Re: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda
Dear Janet and all Please send copies of your emails to the NSW Minister of health [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And let Miss Devine and the editor know that you are doing this with a CC on the bottom of your letter Please do this in responding to all the outrageous media so the Minister knows there are informed midwives and consumers who try to respond to this guff!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda I gave in. I couldn't bear it any longer. J - apparently proud to hang out with the zealots Ms Devine, I am at a loss to understand why you are promoting such appalling medical misinformation. You have provided no evidence and obviously misunderstand the importance of normal physiological birth to healthy babies, and the physically healthy and emotionally intact mothers who must care for them. Your childish depiction of those of us who oppose the poorly evidenced medical model of birth in favour of the internationally recognised standard, is inaccurate in the extreme. I am a consumer who researches and makes choices on the available worldwide evidence, and despite scaremongering by obstetricians, and illinformed persons like yourself, the evidence remains the same. Routine obstetric care leads to high rates of unnecessary and dangerous interventions and concomitantly poor outcomes for mothers and babies.Let me give you some actual evidence because you have none. Citing a number of undeniably tragic case studies, given by a leading opponent of evidence based care, namely Pieter Mourik, and presenting it without references does not a case make. The World Health Organisation states clearly in its 1996 publication Care in Normal Birth: a practical guide ( http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/MSM_96_24/care_in_normal_birth_practical_guide.pdf) that routine obstetric care is potentially dangerous and just plain inappropriate for most women. Women and their babies can be harmed by unnecessary practices. Staff in referral facilities can become dysfunctional if their capacity to care for very sick women who need all their attention and expertise is swamped by the sheer number of normal births which present themselves. In their turn, such normal births are frequently managed with "standardised protocols" which only find their justification in the care of women with childbirth complications. A study of 1765 women published in the British Medical Journal in 1996 concluded that Routine specialist visits for women initially at low risk of pregnancy complications offer little or no clinical or consumer benefit.(http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/312/7030/554 ) We know from Australian studies that the outcomes of our private hospitals and private obstetricians are very poor even when compared with our deeply flawed public system. medically 'low risk' multiparous women who gave birth in a private hospital with a private obstetrician were less likely to have spontaneous onset of labour, more likely to have induction and/or augmentation, less likely to have a vaginal birth and significantly more likely to have obstetric interventions at birth. They were also more likely to have an elective or an emergency caesarean section. These women were twice as likely to have an episiotomy for a vaginal birth 19.2% v 7.0% and three times more likely to have an epidural 31.3% v 9.2%. (Rates for obstetric intervention among private and public patients in Australia: a population based descriptive study. BMJ 2000; 321: 137-141) In Ireland, the MDU found that maternal deaths accounted for 8% of all maternal negligence claims taken against obstetrician/gynaecologists from 1978-1998 (The MDU, Ireland, 1998) a clearly appalling death rate. WHO drew attention to the overprevalence of caesarean back in 1985 and yet our rates are inexorably rising as we continue to employ surgeons as primary carers. What effect does this have? To quote Marie OConnor, National surveys on maternal deaths in the United Kingdom (Hall and Bewley, 1999) show that while the mortality rate for all caesareans is six times that of vaginal birth, the fatality rate in elective caesareans is three times that of spontaneous or unassisted birth. The principal risks posed by caesarean delivery to the baby are iatrogenic prematurity and respiratory distress syndrome. As Peter S. Bernstein has noted Unfortunately, much of the
[ozmidwifery] assault in the birth suite
Hi Janet, It is amazing that people behave this way in a hospital, but would never dream of, or get away with, behaving that way anywhere else. It is easy to see why women would choose to go outside the system, and in extreme cases choose an unattended homebirth, rather than repeat experiences such as you describe. I don't know how the problem can be fixed. But I know people need to share their stories, both for their own well being and so that the system can be challenged and others can be forewarned. This is difficult though, as women should not be entering hospital to give birth feeling fearful about the way that they will be treated. Partners suffer too when women are treated so appallingly, and often are not able to advocate for a labouring woman. The hospital staff have all the power in this situation. Midwives too, can be traumatised by what happens, and as a small player in a large institution they often collude with the perpetrators so that they can continue to work with that individual without too much conflict. Of course some midwives are perpetrators too. For women who can afford a doula, this may be an excellent investment, but not everyone can afford a doula, and even fewer can afford their own midwife. It is hard for women to share their story, but I think that they should be supported to do so publicly (with a clear idea of what they hope to achieve and how they can share the story without further harm to themselves). I also think women who can afford it should at least get legal advice and ensure that the ob knows about it. Unfortunately some may be more concerned about litigation rather than the damage that they cause. At the moment power is unequally shared in the health care system, and I think this is a large part of the problem. I do think this will change as consumers start to demand that it does. Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Nicole, I wrote an enormous letter including my birth story to the hospital where my birthrape was perpetrated. It made no difference. I still have women from that hospital joining the birth trauma group I run on a regular basis. I don't understand why we consumers have to point out the violence in the system to those who work in it. If a woman says no and is disregarded, she will be traumatised. If a woman is separated from her baby and mocked by staff, she will be traumatised. If a woman screams Get out! in the middle of a VE because she has never experienced anything more excruciating in her life, it is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is a problem. To me this is like asking me to explain to my rapist that rape is bad. We know rape is bad, we shouldn't need to be told not to do it. The woman in those examples was me. You can read the story and complaint letter here http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda
That's a great letter - well done Janet. If that doesn't make them sit up and listen I don't know what will. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda I gave in. I couldn't bear it any longer. J - apparently proud to hang out with the zealots Ms Devine, I am at a loss to understand why you are promoting such appalling medical misinformation. You have provided no evidence and obviously misunderstand the importance of normal physiological birth to healthy babies, and the physically healthy and emotionally intact mothers who must care for them. Your childish depiction of those of us who oppose the poorly evidenced medical model of birth in favour of the internationally recognised standard, is inaccurate in the extreme. I am a consumer who researches and makes choices on the available worldwide evidence, and despite scaremongering by obstetricians, and illinformed persons like yourself, the evidence remains the same. Routine obstetric care leads to high rates of unnecessary and dangerous interventions and concomitantly poor outcomes for mothers and babies.Let me give you some actual evidence because you have none. Citing a number of undeniably tragic case studies, given by a leading opponent of evidence based care, namely Pieter Mourik, and presenting it without references does not a case make. The World Health Organisation states clearly in its 1996 publication Care in Normal Birth: a practical guide ( http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/MSM_96_24/care_in_normal_birth_practical_guide.pdf) that routine obstetric care is potentially dangerous and just plain inappropriate for most women. Women and their babies can be harmed by unnecessary practices. Staff in referral facilities can become dysfunctional if their capacity to care for very sick women who need all their attention and expertise is swamped by the sheer number of normal births which present themselves. In their turn, such normal births are frequently managed with "standardised protocols" which only find their justification in the care of women with childbirth complications. A study of 1765 women published in the British Medical Journal in 1996 concluded that Routine specialist visits for women initially at low risk of pregnancy complications offer little or no clinical or consumer benefit.(http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/312/7030/554 ) We know from Australian studies that the outcomes of our private hospitals and private obstetricians are very poor even when compared with our deeply flawed public system. medically 'low risk' multiparous women who gave birth in a private hospital with a private obstetrician were less likely to have spontaneous onset of labour, more likely to have induction and/or augmentation, less likely to have a vaginal birth and significantly more likely to have obstetric interventions at birth. They were also more likely to have an elective or an emergency caesarean section. These women were twice as likely to have an episiotomy for a vaginal birth 19.2% v 7.0% and three times more likely to have an epidural 31.3% v 9.2%. (Rates for obstetric intervention among private and public patients in Australia: a population based descriptive study. BMJ 2000; 321: 137-141) In Ireland, the MDU found that maternal deaths accounted for 8% of all maternal negligence claims taken against obstetrician/gynaecologists from 1978-1998 (The MDU, Ireland, 1998) a clearly appalling death rate. WHO drew attention to the overprevalence of caesarean back in 1985 and yet our rates are inexorably rising as we continue to employ surgeons as primary carers. What effect does this have? To quote Marie OConnor, National surveys on maternal deaths in the United Kingdom (Hall and Bewley, 1999) show that while the mortality rate for all caesareans is six times that of vaginal birth, the fatality rate in elective caesareans is three times that of spontaneous or unassisted birth. The principal risks posed by caesarean delivery to the baby are iatrogenic prematurity and respiratory distress syndrome. As Peter S. Bernstein has noted Unfortunately, much of the change in practice related to caesarean delivery has not been supported by evidence-based medicine; nor has there been a demonstrated improvement in neonatal outcomes with increasing rates of caesarean delivery. (COMPLICATIONS OF CAESARIAN DELIVERIES (MEDSCAPE) Author: Peter S. Bernstein, MD, MPH) The reality is that a safe birthing environment is one in which evidence based practice occurs, and this is obviously not with obstetricians, who are
RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Hi Janet, I hesitated to read your birth story, but then felt like a wimp, and read it. I am pleased that I did, although am very sorry that you had that experience. I have shared the link with my colleagues at North Central Sub Branch of the Australian College of midwives. I hope that is ok, assumed it was at it is on the web. Maybe in some small way this may help a woman in the future to not receive such appalling treatment. Thankyou, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Nicole, I wrote an enormous letter including my birth story to the hospital where my birthrape was perpetrated. It made no difference. I still have women from that hospital joining the birth trauma group I run on a regular basis. I don't understand why we consumers have to point out the violence in the system to those who work in it. If a woman says no and is disregarded, she will be traumatised. If a woman is separated from her baby and mocked by staff, she will be traumatised. If a woman screams Get out! in the middle of a VE because she has never experienced anything more excruciating in her life, it is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is a problem. To me this is like asking me to explain to my rapist that rape is bad. We know rape is bad, we shouldn't need to be told not to do it. The woman in those examples was me. You can read the story and complaint letter here http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] assault in the birth suite
I completely agree, Nicole. Women who write and share their birth stories with other women often begin to heal in ways not possible without the sharing. I posted a while ago a link to many stories which were responses to caesarean for NCAD as I felt that was one way to help carers remember that we're women not jobs. Many women I see are too traumatised to consider talking about their birthrape and I know there's no way I could set foot in RWH again hence my meeting with the HSC which amounted to diddly squat in real terms. As part of Accessing Artemis, women know that we will go to the hospy meetings with them but even then it's too hard. No one expects us to confront a rapist one to one but a raping health care professional we are supposed to sit in the room with? One of my friends vomits uncontrollably when she sees photos of her own child's birth. Another friend moved states to get away from the hospital where her son was cut out of her body against her wishes. Few people take birth trauma seriously and put it down to women having unrealistic expectations or a history of child sexual assault. It's as if the experience cannot possibly create such trauma so we must find other reasons that stop us being responsible as carers or as a society. But given women's poor access to all kinds of services, our rates of rape and domestic violence, why would women expect anything different? Women often internalise the experience because they are told how lucky they are they got a healthy baby, or told to be grateful to their carers. And many of us are told we have PND when actually we have PTSD - vastly different! Trying to get help in Melbourne after my birthrape was a nightmare and it wasn't until I became suicidal (also very common among the women I know) and sought counselling from Rhea Dempsey that I began to heal. The process continues. I still grieve a little every day that RWH took my son from me in the first 2 hours of his life. J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
That's great, Nicole. I'm always happy to talk about it : ) I was an academic teaching in a university prior to my birthrape and it ended my career so I still yearn to educate ; ) J - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Janet, I hesitated to read your birth story, but then felt like a wimp, and read it. I am pleased that I did, although am very sorry that you had that experience. I have shared the link with my colleagues at North Central Sub Branch of the Australian College of midwives. I hope that is ok, assumed it was at it is on the web. Maybe in some small way this may help a woman in the future to not receive such appalling treatment. Thankyou, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Nicole, I wrote an enormous letter including my birth story to the hospital where my birthrape was perpetrated. It made no difference. I still have women from that hospital joining the birth trauma group I run on a regular basis. I don't understand why we consumers have to point out the violence in the system to those who work in it. If a woman says no and is disregarded, she will be traumatised. If a woman is separated from her baby and mocked by staff, she will be traumatised. If a woman screams Get out! in the middle of a VE because she has never experienced anything more excruciating in her life, it is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is a problem. To me this is like asking me to explain to my rapist that rape is bad. We know rape is bad, we shouldn't need to be told not to do it. The woman in those examples was me. You can read the story and complaint letter here http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda
Well said indeed! Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda I gave in. I couldn't bear it any longer. J - apparently proud to hang out with the zealots Ms Devine, I am at a loss to understand why you are promoting such appalling medical misinformation. You have provided no evidence and obviously misunderstand the importance of normal physiological birth to healthy babies, and the physically healthy and emotionally intact mothers who must care for them. Your childish depiction of those of us who oppose the poorly evidenced medical model of birth in favour of the internationally recognised standard, is inaccurate in the extreme. I am a consumer who researches and makes choices on the available worldwide evidence, and despite scaremongering by obstetricians, and illinformed persons like yourself, the evidence remains the same. Routine obstetric care leads to high rates of unnecessary and dangerous interventions and concomitantly poor outcomes for mothers and babies.Let me give you some actual evidence because you have none. Citing a number of undeniably tragic case studies, given by a leading opponent of evidence based care, namely Pieter Mourik, and presenting it without references does not a case make. The World Health Organisation states clearly in its 1996 publication Care in Normal Birth: a practical guide ( http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/MSM_96_24/care_in_normal_birth_practical_guide.pdf) that routine obstetric care is potentially dangerous and just plain inappropriate for most women. Women and their babies can be harmed by unnecessary practices. Staff in referral facilities can become dysfunctional if their capacity to care for very sick women who need all their attention and expertise is swamped by the sheer number of normal births which present themselves. In their turn, such normal births are frequently managed with "standardised protocols" which only find their justification in the care of women with childbirth complications. A study of 1765 women published in the British Medical Journal in 1996 concluded that Routine specialist visits for women initially at low risk of pregnancy complications offer little or no clinical or consumer benefit.(http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/312/7030/554 ) We know from Australian studies that the outcomes of our private hospitals and private obstetricians are very poor even when compared with our deeply flawed public system. medically 'low risk' multiparous women who gave birth in a private hospital with a private obstetrician were less likely to have spontaneous onset of labour, more likely to have induction and/or augmentation, less likely to have a vaginal birth and significantly more likely to have obstetric interventions at birth. They were also more likely to have an elective or an emergency caesarean section. These women were twice as likely to have an episiotomy for a vaginal birth 19.2% v 7.0% and three times more likely to have an epidural 31.3% v 9.2%. (Rates for obstetric intervention among private and public patients in Australia: a population based descriptive study. BMJ 2000; 321: 137-141) In Ireland, the MDU found that maternal deaths accounted for 8% of all maternal negligence claims taken against obstetrician/gynaecologists from 1978-1998 (The MDU, Ireland, 1998) a clearly appalling death rate. WHO drew attention to the overprevalence of caesarean back in 1985 and yet our rates are inexorably rising as we continue to employ surgeons as primary carers. What effect does this have? To quote Marie OConnor, National surveys on maternal deaths in the United Kingdom (Hall and Bewley, 1999) show that while the mortality rate for all caesareans is six times that of vaginal birth, the fatality rate in elective caesareans is three times that of spontaneous or unassisted birth. The principal risks posed by caesarean delivery to the baby are iatrogenic prematurity and respiratory distress syndrome. As Peter S. Bernstein has noted Unfortunately, much of the change in practice related to caesarean delivery has not been supported by evidence-based medicine; nor has there been a demonstrated improvement in neonatal outcomes with increasing rates of caesarean delivery. (COMPLICATIONS OF CAESARIAN DELIVERIES (MEDSCAPE) Author: Peter S. Bernstein, MD, MPH) The reality is that a safe birthing environment is one in which evidence based practice occurs, and this is obviously not with obstetricians, who are
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet
Hi Jo, I would be extremely interested in obtaining a copy of cares birth after c/s booklet too. thanks kathy (tas) - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet Just wanting to let people know that CARES SA have just finished a 70+ page document covering all the issues about Birth After CS. It is AMAZINGLY GOOD (if I do say so myself! I am SO proud of Carolyn for putting it together). It covers common myths then follows up with current abstracts; highlights policies and management; outcomes and so on. ALL evidenced based. ALL current. Contents page: Table of Contents South Australian Perinatal Practice Guidelines 4 Best Available Research Comparing Risks of VBAC (Vaginal Birth After Cesarean) and of Planned Repeat C-Section 11 Women’s Satisfaction with VBAC 17 VBAC After two Caesareans 20 Midwifery Care and VBAC 24 Preparing for a Vaginal Birth After Caesarean 28 Frequently Asked Questions 35 I was told… 39 Homebirth After Caesarean 46 Uterine Rupture 52 Another Caesarean 66 Recommended Reading List 68 Statistics 71 Glossary 74 CARES SA INC. is a non profit organization who provide understanding and compassion for women recovering from caesarean birth, planning caesarean birth or aiming for a vaginal birth after caesarean (VBAC). Awareness of the individual’s rights to make informed choice is a main focus of the group. We encourage women and their families to become actively involved in the decision making that will effect the birth of their child. Aiming to increase community awareness and understanding of the issues surrounding surgical birth is also a main focus. Recovery is a crucial element for maintaining good health. It is very important that a woman is fully informed of the physical recovery, but more importantly we focus on the vital need for emotional healing. Through a safe, caring and understanding environment, women and their partners are encouraged to follow their path to emotional healing. Education is important when making decisions and it is our goal to be up-to-date on current trends and philosophies. By providing relevant information to women and the community, we hope that a greater understanding of the effects of caesarean birth will reduce the amount of traumatic experiences. Support for birth choices is vital, especially for those seeking vaginal birth after caesarean. By providing women with the options available to them and then respecting that choice, we hope to empower women and their families to achieve the desired positive birth for both mother and child. --*-- We will be willing to supply email versions for people at a small cost -perhaps a CARES membership of $20 pa- further details will be available for those interested. Yours in choice Jo Bainbridge CD CARES SA SA MC Bloomin Good Birth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] birthing pool purchase
Hi all, I have an enquiry for a woman on the Gold coast (I am in W.A) about buying a suitable pool for birthing. I would appreciate your local knowledge. Thanks, Mary Murphy
RE: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Hi Di, How about setting up an independent practice? I get calls almost everyday from women asking for referrals to IPMs, the Sydney midwives are all booked up 7 months in advance and there are just not enough midwives to meet the demand. Cheers Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 2:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Oh my Goodness!!! Im not sure I could work in the system up there!! Just emailed the Clinical Midwifery Consultant of the Northern Rivers, only to get a response saying there is no one in that position since Dec 04 I did hear Liz speak at the ICM about how midwives coped with the change when birthing was removed from Byron. Surely if ever there would be a group of motivated consumers it would be inByron, is MC active there??? Would be the perfect place for caseload midwifery. Maybe another plan.. what about Port Macquarie, wasn't there a birth centre opened there once upon a time??? Di. - Original Message - From: Stephen James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Di, I'm an unofficial ozmidder (reading the archives so as not to clog up the inbox). I live in South Golden Beach Northern rivers and am a midwife with a permanent contract at Mullum hospital. Currently on maternity leave after having given birth to my gorgeous boy Solomon, at home with 2 of the midwives I work with at Mullum. Lismore is your typical large obstetric run hospital, with some dinosaur midwives, some who have a fear of birthing and a handful who 'fly under the radar'. Tweed is the same or perhaps a little worse. Murwillumbah is in between Mullum and Tweed so I hear. Ive not worked at Lismore or M'bah but have transferred with women from Mullum there. Tweed I have experienced and had to stop for the sake of my blood pressure! shockers! Mullum offers waterbirth and there is a definite feeling of teamb/w medical and nursing/midwifery staff. They really are a great bunch. Management are not as supportive as they could be but better than other places Ive worked. There is a lot of nursing however, but when you get a birth its the next best thing to home birth. Myself and another midwife from mullum are doing a few homebirths and I imagine this will grow as our children grow. You could also speak to Liz McCall at Byron hospital cns and president of the far north coast midwives assoc. We get together every few months but are sadly notr as proactive as we could be. I would love to rant and rave some more but have a very wriggly 7 month old on my lap so will just quickly say give me a call and we can chat further. Byron loves midwives and you'd be very welcome Jessica Simms 02 6680 4346
Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Hi Jo, would love to set up a practice, but it's the whole downshifting thing, it' s scary for my partner and I to leave our $50K a year jobs to go out into the great unknown without some steady guaranteed income. Im ok with poverty, but he will take some convincing, he is a bit of a "princess" , loves the comforts of life. Me, I would just love to do what I love and spend more time with those I love! Mind you he is a country boy and I think he would settle into growing the veges quite well, just need to get him to leave the roundup behind!! Di - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Di, How about setting up an independent practice? I get calls almost everyday from women asking for referrals to IPMs, the Sydney midwives are all booked up 7 months in advance and there are just not enough midwives to meet the demand. Cheers Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 2:54 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Oh my Goodness!!! Im not sure I could work in the system up there!! Just emailed the Clinical Midwifery Consultant of the Northern Rivers, only to get a response saying there is no one in that position since Dec 04 I did hear Liz speak at the ICM about how midwives coped with the change when birthing was removed from Byron. Surely if ever there would be a group of motivated consumers it would be inByron, is MC active there??? Would be the perfect place for caseload midwifery. Maybe another plan.. what about Port Macquarie, wasn't there a birth centre opened there once upon a time??? Di. - Original Message - From: Stephen James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Di, I'm an unofficial ozmidder (reading the archives so as not to clog up the inbox). I live in South Golden Beach Northern rivers and am a midwife with a permanent contract at Mullum hospital. Currently on maternity leave after having given birth to my gorgeous boy Solomon, at home with 2 of the midwives I work with at Mullum. Lismore is your typical large obstetric run hospital, with some dinosaur midwives, some who have a fear of birthing and a handful who 'fly under the radar'. Tweed is the same or perhaps a little worse. Murwillumbah is in between Mullum and Tweed so I hear. Ive not worked at Lismore or M'bah but have transferred with women from Mullum there. Tweed I have experienced and had to stop for the sake of my blood pressure! shockers! Mullum offers waterbirth and there is a definite feeling of teamb/w medical and nursing/midwifery staff. They really are a great bunch. Management are not as supportive as they could be but better than other places Ive worked. There is a lot of nursing however, but when you get a birth its the next best thing to home birth. Myself and another midwife from mullum are doing a few homebirths and I imagine this will grow as our children grow. You could also speak to Liz McCall at Byron hospital cns and president of the far north coast midwives assoc. We get together every few months but are sadly notr as proactive as we could be. I would love to rant and rave some more but have a very wriggly 7 month old on my lap so will just quickly say give me a call and we can chat further. Byron loves midwives and you'd be very welcome Jessica Simms 02 6680 4346
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
I did hear Liz speak at the ICM about how midwives coped with the change when birthing was removed from Byron. Surely if ever there would be a group of motivated consumers it would be in Byron, is MC active there??? Would be the perfect place for caseload midwifery. Wow, when did birthing get removed from Byron? Why? One great thing that is up north Di is the Natural Birth Education Research Institute in Lismore http://www.naturalbirth.org.au/index.html I believe too, that there are a couple of homebirth midwives up there. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Janet, After reading your story I feel so many things... To send you some more love across a couple of oceans is all I can think of right now... Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Nicole, I wrote an enormous letter including my birth story to the hospital where my birthrape was perpetrated. It made no difference. I still have women from that hospital joining the birth trauma group I run on a regular basis. I don't understand why we consumers have to point out the violence in the system to those who work in it. If a woman says no and is disregarded, she will be traumatised. If a woman is separated from her baby and mocked by staff, she will be traumatised. If a woman screams Get out! in the middle of a VE because she has never experienced anything more excruciating in her life, it is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is a problem. To me this is like asking me to explain to my rapist that rape is bad. We know rape is bad, we shouldn't need to be told not to do it. The woman in those examples was me. You can read the story and complaint letter here http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Not Sure when Abby, but births are now at Mullum and a few postnatal beds only at Byron. Di (Ive really blown my status as a lurker on the list this week!) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers I did hear Liz speak at the ICM about how midwives coped with the change when birthing was removed from Byron. Surely if ever there would be a group of motivated consumers it would be in Byron, is MC active there??? Would be the perfect place for caseload midwifery. Wow, when did birthing get removed from Byron? Why? One great thing that is up north Di is the Natural Birth Education Research Institute in Lismore http://www.naturalbirth.org.au/index.html I believe too, that there are a couple of homebirth midwives up there. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer problems with colic-like symptoms when compared with her demand-fed cousin (p. 45). Between the third and eighth week, her [Chelsea's] mom can expect her to begin sleeping seven to eight hours straight through the night. Chelsea will probably sleep ten to twelve hours per night by week twelve (p. 45). Learning disorders associated with nonstructured styles of parenting-including deficiencies in sitting, focusing, and concentrating-are minimized with routine (p. 46). Mothers who are constantly attentive by way of baby slings, shared sleep, and demand feeding, all in hopes of fostering security, too often accomplish the opposite (p. 46). One such book, On Becoming Babywise, has raised concern among pediatricians because it outlines an infant
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
I beg your pardon!!! Brenda what are you on about??? this theorising I do not have any such Q and A (in fact I dont have any Q and A) in either of my books. I do NOT in any way EVER advocate rigid routines or parent directed feeding and have never written any such information EVER -in fact I hold very opposing views. Please dont make such ignorant and defamatory statements when you obviously have not read my books which BTW - are approved by ABA and La Leche League International and recommended by the Australian Association of Infant Mental Health as an alternative to controlled crying. Hardly in agreeance with Ezzo! Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer problems with colic-like symptoms when compared with her demand-fed cousin (p. 45). Between the third and eighth week, her [Chelsea's] mom can expect her to begin sleeping seven to eight hours straight through the night. Chelsea will probably sleep ten to twelve hours per night by week twelve (p. 45). Learning disorders associated with nonstructured styles of parenting-including deficiencies in sitting, focusing, and concentrating-are minimized with routine (p. 46). Mothers who are constantly attentive by way of baby slings, shared sleep, and demand feeding, all in hopes of fostering security, too often accomplish the opposite (p. 46). One such book, On Becoming Babywise, has raised concern among pediatricians because it outlines an infant feeding program that has been associated with failure to thrive (FTT), poor weight gain, dehydration, breast milk supply
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
In the Uk, we have Gina Ford. Also a very popular book, and as a mother, doula and breastfeeding counsellor myself, her views leave an awful lot to be desired. Her books are purely anecdotal and contain not a shred of evidence. I know many mums that have collapsed into an exhausted heap trying to follow the fanatical time routines. It can take weeks to repair the damage. Why can't we just encourage mums to trust themselves, rather than reach for the latest faddish book. I have heard of the ezzo's toosounds very similar to GF! - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Thanks, Vedrana : ) It's a really good story to demonstrate that outcomes are not created solely through having support and being informed. You are really totally dependant on the hospital staff to treat you like a human. J - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Janet, After reading your story I feel so many things... To send you some more love across a couple of oceans is all I can think of right now... Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers Hi Nicole, I wrote an enormous letter including my birth story to the hospital where my birthrape was perpetrated. It made no difference. I still have women from that hospital joining the birth trauma group I run on a regular basis. I don't understand why we consumers have to point out the violence in the system to those who work in it. If a woman says no and is disregarded, she will be traumatised. If a woman is separated from her baby and mocked by staff, she will be traumatised. If a woman screams Get out! in the middle of a VE because she has never experienced anything more excruciating in her life, it is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is a problem. To me this is like asking me to explain to my rapist that rape is bad. We know rape is bad, we shouldn't need to be told not to do it. The woman in those examples was me. You can read the story and complaint letter here http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
Lisa - we have stacks of Gina's books in our bookshops too- as I teach baby massage (I am a former LLL group leader and have recently sat my LC exam), I see mums who have read these and are very confused by this rigid advice, babies who are sucking on dummies continuously, and babies who are avoiding eye contact which I assume is related to the advice to parents to avoid eye contact with infants so they get the message to sleep. I do a lot of work with infant communication and bonding and see very positive results as women regain their confidence - but feel very sad that babies and mothers are being hurt this way. I just realised two postings arrived from me re Brenda's post - my computer crashed the first time so I thought it had deleted -anyway I hope I have made myself clear! I am NOT a babytrainer! Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! In the Uk, we have Gina Ford. Also a very popular book, and as a mother, doula and breastfeeding counsellor myself, her views leave an awful lot to be desired. Her books are purely anecdotal and contain not a shred of evidence. I know many mums that have collapsed into an exhausted heap trying to follow the fanatical time routines. It can take weeks to repair the damage. Why can't we just encourage mums to trust themselves, rather than reach for the latest faddish book. I have heard of the ezzo's toosounds very similar to GF! - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer
[ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hi Abby, thanks heaps for your support and kind words. Pinky - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] BIG Apology to Pinky
Listers, I wonder if in fact I have a severe case of confused writers dreadfulfoot mouth disease! AsI have read Pinkys book use the advicebecauseit's 'infant friendly'. I don't know where my head was ! I will apologise profusely to Pinky via personal email as well as on the list ! Very bad hair day !! Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;brendamanning FN:brendamanning ORG:the midwife TEL;WORK;VOICE:03 59862535 TEL;WORK;FAX:03 59862535 ADR;WORK:;;79 Besgrove St;Rosebud;Victoria;3939;Australia LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:79 Besgrove St=0D=0ARosebud, Victoria 3939=0D=0AAustralia URL;WORK:http://www.thhmidwife.com.au EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20050929T142909Z END:VCARD
[ozmidwifery] letter to Ms devine
OK - felt moved to join the voices (zealots)so here is my 2 cents worth. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Indigestion at breakfast Dear Ms Devine I wish to add my voice to those who have taken offense at your recent publication in the media. Others have succinctly directed you to the overwhelming evidence supporting midwifery led care for healthy pregnant women, so I will not expound on that further. I only hope you have the sense to read the evidence for yourself As a reporter you have a duty to present balancedfacts, not biased opinions. The list of tragedies presented by DrMourik is, indeed, sad. However, where is the list of hospital and obstetric tragedies? The list of risks involved with entering a hospital to give birth (or indeed for any reason)? The list of deaths and damages to women from non-essential medical interventions? Do you seriously think thattragedies do not happen in hospitals? I have been a midwife for 25 years, most of that time practicing within a medical model of care, some of that time within a midwifery model of care, which, sadly, is no longer an optionopen tome. I can assure you that I have seen many incidences of damage, morbidity and even death within the hospital systems. People make mistakes. Nature is not perfect. In my experience, the majority of problems haveoccurred in situations where unnecessary intervention has been used e.g. induction of labour for non-medical reasons andelective caesarian section, which only happen in medical models of care. However, when a tragedy occurs in hospital it is rarely brought to public attention, but in a midwife-care setting or homebirth it is dramatised and publicised to maximum derogatory effect. The main ingredient needed for optimal care of pregnant women is co-operation and professional respect between care providers, so that transfers, when necessary, can be made effectively and without prejudice which is obstructive and disrespectful to all concerned. Sadly, very little co-operation is evident within the present medical mindset. It has been demonstrated that over use of medical technology and specialist care does not improve outcomes, and that the most appropriate care provider for the majority of healthy women with uncomplicated pregnancies is a midwife. Using specialist obstetricians for all women regardless of needis akin to employing a paediatrician as a babysitter, or a landscape gardener to mow your lawn. Expensive and unnecessary. Midwives are very aware of their role and responsibilities in caring for women and will refer as necessary, but I have seen time and time again that this is madeneedlessly difficult because of the attitude of the vast majority of obstetricians, and lack of appropriate cooperative care. This does not make for optimal services to women. One can argue the 'safety' issues of home or birth centre care forever - as I have said, please read the overwhelming evidence already presented to you - the point here is that women have a right to make their own choices, and midwives have a right to offer the care for which they have been trained. In Australia that right is being denied. The medical model has a virtual monopoly. Only atiny proportion of women are able to access any other care, and midwives are denied indemnity insurance making it virtually impossible to offer their services independently. Where is the choice for women here? I gather that you personally feel safer underobstetric care and in having elective surgery to deliver your babies, and presumably you have an income which allows you to access this. That is your right - I may not agree that your choice is the best one, but it is yours to make, and there is certainly no shortage of obstetric specialists out there for you to choose from. Yet you appear to support the denial of choice to other women who may not agree with you. On what basis? Your interpretation of safety issues? Are we to insist on one form of care becauseone very powerful lobby says it is superior, despite a plethora of evidence to the contrary? The medical opinion is largely financially motivated - private obstetric practice is a highly lucrative business. Public hospitals are under threat in many places and many women do not have the means to afford an expensive specialist in abnormal birth when the vast majority of them (approximately 75% according to WHO) could expect to have a normal birth if the process were not interfered with. In contrast, midwifery carehas been proven to becost effective, and, with appropriate corroborative support and back up services, safe and consumer friendly. Pregnancy and childbirth are portrayed in the media with such negative bias, there is a constant stream of 'celebrity'
Re: [ozmidwifery] Miranda Devine and the birthing zealots
Very good idea Andrea - please do it Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Miranda Devine and the birthing zealots Hi Listers, Miranda Devine has had another attepmt to justify her views. I don't know how my comments on this list found their way on the ABC forum, but I'm glad they did. I always consider being called a zealot is a compliment - just like being labelled a radical. Most of the changes in this world have been brought about by radicals who were ahead of their time. eventually their ideas become mainstream I'm sure that Dr Mourik's claims will be refuted too. What about all the claims made against doctors in hospitals who have damaged/killed babies during labour and birth? There are plenty more of these - why doesn't Mourik and Devine single them out, as Fiona Tito did in her ground breaking Federal Government enquiry into Medical Indemnity in Australia? Perhaps we should send Miranda the list of Risks of a hospital birth that was published in the UK's The Practising Midwife. In the interests of informed choice , women should be made aware of the hazards of giving birth in hospitals, so they can make considered decisions. Andrea --- Birthing zealots stoke the anti-doctor cause September 29, 2005 Rather than being a threat, medical care saves lives, writes Miranda Devine. JUDGING by the irate emails I received last week, the battle between obstetricians and a band of independent midwives shows no sign of abating as the NSW Government forges ahead with plans to open more doctor-free birthing centres. For the Government, the stand-alone centres, already open at Ryde and Belmont, near Newcastle, are a lower-cost solution to the expensive medicalisation of childbirth and dwindling numbers of specialist obstetricians. For obstetricians, who cite increased health risks to mother and child, it is madness. The Government is failing in its legal duty of care by promoting a model that we know is not as safe as the existing team model, says Dr Pieter Mourik, a retired obstetrician in Wodonga who works as a locum in regional areas. But for natural childbirth zealots, such as the group Maternity Coalition, who claim women can be safer without obstetricians and are determined to break the doctor-led monopoly, it is the welcome first step in their quest for demedicalisation. They regarded my column last week questioning the wisdom of expanding standalone birthing units, and proclaiming Australia's good record on childbirth safety, as an outrage. It caused indigestion at breakfast, according to an ABC forum on midwifery. Miranda Devine is known for her right-wing views, but this was almost too much to bear, wrote Andrea. Where do these dinosaurs live? Sally Tracy, associate professor of midwifery practice development at the University of Technology, Sydney, wrote: There are very many women who actually are terrified of birth/hospitals/drugs and, believe it or not, being attended by men in childbirth. While a woman in the new midwife-only birth centres has to be raced to hospital by ambulance in an emergency, Tracy points out there can be delays in private hospitals, too, as doctors are often not on site. Justine, a mother of four, pregnant with twins, wrote from the Hunter Valley to put the case for women in rural areas. In her area there are three midwives but no obstetrician or obstetrics-trained GP. She believes the midwife option is safer than travelling 150 kilometres for antenatal care and delivery. My 'choice' now is to dodge kangaroos [while] in labour in an area with no mobile coverage, or risk an ambulance ride c Midwifery clinics are not just better than birth on the side of the road; they can safely assist the majority of women with healthy pregnancies and refer the minority of women needing medical assistance. With a shortage of specialists available for country hospitals, she has a point. But in metropolitan areas, it makes little sense to remove birthing centres from hospitals. Shortening, not lengthening, the distance between labouring mothers and the best medical care in the event of an emergency is a no-brainer, wrote Samantha, praising the invaluable assistance of midwives during her labour. I was, however, fortunate enough to give birth in a hospital, so when my son got into distress the obstetrician was immediately on hand to assess and address the problems that were arising. Less than an hour later I had a healthy, happy baby in my arms. While many women wrote to me extolling the personal fulfilment of labour without medical intervention, for other women demands to give birth naturally were traumatic. Angela wrote about a horrendous experience
[ozmidwifery] Speaking of bad parenting advice...
Title: Message This morning, the Today show is discussing smacking and punishing children due to a father having to go to court after using a belt on his child which ended up deflecting in the child's eye and being in hospital for 4 days. They are asking for emails in - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it is - let's let them know what we all think!!! :) Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] BIG Apology to Pinky
Thankyou Brenda, Apology accepted. I was wondering what on earth you were on about as I have really enjoyed reading your posts. Do you think there has been confusion with the 'other' writer mentioned? I have been very concerned about this possibility as it wouldnt be the first time this has happened and I am wondering how to conteract this. I even had a concerned (and irate)MCH nurse call me once re a specific case - of which I had no knowledge and couldnt have even have given 'second hand' advice to the woman concerned. It turned out to also be a case of confusion over me and another person who gave rigid scheduling advice - which I definitely dont. Thanks again, Pinky - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BIG Apology to Pinky Listers, I wonder if in fact I have a severe case of confused writers dreadfulfoot mouth disease! AsI have read Pinkys book use the advicebecauseit's 'infant friendly'. I don't know where my head was ! I will apologise profusely to Pinky via personal email as well as on the list ! Very bad hair day !! Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hear hear! : ) J - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Janet, See my public apology.. Foot mouth disease Brenda - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hear hear! : ) J - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
thanks Janet - Brenda and I have made up and are speaking civilly to each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus mother support. I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ memories/ anecdotes - welcome. Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out. please email me offline if you want to share [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Pinky - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hear hear! : ) J - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Thanks too kelly I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby section) I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who would like them to print out for parents - Give me some respect (also on my site but handout is properly designed) and 15 Ways to Help your baby sleep (basic tips) plus 15 Ways to Calm the Crying. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Pinky, I'd love to put some on the Joyous Birth website with a link to your site : ) Let me know! J - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Thanks too kelly I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby section) I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who would like them to print out for parents - Give me some respect (also on my site but handout is properly designed) and 15 Ways to Help your baby sleep (basic tips) plus 15 Ways to Calm the Crying. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Windy but warmish. Anyone else? ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet
Would love some copies in Orange NSW ta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie Just wanting to let people know that CARES SA have just finished a 70+ page document covering all the issues about Birth After CS. It is AMAZINGLY GOOD (if I do say so myself! I am SO proud of Carolyn for putting it together). It covers common myths then follows up with current abstracts; highlights policies and management; outcomes and so on. ALL evidenced based. ALL current. Contents page: Table of Contents South Australian Perinatal Practice Guidelines 4 Best Available Research Comparing Risks of VBAC (Vaginal Birth After Cesarean) and of Planned Repeat C-Section 11 Women’s Satisfaction with VBAC 17 VBAC After two Caesareans 20 Midwifery Care and VBAC 24 Preparing for a Vaginal Birth After Caesarean 28 Frequently Asked Questions 35 I was told… 39 Homebirth After Caesarean 46 Uterine Rupture 52 Another Caesarean 66 Recommended Reading List 68 Statistics 71 Glossary 74 CARES SA INC. is a non profit organization who provide understanding and compassion for women recovering from caesarean birth, planning caesarean birth or aiming for a vaginal birth after caesarean (VBAC). Awareness of the individual’s rights to make informed choice is a main focus of the group. We encourage women and their families to become actively involved in the decision making that will effect the birth of their child. Aiming to increase community awareness and understanding of the issues surrounding surgical birth is also a main focus. Recovery is a crucial element for maintaining good health. It is very important that a woman is fully informed of the physical recovery, but more importantly we focus on the vital need for emotional healing. Through a safe, caring and understanding environment, women and their partners are encouraged to follow their path to emotional healing. Education is important when making decisions and it is our goal to be up-to-date on current trends and philosophies. By providing relevant information to women and the community, we hope that a greater understanding of the effects of caesarean birth will reduce the amount of traumatic experiences. Support for birth choices is vital, especially for those seeking vaginal birth after caesarean. By providing women with the options available to them and then respecting that choice, we hope to empower women and their families to achieve the desired positive birth for both mother and child. --*-- We will be willing to supply email versions for people at a small cost -perhaps a CARES membership of $20 pa- further details will be available for those interested. Yours in choice Jo Bainbridge CD CARES SA SA MC Bloomin Good Birth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] an amazing woman
Hi Pinky, Am very open to receive those helpful handouts for families. My email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks a bundle, Debbie Thanks too kelly I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby section) I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who would like them to print out for parents - Give me some respect (also on my site but handout is properly designed) and 15 Ways to Help your baby sleep (basic tips) plus 15 Ways to Calm the Crying. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] FW: Making a difference
Title: Message Another letter to Ms Devine. Dear Ms Devine, I find it hard to write to you in fear of being branded with some derogatory label. No one seems to be aware thatthere are many obstetricians that support this move towards evidenced based practice i.e., midwifery-led primary health care in normal childbirth.Would these doctors belabelled as 'natural childbirth zealots'? It appears you trust most the advise given by medical practitioners -perhaps you could make a few phone calls and speak to the doctors that support birth centres and midwifery models of care across Australia and see if their views differ from those ofDr Mourik. I encourage you to do this because it may help you to add some balance, not to mention depth, to the debate so far. As it standsreaders have a picture ofa 'band' (small group) of midwifery 'zealots' or 'nutters', who are irrationally anti-doctor intent on leading the NSW Government and women astray.The NSW governmentis portrayed asinherently evil or stupid or both because they are blinded to issues of women's and babies' safety by the promise ofcost savings. Meanwhilewe areactively encouraged to believethatthemedical practitionersalways provides safe and satisfying care to childbearing women. And it is without question that obstetricians are purelyinterested in women's safety and haveabsolutely noself-serving interest in this debate.The overall paternalistic message here is that...'It is for their own good that women be stopped from accessing the independent care of inadequately-trained midwivesand be offered onlythose skills provided bythe superiorly-trainedobstetricians'. The irony that the21st centurymessage is the sameas the one used by doctors in the 18-19th century to wrest awaychildbirth care from midwives,is not lost on many debate observers. It also seems we wastedthe 1960's in trying to stop female stereotyping - I, for one, still believewomen are capable of making intelligentchoices. Ms Devinethus far don't you think this debate is a little too simplistic and superficial - even by journalistic standards? Your eagerness to report the derogatoryadjectives used to describe midwives in contrast to thepaucity used in reference to doctors leads me to wonder ifthis is an exercise in midwife-bashing? I am hoping that you can do better than this. Regards, Ms Jacqueline Doolan Senior Lecturer (Midwifery) University of Southern Queensland Phone: 07 4631 1644 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Ms Devine
Title: Ms Devine Dear All Its great that you write to Miranda. But I do not think it will do any good. If you saw the replies (yes several) I got you would understand, caustic to say the least! Please edit your letters to 200 words and send them to the SMH letters page. We need the editor to understand that this pathetic standard of journalism is not unnoticed!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] JC
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Parties
If we encouraged Spectator Galleries when people are having sex, they would be branded as Perverted and the spectators as Perverts. This is no different. Maybe the reporting is sensationalist? Still, it is a long way from the undisturbed birthing philosophy. MM Spectator Galleries - now I have heard everything! - don't get me wrong I am all for being surrounded by supportive loved ones during labour and birth but this is a bit OTT don't you think?!
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Parties
We often have three support people in the room, and I find it is fine. Any more than that seems to be rent a crowd.The idea of galleries is just off. Perhaps this is just the journos as Mary suggests. I think itis a problem when people are only there because they feel they should be entitled to be there and so come, but are not really much support for the woman. I also find support people can sometimes chat amongst themselves, and not notice the woman's needs changing as labour progresses etc. However, if a woman is comfortable with thesse arrangements who are we to judge I will sometimes check with the woman when the support people are out of the room to see if she is finding their presence beneficial. If not, they find themselves with an errand to run such as heating up hot packs, going home to collect an 'essential' item or taking a break because 'they will need their energy' later. I have never had to tell someone to leave altogether thank goodness. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Parties If we encouraged Spectator Galleries when people are having sex, they would be branded as Perverted and the spectators as Perverts. This is no different. Maybe the reporting is sensationalist? Still, it is a long way from the undisturbed birthing philosophy. MM "Spectator Galleries" - now I have heard everything! - don't get me wrong I am all for being surrounded by supportive loved ones during labour and birth but this is a bit OTT don't you think?!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ms Devine
Title: Ms Devine I sent a pithy one yesterday but it wasn't published. As usual. J - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ms Devine Dear AllIts great that you write to Miranda. But I do not think it will do any good.If you saw the replies (yes several) I got you would understand, caustic to say the least!Please edit your letters to 200 words and send them to the SMH letters page.We need the editor to understand that this pathetic standard of journalism is not unnoticed!![EMAIL PROTECTED]JC
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Parties
One of the reasons this has become big news in the UK is that there are still many hospitals around the country who restrict those who can be with a labouring women to one person or sometimes just two. This ancient policy has not really been challenged in many places and is accepted as being just how it is. The justifications I have been given are: there is no room, safety, can't have visitors wandering around etc. I keep explaining in the many workshops that I have facilitated in the UK that we have had an open door policy in Australia since the early 80s and nothing untoward seems to have been reported. I know that crowd control measures are sometimes needed, but the general notion that a woman in labour should have whomever she wants around her, has been well accepted here. I think that many hospitals in the US have had similar restrictions. If it takes a silly article like this to get the doors opening to family and friends (even children !), then let them get on with it. way overdue! Andrea Who is off to Ireland, where they definitely won't let more than person stay with a woman in labour! At 02:52 PM 30/09/2005, you wrote: Spectator Galleries - now I have heard everything! - don't get me wrong I am all for being surrounded by supportive loved ones during labour and birth but this is a bit OTT don't you think?! Helen http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/babies-the-life-of-the-party/2005/09/29/1127804608683.htmlhttp://www.smh.com.au/news/world/babies-the-life-of-the-party/2005/09/29/1127804608683.html Babies the new life of the party September 30, 2005 Mothers are turning birth into a social occasion. Nina Goswami and Catherine Elsworth report. Once it was the private preserve of mother and cherished newborn. Then dad was allowed to join in. Now the birth of a baby is being transformed into a truly social occasion. Attended by friends and family, birthing parties are becoming popular. Mothers-to-be are sending out printed invitations and even hiring photographers to record the event. The parties - which originated in the US, where maternity unit spectator galleries have been built - have spread to Britain, where several private and public hospitals host the events. One of the maternity units at the public Guy's and St Thomas' hospitals, in central London, recently had a pregnant mother who invited seven guests to view her child's birth. Extra chairs were needed in the delivery suite. And the private Portland Hospital, also in central London, has seen such a steady increase in extended family and friends attending births that it is considering following the US example and introducing a family area, or spectator gallery, in its maternity unit. Alex Heitt is the head of midwifery at the hospital, where celebrities such as Victoria Beckham, Stella McCartney and Claudia Schiffer have given birth. Heitt said: If a mother is comfortable with having close friends and family with her, then we would encourage it, as it helps to relax her, which makes the birth a lot easier. At the moment we only have a space for a bed or futon in the delivery room for people to rest upon - but we would love to extend the facilities. A spokesman for Guy's and St Thomas' trust said: There have been times when the grandparents, sister, friend and partner have been in the delivery room. Both our private and NHS [public] mothers-to-be can have as many people in the room as they want. There is no limit, except the size of the room. Medical staff, however, do gauge whether it's safe to have a large number of people in if it's a risky delivery. The public Queen Charlotte's Hospital, in west London, the private Birth Centre in Tooting, south London, and the Hospital of St John and St Elizabeth in St John's Wood, north London, have also had increasingly more pregnant women inquiring how many people can be present at the birth. Andrea Dombrowe, from the Independent Midwives Association, has delivered a baby while the parents' four other children, aged three to 12, were present. It was actually quite good as it helped to relax the mother. I gave the children little jobs to do. One was videoing the birth, another timing it, one passing me towels and the last one helping his mother sip some water. Often the father is not the best person to give the mother support, which is why having friends she feels comfortable with around is important. While Britain is getting used to having more than one chair in the delivery room, in the US spectator galleries are appearing across the country. Barbara Bishop, a spokeswoman for St John's Health Centre in Santa Monica, California, said: We have designed our new labour and delivery area to accommodate a more extended family, or just more people. Kate Bickert, 40, made sure her gallery was full when giving birth to her first child at California Pacific Medical Centre, San Francisco. She invited her husband,
