Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - happiness is not in things it is in us but perhaps it really isnt in us if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can shrink/ alter parts of the brain - at any age (I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my stuff is inaccessible but had some interesting notes from a neuro psychologist at Monash on this). So if women were already living under stress, then they would be close to the 'edge' and a baby could be the final 'straw' . I am not sure how much of this stress is due to perception and expectations - surely mothers/ people in general havent always been so unhappy. Pinky - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I totally agree with both Darren and
Re: [ozmidwifery] stepchildren
I have seen the situation where the parents didn't want the children in the labour ward during the actual birth, but within minutes after the bith, the older children were the FIRST visitors and helped dress the baby, hold him,took photos and told the midwife the names they had chosen etc. Cheryl From: Marian Niddrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] stepchildren Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:34:58 +1000 Can anyone give me some help with strategies to assist mothers and fathers who are having babies in a new relationship. In a current antenatal class I have some couples in new relationships. These parents are wondering whether there are ways of helping the father's children from a previous relationship cope with a new baby. Some concerns are about the manner in which these children will react and/or accept a new step brother/sister. In these cases the mother-to-be has a good relationship with the stepchildren. Thanks for any help. Marian -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=174referral=Hotmail_taglines_plainURL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Code of Practice for Midwives
Hello fellow listers... can anyone clarify a question for me re: the ACMI National Code of Practice?? I contacted the ACMI Canberra office this week for a copy of the National Code of Practice for Midwives...its not able to be down loaded off the acmi webiteI was forwarded a document which is the 'QNCCode of Practice for Midwives, Incorporating Guidelines for Midwifery Practice' which I already have hard copies of. Am I too assume this document is the "National Code of Practice for Midwives' ?? - while I think its a great document, it seems very specifice to midwives in Queenslandcan someone fill me in please as to the National Code of Practice for Midwives. Thanks, Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew. B Mid Student ACU Melb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective/ " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
Re: [ozmidwifery] Code of Practice for Midwives
Hi All, The Code of Practice for Midwives in Victoria is available at: www.nbv.org.au/nbv/nbvonlinev1.nsf/attachment/CodePraMidVic This document is broad enough for any midwife, anywhere to apply to her practice. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Code of Practice for Midwives Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 03:54:10 EDT Hello fellow listers... can anyone clarify a question for me re: the ACMI National Code of Practice?? I contacted the ACMI Canberra office this week for a copy of the National Code of Practice for Midwives...its not able to be down loaded off the acmi webiteI was forwarded a document which is the 'QNCCode of Practice for Midwives, Incorporating Guidelines for Midwifery Practice' which I already have hard copies of. Am I too assume this document is the National Code of Practice for Midwives' ?? - while I think its a great document, it seems very specifice to midwives in Queenslandcan someone fill me in please as to the National Code of Practice for Midwives. Thanks, Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew. B Mid Student ACU Melb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective/ As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth Harriette Hartigan. --- _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=174referral=Hotmail_taglines_plainURL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: midwives are the ideal for mothers
Well done Julie - KEEP THE PRESSURE ON! Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: midwives are the ideal for mothers Hi everyone Yesterday I tried to get through on 2GB talk back radio but no luck Police Minister was their priority. Yesterday afternoon I tried to talk on ABC Radio National at 2.30pm but was in the queue till the news and no time left but Pat Brodie was excellent Below is my letter to the Herald today - this is all so quick and easy to do and so very worthwhile if it appears to be a hot topic in the community then midwives will be given more air time, more publicity and more success J in their role to help women birthing normally. Cmon lets keep stirring the cauldron hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 -Original Message-From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 2:20 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: midwives are the ideal for mothers Congratulations to the mothers to be in the South who are now able to birth locally rather than be driven out of their area to attend a larger hospital. Minimising stress and discomfort for these women should be a priority of the community, supporting them in their wishes to be cared for close to home, close to family, friends and loved ones is very important. To increase their anxieties, stresses and concerns during this time in their lives will lead on to greater risk of mental health. They should be able to remain where they feel safe and well cared for; in the care of midwives who are fully trained and the qualified carers for women during the normal process of birth. Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - happiness is not in things it is in us but perhaps it really isnt in us if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can shrink/ alter parts of the brain - at any age (I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my
[ozmidwifery] sleep baby sleep
My second letter today - we can make a difference - one family at a time. Dear Pinky, I am a new mum with a 15 week old beautiful boy. I was pressured into attending "sleep school" with Harrison as he wasn't sleeping the required hours during the day. I then persisted to practice the controlled comfort techniques for three days before plucking up enough courage to stop. I knew in my heart this was a cruel way of getting him to sleep but until I read your books I was told this was the only way. Sleep school not only made me feel as if I was failing as a mother but also took away any confidence I had to begin with. Your books gave me a shove in the right direction and the strength to stand up to the critics. I have found a way that works for us ( I call it Harrison's way!) and I'm sticking to it! There is nothing better than rocking my little man to sleep in my arms of a night or snuggling up together in our bed in the early hours of the morning. Even although it took me this long to find our way, we are enjoying each other so much. I can't thank you enough for allowing me to parent the gentle way. (By the way, Harrison sleeps much more contented and more hours now than he did while applying the sleep school). techniques
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
PS -Thankyou for your lovely feedback Cheryl Pinky - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - happiness is not in things it is in us but perhaps it really isnt in us if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can shrink/ alter parts of the brain - at any age (I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my stuff is inaccessible but had some interesting notes from a neuro psychologist at Monash on this). So if women were already living under stress, then they would be close to the 'edge' and a baby could be the final 'straw' . I am not sure how much of this stress is due to perception and expectations - surely mothers/
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi there Pinky, It seems you're being swamped by us deviant life forms who continue to put our babe's to our breast long after society thinks we should have stopped!! I'm in Adelaide, so not sure if that helps you :), am breastfeeding my 23 month old, and tandem fed with my now 4 1/2 year old for about 8 months. Love to help you if I can. Tania Smallwood -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re extending the breast
Hi all, Actually jo, You are possibly the most apropriate mum and Bethany you would be a great expert' and its all pretty fresh for you too. Kirsten I will keep your email re your sister on file. I think tandem nursing - (did it myself) is an article on its own -or part of a longer article than the mere 500 words I have. I also think I may need to break in the idea of big babies gently too. Oh tis a form of censorship isnt it, having to please editors/ advertisers etc -I was told by one group I deal with that I mustnt write about breastfeeding as it makes mothers feel guilty - and now I am not allowed to write ANY articles with my name on (I do lots of filler bits/ competitions etc) in this same wee mag - of which I am the editor (ha ha the buck doesnt stop with me but with the client) . This is why I play it fairly gently - or I wouldnt have a voice at all. And goodness knows, there are few enough places in mainstream media that we can be heard above the baby trainers/ crap from a can feeders/ unconscious birthers. A story about having your own midwife, and another about doulas are on my list too. Thanks for your offers, Pinky - Original Message - From: jo hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Tania and all you other deviates -I now have started a file - Breastfeeders -and plopped all your emails into it -My wee small brain is ticking very loudly -I think people do need to hear that babies really, actually benefit from breastfeeding as long as it goes on (and on).And why shouldnt we have a voice, that all is well and sure there are some challenges (mostly from other people), but we arent all martyrs or co-dependents or the one i 'love' - doing it for ourselves! I had a disagreement with a GP some years ago when she scoffed that I was breastfeeding James at 3 - and told me there was no goodness after 3 MONTHS! (We were also having a debate about immunisation -I was scared she would call welfare by the time I finished but I couldnt sit quietly and listen to such rot) Many years later (her clinic is conveniently close and she is otherwise a good doctor/ we dont get sick often -I didnt need baby advice any more) I took Sarah along with tonsilitis -This dr looked up her charts -to discover Sarah hadnt been sick at all for several years -in fact only had a couple of minor illnesses at all -ever. She said, your children really are very healthy arent they -she now has a poster for my crying book in her waiting room and a copy out for mums to look at. Pinky - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi there Pinky, It seems you're being swamped by us deviant life forms who continue to put our babe's to our breast long after society thinks we should have stopped!! I'm in Adelaide, so not sure if that helps you :), am breastfeeding my 23 month old, and tandem fed with my now 4 1/2 year old for about 8 months. Love to help you if I can. Tania Smallwood -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Tania Love your response deviant life forms indeed Denise - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi there Pinky, It seems you're being swamped by us deviant life forms who continue to put our babe's to our breast long after society thinks we should have stopped!! I'm in Adelaide, so not sure if that helps you :), am breastfeeding my 23 month old, and tandem fed with my now 4 1/2 year old for about 8 months. Love to help you if I can. Tania Smallwood -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website
[ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders
I have just received this from Elizabeth -any Qlanders who may have announcements etc all ready to do -they have some free listings as well -this paper is distributed free through Health Food stores, natural therapists Pinky Hello Please pardon this quick note, the second in the month. However, there is a good opportunity at the end of it for those in the health arena and interested in promotion in Brisbane. Were printing 5,000 extra copies of Living NOW! July to go in show bags to be given away at the door of the upcoming AMA (Australian Medical Association) Expo (25-27 July). This means that as well as your usual readership, the magazine will be in the hands of many people who would not normally pick it up. Last years AMA expo was their first, and everyone wondered how the holistic health faction would fare, but the organisers are pleased to report that all relevant standholders are returning this year, some with bigger stands. In other words, there was a good interest in the alternative side of things, which is important for us of course. Check them out at www.amaq.com.au If youd like to take advantage of this extra exposure we can give an extension of deadline until noon tomorrow (Thursday, 26th June). Well still honour the 25% discount weve been giving Queensland-only advertisers on account of its smaller circulation (compared with NSW and VIC), but were pleased to say that this extra 5,000 copies will take this July issue to 35,000. Email your ad/s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or simply respond to this email or phone 1800 803 714. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor
Re: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders
W.A. too?? Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders I have just received this from Elizabeth -any Qlanders who may have announcements etc all ready to do -they have some free listings as well -this paper is distributed free through Health Food stores, natural therapists Pinky Hello Please pardon this quick note, the second in the month. However, there is a good opportunity at the end of it for those in the health arena and interested in promotion in Brisbane. Were printing 5,000 extra copies of Living NOW! July to go in show bags to be given away at the door of the upcoming AMA (Australian Medical Association) Expo (25-27 July). This means that as well as your usual readership, the magazine will be in the hands of many people who would not normally pick it up. Last years AMA expo was their first, and everyone wondered how the holistic health faction would fare, but the organisers are pleased to report that all relevant standholders are returning this year, some with bigger stands. In other words, there was a good interest in the alternative side of things, which is important for us of course. Check them out at www.amaq.com.au If youd like to take advantage of this extra exposure we can give an extension of deadline until noon tomorrow (Thursday, 26th June). Well still honour the 25% discount weve been giving Queensland-only advertisers on account of its smaller circulation (compared with NSW and VIC), but were pleased to say that this extra 5,000 copies will take this July issue to 35,000. Email your ad/s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or simply respond to this email or phone 1800 803 714. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor
[ozmidwifery] eastern suburbs home birth support group (02) 9387 8777
9387 8777 Subject: eastern suburbs home birth support group Dear All, Just a reminder that the inaugral eastern suburbs home birth support group is taking place this thursday, the 26th at 8pm at my house, 6 View Street Queens Park. All are welcome, please bring a small something to nibble if you can. I will have to ask for a $5 donation this time to cover the cost of my Sydney's child ad, I will say less in the next one and it will cost less. Pass this message on to anyone who may be interested. Looking forward to meeting those who can make it. Best wishes Claire Saxby (02)9387 8777 _ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with
Re: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders
Hi Lois, I think Living Now is National but this conf is just in Qld. pinky - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders W.A. too?? Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders I have just received this from Elizabeth -any Qlanders who may have announcements etc all ready to do -they have some free listings as well -this paper is distributed free through Health Food stores, natural therapists Pinky Hello Please pardon this quick note, the second in the month. However, there is a good opportunity at the end of it for those in the health arena and interested in promotion in Brisbane. Were printing 5,000 extra copies of Living NOW! July to go in show bags to be given away at the door of the upcoming AMA (Australian Medical Association) Expo (25-27 July). This means that as well as your usual readership, the magazine will be in the hands of many people who would not normally pick it up. Last years AMA expo was their first, and everyone wondered how the holistic health faction would fare, but the organisers are pleased to report that all relevant standholders are returning this year, some with bigger stands. In other words, there was a good interest in the alternative side of things, which is important for us of course. Check them out at www.amaq.com.au If youd like to take advantage of this extra exposure we can give an extension of deadline until noon tomorrow (Thursday, 26th June). Well still honour the 25% discount weve been giving Queensland-only advertisers on account of its smaller circulation (compared with NSW and VIC), but were pleased to say that this extra 5,000 copies will take this July issue to 35,000. Email your ad/s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or simply respond to this email or phone 1800 803 714. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hugs and Congratulations Jane -I didnt realise you were pregnant. I will contact you offlist -and you are in my file too. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Lina Clerke's Teaching Aids
Hi I have just received my order from Birth International of Lina Clerkes medical intervention posters and they are excellent. They are exactly what I have needed for some time now in presenting medical interventions in a more meaningful way. They are beautifully taken photos and being laminated they will last forever, they are very sensitively depicting a variety of situations such as monitoring, induction caesarean and often where women are still able to work with their bodies whilst coping with the medical intervention. They are tasteful and positive, which is something I have been searching for, for quite a while to help with facilitating learning about medical interventions. I was moved by the beautiful shots of parents greeting and bonding with their babies after caesarean. I chose to purchase this portion of the set first, as a test, to see if they would be suitable, and I am now looking forward to eventually collecting the rest. Many thanks to Lina for this fine work well done. Hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
I can still remember my grandson, then almost 2 assisting his mum with the yumps (lumps)after his little sister was bor. My daughter said that a breast feeding toddler should be standard issue with any new baby! Judy Giesaitis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Hi to all, My Mum had some sort of twilight experience with her 3rd child. She had had short uneventful labours apart from this one. There were some problems and she woke up after the birth. We have found it interesting that that sibling had specific learning difficulties and some problems with things like hand-eye co-ordination. Needless to say no explanation was forthcoming! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 20:54 To: DOH_HUB.dgwia.[EMAIL PROTECTED]; DOH_HUB.dgwia.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Denise, i think we have all looked after 'labouring' or birthing women who do not experience pain as anyone else would know it. i destinctly remember one woman who walked into my labour unit at 8cm with a few 'aches' (very mild suprapubic discomfort with contactions which had benn 15 minly, and became 5minly on arrival at hospital. she was a multi and figured this was labour because of the regularity. if she had been asleep she would have most likely slept through them. even her birthing didn't bother her much, although i agree that she couldn;t have slept through that love Bethany -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 20 June 2003 13:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Dear Rhonda when the cervix is fully open the subsequent contractions will involuntarily push the baby out without extra voluntary effort from the woman whetehr awake or asleep!I love the stories of women who sleep through labour naturally?? Denise - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hmm - Thank you all so much. Very interesting. I would have thought that it would have created problems with bonding and feeding etc - however they probably promoted bottle feeding too?? I would expect that there would also have been problems with tearing and rupture etc - just thinking that the woman would have no control or feeling and so would not really know when to push etc and so it would interfere with the natural process. Just my thoughts on it. Anyone know why it stopped - I guess it was because of problems but there would no doubt have been some sort of catalyst to stop it? Thanks Again Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 23:01:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she that advocated how wonderful it was! - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hi, all of you knowledgable women, I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a twilight baby? Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due day not in labour - got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight! The next two were normal, natural births. Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - i presume! She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been done. Any ideas? Regards Rhonda. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of NSW Health.
