RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
You might want to search for ecological breastfeeding. This is what I found: Exclusive breastfeeding means giving your baby nothing but milk from your breast; frequent nursing (including at night); pacifying the baby at your breast, rather than with a rubber pacifier; and feeding without a schedule. These behaviors will likely dry up your cervical mucus and also keep you from ovulating or menstruating. Sheila Kippley, co-founder of the Couple to Couple League, a Catholic organization that promotes Natural Family Planning, calls these behaviors ecological breastfeeding when the mother also takes a daily nap with the baby, and sleeps with the baby for easy night nursings. but I'm sure there is more. Vedrana From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six month old so she could get pregnant. That seemed like a real shame but she was very keen to get pregnant ASAP. What would ABA's advice be on this one? Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Hi, I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. From Breastfeeding Management (Brodribb)In 1988 the World Health Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form of contraception. Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy. Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower than the two percent quoted. Thus, this applies in the developed as well as developing countries and in well nourished women. A further conference in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that. Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or nearly full breastfeeding. It may also be possible to extend the duration of use beyond 6 mnths. Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but that is the tone often in such articles.) While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable. The thing to remember is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.) While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of stories is not data I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got pregnant with my 2nd. Barb - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? Absolutely. thanks for that, Janet. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100 It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1932 (20061220) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Official Waterbirth'
Hi Brenda Can you give us an update on Rosebud Midwifery Unit? You were saying recently that there were plans to stop births there - what has happened since then.? Helen - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Official Waterbirth' Hi Mary, Rosebud Midwifery Unit (Peninsula Health Network) Casey Hospital (Southern Health Network) officially 'do' waterbirths ie have a formalised P P regarding them. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au __ NOD32 1932 (20061220) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I have a friend who also wanted to get pregnant while breastfeeding so she gradually stopped nursing at night, got her period, got pregnant, gave birth and continued to breastfeed them both. Vedrana From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six month old so she could get pregnant. That seemed like a real shame but she was very keen to get pregnant ASAP. What would ABA's advice be on this one? Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Hi, I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. From Breastfeeding Management (Brodribb)In 1988 the World Health Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form of contraception. Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy. Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower than the two percent quoted. Thus, this applies in the developed as well as developing countries and in well nourished women. A further conference in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that. Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or nearly full breastfeeding. It may also be possible to extend the duration of use beyond 6 mnths. Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but that is the tone often in such articles.) While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable. The thing to remember is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.) While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of stories is not data I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got pregnant with my 2nd. Barb - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? Absolutely. thanks for that, Janet. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100 It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Well, We'd ask a lot of questions first! Help her explore why she wanted/needed to become pregnant so soon. How many feeds was the baby having? Had her period returned yet? Any other signs of fertility returning? Usually women are able to cut down feeds so that they can still concieve. But, I guess it depends on the woman. Barb - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six month old so she could get pregnant. That seemed like a real shame but she was very keen to get pregnant ASAP. What would ABA's advice be on this one? Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Hi, I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. From Breastfeeding Management (Brodribb)In 1988 the World Health Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form of contraception. Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy. Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower than the two percent quoted. Thus, this applies in the developed as well as developing countries and in well nourished women. A further conference in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that. Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or nearly full breastfeeding. It may also be possible to extend the duration of use beyond 6 mnths. Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but that is the tone often in such articles.) While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable. The thing to remember is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.) While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of stories is not data I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got pregnant with my 2nd. Barb - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? Absolutely. thanks for that, Janet. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100 It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I had a friend wean to get pregnant too, but this was a little later, about nine months. She is in her early to mid forties, and given the reduced fertility at that age, I think it is reasonable. Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I have recently met a woman who specifically gave up breastfeeding her six month old so she could get pregnant. That seemed like a real shame but she was very keen to get pregnant ASAP. What would ABA's advice be on this one? Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Hi, I don't think Lactational Amenorrhea is as risky or tricky as Janet said. From Breastfeeding Management (Brodribb)In 1988 the World Health Organisation and other interested parties formulated a concensus statement about the conditions under which Lactation provides an effective and safe form of contraception. Known as the Bellagio Concensus, it states that if a woman is fully or nearly fully breastfeeding, is amenorrhoeic and is less than 6 mnths postpartum she is 98% protected from pregnancy. Since that time, studies in Australia, Chile, the Phillippines, Pakistan and the USA have confirmed this concensus, often showing failure rates of lower than the two percent quoted. Thus, this applies in the developed as well as developing countries and in well nourished women. A further conference in Bellagio in 1995 confirmed the original findings and concluded that. Wheras amenorrheoea is an absolute requirement for ensuring a low risk of pregnancy, it might be possible to relax or break the requirement of full or nearly full breastfeeding. It may also be possible to extend the duration of use beyond 6 mnths. Kylie, please don't write an article that makes breastfeeding as a form or contraception seem unreliable, silly or so difficult to comply with that it would be impossible to use. (not that it sounds in any way like you would - but that is the tone often in such articles.) While the 2% are very vocal when they become pregnant, my observances are that Lactational Amenhorrea is extremely reliable. The thing to remember is that once your period is back all bets are off. (if under 6 mnths.) While this whole story demonstrates that the plural of stories is not data I returned to full time work when my son was 6 weeks old, and remained amenhorreac until he was 15mths, whereupon I had one period and then got pregnant with my 2nd. Barb - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? Absolutely. thanks for that, Janet. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100 It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Women's and Childrens hospital in Adelaide offer waterbirth.. Just in the process of upskilling all staff, they have created a education package for staff ect. There's some info on the SA PPG's http://www.health.sa.gov.au/ppg/Default.aspx?tabid=189 Thanks Fiona --- Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mary, Mt Barker hospital in the Adelaide hills do waterbirth. Most of the Midwives are ok to do them but there is still a few who aren't comfy with the idea. We have about 400 births annually, a six bed ward and one corner bath in a separate bathroom. Women are given the labour and birth in water guideline brochure antenataly and if we get the chance, we get them to google waterbirth and do a bit of research before they come in. Nice to see that quite a few of the smaller units have been mentioned, Cheers, Julie:) I - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Wch in Adelaide do have a waterbirth policy and are offering waterbirth provided the midwife is accredited and is competent to facilitate the water birth. The protocol can be accessed under the perinatal protocols south Australia, cheers sharon _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 1:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M _ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
RE: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids
My naturopath out me on something called Phytopro by Metagenics. I take 2 3 times a day and they are gone within 1-2 days. When I stop taking them they come back. I only have them during pg and shortly after so not long to go know but they have been great. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 12:59 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food shops, topical witchazel is excellent too. J - Original Message - From: Michelle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsor To: Ozmidwifery mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Hi everyone, Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from symptomatic relief and not becoming constipated? And in your experience how painful do women find them when they are pushing? Thanks in advance Michelle Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
What about John Flynn - they even have a DVD out which I purchased. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
My daughter had a beautiful waterbirth at Monash medical centre - my son and partner are expecting and have been told no waterbirths' at RWH in Melbourne - why??? Pinky - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Wch in Adelaide do have a waterbirth policy and are offering waterbirth provided the midwife is accredited and is competent to facilitate the water birth. The protocol can be accessed under the perinatal protocols south Australia, cheers sharon -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 1:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
The Gold Coast Hospital Birth Centre in Southport Queensland also do waterbirth. Regards, Anne Clarke
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Sue, I asked the 'powers to be' again as to why we can't use the bath. The response was that it is very dangerous What a uphill battle everything always is!! I also asked why we then don't have a policy on how to have a shower in labour. The response was walking off in a huff! Melissa P.S We only got the bath because we wrote a letter to Jim McGinty, which we got in trouble for, and interestingly enough when he came for a tour of the ward renovations last week the sign on the door which says do not use until further notice was gone. I also asked about this. Maybe Mr McGinty needs to know that the bath that he instructed to be installed is still not in use! - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find that very useful : ) J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
My Mum was fully breastfeeding me and fell pregnant with my sister when I was 3 months old. Her periods had also not started yet. I don't know how they can say it is 98% effective. I have heard of so many women who have fallen into this trap. I bleive if women do not want to fall pregnant again so soon other precautions should be taken - because you just never know. Jassy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Lynne Can you point me to some research that I can use to support the safety of waterbirth. I have just read the following reference in the SA Women's and Children's Waterbirth Policy as sent in by Fiona to Ozmid as follows: There is no evidence that perinatal mortality and morbidity, including admissions to special care nurseries for babies born into a warm water environment, is significantly different to babies born out of water (Geissbuehler et al 2004; Gilbert Tookey 1999). but wondered whether you had any other references to call on. Also wondering if you had thought about publishing Selangor's own findings? It would be a great contribution to hospitals trying to weigh up the risk benefits of waterbirth. There still seems to be such fear surrounding the whole issue in the majority of the hospital system that it would be great to have some positive local experiences/research to quote. Thanks in advance. Helen - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM __ NOD32 1933 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Triplets from two wombs
Hi, Thought you might be interested in this story from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6199363.stm Cheers Andrea -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Twins Vaginal Birth - Names Please...
These lists that are collating (eg. waterbirths and Breech VB) are a wonderful resource. Riding on Kelly's ideas for perhaps a list of Obs/Hosp/MW that support twins VB...could be useful too...? From: "Kelly Zantey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:23:44 +1100 Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator,BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Advertisement: Mobiles, computers, handsets, iPODs and more! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Hi Listers I think it would be great to have a list of both Waterbirth and Vaginal Breech Service providers.does anyone have the time or resources to do it? There is one hitch I know of with some vaginal breech providers. Some places that offer them will only offer them to their local women i.e. not those who just want to turn up from out of town or switch care providers a few weeks before they are due. This makes it difficult for people in remote areas wanting a vaginal breech birth. Even if they are prepared to travel, they may not be eligible... Helen - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1934 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
I am going to do it anyway, so I am happy to provide a link for you or the information in a file to place elsewhere - I have a link summarizing private health funds and midwifery and its no big deal to do. Such a handy resource for us on the list, as well as the women we support. I will need lots of help with interstate services, I am very familiar with Melbourne, but that's about it. I am also going to take note of special conditions, because I know of some Obs who will say they do twin vaginal birth, but only with an epi - so I want to make sure this information reflects that. So, I am happy to collate any lists of vaginal twin breech births, waterbirths (with a special mention about homebirth!), as well as VBAC friendly carers - many have rules - e.g. to 38 or 40 weeks, or max 41. so I want carers who don't have rules and will only intervene if medically necessary. Anything else you can think of let me know! Please send forth info - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Hi Listers I think it would be great to have a list of both Waterbirth and Vaginal Breech Service providers.does anyone have the time or resources to do it? There is one hitch I know of with some vaginal breech providers. Some places that offer them will only offer them to their local women i.e. not those who just want to turn up from out of town or switch care providers a few weeks before they are due. This makes it difficult for people in remote areas wanting a vaginal breech birth. Even if they are prepared to travel, they may not be eligible... Helen - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1934 (20061221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Hi Kelly, Great idea! It would be good too if you could put a note next to each name with their 'management' ideas eg. some Ob's will say they support vaginal breech births, but infact they inforce a breech extraction with epidural etc. And others who insist on a woman lying down and are very hands on, both of which can be extremely dangerous for mum and bubs. I think it would be great to really know who is naturally minded when it comes to supporting mamas in birthing their breech bubbas. Love Abby Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Good on you Kelly - great work! From: "Kelly Zantey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:38:16 +1100 I am going to do it anyway, so I am happy to provide a link for you or the information in a file to place elsewhere I have a link summarizing private health funds and midwifery and its no big deal to do. Such a handy resource for us on the list, as well as the women we support. I will need lots of help with interstate services, I am very familiar with Melbourne, but thats about it. I am also going to take note of special conditions, because I know of some Obs who will say they do twin vaginal birth, but only with an epi so I want to make sure this information reflects that. So, I am happy to collate any lists of vaginal twin breech births, waterbirths (with a special mention about homebirth!), as well as VBAC friendly carers many have rules e.g. to 38 or 40 weeks, or max 41 so I want carers who dont have rules and will only intervene if medically necessary. Anything else you can think of let me know! Please send forth info [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:20 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Hi Listers I think it would be great to have a list of both Waterbirth and Vaginal Breech Service providers.does anyone have the time or resources to do it? There is one hitch I know of with some vaginal breech providers. Some places that offer them will only offer them to their local women i.e. not those who just want to turn up from out of town or switch care providersa few weeks before they are due. Thismakes it difficult for people in remote areas wantinga vaginal breech birth. Even if they are prepared to travel, they may not be eligible... Helen - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator,BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Do you want midwives Kelly? I attend them. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1934 (20061221) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com50% off all leading brand cosmetics and free delivery at Strawberrynet ... click here to find out more -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your 98%. I have to agree with Janet though. There are very real reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture particularly. Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5 months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp! I was fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it happened. So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98% success rates re breastfeeding as contraception I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher levels. Mine was actually average to low at the times when fertility returned. There was one thing that I feel triggered fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; ) Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : ) * Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30) * Supplementing feeds (formula or solids) * Increased use of pacifiers * Feeding on schedule instead of on demand * Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night) * Waiting until bub is 6mths or older * Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking) * Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) * Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand mumma? How long will it be until your period returns? Average return of menses for women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 months and others as late as 42 months. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still affect your chances of conception. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906) Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...references.htm (lots of references for articles on lactational amenorrhea, if you want to do more research) http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...getstarted.htm http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
I've just gotta say that I'm gobsmacked at the number of hospitals/birth centres that are actually offering waterbirths as a real option! That's great! I don't get to hear much positive stuff about hospitals and birth these days. Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find that very useful : ) J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
OK, now I have a question for you - breech and talipes. A woman has just said this: Scan came back all fine, but bubs feet are in the birth canal area and as she has talipes they think with her feet being crossed over she may have trouble moving them out of where they are. We'll just have to wait a few weeks and see. Any suggestions/comments I can pass on? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Ask the woman to talk to her baby while laying head down on an ironing board that is leaning against the couch. Baby needs to know that there is a better way out and that she needs to uncross her feet and turn around. If she really relaxes her uterus that gives baby more room to move as well. Have her partner talk to the baby as well give it instructions on turning around. Many of you may laugh but there is a huge success rate talking to babies inutero. I know when I have turned (actually the babies do the turning) breech babies using hypnosis (simply relaxation of the body and no who-do-do-do) that the babies respond with arms and feet bulges everywhere as they are on the move, quite a funny sight. The babies are listening so ONLY positive talking and positive birth stories. Ask her not to listen to the war stories out there as they often create fear and tension in the mum and the bub. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... OK, now I have a question for you - breech and talipes. A woman has just said this: Scan came back all fine, but bubs feet are in the birth canal area and as she has talipes they think with her feet being crossed over she may have trouble moving them out of where they are. We'll just have to wait a few weeks and see. Any suggestions/comments I can pass on? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I won't reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
The moxa sticks close to the acupuncture points on the little toes has a good success rate too, or perhaps a combo of both.. From: "Diane Gardner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:12:59 +1100 Ask the woman to talk to her baby while layinghead down on an ironing board that is leaning against the couch. Baby needs to know that there is a better way out and that she needs to uncross her feet and turn around. If she really relaxes her uterus that gives baby more room to move as well. Have her partner talk to the baby as well give it instructions on turning around. Many of you may laugh but there is a huge success rate talking to babies inutero. I know when I have turned (actually the babies do the turning) breech babies using hypnosis (simply relaxation of the body and no who-do-do-do) that the babies respond with arms and feet bulges everywhere as they are on the move, quite a funny sight. The babies are listening so ONLY positivetalking and positive birth stories. Ask her not to listen to the war stories out there as they often create fear and tension in the mum and the bub. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... OK, now I have a question for you breech and talipes. A woman has just said this: Scan came back all fine, but bubs feet are in the birth canal area and as she has talipes they think with her feet being crossed over she may have trouble moving them out of where they are. We'll just have to wait a few weeks and see. Any suggestions/comments I can pass on? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator,BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly ZanteySent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:12 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Thank-you! And thanks to everyone in advance, I wont reply individually to everyone on the list to save clogging up emails, I will reply privately. http://www.bellybelly.com.au/articles/birth/breech-birth-in-australia - I shall have something up soon, its not live yet, creating it now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael AustinSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... Ian Etherington OB/Gyn works out of the Mater Hospital in Rockhampton and will support (even encourage) women to birth breech, so long as it isn't a footling. Merry Christmas, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please... I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.comAdvertisement: Getting married? Tell us why to WIN @ LetsShop -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
