Re: [ozmidwifery] hep c
theoretically hep c will be released into the water with woman's body fluids and would be a risk to anyone who put their hands etc into the water ( midwife, partner and baby included). Viruses are very unstable outside the human body but the potential risk would be there. I would consider the risk to the baby would be less than vaginal birth as it is getting bathed as it is being born and concentrated maternal body fluids are being washed off but it is all theoretical. If the midwife had those long gloves that ensured no water entered the gloves then there should not be a problem.AndreaOn 22/10/2006, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Lynch wrote:Can anyone give me the rationale why an otherwise healthy woman with hep c shouldn’t birth in water?Kathy
[ozmidwifery] Column in today's Advertiser
Hi everyone, Ive just received a very excited email from one of our great consumers here in Adelaide to tell me that she has had an article about homebirth printed in todays Sunday Mail, entitled No place like home for giving birth. Its on page 44. I cant access it electronically but she has it saved and when she sends it Ill send it onto the list. Ive attached my letter to the Ed, hope there is a flood of letters that are controversial enough to be printed next week! Tania X I am writing in support of the fantastic and heartfelt column written by Louise Mathwin - No place like home for giving birth. I too have experienced the professional care of a midwife - the expert in normal pregnancy and birth care, for both of my pregnancies, and as a trained midwife myself, have to say that it's the best money I've ever spent. Homebirth and exclusive midwifery care is not for every woman, but research tells us that women of all levels of risk have better outcomes when they are cared for by a known midwife, in conjunction with, where appropriate, medical and/or obstetric staff. Our soaring caesarean section rate, in some hospitals in excess of 50%, is not solely as a result of women choosing. The birth support and information groups in Adelaide (such as Birth Matters, CARES, and the Homebirth Network) are testament to that fact, with every week women contacting them to debrief about unsatisfactory and distressing birth experiences. The caesarean section rate of Independent midwives ranges around 6-10%, and even in low risk hosptial settings, those figures are tripled. What most people don't realise about choosing continuity of midwifery care and homebirth, is that all the other options are still on offer, and may be taken up if needed or wanted. Staying at home in labour, and eventually for the birth, is an added option that twice as many women are taking up today than they were three years ago. With the Department of Health's Homebirth policy about to be released, it is hoped that women of low risk will also be able to choose this option whilst accessing care through a midwifery model, such as that at the W Ch and Flinders medical centre. What a great day for women it will be when they are truly given choice of maternity care provider and place of birth, and not dictated to by their health insurance company or by lack of financial means. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 20/10/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance?
Kristin you probably already know these things but this is my understanding There are no companies who will insure doulas in Australia as far as I am aware, I looked into this 2 years ago. You could contact contracting advantage to see if they are open to the idea, a bit harder as we have no governing body or official registration. There are some Doulas who are insuredin the US. As Jo said, as a doula Idon't give advice, only options,and information(as evidence research basedas possible) there should be no need for insurance. The parents make all decisions and I don't speak on their behalf to their caregivers. I ensure the parents take responsibility for all decisions (if not them, their caregivers, if the parents have decided to leave it in their hands). If it is something the couple are worried about I would look at discussing it further and finding out what their concerns are. Honey - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? I would be cautious of a couple asking about insurance. Aren't they prepared to be responsible for their decisions, do they not understand a doulas role? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of joSent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:50 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? Hi Kristin, Ive been working as a doula for 5 years now. Doulas are not medically trained and do not give advise but rather present a list of options so that the birthing woman can make a truly informed decision herself, therefore insurance is not necessary. The doulas role is to physically and emotionally support the birthing woman and her family. In terms of advocating, it is always ideal for the woman to advocate for herself. So if things are suggested that are against her wishes, posing the question back to the woman or reminding her of what is written on her birth plan I cant see that any of this would require insurance. Warn regards Jo Hunter From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:29 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? I have been asked this by a couple who would like me to be their doula at their birth. I said that I consider myself as 'birth support' and could be a friend, relative or even a midwife off duty I suppose...? Does anyone know anymore about insurance and doulas? As a Naturopath, I have Medical Malpractise Public/Products liability - which also covers me for my CBE work. Kristin Sell ANYTHING for $10 or less at tradingpost.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Column in today's Advertiser
I saw that article it looked good. Congratulations to the woman but she did nt mention that home birth was not for everyone as there are some valild medical reasons why you cant birth at home. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 5:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Column in today's Advertiser Hi everyone, Ive just received a very excited email from one of our great consumers here in Adelaide to tell me that she has had an article about homebirth printed in todays Sunday Mail, entitled No place like home for giving birth. Its on page 44. I cant access it electronically but she has it saved and when she sends it Ill send it onto the list. Ive attached my letter to the Ed, hope there is a flood of letters that are controversial enough to be printed next week! Tania X I am writing in support of the fantastic and heartfelt column written by Louise Mathwin - No place like home for giving birth. I too have experienced the professional care of a midwife - the expert in normal pregnancy and birth care, for both of my pregnancies, and as a trained midwife myself, have to say that it's the best money I've ever spent. Homebirth and exclusive midwifery care is not for every woman, but research tells us that women of all levels of risk have better outcomes when they are cared for by a known midwife, in conjunction with, where appropriate, medical and/or obstetric staff. Our soaring caesarean section rate, in some hospitals in excess of 50%, is not solely as a result of women choosing. The birth support and information groups in Adelaide (such as Birth Matters, CARES, and the Homebirth Network) are testament to that fact, with every week women contacting them to debrief about unsatisfactory and distressing birth experiences. The caesarean section rate of Independent midwives ranges around 6-10%, and even in low risk hosptial settings, those figures are tripled. What most people don't realise about choosing continuity of midwifery care and homebirth, is that all the other options are still on offer, and may be taken up if needed or wanted. Staying at home in labour, and eventually for the birth, is an added option that twice as many women are taking up today than they were three years ago. With the Department of Health's Homebirth policy about to be released, it is hoped that women of low risk will also be able to choose this option whilst accessing care through a midwifery model, such as that at the W Ch and Flinders medical centre. What a great day for women it will be when they are truly given choice of maternity care provider and place of birth, and not dictated to by their health insurance company or by lack of financial means. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 20/10/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Barb - I have taken home posters to hand out around my 'neighbourhood" - Drs hospital etc LOVE the Calendar! Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Wouldn't there be special advertising rates for NOT-For-Profit organizations such as ABA? Or could the government sponsor such an ad as it will ultimately save them lots of money down the track if more women breastfeed. They are supposedly supporters of pushing the breastfeeding message anyway. I think it would be great to have that ad in the Australian! Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, Yes, complain, please! Send it to APMAIF. The money spent on promotion is unbelievable. I was daydreaming about putting an ad in "Australian Doctor" last week. I was thinking of a beautiful breastfeeding baby with the words "Breastfeeding. No false advertsing necesary" Until I found out the rates. $16 500 per page. Unbelievable. And, Kelly, and others thanks for your support of the Australian Breastfeeding Association. All money goes into supporting and promoting breastfeeding. Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? After today, I am definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and gave the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the products and relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main exercise seems to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to chat to those with newborns people were walking away with boxes of the stuff, some 2, 3 even 8 boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this stuff is really what they need to give their babies / toddlers the best. My mind started ticking over all these slogans I would love to see in advertising, inspired by the Suck on This article that was published in Ecologist Magazine in April, but I will bite my tongue. Btw. LOVE the new ABA calendar. Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually brought me over some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an organization they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up the fabulous work guys love it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea QuanchiSent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that they are sponsoring MCHN's comes from and the inference that MCHN are brainless idiots that cant see through their aadvertising games Andrea On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne wrote: Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be
RE: [ozmidwifery] Rest phase before 2nd stage
I think this was a recent discussion? I have seen if often enough to recognize it as a normal part of labour. some women need 10 mins, some 2 hrs and even longer. It is all about being aware and alert to the woman and babys condition. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 9:51 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rest phase before 2nd stage I know this was recently discussed on the list - but I was wondering how long you lovely midwives haveseen this occur for within a natural labour? I remembermine lasting about 10mins (enough time to get out of the car - nota great place to do transition! - and into BC) What is considered too long? 2 hours? What are the 'typical time limits' - when would risk factors be considered? Thanks, Kristin Research and compare new cars side by side at carpoint.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Column in today's Advertiser
saw that article it looked good. Congratulations to the woman but she did nt mention that home birth was not for everyone as there are some valild medical reasons why you cant birth at hom I don't think the article was meant to be a totally balanced unbiased view. It was written by a consumer with a positive view of homebirth. There are only a few valid medical reasons why you shouldn't birth at home and I think if you had one of them then you would not be looking at a homebirth option. However, the MNC homebirth circular ( I know it's british) states that the only think a woman has to do to have a homebirth is say she want's one and she must be supported. As long as she is well informed she can do so regardless to risk. Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] hep c
Ken Ward wrote: no -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Kathy Lynch *Sent:* Sunday, 22 October 2006 7:08 AM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] hep c Can anyone give me the rationale why an otherwise healthy woman with hep c shouldn’t birth in water? Kathy Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 5/10/2006 You are right to advocate for this womans right to labour and birth in water . Have birthed with a woman who was hep c pos - she entered pool after SROM and had wonderful waterbirth.Her child is now over two and they are both picture of health! Cheers Wendy Thornton -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] 60 minutes
Good on you Janet. I thought you came acorss very well. The show on the other hand just disgusts me. Barb Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
[ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes
My letter to sixty minutes I could have written an encyclopedia on that segment but figure they will only read short ones - well done Janet. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com Why do we need to label parenting styles? Or to offer such exteme definitions? This is about as much attachment parenting as saying that people who are environmentally conscious must grow all their own food, make all their own clothes, build their own homes, and live in isolation. Attachmentisn't about what kind of nappies parents use (or dont!), and it doesnt require both parents to give up their day jobs, nor does it require adults to 'earn' children's respect or never say 'no'. Surely all people deserve to be treated with respect -including children. We CAN have happy, creative children AND encourage mutual respect however long we choose to breastfeedor share sleep witb our children or whether we send them to school or not.
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding help in Mackay
Hi I have a friend who birthed last week at the Mater and is having probs with flat/inverted nipples. Very damaged and is AF as of yesterday. Sheis quite motivated to breastfeed. Any one have any suggestions as to who she can see up there? (had already been back in to the hosp and was told under no circumstances to give the baby EBM with blood in it!!). Im still 3 weeks away from moving up there so cant help for now, except on phone! Sounds like maybe a bacterial infection beginning on nipples but no sign of mastitis yet. But nipples are too painful to even express right now, I have discussed pain relief and importance of expressing Just spoke with her and she is going to call the LC at the Mater (Toni?) but I would love to be able to offer her some options in case she cant get help there. Cheers, Di
RE: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes
Well done Pinky. I hope it gets read out next week! Surely people with half a brain can see that AP is not "socially negligent", "obsessive" and "lacks common sense". In fact, those words better describesuch asilly segment! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Monday, 23 October 2006 7:12 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes My letter to sixty minutes I could have written an encyclopedia on that segment but figure they will only read short ones - well done Janet. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com Why do we need to label parenting styles? Or to offer such exteme definitions? This is about as much attachment parenting as saying that people who are environmentally conscious must grow all their own food, make all their own clothes, build their own homes, and live in isolation. Attachmentisn't about what kind of nappies parents use (or dont!), and it doesnt require both parents to give up their day jobs, nor does it require adults to 'earn' children's respect or never say 'no'. Surely all people deserve to be treated with respect -including children. We CAN have happy, creative children AND encourage mutual respect however long we choose to breastfeedor share sleep witb our children or whether we send them to school or not.
[ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
RE: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
Di M. Youre not in Mareeba in NQ by any chance? J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of D. Morgan Sent: Monday, 23 October 2006 11:17 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. >From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
I think Muswellbrook? Upper Hunter Birth Choice? Di (L) - Original Message - From: Rene and Tiffany To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Di M. Youre not in Mareeba in NQ by any chance? J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of D. MorganSent: Monday, 23 October 2006 11:17 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
Di, did we meet at Wyong once? Someone fom that direction had a look around at our unit. Di (L) - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
RE: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
Wow Di , what a fabulous story! I have a doula client birthing in Jan. She is from a place called Wee Waa and they have no maternity services. She is traveling 4 ½ hours to Bathurst to stay with family before her due date. There are also no doulas out that way so I am traveling 2 ½ hours from the lower mtns to Bathurst to be her doula. It just seems so crazy and I really feel for these women. Shes expressed how shell prob go straight to hospital because she doesnt feel comfortable labouring in front of her teenage nephews and brother in law. Ill have a chat with her about your success story Di. Thanks for sharing Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of D. Morgan Sent: Monday, 23 October 2006 11:17 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. >From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
They have a hard enough time finding midwives to work out that way too. My mum is a midwife who is working on contract at Narrabri on a regular basis (Wee Waa is a bit over an hour from Narrabri I think??) but as in most rural units there is very little choice of care. Cheers, Di (L) - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Wow Di , what a fabulous story! I have a doula client birthing in Jan. She is from a place called Wee Waa and they have no maternity services. She is traveling 4 ½ hours to Bathurst to stay with family before her due date. There are also no doulas out that way so I am traveling 2 ½ hours from the lower mtns to Bathurst to be her doula. It just seems so crazy and I really feel for these women. Shes expressed how shell prob go straight to hospital because she doesnt feel comfortable labouring in front of her teenage nephews and brother in law. Ill have a chat with her about your success story Di. Thanks for sharing Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of D. MorganSent: Monday, 23 October 2006 11:17 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services Hi Louise, Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!! I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local GP's!!) Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it back .This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women. It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they must lobby there local politician and district health servicefor support. Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful. From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and feel supported to continue the fight for our community. Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
No, Maleny-Sunshine Coast. But I think the story is the same everywhere. It is the consumers we need to get moving because no one is listening to the healthcare workers. I am still stunned at how quickly things have moved since our girls(consumers) got their teeth into the problem. They have read everything I have given them on models of care, the review of Maternity services in Qld, etc. and have a solution to just about every problem that has been put to them, I am very proud of them. Di M
RE: [ozmidwifery] Rest phase before 2nd stage
I have seen it also and consider it normal. Psychology can play a part. Two women, both friends, in the last year, waited at that point for their rushed midwife to travel 60-90 mins to reach them for the birth. Both started pushing within minutes of her arriving. One at home, one at a rural hospital with another midwife in attendance in case I could not make it. Cheers Judy --- Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this was a recent discussion? I have seen if often enough to recognize it as a normal part of labour. some women need 10 mins, some 2 hrs and even longer. It is all about being aware and alert to the woman and baby's condition. MM _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 9:51 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rest phase before 2nd stage I know this was recently discussed on the list - but I was wondering how long you lovely midwives have seen this occur for within a natural labour? I remember mine lasting about 10mins (enough time to get out of the car - not a great place to do transition! - and into BC) What is considered too long? 2 hours? What are the 'typical time limits' - when would risk factors be considered? Thanks, Kristin http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emrose.gif _ Research and compare new cars side by side at carpoint.com.au http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2749??PS=47575 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Upgrade to Internet Explorer 7, optimised for Yahoo!7 http://au.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44716/*http://au.downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services
Tragic isn't it that so many of us know this scenario in many regions over the country?? Would make a great documentary to travel around our country talking to the women in the regions of their experiences with birthing services, including those who have solved their problems with good consumer driven services. Anyone got filmmaking skills?? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services No, Maleny-Sunshine Coast. But I think the story is the same everywhere. It is the consumers we need to get moving because no one is listening to the healthcare workers. I am still stunned at how quickly things have moved since our girls(consumers) got their teeth into the problem. They have read everything I have given them on models of care, the review of Maternity services in Qld, etc. and have a solution to just about every problem that has been put to them, I am very proud of them. Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding help in Mackay
Kenacomb ointment on the nipples tiny amount and dab off before expressing (perhaps by hand?) and yes you can give baby EBM with blood in it - as long as she is hep c and hiv neg.Good luck to her! It can be done!JoOn 23/10/2006, at 7:43 AM, diane wrote:HiI have a friend who birthed last week at the Mater and is having probs with flat/inverted nipples. Very damaged and is AF as of yesterday. She is quite motivated to breastfeed. Any one have any suggestions as to who she can see up there? (had already been back in to the hosp and was told under no circumstances to give the baby EBM with blood in it!!). Im still 3 weeks away from moving up there so cant help for now, except on phone! Sounds like maybe a bacterial infection beginning on nipples but no sign of mastitis yet. But nipples are too painful to even express right now, I have discussed pain relief and importance of expressingJust spoke with her and she is going to call the LC at the Mater (Toni?) but I would love to be able to offer her some options in case she cant get help there.Cheers,Di
