[ozmidwifery] Rural Victoria Issues
Dear Jan and Other Readers, Yes, in my area women are not necessarily induced at 38 weeks because of isolation from a base hospital, but are often heavily given the "what if" scenarios by specialists, so that they may be induced early. "Oh Mrs S. you've got a BIG baby there! And you're a long way from home aren't you!" So the new mother starts to worry.. e.g.What if it gets even bigger? What if the waters break and the baby comes quickly?? What ifwe have to drive the 1 plus hours in the night? in a storm? in a lot of pain? What if I'm not in established labour and they want to send me home? etc. etc Thesekinds of concernseat away ather confidence, she is uncomfortable, tired and vulnerable The decisionfora woman in this situationliesbetween whatseems convenient and controlled (induction),and what is a venture into the unknown (spontaneous labour). We rural midwives have to work HARD at these times to convince women of their abilities and their rights. And sometimes we do... Andsometimes. shedecides that the 'safest' way is to be induced (because the doctor said so),and all that good and positivity and confidence in herselfis lost, and the midwife too feels defeated. Sorry for the sob story but avery similar scenario has happened today Cheers Mary Doyle
[ozmidwifery] Fw: NRMA
Hi all, NRMA Health Funds are discontinuing rebates for homebirth and midwifery homecare. Below are the details and address to write letters too. thanks Jo Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: FW: NRMA Subject: NRMA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:32:07 +1100 Hi Rob, Would you be able to pass this information through the email to our families please. NRMA Health Fund are discontinuing rebates for homebirths and midwifery home care as they believe this service is not used. We need to write to NRMA as either members or prospective members to complain. Not only should the rebate for homebirths remain but it should be increased to the equivalent rebate paid for women who choose to birth their babies in a private hospital with a private obstetrician, which, if they ended up with a caesarean (private hospitals have a 25 - 50% caesarean rate) would cost upwards of $10,000 to cover fees for: 1.. hospital stay ($4000 - $6000) - this cost may not cover labour ward fees 2.. Obstetrician ($3500 - $4500) 3.. Anaesthetist (for epidural in labour which is almost assured at a private hospital or a general if required for the caesarean) 4.. Routine Paediatrician check ($150 - $200) 5.. Physiotherapy 6.. Operating theatre costs 7.. Every drug is itemised and charged to your account, even panadol. Comparatively speaking, homebirthing is saving the government and the health funds an enormous cost. Letters should be addressed to: Jenece Coyles Customer Service Manager NRMA Health Fund Myra _ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtagreferrer=hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Cas, how about reclaiming your bed and helping him to sleep near you as a copromise? You have already said that he is more contented when he sleeps beside you. If the objective is to get as much sleep as possible, perhaps a sidecar arrangement would work best? Place his cost or a single bed, beside your bed, up against the wall. Then push your bed up against that. Remove the bars off one side of the cot so you can reach him easily. This gives you and your husband enough space, while also giving him the closeness that he is craving. I think within our society we are so completely focused on having the baby in another room, we lose sight of the fact that what is most important is what works, rather than what our friends are all doing or what a book tells us is right. Many times I will hear mothers identify what works best, i.e. having the baby in bed, but they will then say in the next breath "but I don't want to get into that habit" or "I don't want to go down that path". What do you think would happen if you did make that choice? Unlikely the baby would still be there when he was 5 years old although if he was and you were all still sleeping, would that bother you? And if so, why? What would be your concerns? Before you can find a solution, you first need to identify your priorities and your concerns/fears. If having the baby in your bed works but it would cause you excessive distress then this may not be the option. As a mum of 4 who chose co sleeping with babies 2,3 and 4, a childbirth educator and a doula, I have to say that any fears about the baby being spoilt or never moving into their own room are unwarranted. My kids have all moved quite comfortably to their own beds at around 3-4 years of age. Exactly the same time that otehr friends who insisted on cots in seprate rooms had children who started to settle better at night.It doesn't really appear to makea lot of difference which method you try in terms of getting them to sleep through the night. Several points to remember: 1. Some babies just do sleep through night regardless of what their parents do or don't do - it is just luck of the draw 2. Some babies need more close connection with their parents for the first 3 years 3. It is more important to get sleep than to have good intentions - without sleep you have no ability tocarry through the good intentionsanyway! 4. Most babies tend to settle a lot more once they get beyond 3 years - regardless of what you did in the first 3 years Think about why him being in his own bed is so important to you. Is it because of preconcdeived ideas about what constitutes a good mother? Or what other's expectations of you are? Or having to explain to other people (perhaps not tewlling anyone else is a viable alternative here!) Good luck. Having had my first child who did not sleep through the night until he was four years old and after sharing countless sleepless nights with him, I can completely empathise. Nikki Macfarlane Director, Childbrith International www.childbirthinternational.com - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Hi all, I am hoping someone on this list can offer me some advice about sleep. For some time now our baby boy (who is now 10 months old) refuses to go down in the cot. Everytime I lean over the cot, no matter how I do it, he wakes up. I only have to bend over and he wakes up. We've tried settling him with a hand on his back, with massage, with singing, and he just cries and cries sometimes for more than an hour. One night I got him to sleep after a marathon 1.5 hours crying session, never leaving his side, arm through the cot bars killing me and he woke up 15 minutes later. I was exhausted. In the end he ends up in bed with us all night where he sleeps fine but hubby ends up on the floor and I end up not sleeping so great because he thrashes around or wakes up for feeds all hours of the night (and ofcourse cause it is easy to settle him that way and I am exhausted I just end up feeding him to sleep). The other issue with him crying in his cot is that it wakes up his older brother or conversely, the cat goes in there tinkling her bell and scratching at the carpet and wakes the baby up. Argh! I am getting more weary of not getting enough sleep and my hubby is getting weary of not getting to sleep in our bed! I really don't know what else to do but I feel we need to reclaim our bed and get him to sleep in his cot. Any suggestions? Cheers, Cas McCullough Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] constipated baby
Hi all - it's good to be back on the ozmidwifery list after MAJOR problems with my computer. I have basically been off-line since Christmas... and it honestly has felt that I have been out of touch with the outside world (with being at home with young children!!!). RE. constipated baby -it is highly unusual for a fully breastfed baby to be constipated. I'm sure the mentioned baby is only 3 months old, too. Fully breastfed newborns normally have a bowel motionseveral times a day... yet an older baby can go every 7 - 10 days (mine all have... my youngest currently goes every 10 days and he is 7 months old). Fully breastfed babies bowel motions should be soft (kind of like porridge) and have an inoffensive odour. If this baby is indeed only 3 months old AND fully breastfed... I would DEFINATELY be visiting a paediatrician and/ or specialist. I would also be VERY careful with prune juice and other constipation remedies with a young baby - as his digestive tract is still very immature I truly hope that there is an answer for this darling baby who is suffering so terribly... I endured a dreadful time with my first (who is now almost 12 yrs) around the time he was toliet trained (approx.2 1/2 yrs). He had severe constipation - which started from a one-off affair... yet manifested into a huge psychological condition - as every time he tried to poo after this initial one-off constipation - he had HUGE fear and dread.. and would stop himself from going... then get severely impacted... and so on... It was a dreadful time - so I can sympathise with all who have experienced this in greater and lesser degrees. cheers all, Nicole
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Oh Cas - I can SO empathise with you We are so lucky to have produced three beautiful healthy boys (12 yrs; 2 1/2 yrs; and 7 months)... yet ALL have had sleep issues (the youngest is alot better than the first 2 - just hard at the moment with teething...). My middle son has been the worst - as from day 1 -never slept for more than 1 hour straight!!! Up until recently I had to feed him every couple of hours all through the night (and during my pregnacy with my 3rd - it nearly killed me!!!). I always ended up feeding him all through the night out of sheer exhaustion - never having the energy to try to pat him etc... I can't offer any quick fix solution - but rather wanted to let you know that I have experienced this living hell also. We all co-sleep - and find this really works for us (even when they are wakeful). We have a queen bed and a single pushed up against it. I sleep in the middleof the queen bed with my 2 yr old on my right side and my 7 mth old baby on the left side of me. My husband sleeps in the single bed next to us. I also have a relaxation CD PERMANENTLYplaying all through the night. It has taken 2 1/2 years for mytoddler to finally sleep in the night (from 11pm - 5am!!) and my baby wakes approx 2-3 times...( he just stirs and squirms next to me... burrowing his head into the pillow looking for my boob!!! he doesn't actually cry or make a noise - I am able to wake with his squirming). I tried several things with our toddler - but nothing really worked that well the most recentthing I tried with positive results - was, when my toddler woke in the night and wanted a feed... and I was already feeding his baby brother... I woiuld try and get him back to sleep by 'tickling' (like drawing with my finger) his back... and saying I would feed him as soon as his brother had finished... this eventually led to him fallling off to sleep - yet took some time to get that far - as he would often cry and get upset that his baby brother was having what he wanted and wanted NOW!!! It is SO exhausting and I truly feel for you Sleep deprivation is such a shocker - it affects EVERYTHING!!! Your baby sounds like he wants to be close to you at night - as he sounds very distressed in his cot (despite you being there - there is that wall of seperation) Maybe you could perservere with the co-sleeping - and maybe try putting asingle bed next to your bed for your husband... or baby... OR put the cot alongside your bed (with side off) like a 'side-car arrangement. all the best... zz Nicole - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Hi all, I am hoping someone on this list can offer me some advice about sleep. For some time now our baby boy (who is now 10 months old) refuses to go down in the cot. Everytime I lean over the cot, no matter how I do it, he wakes up. I only have to bend over and he wakes up. We've tried settling him with a hand on his back, with massage, with singing, and he just cries and cries sometimes for more than an hour. One night I got him to sleep after a marathon 1.5 hours crying session, never leaving his side, arm through the cot bars killing me and he woke up 15 minutes later. I was exhausted. In the end he ends up in bed with us all night where he sleeps fine but hubby ends up on the floor and I end up not sleeping so great because he thrashes around or wakes up for feeds all hours of the night (and ofcourse cause it is easy to settle him that way and I am exhausted I just end up feeding him to sleep). The other issue with him crying in his cot is that it wakes up his older brother or conversely, the cat goes in there tinkling her bell and scratching at the carpet and wakes the baby up. Argh! I am getting more weary of not getting enough sleep and my hubby is getting weary of not getting to sleep in our bed! I really don't know what else to do but I feel we need to reclaim our bed and get him to sleep in his cot. Any suggestions? Cheers, Cas McCullough Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Hi Cas, Just read your e-mail. Have you tried putting a worn T-shirt or night shirt in his cot with him so he smells you and feels you are closer. I know it works for newborns but its worth a try. Wendy Taberer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne and Cas Sent: 17 March 2004 11:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Hi all, I am hoping someone on this list can offer me some advice about sleep. For some time now our baby boy (who is now 10 months old) refuses to go down in the cot. Everytime I lean over the cot, no matter how I do it, he wakes up. I only have to bend over and he wakes up. We've tried settling him with a hand on his back, with massage, with singing, and he just cries and cries sometimes for more than an hour. One night I got him to sleep after a marathon 1.5 hours crying session, never leaving his side, arm through the cot bars killing me and he woke up 15 minutes later. I was exhausted. In the end he ends up in bed with us all night where he sleeps fine but hubby ends up on the floor and I end up not sleeping so great because he thrashes around or wakes up for feeds all hours of the night (and ofcourse cause it is easy to settle him that way and I am exhausted I just end up feeding him to sleep). The other issue with him crying in his cot is that it wakes up his older brother or conversely, the cat goes in there tinkling her bell and scratching at the carpet and wakes the baby up. Argh! I am getting more weary of not getting enough sleep and my hubby is getting weary of not getting to sleep in our bed! I really don't know what else to do but I feel we need to reclaim our bed and get him to sleep in his cot. Any suggestions? Cheers, Cas McCullough Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] constipated baby
Just wanted to clarify something that I wrote in an earlier email. I suggested prune juicefor constipationbut it wasn't for the 3 month old baby but for someone else in that thread of conversation who was also writing about a constipated toddler. Sorry for the confusion. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Nicole Christensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] constipated baby Hi all - it's good to be back on the ozmidwifery list after MAJOR problems with my computer. I have basically been off-line since Christmas... and it honestly has felt that I have been out of touch with the outside world (with being at home with young children!!!). RE. constipated baby -it is highly unusual for a fully breastfed baby to be constipated. I'm sure the mentioned baby is only 3 months old, too. Fully breastfed newborns normally have a bowel motionseveral times a day... yet an older baby can go every 7 - 10 days (mine all have... my youngest currently goes every 10 days and he is 7 months old). Fully breastfed babies bowel motions should be soft (kind of like porridge) and have an inoffensive odour. If this baby is indeed only 3 months old AND fully breastfed... I would DEFINATELY be visiting a paediatrician and/ or specialist. I would also be VERY careful with prune juice and other constipation remedies with a young baby - as his digestive tract is still very immature I truly hope that there is an answer for this darling baby who is suffering so terribly... I endured a dreadful time with my first (who is now almost 12 yrs) around the time he was toliet trained (approx.2 1/2 yrs). He had severe constipation - which started from a one-off affair... yet manifested into a huge psychological condition - as every time he tried to poo after this initial one-off constipation - he had HUGE fear and dread.. and would stop himself from going... then get severely impacted... and so on... It was a dreadful time - so I can sympathise with all who have experienced this in greater and lesser degrees. cheers all, Nicole
Re: [ozmidwifery] constipated baby
Hi, Sorry for the delay in the response however i have not viewed emails for a few days. I have had the same experience. My baby from 7 months to 11 months had what i called constipation. She would have a bowel movement sometimes daily (straining) and up to 8 days (straining and huge adult size ones). On occasions when i could tell she was straining and in severe discomfort (tears etc) i would put her on her back, take off her nappy and draw her knee up to her chest and out would come this HUGE poo. And the relief on her face and the change in her personality was amazinguntil the next on. NOTE - she was fully breastfeed and on only organic whole foods which commenced at 6 months. I also gave her water. I tried heaps of things: HomeopathyDigestive powdersBelly rubsIncreased Water - 100 to 250mls daily.Prunes boiled in water then i gave her the water.Change her food to only fruit.Stopped the food for a week and gave her only breastmilk (remember she was only 7 months at the time) Nothing helped Then one day i did something different..while she was trying to poo (with the normal discomfort) i opened my awareness and tapped into her emotions. (As a mother you can do this by simply using your instinct to listen with your heart.) I felt that she was SCARED TO POO. That she did not like the sensation and she was holding it in rather than trying to get it out. From that moment on i would help her relax while she was pooingby saying 'just relax sweetie''let it out'..'take and deep breath'and i would take soft relaxing breaths with her.Now be mindful she was only 7 months old however because my emotions had change about it and i understood it seems she picked up on it...as we know kids pick up on all our emotions. It changed over the next few daysand we have not experienced since...she is now 16 moths old. The most amazing thing is i had stopped the homeopathic remedies, and dietary changes and digestive powders prior to this change and her water was around an extra 100mls or so a day...and the breast feeding amount was pretty much the same. This is how we resolved it.every child is differenti hope something in this solution resonates for you. If notgood luck with your baby. deb x - Original Message - From: Judy Giesaitis To: Ozmidwifery List (E-mail) Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] constipated baby Can anyone give me some hints please? I have a client with MS who has a 3/12 breast fed baby who is constipated. This baby has only had X2 episodes of this constipation, waits 4-5 days, pain and then a result of rabbit pellets which are chalky in appearance. The GP had an x-ray which showed a small amount of impaction and suggested a suppository and some prune juice.Mum said that there is no changes in her that she is aware of, tho she is very tired, and fatigue sometimes is a trigger for her MS. Thanks Take care, Judy ___ Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this email message is intended for thenamed addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute, take any action reliant on, or disclose any details of the information in this email to any other person or organisation. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately. __ Name; Judy Giesaitis RN CM MSc WHN MACH Position: Health Consultant Dept:CareLink Company: Australian Health Management Group Address:Locked Bag 3 WOLLONGONG NSW 2500 Phone: 1800.653.316 Fax: 02.4227.1678 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA coffee evening
Just to let you all know that if you're here in SA, or just visiting, and would like to join us for an informal chat, please come along next Thursday, 25th March, at 7.30pm at the Eastwood Community centre, Fullarton Rd. All welcome! Tania Ph 8339 4074 for more details
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Hi Cas, Sounds like there are a lot of us out here who really relate to what you are going through at the moment... We had a very similar situation with son #2, just wouldn't settle in his cot, or would go down fast asleep from a breastfeed and wake soon after, unable to settle again. It took me a while to acknowledge that what I thought would work, just didn't for this baby. Each night I would persist until about 4am, when I would deem it an acceptable time for him to come into our bed, and then of course he'd sleep beautifully, and so would we! After about 4 months of this, we both realised that keeping him out of the bed until then was just destructive, and very disruptive. We put our mattress onto the floor, and paired it with a futon next to it. Just a sea of mattresses in our room! But what it meant was that we all had heaps of space, once Jake was asleep I could crawl over onto the futon with hubby, or he could slide over there if we were hogging the mattress. We all got sleep, quite comfortably, and once we just accepted that this was how it had to be for a while, (not forever, as we've just found out, 2 years later!) it became so much more ok, enjoyable in fact! I had a real problem with having my own space, but by getting my head around the fact that I wasn't doing anything wrong, or setting myself up for a lifetime of misery by having my baby in bed with us, it became a much better way to go. I really feel for you, sleep deprivation just pervades your life, taking it one night at a time, and seeing what works for YOU is the only way to go! Good luck! Tania - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Hi all, I am hoping someone on this list can offer me some advice about sleep. For some time now our baby boy (who is now 10 months old) refuses to go down in the cot. Everytime I lean over the cot, no matter how I do it, he wakes up. I only have to bend over and he wakes up. We've tried settling him with a hand on his back, with massage, with singing, and he just cries and cries sometimes for more than an hour. One night I got him to sleep after a marathon 1.5 hours crying session, never leaving his side, arm through the cot bars killing me and he woke up 15 minutes later. I was exhausted. In the end he ends up in bed with us all night where he sleeps fine but hubby ends up on the floor and I end up not sleeping so great because he thrashes around or wakes up for feeds all hours of the night (and ofcourse cause it is easy to settle him that way and I am exhausted I just end up feeding him to sleep). The other issue with him crying in his cot is that it wakes up his older brother or conversely, the cat goes in there tinkling her bell and scratching at the carpet and wakes the baby up. Argh! I am getting more weary of not getting enough sleep and my hubby is getting weary of not getting to sleep in our bed! I really don't know what else to do but I feel we need to reclaim our bed and get him to sleep in his cot. Any suggestions? Cheers, Cas McCullough Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: NRMA
In my cancelletion email earlier this month I explained I was leaving soley due to their in adequate homebirth cover as we were planning to have more children and needed better cover. That was before this... At 22:59 +1100 17/3/04, jo hunter wrote: Hi all, NRMA Health Funds are discontinuing rebates for homebirth and midwifery homecare. Below are the details and address to write letters too. thanks Jo Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: FW: NRMA Subject: NRMA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:32:07 +1100 Hi Rob, Would you be able to pass this information through the email to our families please. NRMA Health Fund are discontinuing rebates for homebirths and midwifery home care as they believe this service is not used. We need to write to NRMA as either members or prospective members to complain. Not only should the rebate for homebirths remain but it should be increased to the equivalent rebate paid for women who choose to birth their babies in a private hospital with a private obstetrician, which, if they ended up with a caesarean (private hospitals have a 25 - 50% caesarean rate) would cost upwards of $10,000 to cover fees for: 1.. hospital stay ($4000 - $6000) - this cost may not cover labour ward fees 2.. Obstetrician ($3500 - $4500) 3.. Anaesthetist (for epidural in labour which is almost assured at a private hospital or a general if required for the caesarean) 4.. Routine Paediatrician check ($150 - $200) 5.. Physiotherapy 6.. Operating theatre costs 7.. Every drug is itemised and charged to your account, even panadol. Comparatively speaking, homebirthing is saving the government and the health funds an enormous cost. Letters should be addressed to: Jenece Coyles Customer Service Manager NRMA Health Fund Myra _ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtagreferrer=hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Thanks for your reply Nicki. I think this issue is important so I want to share my response with the group to show that sometimes our ideals can backfire on us. I am an avid co-sleeping fan and it worked well for us the first few months. When Dan was born we had his cot in our room and for the most part he was in bed with us but every night I would put him down in his own cot initially for his own safety then transfer him to our bed when he woke up so I could feed him in bed. The major problem I had back then was my then 3 year old jumping in bed with us too. He was too rough (and still is too rough) with Dan so my hubby would drag Liam back to bed and sleep in his room till he settled while I would stay with bub. After awhile, Dan started sleeping through the night and we were getting sleep and all was well with the world until he started teething at 4 months. I was still able to settle him in his cot at that time. The main reason I wanted him in the cot (and still do) is safety. He has fallen off our bed countless times and if we have a barrier up he just climbs over it. Thankfully he is figuring out how to climb off now but our bedroom floor is still littered with mattresses and cushions to catch him should he fall off again. Someone else suggested to me to put the cot against the bed like you've suggested but that wasn't going to stop him from falling off the bed. He'd just work his way around the edge and end up on the floor. So, we put his cot mattress on our floor and have tried settling him there but he just refuses. Last night he woke up about four times, I fed him twice, and when we tried to settle him on the cot mattress on the floor we had a huge fight on our hands that lasted more than an hour. As soon as I gave up and put and him in bed with me and hubby got on the floor, he settled within five minutes. We've tried settling him in our bed and transfering him but it doesn't work. We've tried giving him a drink of water and it doesn't work. We've tried breastfeeding him on the floor and it doesn't work. We can't put our mattress on the floor as our bed is huge and we have nowhere to put it in our house that would be safe. Frankly, the benefits of cosleeping are being eaten away by our lack of sleep and my husband is putting a lot of pressure on me to just put him in his cot and let him cry it out but I'm totally against that as we did control crying with Liam and it didn't work and was quite clingy and insecure up until he was about three. He says it did work but actually what worked for Liam was giving him a bottle at bed time which I'm not doing with Daniel because I'm breastfeeding exclusively (apart from solids) so I am the bottle! So, where does that leave us? No sleep, a baby in the bed and a marriage under pressure because of it! and add to that the jealousy from the Liam because we can't all fit in the bed. Liam just tries to wake Dan up all the time so it doesn't work having him in there too. I'm going out of my mind and am pretty much unable to function at the moment because I am so sleep deprived. thanks for your suggestion... I would appreciate any others too. Cheers, Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nikki MacfarlaneSent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 10:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Cas, how about reclaiming your bed and helping him to sleep near you as a copromise? You have already said that he is more contented when he sleeps beside you. If the objective is to get as much sleep as possible, perhaps a sidecar arrangement would work best? Place his cost or a single bed, beside your bed, up against the wall. Then push your bed up against that. Remove the bars off one side of the cot so you can reach him easily. This gives you and your husband enough space, while also giving him the closeness that he is craving. I think within our society we are so completely focused on having the baby in another room, we lose sight of the fact that what is most important is what works, rather than what our friends are all doing or what a book tells us is right. Many times I will hear mothers identify what works best, i.e. having the baby in bed, but they will then say in the next breath "but I don't want to get into that habit" or "I don't want to go down that path". What do you think would happen if you did make that choice? Unlikely the baby would still be there when he was 5 years old although if he was and you were all still sleeping, would that bother you? And if so, why? What would be your concerns? Before you can find a solution, you first need to identify your priorities and your concerns/fears. If having the baby in your bed works but it would
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Hi Nikki and Cas - love your suggestions Nikki. I am having memories here Cas - it is sooo hard to be sleep deprived when you have other kids and feel as tho you need to meet everyones needs - living up to the "good mother" ideal. Another consideration is the longer we struggle against what our babies/kids are telling us, the longer the stress seems to go on - often surrender (think, acceptance not submission) simply takes away the stress and baby doesnt sense our urgency so as everyone chills out, things seem to improve naturally.Having said that tho - it's not easy. Also many babies this age wake - consider what is happening for a little one - emotionally - separation anxiety is quite strong here, physically - they are becoming mobile so neurologically they will "practise" their new skills in their sleep -its great for their development butnot much fun for yours. Also teeh are starting tocome and they are being introduced to new foods - new stomach /digestive sensations and possible food sensitivity. A great book to read re restless babies/ active children who dont "wind down" easily is Fed Up by Sue Dengate. My boys were all very restless babies andhyper kids, the girls were completely calm.In fact, I often tell people if I had only had my girls I would be a very smug woman - thinking I was a perfect mother.Now they are olderwe actually joke about the faulty boy gene in our family. It is like a fault line even through the extended family. I have snce learnt about salicylates (naturally occuring chemicals in some foods as well as additives in processed foods) I can see with my 12 year old how much this affects his ability to wind down even now and how it can affect his behaviour. He is a little sod when he drinks anysoft drink, but especially coloured drinks ie fanta and we wont even mention coke.He also srill has difficulty switching off at night so we read bedtime stories - he wouldnt dream of sleeping with me now -should have heard him complain when a friend and I took our youngest boys to stay in a youth hostel and they were in the same ROOM (let alone bed!). Often eliminating these foods from your own diet can have remarkable effects on babies- also taking supplements such as fish oils (eating salmon, tuna is better) and magnesium can have a "flow on" effect. And another tip as well as the tee shirt is to gently play "Music for Dreaming"continuously during the night -use it as a sleep cue while you settle - ie breastfeed to sleep with music then later you can wean to music only. Side car arrangements ar soo good for security without squashing and you can reach out and rock bub as he stirs and may even prevent teh complete awake state. Best wishes, Pinky - Original Message - From: Nikki Macfarlane To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Cas, how about reclaiming your bed and helping him to sleep near you as a copromise? You have already said that he is more contented when he sleeps beside you. If the objective is to get as much sleep as possible, perhaps a sidecar arrangement would work best? Place his cost or a single bed, beside your bed, up against the wall. Then push your bed up against that. Remove the bars off one side of the cot so you can reach him easily. This gives you and your husband enough space, while also giving him the closeness that he is craving. I think within our society we are so completely focused on having the baby in another room, we lose sight of the fact that what is most important is what works, rather than what our friends are all doing or what a book tells us is right. Many times I will hear mothers identify what works best, i.e. having the baby in bed, but they will then say in the next breath "but I don't want to get into that habit" or "I don't want to go down that path". What do you think would happen if you did make that choice? Unlikely the baby would still be there when he was 5 years old although if he was and you were all still sleeping, would that bother you? And if so, why? What would be your concerns? Before you can find a solution, you first need to identify your priorities and your concerns/fears. If having the baby in your bed works but it would cause you excessive distress then this may not be the option. As a mum of 4 who chose co sleeping with babies 2,3 and 4, a childbirth educator and a doula, I have to say that any fears about the baby being spoilt or never moving into their own room are unwarranted. My kids have all moved quite comfortably to their own beds at around 3-4 years of age. Exactly the same time that otehr friends who insisted on cots in seprate rooms had children who started to settle better at night.It doesn't really appear to makea lot of difference which method you try in
RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Do you have The no cry sleep solution by Elizabeth Pantley? I find that each time I go back and look at my copy I find something else that might work for our current situation. Last night my husband and got our daughter through her first night without feeds and it went quite well, we hope she will be fully night weaned and sleeping through in a week or two (or a day or two would be nice :-). But she is a lot older (2 yrs) and was showing many signs of readiness. I can't see how we would have done it in your shoes so my thoughts are with you... best of luck! Jo At 7:48 +1000 18/3/04, Wayne and Cas wrote: Thanks for your reply Nicki. I think this issue is important so I want to share my response with the group to show that sometimes our ideals can backfire on us. I am an avid co-sleeping fan and it worked well for us the first few months. When Dan was born we had his cot in our room and for the most part he was in bed with us but every night I would put him down in his own cot initially for his own safety then transfer him to our bed when he woke up so I could feed him in bed. The major problem I had back then was my then 3 year old jumping in bed with us too. He was too rough (and still is too rough) with Dan so my hubby would drag Liam back to bed and sleep in his room till he settled while I would stay with bub. After awhile, Dan started sleeping through the night and we were getting sleep and all was well with the world until he started teething at 4 months. I was still able to settle him in his cot at that time. The main reason I wanted him in the cot (and still do) is safety. He has fallen off our bed countless times and if we have a barrier up he just climbs over it. Thankfully he is figuring out how to climb off now but our bedroom floor is still littered with mattresses and cushions to catch him should he fall off again. Someone else suggested to me to put the cot against the bed like you've suggested but that wasn't going to stop him from falling off the bed. He'd just work his way around the edge and end up on the floor. So, we put his cot mattress on our floor and have tried settling him there but he just refuses. Last night he woke up about four times, I fed him twice, and when we tried to settle him on the cot mattress on the floor we had a huge fight on our hands that lasted more than an hour. As soon as I gave up and put and him in bed with me and hubby got on the floor, he settled within five minutes. We've tried settling him in our bed and transfering him but it doesn't work. We've tried giving him a drink of water and it doesn't work. We've tried breastfeeding him on the floor and it doesn't work. We can't put our mattress on the floor as our bed is huge and we have nowhere to put it in our house that would be safe. Frankly, the benefits of cosleeping are being eaten away by our lack of sleep and my husband is putting a lot of pressure on me to just put him in his cot and let him cry it out but I'm totally against that as we did control crying with Liam and it didn't work and was quite clingy and insecure up until he was about three. He says it did work but actually what worked for Liam was giving him a bottle at bed time which I'm not doing with Daniel because I'm breastfeeding exclusively (apart from solids) so I am the bottle! So, where does that leave us? No sleep, a baby in the bed and a marriage under pressure because of it! and add to that the jealousy from the Liam because we can't all fit in the bed. Liam just tries to wake Dan up all the time so it doesn't work having him in there too. I'm going out of my mind and am pretty much unable to function at the moment because I am so sleep deprived. thanks for your suggestion... I would appreciate any others too. Cheers, Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough infomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@casmccullough.com http://www.casmccullough.com/www.casmccullough.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nikki Macfarlane Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Cas, how about reclaiming your bed and helping him to sleep near you as a copromise? You have already said that he is more contented when he sleeps beside you. If the objective is to get as much sleep as possible, perhaps a sidecar arrangement would work best? Place his cost or a single bed, beside your bed, up against the wall. Then push your bed up against that. Remove the bars off one side of the cot so you can reach him easily. This gives you and your husband enough space, while also giving him the closeness that he is craving. I think within our society we are so completely focused on having the baby in another room, we lose sight of the fact that what is most important is what works, rather than what our friends are all doing or what a book tells us is right. Many times I will hear
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Title: Message Hi cas, My husband was a real pain with our second. I think perhaps for the guys they are needy and cant see the light at the end of the trunnel as the first child is till intensely needy - they arent as bonded as we are to the bubs so just see a "solution" rather than how that will impact in the longer term - ie the clinginess and neediness which doesnt go away so is expressed negatively when they witness mum having a close relationship (ie breastfeeding) a younger baby - possibly simliar to Dads unmet needs rearing their ugly heads when we most need support not friction ( a man not a baby!) I used to "read aloud" -snippets of relevent info while in bed / in hearing shot of my husband. I really think some chamges happened by osmosis - he certainly wasnt seeking any info. Have you seen the Australian Association of Infant Mental Health Policy statement on controlled Crying? I have some co-sleeping links on my website www.pinky-mychild.com not to convince anyone they must cosleep, but there is some good info re infant sleep and a link to the policy statement. Some snippets out of this (read aloud) and a compromise - ie can we just try for the next few weeks (whatever time you think might be acceptable) and can you please tae charge of teh older child while I attend to the babymight take the pressure off and allow you to catch breath. - Im sure babies sensehousehold tension - you must be nearly demented with pressure from your older child and husband. Is there any way you can get support / rest?? Who lives near to help so you can have an afternoon rest - just to get your head back? If we cant change babies we need to see what we can do for the mums. Sorry I live in melbourne -its a bit far but surely someone on the list is closer to you - even one afternoon nap could help a bit. - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Thanks for your reply Nicki. I think this issue is important so I want to share my response with the group to show that sometimes our ideals can backfire on us. I am an avid co-sleeping fan and it worked well for us the first few months. When Dan was born we had his cot in our room and for the most part he was in bed with us but every night I would put him down in his own cot initially for his own safety then transfer him to our bed when he woke up so I could feed him in bed. The major problem I had back then was my then 3 year old jumping in bed with us too. He was too rough (and still is too rough) with Dan so my hubby would drag Liam back to bed and sleep in his room till he settled while I would stay with bub. After awhile, Dan started sleeping through the night and we were getting sleep and all was well with the world until he started teething at 4 months. I was still able to settle him in his cot at that time. The main reason I wanted him in the cot (and still do) is safety. He has fallen off our bed countless times and if we have a barrier up he just climbs over it. Thankfully he is figuring out how to climb off now but our bedroom floor is still littered with mattresses and cushions to catch him should he fall off again. Someone else suggested to me to put the cot against the bed like you've suggested but that wasn't going to stop him from falling off the bed. He'd just work his way around the edge and end up on the floor. So, we put his cot mattress on our floor and have tried settling him there but he just refuses. Last night he woke up about four times, I fed him twice, and when we tried to settle him on the cot mattress on the floor we had a huge fight on our hands that lasted more than an hour. As soon as I gave up and put and him in bed with me and hubby got on the floor, he settled within five minutes. We've tried settling him in our bed and transfering him but it doesn't work. We've tried giving him a drink of water and it doesn't work. We've tried breastfeeding him on the floor and it doesn't work. We can't put our mattress on the floor as our bed is huge and we have nowhere to put it in our house that would be safe. Frankly, the benefits of cosleeping are being eaten away by our lack of sleep and my husband is putting a lot of pressure on me to just put him in his cot and let him cry it out but I'm totally against that as we did control crying with Liam and it didn't work and was quite clingy and insecure up until he was about three. He says it did work but actually what worked for Liam was giving him a bottle at bed time which I'm not doing with Daniel because I'm breastfeeding exclusively (apart from solids) so I am the bottle! So, where does that leave us? No sleep, a baby in the bed and a marriage under pressure because of it! and add to that the
[ozmidwifery] [ausbirthingcommunity] Sunrise opportunity
FYI an excellent opportunity to be heard warmly, Carolyn Hastie ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 18/03/2004 10:06:46 a.m. To: Sandra Rasmussen; Nikki; Millie; honey_acharya; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; C-Aware; [EMAIL PROTECTED] au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ausbirthingcommunity] Sunrise opportunity Hi there everyone, I am writing to all the lists I am on and then some. The TV show Sunrise on Seven is having all of the state health ministers on the show next week and want to ask the consumers questions. I thought it would be very powerful if they got hundreds of emails from families asking about why we don't have access to 1 on 1 care by a known midwife? Why we are using the more expensive model of care by using Ob's? When will Australia start giving women the choices that they want need in their care? NZ has a great model, why are only NSW going over to check it out? The more of us who hope on ask our questions the better response we can hope for. The maternity Coalition here in QLD is getting the word out nationally. Please if you can have your say help make an impact. Heres the link. http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/healthforum Thanks again, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies The Maternity Coalition Inc. is an Australian umbrella organisation for midwives, mothers and other individuals interested in birth writes..rites and rights. http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [homebirth_services] Sunrise opportunity
Great opportunity for change! Get those fingers working! Please see below. Jo - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: Sandra Rasmussen ; Nikki ; Millie ; honey_acharya ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; C-Aware ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: [homebirth_services] Sunrise opportunity Hi there everyone, I am writing to all the lists I am on and then some. The TV show Sunrise on Seven is having all of the state health ministers on the show next week and want to ask the consumers questions. I thought it would be very powerful if they got hundreds of emails from families asking about why we don't have access to 1 on 1 care by a known midwife? Why we are using the more expensive model of care by using Ob's? When will Australia start giving women the choices that they want need in their care? NZ has a great model, why are only NSW going over to check it out? The more of us who hope on ask our questions the better response we can hope for. The maternity Coalition here in QLD is getting the word out nationally. Please if you can have your say help make an impact. Heres the link. http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/healthforum Thanks again, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homebirth_services/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[ozmidwifery] sleep stuff
Dear Cas, the good thing about this is you have learnt that you are def not alone in this one. We also have done the whole help, what do we do? sleep thing. Our third boy ended up being our first co-sleeper, partly because we wanted to, but mostly just to sleep. Well, he broke all the rules of what you might expect of a co-sleeping baby, shocking sleeper who fussed and wiggled all night, plus feeding very frequently. He fell out of bed despite what barriers we used. We ended up ditching the bed frame, queen matress on floor for myself and baby, hubby next to me on a single matress. I looked after the baby and hubby took care of the other two, who love their beds and do sleep very well, only needing the occ support on a restless night. It took just over 2 years for Angus to sleep at night, I now can just speak to him and gently comfort him, having a feed at around 6am ish if wanted. The most frustrating thing is that Angus sleeps in my bed space and I have to keep pushing him over, still he makes an excellent hot water bottle. My husband was away all last week and Angus slept poorly, I believe he missed hearing his Dad near him as all is quiet again. I really believe that the two of them are much closer because we co-sleep, despite him not having bodily contact at night. It has helped my husband to fully understand what goes on at night time for a mum and baby, and we have survived, quite well. Our next journey is with number 4 due in a few months and how we adapt to having another body in the bed. Maybe you could show your husband the e-mails you have received and see what he thinks, he might be worried about what his peers and colleagues think too. If the men and women he works with were honest he would discover that many of them probably have a child sleeping with them for some part of the night. Best of luck with it all, Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Thanks for your replies. I am going to move the cot back into our room and try the side car thing. I've managed to talk hubby into giving it a go although he sees it a backwards step... His tradition outlook is quite frustrating at times. Anyway, I'll let you all know how I get on. Pinky I don't have any support here really although a good friend from MC came over briefly this morning which was great as I was pretty much a basket case and will probably be for most of today. Blessings Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I wish you all the best Cas - lets hope you can find a solution that works for all of you. Interesting you mentioned your husband has a very traditional outlook on the sleep issue - if more people were more traditional they would see that traditionally we had our babies in bed. It is a relatively new phenomonen to have babies in separate rooms - started when the standard of living improved and people became wealthier - enabling them to have a bedroom for each person in the family. Before that kids all shared one bed - I remember my father in law telling me that when he grew up in a poor area of Glasgow him and his two brothers shared a bed that dropped down from the wall in the kitchen since there was only one other room in the house and that was their parents bedroom. You mentioned not having a lot of support Cas - you're based in Brisbane aren't you? I have two students in Townsville - not that close I know - who have a really open minded approach to parenting. Would you like me to put you in email contact with them? Not quite the same as face to face support but perhaps helpful. I know there are also a couple of doulas in Brisbane who may be able to point you in the right direction for support groups of other mums who can help. I am pretty sure they are listed on the database on my website - go to Find a Doula and type in Brisbane and you will see their contact details. Nikki Macfarlane www.childbirthinternational.com - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep stuff Thanks for your replies. I am going to move the cot back into our room and try the side car thing. I've managed to talk hubby into giving it a go although he sees it a backwards step... His tradition outlook is quite frustrating at times. Anyway, I'll let you all know how I get on. Pinky I don't have any support here really although a good friend from MC came over briefly this morning which was great as I was pretty much a basket case and will probably be for most of today. Blessings Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues
Title: Message Cas, What is he like during the day? Does he sleep well, and where? How do you settle him for sleep during the day? JB -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Wayne and CasSent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 10:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep issues Hi all, I am hoping someone on this list can offer me some advice about sleep. For some time now our baby boy (who is now 10 months old) refuses to go down in the cot. Everytime I lean over the cot, no matter how I do it, he wakes up. I only have to bend over and he wakes up. We've tried settling him with a hand on his back, with massage, with singing, and he just cries and cries sometimes for more than an hour. One night I got him to sleep after a marathon 1.5 hours crying session, never leaving his side, arm through the cot bars killing me and he woke up 15 minutes later. I was exhausted. In the end he ends up in bed with us all night where he sleeps fine but hubby ends up on the floor and I end up not sleeping so great because he thrashes around or wakes up for feeds all hours of the night (and ofcourse cause it is easy to settle him that way and I am exhausted I just end up feeding him to sleep). The other issue with him crying in his cot is that it wakes up his older brother or conversely, the cat goes in there tinkling her bell and scratching at the carpet and wakes the baby up. Argh! I am getting more weary of not getting enough sleep and my hubby is getting weary of not getting to sleep in our bed! I really don't know what else to do but I feel we need to reclaim our bed and get him to sleep in his cot. Any suggestions? Cheers, Cas McCullough Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
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Dear Cas, My daughter and her husband dismantled their bed and just had the mattresses on the floor. Best wishes with all your loved ones Judy Giesaitis - -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: meeting
Excellent! The address is 37HAMPDEN Road, Nedlands - I made a mistake the first time I posted it . I have told people children are welcome if they want to bring, but it is not a big venue and space is at a premium so I am tactfully suggesting they may prefer to leave kids with someone, but obviously if they cannot come otherwise then bring them. How does Thursday 1st April suit everyone for a get together? Morning tea either at Deb's or somewhere central. Other than that - an evening meeting would suit me - any evening except Wednesdays or Mondays, Judy can't make Tuesday evenings - so a Thursday or Friday might be best. The attendance list is looking more promising! Sue - Original Message - From: Jude Douyere To: Susan Cudlipp Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: meeting Hi Ya Sue I just got of the phone from a Paul Christine Coxon, they have 4/5 year old son who was just recently diagnosed with fragile X they heard about the meeting through Genitec Services at PMH and he and his wife will try to attend they are from the UK also, they have no other family here so they are rather desperate for info about support net works etc... I will start the phone around this week, the meeting place is still Hampton Rd Nedlands right? Seem's like we are finally getting the message out there now. I saw the notice in the Kalparrin newsletter also and it was in my latest LAC Newsletter also. Will Let you know how things progress after the phone around DEBS - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: Douyere ; J.G. Willock ; Leanne Pintaudi Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: re: meeting G'day all Just wondering how things are going with you all? I have so far got new members: Jodie Morton, Raphaela Lauzon-Guevarra, and F. Fontana M. Powell - these are new family members to whom the message has got through. The people at Rheola Street and DSC will be mailing out this week too so hopefully we will get a few more. In addition I have had responses from other interested people: Mariette Boelema (an accommodation officer), Scott Andrews (Kinship organisation) and David Ravine (Prof of genetics - he came to take blood from us last Sunday for the research into testing for Frax) Of our old list so far is confirmed (all being well): Janet Ackland, Wanda Finkle, Adele Scott and Ian Lyon. Haven't rung the others yet - have any of you rung your lists? Or had any calls from any others? I have responded to the e-mail from Jonathon Cohen and we are now linked with the USA foundation. We are members of the Genetic Support council (where we will be meeting) and are listed as links on all the Australian websites. Fragile X was featured on the front page of the Genetic Support Council newsletter - which I received a copy of last week. Jack returned to the family fold yesterday - a little paler than usual but glad to be home I think - he is OK. Janet's boy seems to be doing well too although has a very long road ahead of him. Let me know how you're all doing and can we make a time to meet up prior to May 1st? What's good for everyone? I would prefer NOT a weekend - evenings are good or during the day if we can all find a mutually convenient day. Cheers, Sue Susan Mark Cudlipp
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: meeting
OOOPs, sorry mid list - this was intended for my Fragile X support group list - must have hit the wrong button - apologies! Sue - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: Jude Douyere Cc: ace graphics Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: meeting Excellent! The address is 37HAMPDEN Road, Nedlands - I made a mistake the first time I posted it . I have told people children are welcome if they want to bring, but it is not a big venue and space is at a premium so I am tactfully suggesting they may prefer to leave kids with someone, but obviously if they cannot come otherwise then bring them. How does Thursday 1st April suit everyone for a get together? Morning tea either at Deb's or somewhere central. Other than that - an evening meeting would suit me - any evening except Wednesdays or Mondays, Judy can't make Tuesday evenings - so a Thursday or Friday might be best. The attendance list is looking more promising! Sue - Original Message - From: Jude Douyere To: Susan Cudlipp Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: meeting Hi Ya Sue I just got of the phone from a Paul Christine Coxon, they have 4/5 year old son who was just recently diagnosed with fragile X they heard about the meeting through Genitec Services at PMH and he and his wife will try to attend they are from the UK also, they have no other family here so they are rather desperate for info about support net works etc... I will start the phone around this week, the meeting place is still Hampton Rd Nedlands right? Seem's like we are finally getting the message out there now. I saw the notice in the Kalparrin newsletter also and it was in my latest LAC Newsletter also. Will Let you know how things progress after the phone around DEBS - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: Douyere ; J.G. Willock ; Leanne Pintaudi Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: re: meeting G'day all Just wondering how things are going with you all? I have so far got new members: Jodie Morton, Raphaela Lauzon-Guevarra, and F. Fontana M. Powell - these are new family members to whom the message has got through. The people at Rheola Street and DSC will be mailing out this week too so hopefully we will get a few more. In addition I have had responses from other interested people: Mariette Boelema (an accommodation officer), Scott Andrews (Kinship organisation) and David Ravine (Prof of genetics - he came to take blood from us last Sunday for the research into testing for Frax) Of our old list so far is confirmed (all being well): Janet Ackland, Wanda Finkle, Adele Scott and Ian Lyon. Haven't rung the others yet - have any of you rung your lists? Or had any calls from any others? I have responded to the e-mail from Jonathon Cohen and we are now linked with the USA foundation. We are members of the Genetic Support council (where we will be meeting) and are listed as links on all the Australian websites. Fragile X was featured on the front page of the Genetic Support Council newsletter - which I received a copy of last week. Jack returned to the family fold yesterday - a little paler than usual but glad to be home I think - he is OK. Janet's boy seems to be doing well too although has a very long road ahead of him. Let me know how you're all doing and can we make a time to meet up prior to May 1st? What's good for everyone? I would prefer NOT a weekend - evenings are good or during the day if we can all find a mutually convenient day. Cheers, Sue Susan Mark Cudlipp
