archives have unique value.

Yet I'm also drawn to blank canvases and re-inventing the old without
realising it, as well as the metaphor of the Phoenix. Are we creating myths
about open space that are more dogma than vibrant folklore ? Is the Guide
turning into an Old Testament bible? I hope not. The best archives are the
ones to come, the best history lies up ahead.

The archives feel to me to be both a treasure chest and a cluttered attic.

Just worth exploring ?

Warm wishes

Paul

On Thursday, 26 March 2015, Eleder_BuM eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Paul, could you explain a bit longer your proposal and why you mean it
 ?

 (sorry, being English my third language, I didn´t catch the meaning of *making
 a Phoenix*, though I can imagine a bit,,, )

 Thanks,
 Eleder

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 Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a
 Phoenix ?

 Yours

 Paul


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 Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST
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  Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect
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Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search

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Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a
Phoenix ?

Yours

Paul

On Tuesday, 24 March 2015, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all
 there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back
 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages.
 Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST
 messages.

   Regards,
   Harold

 
  Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect
 you are
  talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is
 normal
  and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we
 expect
  users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!)
 prefers
  search to clicking a dozen times.
 
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume
 

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[OSList] Thought for the day

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Thought for the day: When facilitators are gentle, inept, a bit lost, but
relaxed, the space usually opens wonderfully.

warm wishes

Paul Levy
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[OSList] A Christmas Tale of Self-Organisation

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Dear all

Wishing you a happy winter season, Christmas (if you celebrate it) and
fulfilling New Year.

Below is a little winter tale for Christmas. I wrote it last year - it is
essentially about self-organisation in Nature, particularly enjoying the
essential notion of self.

I hope you enjoy it.

warm wishes

Paul Levy


*The Tale of the Squirrel*

In the heart of the Ashdown Forest stands one of the oldest Oak Trees in
England. Here, Winter settles with its full force, a moon-white frost lying
at dawn until the November sun is high over the Kent horizon, teasing its
way through the thick canopy of trees, bereft of leaves in the late Autumn
cold.

The Oak tree is home to several families of grey squirrels who burrow
through crackling leaves and cold, damp moss hillocks, and mazes of
overgrown roots.

Here, a squirrel of some six summers was foraging for acorns, building his
store for the coming winter, which would bring no snow but much icy rain
and chilling winds which would whip through the forest, creating
fern-swirls, and a furious circle-dance of brown leaves.

The Squirrel already had a place to shelter through the winter though,
since the warming of the land around, his hibernation would be in fits and
starts. Nevertheless, it is secret place of cosy, warmth. Squirrels, more
than any other animal in the forest, can feel cosiness.

On this day, the 30th of November, Winter’s approach is keenly felt by the
animals inhabiting the ancient forest, and the Old Oak knows it in its root
and sap.

*But something terrible has happened.*

The Squirrel of Six Summers who, if he had a name, would be called Mr
Curious, for that would best enfold his particular nature and behaviour, is
in trouble. Whilst foraging among the roots at the foot of the Great Oak, a
branch has fallen, weakened the night before by a pair of barn owls,
resting on their flight back to the farm buildings near Hoathly Hill.

The squirrel’s back leg is trapped – not broken – but Mr Curious cannot
move. For many hours, since the earliest moment of dawn, Mr Curious has
lain, wrapped in a clammy coat of fear, unable to move, now feeling the
chill in his tiny bones. All about him rove fellow squirrels; they look at
him, noses twitching in the icy air, indifferent to his anguish. In a few
days, if the little creature cannot free himself, he’ll be finished, and
there’ll be more acorns for his fellows to store for the coming Winter
season.

Mr Curious pulls and pulls, trying to free his leg, but it is no use. His
companions would try to free him, but it is not in their nature to serve
each other so. Their love is in their fur, not their hearts, and they
cannot direct it, except in the early days of bringing forth their kith and
kin in the dream of golden Spring.

Now, it has begun to rain, and grey Mr Curious is hungry and shivering with
the growing chill. Night is approaching and there will be other fears to be
curious about.

Now listen, and you might hear it!. (Though you’ll hear only its effects,
in the subtle change in the wind’s cry, or the quickening of the rustle of
oaken branches). Something is flying through the air, trunk-height, fast as
a forest fairy, though not a fairy. Usually they do not fly so low; they
drop, like falling stars, tearing past the sunlit side of the moon, arcing
earthwards. They find their mark like a homing bird, or Cupid’s arrow.
Their light can be seen, if you still all of your concerns, a flash of
yellow gold in the corner of your eye. They are like wisps, though they fly
with more purpose, there is no hint of drifting about them.

*For this is the soul of a young girl, a babe not yet born, finding its way
from the fixed stars, looping around the near planets, past the milky moon,
then plunging to earth, before speeding through the clear night air to the
union of its mother- and father-to-be, the moment where spirit spark
ignites passion, and the universe is realised once again, through the
alchemy of the One in All.*

Through Ashdown Forest, you’d see the beam of golden light, flashing
through the trees and skimming below the branches, just above the line of
ferns and gorse bushes. The shimmering sprite-form travels quicker than
sound, though slower than light, and would dance past the great Oak Tree,
oblivious to the plight of poor Mr Curious, his bushy grey tail now sodden
and bedraggled in the driving rain of November.

Dance past it would, but it halts in its flight of purpose; for a fleeting
moment it stays its course. For each soul, coming to conception is unique,
bearing with it its own unfolding story. And this soul bears, amid its
bright-golden sheen, a hint of violet, the hue of compassion.

As the spirit-child stops, mid-air, the rain ceases its fall, droplets
hanging like jewels on a chandelier. The air itself comes to peace, and a
golden light spreads over the Old Oak, across the leafy mulch, over the
little grey squirrel in pain, and through the hearts of a host of squirrels
nearby. In the time it 

[OSList] A Christmas Tale of Self-Organisation

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear all

Wishing you a happy winter season, Christmas (if you celebrate it) and
fulfilling New Year.

Below is a little winter tale for Christmas. I wrote it last year - it is
essentially about self-organisation in Nature, particularly enjoying the
essential notion of self.

I hope you enjoy it.

warm wishes

Paul Levy


*The Tale of the Squirrel*

In the heart of the Ashdown Forest stands one of the oldest Oak Trees in
England. Here, Winter settles with its full force, a moon-white frost lying
at dawn until the November sun is high over the Kent horizon, teasing its
way through the thick canopy of trees, bereft of leaves in the late Autumn
cold.

The Oak tree is home to several families of grey squirrels who burrow
through crackling leaves and cold, damp moss hillocks, and mazes of
overgrown roots.

Here, a squirrel of some six summers was foraging for acorns, building his
store for the coming winter, which would bring no snow but much icy rain
and chilling winds which would whip through the forest, creating
fern-swirls, and a furious circle-dance of brown leaves.

The Squirrel already had a place to shelter through the winter though,
since the warming of the land around, his hibernation would be in fits and
starts. Nevertheless, it is secret place of cosy, warmth. Squirrels, more
than any other animal in the forest, can feel cosiness.

On this day, the 30th of November, Winter’s approach is keenly felt by the
animals inhabiting the ancient forest, and the Old Oak knows it in its root
and sap.

*But something terrible has happened.*

The Squirrel of Six Summers who, if he had a name, would be called Mr
Curious, for that would best enfold his particular nature and behaviour, is
in trouble. Whilst foraging among the roots at the foot of the Great Oak, a
branch has fallen, weakened the night before by a pair of barn owls,
resting on their flight back to the farm buildings near Hoathly Hill.

The squirrel’s back leg is trapped – not broken – but Mr Curious cannot
move. For many hours, since the earliest moment of dawn, Mr Curious has
lain, wrapped in a clammy coat of fear, unable to move, now feeling the
chill in his tiny bones. All about him rove fellow squirrels; they look at
him, noses twitching in the icy air, indifferent to his anguish. In a few
days, if the little creature cannot free himself, he’ll be finished, and
there’ll be more acorns for his fellows to store for the coming Winter
season.

Mr Curious pulls and pulls, trying to free his leg, but it is no use. His
companions would try to free him, but it is not in their nature to serve
each other so. Their love is in their fur, not their hearts, and they
cannot direct it, except in the early days of bringing forth their kith and
kin in the dream of golden Spring.

Now, it has begun to rain, and grey Mr Curious is hungry and shivering with
the growing chill. Night is approaching and there will be other fears to be
curious about.

Now listen, and you might hear it!. (Though you’ll hear only its effects,
in the subtle change in the wind’s cry, or the quickening of the rustle of
oaken branches). Something is flying through the air, trunk-height, fast as
a forest fairy, though not a fairy. Usually they do not fly so low; they
drop, like falling stars, tearing past the sunlit side of the moon, arcing
earthwards. They find their mark like a homing bird, or Cupid’s arrow.
Their light can be seen, if you still all of your concerns, a flash of
yellow gold in the corner of your eye. They are like wisps, though they fly
with more purpose, there is no hint of drifting about them.

*For this is the soul of a young girl, a babe not yet born, finding its way
from the fixed stars, looping around the near planets, past the milky moon,
then plunging to earth, before speeding through the clear night air to the
union of its mother- and father-to-be, the moment where spirit spark
ignites passion, and the universe is realised once again, through the
alchemy of the One in All.*

Through Ashdown Forest, you’d see the beam of golden light, flashing
through the trees and skimming below the branches, just above the line of
ferns and gorse bushes. The shimmering sprite-form travels quicker than
sound, though slower than light, and would dance past the great Oak Tree,
oblivious to the plight of poor Mr Curious, his bushy grey tail now sodden
and bedraggled in the driving rain of November.

Dance past it would, but it halts in its flight of purpose; for a fleeting
moment it stays its course. For each soul, coming to conception is unique,
bearing with it its own unfolding story. And this soul bears, amid its
bright-golden sheen, a hint of violet, the hue of compassion.

As the spirit-child stops, mid-air, the rain ceases its fall, droplets
hanging like jewels on a chandelier. The air itself comes to peace, and a
golden light spreads over the Old Oak, across the leafy mulch, over the
little grey squirrel in pain, and through the hearts of a host of squirrels
nearby. In the time it 

[OSList] A Christmas Tale of Self-Organisation

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear all

Wishing you a happy winter season, Christmas (if you celebrate it) and
fulfilling New Year.

Below is a little winter tale for Christmas. I wrote it last year - it is
essentially about self-organisation in Nature, particularly enjoying the
essential notion of self.

I hope you enjoy it.

warm wishes

Paul Levy


*The Tale of the Squirrel*

In the heart of the Ashdown Forest stands one of the oldest Oak Trees in
England. Here, Winter settles with its full force, a moon-white frost lying
at dawn until the November sun is high over the Kent horizon, teasing its
way through the thick canopy of trees, bereft of leaves in the late Autumn
cold.

The Oak tree is home to several families of grey squirrels who burrow
through crackling leaves and cold, damp moss hillocks, and mazes of
overgrown roots.

Here, a squirrel of some six summers was foraging for acorns, building his
store for the coming winter, which would bring no snow but much icy rain
and chilling winds which would whip through the forest, creating
fern-swirls, and a furious circle-dance of brown leaves.

The Squirrel already had a place to shelter through the winter though,
since the warming of the land around, his hibernation would be in fits and
starts. Nevertheless, it is secret place of cosy, warmth. Squirrels, more
than any other animal in the forest, can feel cosiness.

On this day, the 30th of November, Winter’s approach is keenly felt by the
animals inhabiting the ancient forest, and the Old Oak knows it in its root
and sap.

*But something terrible has happened.*

The Squirrel of Six Summers who, if he had a name, would be called Mr
Curious, for that would best enfold his particular nature and behaviour, is
in trouble. Whilst foraging among the roots at the foot of the Great Oak, a
branch has fallen, weakened the night before by a pair of barn owls,
resting on their flight back to the farm buildings near Hoathly Hill.

The squirrel’s back leg is trapped – not broken – but Mr Curious cannot
move. For many hours, since the earliest moment of dawn, Mr Curious has
lain, wrapped in a clammy coat of fear, unable to move, now feeling the
chill in his tiny bones. All about him rove fellow squirrels; they look at
him, noses twitching in the icy air, indifferent to his anguish. In a few
days, if the little creature cannot free himself, he’ll be finished, and
there’ll be more acorns for his fellows to store for the coming Winter
season.

Mr Curious pulls and pulls, trying to free his leg, but it is no use. His
companions would try to free him, but it is not in their nature to serve
each other so. Their love is in their fur, not their hearts, and they
cannot direct it, except in the early days of bringing forth their kith and
kin in the dream of golden Spring.

Now, it has begun to rain, and grey Mr Curious is hungry and shivering with
the growing chill. Night is approaching and there will be other fears to be
curious about.

Now listen, and you might hear it!. (Though you’ll hear only its effects,
in the subtle change in the wind’s cry, or the quickening of the rustle of
oaken branches). Something is flying through the air, trunk-height, fast as
a forest fairy, though not a fairy. Usually they do not fly so low; they
drop, like falling stars, tearing past the sunlit side of the moon, arcing
earthwards. They find their mark like a homing bird, or Cupid’s arrow.
Their light can be seen, if you still all of your concerns, a flash of
yellow gold in the corner of your eye. They are like wisps, though they fly
with more purpose, there is no hint of drifting about them.

*For this is the soul of a young girl, a babe not yet born, finding its way
from the fixed stars, looping around the near planets, past the milky moon,
then plunging to earth, before speeding through the clear night air to the
union of its mother- and father-to-be, the moment where spirit spark
ignites passion, and the universe is realised once again, through the
alchemy of the One in All.*

Through Ashdown Forest, you’d see the beam of golden light, flashing
through the trees and skimming below the branches, just above the line of
ferns and gorse bushes. The shimmering sprite-form travels quicker than
sound, though slower than light, and would dance past the great Oak Tree,
oblivious to the plight of poor Mr Curious, his bushy grey tail now sodden
and bedraggled in the driving rain of November.

Dance past it would, but it halts in its flight of purpose; for a fleeting
moment it stays its course. For each soul, coming to conception is unique,
bearing with it its own unfolding story. And this soul bears, amid its
bright-golden sheen, a hint of violet, the hue of compassion.

As the spirit-child stops, mid-air, the rain ceases its fall, droplets
hanging like jewels on a chandelier. The air itself comes to peace, and a
golden light spreads over the Old Oak, across the leafy mulch, over the
little grey squirrel in pain, and through the hearts of a host of squirrels
nearby. In the time it 

Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[paul levy via OSList]

I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.

And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.

Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number if many
and zero.

I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has tinkered with
the recipe - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot less
on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of open spacer are sharing those
stories elsewhere.

There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
is no founder, there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
things.

Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 13 December 2014 at 16:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
 being reported!

 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ...
 *explore*

 So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
 the OST-7 Game:


 
 *The OST-7** Game*
 

 *The Goal:*
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
 practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

 *The Rules:*
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
 hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
 say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
 color, etc

 *Tracking Progress:*
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
 OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
 absolutely any other measures you like

 *Play:*
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
 to just watch the game, that's OK too.

 



 Notes:

- For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
 - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
 - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


 Steps to Play:

- Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
- Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to
say


 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

 Daniel

 --

 Daniel Mezick, President

 New Technology Solutions Inc.

 (203) 915 7248 (cell)

 Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog
 http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter
 http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

 Examine my new book:  The Culture Game
 http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile
 Manager.

 Explore Agile Team Training
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching.
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/

 Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/
 Community.

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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[paul levy via OSList]

I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.

And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.

Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number if many
and zero.

I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has tinkered with
the recipe - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot less
on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of open spacer are sharing those
stories elsewhere.

There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
is no founder, there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
things.

Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 13 December 2014 at 16:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
 being reported!

 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ...
 *explore*

 So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
 the OST-7 Game:


 
 *The OST-7** Game*
 

 *The Goal:*
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
 practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

 *The Rules:*
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
 hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
 say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
 color, etc

 *Tracking Progress:*
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
 OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
 absolutely any other measures you like

 *Play:*
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
 to just watch the game, that's OK too.

 



 Notes:

- For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
 - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
 - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


 Steps to Play:

- Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
- Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to
say


 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

 Daniel

 --

 Daniel Mezick, President

 New Technology Solutions Inc.

 (203) 915 7248 (cell)

 Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog
 http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter
 http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

 Examine my new book:  The Culture Game
 http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile
 Manager.

 Explore Agile Team Training
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching.
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/

 Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/
 Community.

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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[paul levy via OSList]

I've facilictated around 50 gatherings using Open Space Technology.

And therein lies a possible interesting conundrum.

Because I have open space thousands of times. I have also never opened
space quite like the next time it is going to happen. So the number if many
and zero.

I've also opened space improvising around open space technology. And Open
Space Technology has changed around me. Self-organisation has tinkered with
the recipe - the one in the guide. But that gets talked about a lot less
on this list and, increasingly, a bunch of open spacer are sharing those
stories elsewhere.

There is no such thing as open space technology. There is no guide. There
is no founder, there are no gatekeepers; yet there are all of these
things.

Tomorrow might just be my first ever Open Space.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 13 December 2014 at 16:34, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
 being reported!

 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ...
 *explore*

 So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call it
 the OST-7 Game:


 
 *The OST-7** Game*
 

 *The Goal:*
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7
 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of
 practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

 *The Rules:*
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
 hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to
 say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair
 color, etc

 *Tracking Progress:*
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of
 OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or
 absolutely any other measures you like

 *Play:*
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer
 to just watch the game, that's OK too.

 



 Notes:

- For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
 - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
 - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


 Steps to Play:

- Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
- Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to
say


 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

 Daniel

 --

 Daniel Mezick, President

 New Technology Solutions Inc.

 (203) 915 7248 (cell)

 Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog
 http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter
 http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

 Examine my new book:  The Culture Game
 http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile
 Manager.

 Explore Agile Team Training
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching.
 http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/

 Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/
 Community.

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Re: [OSList] Open Space for my own team

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear Agnieszka

You've probably heard from a lot of people or read in a manual somewhere
that a facilitator shouldn't participate during an open space event.

My view is that it is not always the case. There may be good reasons in a
particular context for the facilitator to remain in a clearly defined and
detached role. In other contexts it is perfectly acceptable for someone to
facilitate the opening of a space and also join in. All they need do is
offer up a session at the marketplace like everyone else.

I facilitate several open space events in Brighton each year where I also
am a participant. To quote Kurt Vonnegut: So it goes.

I've done it many times and heard it done by others.

But where, in the particular local context that might create confusion or
difficulty, it might be better not to.

The underlying principle at work here is that, as soon as the word should
is mentioned in advance of any community's particular and unique open
space, we have possibly cursed the future with the mediocrity of the
present (and the past). When the space opens, whatever happens, happens,
and it will be beautiful. Shoulding in advance is like telling a child
what they ARE going to be when they grow up.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 19 November 2014 07:58, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I really
 would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I shouldn't.
 We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm tryng to
 work this out...

 Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?

 Greets
 Agnieszka


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Re: [OSList] Open Space for my own team

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear Agnieszka

You've probably heard from a lot of people or read in a manual somewhere
that a facilitator shouldn't participate during an open space event.

My view is that it is not always the case. There may be good reasons in a
particular context for the facilitator to remain in a clearly defined and
detached role. In other contexts it is perfectly acceptable for someone to
facilitate the opening of a space and also join in. All they need do is
offer up a session at the marketplace like everyone else.

I facilitate several open space events in Brighton each year where I also
am a participant. To quote Kurt Vonnegut: So it goes.

I've done it many times and heard it done by others.

But where, in the particular local context that might create confusion or
difficulty, it might be better not to.

The underlying principle at work here is that, as soon as the word should
is mentioned in advance of any community's particular and unique open
space, we have possibly cursed the future with the mediocrity of the
present (and the past). When the space opens, whatever happens, happens,
and it will be beautiful. Shoulding in advance is like telling a child
what they ARE going to be when they grow up.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 19 November 2014 07:58, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I really
 would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I shouldn't.
 We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm tryng to
 work this out...

 Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?

 Greets
 Agnieszka


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Re: [OSList] Open Space for my own team

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear Agnieszka

You've probably heard from a lot of people or read in a manual somewhere
that a facilitator shouldn't participate during an open space event.

My view is that it is not always the case. There may be good reasons in a
particular context for the facilitator to remain in a clearly defined and
detached role. In other contexts it is perfectly acceptable for someone to
facilitate the opening of a space and also join in. All they need do is
offer up a session at the marketplace like everyone else.

I facilitate several open space events in Brighton each year where I also
am a participant. To quote Kurt Vonnegut: So it goes.

I've done it many times and heard it done by others.

But where, in the particular local context that might create confusion or
difficulty, it might be better not to.

The underlying principle at work here is that, as soon as the word should
is mentioned in advance of any community's particular and unique open
space, we have possibly cursed the future with the mediocrity of the
present (and the past). When the space opens, whatever happens, happens,
and it will be beautiful. Shoulding in advance is like telling a child
what they ARE going to be when they grow up.

warm wishes

Paul Levy

On 19 November 2014 07:58, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I really
 would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I shouldn't.
 We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm tryng to
 work this out...

 Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?

 Greets
 Agnieszka


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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

[paul levy via OSList]

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 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:37 AM, paul levy via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

 Ho hum.

 Paul Levy




 On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
 Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
 case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
 dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
 simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
 exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
 did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
 my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
 Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
 extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
 was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
 circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
 and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.


 I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
 of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
 may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
 essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
 about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
 embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
 with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
 reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
 told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
 strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.


 Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of
 that world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no
 longer so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now
 almost mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is
 now time to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
 purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
 permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.


 I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
 sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
 may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
 Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
 High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
 Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
 united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
 in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
 obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.


 We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
 heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
 good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.


 So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
 of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
 of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
 birthright. They only have to claim it.


 Harrison




 Winter Address

 7808 River Falls Drive

 Potomac, MD 20854

 301-365-2093


 Summer Address

 189 Beaucaire Ave.

 Camden, ME 04843

 207-763-3261


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 www.openspaceworld.com http://%20www.openspaceworld.com/

 www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

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 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:37 AM, paul levy via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

 Ho hum.

 Paul Levy




 On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
 Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
 case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
 dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
 simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
 exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
 did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
 my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
 Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
 extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
 was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
 circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
 and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.


 I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
 of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
 may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
 essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
 about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
 embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
 with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
 reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
 told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
 strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.


 Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of
 that world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no
 longer so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now
 almost mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is
 now time to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
 purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
 permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.


 I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
 sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
 may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
 Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
 High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
 Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
 united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
 in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
 obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.


 We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
 heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
 good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.


 So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
 of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
 of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
 birthright. They only have to claim it.


 Harrison




 Winter Address

 7808 River Falls Drive

 Potomac, MD 20854

 301-365-2093


 Summer Address

 189 Beaucaire Ave.

 Camden, ME 04843

 207-763-3261


 Websites

 www.openspaceworld.com http://%20www.openspaceworld.com/

 www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

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 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:37 AM, paul levy via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

 Ho hum.

 Paul Levy




 On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
 Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
 case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
 dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
 simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
 exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
 did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
 my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
 Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
 extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
 was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
 circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
 and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.


 I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
 of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
 may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
 essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
 about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
 embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
 with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
 reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
 told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
 strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.


 Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of
 that world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no
 longer so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now
 almost mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is
 now time to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
 purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
 permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.


 I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
 sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
 may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
 Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
 High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
 Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
 united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
 in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
 obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.


 We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
 heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
 good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.


 So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
 of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
 of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
 birthright. They only have to claim it.


 Harrison




 Winter Address

 7808 River Falls Drive

 Potomac, MD 20854

 301-365-2093


 Summer Address

 189 Beaucaire Ave.

 Camden, ME 04843

 207-763-3261


 Websites

 www.openspaceworld.com http://%20www.openspaceworld.com/

 www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

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The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

Ho hum.

Paul Levy




On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.



I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.



Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of that
world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no longer
so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now almost
mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is now time
to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.



I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.



We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.



So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
birthright. They only have to claim it.



Harrison







Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093



Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261



Websites

www.openspaceworld.com %20www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

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The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

Ho hum.

Paul Levy




On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.



I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.



Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of that
world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no longer
so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now almost
mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is now time
to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.



I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.



We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.



So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
birthright. They only have to claim it.



Harrison







Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093



Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261



Websites

www.openspaceworld.com %20www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Open Space by the book?

[paul levy via OSList]

The problem with sticking with things is you might just end up stuck.

Ho hum.

Paul Levy




On 13 Nov 2014, at 18:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Open Space, in its “original” form is sparse simplicity to say the least.
Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my
case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple
dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I
simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up
exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I
did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of
my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created.
Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and
extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS
was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a
circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law –
and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.



I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part
of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this
may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated
essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew
about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of
embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds
with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of
reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what  (I was
told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the
strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.



Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of that
world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no longer
so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now almost
mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is now time
to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing
purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and
permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.



I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile
sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think
may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best
Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the
High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is
Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely
united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally
in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to
obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.



We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the
heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely
good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.



So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots
of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom
of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their
birthright. They only have to claim it.



Harrison







Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093



Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261



Websites

www.openspaceworld.com %20www.openspaceworld.com

www.ho-image.com

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Re: [OSList] Fwd: Guerilla Open Space?

[paul levy via OSList]

http://rationalmadness.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/w3.jpg

I wonder if anyone reading this has experiences to share of what I am about
to describe. Most published stories of open space tend to go by the book.
The book is often referred to as the *user *
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm*guide*
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm“, and it tends towards a
process that is largely based on an* instruction manual*
http://elementaleducation.com/wp-content/uploads/temp/OpenSpaceTechnology--UsersGuide.pdf.
Dogmatic application manual can then lead, in my humble opinion, not to one
less thing to do, but often one more thing to do. These are “guides” not
rules, and that is the spirit in which they were written. In many cases,
the user guide proves remarkably resilient and applicable. Yet there is
always the next moment, the new story, the moment that needs something
playful.

There’s a lot in the manual (and the many trainings that have come into
being from it) about sponsors and invitations, and the things that need to
be done before an Open Space to ensure the open spacer er… opens space. I
have no difficulty with the manual. It’s full of good advice and is the
foundation you might just need to open some space. But, hey, what about
this… I’m at a company away day that is looking at product innovation. It
is business critical, and it is floundering. Powerpoint after Powerpoint
has resulted in a stifled audience, and when they get to breakout sessions,
the flipcharts look empty, the energy is low, and it all looks a bit too
quiet. There’s a feeling in the room that the event is dying on its feet.
Several sessions are lost in badly facilitated action planning. I am on the
team and the lead facilitator looks to me for any ideas. It must be because
I am silent and looking knowing and wise.

Actually I’m seething inside at this over-facilitated, over-designed,
overplanned conference crash. Do you mind if I… I ask, a bit pompously and
the lead facilitator is up for whatever help he can get. I leap up, and
step into the mess. I have a loud voice and it can’t get any worse than
this. An idea has just occurred to me and I decide to hurl it into the
cluttered room. “Er, hey.” I roar. “Why don’t we open some space?” I’m
loud. It goes silent.

This is what I say: “This is crap isn’t it?” Silence. “Can everyone bring
their chairs and let’s get into a big circle. Tuts, irritation, doubt and
mostly relief. Two minutes later there’s a big circle.

I introduce open space in about four minutes and quickly crab some flip
chart paper and tack it to the wall, creating four corners at new breakout
spaces.

I ask people to take their chairs with them and, within about ten minutes
we have a whole bunch of different sessions, many based around action.

The bosses in the room are gobsmacked.

We have a two hour open space until wrap up and there’s a huge buzz in the
room from this pop-up open space.

The invite was improvised and spontaneous.

The space opened because it wanted and needed to. It popped up and out as
if it were the most natural thing in the world. It transformed the day and
sent the clutter fleeing for cover. It was done without fuss and chairs
from the main circle quickly went into breakout and back again. The
facilitator team were edgy because they felt they were supposed to be doing
something and I dragged them away for coffee. We chatted a bit about
“emergence” and I was looked on as if I’d done some kind of magic. I was
young and enjoyed the attention. I was also looked as as if I was a bit
weird. Well, I am a bit weird. I do wonder if pop-up open space could and
should happen a lot more.

A lot of open spacers I know loved improvisation and spontaneity, yet when
it comes to open space are a bit locked in the process in the book of
instructions – the manual that tends to overplay the “prep” for the event.
So, I’m waving a flag for pop-up, guerilla open space. Why not open some
space even for the process of open space? Let’s shimmy it a little and see
what falls out.

“Flash mob” open space has, I think, a big future. My intuition tells me a
fair number of facilitators have done it, and a fair few of them haven’t
reported it, telling instead there more “responsible” by-the-book open
space stories. But why not? Why not open some space on the spur of the
moment? The invite is still there -it just takes a hell of a lot shorter.
The opportunity is always there where an over-organised event is
disappearing up its own proverbial…

It is also there in an event that has some inbuilt flexibility. Why not
throw some open space into the flexible mix? But best of all, why not open
space when space is there to be open? Self-organisation is often crying out
for a chance in the midst of failing over-organisation.

So, here’s to some more pop-up open space…
On 11 Nov 2014 19:59, Peggy Holman via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I got the query below from my friend Tom Atlee. It seemed like 

Re: [OSList] Fwd: Guerilla Open Space?

[paul levy via OSList]

http://rationalmadness.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/w3.jpg

I wonder if anyone reading this has experiences to share of what I am about
to describe. Most published stories of open space tend to go by the book.
The book is often referred to as the *user *
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm*guide*
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm“, and it tends towards a
process that is largely based on an* instruction manual*
http://elementaleducation.com/wp-content/uploads/temp/OpenSpaceTechnology--UsersGuide.pdf.
Dogmatic application manual can then lead, in my humble opinion, not to one
less thing to do, but often one more thing to do. These are “guides” not
rules, and that is the spirit in which they were written. In many cases,
the user guide proves remarkably resilient and applicable. Yet there is
always the next moment, the new story, the moment that needs something
playful.

There’s a lot in the manual (and the many trainings that have come into
being from it) about sponsors and invitations, and the things that need to
be done before an Open Space to ensure the open spacer er… opens space. I
have no difficulty with the manual. It’s full of good advice and is the
foundation you might just need to open some space. But, hey, what about
this… I’m at a company away day that is looking at product innovation. It
is business critical, and it is floundering. Powerpoint after Powerpoint
has resulted in a stifled audience, and when they get to breakout sessions,
the flipcharts look empty, the energy is low, and it all looks a bit too
quiet. There’s a feeling in the room that the event is dying on its feet.
Several sessions are lost in badly facilitated action planning. I am on the
team and the lead facilitator looks to me for any ideas. It must be because
I am silent and looking knowing and wise.

Actually I’m seething inside at this over-facilitated, over-designed,
overplanned conference crash. Do you mind if I… I ask, a bit pompously and
the lead facilitator is up for whatever help he can get. I leap up, and
step into the mess. I have a loud voice and it can’t get any worse than
this. An idea has just occurred to me and I decide to hurl it into the
cluttered room. “Er, hey.” I roar. “Why don’t we open some space?” I’m
loud. It goes silent.

This is what I say: “This is crap isn’t it?” Silence. “Can everyone bring
their chairs and let’s get into a big circle. Tuts, irritation, doubt and
mostly relief. Two minutes later there’s a big circle.

I introduce open space in about four minutes and quickly crab some flip
chart paper and tack it to the wall, creating four corners at new breakout
spaces.

I ask people to take their chairs with them and, within about ten minutes
we have a whole bunch of different sessions, many based around action.

The bosses in the room are gobsmacked.

We have a two hour open space until wrap up and there’s a huge buzz in the
room from this pop-up open space.

The invite was improvised and spontaneous.

The space opened because it wanted and needed to. It popped up and out as
if it were the most natural thing in the world. It transformed the day and
sent the clutter fleeing for cover. It was done without fuss and chairs
from the main circle quickly went into breakout and back again. The
facilitator team were edgy because they felt they were supposed to be doing
something and I dragged them away for coffee. We chatted a bit about
“emergence” and I was looked on as if I’d done some kind of magic. I was
young and enjoyed the attention. I was also looked as as if I was a bit
weird. Well, I am a bit weird. I do wonder if pop-up open space could and
should happen a lot more.

A lot of open spacers I know loved improvisation and spontaneity, yet when
it comes to open space are a bit locked in the process in the book of
instructions – the manual that tends to overplay the “prep” for the event.
So, I’m waving a flag for pop-up, guerilla open space. Why not open some
space even for the process of open space? Let’s shimmy it a little and see
what falls out.

“Flash mob” open space has, I think, a big future. My intuition tells me a
fair number of facilitators have done it, and a fair few of them haven’t
reported it, telling instead there more “responsible” by-the-book open
space stories. But why not? Why not open some space on the spur of the
moment? The invite is still there -it just takes a hell of a lot shorter.
The opportunity is always there where an over-organised event is
disappearing up its own proverbial…

It is also there in an event that has some inbuilt flexibility. Why not
throw some open space into the flexible mix? But best of all, why not open
space when space is there to be open? Self-organisation is often crying out
for a chance in the midst of failing over-organisation.

So, here’s to some more pop-up open space…
On 11 Nov 2014 19:59, Peggy Holman via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I got the query below from my friend Tom Atlee. It seemed like 

Re: [OSList] Fwd: Guerilla Open Space?

[paul levy via OSList]

http://rationalmadness.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/w3.jpg

I wonder if anyone reading this has experiences to share of what I am about
to describe. Most published stories of open space tend to go by the book.
The book is often referred to as the *user *
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm*guide*
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm“, and it tends towards a
process that is largely based on an* instruction manual*
http://elementaleducation.com/wp-content/uploads/temp/OpenSpaceTechnology--UsersGuide.pdf.
Dogmatic application manual can then lead, in my humble opinion, not to one
less thing to do, but often one more thing to do. These are “guides” not
rules, and that is the spirit in which they were written. In many cases,
the user guide proves remarkably resilient and applicable. Yet there is
always the next moment, the new story, the moment that needs something
playful.

There’s a lot in the manual (and the many trainings that have come into
being from it) about sponsors and invitations, and the things that need to
be done before an Open Space to ensure the open spacer er… opens space. I
have no difficulty with the manual. It’s full of good advice and is the
foundation you might just need to open some space. But, hey, what about
this… I’m at a company away day that is looking at product innovation. It
is business critical, and it is floundering. Powerpoint after Powerpoint
has resulted in a stifled audience, and when they get to breakout sessions,
the flipcharts look empty, the energy is low, and it all looks a bit too
quiet. There’s a feeling in the room that the event is dying on its feet.
Several sessions are lost in badly facilitated action planning. I am on the
team and the lead facilitator looks to me for any ideas. It must be because
I am silent and looking knowing and wise.

Actually I’m seething inside at this over-facilitated, over-designed,
overplanned conference crash. Do you mind if I… I ask, a bit pompously and
the lead facilitator is up for whatever help he can get. I leap up, and
step into the mess. I have a loud voice and it can’t get any worse than
this. An idea has just occurred to me and I decide to hurl it into the
cluttered room. “Er, hey.” I roar. “Why don’t we open some space?” I’m
loud. It goes silent.

This is what I say: “This is crap isn’t it?” Silence. “Can everyone bring
their chairs and let’s get into a big circle. Tuts, irritation, doubt and
mostly relief. Two minutes later there’s a big circle.

I introduce open space in about four minutes and quickly crab some flip
chart paper and tack it to the wall, creating four corners at new breakout
spaces.

I ask people to take their chairs with them and, within about ten minutes
we have a whole bunch of different sessions, many based around action.

The bosses in the room are gobsmacked.

We have a two hour open space until wrap up and there’s a huge buzz in the
room from this pop-up open space.

The invite was improvised and spontaneous.

The space opened because it wanted and needed to. It popped up and out as
if it were the most natural thing in the world. It transformed the day and
sent the clutter fleeing for cover. It was done without fuss and chairs
from the main circle quickly went into breakout and back again. The
facilitator team were edgy because they felt they were supposed to be doing
something and I dragged them away for coffee. We chatted a bit about
“emergence” and I was looked on as if I’d done some kind of magic. I was
young and enjoyed the attention. I was also looked as as if I was a bit
weird. Well, I am a bit weird. I do wonder if pop-up open space could and
should happen a lot more.

A lot of open spacers I know loved improvisation and spontaneity, yet when
it comes to open space are a bit locked in the process in the book of
instructions – the manual that tends to overplay the “prep” for the event.
So, I’m waving a flag for pop-up, guerilla open space. Why not open some
space even for the process of open space? Let’s shimmy it a little and see
what falls out.

“Flash mob” open space has, I think, a big future. My intuition tells me a
fair number of facilitators have done it, and a fair few of them haven’t
reported it, telling instead there more “responsible” by-the-book open
space stories. But why not? Why not open some space on the spur of the
moment? The invite is still there -it just takes a hell of a lot shorter.
The opportunity is always there where an over-organised event is
disappearing up its own proverbial…

It is also there in an event that has some inbuilt flexibility. Why not
throw some open space into the flexible mix? But best of all, why not open
space when space is there to be open? Self-organisation is often crying out
for a chance in the midst of failing over-organisation.

So, here’s to some more pop-up open space…
On 11 Nov 2014 19:59, Peggy Holman via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I got the query below from my friend Tom Atlee. It seemed like 

Re: [OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear John/All

We are both actors on and in the universe.

So every act of organisation we make in the universe is an act on and by
our selves -
an act of self-organisation.

When we act both upon and in the world/universe we change it, the entire
system, even if our act is tiny - the whole system changes as a result of
that act. But we are also part of that universe - so we are also changed.
We change and we are changed. We act and we are acted upon.

Each one of us is a self - unique, beautiful, somehow separate and able to
observe, yet also part of the whole. When an actor acts both on and in the
universe, it is the act of a self. When a self organises, that is
self-organisation.

Harrison, it is no accident that the word self refers to something in the
universe and also refers to the human self. They collide, collude and
collaborate.

And when it happens, space opens.

best wishes

Paul Levy

On 22 October 2014 13:31, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Dear John Baxter,

 sometimes the folks telling us on TV or such about the weather talk in a
 way as if the weather has a will. And feelings. And a strategy.
 Well, this is just their way of talking about something that is difficult
 to describe.
 In my way of looking at the world, they are describing manifestations of
 the selforganisationforce meddling with the weather... without having
 proper language for the manisfestations so they use psychological terms or
 the likes to make sense of it.

 This holds for manifestations of the selforganisationforce observed in
 groups, organisations and systems composed of people.

 One of the specific manifestations is the action of a battle with two
 groups of soldiers attacking each other. It looks as of there is one will
 in each group of soldiers. Everybody does the same, all fire at the same
 time, all advance or retreat in orderly fashion.
 It seems, however, to be more likely that they show this will because
 all will of the kind we usually talk about has been drilled out of their
 minds and souls and bodies...yes, a little bit is left in each soldier, but
 control, which is that which can reduce the acivity of the
 selforganisationforce to near zero (never completely), has been very
 powerful.

 Cheers
 mmp



 On 22.10.2014 01:11, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

 Sure thing Harold

 Yes groups have an emergent wholeness, but that does not mean that they
 take on characteristics we understand in individuals.  We should be
 careful not to anthropomorphise (?) them.

 Groups definitely have aliveness, needs, strengths, weakenesses,
 robustness, identity... lots of things.  I can understand what these
 characteristics mean for a collective, as a system, and a collection of
 individuals.  To me they all make sense.

 I can't understand what will means for a group.  Nor do I see will in
 action.  Some similar things I do see... e.g. the individuals in a group
 give consent for a collective decision... but this isn't the same thing
 as will.  This is group behaviour emerging out of a collective of
 individuals, with individual wills, consenting to be identified with a
 certain position by virtue of membership (some more loosely bound than
 others, and all with their own interpretation of the contract).
 This is /not/ will, it is characteristically different.

 I am guilty myself of shorthanding, using individual psychological terms
 to describe group behaviour.  Sometimes it is pragmatic, but we
 shouldn't hold on too tight.

 Cheers


  Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
 --
 Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org

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Re: [OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear John/All

We are both actors on and in the universe.

So every act of organisation we make in the universe is an act on and by
our selves -
an act of self-organisation.

When we act both upon and in the world/universe we change it, the entire
system, even if our act is tiny - the whole system changes as a result of
that act. But we are also part of that universe - so we are also changed.
We change and we are changed. We act and we are acted upon.

Each one of us is a self - unique, beautiful, somehow separate and able to
observe, yet also part of the whole. When an actor acts both on and in the
universe, it is the act of a self. When a self organises, that is
self-organisation.

Harrison, it is no accident that the word self refers to something in the
universe and also refers to the human self. They collide, collude and
collaborate.

And when it happens, space opens.

best wishes

Paul Levy

On 22 October 2014 13:31, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Dear John Baxter,

 sometimes the folks telling us on TV or such about the weather talk in a
 way as if the weather has a will. And feelings. And a strategy.
 Well, this is just their way of talking about something that is difficult
 to describe.
 In my way of looking at the world, they are describing manifestations of
 the selforganisationforce meddling with the weather... without having
 proper language for the manisfestations so they use psychological terms or
 the likes to make sense of it.

 This holds for manifestations of the selforganisationforce observed in
 groups, organisations and systems composed of people.

 One of the specific manifestations is the action of a battle with two
 groups of soldiers attacking each other. It looks as of there is one will
 in each group of soldiers. Everybody does the same, all fire at the same
 time, all advance or retreat in orderly fashion.
 It seems, however, to be more likely that they show this will because
 all will of the kind we usually talk about has been drilled out of their
 minds and souls and bodies...yes, a little bit is left in each soldier, but
 control, which is that which can reduce the acivity of the
 selforganisationforce to near zero (never completely), has been very
 powerful.

 Cheers
 mmp



 On 22.10.2014 01:11, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

 Sure thing Harold

 Yes groups have an emergent wholeness, but that does not mean that they
 take on characteristics we understand in individuals.  We should be
 careful not to anthropomorphise (?) them.

 Groups definitely have aliveness, needs, strengths, weakenesses,
 robustness, identity... lots of things.  I can understand what these
 characteristics mean for a collective, as a system, and a collection of
 individuals.  To me they all make sense.

 I can't understand what will means for a group.  Nor do I see will in
 action.  Some similar things I do see... e.g. the individuals in a group
 give consent for a collective decision... but this isn't the same thing
 as will.  This is group behaviour emerging out of a collective of
 individuals, with individual wills, consenting to be identified with a
 certain position by virtue of membership (some more loosely bound than
 others, and all with their own interpretation of the contract).
 This is /not/ will, it is characteristically different.

 I am guilty myself of shorthanding, using individual psychological terms
 to describe group behaviour.  Sometimes it is pragmatic, but we
 shouldn't hold on too tight.

 Cheers


  Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
 --
 Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org

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Re: [OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Dear John/All

We are both actors on and in the universe.

So every act of organisation we make in the universe is an act on and by
our selves -
an act of self-organisation.

When we act both upon and in the world/universe we change it, the entire
system, even if our act is tiny - the whole system changes as a result of
that act. But we are also part of that universe - so we are also changed.
We change and we are changed. We act and we are acted upon.

Each one of us is a self - unique, beautiful, somehow separate and able to
observe, yet also part of the whole. When an actor acts both on and in the
universe, it is the act of a self. When a self organises, that is
self-organisation.

Harrison, it is no accident that the word self refers to something in the
universe and also refers to the human self. They collide, collude and
collaborate.

And when it happens, space opens.

best wishes

Paul Levy

On 22 October 2014 13:31, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Dear John Baxter,

 sometimes the folks telling us on TV or such about the weather talk in a
 way as if the weather has a will. And feelings. And a strategy.
 Well, this is just their way of talking about something that is difficult
 to describe.
 In my way of looking at the world, they are describing manifestations of
 the selforganisationforce meddling with the weather... without having
 proper language for the manisfestations so they use psychological terms or
 the likes to make sense of it.

 This holds for manifestations of the selforganisationforce observed in
 groups, organisations and systems composed of people.

 One of the specific manifestations is the action of a battle with two
 groups of soldiers attacking each other. It looks as of there is one will
 in each group of soldiers. Everybody does the same, all fire at the same
 time, all advance or retreat in orderly fashion.
 It seems, however, to be more likely that they show this will because
 all will of the kind we usually talk about has been drilled out of their
 minds and souls and bodies...yes, a little bit is left in each soldier, but
 control, which is that which can reduce the acivity of the
 selforganisationforce to near zero (never completely), has been very
 powerful.

 Cheers
 mmp



 On 22.10.2014 01:11, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

 Sure thing Harold

 Yes groups have an emergent wholeness, but that does not mean that they
 take on characteristics we understand in individuals.  We should be
 careful not to anthropomorphise (?) them.

 Groups definitely have aliveness, needs, strengths, weakenesses,
 robustness, identity... lots of things.  I can understand what these
 characteristics mean for a collective, as a system, and a collection of
 individuals.  To me they all make sense.

 I can't understand what will means for a group.  Nor do I see will in
 action.  Some similar things I do see... e.g. the individuals in a group
 give consent for a collective decision... but this isn't the same thing
 as will.  This is group behaviour emerging out of a collective of
 individuals, with individual wills, consenting to be identified with a
 certain position by virtue of membership (some more loosely bound than
 others, and all with their own interpretation of the contract).
 This is /not/ will, it is characteristically different.

 I am guilty myself of shorthanding, using individual psychological terms
 to describe group behaviour.  Sometimes it is pragmatic, but we
 shouldn't hold on too tight.

 Cheers


  Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
 --
 Michael M Pannwitz
 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
 ++49 - 30-772 8000



 Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 398 resident Open
 Space Workers in 69 countries working in a total of 143 countries
 worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org

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Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

Best regards

Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal Wave,
 but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of the
 sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization, particularly when
 it seems blocked and constrained.  There are no guarantees of course, and
 it may well be that The Organization’s time is now: Game Over. But the
 chances of renewal are pretty good, at least that has been my 

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Of course ! It's the wonderful irony of all statements.

Paul




On 16 Oct 2014, at 22:43, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Including this one?

On 10/16/14 2:15 PM, paul levy via OSList wrote:

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

  1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

 And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

 Best regards

 Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal
 Wave, but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of
 the sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

Best regards

Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal Wave,
 but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of the
 sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization, particularly when
 it seems blocked and constrained.  There are no guarantees of course, and
 it may well be that The Organization’s time is now: Game Over. But the
 chances of renewal are pretty good, at least that has been my 

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Of course ! It's the wonderful irony of all statements.

Paul




On 16 Oct 2014, at 22:43, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Including this one?

On 10/16/14 2:15 PM, paul levy via OSList wrote:

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

  1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

 And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

 Best regards

 Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal
 Wave, but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of
 the sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

Best regards

Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal Wave,
 but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of the
 sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization, particularly when
 it seems blocked and constrained.  There are no guarantees of course, and
 it may well be that The Organization’s time is now: Game Over. But the
 chances of renewal are pretty good, at least that has been my 

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

[paul levy via OSList]

Of course ! It's the wonderful irony of all statements.

Paul




On 16 Oct 2014, at 22:43, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 Including this one?

On 10/16/14 2:15 PM, paul levy via OSList wrote:

I'd just venture to add a third to Harrison's first two...

  1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.

 And 3. All all statements are possibly self-limiting

 Best regards

 Paul Levy


On Thursday, 16 October 2014, Harrison Owen via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

  John – Thank you, Thank you for all the rich stuff! Sort of a Tidal
 Wave, but that’s when it gets fun, albeit a tad difficult to keep track of
 the sundry bits and pieces J



 Picking Just One:   “But I can't get past the feeling that *there are
 lots of barriers to the openness of space, and to self organisation*.”
 Absolutely. And if we were to put that into the language of the trade
 (Complexity Theorists and the like) we would be talking about “system
 constraints.” But as I understand it, that does not mean that Self
 Organization is no longer operative. And in fact the System Constraints are
 part and parcel of the process, a very important part. I think it goes
 something like this –



 I have found myself coming to  two conclusions, or better yet
 observations. 1) All Systems are Open. 2) All Systems are self organizing.



 As Open Systems, we, in all permutations of our “us-ness” – businesses,
 countries, families, planets, etc) are open to, and impacted by, all other
 systems. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes a little, but in our cosmos there
 is no safe, protected place. Everything is related to everything else, and
 we are no exception. If true, this has a number of implications. First of
 all the environment in which we exist is so complex, fast moving and
 inter-connected we can’t even think at that level. Secondly, what you can’t
 even think about, you can’t control. So the notion that somebody is
 actually “in charge/in control” is not just a silly idea, it is delusional.
 3) System preservation/growth depends on our  ability to navigate this
 environment. And it is a good news/bad news situation. Sometimes the
 impacts drive us in new and creative directions, and open up new
 opportunities which are ours if we respond appropriately. At other times
 the impacts drive us to the wall, and it’s Game over. Another word is
 Death. If this story is in any ways valid, it would seem like Mission
 Impossible. And yet this story has seemingly been going on for 13.7 Billion
 years and we are still here to complain about it. How could that be?



 All Systems are Self Organizing – Self Organization is in fact the
 mechanism whereby we navigate the environment, and all systems do it, I
 think. And when they stop doing it, they disappear. Self Organization is
 not the product of some CEO or executive committee. After all, they really
 haven’t been around for all that long. Self Organization is the product of
 the total system in all of its aspects and bits and pieces. How all that
 works has been a matter of stunning discovery over the past 40 years or so.
 I doubt we have it all right, but I do think we may have the major elements
 of understanding in place. The outline goes something like this – a) Steady
 State b) Chaos c) A bifurcation to either dissipation (poof) or
 reconstitution at new and higher levels of order. Of course you have to
 fill in a lot of the blanks, and there is a massive literature attempting
 to do just that. But I do believe we have enough to get started with some
 basic observations. It really is a Whole System affair, in which all
 elements must work together, and no element has an *a priori* claim to
 centrality. In a business this could mean that the dumb question of an
 intern could just open the doors for the future. You just don’t know. But
 you do know that an organization’s future directly relates to its capacity
 to bring total system assets to bear on emergent challenges and
 opportunities quickly and effectively. It is always tempting to  try and
 “hedge the bet” with some plan, policy or procedure, but it worthwhile
 noting that the tighter (more constraining) the plan, the greater the
 likelihood of failure. It’s not that the plan was bad... but unfortunately
 the challenge or opportunity came from a different direction, and all our
 eggs were in one basket – the wrong one.



 So we have a very existential question – How do we assure sufficient room
 (dare I say Space?) so that the infinite elements of any organization may
 quickly and effectively align to meet new challenges and opportunities –
 recognizing in advance that we can never know what will be required?



 Open Space Technology is just a bit player in all of this, but good old
 OST can be useful none the less both as a natural laboratory to explore
 what is going on, and also as an effective intervention to encourage the
 appearance of the elemental power of self organization