Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Thanks again everyone! <3


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:40 PM Michael Herman 
wrote:

> Missed this earlier, Jake.  Sometimes review starts at the end of the last
> session and gives last conveners a little extra time to write their notes
> up.  Sometimes, in one-day sessions, I've used the gallery approach that
> mmp invented years ago.  Give each breakout space flipchart paper, but give
> each convener a single sheet of posterboard to digest their info from flips
> to the poster board.  Easier to understand, easier to photo.  Put them all
> on the same wall, easier to read as a large group.  With a day and a half,
> I'd build the gallery time into the breakfast time.  Read and eat and be
> ready to go at X time.  If the diverging was finished on day one and day
> two is about converging again, then there's no need for morning news.  The
> news is:  we have a new challenge/task to do together.  But no matter how
> you slice it, if you want them to DO something with the data on the wall,
> they'll need a little bit of time to look it over.  Also, the usual
> invitation is to pay special attention to the sessions they missed, rather
> than those they attended.  Putting names of conveners and participants on
> these notes encourages conversations, questions, clarifications, etc.  MH
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com
> OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:28 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Michael Pannwitz,
>>
>> I had Michael Herman in mind, but I'd love to extend the question to
>> everyone.
>>
>> Thanks for the question. :)
>>
>> Jake
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:16 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jake,
>>> which Michael are your thinking of?
>>> mmp
>>>
>>> Am 08.02.2020 um 18:13 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:
>>> > Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to
>>> > organizing them?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.
>>> >
>>> > After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor
>>> that
>>> > we adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's
>>> > suggestions, I will propose that participants organize the notes
>>> > into themes. This will assist meaning-making and pattern
>>> > recognition. Then, I will invite participants to vote on the themes
>>> > that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3 get turned
>>> > into OKRs using the iterative sprints.
>>> >
>>> > This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow
>>> > better, and it requires less facilitation.
>>> >
>>> > I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the
>>> > outcomes. I may also incorporate that.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks again!
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once
>>> again,
>>> > and you will be free of problems.
>>> >   - Robert Adams 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum
>>> > mailto:i...@practical-agile.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide
>>> > the outcomes.
>>> > For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition
>>> > to topic, convener and participants, titles for Main Objective
>>> > and for Key Results. You may wish to add (see if you can find
>>> > about 3 SMART key results) - if you want to guide participants
>>> > towards the OKRs concept. That said with a invitation to favor
>>> > the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>>> >
>>> > As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is
>>> > to prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for
>>> Os
>>> > on the left side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the
>>> > right.
>>> > During this session, participants - conveners and other - were
>>> > invited to place their Os and KRs in the board and share what
>>> > they found passion and responsibility for to take forward.
>>> > In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make
>>> > these initiatives happen.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList
>>> > 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Missed this earlier, Jake.  Sometimes review starts at the end of the last
session and gives last conveners a little extra time to write their notes
up.  Sometimes, in one-day sessions, I've used the gallery approach that
mmp invented years ago.  Give each breakout space flipchart paper, but give
each convener a single sheet of posterboard to digest their info from flips
to the poster board.  Easier to understand, easier to photo.  Put them all
on the same wall, easier to read as a large group.  With a day and a half,
I'd build the gallery time into the breakfast time.  Read and eat and be
ready to go at X time.  If the diverging was finished on day one and day
two is about converging again, then there's no need for morning news.  The
news is:  we have a new challenge/task to do together.  But no matter how
you slice it, if you want them to DO something with the data on the wall,
they'll need a little bit of time to look it over.  Also, the usual
invitation is to pay special attention to the sessions they missed, rather
than those they attended.  Putting names of conveners and participants on
these notes encourages conversations, questions, clarifications, etc.  MH





--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:28 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hey Michael Pannwitz,
>
> I had Michael Herman in mind, but I'd love to extend the question to
> everyone.
>
> Thanks for the question. :)
>
> Jake
>
>
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:16 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Jake,
>> which Michael are your thinking of?
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 08.02.2020 um 18:13 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:
>> > Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to
>> > organizing them?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.
>> >
>> > After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that
>> > we adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's
>> > suggestions, I will propose that participants organize the notes
>> > into themes. This will assist meaning-making and pattern
>> > recognition. Then, I will invite participants to vote on the themes
>> > that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3 get turned
>> > into OKRs using the iterative sprints.
>> >
>> > This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow
>> > better, and it requires less facilitation.
>> >
>> > I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the
>> > outcomes. I may also incorporate that.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
>> > and you will be free of problems.
>> >   - Robert Adams 
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum
>> > mailto:i...@practical-agile.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide
>> > the outcomes.
>> > For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition
>> > to topic, convener and participants, titles for Main Objective
>> > and for Key Results. You may wish to add (see if you can find
>> > about 3 SMART key results) - if you want to guide participants
>> > towards the OKRs concept. That said with a invitation to favor
>> > the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>> >
>> > As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is
>> > to prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os
>> > on the left side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the
>> > right.
>> > During this session, participants - conveners and other - were
>> > invited to place their Os and KRs in the board and share what
>> > they found passion and responsibility for to take forward.
>> > In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make
>> > these initiatives happen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter,
>> > then that would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget
>> > about open space. But specifying that “we are trying to
>> > generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation, because it’s open
>> > and the sponsor should be 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Hey Michael Pannwitz,

I had Michael Herman in mind, but I'd love to extend the question to
everyone.

Thanks for the question. :)

Jake




When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:16 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Jake,
> which Michael are your thinking of?
> mmp
>
> Am 08.02.2020 um 18:13 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:
> > Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to
> > organizing them?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager  > > wrote:
> >
> > Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.
> >
> > After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that
> > we adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's
> > suggestions, I will propose that participants organize the notes
> > into themes. This will assist meaning-making and pattern
> > recognition. Then, I will invite participants to vote on the themes
> > that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3 get turned
> > into OKRs using the iterative sprints.
> >
> > This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow
> > better, and it requires less facilitation.
> >
> > I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the
> > outcomes. I may also incorporate that.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > 
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> > and you will be free of problems.
> >   - Robert Adams 
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum
> > mailto:i...@practical-agile.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide
> > the outcomes.
> > For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition
> > to topic, convener and participants, titles for Main Objective
> > and for Key Results. You may wish to add (see if you can find
> > about 3 SMART key results) - if you want to guide participants
> > towards the OKRs concept. That said with a invitation to favor
> > the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
> >
> > As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is
> > to prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os
> > on the left side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the
> > right.
> > During this session, participants - conveners and other - were
> > invited to place their Os and KRs in the board and share what
> > they found passion and responsibility for to take forward.
> > In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make
> > these initiatives happen.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter,
> > then that would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget
> > about open space. But specifying that “we are trying to
> > generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation, because it’s open
> > and the sponsor should be generally curious about what will
> > come out of it and how results will be used.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Reviewing again this article
> >> <
> https://www.openspaceworld.org/files/tmnfiles/choosingopenspace(Bolton).html
> >
> >> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors
> >> for Open Space. One is that the sponsor does not have
> >> "pre-set outcomes." Would generating OKRs be considered a
> >> pre-set outcome you think?
> >> 
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
> >> once again, and you will be free of problems.
> >>  - Robert Adams 
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager
> >> mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> >> 
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will
> >> shine once again, and you will be free of problems.
> >>  - Robert Adams 
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager
> >>  >>   

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Jake,
which Michael are your thinking of?
mmp

Am 08.02.2020 um 18:13 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:
Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to 
organizing them?


Thanks

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager > wrote:


Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.

After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that
we adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's
suggestions, I will propose that participants organize the notes
into themes. This will assist meaning-making and pattern
recognition. Then, I will invite participants to vote on the themes
that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3 get turned
into OKRs using the iterative sprints.

This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow
better, and it requires less facilitation.

I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the
outcomes. I may also incorporate that.

Thanks again!



When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
and you will be free of problems.
  - Robert Adams 


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum
mailto:i...@practical-agile.com>> wrote:

Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide
the outcomes.
For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition
to topic, convener and participants, titles for Main Objective
and for Key Results. You may wish to add (see if you can find
about 3 SMART key results) - if you want to guide participants
towards the OKRs concept. That said with a invitation to favor
the more open and the less prescriptive approach.

As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is
to prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os
on the left side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the
right.
During this session, participants - conveners and other - were
invited to place their Os and KRs in the board and share what
they found passion and responsibility for to take forward.
In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make
these initiatives happen.



On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter,
then that would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget
about open space. But specifying that “we are trying to
generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation, because it’s open
and the sponsor should be generally curious about what will
come out of it and how results will be used.

Chris


On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Reviewing again this article


by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors
for Open Space. One is that the sponsor does not have
"pre-set outcomes." Would generating OKRs be considered a
pre-set outcome you think?


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again, and you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager
mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will
shine once again, and you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager
mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much
welcomed, and you have provided a lot to chew on.
It's such a treat to hear from experienced
practitioners.

Some info:

  * I have one day for the event
  * There are about 30 participants: assistant
managers to the SVP
  * Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key
results are how you measure your success
  * We need to define both objectives and key
results by the end of the day: so, it's a
tight time-frame

At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the
  

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Michael and Chris - do you allot time to review the notes prior to
organizing them?

Thanks

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:14 AM Jake Yeager  wrote:

> Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.
>
> After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that we
> adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's suggestions, I will
> propose that participants organize the notes into themes. This will assist
> meaning-making and pattern recognition. Then, I will invite participants to
> vote on the themes that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3
> get turned into OKRs using the iterative sprints.
>
> This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow better,
> and it requires less facilitation.
>
> I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the outcomes.
> I may also incorporate that.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum 
> wrote:
>
>> Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide the
>> outcomes.
>> For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition to topic,
>> convener and participants, titles for Main Objective and for Key Results.
>> You may wish to add (see if you can find about 3 SMART key results) - if
>> you want to guide participants towards the OKRs concept. That said with a
>> invitation to favor the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>>
>> As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is to
>> prepare a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os on the left
>> side, and wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the right.
>> During this session, participants - conveners and other - were invited to
>> place their Os and KRs in the board and share what they found passion and
>> responsibility for to take forward.
>> In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make these
>> initiatives happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter, then that
>>> would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget about open space. But
>>> specifying that “we are trying to generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation,
>>> because it’s open and the sponsor should be generally curious about what
>>> will come out of it and how results will be used.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Reviewing again this article
>>> 
>>> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
>>> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
>>> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
>>> 
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>  - Robert Adams 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
 

 When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
 and you will be free of problems.
  - Robert Adams 


 On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager 
 wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you
> have provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> practitioners.
>
> Some info:
>
>- I have one day for the event
>- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how
>you measure your success
>- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
>the day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>
> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the
> sponsor to switch up the schedule too much.
>
> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact
> training for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well.
> That said, I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and
> will explore the many options provided on this thread for future events.
> I'm definitely open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per
> Michael Pannwitz's comment. :)
>
> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> design:
>
>- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes 
> rather
>than voting on them.
>- I will 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Again, a bunch of great ideas and perspectives on this thread.

After considering it more, I am going to propose to the sponsor that we
adjust our convergence process. Per Michael and Chris's suggestions, I will
propose that participants organize the notes into themes. This will assist
meaning-making and pattern recognition. Then, I will invite participants to
vote on the themes that they would like to see turned into OKRs. The top 3
get turned into OKRs using the iterative sprints.

This approach seems more organic and simple. It also seems to flow better,
and it requires less facilitation.

I also like Ilan's ideas about structuring the notes towards the outcomes.
I may also incorporate that.

Thanks again!


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Ilan Kirschenbaum 
wrote:

> Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide the
> outcomes.
> For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition to topic,
> convener and participants, titles for Main Objective and for Key Results.
> You may wish to add (see if you can find about 3 SMART key results) - if
> you want to guide participants towards the OKRs concept. That said with a
> invitation to favor the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>
> As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is to prepare
> a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os on the left side, and
> wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the right.
> During this session, participants - conveners and other - were invited to
> place their Os and KRs in the board and share what they found passion and
> responsibility for to take forward.
> In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make these
> initiatives happen.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter, then that
>> would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget about open space. But
>> specifying that “we are trying to generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation,
>> because it’s open and the sponsor should be generally curious about what
>> will come out of it and how results will be used.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Reviewing again this article
>> 
>> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
>> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
>> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
>>> 
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>  - Robert Adams 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
 provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
 practitioners.

 Some info:

- I have one day for the event
- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
measure your success
- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
the day: so, it's a tight time-frame

 At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
 to switch up the schedule too much.

 I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
 for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
 I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
 the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
 open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
 Pannwitz's comment. :)

 Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
 design:

- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes 
 rather
than voting on them.
- I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to 
 refine
(or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with
key results.

 Learning as I go as we 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Ilan Kirschenbaum via OSList]

Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide the
outcomes.
For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition to topic,
convener and participants, titles for Main Objective and for Key Results.
You may wish to add (see if you can find about 3 SMART key results) - if
you want to guide participants towards the OKRs concept. That said with a
invitation to favor the more open and the less prescriptive approach.

As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is to prepare
a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os on the left side, and
wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the right.
During this session, participants - conveners and other - were invited to
place their Os and KRs in the board and share what they found passion and
responsibility for to take forward.
In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make these
initiatives happen.



On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter, then that
> would be “pre-set” answers, and I would forget about open space. But
> specifying that “we are trying to generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation,
> because it’s open and the sponsor should be generally curious about what
> will come out of it and how results will be used.
>
> Chris
>
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Reviewing again this article
> 
> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager  wrote:
>
>> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
>>> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
>>> practitioners.
>>>
>>> Some info:
>>>
>>>- I have one day for the event
>>>- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>>>- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
>>>measure your success
>>>- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
>>>the day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>>>
>>> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
>>> to switch up the schedule too much.
>>>
>>> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
>>> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
>>> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
>>> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
>>> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
>>> Pannwitz's comment. :)
>>>
>>> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
>>> design:
>>>
>>>- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>>>Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes 
>>> rather
>>>than voting on them.
>>>- I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
>>>The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to 
>>> refine
>>>(or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with
>>>key results.
>>>
>>> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
>>>
>>> Much love,
>>> Jake
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>  - Robert Adams 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
>>> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Jake

 I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
 purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
 must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
 should be identified/agreed on in the OST?

 My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
 thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST
 are not fully understood.

 Good night from Sweden

 Thomas Herrmann



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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR’s will matter, then that would be 
“pre-set” answers, and I would forget about open space. But specifying that “we 
are trying to generate new OKRs” is a fine invitation, because it’s open and 
the sponsor should be generally curious about what will come out of it and how 
results will be used.

Chris

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Reviewing again this article 
> 
>  by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space. 
> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating 
> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> 
> 
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
> will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager  > wrote:
> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> 
> 
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
> will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager  > wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have 
> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced 
> practitioners.
> 
> Some info:
> I have one day for the event
> There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you measure 
> your success 
> We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the day: so, 
> it's a tight time-frame
> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor to 
> switch up the schedule too much.
> 
> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training for 
> formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said, I am 
> open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore the many 
> options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely open to 
> learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael Pannwitz's 
> comment. :)
> 
> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence" design:
> After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10 
> Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes rather 
> than voting on them. 
> I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel. The group 
> members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to refine (or not) in 
> a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with key results.
> Learning as I go as we all do. :) 
> 
> Much love,
> Jake
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
> will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann 
> mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com>> 
> wrote:
> Dear Jake
> 
> I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the 
> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there must 
> be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but should be 
> identified/agreed on in the OST?
> 
> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought 
> through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not 
> fully understood.
> 
> Good night from Sweden
> 
> Thomas Herrmann
> 
>  
> 
> Från: OSList  > För Jake Yeager via OSList
> Skickat: den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
> Kopia: Jake Yeager mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>
> Ämne: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> 
>  
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> 
>  
> 
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the 
> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then 
> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective. 
> 
>  
> 
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy if 
> the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I could 
> use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent decision-making 
> could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final call on the top 3 if 
> the group is split.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks and much love,
> 
> Jake
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
> will be free of problems.
> 
>  - Robert Adams 
> ___
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> 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Hi Jake,
i believe it is helpful to conceptualize that the OST meeting is what takes
place, and it supports divergent, innovative thinking, creativity, play.
Then, when you get to the balance of what you are setting out to do which I
am assuming is on the .5 day following the full OST day, you are in a
process that is not OST. It requires a more guided process, convergent
thinking and at that point there is seldom space for new ideas. I believe
one way to be successful is to have one after the other, making a clear
distinction between the two...a whole different energy is created.

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On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Reviewing again this article
> 
> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager  wrote:
>
>> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
>>> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
>>> practitioners.
>>>
>>> Some info:
>>>
>>>- I have one day for the event
>>>- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>>>- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
>>>measure your success
>>>- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
>>>the day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>>>
>>> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
>>> to switch up the schedule too much.
>>>
>>> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
>>> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
>>> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
>>> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
>>> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
>>> Pannwitz's comment. :)
>>>
>>> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
>>> design:
>>>
>>>- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>>>Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes 
>>> rather
>>>than voting on them.
>>>- I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
>>>The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to 
>>> refine
>>>(or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with
>>>key results.
>>>
>>> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
>>>
>>> Much love,
>>> Jake
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>  - Robert Adams 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
>>> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Jake

 I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
 purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
 must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Ok. Just one final email  (I suspect). I think it'd be good to have the
closing circle prior to all the convergence. This is so participants have a
clear demarcation between open space and the other activities.

Thanks again

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:01 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Jake,
>
> seems there is a lot of stuff that you busy yourself with that might be
> better dealt with by the sponsor of the event and the Planning Group for
> the event.
>
> My experience is that after assisting the sponsor in finding out whether
> ost (check the 5 or so prerequisites) is what is needed from his point
> of view for whatever sticky isssue he needs to deal with the next step
> is to have the sponsor install a Planning Group. This group needs to be
> in some way a microcosm of what is expected to be the mix at the event.
> Usually, that would be the sponsor himself and a few more folks that are
> affected by the main issue directly and indirectly. Also, usually I
> facilitate the meeting of the Planning Group. It usually meets just once
> and then is in charge of working up to the event.
>
> Any time you find yourself worrying about what might be usefull for the
> process or feeling you are shortcutting stuff, you are working too hare.
>
> Now, all this sage advice might be of little use for you considering you
> are already too far down the stretch. But there is always the
> possibility to go back in case I realize something is awkward or
> whatever or requires my energy that should really come from the client.
> When I was in a situation like that and did go back, it never backfired.
> On the contrary, it secured a much better procedure for everyone... all
> in accordance of the wisdom in your signature
> "When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and you will be free of problems."
>
>
> Have a great day
> mmp
>
>
> Am 06.02.2020 um 00:14 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:
> > Dear Jake
> >
> > I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> > purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> > must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> > should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >
> > My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> > thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST
> > are not fully understood.
> >
> > Good night from Sweden
> >
> > Thomas Herrmann
> >
> > *Från:* OSList  *För *Jake
> > Yeager via OSList
> > *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> > *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > 
> > *Kopia:* Jake Yeager 
> > *Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >
> > I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> > the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and
> > then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >
> > The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> > if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess
> > I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> > decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> > call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >
> > Thanks and much love,
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > 
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >
> >   - Robert Adams 
> >
> >
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Reviewing again this article

by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager  wrote:

> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager  wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
>> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
>> practitioners.
>>
>> Some info:
>>
>>- I have one day for the event
>>- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>>- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
>>measure your success
>>- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
>>day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>>
>> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
>> to switch up the schedule too much.
>>
>> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
>> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
>> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
>> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
>> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
>> Pannwitz's comment. :)
>>
>> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
>> design:
>>
>>- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>>Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes 
>> rather
>>than voting on them.
>>- I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
>>The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to 
>> refine
>>(or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with
>>key results.
>>
>> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
>>
>> Much love,
>> Jake
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
>> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jake
>>>
>>> I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
>>> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
>>> must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
>>> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
>>>
>>> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
>>> thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST
>>> are not fully understood.
>>>
>>> Good night from Sweden
>>>
>>> Thomas Herrmann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Från:* OSList  *För *Jake
>>> Yeager via OSList
>>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
>>> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager 
>>> *Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
>>> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and
>>> then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
>>> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
>>> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
>>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
>>> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and much love,
>>>
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>>> you will be free of problems.
>>>
>>>  - Robert Adams 
>>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager  wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> practitioners.
>
> Some info:
>
>- I have one day for the event
>- There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>- Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
>measure your success
>- We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
>day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>
> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor to
> switch up the schedule too much.
>
> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> Pannwitz's comment. :)
>
> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> design:
>
>- After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes rather
>than voting on them.
>- I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
>The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to refine
>(or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with
>key results.
>
> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
>
> Much love,
> Jake
>
>
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jake
>>
>> I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
>> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
>> must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
>> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
>>
>> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought
>> through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not
>> fully understood.
>>
>> Good night from Sweden
>>
>> Thomas Herrmann
>>
>>
>>
>> *Från:* OSList  *För *Jake
>> Yeager via OSList
>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
>> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager 
>> *Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
>> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
>> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>>
>>
>>
>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
>> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
>> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
>> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and much love,
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
practitioners.

Some info:

   - I have one day for the event
   - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
   - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
   measure your success
   - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
   day: so, it's a tight time-frame

At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor to
switch up the schedule too much.

I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training for
formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said, I am
open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore the
many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely open
to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael Pannwitz's
comment. :)

Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
design:

   - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
   Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes rather
   than voting on them.
   - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel. The
   group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to refine (or
   not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with key
   results.

Learning as I go as we all do. :)

Much love,
Jake




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you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:

> Dear Jake
>
> I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
>
> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought
> through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not
> fully understood.
>
> Good night from Sweden
>
> Thomas Herrmann
>
>
>
> *Från:* OSList  *För *Jake Yeager
> via OSList
> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
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> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager 
> *Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>
>
>
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>
>
>
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>
>
>
> Thanks and much love,
>
> Jake
>
> 
>
>
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>
>  - Robert Adams 
>
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Jake,

seems there is a lot of stuff that you busy yourself with that might be 
better dealt with by the sponsor of the event and the Planning Group for 
the event.


My experience is that after assisting the sponsor in finding out whether 
ost (check the 5 or so prerequisites) is what is needed from his point 
of view for whatever sticky isssue he needs to deal with the next step 
is to have the sponsor install a Planning Group. This group needs to be 
in some way a microcosm of what is expected to be the mix at the event. 
Usually, that would be the sponsor himself and a few more folks that are 
affected by the main issue directly and indirectly. Also, usually I 
facilitate the meeting of the Planning Group. It usually meets just once 
and then is in charge of working up to the event.


Any time you find yourself worrying about what might be usefull for the 
process or feeling you are shortcutting stuff, you are working too hare.


Now, all this sage advice might be of little use for you considering you 
are already too far down the stretch. But there is always the 
possibility to go back in case I realize something is awkward or 
whatever or requires my energy that should really come from the client. 
When I was in a situation like that and did go back, it never backfired. 
On the contrary, it secured a much better procedure for everyone... all 
in accordance of the wisdom in your signature
"When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, 
and you will be free of problems."



Have a great day
mmp


Am 06.02.2020 um 00:14 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

Dear Jake

I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the 
purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there 
must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but 
should be identified/agreed on in the OST?


My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well 
thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST 
are not fully understood.


Good night from Sweden

Thomas Herrmann

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*Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

Hi folks,

Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?

I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use 
the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and 
then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.


The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy 
if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess 
I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent 
decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final 
call on the top 3 if the group is split.


Thanks and much love,

Jake



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you will be free of problems.


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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Ilan Kirschenbaum via OSList]

This discussion opened at a great time for me, as I am also working with a
client that is making their first steps in making OKRs spread through the
organization.

Adding to the wonderful advice from everyone, you can make a structure that
invites the desired outcome.
For example, at the open space designate three areas for conveners to
work at.
When it comes to defining the O's, there will be room for 3 O's to work on.
I would discuss with the sponsor that there is always potential that
participants will ask for an additional work area, or they might just
create one for themselves. Also, that participants might finish working on
one O, and move to the next Objective on their own accord.

It will be a great opportunity to discuss the Open Space principles with
the sponsor. In particular - whatever happens is the only thing that could
happen. And sense from the discussion to what extent the sponsor is open
for the emergence of the new and the unexpected.
If s.he is not, maybe Open Space is not the right technique for that point
in time?

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 01:15, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear Jake
>
> I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> must be no more than 3 O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
>
> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought
> through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not
> fully understood.
>
> Good night from Sweden
>
> Thomas Herrmann
>
>
>
> *Från:* OSList  *För *Jake Yeager
> via OSList
> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager 
> *Ämne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>
>
>
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>
>
>
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>
>
>
> Thanks and much love,
>
> Jake
>
> 
>
>
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Thomas Herrmann via OSList]

Dear Jake

I don’t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the purpose/expected 
outcome is for this development process and also there must be no more than 3 
O’s? I understand they are not yet defined, but should be identified/agreed on 
in the OST?

My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought 
through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not fully 
understood.

Good night from Sweden

Thomas Herrmann

 

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Skickat: den 5 februari 2020 00:57
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Kopia: Jake Yeager 
Ämne: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

 

Hi folks,

 

Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?

 

I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the 25/10 
Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then 1-2-4-All to 
develop the key results (KR's) for each objective. 

 

The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy if the 
clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I could use 
voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent decision-making could 
be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final call on the top 3 if the 
group is split.

 

Thanks and much love,

Jake




 

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will be free of problems.

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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Worth noting, too, that everything Chris is suggesting moves the group
forward and deeper into open space, supporting their continuing work in
that way.  Finishing OS with designed/selected liberating structures, on
the other hand, seems to imply that they're not able to take the work
forward without somebody setting up the next little wickets for them to
jump through.


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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Corrigan 
wrote:

> Building on this:
>
> In the past when a sponsor has been clear about content areas but hasn’t
> specified what can be discussed within them we did the following:
>
> 1. Make sure you have lots of people there, because diversity of
> experience and ideas is helpful.
>
> 2. Have the sponsor outline the specific areas they need help with “These
> three pillars of our plan are up for discussion…” but also be sure that the
> sponsor indicates that any and all conversations are welcome on the day.
>
> 3. When introducing the process, divide the news wall into specific areas
> and have one area for “Other.”  As people complete their session reports,
> instruct them to post the results in one of the specific subject areas if
> they want their ideas considered. Use the “Other” category for interesting
> outlier conversation reports. Very important here that the convener of the
> topic choose which category to post in.
>
> 4. Make some time to then have the group break out into groups focusing on
> the specific areas and distill some recommendations or insights, or
> whatever is useful to the sponsor.  If you have a large group, then perhaps
> invite the conveners of sessions to gather in subject-specific teams to has
> through the proceedings from the specific areas.”
>
> That has worked well for me in the past where the intention has been
> constrained, but the sponsor wants to allow a larger space to be opened.
>
> Chris
>
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> yes to what's already been said.  and... it sounds like the OS part is
> already happening, and you're asking about how to get from there to the
> sponsor's three objectives.  if that's the question, i'd suggest it's
> simply two open spaces (perhaps loosely defined).
>
> the first OS runs as usual and finishes with all the notes on the wall.
> you haven't said anything about how many people are expected to gather and
> how long.  the how long will imply something about the quality of the
> notes, but at a minimum it seems safe to assume that you'll have written
> topics posted, even if the OS is just a few hours.
>
> the second "OS" simply invites everyone to look at the wall and work
> together to organize everything into three streams of work.  in a small
> group, with good notes, this might be as simple as the group going straight
> to the existing wall to organize.  but even then, you probably want to be
> able to add practical detail, immediate next steps, to the wall.  so with
> any size group you might simply "re-open the space for action."  invite the
> whole group to create the agenda for the next 3 months or year or whatever,
> identifying immediate next steps and posting them to a different wall.
> have them keep reviewing the original wall and notes until all the most
> important next steps are identified.  challenge them to make sense of them
> as they post the steps.
>
> it might be three or two or five or whatever streams.  if the leader is
> adamant about three, some finessing might be required, but the shifting
> might also happen within that sponsor, who won't want to blow up a
> coherence created by so many, and understood my him/herself and those
> many.  so it might turn out that 5 really clear objectives, well detailed,
> are actually just fine.  or if the charge is to create exactly three, the
> group will likely work to create that.  either way, it will work.
>
> bonus points for scheduling places and times the first conversations can
> happen on most immediate next steps.
>
> m
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> MichaelHerman.com 
> OpenSpaceWorld.org 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:24 AM R Chaffe via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are
>> willing to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if
>> Open Space technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an
>> Open Space mind set!
>>
>> Under promise and over deliver.  Never try to contradict what the sponsor
>> requires, this well men you advise them that you are not the best person
>> for the task required. Not an easy call to make when you think you need the
>> work.  In the longer term you are so much stronger and you will attract the
>> best clients, 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

Building on this:

In the past when a sponsor has been clear about content areas but hasn’t 
specified what can be discussed within them we did the following:

1. Make sure you have lots of people there, because diversity of experience and 
ideas is helpful.

2. Have the sponsor outline the specific areas they need help with “These three 
pillars of our plan are up for discussion…” but also be sure that the sponsor 
indicates that any and all conversations are welcome on the day.

3. When introducing the process, divide the news wall into specific areas and 
have one area for “Other.”  As people complete their session reports, instruct 
them to post the results in one of the specific subject areas if they want 
their ideas considered. Use the “Other” category for interesting outlier 
conversation reports. Very important here that the convener of the topic choose 
which category to post in.

4. Make some time to then have the group break out into groups focusing on the 
specific areas and distill some recommendations or insights, or whatever is 
useful to the sponsor.  If you have a large group, then perhaps invite the 
conveners of sessions to gather in subject-specific teams to has through the 
proceedings from the specific areas.”

That has worked well for me in the past where the intention has been 
constrained, but the sponsor wants to allow a larger space to be opened.

Chris

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Michael Herman via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> yes to what's already been said.  and... it sounds like the OS part is 
> already happening, and you're asking about how to get from there to the 
> sponsor's three objectives.  if that's the question, i'd suggest it's simply 
> two open spaces (perhaps loosely defined).  
> 
> the first OS runs as usual and finishes with all the notes on the wall.  you 
> haven't said anything about how many people are expected to gather and how 
> long.  the how long will imply something about the quality of the notes, but 
> at a minimum it seems safe to assume that you'll have written topics posted, 
> even if the OS is just a few hours.  
> 
> the second "OS" simply invites everyone to look at the wall and work together 
> to organize everything into three streams of work.  in a small group, with 
> good notes, this might be as simple as the group going straight to the 
> existing wall to organize.  but even then, you probably want to be able to 
> add practical detail, immediate next steps, to the wall.  so with any size 
> group you might simply "re-open the space for action."  invite the whole 
> group to create the agenda for the next 3 months or year or whatever, 
> identifying immediate next steps and posting them to a different wall.  have 
> them keep reviewing the original wall and notes until all the most important 
> next steps are identified.  challenge them to make sense of them as they post 
> the steps.  
> 
> it might be three or two or five or whatever streams.  if the leader is 
> adamant about three, some finessing might be required, but the shifting might 
> also happen within that sponsor, who won't want to blow up a coherence 
> created by so many, and understood my him/herself and those many.  so it 
> might turn out that 5 really clear objectives, well detailed, are actually 
> just fine.  or if the charge is to create exactly three, the group will 
> likely work to create that.  either way, it will work.  
> 
> bonus points for scheduling places and times the first conversations can 
> happen on most immediate next steps.
> 
> m
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> 
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> 
> MichaelHerman.com 
> OpenSpaceWorld.org 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:24 AM R Chaffe via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are 
> willing to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if 
> Open Space technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an Open 
> Space mind set!
> 
> Under promise and over deliver.  Never try to contradict what the sponsor 
> requires, this well men you advise them that you are not the best person for 
> the task required. Not an easy call to make when you think you need the work. 
>  In the longer term you are so much stronger and you will attract the best 
> clients, this is where the rubber meets the road.
> 
> Regards
> Rob
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2020, at 9:26 pm, Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jake:
>> 
>> Given the amount of control desired by the sponsor, and your playing with 
>> Liberating Structures , are you sure that Open Space is the most appropriate 
>> format for the desired outcome? I might be wrong: it looks like a regular 
>> workshop, designed around a suitable LS string, might work better here.
>> 
>> An Open Space does not 

Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

yes to what's already been said.  and... it sounds like the OS part is
already happening, and you're asking about how to get from there to the
sponsor's three objectives.  if that's the question, i'd suggest it's
simply two open spaces (perhaps loosely defined).

the first OS runs as usual and finishes with all the notes on the wall.
you haven't said anything about how many people are expected to gather and
how long.  the how long will imply something about the quality of the
notes, but at a minimum it seems safe to assume that you'll have written
topics posted, even if the OS is just a few hours.

the second "OS" simply invites everyone to look at the wall and work
together to organize everything into three streams of work.  in a small
group, with good notes, this might be as simple as the group going straight
to the existing wall to organize.  but even then, you probably want to be
able to add practical detail, immediate next steps, to the wall.  so with
any size group you might simply "re-open the space for action."  invite the
whole group to create the agenda for the next 3 months or year or whatever,
identifying immediate next steps and posting them to a different wall.
have them keep reviewing the original wall and notes until all the most
important next steps are identified.  challenge them to make sense of them
as they post the steps.

it might be three or two or five or whatever streams.  if the leader is
adamant about three, some finessing might be required, but the shifting
might also happen within that sponsor, who won't want to blow up a
coherence created by so many, and understood my him/herself and those
many.  so it might turn out that 5 really clear objectives, well detailed,
are actually just fine.  or if the charge is to create exactly three, the
group will likely work to create that.  either way, it will work.

bonus points for scheduling places and times the first conversations can
happen on most immediate next steps.

m





--

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Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

MichaelHerman.com
OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:24 AM R Chaffe via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are
> willing to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if
> Open Space technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an
> Open Space mind set!
>
> Under promise and over deliver.  Never try to contradict what the sponsor
> requires, this well men you advise them that you are not the best person
> for the task required. Not an easy call to make when you think you need the
> work.  In the longer term you are so much stronger and you will attract the
> best clients, this is where the rubber meets the road.
>
> Regards
> Rob
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 9:26 pm, Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jake:
>
> Given the amount of control desired by the sponsor, and your playing with
> Liberating Structures , are you sure that Open Space is the most
> appropriate format for the desired outcome? I might be wrong: it looks like
> a regular workshop, designed around a suitable LS string, might work better
> here.
>
> An Open Space does not impose that amount of control on the participants,
> neither with respect to sessions, nor with handling outcomes in the way you
> have described. Trying to add this type of control might cause a bit of
> dissatisfaction with people who know what an Open Space really is, IMHO.
>
> Greetings,
> Rolf
>
>
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> Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 05.02.20 um 00:56:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
>
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>
> Thanks and much love,
> Jake
> 
>
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[R Chaffe via OSList]

The sponsor must be quite clear as to the level of delegation they are willing 
to give to the participants. Then as Rolf says, you must choose if Open Space 
technology is the correct process.  You may operate out of an Open Space mind 
set!

Under promise and over deliver.  Never try to contradict what the sponsor 
requires, this well men you advise them that you are not the best person for 
the task required. Not an easy call to make when you think you need the work.  
In the longer term you are so much stronger and you will attract the best 
clients, this is where the rubber meets the road.

Regards
Rob

> On 5 Feb 2020, at 9:26 pm, Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Jake:
> 
> Given the amount of control desired by the sponsor, and your playing with 
> Liberating Structures , are you sure that Open Space is the most appropriate 
> format for the desired outcome? I might be wrong: it looks like a regular 
> workshop, designed around a suitable LS string, might work better here.
> 
> An Open Space does not impose that amount of control on the participants, 
> neither with respect to sessions, nor with handling outcomes in the way you 
> have described. Trying to add this type of control might cause a bit of 
> dissatisfaction with people who know what an Open Space really is, IMHO.
> 
> Greetings,
> Rolf
> 
> 
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> Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 05.02.20 um 00:56:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>> 
>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the 
>> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then 
>> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective. 
>> 
>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy if 
>> the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I 
>> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent 
>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final call 
>> on the top 3 if the group is split.
>> 
>> Thanks and much love,
>> Jake
>> 
>> 
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
>> will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?

[Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList]

Hi Jake:

Given the amount of control desired by the sponsor, and your playing
with Liberating Structures , are you sure that Open Space is the most
appropriate format for the desired outcome? I might be wrong: it looks
like a regular workshop, designed around a suitable LS string, might
work better here.

An Open Space does not impose that amount of control on the
participants, neither with respect to sessions, nor with handling
outcomes in the way you have described. Trying to add this type of
control might cause a bit of dissatisfaction with people who know what
an Open Space really is, IMHO.

Greetings,
Rolf


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Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 05.02.20 um 00:56:
> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
>
> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's)
> and then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective. 
>
> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little
> hairy if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than
> 3. Guess I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if
> consent decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to
> make a final call on the top 3 if the group is split.
>
> Thanks and much love,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
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