Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...
Hi Tania, If she joins up with www.birthlove.com, it costs $29.95 I think, they offer a free online doula course. It is pretty good. They have a topic a month and you can also access the archives. Otherwise, tell her to jump on www.joyousbirth.info as she will find an abundance of great info there. Love Abby Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a friend who is not a midwife, and she has been asked to be the labour support person at a close friends birth. She has birthed three times herself, twice at home, and is a lovely gentle, practical woman, who Im sure will be perfect for the job. She feels that shed like to have some kind of formal training, even if its just a workshop, and Im wondering if there is anything like that available here in Australia. Shed be fine with something online or via correspondence, but doesnt really need to do the full doula course. Ive suggested she attends some of the fine active birth workshops here in Adelaide that are run by the local yoga centres, and that appealed too. Any other ideas? Thanks Tania -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 6:47 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Farewell ~ wasRe: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?
hi, I just wanted to thank everyone on this list that have not been afraid to stand up for what they believe (wether it was in agreement with me or not). It has come time for me to put all my energy into my family and real life relationships. I will still be on Joyous Birth and hopefully will catch up with people around the birthing scene. My email addy is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if people would like to keep in contact. I haven't been very vocal in recent times on this list due to some very horrible emails being sent to me in reaction to my views and opinions on this list. I still check my emails everyday to see what's been happening so have still been around. Thanks again. One thing I would like to leave with everyone, one of my favourite qoutes ~ Well behaved women rarely make history Love Abby (P.S. For those of you who were following my sisters pregnancy and birth issues with Ryde ~ my sister gave birth to a beautiful, big baby boy. He was born in the water, which was something my sister never considered. She laboured beautifully at home for 10 hours and the headed to the hospital at 4pm, birthed at 5pm. For a hospital birth it was really lovely. The only negative, a midwife came in who had never met my sister before and started telling her what to do, not in a bossy way but just in an 'I'm the expert' way. I'm sure she thought she was being helpful but it really threw my sister. She really only wanted her chosen people in with her and so stopped during pushing to ask who she was. the midwife didn't even introduce herself. I think it is so important for midwives to respect women in labour in hospitals, just as you would not walk into birthing womans home unannounced and just assume your role.That was my sisters only complaint. She said it was her best birth out o! f her three.) Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm still getting only the odd email so apologies if I repeat what anyone else has said. Justine really has her finger on the pulse in terms of consumer apathy/lack of knowledge. One thing that really struck me as I was completing my midwifery degree though and doing my clinical placements, was how scared most midwives working in the hospitals are of being sued. They practice defensive midwifery/obstetrics becuase they are constantly covering their arses. The same story of course with all the doctors. And that's how we are all taught, as such. And as a student, when I dared to stand up for the women to stay off the CTG or refuse a c/section just because it was 8pm what did I get - abuse and fear thrown at me by 'senior' midwives - 'it will be on your head if that baby dies' stuff. And I'm not kidding or making this up. This is how we as students are taught - be it within a BMid degree or as a post grad nurse... and we work besdie all the fear based doctors... Of course I discussed CTG vs intermittent auscultation, etc etc and placed the documents on the desk the next morning, but if I hadn't had my 20 odd years of normal birth prior to doing my placements then I would be learning to behave and think like others who work in and for the system. I was even challenged fully for delaying cord clamping ..by a young doctor ..who of course was taught that cutting the cord stimulates the baby to breathe... and when I presented a PP presentation to other midwives in the unit about delayed cord clamping - one response? None of us cut the cord early here anyway. Duh - I nearly fell over. This is why there is so little change And don't bite my head off either - I know there are also midwives working in the system who are doing fantastic work to enact change - to policies and attitudes, to empower the women ... bu in my mind, the change will have to occur as a total change - like midwifery led units with little doctor input, where midwives are happy to truly advocate for the women and be prepared to continue to learn - like taking women past 41 weeks or even 42 weeks if all is well, taking on care of normal birth with all its facets birthing happier and healthier babies with mothers intact about their birth process and should I say it .. maybe even empowered as mothers and parents. Sue Nah, not throwing it out the window at all, I see it as having great potential and a great opportunity to learn and develop for Australia. It's great for everyone to know what you've just said Justine, as no-one really knows anything about what's going on, and all the work occurring behind the scenes. The more we know about progress, the more we can work together and understand the whys and hows and get excited. Also good for morale I think, seeing and hearing progress... but with that you also need to talk challenges, goals and improvements to be made. Perhaps you might like to speak at the conference and let us know what you have been doing, what you are hoping
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
Hi Kelly, Great idea! It would be good too if you could put a note next to each name with their 'management' ideas eg. some Ob's will say they support vaginal breech births, but infact they inforce a breech extraction with epidural etc. And others who insist on a woman lying down and are very hands on, both of which can be extremely dangerous for mum and bubs. I think it would be great to really know who is naturally minded when it comes to supporting mamas in birthing their breech bubbas. Love Abby Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;) So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks! Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] terminating pregnancy
Hi, Many women I know who have experienced a dc and naturally miscarried have said that the overall experience ie. physical, emotional and spiritual, was much better when it was natural. They felt like it was easier on their body and gave their body and mind time to adjust. Love Abby Päivi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Di, And thanks for your response. I guess it would be quite unpleasant to remain pregnant and wait for the spontanious abortion, but do you suggest, that it would be better that way? Are the risks of induced abortion to do with cytotec mainly or are there other things to consider also? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: RE: RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs
Hi Mary, If midwives actually ask for this larger payment, would women still want to have their services? I think women still want their services, but Sydney midwives are way out of some mamas price range. Women now have an income from the Government that would pay for the midwife, but many parents see this as a payment to relieve the mortgage, clear debt or buy a big TV. Or, some women use that money so they can stay at home longer with their new bub. For my sis, in sydney, it was a choice between having a very much wanted homebirth and only being able to stay at home with her bub for 6 weeks or birthing in a birth centre and being able to stay at home for 6 months. the money from the government, despite what some people may do with it, is a generous offer to help out with the costs of staying at home with a new baby. It seems that in Sydney, midwives prices have gone up whenever the baby bonus has gone up. I think it is really sad that women in Sydney have to pay more and use more of that money when women allover the rest of the country get to have a homebirth and also have the benefits of reduced stress levels because of the leftover baby bonus they receive. I think midwives are worth it if a woman so desires, but I don't see how come Sydney midwives are worth s much more?? Abby xo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs
Hi Barb, I think it's wonderful that you had such an amazing birth and wish for all women to have such an experience. From my understanding, many Sydney midwives ask their clients to come to them not vice versa. So a lot of their care is not midwifery care at home, rather it is out of their home until the final weeks. I'm not sure about all midwives, but this seems more common place now in Sydney. And, you get paid $4000 to have a child these days. Midwifery care at home? It's a bargain. I find it very interesting that people see you get paid to have a baby. I was under the impression that the baby bonus was given to help mums to be able to afford to stay home longer from work, or upgrade their car if they need more space, or buy car seats, slings, good food for nourishment while breastfeeding etc. The only women I know that can afford to spend that whole $4000 on midwifery care are the women that didn't need that money in the first place. The women that choose to spend the whole amount even though they can't afford it, because they have no other choice in Sydney, have no benefits from the baby bonus for living expenses with a newborn. There is no bargain if you can't afford it. I understand the value of midwives and continuity of care and midwifery care at home, but why should women in Sydney and NSW be paying that much more?? Nobody has answered that question. I'm not questioning the value of midwifery care, more why Sydney midwifery care is so much more 'valuable' in the dollars and sense kind of way? Love Abby xo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth
She doesn't mean cutting the cord right away does she? Like when bubs is still underwater?? By her flawed idea of anatomy and physiology she may think that is appropriate?? I find it so hard to see how this kind of 'professional' can be a care provider for birthing mums. Abby xo The paediatrician who has never attended a waterbirth before is saying that she would have to clamp right away because if the woman is holding the baby on her chest, the blood can flow back through the cord to the placenta increasing her risk of PPH. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs
How come there is such a big difference? I mean, that is a really BIG difference!! Love Abby Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same in WA. MM _ Approx $2000-$2500 here in SA I think, from what I know anyway. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
Justine, can you clarify what you mean? I don't understand what you're saying. What greater good are women losing out to? How long will it last? When will births be reinstated? Who is the driving force behind denying women their intended place and mode of birth and what are their motives? Is MC taking up the cause to fight for the consumers to have access to what they were promised? TIA, J I'm interested to hear the answers to these questions to Janet. Thanks Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
I have a couple of questions about this situation in regards to the media statement ~ Unfortunately it has not proven possible to recruit to Ryde Hospital a Career Medical Officer (CMO) with the appropriate skills to assist midwives with the resuscitation of a newborn baby if required. It was my understanding that midwives have all the skills necessary to assist resus of a baby, am I mistaken? Therefore, effective immediately, all women booked to birth at Ryde will birth instead at Royal North Shore Hospital, in the care of their attending midwife. I just wanted to comment here that I find it infuriating that the assumption is made that 'all women booked to birth at Ryde will instead birth at RNSH'. What about what the women want, they weren't even given a choice! I regret that this short-term arrangement is necessary but labour and delivery can be unpredictable even in low risk situations. It's important to have medical expertise available if required. The safety of mothers and babies is our priority. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all midwives have the 'medical expertise' required?? I know I'm preaching to the converted, but Obs must just wonder how on earth our human race has survived without their 'expertise'. Sorry, but I think this is bullshit! Surely it hasn't all of a sudden just happened. I mean, how long has this been known for? Shouldn't the women booked in have been informed that this could be a possibility and given the opportunity to change to another birth centre? This temporary situation is affecting womens lives and it's wrong. They have had their right to a choice denied! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
Thanks Justine. I will pass on your details to my sister. I'm not sure if she will contact you though, she is completely shattered. Her last birth was horribly traumatic in a hospital as was the aftermath. She is freaked out but doesn't feel like she has the strength to fight it. Love Abby Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Abby, Janet and all I hope Sally Tracy answered your questions. I clearly said in my previous message that MC would advocate on behalf of any woman caught up¹ in this. We will support women to achieve the birth they want. I am also happy to assist women in writing letters/ making representations to the AHS, local MP¹s etc. This is core MC business and the area I am most skilled in. If you come across women you can refer them to me or Carol Chapman, NSW President Carol Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0422107045 I will also speak to the local Ryde consumer group to let them know I am available to assist. Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Sexual Abuse Support Groups for Birth/Parenting
I would recommend www.joyousbirth.info too. Especially the forums. There are lots of amazing women on there that offer unconditional support and many have been through it. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] All vaccines at birth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4939996.stm This article creates scary images to me. I think it's bad enough that hep B is given at birth... though why do people jab newborns if their immature immune system can't respond effectively to vaccines??.. another idiocy of birth culture. But this is insane, just what a newborn needs, first being drugged to the eyeballs with pain relief cocktails, taken away from mum and jabbed with a chemical cocktail and synthetic molecules, sounds completely rational to me for protecting bubbas at risk. Let's overload their tiny bodies at a vulnerable time, sure that would be protcting them. What baffles me is, why doesn't all the $$ going into researching ways to create artificial substances and vaccines go into raising breastfeeding and gentle birth practices, or into feeding under nourished pregnant women or creating community gardens and good health and hygeine. These are the things that will change infant mortality, not injecting tiny, vulnerable bodies with dangerous chemicals. Sometimes the rationale of people has me completely stumped! Abby xo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] question babies/antibiotics
- doctor suggests gaviscon, is there any merit in looking at pro-biotics suitable for 8 week olds? Regards, Stephanie - coming to Oz soon from UK Poor little one. Definitely probiotics, I believe gaviscon would just make things much worse. Mum can dip finger in probiotic powder and place in bubs mouth ( best to get a dairy free one) and also can put it around her nipples before feeds. It also helps if mum takes lots too internally. Could be a good idea for mum and bubs to go and see a homeopath too. I know women and their bubs that homeopathics have helped alot. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
but this will no longer be the case with compulsory continuous EFM for all Syntocinon Inductions. I can see Caesarians yet further on the increase at our hospital. Linda Hi, I find the whole idea of a procedure being compulsory as absolutely ludicrous!! You can't make a medical procedure compulsory, unless a patient is deemed not able to make his or her own decisions. From my understanding, mostly this happens with involuntary hospitalization of people with psychiatric disorders. Surely, by agreeing to use these procedures and abide by 'policy' that treats women this way, is basically agreeing that women are incapable of being in control of their own labouring and treating birthing women as involuntary psych patients. Even if, say, that birthing women were 'patients' in need of medical attention, they should definitely not be treated on par with people deemed mentally ill. I think it is atrocious. Hospitals seem to set women up for failure during labour and birth and abiding by the rules and regulations imposed on women in these institutions, midwives are also helping set them up for failure. All options should be offered to all women regardless of how informed or misinformed they are. It is for the woman to decide not the 'care providers' who assume control. Someone who claims to be 'with woman', should be making every effort to support women in making educated decisions, not leading them into hospital policy. If a woman feels safer in hospital to birth, then they should be treated the same as a woman choosing to birth at home. No woman should be treated differently because of her choice of birth place, in fact, that is discrimination. We, in western society, come from broken birth lines. We are afraid, uneducated and willingly pass over control of our births. It is not the birthing womans fault, for the power has been taken away. If midwives could spend more time empowering women during their pregnancy, maybe women would not be pouring water down their legs, what drove this woman to such an act? Fear??!! As care providers we need to support birthing women in taking back their power. This means supporting and providing true education, bucking against a system that sets women up for failure, standing up for what is right when seeing birthing women being treated wrongly, offering alternatives and suggestions, not treating women as involuntary patients but as strong, capable, powerful women. I feel so strongly about this because again and again I see the impact of modern 'birthing'( if you can call it that) practices. Women are damaged and traumatised and angry. Women should not have to fight for their rights as a woman or as a 'patient' ( if you want to see them like that). It is the only time that in hospitals, that I know of, that the 'patient' is not respected. If 'care providers' treated any other 'patient' with the amount of disrespect and disregard as birthing mums are treated with, they would be in big trouble with all kinds of authorities. But, birthing women are trested badly and with a total lack of regard so often. I believe this is shown just even in the whole policy situation. I could rave on for ages, but basically I think it SUCKS that women are treated this way, with rules and regulations aka policy and procedures. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Food for thought......
The use of involuntary hospitalization or any other form of forced treatment is perhaps the most controversial issue in the wider mental health community, pitting family members, citizen advocacy groups, professionals and consumers against one another on the subject. In addition, legal advocates and the courts take very seriously the denial of a person's liberty. Involuntary hospitalization is one of the most extreme examples of denial of liberty in a democratic society To me, making women fight for their rights is a way of forcing treatment, administering a 'compulsory' procedure against a womans wishes is forced treatment, refusing to stop a procedure is forced treatment, forcing women to stay in hospital or making them sign an AMA form are both forms of involuntary hospitalization. Birthing women are being treated in a similiar fashion to people described as ~ .a person is imminently dangerous to self or others; is gravely disabled; or clearly needs immediate care and treatment surely this is not how we see women???!!! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
Therein lies the problem with management of birth...all women, babies and births are not the same, so if everyone caring for the woman and baby does the same thing, how can this possibly be considered appropriate evidence based care? That is such and excellent and valid point. Also, please someone correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't continuos EFM been proven to not affect outcomes in a positive way. If we are talking about policies written with evidence based care in mind, surely the policy should reflect evidence based care. ( whatever evidence based is!) Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
I agree completely Jo. I have been reading this whole thread and feel really frustrated. So many things have gone through my head about what to write, but I feel so disheartened at the moment by all the horror stories I have been reading and hearing. One thing I find so frustrating is the whole being 'allowed' to do this and the hospital 'letting' the woman do that. It's like we're on detention at school and we're the naughty girls that don't know anything. Surely, if as much time and effort went into building up women's confidence in themselves and their ability to birth and know their bodies, as goes into 'policy' and 'protocol' writing, then there would not be a need for this conversation. I think we, as women, need to take back the power and start saying, we are 'allowing' you to do this to MY body, I am 'letting' you do that to my baby, I will decide when the time is right for any procedure I so admire women like Amy that do take back the power, for women only lose it because hey give it away. On that note, Amy, you wrote, I felt like I lost her support when I took the reigns and bucked against hospital protocol. It was like I had offended her...that she felt compromised by me asserting myself. ~ but I think the reality is that you never had her support and she shouldn't have been offended as SHE was the one causing the offence against you. She was comprimising you, your baby and your birth by not listening and supporting you, you being the true expert. When women take back their power and 'care providers' realise that they are not the true experts, then that will be the time when birth becomes more empowered, safer and peaceful with a lot less serious and endangering outcomes. Love Abby Surely the woman would know and wouldn't need it confirmed - so the hosp needs evidence because women can't be trusted to tell the truth. Gggrr! The more I read about this the more frustrating it gets. I supported at a homebirth last year where SROM occurred at 36 weeks, mum new that midwife wouldn't deliver at home before 37 weeks. Got checked at hosp, signed herself out (they wanted her to stay until labour started and to birth there) bed rest for 8 days - constant water trickling - 37 +1 labour started - 4 hours, beautiful healthy baby born in lounge room. Times, clocks, protocols, policies, it's all a load of rubbish. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
I agree completely Jo. I have been reading this whole thread and feel really frustrated. So many things have gone through my head about what to write, but I feel so disheartened at the moment by all the horror stories I have been reading and hearing. One thing I find so frustrating is the whole being 'allowed' to do this and the hospital 'letting' the woman do that. It's like we're on detention at school and we're the naughty girls that don't know anything. Surely, if as much time and effort went into building up women's confidence in themselves and their ability to birth and know their bodies, as goes into 'policy' and 'protocol' writing, then there would not be a need for this conversation. I think we, as women, need to take back the power and start saying, we are 'allowing' you to do this to MY body, I am 'letting' you do that to my baby, I will decide when the time is right for any procedure I so admire women like Amy that do take back the power, for women only lose it because hey give it away. On that note, Amy, you wrote, I felt like I lost her support when I took the reigns and bucked against hospital protocol. It was like I had offended her...that she felt compromised by me asserting myself. ~ but I think the reality is that you never had her support and she shouldn't have been offended as SHE was the one causing the offence against you. She was comprimising you, your baby and your birth by not listening and supporting you, you being the true expert. When women take back their power and 'care providers' realise that they are not the true experts, then that will be the time when birth becomes more empowered, safer and peaceful with a lot less serious and endangering outcomes. Love Abby Surely the woman would know and wouldn't need it confirmed - so the hosp needs evidence because women can't be trusted to tell the truth. Gggrr! The more I read about this the more frustrating it gets. I supported at a homebirth last year where SROM occurred at 36 weeks, mum new that midwife wouldn't deliver at home before 37 weeks. Got checked at hosp, signed herself out (they wanted her to stay until labour started and to birth there) bed rest for 8 days - constant water trickling - 37 +1 labour started - 4 hours, beautiful healthy baby born in lounge room. Times, clocks, protocols, policies, it's all a load of rubbish. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
HI Penny, Thanks for your response. So many good points. I too was in touch with Bronwyn and she left the position in the middle of my application process. I had called the registry before Runah was born and was informed that we just needed to stat decs, one could be from me and one from my hubby. The girl on the phone was lovely and highly intrigued by the concept of unassisted birth. I had heard of mamas having a really hard time so thought this was going to be easy and great. How wrong I was, and I am not one for putting up with being treated badly, but these people were IMPOSSIBLE!! Basically we sent away the form and our two stat decs, we didn't hear back for a few weeks so I rang up and got the most horrible woman on the phone, her name is Maria. She huffed in a disapproving way when I told her our story and said, YOU DID WHAT!!??!! After looking it up she said our application had been processed and we would receive our birth certificate within the week. I asked to speak to her supervisor to put in a complaint about her as she had been really rude. She told me I could not and would have to send a letter of complaint to the office. I demanded to speak with her supervisor and after about 5 mins of arguing she finally agreed to go and get someone. I was on hold for 11 minutes (yes I timed it) and she got back on the phone and said, sorry noone wants to talk to you! You'll just have to write in and complain. I then said, you kept me on hold for 11 minutes to tell me that, and she said, ahh YES!! and chuckled!! AAUUGGHH!!! So, again we didn't hear anything for a couple of weeks, called again, more promises made, another couple of weeks still nothing. Then we received a letter saying we needed to send in more info regarding my doctor, butI didn't have a doctor! This went on for 3 months back and forth, we need this, we need that, but only when we would call and often our calls were not returned. In the end I yelled at someone about how ridiculous and incompetent the system was and got put through to someone else who was very helpful and seemed to get it sorted, but it was not. In the end this is what we provided: Two stat decs from my husband and I Extra proof of ID from us ( which is ridiculous as we had to get a JP to view our ID and sign them) A stat dec from a friend who was at the birth ~ they also asked her a few weeks later to send copies of her ID signed by a JP, then sent her their own stat decs for her to fill in!!) A stat dec from a doctor we know ~ he knew how stupid it could be and photocopied and faxed every piece of id he owned! I then called and they told me I hadn't paid, by this time I was so angry and irate and let loose threatening to come down and create a scene. I do feel sorry for that poor guy. Anyway it worked and a few days later we received a standard and a decorative birth certificate. The funniest thing, a few days after receiving the certificates we received another set! It was a crazy, stressful and demoralising experience and I was definitely being mistreated because of my decision to freebirth. In regards to your comment about the word freebirth as opposed to unassisted birth I use both terms but recently have been thinking about the terms. I sometimes feel that the term unassisted birth implies that assistance is necessary but you have chosen to not have assistance. I think freebirth implies just that, freedom in the true sense of the word, with no interferrence. I too, don't think it's a good decision for every mama, but it was the best, most empowering and healing decision for me. I do think for some mamas it is an enlightened choice, though deeply personal. Love Abby according to where she is at in her life. I think it is the rare few that would truly choose to ever birth without any trained assistance whether it be medical or lay and I don't think it is wise to make this out as an enlightened choice (remember I have had two wonderful births like this myself so I'm not speaking from lack of love for this option). Maybe I have it wrong and the free' relates to no monetary cost! warm regards to all who provide choice for women in a world where it is sadly becoming nonexistent Penny -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Hi Sue, After my beautiful girls birth we called Births Deaths and Marriages and Centrelink and they told us to go to our local hospital. Well, one hospital gave my husband the hardest time about it and refused to give him a form unless I came in. Now this hospital is known for calling DOCS on anyone they think has done the wrong thing ie freebirthing. He then went to our other local hospital and they were s lovely. They gave him all kinds of info on the services they offer, just in case we wanted to take advantage of it and also gave him the forms and everything we needed. Though, the only problem was, it did have the hospital sticker on the back. So, in the end I went to Centrelink and got forms myself, we then had a hell of a time getting our baby registered and then finally we got to hand in our Centrelink forms. Basically, Centrelink won't take the forms unsigned without a Birth Certificate. If you want any info on how to get a Birth Certificate for a babe in NSW let me know. We had to provide all kinds of info and it took months. They have no protocol so it really depends on the person you are speaking to. Love Abby Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006)
Abby for President I love your work! J LOL! Thanks Janet. About 10 years ago my ambition was to become Australias first female prime minister. Things have changed since then, I still want to change things but know it is easier done in the background. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006)
Hi, I do find this totally horrifying, but not any more so than most the stuff OBs and midwives use on a regular basis already in hospitals. In recent times it seems that not many on the Ozmid list raise their voices in response to the ways, techniques and instruments used in the abuse of women and their rights in childbirth. Sort of speaks of the whole birthing scene in this country, midwives in hospitals too scared to speak out against things that fellow care providers are doing to birthing women. To be perfectly honest about this new contraption, it seems way less of an atroscity than cutting a womans yoni open while she lays on a back with a bunch of people standing by! Love Abby ~ who, can't believe the horrible things she reads and hears of the way women are treated in our hospitals while trying to birth their baby's!! Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrea point taken -I was mindful of the copyright requests however..I am sending this to the list again. Originally posted on Friday with no feedback. Are there no others in the oz community horrified by the idea of this devise? Do we not have enough technology invading normal birth already? A timely reminder perhaps in light of the current thread on CTG is that they too were introduced widely with little research to validate their wide spread value yet have been grasped by the legal community as an all seeing tool - a tool which now governs a lot of 'normal' or 'routine' clinical practice. My thoughts Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006) Hi Alesa, Perhaps next time, just cut and paste the relevant section - I find these loo...ong bulletins impossible to wade through! However, I know Debby well and I've done workshops at her hospital. They have the only birth centre in Israel and are a terrific bunch of strong women and midwifery advocates. I am glad she has raised this issue. The thought of this technology is truly awful and I am sure that women will not want to use it if they are fully informed. Reminds me of a gadget that was tested at one of the UK's biggest midwifery hospitals a few years ago: it was a huge belt that was wrapped around the woman's tummy at the start of second stage and then inflated to push the baby down if the woman couldn't push due to having an epidural. You can imagine how the midwives felt about having to be part of the trials. As far as I know, this particular gadget didn't make it to the manufacturing stage, so perhaps this one that Debby speaks of won't either. Who dreams up these ideas? Dare I say it - men, probably! Regards, Andrea MIDWIFERY TODAY E-NEWS A publication of Midwifery Today, Inc. Volume 8, Issue 11, May 24, 2006 Postdates Pregnancies ~~ A high tech company called Barnev (www.barnev.co.il/) is currently manufacturing a product called a computerized labor monitoring system. This product works by placing two clips with electrodes on a laboring woman's cervix and a scalp electrode on the fetus and using ultrasound waves to measure cervical dilation and height (descent) of the fetal head. I am aware of this product because of clinical trials were held at the hospital with which I am affiliated. In spite of the midwives' opposition to using this mechanical device on women, we were not able to totally block its use (although some changes were made in the informed consent, and many women did not agree to participate due to midwives' explaining to them what was involved). The trials were moved to other hospitals where the midwives were not as vocal in their opposition, and now the company is promoting use in Europe and the US. I understand that they have received or will be receiving Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. The product is being promoted as a means to assess women's progress in labor without a manual vaginal examination. I believe that this product takes advantage of and potentially harms women and their babies in labor, all for the purpose of economically profiting a biotech company. I believe that steps need to be taken at a higher level regarding the ethical considerations. How do E-News readers suggest that I carry on from here? Can you offer any support/ideas? I feel that this issue is not only within the midwifery realm, but takes advantage of women's rights and of women's bodies for research purposes under the guise of medical treatment. You can contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debby Gedal-Beer, CNM, MSc. Coordinator of Women's Health and Midwifery Education Sheba Academic School of Nursing Tel Hashomer,
Re: [ozmidwifery] letter writing time
Here is my letter...pretty tame but hopefully to the point. My brain is still not functioning very well. no wonder really, after 6 months of no more than 2 hours sleep at a time! I have just read the article NI published 'Birth Choices'. UnfortunateIy, I found it to be a very uneducated and misinformed article. Gino certainly did not present a balanced view on the real choices a mother faces for the birth of her child nor was his information evidence based, but rather his own personal opinion. In our day of the wonderful WWW, one only has to do a quick search to see the innaccuracy of his article. This article was certainly a disservice to the many mums to be that are also NI readers. It would be great if NI could present a more balanced and researched article with input from different ObGyn's, midwives and also mothers, the true experts on childbirth. A panel to share equally would be wonderful. Professionals from all walks eg. a conventional ObGyn, an alternative ObGyn, a hospital midwife and an independent midwife, a mum who chooses c-sections and a mum that has birthed at home, maybe even a mum that freebirthed. I think a really important point to remember, that is often forgotten when discussing childbirth choices, is that Gino, along with every other male or female 'professional' that hasn't given birth, can not ever fully give a true presentation of choices in childbirth. He or she is not a woman that has been pregnant or birthed a baby. As women, we are so different to men and those differences play a huge part in childbirth. Pregnant women and labouring mothers have so many different hormones, experiences and feelings that play in their every waking moment. This is something that no one can explain or understand unless they have been there. Statistics and 'evidence based studies' can never represent a womans journey through pregnancy and birth. You see, a choice is not that easy these days, it is no longer so black and white. A doctor may see a physically healthy mum and baby as the most important outcome, but the emotional state of a new mum, the bond her and her baby make and so many other factors come into play in a truly healthy and good outcome which leads to a good life and future for both mum and baby. I look forward to seeing a better, more informed and balanced article in the near future. Have a lovely day Abby Hogarth ~ Blackheath, NSW ~ mother of two beautiful girls 1st born via caeserean 2nd a beautiful and healing homebirth Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear New Idea, -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] new idea
That's an excellent letter Emily. You will certainly rock the medical world when you are unleashed! Your passion is wonderful. Love Abby Emily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heres my letter i tried to be nice and respectful and kept trying to keep in mind that everyone has good intentions theyre just obviously uninformed and scared !! it worked for a second and then i was just furious again hahaha we'll see what my reply is -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Misoprostol aka Cytotec
Like everything else, I'm sure they don't nor is it explained to them. I'd say that most people administering it don't know the dangers either. Love Abby Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So despite it's danger to women, it's being used here? How appalling! Bad enough the way Synto gets splashed around like lollies without this crap as well! I wonder if women even know what danger they're in when it's administered?! J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Misoprostol aka Cytotec
Hi, A little while ago someone posted on one of the birth lists about using misoprostol. I can't find the post, but I think it is important to bring to light the dangers of this drug which, seemingly, is becoming more popular in Oz. http://stopcytotec.com/WECAN_STOP_CYTOTEC.php During labor, before the baby is born, Cytotec can cause contractions that are too strong for the baby . . . they can squeeze the placenta so tight for so long that there's not enough oxygen getting through to the baby; this can cause severe fetal distress. Or, if the baby is not fitting into the pelvis (obstructed labor), the very strong contractions caused by Cytotec can actually cause a tear in the birthing woman's uterine muscle, which is called a uterine rupture. ~ taken from www.gentlebirth.org Manufacturer warns against Cytotec (misoprostol) use... August 23, 2000 IMPORTANT DRUG WARNING CONCERNING UNAPPROVED USE OF INTRAVAGINAL OR ORAL MISOPROSTOL IN PREGNANT WOMEN FOR INDUCTION OF LABOR OR ABORTION Dear Health Care Provider: The purpose of this letter is to remind you that Cytotec administration by any route is contraindicated in women who are pregnant because it can cause abortion. Cytotec is not approved for the induction of labor or abortion. Cytotec is indicated for the prevention of NSAID (nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, including aspirin)-induced gastric ulcers in patients at high risk of complications from gastric ulcer, e.g., the elderly and patients with concomitant debilitating disease, as well as patients at high risk of developing gastric ulceration, such as patients with a history of ulcer. The uterotonic effect of Cytotec is an inherent property of prostaglandin E1(PGE1), of which Cytotec is stable, orally active, synthetic analog. Searle has become aware of some instances where Cytotec, outside of its approved indication, was used as a cervical ripening agent prior to termination of pregnancy, or for induction of labor, in spite of the specific contraindications to its use during pregnancy. Serious adverse events reported following off-label use of Cytotec in pregnant women include maternal or fetal death; uterine hyperstimulation, rupture or perforation requiring uterine surgical repair, hysterectomy or salpingo-oophorectomy; amniotic fluid embolism; severe vaginal bleeding, retained placenta, shock, fetal bradycardia and pelvic pain. Searle has not conducted research concerning the use of Cytotec for cervical ripening prior to termination of pregnancy or for induction of labor, nor does Searle intend to study or support these uses. Therefore, Searle is unable to provide complete risk information for Cytotec when it is used for such purposes. In addition to the known and unknown acute risks to the mother and fetus, the effect of Cytotec on the later growth, development and functional maturation of the child when Cytotec is used for induction of labor or cervical ripening has not been established Searle promotes the use of Cytotec only for its approved indication. Further information may be obtained by calling 1-800-323-4204. Michael Cullen, MD Medical Director, U.S. Searle ~ taken from www.birthlove.com http://www.birthlove.com/pages/health/molly_cytotec.html If you search for the dangers of cytotec on google heaps should come up. I think we should all be aware of complications that can arise for mums and bubs. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Hi Kelly, You can contact Natalie Dash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nat has supported quite a few women with an abusive history. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it is important to recognise that some women experience sexual abuse for the first time while birthing. ie. an ob or midwife demands to do a VE while the woman is adimantly opposed or an episiotomy is performed while a woman and her partner are saying NO! or, as in with my first birth, being held down by a midwife and ob while he shoved his hand inside me and made rude remarks how I was not cooperating! More and more sexual assault is happening in birthing units and it needs t be addressed. 'NO MEANS NO' no matter what your proffession. Just because it's in a hospital or because it's an OB, doesn't mean it's okay. I would like to read more about this but am heading away for a week. I'll look forward to catching up with others advice when I get back. Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth - she also lost her mother recently - so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions. she's feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
I believe too, that some doulas do not agree with the 'guidelines' that doulas registered there are asked to abide by. Some of the guidelines go against some doulas I know work ethic and beliefs about their work as doulas. I think a register is a great idea Kelly. Just somewhere where women can find names and details.kinda like the yellow pages for birth attendants. Love Abby I think the doula register is not very popular because it is not marketed, they charge a fee, doula students can't list on there, and they are not 100% recognised as the official doula registration authority (as far as I am aware it is run by optimum birth - just one of the many doula training org's) and there is not one true registration body for all doulas in Australia. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Getting off list
Your comments and thoughts will be missed Jo. I don't know how to get off this list, but just wanted to let you know that you are appreciated. Love Abby Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried a few times to get off this list with no success. Followed the right path etc but still here! Any suggestions? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Tragic story
At least they seem to be doing something about it (by arresting doctors their hospital system can ill afford to lose, but if they are that incompitent should they be anywhere near a patient?) I for one am thankful I am in Australia! Amanda Hi Amanda, I don't believe being in Australia protectsus from incompetent docs, if you check out the joyous birth site you can read about lots. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
Hi, Not sure how 'they' can tell how long a baby is??!! Anyway...for a little hope, I have a friend, my daughters dance teacher, that was diagnosed with 3rd degree placenta previa. She had to stop all activity and be on bed rest for whatever reason at about 30 weeks. I said to her to not give up hope as anything is possible and to visualise the placenta moving etc. She was pretty upset and said, no no, they have told me it can't move I was so worried about her as they booked her in for a c-scetion at 38 weeks, just incase she ruptured. That was last year and I hadn't seen her for a while. Here is the best part..I saw her a couple of months ago, both of us with babes in slings, and I asked how it went?? She said that she chose to have an ultrasound just before the csection, placenta had moved and a week later she had a wonderful 2 hour birth at home!!! So, 'they' are not always right, nor willing to be wrong..and things can change, even at the last minute. Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone offer any words of wisdom for this lovely lady in my forum? I would have thought if it's 2cms away from the cervix it would be okay? So I thought I better ask to be sure before I reply: Hi girls As I've discussed with a couple of you, I've had the same issue and unlike most placentas (my ob says he hasn't seen one move far enough in almost a decade) mine didn't get a wriggle on at all and is barely over 2 cm away from the cervix. It's hardly moved since it was diagnosed at 12 wks. Given that the uterus has grown by oodles seems unfair that the placenta couldn't manage another cm, but there you have it... I asked him a few questions like does that mean it's more 'embedded' into the uterus, which means other complications, etc, but he told me he doesn't think so. Part of my problem might be my uterus hasn't been stretched as much 'cause neither I nor the baby are very big, it's posterior, rather than anterior and they are less likely to move and it's also 'long', whatever that means in medical speak. Really, there's no explanation and I'm just odd. So I'm booked in for a c/s next Friday 10 March. There's no way my ob thinks the 10 cm dilation of the cervix could happen without tearing away a longish portion of the placenta from the wall of the uterus and Lucy's head isn't down further than the placenta either so it would probably be coming out first = emergency c/s. If someone medical is around or someone who has some more info, how have you seen other cases like this handled? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Blood clots after VBAC
Hi Kelly, After my vbac I bleed heavily and passed clots before and after the placenta. I had a lot of pain on the day and for a few days after too. I was worried about retained placenta but chose to ride it out, rest, have heaps of fluids and a friend made up a herbal remedy for me. During the last stages of my birth, I felt a lot of pressure and pain where my scar was. I have thought about it quite a bit since the birth and I wonder if some of the 'pain' has to do with emotional scarring and also a bit of fear and expectation. Not trying to dismiss the pain, as it was very real for me, I just wonder if it is caused by something physical?? Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I supported a close friend of mine in a natural VBAC on Saturday, where everything was perfectly fine (almost 10lber and only a small tear no stitches) until afterwards - she had really bad afterpain and felt pain from what she said was her scar. When voltaren and panadeine didn't help, she had peth as she said the pain was just as bad as labour and wanted some relief. This helped and everything was fine, even breastfeeding went really well. She had a little extra blood loss but nothing excessive. Yesterday she passed three or four golf ball sized clots. The problem is that because based on one midwife's opinion verses several others, she is now not allowed into the Sofitel program with Frances Perry and has to stay in the maternity unit. She is really keen to go, feels well and while several midwives felt she would be fine, one midwife is telling her she will end up bleeding and back into hospital via ambulance. So my friend wants to know, if she can feel comfortable taking the decision into her own hands, as they have discussed this at length with her fill-in Ob (normal On was on holidays as of yesterday) and it's been left in her hands to make a decision. She needs to make it this morning asap. Of course I am not going to tell her what to do but said I would find out some information to help her make her own decision. Also, during labour and obviously afterwards, she was telling me she was having bad pain from her scar. I know muscle moves but the scar doesn't - is this what would cause that pain? Is it common in VBAC's? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirths
It's good to read something positive about birth for a change. Congrats to Justine!! I wonder when the AMA will stop making themselves look like idiotic, uneducated 'professionals'?? However, the Australian Medical Association opposes water births because of potential risks for the baby, including water in the lungs. Do they read?? Surely there is enough credible evidence out there that makes them realise that comments like these are unsubstantiated. Love Abby ~ still in baby dreamland -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternal and Perinatal Outcomes Associated With a Trial of Labor After Prior Cesarean Delivery
Maternal and Perinatal Outcomes Associated With a Trial of Labor After Prior Cesarean Delivery Wouldn't it be great to have a study done on VBAC outcomes that were purely natural and homebirths. All the studies seem to be done in big hospitals where, I can imagine, they have strict proticols regarding 'trial of scar' or 'trial of labor' ( aauugghh how much I hate that, like giving women permission to 'trial' their body, automatically gives a sense of maybe I can, maybe I can't!!) Surely the outcomes of a study would differ greatly when women birthed with complete freedom of movement and with noone monitoring constantly, no fingers eager to 'check' how things are going and no fear from caregivers. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS
Revised guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics issued on Monday also discourage parents from sleeping with their infants at all, saying babies are safer in their own cribs. Aauugghh!! These kinds of statements make me sick. It's amazing our race has survived for so long while parents and babies slept together... before we had the 'luxury' of cots! I believe there is a reason why it is also called 'cot death'. It annoys me so much because they don't seem to ever care about the real research done on co-sleeping and it's amazing effects such as mothers breathing regulating baby's breathing etc. It also annoys me how conveniently people seem to forget about immunisations and the effect on babies respiratory system. Jumping off my soapbox now. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
I did hear Liz speak at the ICM about how midwives coped with the change when birthing was removed from Byron. Surely if ever there would be a group of motivated consumers it would be in Byron, is MC active there??? Would be the perfect place for caseload midwifery. Wow, when did birthing get removed from Byron? Why? One great thing that is up north Di is the Natural Birth Education Research Institute in Lismore http://www.naturalbirth.org.au/index.html I believe too, that there are a couple of homebirth midwives up there. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Is anyone familiar with birthing services at Lismore? Is it woman centred, low intervention, midwife friendly care? Hi Di, I don't know what Lismore is like now, but after being transferred from Mullum ( which I found very interventionist with one midwife and very non with another, luck of the draw I guess), before my husband arrived, I was pinned to the bed during a contraction by a nurse and an Ob while he stuck his hand inside my vagina, while I screamed, N!!! It was an absolutely terrifying and traumatic experience. He then said, well, you'll just have to have a caeserean because you won't let me examine you. That was the start of a horrible time at Lismore, where I was 'not allowed' to have my daughter after the c section. I was then left in recovery for hours because noone was able to come and get me. Every time the nurses moved my bed, it flew down and eventually my mum noticed that at the end of the bed in BIG red letters it said, WARNING! THIS BED NEEDS TWO PEOPLE TO ADJUST IT , that was after two days of agony to my scar every time the bed was moved by ONE nurse. I was left ! for two hours holding my daughter ringing the buzzer as I couldn't move, and was given absolutely no advice or info regarding breastfeeding, recovery after a c section or any other kind of care or support. That is just a little of my experience at Lismore. I found the care and attitude of the staff appaulling. Maybe things have changed but not that I have heard of. If I thought it would get anywhere I would charge the Ob, I believe that was the first and only time in my life when I have been sexually abused. Not sure if any of that gives any info, but thought I'd share. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Northern Rivers
Hi Justine and everyone, I know I should complain, I tell all my clients to complain when things have been terrible. Until recently I found it very difficult to even think about what happened. I have had the forms to get my records for ages but am a little scared to read through them. I would like to know what the Ob had to say for himself. It is really hard to get anywhere with the HCCC from my experience. My sister had a terrible experience just over 18months ago, some may recall me posting, and she put in a complaint right away and pretty much she was told too bad, so sad. She is now claiming for damages and charging the hospital with some kind of entrapment, though it is all through a private lawyer and costing them heaps. All she really wants is an apology and some one to say they were wrong. A friend of mine was at a workshop on working with women that had been sexually abused. There was counsellors, nurses, psychologists, social workers etc etc there. She bought up the topic of sexual abuse during birth and most of them laughed saying that was impossible because it is what doctors and midwives need to do. Even the facilitator thought she was overreacting when she commented that for a lot of women the first time they are violated sexually is while they are birthing. I personally cannot see how it is any different just because it is a doctor or midwife. I will think more about pursuing the HCCC, but when I have mentioned it to my early childhood nurse ( just after it happened), my private Ob, the mental health team and my counsellor they all sort of dismissed it because the nurse and the Ob were 'professionals' just doing their job. Love Abby Can I suggest that unless women like you make complaints to the HCCC that these practices will remain and more women will feel violated from obstetric practice. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
Hi Katrina, You'll find all the relevant info at www.ezzo.info They are really bad news and advocate child abuse (by standards set out by DOCS) Love Abby Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is probaby a dumb question, but who are the Ezzo's??? Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] drs getting paid to vaccinate
I also choose to vaccinate my children and myself (working in the healthcare field) as I believe the benefit to the greater whole (community) outweighs any possible adverse reaction from the vaccination. I have made an informed choice and should the unthinkable happen I would in no way feel guilty for my choice. I suggest that each individual needs to know that they can accept the consequences of their own decisions either way. Regards Fiona Rumble I think it is important to remember that there have been many factors involved in dangerous diseases being irradicated, hygeine the main reason. There are many many people including health professionals that do not believe that vaccinations are the main reason that diseases have been wiped out, infact for a long time the only cases of polio in Australia were due to the live vaccine given ( yes, I know it is no longer given, just using an example). I don't think it is a true statement to say that vaccines are of benefit to the greater community, especially at the potential risk to a childs life. Love Abby - who was trying to stay out of this controversial topic..but.. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
I'm not aware of any other doula's specifically in that area. You can email me off list if you wish. Cheers Jo Hunter Hi Jo, Janet and everyone else, There is a lovely doula in the Hawkesbury area called Bonnie. I met her just the other day. I'll try and find her details. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday
Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is all about her as the breastfeeding expert! She is incredibly archaic in her beliefs and completely goes against WHO recommendations. She even has a schedule that mums can print out to use for breastfeeding their babies. I can't believe that anyone would even consider printing such rubbish these days. Goodluck Pinky, I really do hope you kickass. Well actually, I hope that you can talk some sense and compassion into that woman. Love Abby Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleepexpert. She's a former UK childcare worker who advocates strict routines for babies -you probably all know what I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a stoush a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday
Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is all about her as the breastfeeding expert! She is incredibly archaic in her beliefs and completely goes against WHO recommendations. She even has a schedule that mums can print out to use for breastfeeding their babies. I can't believe that anyone would even consider printing such rubbish these days. Goodluck Pinky, I really do hope you kickass. Well actually, I hope that you can talk some sense and compassion into that woman. Love Abby Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleepexpert. She's a former UK childcare worker who advocates strict routines for babies -you probably all know what I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a stoush a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] URGENT INFO NEEDED
Hi, Can anyone give me some info on what levels are high bilirubin levels in newborns? My sister's baby was tested and the hospital is saying he could get brain damage. His score was 300?? Not sure what that means. What are the dangers, are the tests necessary, is it normal in newbies, what is the best treatment, preferably natural and can the light treatment cause any problems? He is alert, eating well and has only lost 150g in 3 days since birth weight. Any answer asap would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
