[ozmidwifery] going off list for a while
SOrry , but 53 emails is too many to deal with. I'm going off list for a while till things are sorted out Kirsten blacker
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] politics and research
Marilyn wrote:"It is sad but true across many academic disciplines in Australia that American research is ignored rather than even be considered. There is always a supposed political reason for it. I just think it is unwarranted amongst other things. I realise that big business has funded research to such an extent in the US that it is often considered sus, many many americans realise that too, neverthless some really good stuff does come out. I just think we should keep our minds open" Interesting Marilyn, that when I was in the USA the reverse was also true - research that came out of anywhere BUT the USA was looked down on as inferior. Kirsten Blacker
Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches
Bravo Denise Furthermore, there is much evidence to support the statement many babies' are LOST through the use of formula Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches Dear Fiona Sorry but I need evidence for your statement that many babies' lives are saved by formula ??? I think/know you will find it is not only a myth, it is misinformation or propaganda as are your rationales for formula research etc... I can supply you with information to substantiate these statements Do you want it?? If you are going to influence women's choices you need to ensure your statements are accurate not opinions Try reading The politics of Breastfeeding by Gabrielle Palmer or Maureen Minchin's Breastfeeding Matters. Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches Hi all, On the formula front, let us remember that until human milk banking becomes universally available to every baby who needs to be fed by some means other than the way God intended, many babies' lives are saved by formula. Obviously we all will want that formula to be the very best available, that (while it can never replicate breastmilk) is made according to the latest research and best practice available. Who do we think will continue to research and improve these formulas if there is no financial gain? A real two-edged sword!!! I do not support the strategies of companies such as Nestle' but just want to remind others that we may be cutting off our noses to spite our faces so to speak. Also I believe we are here to support women in their choices, and as much as they might differ from our own idealistic views, the babies of these mothers (misguided though they may be) also deserve the best available, and as the babies cannot voice their choice (which I'm sure would be for breastmilk delivered in warm and comforting packaging) it is our duty of care to see that the formula they are fed is the very best substitute. Food for thought!? with love Fiona (grad/dip CE student). -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Nestle Boycott
http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html is a good start. There are various email lists around which I'm happy to discuss off list if you like. Although I think it's relevant, not everyone will find this appropriate as an ongoing topic discussion on ozmid Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Katrina Ceri To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formula Can someone point me in the direction of finding out about the product boycotts? Are there any websites devoted to this?thanks in advanceKatrina :-)On 06/09/2004, at 12:30 PM, Marilyn Kleidon wrote: Jayne:Despite loving my Milo I have boycotted nestle for at least the last 23 years and the boycott came to my attention in a Consumer Coop in Palo Alto, California. At the time I was unaware of it(the boycott)in Australia. I totally support boycotting these drug company liasons regardless of their national affiliation.The US govt and their agencies sponsor and support many disgusting practices especially those that profit big business in particulat their big business, however I personally don't think that warrants the blatant disparaging of the USA that goes on. I for one have been in more than one picket line while living there and I definetly don't support many US policies. However, everything bad or even ridiculous doesn't originate there.It is sad but true across many academic disciplines in Australia that American research is ignored rather than even be considered. There is always a supposed political reason for it. I just think it is unwarranted amongst other things. I realise that big business has funded research to such an extent in the US that it is often considered sus, many many americans realise that too, neverthless some really good stuff does come out. I just think we should keep our minds open.marilyn- Original Message -From: jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:07 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formulaMarilyn,I think in this case it is probably because the US is one of the few (only???) countries that refused to sign the WHO Code and it is common knowledge that the US allows these practices to go on unchecked. Sad but true :(Jayne- Original Message -From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:22 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formulaCould we just STOP the anti American hyperbole that flows through and through this list!First of all this happened here somewhere in Australia. And on last look nestle is a Swiss company!Does everything always sound and taste better if it has some kind of UK or NZ lilt to it??I really suggest you all look a little more closely. Some good ideas actually do come out of the USA although many of you wouldn't know because you wouldn't even look at them.I am getting more and more fed up.marilyn- Original Message -From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:53 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formulaAARRGGHHThis is one of those "that only happens in America" stories.I can't believe such a flagrant breach of WHO codes.I would complain to the nurse manager of the unit, and if you don't get and appropriate response from her, then the director of nursing of the hospital.And people wonder why there is still a nestle boycott going on out there...Kirsten Blacker- Original Message -From: barbara glare chris bright To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:07 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formulaHi,Last week I had rather an upsetting experience. I was invited to speak at a meeting of local Maternal and Child health nurses about the National Health and Medical Research Council guidelines on infant feeding. I did this in my capacity as a volunteer breastfeeding counsellor.I reached the venue at the agreed time, my talk well prepared, overheads done (at considerable personal expense ) to find..no-one there. But the table was covered in Nestle sample bags,formula samplesand empty kit kat wrappers. The nurses were out to lunch..paid for by Nestle. The first people arrived back 1/2 an hour later than I had been asked to attend. My 20 mnth old daughter was also with me, and while she was well-behaved, she had already been "good" for 1/2 an hour.Is this common practice in Maternal and child health in Victoria/Australia. Does Maternal and child health have a code of ethics? Does this still go on in hospitals (I would have thought (h
Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formula
My apologies if my comments have caused
offense.
They were written at the end of a long day, at the
end of a long week which included the ACMI conference which whilst educational
and satisfying was exhausting. I should know better than to fire off an email
when my brain is that fried!
Please also understand that when I compare our
system to that of the USA I do it based on living and working there for 2 years
as and OB RN/ prenatal educator. One of the things that absolutely horrified me
during my time there was the ever present formula advertising that to my
knowledge wasn't happening here - obviously that's not the case based on the
story we heard of the child health nurses.
Kirsten Blacker
- Original Message -
From:
Marilyn
Kleidon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:22
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and
Infant formula
Could we just STOP the anti American hyperbole
that flows through and through this list!
First of all this happened here somewhere in
Australia. And on last look nestle is a Swiss company!
Does everything always sound and taste better if
it has some kind of UK or NZ lilt to it??
I really suggest you all look a little more
closely. Some good ideas actually do come out of the USA although many of you
wouldn't know because you wouldn't even look at them.
I am getting more and more fed up.
marilyn
- Original Message -
From:
Kirsten Blacker
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:53
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and
Infant formula
AARRGGHH
This is one of those "that only happens in
America" stories.
I can't believe such a flagrant breach of WHO
codes.
I would complain to the nurse manager of the
unit, and if you don't get and appropriate response from her, then the
director of nursing of the hospital.
And people wonder why there is still a nestle
boycott going on out there...
Kirsten Blacker
- Original Message -
From:
barbara glare chris bright
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:07
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] MCH and
Infant formula
Hi,
Last week I had rather an upsetting
experience. I was invited to speak at a meeting of local Maternal
and Child health nurses about the National Health and Medical Research
Council guidelines on infant feeding. I did this in my capacity as a
volunteer breastfeeding counsellor.
I reached the venue at the agreed time, my
talk well prepared, overheads done (at considerable personal expense ) to
find..no-one there. But the table was covered in Nestle sample
bags,formula samplesand empty kit kat wrappers. The nurses
were out to lunch..paid for by Nestle. The first people arrived
back 1/2 an hour later than I had been asked to attend. My 20 mnth
old daughter was also with me, and while she was well-behaved, she had
already been "good" for 1/2 an hour.
Is this common practice in Maternal and child
health in Victoria/Australia. Does Maternal and child health have a
code of ethics? Does this still go on in hospitals (I would have
thought (hoped) not. Who would be the most appropriate person/group
to complain to. I don't believe health professionals should
compromise themselves in this way, and it is in complete contravention of
the WHO code. Some of the nurses have phoned me personally since
then to apologise. I think they could tell I was
unimpressed
Warm Regards,
Barb
IBCLC
[ozmidwifery] using last names
Hi all As there are TWO Kirstens on the list (freaky with a name as uncommon as ours!) can we please try and specify which Kirsten particulary when quoting? And I will try very hard to remember to always attach my surname! I know you can tell by the email addy but if you are replying or cut/pasting comments that doesn't always work. Maybe I'm not used to seeing another person with my name but I find it quite disconcerting to see "Kirsten said: ..." and think to myself "No I didn't!" LOL Thanks Kirsten Blacker
Re: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formula
AARRGGHH This is one of those "that only happens in America" stories. I can't believe such a flagrant breach of WHO codes. I would complain to the nurse manager of the unit, and if you don't get and appropriate response from her, then the director of nursing of the hospital. And people wonder why there is still a nestle boycott going on out there... Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] MCH and Infant formula Hi, Last week I had rather an upsetting experience. I was invited to speak at a meeting of local Maternal and Child health nurses about the National Health and Medical Research Council guidelines on infant feeding. I did this in my capacity as a volunteer breastfeeding counsellor. I reached the venue at the agreed time, my talk well prepared, overheads done (at considerable personal expense ) to find..no-one there. But the table was covered in Nestle sample bags,formula samplesand empty kit kat wrappers. The nurses were out to lunch..paid for by Nestle. The first people arrived back 1/2 an hour later than I had been asked to attend. My 20 mnth old daughter was also with me, and while she was well-behaved, she had already been "good" for 1/2 an hour. Is this common practice in Maternal and child health in Victoria/Australia. Does Maternal and child health have a code of ethics? Does this still go on in hospitals (I would have thought (hoped) not. Who would be the most appropriate person/group to complain to. I don't believe health professionals should compromise themselves in this way, and it is in complete contravention of the WHO code. Some of the nurses have phoned me personally since then to apologise. I think they could tell I was unimpressed Warm Regards, Barb IBCLC
Re: [ozmidwifery] Support in Sydney for new mum.
Title: Message I don't know how it works in NSW, but in WA many of the Chid Health Nurses set up "new mums" groups in their area. If she calls and asks the CHN in the area about it there may be one she can join and PRESTO 10 new buddies! Kirsten -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis BowmanSent: Monday, 23 August 2004 10:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Support in Sydney for new mum.Importance: High Hi All, I have a client who had a baby Saturday week ago and is moving to Sydney in the next 3 weeks. She is a first time mum and would like to find some support in Sydney to help her with the transition. She only knows one person in the city and not too well at that. She is hoping to be moving to Glebe or maybe Leichardt area, so if anyone can help me out with some contacts I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently.
have you tried ringing ABA? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Josette To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently. Hi, I may be able to help if you still need. Jo - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently. Anyone in perth got a client with lots of milk to spare. I have a friend who is dehydrated and going into hospital who would like to keep her baby on breast milk. She is going into St Johns Subi. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage??
and what about all the history prior to white settlement? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage?? Dear Dierdre The non existance of midwiferyas speperate to nursing and medicinein Australia is part of the myth and misinformation. The subjugation is only since the Nurses Acts and biulding of hospitals post WW2 and as such radiated out from them in thecities. My mother and all her 12 cousins were born at home in the 20's and 30's with a local midwife in the western suburbs of Sydney. And though my mother had a us in hosopital she rembers midwives as those who tried to dispe her fears at Crown St in the 50's Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage?? Well, I dont know about that! It certainly is MY heritage. I think we have to remember that from the first boat arrived until the 2nd world war, midwives were the ones who helped women birth.After that, the doctors took over, often by stealth outright lies, aided by the birthing women who looked forward to 10 days in bed in hospital away from the farms and all the other kids. My Great Grandmother was a homebirth midwife before the 1st world war. She "delivered" her last baby when she was 70yrs old.She had to be "certified" by a doctor early in the 1900's so that she could continue with her midwifery practice. My mother (who was delivered by her grandmother) was a midwife (schooled as a maternity nurse at KEMH)and worked in a midwife run maternity hospital for an English midwife who was "the matron". On another branch of my immediate family, there was a young woman who arrived in Portland Victoria in the 1850's who also became one of the district midwives.These women had 8 children each and still continued working with birthing women, going out in the horse cart with one of their kids to hold the lantern if it was nioght time. (no street lamps then). My mother was "modern" wasn't allowed to work after she got married. Thereare often histories of midwifery in the state libraries of each capital city. You would be surprised at how much has been recorded. Happy hunting. MM The reason its probably so hard to find info is that Australia really doesnt have much of history of midwifery as such. Not like other cultures where midwifery has had its roots around for many years. Thats also probably why we have so much difficulty convincing the public about midwifery led models of care, it just hasnt been our heritage. Dierdre B. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 5:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Hi everyone, I havehad no luck yet with any editors but am pushing as hardas I canand writing proposal letters from every possible angle. As an extreme example of where we don't want to end up, I am looking at childbirth in the US. I understand independent midwives are illegal (or were) - can anyone fill me in on this? Also some information on the history of midwifery in Australia would be a great help. I can find a lot on American history but not Australian. thanks everyone for your assistance cheers Kylie ½ Price FOXTEL Digital Installation On-Line Limited Offer-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Book title
it's on amazon.com but it's $55US plus shipping Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Book title Hi, I wish to buy a book called "Normal Childbirth: evidence debate" Ed. Soo Downe. Publisher:Churchill-Livingstone. Has anyone read it or know where I can buy it? thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Book title
or from http://www.elsevier.com.au/book.cfm?id=75394 for $85AU All I did was go to www.google.com.au and put the title of the book in the search - came up with several hits Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Book title Hi, I wish to buy a book called "Normal Childbirth: evidence debate" Ed. Soo Downe. Publisher:Churchill-Livingstone. Has anyone read it or know where I can buy it? thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ab Fab birth - wandering off topic
and would SOMEBODY tell me what else those tacky americans have been in. Both the actors looked familiar Kirsten - Original Message - From: Marianne Callinan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Ab Fab birth Hi Andrea, It was funny, especially the placenta baby! Marianne -Original Message- From: Andrea Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Ab Fab birth Hi Everyone, I have seen this episode twice (on a plane somewhere?) and it is very funny. It is indeed a home birth but the midwife gets locked out and she ends up doing it herself (with assistance, of sorts). A definite must see! Cheers Andrea At 01:56 PM 22/07/2004, you wrote: It looks like Saffron has her baby on Absolutley Fabulous tonight, ABC,8.30pm. From the ad it seems to be a birth at home, with the usual toppings that Ab Fab do so well. Cheers Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] attachments
Firstly, I never open attachments unless I'm expecting them and I know what they are, and I don't open attachments on lists. Some lists don't even ALLOW attachments because of the virus risk Secondly, remember that if you use 'pretty' looking emails - with pictures, notebook appearance etc that comes up as an attachment on my email program (outlook express) which makes me very toey! Thirdly EVERYONE needs an antiviral! Kirsten
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing an unusual placenta question - ideas please
my only concern would be if the blood vessel was anywhere near the cervix , to avoid ARM at all costs Kirsten - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sharing an unusual placenta question - ideas please Hi all I have been asked an unusual placenta question tonight that I hope you can all help me with The woman is expecting her first baby there are no complications or problems with this pregnancy there has been no bleeding episodes during the pregnancy so far- however the ultrasound has revealed what appears to be 2 placentas joined by a blood vessel. The questions are: Would we expect there to be a greater risk of 3rd stage complications such as excessive bleeding? Could the blood vessel rupture either during the last few weeks of pregnancy or during the labour, birth or 3rd stage? Has anyone ever encountered this type of situation before and if so what was your experience? Would this be a strong case for having the Syntocinon injection given routinely? Is there a greater risk of pph? Warm hug to all, Julie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti depressants
hi Mary Tom Hale has done some interesting work on antidepressants - particularly Prozac as it has such a long half life. If you googled his name I'm sure you'd find something Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anti depressants The newspaper had an article today about the effects of pre-natal anti depressants on the babies at or soon after birth, does anyone have any references for studies on these? any info on cypramil? thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Interesting In the hospital where I worked in the USA (Minnesota) the heelprick was done after 24 hours, which I personally thought was a complete waste of time as you need a good 24hours of milk feeds before PKU will show up. I wonder if this isa reflection of previously high artificial feeding rates, but I also asked and was told it was done then because they couldn't be sure of catching any of these babies after discharge. There was no home visiting service as a standard for these families, after a 48hour hospital stay. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vitamin K
yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that is the plan, or more often, the hospital protocol. The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by the visiting midwifery service Kirsten - Original Message - From: Kim Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vitamin K Hi everyone, I was hoping you wouldn't mind answering a question I have. I have been doing a bit of study over the past 18 months and two of my subjects are AnatPhys and Pathology. Recently, in class vitamin K injections became the topic of conversation and when asked whether midwives would administer the vitamin K shot or not my lecturer, who is also an anesthetist, advised of course they would, along with the heel prick test. Can you tell me, is this actually true. I'd love to hear your feedback. Regards Kim Your friendly list admin :-) --- Kim Hunter List Administration Birth International ACE Graphics and Associates in Childbirth Education http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Science and Experience
I am Kirsten - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding - Science and Experience Anyone else going to this seminar in Perth tomorrow? See you there! Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] PMT
eek! t here's another Kirsten on the list!! I personally swear by Evening Primrose Oil capsules. Someone put me on them year ago and my husband is eternally grateful. Starflower oil is the other option, they both contain GLA (gamma lineolic acid?). Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: ckbbn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PMT Hi, Different things work for different woman but I find for myself who used to suffer PMS quite severely that taking a vitamin B6 (100mg tablets ) supplement has worked so well, I don't even suffer from slight mood swings any more! Kirsten - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] PMT Hi I am seeking soem info for a friend whose daughter is sufering really badly with pmt. Complete personality change apparently, my friend also suffered with it before menopause. I don't know that much about treatment etc. I would appreciate some info, thanks Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian research
I think one reason many people want to know the weight in pounds is so they can share the info with their parents and grandparents etc in a 'language' that is meaningful to them Kirsten - Original Message - From: Sadie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian research Very interesting research Mary - however it is quite amazing how many couples want their baby weighed before even considering feeding! And why do people insist on knowing the baby's weight in the old imperial system of pounds?? Even really young couples want to know the weight in pounds! Cheers, Sadie
[ozmidwifery] sterile water injections
One of the midwives I worked with in the US uses this technique frequently, and sent me this site http://www.midwivesofwa.org/sterilewaterpapules.htm Kirsten
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour
well I dragged out my LP ALBUM of "An Evening with John Denver" and the song is "Mother Nature's Son" and it is credited as being written by Lennon and McCartney Kirsten who hides in shame at her age and passion for country music ;) - Original Message - From: Nicole Christensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour I too recognised Paul McCartney's voice - having grown up listening to The Beatles with my die-hard Beatles fanatic Mum!! My Mum had a homebirth with my youngest sister (14 years ago) and watching the clip... with Paul McCartney's voice.. was lovely! (As a footnote I had a homebirth for my 3rd baby last year and my homebirth midwife was the SAME one that'caught' my sisterat my Mum's homebirth... 13 1/2 yrs earler very lovely!!) Question - What is the actual TITLE of the song.. anyone???!!! cheers all, Nicole - Original Message - From: megan davidson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour I thought I recognised the first song from long trans-state car drives as a child (my mum is a big beetles and denver fan) but I wasn't quite sure. Now if they had played Neil Diamond I could have probably guessed better! Ah love those childhood memories, especially when they pop up like that. Megan - Original Message - From: jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour Megan, If you are still interested in the music, (don't know ifthe momtold you) here you go: First song: Words and music by John Lennon and Paul McCartney John Denver version too.This song appears on two albums, and was first released on the Rocky Mountain High album, and has also been released on the An Evening With John Denver album as a live version.Born a poor young country boyMother Natures SonAll day long Im sitting singing songs for everyoneSit beside a mountain streamSee her waters riseListen to the sound of pretty music as she fliesFind me in my field of grassMother natures sonSwaying Daisies sing a lazy song beneath the sunAnd the 2nd song:"Do You Realize??" is one of the standout tracks from the Flaming Lips 2002 album, Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots. Do a search for the Flaming Lips and you'll find the lyrics. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: megan davidson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour - Original Message - From: daniel fairbanks To: megan davidson Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 5:34 AM Subject: moving during labour Hi I am actually going to put up my birth story, I was having "back" labour so I was trying every position I didn't really mean to have the baby squatting because my babies come fast we were trying to fix the cervical lip and then he just came in like three pushes he almost came in one I wish I would have been side lying because I had a 3rd degree tear, everything is healing and we love our little man..; ) Sonora mom to jude and three other blessing On Apr 16, 2004, at 4:34 AM, megan davidson wrote: I just wanted to say what a beautiful tribute to mother and child, your email /birth announcement was. I and many other women have been moved to tears by it.I was wondering if you could tell me the name and artist of the songs in the sound track?And this may seem like a silly question but some of the midwives on our email list had the impression that your partner did not move around much through the labour and spent alot of time on the bed. I realise that it is just a breif glipse of many moments and would appreciate being able to reassure them.I felt that the clip was a beautiful portrayel of a family welcoming a new member.Sincerly,Megan(midwife and mother)Daniel Fairbanks ::: w e b s i t e p r i n t d e s i g n :::3109 Stevely Ave. Long Beach, CA 90808(t) 562.496.8208 (c) 562.841.1850 (fx) 831.300.3029(e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (w) http://www.danielfairbanks.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] back pain
I went to www.google.com and did a search under sterile water injections labour and got a heap of hits. There is plenty of info out there Kirsten - Original Message - From: Trish David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] back pain I have just had this asked of me by a medical student in a tutorial on assessment of progress and care in physiological labour. I couldn't answer, though vaguely remember it as part of a placebo trial in the 90s? Anyone? Trish Ken WArd wrote: Have heard about the effectiveness of water injections for back pain in labour. Does any one know of workshops for this in Melbourne? Maureen Ken Maureen Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Name: winmail.dat winmail.datType: application/ms-tnef Encoding: base64 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] misoprostol
When I worked in the US it seemed to be the induction agent of choice. Interestingly they then seem to put up oxtocic infusion BEFORE rupture of membranes. Here in Perth it is used primarily for interruption of pregnancy, but also used in postpartum hameorrhage - given PV in both instances Kirsten - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Jen, I have not seen it used other than for termination. That is several hospitals in Nth Qld. Cheers JudyJen Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How common is the use of misoprostol for induction in Australia? I've read it's used quite a lot in the US that it's used in abortion in Australia, but all I've seen used for induction (in my 2 years as a mid student)in Oz is Prostin. Would love to hear your thoughts/experiences. Jen 3rd year BMid, MelbourneMary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20040414-39Uterine ruptureassociated with misoprostol labor induction in women with previous cesarean delivery-European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and Reproductive Biology,vol 113, no 1, March 2004, pp 45-48Aslan H; Unlu E; Agar M; et al-(2004) OBJECTIVE: To review our experience with uterine rupture in patients undergoing a trial of labor with a history of previous cesarean delivery in which labor was induced with misoprostol. STUDY DESIGN: A retrospective chart review was used to select patients who underwent induction of labor with misoprostol during the period from February 1999 to June 2002. Women with a history of cesarean delivery were retrospectively compared with those without uterine scarring. RESULTS: Uterine rupture occurred in 4 of 41 patients with previous cesarean delivery who had labor induced with misoprostol. The rate of uterine rupture (9.7%) was significantly higher in patients with a previous cesarean delivery (P0.001). No uterine rupture occurred in 50 patients without uterine scarring. Women with a history of cesarean delivery were more likely to have oxytocin augmentation than those without uterine scar! ! ring (41% versus 20%; P=0.037). CONCLUSION: Misoprostol induction of labor increases the risk of uterine rupture in women with a history of cesarean delivery. (16 references) (Author) Article Type: Original research Standard Search:P107L14L21 Yet VBAC women are still being induced this way.4 out of 41 is pretty definite. M Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
[ozmidwifery] ER
Did anyone else catch Thursday's episode of ER? Interesting commentary on the use of formula in 3rd world countries, in HIV mums Kirsten
Re: [ozmidwifery] ER
in brief...
Carter (on of the main characters, a doctor) is
working with MSF in the Congo. One of his patients has HIV and is in end stage
AIDS. The patient's wife (8mo pregnant) and kids all test positive and Carter is
trying to get the mum on HIV meds (which of course he flies in directly from the
US, but that's another story) to try and prevent the next baby from being HIV
positive. He tells her she can't breastfeed because of the transmission, and
that formula is "just fine" and they can supply the powder to her. One of the
other MSF workers pulls him aside and says, "you can't ask her to formula feed,
where she is going back to there is no clean water, and 50% of these babies die
from gastro in the first six months".
Admittedly it ignores the recent research on the
saftely of exclusive BF for HIV mums in the first six months with abrups weaning
(no I don't have the reference on me) but at least it made the point about the
danger of formula promotion in third world countries.
One in the eye for Nestle I say ;)
Kirsten
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From:
barbara
glare chris bright
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:22
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ER
No,
Tell us
Barb
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From:
Kirsten Blacker
To: ozmid
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:38
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] ER
Did anyone else catch Thursday's episode of ER?
Interesting commentary on the use of formula in 3rd world countries, in HIV
mums
Kirsten
[ozmidwifery] pethidine in labour
Article in the West regarding pethidine use in labour. What is a shame is they don't mention alternative narcotics with a shorter half life. In the US they use Nubain which only has a 2 hour half life in neonates http://www.thewest.com.au/20040408/news/general/tw-news-general-home-sto122915.html Kirsten
Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension.
Please - no flames! Do you think this mum would benefit from some education?She seems to have a family history (father) and from your first email the possibility of an FDIU from this hypertension. Being married to a stroke physician I tend to imagine the WORST case scenarios. How high is her blood pressure?? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Doyle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. Dear Kirsten and others, This lovely Christian mum is a nature lover and has never been ill, ever, until now. She homes schools all of her 6 children, aged 5 -13 and they live in a beautiful isolated spot. She is not overweight, fit and doesn't smoke or drink alcohol. The doctor told her that once she started on antihypertensives, that she would never get off them. Her father has been on them for some years. She is concerned about the long term effects of antihypertensive medication, but seems to have little concept of the effect of long term hypertension. Thanks to those who offered some information - I will pass it on. Mary Doyle Bright. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. boy that's annoying. I sent that message last Thursday and it only got posted today - anyone else having this problem ? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. Hi Mary, What is her objection to antihyperstenisve medication - just curious. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Doyle To: ACE Graphics Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. To All, Can anyone enlighten me about whether any naturopathic treatments can help with hypertension? My client, 35yrs, and a wonderful mother of6 kids sadly had a fetal death in utero at term, for no obvious reason except for her hypertension, which has persisted. She would love to have more babies but not willing to have antihypertensive medication. and wondering about the alternatives. Any references would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mary Doyle, Bright
Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension.
boy that's annoying. I sent that message last Thursday and it only got posted today - anyone else having this problem ? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. Hi Mary, What is her objection to antihyperstenisve medication - just curious. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Doyle To: ACE Graphics Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. To All, Can anyone enlighten me about whether any naturopathic treatments can help with hypertension? My client, 35yrs, and a wonderful mother of6 kids sadly had a fetal death in utero at term, for no obvious reason except for her hypertension, which has persisted. She would love to have more babies but not willing to have antihypertensive medication. and wondering about the alternatives. Any references would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mary Doyle, Bright
Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers
Title: Message I always liked "Happy Birthdays happen with Midwives" - it was the ACMI one a few years ago Kirsten - Original Message - From: Laraine Hood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers Hi , I have been noticing bumper stickers over the last few days. Unfortunately anything too wordy gets missed because you can't read it unless you're uncomfortably close to the bumper! An example of this is 'Don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're needed here' or something to that effect. Anyway, very hard to read from anything over a few feet away.Maybe afew words in an eye catching colour may be a better option? Laraine - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers I like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they care about birth". Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough cas@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] husbands on co-sleeping
you go tell you're husband he's a PRINCE!!! - I said so! LOL Kirsten also married to a prince - Original Message - From: Nicole Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] husbands on co-sleeping Hi Sylvia -as you were curious about the effects of co-sleeping on husbandsthought I might tell you of mine... My husband was brought up in a very traditional household - no nudity, no going near parent's bed etc etc. yet he has fathered the complete anti-of his father (thank goodness!!!) We shower and bath with our children, all doors are left open (including toilet)... and he lavishes our boys with lots of kisses, love and his time. We are self-confessed dags - our little family - we do absolutely EVERYTHING together... grocery shopping, collecting our eldest son from school, watching him play sport, training, walks etc etc We also have no real family support - so my husband and I never have time alone - and whenever we go out - it is always with our boys. I breastfeed my children until they are ready to self-wean (still going strong tandem feeding my 2 1/2 yr old and 7 mth old)...with FULL support of my husband ... so, co- sleeping has been pretty much an unsaid natural extension of our parenting (ie doing everything together). My husband has NEVER complained about sharing our bed with our children (or even having to sleep in another room and bed when he gets booted out... which is OFTEN) . We have a single bed pushed up to our queen bed. Most nights our nearly 12 yr old sleeps in the single bed (the other nights my husband gets a turn...) and I sleep in the middle of the queen bed with my baby on one side and our 2 yr old on the other. I love having my children sleep with me. having all 3 boys with me, safe and cosy and snuggly all night long. Then there's the giggles and fun when they all awake together - particularly with my 12 yr old and 2 yr old who are extremely close. When my husband is in there too - he loves this also! My husband and I are very in-love and very close... yet we don't have the intimacy that we once had before I was completely exhausted and chronically sleep deprived. My husband sees how exhausted I am... and he is tired too... as our very demanding and non-sleeping 2 1/2 yr old finally drops at 11 pm each night - and this is when we are doing the dishes, washing nappies etc etc. Our sex life is a dire contrast to pre-children... I was the sex goddess... and now I am a PLANT!!! I know he would like to have sex every now and then (and we don't do it in the bedroom, either!) - and will sometimes be not so subtle in hinting... but at the same time -he sees how exhausted I am, and feels sorry for me - so would never push it with me. he also misses cuddling me in bed - but knows that this time of our children being so young, needy and dependant is too short-lived - so accepts that this is how it is NOW but will not always be this way. I think the only thing that makes my husband frustrated - is the fact that our toddler goes to bed so late - and then we do some housework... which by then, it is around midnight. He would LOVE to have some me time for himself to wind down... and some time shared with me. This isn't possible with a wakeful night-owl 2 1/ yr old!!! Your comment that is not what's supposed to happen -ie giving your children yourself over your husband during the night - is interesting. I agree that it is important to give time to your husband and your marriage... but it is not always realistic. If our children want me/us in the night - it is and has never been an issue... or even discussed for that matter.. as it has always been an unspoken natural thing foir us to do... and we enjoy being with them in bed at night as much as the children love being with us too... kind regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Sylvia Boutsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sleep stuff I don't mean to be judgmental in relation to co-sleeping but I am curious about what happens to the couples relationship? I am not a selfish person but I do regard my bed time to be something shared with my husband alone. For me having a child in bed turns my attention away from my partner and intimacy and focuses on my child. That is not what is supposed to happen. Children take up so much time that it's important to be able to find time to nurture our own relationship with our partner, and most of that time is usually at night when the children go to bed and when we go to bed. Children are an extension of us, not a replacement of our affections. I would be interested to know how the men in your lives are coping with this arrangement. Are they really into it or have they just accepted it? Sylvia Mum to Ellie 10, Chris 6 and Evan 4 (who all
Re: [ozmidwifery] Only in America?
I"ve also heard of this being proposed in the US. I would hope that it would never pass the ethics commitee, but who knows. Kirsten survivor of 2 years in the USA - 18mo working in the hospital sysytem - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Only in America? Dear List I don't quite know what to make of this but at work today one of the obstetricians told me that he had heard of a proposed (?) double blind study into 'natural' vs Caesarean birth in healthy, low risk primips to be carried out in the USA. Which means basically that healthy, low-risk women who agree to this trial will be assigned to either elective C/S or elective vaginal birth, and the outcomes will be assessed to see if the babies born by C/S have 'better' outcomes! Anyone want to place bets on what this 'study' will 'prove'? Have to say that the obstetrician was not in favour of it. The potential repercussions are quite horrifying - same as the 'study' into breech births a few years back - how long before all birth becomes a surgical event we wonder. Anyone know more about this? Yours in disbelief Susan Cudlipp
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
IF you want to avoid flash photography - how about a video and 'lift' a picture off that? The digital video cameras can take photos too, but I have captured stills of video footage on my computer Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thanks for the replies Julie Marilyn. Re the flash. I have no proof, just going on instinct, but asmany of our births these days are waterbirths, I don't want a baby getting a fright gasping whilst still underwater. Also, I don't want a baby who has been born gently into dim light getting a huge flash of light just after birth. I would still be interested if anyone else has photos of a baby still in the caul. Cheers, M This was 23 yrs ago and now nobody(that I have been around)seems concerned about the flash I am interested that this is still a concern. Have we just forgotten about it?
Re: [ozmidwifery] USA job opportunity
Speaking from experience, RM here doesn't translate to CNM in the USA. The CNM is a Masters level qualification. There is an 18months conversion course you can do (I didn't, not worth it). Perhaps if you have a Masters in Mid here they would accept it Kirsten repat Aussie after two years in MN, USA - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] USA job opportunity I received this notice of a job opportunity at Davis, CA, USA. marilyn I'm sorry to intrude on your inboxes but we urgently need per diem CNMs here in Davis, CA. Please pass this on to anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, Jenna Sutter West Women's Health in Davis, CA is looking for per-diem midwives to cover some/all of a full-time midwife's maternity leave (4/9/04 to 8/31/04), a 25% position (2 to 4 twenty-four hour on-call shifts per month 9/04 through 4/05, as well as vacations for 6 other midwives. Position(s) is/are very flexible and could include 8 hour office days in a private practice setting (primarily OB postpartum care, but some GYN and primary care too) and/or 24 hour intrapartum postpartum on-call shifts at Sutter Davis Hospital (you do not have to stay in-house while on-call). You could choose to do as few or as many shifts as you would like. Our practice is growing and it is likely that a new full-time CNM position will be created by 2005. This collaborative practice is an opportunity to work with wonderful people, practice evidence-based midwifery care, and enjoy a great work environment. The midwife practice averages 2-3 births per 24-hour period. We have 1 hour new OB visits, 20 min return OB visits, and 30 min postpartum/ annual visits. We also have group prenatal sessions that per diem midwives could choose to be involved in. Applicants with current California licensure, Spanish speaking abilities, experience with low-tech/ low intervention care, hands-on labor support, homebirths or births at freestanding birth centers, waterbirth, and/ or experience co-managing moderate to high risk women (diabetes, twins, etc.) are particularly encouraged to apply. Exceptional new grads will be considered. Please submit resume to Jenna Shaw-Battista, CNM at [EMAIL PROTECTED], by fax at (530) 750-5881, or mail: c/o SWWH, 2020 Sutter Place, Suite #203, Davis, CA 95616. Feel free to call with questions: (530) 750-5870. - -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
We had a preterm (34 week) TWIN born in the caul a few weeks ago, at the major teaching hospital, WITHOUT an epidural GASP SHOCK HORROR. This is what comes of letting wicked casual staff wander unsupervised around labour ward ;) KB - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location
Hi Karen, Sorry it's taken me a few days to get back to you. I've been reading the replies you've been getting on list. Where you live is going to depend on a number of things - where you want to work, how far you want to travel, and how much money you have!! LOL There are great coastal suburbs, but they are $$$ Are you going to rent or buy? I would strongly advise renting within your budget to start with, till you get a feel for the city and know where you want to live. Perth is a city of about 1 million people and they are all very spread out! There are pockets of expat Brits all over the place, but I don't think that should limit you I would work on a job first, then take it from there. If you want to continue working in chemical dependency and pregnancy then I think KEMH is the place to go. It's getting some really bad press right now ( see www.thewestonline.com) but it's not such a bad place. I know they are recruiting UK midwives so it shouldn't be too hard to get your foot in the door. One thing to consider is the cost of living. Friends I have that live in the UK tell me 1 pound buys the same as 1dollar AU, even tho you get about $3 per pound! Anyway, let me know where you think you will work. I'm sure if you do an online search you can find some online real estate agencies to get a feel for how much rent is going to cost you.I know the RE agent who rented out our house while we were int he USA were online - Davey Real Estate. Feel free to email me with questions. I know what a challenge it is to move to a strange country! We moved to the USA for 2 years and it was QUITE the challenge. I know there are other expat Brits on ozmid as well which will help Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Karen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location Hi Kirsten My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I would really appreciate any info. We've never been to Oz, so it's really a blind move for us and the more we can learn from people actually there, the better and the easier it will be for us when we move out there. Thanks Kind Regards Karen X X X X X X X X - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location Karen what is your email, we can talk about this off list Kirsten Blacker Perth - Original Message - From: Karen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location Dear Everyone As I am hoping to get a job in a hospital in Perth, can anyone help us with suitable areas to bring up a family but within easy travelling distance to Perth for work, easy = 30-40 minute drive at the most. I have three children (ages 12, 9 and3). We would ideally like an area that is not very large and busy. Perhaps in the country but not isolated. There has to be easy access to good schooling. We do like older properties with a bit of character but this not essential. The kids of course just want to rent a property with a swimming pool!! Is this a really tall order? I hope we're not looking for the impossible. We hope to move out later on this year and ideally we would like to get a property that we'd be happy to settle in for a while (or at least until my work visa runs out) We spend ages on the net looking, but there is just so much to look at. Fremantle area looks nice, is it? If anyone can gives me any pointers on nice areas or even areas best avoided I would really appreciate any advice, we can hardly wait to move out to OZ !!! Kind Regards Karen Crossan
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location
Karen what is your email, we can talk about this off list Kirsten Blacker Perth - Original Message - From: Karen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Location, location, location Dear Everyone As I am hoping to get a job in a hospital in Perth, can anyone help us with suitable areas to bring up a family but within easy travelling distance to Perth for work, easy = 30-40 minute drive at the most. I have three children (ages 12, 9 and3). We would ideally like an area that is not very large and busy. Perhaps in the country but not isolated. There has to be easy access to good schooling. We do like older properties with a bit of character but this not essential. The kids of course just want to rent a property with a swimming pool!! Is this a really tall order? I hope we're not looking for the impossible. We hope to move out later on this year and ideally we would like to get a property that we'd be happy to settle in for a while (or at least until my work visa runs out) We spend ages on the net looking, but there is just so much to look at. Fremantle area looks nice, is it? If anyone can gives me any pointers on nice areas or even areas best avoided I would really appreciate any advice, we can hardly wait to move out to OZ !!! Kind Regards Karen Crossan
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Drugs and Pregnancy
Hi Karen, KEMH, the teaching maternity hospital in Perth has a Chemical Dependency Clinic specifically for mothers with drug use problems to be cared for during pregnancy. I'm not sure who runs it these days but I think it would be ideal for you Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Karen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Drugs and Pregnancy Hi I currently work as a Drug Specialist Midwife or Drug Liaison Midwife her in the UK. Primarily I plan and implement all the care for women who are pregnant and also misusing substances, mainly illicit but alcohol also comes under my remit. I also have a major educational role, for colleagues, other health care workers and the clients and their families. My husband, 3 children and I are all planning our relocation to Oz, hopefully this Summer, probably Perth direction "ish", certainly Western Australia. I really wanted to ask if substance misuse in pregnancy is a problem as I would love to gain employment staying in my speciality. I am prepared to work as a midwife or a nurse, though midwifery is well and truly my first love. I would really appreciate any info on this topic, I'm not sure how this ozmidwifery exactly works, but I guess I'll just watch this space... Thanks to anyone who sends a reply!! Kind Regards Karen J Crossan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Carpel Tunnell Syndrome
I think the reason why some women get MORE odema after birth before it resolves is the large amount of IV fluids given during the in-hospital labour experience, especially if epidurals or c/birth JMHO Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Mary Doyle To: ACE Graphics Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Carpel Tunnell Syndrome Dear List Readers, I have had a number of pregnant women recently with severe carpel tunnell syndrome, especially in the hot weather. Some have had severe symptoms with constant pain andnumbness to fingers, wrists and forearms, and subsequent sleeplessness. Some tried remedies have beenwrist splints, massage and lymph drainage (as in those with post-mastectomy lymphodema), diuretics, and sleeping tabs - all to no avail! The only remedy it seems is to birth the baby. Even then I have known one woman with permanent numbness and hand/finger pain following the birth. I am interested in the antenatal management of this if anyone has any information, and I am also generally interested in thephysiology of a woman's diuresis after birth. I am oftensurprised at thedramatic difference infacial appearance of a postpartum woman who has been been very puffy prior to birth. eg:- Why to some women get more oedema after birth before it starts to settle? What sort of volumes are we talking about in relation to postpartum diuresis? What happens to the balance of maternal electrolytes during this rapid postpartum diuresis? Hope to hear some new info, Cheers to all. Mary Doyle Community Midwife Bright, Victoria
Re: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg mother
Couldn't she have a blood test now to check for Anti D antibodies in her system? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] rhesus neg mother Dear List, I have a 33year woman, with a repro history - 4 x TOP, and recently (3-4 weeks) a miscarrige at 12 weeks( fetusdidnt develop much past 7-9 weeks?) She is O -ve blood group and all TOP were followed with Anti-D. However following the recently complete miscarriage, she was not given Anti-D. It seems the doctor 'forgot', 'didnt realise' or was incompetent..?!? No D C was performed. She is concerned now her future pregnancy will be affected. Her partner is + ve grp. What does she need to do to confirm whether her subsequent preg are at risk?Howrisky is this for her and babe? During TOP or miscarriages does much of the fetus blood pass into the mothers circulation? Thanks for your help!, Kristin Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Click here. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jack Newman
looks like he's not coming to Perth then. Bother Kirsten - Original Message - From: Barbara Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Jack Newman The tour with Jack Newman is here http://www.capersbookstore.com.au/events/breastfeeding.htm Barb --- Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where can I find out about where Jack Newman is talking in Aus? Kirsten Blacker http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Seminars
where can I find out about where Jack Newman is talking in Aus? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Barbara Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seminars How come May is so busy! I saw some midwifery seminars advertised in May, plus the Aus tour with Jack Newman and other speakers(Capers are doing that. NZers can catch him at the NZLC conference too. http://www.lactcon.org.nz/ Barb http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc
just to add to the confusion... I brought a couple of dozen tapes with me back from the US in July that were NTSC. Then bought a new VCR to play them all. I found that I had to make a small adjustment to my TV set settings as well to get a good picture colour but now all is fine Kirsten - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc To add my bit, ran into this very problem with a pregnancy yoga video, my In-laws could play it so tried to tape it, no way, it has security stuff on it to prevent you from doing so. Check before you buy, Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jayne Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 6:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Ooppps, I mean NTSC - most later model VCRs bought in Australia DO play NTSC. Some may have a setting that needs changing but with the 3 VCRs I use, you just pop in and play NTSC videos. My VCRs were bought in the past 2 1/2 years. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Hi Jayne, It is the US NTSC version of videotapes that most Australian VCRs cannot play and unless you specify that you want a PAL version when you order from the US they will automatically send the NTSC type. Cheers Andrea At 10:15 AM 19/01/2004, jayne wrote: Not necessarily these days because most VCRs bought in Australia in the past couple of years also play PAL videos. Check your instruction booklet that came with the VCR if not sure. Regards Jayne If you order from the US you have to remember to order the PAL version, which will cost more Cheers Andrea At 12:58 PM 18/01/2004, Diane Gardner wrote: The video available on the http://www.waterbirth.orgwww.waterbirth.org site titled http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3 5Birth Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experience is well worth buying. I show it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in both birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a pack of 10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order again if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are around US$40 plus postage but I can buy them and sell them for AU$50 incl. postage. Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive. Diane - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jen Semple To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc Great resource... http://www.waterbirth.org/spa/content/view/72/87/http://www.waterbirth.or g/spa/content/view/72/87/ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section
this was at KEMH in Perth. It's certainly not routine practice - this was a NELUSCS on a Sunday afternoon. The registrar said he liked to do it on w/ends and evenings when it is quiet in recovery. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section If I may ask, which Hospital? We've tried to keep Mums and Bubs together after a C/S at our Hospital, but so far no luck. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section Well done!! It makes your day when something like this happens doesn't it? From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Dulcie Bridges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:45:03 +0800 Oh happy day. Today whilst in attendance at a C/section (36 weeks, previous, and PE) the registrar asked me if I had discussed feeding preferences with the mum, and then wanted to know if I would be happy to go to recovery with mum, dad and baby so they could have an early breastfeed! I told him I would be delighted, and later thanked him for taking the initiative Kirsten _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] way way WAY off topic - Enjo
Denise are you still an Enjo consultant? Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections
When I was in the US the midwives who had a hospital based practice used this with success. Try a lit search - I remember seeing an article once comparing the efficacy of SWI with epidurals Kirsten - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections I'm reading Henci Goers The Thinking Womans Guide to a Better Birth, and she mentions using sterile water injections for releif of intense back pain. I'm wondering if anyone has used this and what is the opinion on it. I guess also is it being used at all in hospitals in Australia. Thanks Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] face presentation
If anatomical anomalies in mother and baby are excluded, what are the chances of face presentation re-occurring in a second, full term pregnancy? Kirsten Blacker
Re: [ozmidwifery] global win promotions
try hoaxkill.com Kirsten - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] global win promotions what is the website that exposes hoaxes today i was told i had won half a million dollars and had 1 week to claim ! jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery/FH monitoring
I think one of the things we need to remember is under the umbrella "gynae surgery" is women who are suffering pregnancy loss - prior to 20 weeks they are gynae cases Where I worked in the USA they recovered the women in the labour ward, so the baby and mother were kept together. Mum and babe went from the "delivery room" (ie operating theatre) back to the l/d room for about 2 hours, just as they would have after a vaginal birth. This was helped by the fact that the operating room was an extension of the l/d suite Kirsten - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery/FH monitoring I'm trying to get the message about this but am a bit in the dark - babies not allowed to be with their mothers because of other womenhaving gynae surgery? A woman's baby and this unrepeatable time - the first hours after - birth - has nothing to do with other women, but EVERYTHING to do with the woman having the baby. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery/FH monitoring Cas wrote:"it is normal practice to have bub in recovery so long as both mother and baby are well." Unfortunately this is not so here in Perth. We have had major battles over many years to have well babies stay with their mothers in recovery at KEMH but this has been denied for many reasons, mostly because" the C/S women share the recovery room with other women who had gynae surgery" etc. it is also surprising that so many baies who are "rescued" from foetal distess have apgars over 7 and need no further treatment. Is this a misreading of the FH monitor? a panic reaction to a EFM trace? Denise, the trials that showed "intermittant monitoring " equal to/better than continuous was using the intensive monitoring regime that Lesley spoke about. Not the more relaxed one. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural
Some years ago I had an situation like this. The mother agreed to have the epidural inserted, have a small test dose, which then wore off, and left the epidural catheter in for the duration. A compromise that kept everyone happy Kirsten From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidural Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:13:26 +1100 Hi all I have a client, 42 y.o first time mum who is expecting twins. Her ob/gyn has told her that he would like her to have and epidural anyway to prepare her in case they have any trouble with the second twin being born. When she asked the midwife at her antenatal class if they can just insert the needle without giving her the actual medication she was told that it was either give it or not prepare her for the epidural at all, no half way. In your opinions is this correct or can they do all the prep and then administer the drug if complications occur? thanks in advance Diane _ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ACOG and elective C/birth
Title: Untitled Document Hi All, I'm back on the list now I've settled back into Perth. I'm forwarding something that came to me through one of my prenatal educator mailing lists. FYI Kirsten Blacker FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 11, 2003 Childbirth And Postpartum Professional Association (CAPPA) issues response to the recent ACOG Statement on Ethical Cesareans. On October 31, 2003, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) addressed the controversy of elective cesarean delivery and deemed it ethical to offer the surgical delivery option to women whether or not any medical reason was necessary.ACOG states that evidence to support the benefit of elective cesarean is still incomplete and is urging its membership to contribute to data that will support this swing in practice standards.Although this debate was initiated by physicians, many feel it ultimately stems from the lack of clear wording on the ethical response by a physician when presented with a patient requesting elective cesarean surgery.The current statistic for cesarean surgery in the United States is approximately 25%. 1 in 4 women having a baby today will do so by surgical means. The World Health Organization has handed down strong wording to the United States to lower the cesarean rate to 15% or less.The statistic handed down by the WHO is based on strong, scientifically supported evidence of short term and long term benefits of vaginal birth for both the mother and the baby.The risks of cesarean surgery include higher incidents of maternal death, more postpartum infections, more blood loss, risks of injury to the baby, more breathing problems in the newborn, delayed milk production in the mother, and increased risk of feeding difficulties in the newborn. The more obvious problems with surgery versus a natural event are higher costs and increased hospital stay.CAPPA believes that women's bodies are designed to give birth to their babies. Research shows that the risks of damage to the pelvic floor are dramatically increased through the use of forceps, vacuum extraction, episiotomy, and even the lithotomy position for delivery. Without these interventions, the majority of pelvic floor damage would be avoided in vaginal delivery. Physicians have an ethical responsibility to disclose this fact to their patients.CAPPA believes that if women were given true informed consent, in other words, if the physician were to give honest risks of cesarean delivery vs. waiting to go into labor and delivering vaginally, women would choose vaginal birth. Women must be informed of ALL the risks of surgery before making a decision.CAPPA challenges women to become fully informed of their childbearing choices, and the long-term consequences of their decisions. CAPPA supports the Midwifery Model of care for most healthy women. CAPPA also supports a woman's right to choose a caregiver with whom she feels physically safe. If a woman chooses a physician to provide care during the childbearing year, this decision should support a healthy outcome in compliance with WHO standards of lowering the cesarean section rate.CAPPA challenges ACOG and other pro-surgery proponents to carefully study the benefit of vaginal birth to the mother, the baby, and the maternal-child bond. Elective surgery cannot be viewed as a simple means to meet patient demand. It is the ethical responsibility of the physician to assure proper patient education, support, and information so that the pregnant woman will have a healthy pregnancy outcome, both in the short and long term.For more information and to find out how you can help CAPPA educate the public on normal birth, please call 1-888-MY-CAPPA, visit our web site at http://www.cappa.net/ or contact us via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian Association for Infant Mental health statement of controlled crying
You could try contacting ILCA and seeing if they know Kirsten - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian Association for Infant Mental health statement of controlled crying Hello Carolyn, I was sent a copy of this by Sydney psychologist Robin Grille -I didnt have the web link thanks. Can anyone help me - I have received several emails from a US former employee of Gary Ezzo (Babywise -associated with failure to thrive and dehydration by members of American Academy of Paediatrics and LCs. Robin Grille sent a letter to the Australian Association of infant mental health re this regime and it was published in their newsletter. Now Robin is being sued by EZZO -I have not spoken to him about this and he has been warned not to speak/ associate with the US person (and probably anyone else as this could be bad for his outcome ) According to the US guy, an Australian group of Lactation consultants who reprinted Robin Grilles letter in their newsletter is also being sued - I would like to find out who they are - I am not sure how I can help but if there could be some publicity here about this muzzling of free speech, there may be some further publicity in the US - where Ezzo is already in strife -this may make hom back off the people he istrying to sue here. Although he promotes his crap as Christian parenting he has been moved on from more than one church -he is dangerous and obviously has plenty of finacial backing from his ministry -over 4 million of his books have been sold - thats a lot of desperate parents allowing themselves to be brainwashed. - and putting their babies at risk. Does anyone know who these LCs are? Pinky - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Birthnews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Association for Infant Mental health statement of controlled crying FYI The Australian Association for Infant Mental Health has put out a statement on controlled crying that may be of interest. Word document: http://www.afcca.com.au/Files/Child%20Crying%20AAIMHI.doc HTML version: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:8grZAJNGINsJ:www.afcca.com.au/Files/Chi ld%2520Crying%2520AAIMHI.doc+Controlled+crying+(also+known+as+controlled+com fortinghl=enie=UTF-8 Pinky, your books are recommended as resources :-) warmly, Carolyn Hastie The world is wide and I will not waste my life in friction when it could be turned into momentum. Frances Willard Heartlogic Consultancy The Bully Busters - creating positive workcultures through improving emotional intelligence Birth with delight - dissipate fear Phone +61 2 4389 3919 Fax +61 2 4388 6819 Mobile 0418 428 430 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay NSW 2261 Australia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
La Leche League is about to publish a book on tandem feeding and breastfeeding in pregnancy. The author is Hilary Flower but Im not sure of the title. I'm pretty sure the 'launch' is at the LLLI conference in San Diego in July, don't know when it will be available in Australia. Meanwhile ABA might have some information for you Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Jane, If you or any one else is interested, could you tell me more about your experience with establishing tandem feeding. I expect to be doing it in the none to distant future. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/06/2003 2:37:22 pm Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
As I understand it Queen Victoria was one of the first to use chloroform for labour, which popularised it's use. Twilight sleep used different drugs as described by MM Kirsten Blacker expat in MN for 15 more days! - Original Message - From: Robin Moon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Queen Voctoria started it. Well, they experimented on her and it was she that advocated how wonderful it was! - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hi, all of you knowledgable women, I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law whowas born in the 1940'sclaims to be a "twilight baby"? Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due day not in labour- got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight! The next two were normal, natural births. Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - i presume! She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been done. Any ideas? Regards Rhonda. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] OT: spam
I use hotmail and spam is a constant curse. You can use filters which will send it to the bulkmail box Kirsten - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] OT: spam Sorry for the OT email, but is anyone else being bombarded with 'how to enlarge your penis' emails?? Or is it just me? BTW, I am now off birthing suite and on the postnatal ward again - I think I prefer it there - less intervention! Jo --Babies are Born... Pizzas are delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Are nipple shields increasing rates of bottlefeeding???
The other point I think needs to be made is many women don't have flat nipples, but are full of IV fluids from the labour process which can lead to oedema of the nipples which flattens the nipple. THere is a technique called Reverse Pressure Softening which is explained at http://www.health-e-learning.com/breasted_web_articles/reverse_pressure/reverse_pressure.htm and I've personally used with great effect several times now. Especially here in the US where the epidural rate seems to be about 80% and IVs in labour practically mandatory. Even the oxytocic for 3rd stage is given in a litre of fluid rather than IM. Sigh Kirsten - Original Message - From: Dierdre Bowman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Are nipple shields increasing rates of bottlefeeding??? We seem to be obsessed with flat nipples these days. Who said they are not normal or are going to cause problems? Recently I spoke with Ruth Cantrill. For those of you who don't she has recently done quite a lot of research into breastfeeding and is in charge of the Baby friendly initiative at the Redlands hospital in Brisbane. Much of her recent research has looked at the babies ability to crawl up the abdomen and attach itself to the nipple.. What she has found is amazing. During her study rarely did she find a baby who had problems even with "flat nipples" if the baby was allowed to find it's own way to the nipple and attach. She says if left alone the majority of babies will attach withing 1 hour of birth and even babies peth affected etc will attach within 6 hours. The babies as they crawl up the abdomen smell and lick their fists which has amniotic fluid on it. The same protein is in breast milk so baby gets a taste and smell for what it can get from mum. It will if left alone find it's own way and attach itself with out assistance even on so called flat nipples. Babies dont suck nipples the attach to aerola's. Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] KEMH (baby under the light)
I haven't been at KEMH for nearly two years (I'm living temporarily in the USA until July) but yes I did work there Is this baby perhaps isoimmunised? That would explain both the induction and the continuous and early phototherapy. When I was there prostins gel was used to induce labour, but with the addition of a sytocinon drip as labour progresses as gel alone doesn't always complete the induction process. It's used more as a cervical ripening agent Anyone who is currently at KEMH can correct me if practice has changed dramatically since I left The other option she can request if she is not understanding what is happening is that they make an appointment with an intepreter so things can be explained more clearly Kirsten in Minnesota USA for only 25 MORE DAYS - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] KEMH (baby under the light) Hi Kirsten and everyone :) Since you mentioned KEMH May I ask... do you work at KEMH btw? Or does anyone here work at KEMH? I have a friend who is there at the moment, she is Brazilian and hardly speaks any English, especially these obstetric terms... anyway, she has a RH negative blood and having her second child , was asked to be induced on the 3rd of June (last TUESDAY), when her baby was due on the 21st of June. When I asked her why the doctor decided to induce her so early she simpy said she didn't quite understand much of what they say anyway, but she trusts they know what they are doing *sigh* She then told me that even babies who are born very prematurely and as little as 750 grams in weight all have their lives saved by this hospital. During her labour, which was to be induced with the gel the staff told her she had to have the drip on in order to have contractions and so she promptly agreed. Well, today is Sunday and her baby has been under the light non-stop for having jaundice since the day she was born, last tuesday. Her baby was not allowed to even feed at her breast because they claim she needs to be under the light continuously, so mum is pumping milk onto a bottle and the nurses are feeding her baby who is on another floor The doctor who assisted her at birth has not been back, and the midwives tell her that her baby is doing great Would anyone know why a baby who is doing great is kept away from her mother for so many days? It sounds to me as if she is not being fully informed. Thanks very much Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirsten Blacker Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India I know some years back one of the midwives I worked with at KEMH used to volunteer at Mother Teresa's hospital in Calcutta. I have no idea how you would go about organising that - maybe contact Internation Red Cross? Kirsten From: Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:57:02 +0930 Hello wise people:) A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas to experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any of you been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. Do you think we could volenteer at a hospital or midwifery clinic? Does anyone have any contacts? Were only in the planning stages at the moment and your imput would be great. Cheers, Julie'', _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India
I know some years back one of the midwives I worked with at KEMH used to volunteer at Mother Teresa's hospital in Calcutta. I have no idea how you would go about organising that - maybe contact Internation Red Cross? Kirsten From: Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:57:02 +0930 Hello wise people:) A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas to experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any of you been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. Do you think we could volenteer at a hospital or midwifery clinic? Does anyone have any contacts? Were only in the planning stages at the moment and your imput would be great. Cheers, Julie'', _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements
This is now AAP policy in the USA. Fortunately the institution where I work is modifiying it to only supplement babies of mothers of darker skin or who regularly cover all their skin for religious purposes. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Graham Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements Check out this recent BBC article claiming that breastfed babies should be given vitamin D supplements.I find it a bit hard to "swallow" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2924471.stm Helen Cahill
Re: [ozmidwifery] Suggestions sought
contact an IBCLC PRONTO! the ILCA website www.ilca.org has listings by city although that won't have everyone. Ask around. Also contact Australian Breastfeeding Association (formerly NMAA) for some help and support Kirsten - Original Message - From: Debbie Field To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Suggestions sought Hi, I recently had my daughter at home. A great birth experience...however the breastfeeding is really testing me out. I have used formula in a bottle to allow my breasts to heal while also expressing to maintain my milk supply. My baby girl is 17 days old and i am still having trouble with my attachment. She continually adjusts to a small mouth. Any suggestions. deb
Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water
Mary, I think there is an association of hynosis therapists (maybe the white pages?). I remember talking to a girl in my uni classes who birthed her first two under hypnosis - her dad was a GP and did it for her. He was also head of the state association for professionals at the time Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water Hi again Frank. I have been interested in the concept of Hypno Birthing ever since I spent time with Nancy Wainer (Cohen) in the USA in 1997. I have also put out feelers for a course to be conducted here in West Australia. Any chance of that happening in the near future? I'm not against hypnobirthing or any other kind of relaxation method but also do not want the physical feeling to be denigrated either. In the interest of a range of birth choices for all, , Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] rubella
Megan wrote: I'm not entirely sure on this , but I remember hearing that there is a risk to the next baby if a woman has rubella vaccination after a birth. That is the rubella is a live virus and takes time to be passed through the system, if a woman was to get pregnant during this period, the effect of the vaccination could impact on the health of bubs. This is why women are advised not to fall pregnant for three months after vaccination Kirsten -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA)
Interesting arguement. Which supports rubella screening BEFORE pregnancy so that women can be immunised. The other value of rubella screening is to identify people who aren't immune so they can at least be immunised after pregnancy with the hope that they will be immune in their next pregnancy. There is of course a small percentage of the population who won't seroconvert no matter how many times we immunize them. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Lyn Cottee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:25 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA) Dear List, Does anyone know anything about rubella screening during pregnancy? It was just recommended to me by my GP (yup, just found out that baby # 2 is due next July!) but he couldnt give me a clear answer as to why I ought to have my rubella status checked. Being something of a questioner of medical opinion anyway, the appointment went something like a scene from Life of Brian: DOC: Have you had your rubella status checked? LYN: No, but Ive had rubella, surely that would make me somewhat immune. DOC: Not necessarily. LYN: Well if I found out that I wasnt immune, I wouldnt let you vaccinate me while I was pregnant anyway. DOC: I wouldnt let anyone vaccinate you, that would be dangerous. LYN: So then if I found out I wasnt immune, the only advantage would be that Id stay away from people with rubella, though I would have been likely to anyway. DOC: You wouldnt know they were infectious until it was too late anyway. LYN: So whats the point? DOC: Hmm? LYN: Whats the point of checking my rubella status when nothing could be done about the outcome anyway? DOC: To see if youre at risk, of course! (WHICH SHOULD HAVE READ: It is symbolic of our struggle against disease. TO WHICH I SHOULD HAVE REPLIED: Symbolic of your struggle against reality!) Or am I being harsh? Love, Lyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robyn ThompsonSent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 5:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth Sarah is a GP who has had 4 homebirths and writes wonderful articles, she has written quite a lot about Lotus Birth. Good Luck [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Julie GarrattSent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:25 PMTo: ozmidSubject: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth Hi fellow listers, Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic. Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. Julie'', Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[ozmidwifery] epidurals vs midwifery support
Hi all Before I left Perth in 2001 there was a trial going on at KEMH comparing early epidural v continuous midwifery support in labour. Had some catchy name which of course COMPLETELY evades me at the moment. Did the results ever get published? A colleague in the UK was asking Kirsten still stuck in Minnesota where it is TURKEY DAY so we are going out to eat ourselves silly in good North American fashion -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
The hospital I used to work at in Perth has child care but of course it's only during the day - mainly to cater for women coming to AN appts I think. Everyone knows that major crises of any nature NEVER happen during office hours. Furthermore, if they are going to start looking at childcare within the hospital - how about on site childcare for the STAFF to use? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births) What about the possibility of child care within the hospital? I can hear the screams of budget budget, etc. Yet it's not such a far-fetched idea. How many people need to use hospitals and have to have their children looked after? Would it be a nightmare? Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)
where I have worked in the past the rule of thumb has been: have someone to care for the child, even if they are coming to the birth. That means, if your child is attending you need to have a support person dedicated to caring for the child. If your partner is your only support person, and your child needs care, then your partner has to care for the child, regardless of whether that means they need to leave the birthing room. In these days of staff shortages in many hospitals I think that's pretty fair. As a midwife I cannot be 'with' the woman completely if I'm also dealing with her preschooler. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births) Sorry I was only quoting what she had said - 'nurses or nursing staff did not help her with the tot. And gee - what was she meant to do? Any ideas! Living about 3 hours drive awayfrom her parents who were driving down to helpshe had 3 close back up child minders and her nighbour had offered - it was her second child of the 4 so she only had one 2 yr old and all 3 people were unreachable and the neighbour was out. I guess she could have left him in the car - perhaps a roasted dead 2 yr old would be less trouble for the staff. I feel that it would be the midwives responsibility to help the familyin this sort of case which would involve some assistance with the toddler regardless if they had planned to have him there or not. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 23:47:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births) Please midwives not nurses, nursing staff. THE MIDWIFE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF MOTHER AND BABY. If anything goes wrong she is responsible, and ends up in court, and has to live with it.Distractions such as toddlers running around can affect everyone present. I once cared for a family where the 3 year old was busy under the bed. I was scared of him hurting himself and or dismantling the bed [I have one myself that could dismantle anything with his busy little fingers]. I agree, a well prepared, lovingly supervised tot is a delight, and I too love the older children to be involved. The question of the lights wouldn't have bothered me, I prefer them off. Who was minding the other kids? Maureen. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of RhondaSent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births) Dear robin, I can understand this attitude but when the parents have made every effort to get help and have been unable to contact anyone (just bad timing rather than bad management) you would expect some understanding and support from the nursing staff - not like she could just put off her labour until the babysitter came home. She was made to feel that she was not meant to have him there etc as she had not planned it she was also feeling that he was not meant to be there which made her uncomfortable. Also it does not take much effort to help especially with this woman who basically popped out all of her four boys without any assistance or complications. I don't know why she went to the hospital - personally. 4 hours being her longest labour. No tears, no other complications at all except an unattended 2yr old who found the light switch. I did say to her if that was her only complaint out of 4 hospital births then she had "nothing" to complain about! LOL Rhonda. If that was the worst thing to happen to all women we would all be laughing! ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 25, 2002 19:35:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:
Re: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn
by day 6 if bf well I'd exclude hypoglycaemic, especially if output is good. Prophet of doom in me says maybe something neurological? Kirsten - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn Case to ponder 4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram babySVD under water at home apgars 9+10 .breast feed well mother GBS+ AND DECLINED absunless PROM or prem birth etc etc No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days some transient rapid resps and early jaundice problem periods of jittering when disturbed not cold not hypo bf non stop if limbs held then jittereing ceasesno associated high pitch in cry or unusual stare in eyes babe is well and now d6 still jitters at times not confused with moro a real tremor fine motor type Any mws out there come across this before?I havn't in an otherwise well babe and I've been around 30 years love jan
[ozmidwifery] big baby court case
How about a BRAVO to Dr Dickinson for her comments! I wish most of my patients had labour like this, Prof Dickinson said. Clearly, Ms Sheppard has a magnificent pelvis. Prof Dickinson said there were no indicators which suggested a caesarian section would have been advisable. However, Prof Dickinson admitted some doctors may have decided to operate. Some of my colleagues would perform a caesarian because a foetus is in the womb, she said. Or it could be that it's five o'clock and time to go home. Kirsten Blacker Rochester MN where it is starting to snow...sigh -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] American nurses in Oz
Im an Australian nurse working in the USA if that helps. Perhaps your friend could contact me off list to discuss it Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; BMid Student Collective [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] American nurses in Oz Sorry for the off-topic question, but... I'm a Yank living in Melbourne... an American friend, who's a nurse, is interested in coming to work in Oz. In your experiences in hospital such, are there many American nurses out there? Does anyone have any advice for me? I know that there are a lot of nurses from the UK Canada that work in Oz ( vice versa) lots of agencies to get them out, but I haven't found anything about nurses from the US. Makes me wonder is it's a Commonwealth thing that makes it look for easy for UK, Canada, etc. I've spoken w/ Dept of Immigration, Victorian Dept. of Health, etc nobody's really given me a straight answer. Thanks in advance. Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] HIV and birth
There was research in the last few years to show that EXCLUSIVE breastfeeding was as safe as EXCLUSIVE formula feeding in the first six months.As I understand it, the breastfeeding protects the integrity of the baby's gut, helping decrease the chance of the HIV virus getting through, but mixed feeding is a no-no because once formula damages the gut lining then the virus in the breastmilk can permeate the gut lining more readily. (IBCLCs on list please correct me if I am wrong here) I believe the current recommendation by the WHO is that HIV + mothers who live in developed countries with a guaranteed clean water supply refrain from breastfeeding, but that in underdeveloped countries BF is ok in HIV mums - the important thing is the exclusivity, and it also means abrupt weaning completely from the breast when other foods are introduced at 6months+ . That's my take on it anyway There is discussion on this in the lactnet archives I'm sure Kirsten - Original Message - From: Barry MacGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] HIV and birth Megan I have read somewhere (I can't remember where, quite possibly on this list???) that exclusive breastfeeding for HIV mothers is just as safe as bottle feeding. Haven't read anything about birth though. Sonja -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP
??? Is this regarding the autoreply thing? I only get it for some messages? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP Kirsten I think it is on your computer as I dont get this message at all. I know I have it disabled in the preferences. Andrea Q -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP
Gabrielle, Can you please disable the part of your email program that asks for a response to each message? It's very annoying on a list Kirsten - Original Message - From: Gabrielle Williams To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP Well done Sandra, I'm sure you lobbied hard for that.Queensland needs as much support as it can get to get this one heard. Gabrielle - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Barbara Cook ; Bruce Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP Thought I would let you all know aboutanother little step taken today. Regional ALP Conference held in Cairns today unanimouslycarried the motion - "That the conference endorse the National Maternity Action Plan and recommmend it to the State and Federal Health policy committees for consideration and implementation" Sandra
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: READ - TAKE HEED !!!
as an Aussie existing in the USA, can I just say that our tax file number doesn't even begin to equal the value of the SS number. You can't even get the PHONE connected without a SS number (I kid you not). One of the things that annoys me constantly is when I go to inservice I have to give my SS number along with my name when I sign attendance records. Of course I'm the only idiot who doesn't know their SSN off by heart cos I've only had it for a year!! Kirsten who only has 8 months to go - Original Message - From: Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: READ - TAKE HEED !!! This is obviously American advice - Australian's don't have Social Security numbers. I guess the closest thing is the Tax File Number. However - the photocopying everything is *good* advice. I have heard similar advice about going overseas, which I follow - I always take several photocopies of the front page of my passport, and take one with me and leave one here with someone I can contact easily. If I then lose my passport or have it stolen it is then much easier to replace. Regs Brian White ( The list's lurking geek ... ) At 23:26 14/11/2002, Rhonda wrote: I am not sure if these numbers work from Australia but the advice is good in this day and age. I would never have thought to photocopy what was in my purse. Regards Rhonda. I don't know if a corporate attorney actually sent this out, but it sounds like good advice. A corporate attorney sent this out to the employees in his company... Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine, do both sides of each license, credit card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed against us in stealing a name, address, Social Security, credit cards, etc. Unfortunately I, an attorney, have firsthand knowledge because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the thieve(s) ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: We have been told we should cancel your credit cards immediately. But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them easily. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never ever thought to do this) Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and Social Security number. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost ! ! ! two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them in their tracks. The numbers are: Equifax: 1-800-525-6285 Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742 Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289 Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271 We pass along jokes; we pass along just about everything. Do think about passing this information along. It could really help someone. http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=91438a9.jpg IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=9Click Here - Brian White Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Knowledge Management Consultancy, SGML XML Phone: +612-93197901 Web: http://www.steptwo.com.au/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Management Requirements Toolkit 112 CMS requirements, ready to cut-and-paste -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] info on cholestasis
She needs to have liver function monitored regularly once she starts itching. It may be that she develops this earlier in this pregnancy and induction may need to be done earlier to coincide with that. Cholestasis has a horrendously high risk of stillbirth, and shouldn't be taken lightly. There is plenty of literature that has come out in the last 5-10 years about this - try searching under obstetric cholestasis in medline. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] info on cholestasis Has anyone have any suggestions for a mum who is pregnant with baby number four, about 13 weeks, but developed cholestasis with her last baby. Fortunately it was very late into her pregnancy and she birthed vaginally after an induction, all going well. I have some info that was posted 12 months ago from Natalie Forbes Dash, just wondering if anyone knows anything new? thanks in advance, Megan. PS - she has had midwifery care in the past, but this may exclude her from using the Birth Centre, also now has health insurance and is a tad keen to get her return on this. She does have an idea about the different philosophies of midwives and Obs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Fw: FW:
Now I've always thought/believed/heard that it is the WOMAN"S orgasm that contributes more prostaglandins than the mans. THoughts? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Terry Garnons-Williams To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Fw: FW: I've been told that it takes five shots of seminal fluid (in quick order) to reach the same doasge as that given to women to induce labour with pharmaceutical PG's And from the stories I've been told, it works beautifully - in LOTS of lovely ways. Cheers! Terry - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Fw: FW: A pig's orgasm lasts 30 minutes. (In my next life, I want to be a pig.)Well, look at that - Now we know why their semen is so potent! I am sure if we can get our men to perform betterthen we canmake the use of prostin obsolete! LOL Rhonda IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] chilly Minnesota USA
Title: Message that's about an hour from me, I'm in Rochester. And last year was an incredibly MILD winter. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] chilly Minnesota USA Ooh, Kirsten... I was in Minneapolis last October for the Lamaze conference...the air sure had a bite to it then so cant even imagine how chilly it gets getting towards Christmas... from Sunny Queensland... Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kirsten BlackerSent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH I"ve always been told that once teeth are there they need to be brushed. Initially with a piece of gauze on your finger, then a baby toothbrush. But no toothpaste till they are 2. That advice came from an ex dental nurse Kirsten Blacker in chilly Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Lyn Cottee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH Dear List, Can anyone tell me when a good time to start brushing a baby's teeth is? She's 14 months and has 9 beautiful teeth. She eats no sugary foods (unless they're naturally occurring, such as in fruit) and has her own toothbrush and natural toothpaste, with no SLS or fluoride in it. I've tried brushing on numerous occasions and it's a lot of fun, but not that effective, as she finds biting the toothbrush and swallowing the toothpaste far more interesting than having a good brush. Should I not stress about it, or should I work harder to establish an effective oral hygiene routine? I'm asking you guys as I take the available information from toothbrush and toothpaste! ! manufacturers with a pinch of salt... Love, Lyn Cottee
Re: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins I"ve always been told that once teeth are there they need to be brushed. Initially with a piece of gauze on your finger, then a baby toothbrush. But no toothpaste till they are 2. That advice came from an ex dental nurse Kirsten Blacker in chilly Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Lyn Cottee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH Dear List, Can anyone tell me when a good time to start brushing a baby's teeth is? She's 14 months and has 9 beautiful teeth. She eats no sugary foods (unless they're naturally occurring, such as in fruit) and has her own toothbrush and natural toothpaste, with no SLS or fluoride in it. I've tried brushing on numerous occasions and it's a lot of fun, but not that effective, as she finds biting the toothbrush and swallowing the toothpaste far more interesting than having a good brush. Should I not stress about it, or should I work harder to establish an effective oral hygiene routine? I'm asking you guys as I take the available information from toothbrush and toothpaste! ! manufacturers with a pinch of salt... Love, Lyn Cottee
Re: [ozmidwifery] AXA insurance drops cover for caesars
All this will do is have people change their health insurance. Frankly , if I was paying for health insurance and they weren't going to cover the cost of a c/birth then I would change insurance providers. I think there are more effective ways to change to c/birth rate than to financially penalise women who have medically indicated c/births Kirsten - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] AXA insurance drops cover for caesars Hi Listers, I have just heard a very exciting report on the BBC news tonight. This may be helpful for putting pressure on private insurance companies in OZ what do you think we can do? I've already written about it on my Diary - http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/archives/68.html Please read about it there as it saves me having to write it all out again Look forward to your responses. Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Nova Peris is speaking at the ILCA conference next year in Sydney I don't know what her birth experience was like but she might be someone worth approaching Kirsten - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] educating the community Some of us in Adelaide had a NMAP think tank on Friday. Had some thoughts on exposure , in particular the $30 million bail out for Dr's and not midwives. ABC 's Backberner might be sympathetic to our cause and the love it or hate it Beauty and the Beast could be useful. Both would need a reasonable number of letters to be interested. Our suggestions for a benefactor were (no idea of spelling or title),Janet Holmesacourt, Dame Murdoch(mother of Rupert), Sara Ohare (might want a baby one day?), Prof Fiona Stanley and SA's Governer General, Marjorie Jackson. The latter has had grandchildren born in Birth Centre under midwifery care and we will be seeking an appointment with her. Have any of our top sports women or men had midwifery care, past and present. What about Patrick Rafter's partner? So does anyone know how to contact these people Someone knows someone who can help, we just need to ask, Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ultrasound
I would LOVE to see this link, given that I am working there at the moment, and it feels like the intervention capital of the world Kirsten - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ultrasound it was from the Mayo clinic websiteAndrea QuanchiOn Friday, October 25, 2002, at 10:19 AM, elizabeth mcalpine wrote: Hello lister,Recently someone posted information on the effects of U/S on the baby. Something like 'a speeding train in a tunnel'. I had downloaded the article but have lost it.Can someone help??Liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
there is a facial cream here in the USA , sold at Walmart (big department store) which has placenta in it. I'm always torn between how GOOD it might be and the gross factor! I'll look at the ingredient list again next time I'm there and let y'all know Kirsten - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta sheep's placenta cream, which is very good for dermatitis and eczema. Interesting! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] teatree oil
Greeting from chilly Minnesota, I had a question from a LLL leader today about teatree oil. She uses it for lots of things and had read about use of it in an inhaler or room vaporiser for croup, but is uncertain of the dose. Does anyone on the list have an idea of how much to use? The only recommendation I could give her for the room vaporiser was to start with a small dose until she could smell it in the room. Kirsten -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] VIRUS WARNING
I think if you go to one of the respected antivirus sites www.symantec.com is the one I use, you will be able to get the instructions to reinstall this deleted file Kirsten - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VIRUS WARNING a 'bright spark/computer know-it-all' who messed around with my computer a few weeks ago deleted that file. now every time I boot up my computer says it can't find that file and there's stuff I can no longer do and takes ages to get into Word, which I use daily. . Leave well alone! aviva - Original Message - From: Christine Tony Holliday To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VIRUS WARNING This message has been around for some months now. When I checked with my internet provider they said it was not a virus and not to do anything which I didnt and nothing untoward happened. It may be best to check with your internet provider or the provider of your anti-virus systems before you delete anything from your computer. Christine -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheena JohnsonSent: Saturday, 12 October 2002 10:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nola Aicken; kirrily lee; Eileen Hulston; Claire Bell; Cheryl Gray; allison; ACMICc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nola Aicken; kirrily lee; Eileen Hulston; Claire Bell; Cheryl Gray; allisonSubject: [ozmidwifery] VIRUS WARNING Hi everyone Got this message and found the file they were talking about, not sure what it would have done but deleted it anyway and nothing happened so if you find it delete it. Sheena A virus has been passed onto our computers. As your contact is in my address book, you may have received this virus from me as well. Please see the instructions below to delete and pass on to your contacts The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol
Hi , the half life info is from the referenc materials I was given to teach from. In fact, you know what looking at it now, it is just the efficacy that was 1.5hours (my mistake). Hale lists the half life as 5 hours in adults and the PHL (paediatric half life) as 0.86 hours Kirsten - Original Message - From: CJ Knight To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Kirsten Nubain is nalbuphine hydrochloride while Tramadol is tramadol Hydrochloride (Known in Aust as Tramol and US as Ultram. I have heard they are using Tramol as a postop analgesia for caesars here in WA (at KEMH but that may be as a clinical trial). Where did you source the half life info-information I read talks about a half life of 5 hours though that may be for adults only. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Is tramadol the same as nubain (U.S)? I"m interested to know the likelihood of us using thisone day in Aus. as it has only a 2 hour half life in babies. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:21 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Hi Lisa, Did you ever find out more about Tramadol I would be interested to hear the outcome. Cheers, Edwina (midwife mother, SA) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of LisaSent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:06 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Hi The anaesthetic dept. at the hospital where I work has asked the pharmacy to look at removing pethidine from the formulary for both general and maternity clients (mainly because of adverse side-effects). They suggest that tramadol is a safer alternative and that a "number of published studies" have shown that; · it is safe and effective in labour and birth · it doesnt cause respiratory depression in mother or baby · it has no adverse effect on: - length of labour - incidence of instrumental birth - neonatal outcome I have not read these studies. I am interested in hearinga discussion around the use of this drug and where other hospitals around the country are at in terms of using both pethidine or tramadol in labour. Lisa
[ozmidwifery] interesting article on insurance
interesting article on insurance http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5228989%255E21902,00.html Kirsten still freezing my *** off in Minnesota, USA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol
Is tramadol the same as nubain (U.S)? I"m interested to know the likelihood of us using this drug one day in Aus. as it has only a 2 hour half life in babies. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:21 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Hi Lisa, Did you ever find out more about Tramadol I would be interested to hear the outcome. Cheers, Edwina (midwife mother, SA) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of LisaSent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:06 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol Hi The anaesthetic dept. at the hospital where I work has asked the pharmacy to look at removing pethidine from the formulary for both general and maternity clients (mainly because of adverse side-effects). They suggest that tramadol is a safer alternative and that a "number of published studies" have shown that; · it is safe and effective in labour and birth · it doesnt cause respiratory depression in mother or baby · it has no adverse effect on: - length of labour - incidence of instrumental birth - neonatal outcome I have not read these studies. I am interested in hearinga discussion around the use of this drug and where other hospitals around the country are at in terms of using both pethidine or tramadol in labour. Lisa
Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper
There is such a beast as a teratoma, I believe where all or part of a twin can grow within the other, but it's usually just a small part ie a toe or something - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper I came across a single paragraph in the Weekly Telegraph (i.e. the overseas weekly version of the UK Daily Telegraph) about a six month old baby boy in China who was operated on because of a distended stomach. A dead fetus of 3lb was found in the boy's stomach. Dr's said the dead baby grew inside the boy when he was inside his mother's uterus.Now I'm not one to slavishly believe everything that I read in the newspapers, but the Telegraph is a fairly reputable newspaper. Did anyone else read about this? Has it been heard of before?Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] lactnet site
Lactnet Archives are at:LACTNET Archives http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.htmlTo Manage your Subscription, ie go nomail, index, etc, go to:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] lactnet site Could some one please post the lactnet site for me? I seem to have "lost" it. Thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Premature
I can only assume they are seeing a paediatrician for follow up because he was preterm. Head banging behaviour rings bells for autism for me - maybe a developmental paed should assess? Kirsten - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Premature Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had experience or knowledge of premature babies. With regards to 'head hitting'. Some people we know have a son who is now 18 months (11 weeks premy). He isn't yet walking or talking but does stand and crawls very fast. My question is that he has a habit of hitting his forehead against things on purpose! At times he will knock his head against anything available and quite hard. He does have bruises from some of this activity which is of great concern to me. I have question his parents about this and was told he has "compression"... further to this is that his skull isn't growing quick enough for his brain and this "hitting" is a reaction to the compression. This is as much as I have been told. Has anyone got more information on this or any experience on this matter? I would appreciate any help.. Darren. IMPORTANT NOTICE: CONFIDENTIALITY AND LEGAL PRIVILEGE This email is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or photocopying of this email is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this email in error please immediately notify us by return email. Thank you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA contact
I have a sister who is a counsellor if you are just looking for contact addresses Kirsten - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ABA contact Is there some one on Ozmidwfery on the state or national executives of Aust Breastfeeding Ass denise Hynd
Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation
Hi Jo, I think the timing of return to menses may have been coincidental. Many exclusively breastfed babies appear to be 'sliding' down the percentiles if older growth charts are used. These growth charts were constructed using a small group of mainly formula fed babies with solids introduced at 4months, so exclusively breastfed babies don't meet these artificially high growth curves. There are new growth charts available for breastfed babies (I think from W.H.O) which are a better way to plot BF babies' growth Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Jo Slamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Midwifery List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation A late footnote to this conversation... I am exclusively b/fing bub #2 - no solids, demand fed, no pacifier, latches on at least 3 times per night, co-sleeping, and menstruation returned last week at 4mos, 29 days. Same feeding/sleeping scenario with #1 and menstruation occurred when he was 5 months old. I was hoping we'd go a little longer 2nd time around! Both boys on the 90th percentile for weight also, so have been pumping out the milk up to this age. Does anyone know how the return of menstruation affects milk supply - I have heard/read conflicting reports. My eldest's weight started coming down the percentiles after menstruation returned - and he continued to feed o/night beyond 10 months. wondered if he was needing solids, or if due to milk supply diminished with return of other hormonal influences. Wondering what might happen this time. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] kangaroo care site
Nils Bergman's site is at www.kangaroomothercare.com and include a great photo series of a premie babe that used care. Personally, I always have to explain here that kangaroo care has nothing to do with my nationality! Kirsten Blacker still in Rochester MN, USA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: co-sleeping
There are hospitals in Australia that have this too! Kirsten - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: Pinky McKay ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: Re: co-sleeping There is a hospital in Santa Cruz, California that has queen size beds in the postpartum ward (not a rumour, I have seen them with my own eyes, with mum, dad, and baby all snuggled up in one), nice, coloured, soft bedspread too, Dominican Hospital, Santa Cruz. There may be other hospitals too, but this is one I know of. marilyn - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:26 AM Subject: co-sleeping Prof Andrew Fleming was in a great story on Today Tonight in Melbourne tonight. He is the co author of a large study into SIDs reported in the BMJ 1999 , 319: 1457 -1462 In this study it was shown that the risk of SIDS was halved if the baby slept in the same room as the parents -as did an earlier New Zealand study. Prof Fleming said on Tv tonight that this was whether baby slept in the same bed as mum or not . There is much research into safe sleeping environments in this study. I also had quite a bit of email corrrespondence with James mcKenna during writing parenting By Heart -great info on his website. William Sears claims that the mother sleeping close to he baby acts like a pacemaker to the babe. -I have more "ammo" on co-sleeping in my new book "100 Ways to Calm the Crying" (for release 3rd July) I would question the two SIDS cases - were the parents (either parent) smokers? under the influence of alcohol orANY medication that limited their awareness of the baby? On soft mattresses/ sofas? Using doonas (overheating - babes head needs to be uncovered) Was the baby breastfed or not? Had the baby been given any medication -there is a link between phenergan and SIDS- many SIDS babies have been found to have colds -phenergan apparently affects swallowing and breathing reflexes. It is the sleeping environment, not simply co-sleeping or not that poses a risk to babies. ALso - how many SIDS cases were there at the same time in cots -ie if your baby died sleeping in a cot would it then be recommended that 2 babies died of SIDS in cots so we must all co-sleep? I dont think so -While it is sad that any baby dies, the natural way is always open to blame -if a baby died who was born at home we would be told this was dangerous and no refs would be made to babies who die in hospital By the way, did you know that the rumour about "overlaying" came about a few hundred years ago when very poor women in Europe confessed to their priests that they had deliberately "over;laid" their bubs as they couldnt afford more children, so the Catholic church decreed that sleeping with babes was dangerous. Snuggle those bubs with their mums and advise them to read a supportive book. Pinky. www.pinky-mychild.com
Nikki McFarlane
If Nikki is on the list right now could she contact me off list, otherwise could some one send me her email contact. I need to discuss postpartum resources in Singapore. Kirsten Blacker -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Melbourne massage
Hello ozmidders, A request for those of you in Melbourne. DOes anyone know of a massseur / masseuse that does great pregnancy massage. I have a friend who is Melbourne(has been living in Singapore)she is 36 weeks pregnant and just watched her mother die of metastatic breast cancer. I've told her to have a 'spoiling' day after the funeral - her husband will be flying back to Singapore where her other two children are. She needs not only a great massage but from someone who will be sensitive to her emotional needs Kirsten Blacker -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: breastfeeding survey tool
search the lactnet archives at http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: PaulTracy To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: breastfeeding survey tool Hi all, Am in search of a tool you may know of to assist me in a survey I would like to conduct on long term breastfeeding rates. Basically I would like to document our ward breastfeeding initiation rate and then follow up our ladies at 6 weeks, 3, 6, 9, 12 months to see what the rates are like then. At 6 weeks I would like to send the ladies a survey to fill in re: their breastfeeding experience ie. did they require assistance on the ward with feeding, was the information they were given useful, conflicting etc.. I know I have seen one of these surveys in a piece of literature I once read but can't seem to find it. Any ideas? I would really appreciate any references you could give me, especially if they are easily obtainable. I am also seeking Jen Byrnes E-mail address and phone number. Kind regard Tracy
Re: URGENT!!!
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Re: 'educated' women
so long as we also play pre op tapes to people having breast reduction, breast enhancements, face lift, tummy tucks...etc etc. Kirsten - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: 'educated' women I really think all women considering elective cesareans should be shown graphic videos of the operation and exactly what will be done to their body. As a midwifery student I was quite interested to witness my first c/s and it was nothing at all like the pre-op videos I had seen in CBE classes or at school and certainly not at all like the birthday TV shows. Also, since there is quite a lot of variety in the length of time to perform the surgery etc., I think several such videos should be shown to those requesting elective c/s for non obstetric/medical reasons. I think this would be true informed consent. Having been with a few friends lately who have had necessary surgeries for a variety of conditions, I was shocked at how the body trauma of the surgery was minimised to these women. I was also shocked at the response I received when I tried to inform one family of the help their mum would need after such a major operation (she nee! ! ded a complete hysterectomy after torsion of her fallopian tube and her ovary becoming a 5 pound mass). The surgeons had really minimised the post-op recovery etc.. presumably to get my friend to have the surgery, which incidently I totally agreed she needed. Anyway, I think people need reality checks every now and again. marilyn
