Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Hi Debbie I have a doula friend from the UK that goes between there and the Dubai. If you want her details let me know and I'll pass them on. The doulas in the UK also had a request recently, and several other options came up. I can get those details too if you need them. From what I know, birthing women in Dubai need a lot of support. Home birth is illegal as janet says, but it still happens and theni its almost impossible to get a birth certifucate. Lisa (australiandoulas) - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
This resource was recommended for contacts, I had a quick look and it looks pretty good! http://www.expatmum.com/vbulletin/search.php?s=2fc049854f0ffb9f669d03361943831aaction=showresultssearchid=613271sortby=lastpostsortorder=descending - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...
I havnt been able to access birthlove for months. I miss it so much! I give all the the Doulas that attend my training , The Birth Partner by Penny Simkin, you can get some great deals for it on Amazon. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... Hi Tania, If she joins up with www.birthlove.com, it costs $29.95 I think, they offer a free online doula course. It is pretty good. They have a topic a month and you can also access the archives. Otherwise, tell her to jump on www.joyousbirth.info as she will find an abundance of great info there. Love Abby Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a friend who is not a midwife, and she has been asked to be the labour support person at a close friend's birth. She has birthed three times herself, twice at home, and is a lovely gentle, practical woman, who I'm sure will be perfect for the job. She feels that she'd like to have some kind of 'formal' training, even if it's just a workshop, and I'm wondering if there is anything like that available here in Australia. She'd be fine with something online or via correspondence, but doesn't really need to do the full doula course. I've suggested she attends some of the fine active birth workshops here in Adelaide that are run by the local yoga centres, and that appealed too. Any other ideas? Thanks Tania -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 6:47 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...
Do you know what happened to it Janet?? Tragic indeed, what a fantastic resource that was. Gloria would know, but she hasn't posted on here for ages has she? - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... Birthlove is gone gone gone. Utterly tragic. A lot of the same info is on Joyous Birth though and we're always eager for more. : ) - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... I havnt been able to access birthlove for months. I miss it so much! I give all the the Doulas that attend my training , The Birth Partner by Penny Simkin, you can get some great deals for it on Amazon. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... Hi Tania, If she joins up with www.birthlove.com, it costs $29.95 I think, they offer a free online doula course. It is pretty good. They have a topic a month and you can also access the archives. Otherwise, tell her to jump on www.joyousbirth.info as she will find an abundance of great info there. Love Abby Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a friend who is not a midwife, and she has been asked to be the labour support person at a close friend's birth. She has birthed three times herself, twice at home, and is a lovely gentle, practical woman, who I'm sure will be perfect for the job. She feels that she'd like to have some kind of 'formal' training, even if it's just a workshop, and I'm wondering if there is anything like that available here in Australia. She'd be fine with something online or via correspondence, but doesn't really need to do the full doula course. I've suggested she attends some of the fine active birth workshops here in Adelaide that are run by the local yoga centres, and that appealed too. Any other ideas? Thanks Tania -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 6:47 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Finding a birth pool
We sell them!! Great for rural areas too, because they dont take much water! www.simplybirth.com.au - Original Message - From: Katy O'Neill To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Finding a birth pool Dear all, I know we have covered this, however I have been back over the past year and can't find any references. A women approached me about where to find a suitable birthing pool. She has been told it should be a mtr deep and she has only found the kids ones of 750cm. It will also need to fit in her kitchen. We are in rural NSW. Does anyone have any info I can give to her. Katy. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 7/01/2007
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Thanks!!
Thanks for the suggestions, all very. helpful. I have now forwarded them to the woman and hopefully she will get some great pointers.She is starting with contacting the Australian commission, so seems intent!! She is also now considering "sponsoring" an experienced waterbirthing Australian midwife to help her get her dream birth. Any more suggestions?? Lisaxx - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Thanks Di, She has now decided this is the best option. So...how can she go about finding a midwife that can help her??? Its exactly the sort of thing I'd love to do, if I was a midwife! Would it be ok to post her email address in case any was interested? And thanks Sharon, I didnt get yourpost the first time, so was good to read and I will pass it on to her. Lisaxx - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Why not have some midwives go to Malaysia for a homebirth for her? She could have her local hospital for backup and not have to remove herself from her family and friends. It may even be more affordable, anyone up for a months holiday in Malaysia? Di - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006
[ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to clarify myself!! Coles Baby
Makes sense though, the fact that all 3 of us interviewd wanted a home birth with NO doctors...perhaps its not the message they were quite willing to convey. Just glad it was your quote Kelly and not mine X lol - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] I need to clarify myself!! Coles Baby A I thought it was a bit weird how they worded it they added to my comments . and a doctor if needed - why on earth would I say that! Its a lot to have made a mistake over so I have no doubt you are right. Very frustrating when you are trying to get across a positive, confident image of birth. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:44 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to clarify myself!! Coles Baby Hi Kelly, If I have answered this already please ignore. I was the editor of Coles Baby magazine for 4 years, from its beginning. I would not blame the journalist's hearing. It is far more likely that the copy was edited to doctor from doula as the magazine content is closely monitored by the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne and very much toes the orthodox line - the idea of a doula and no doctor being presentis unlikely to be acceptable. Best wishes, Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I need to clarify myself!! Coles Baby In the Coles Baby mag this edition I was interviewed along with Lisa Chalmers from Australian Doulas. I do not have my copy yet but I have been told I said I would be having a home waterbirth next time in the company of a doctor!!! I actually told the journo a private midwife and DOULA one can only assume she thought I said doctor instead of Doula kinda sounds the same. Always the way with words in print . Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 30/08/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
Me please!! Am in the middle of training doulas and was trying to explain to them what it looks like.. Thankyou!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Sure. Just don't look at my butt ;) There are no attachments allowed on this mailing list, am I right? I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it. :) Jo On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote: Can we see it? Megan - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Two words: PURPLE LINE I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!) :) Jo On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote: Just to add to this... There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs and midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way to ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised healthy women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence showing that doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to hospital (then 4-6 hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are able to assess progress in different ways (all of which have been poo-pooed by the medicos)...so...am needing the help of all you wonderfully wise women out there. Thanks in advance. Sally - Original Message - From: Sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when to do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital setting. And what evidence they base their practice on. Thanks in advance. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Article on ultrasounds from Uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nultra08.xml Elbert Hubbard: "The object of teaching a child is to enable him to get along without a teacher."
[ozmidwifery] Concerns over heart rate
Hope that someone can help me out here please. One of my friends is 35 weeks, with her 3rd baby. 2 weeks ago, the hospital was concerned about her baby being too big, last week they told her that her dates were out and that she is infact 2 weeks ahead of her dates. Then yesterday, she was getting very regular Braxton hicks and went into hospital for a check over. (She is the kind of mum that wants an epidural as soon as possible) Firstly, she feels the baby is great, she feels healthy and feels the baby is well. The monitor, last night showed a constant heart rate of 140. That was for an hour. The Dr came round and told her she would be delivering that night. A midwife then did an internal and said that the cervix was soft, but no concerns, so would be able to go home(can you see how the confusion starts) They returned today for a repeat monitor, and stayed on for2 hours, and as the baby moved around, the rate remained steady at 140. (No Braxton Hicks today) A sonographer was called in, scanned her, told her she was def at 35 weeks and that the baby was well, but would only give the baby marks 8 of 10, because they expect to see the heart rate change as the baby moves. Sorry this is long winded, she has been asked to go back in tomorrow for more monitoring and to see the registrars. She doesn't know if its a genuine concern, she doesn't know if her baby is abnormal (which is what she thinks she is being told) or if the hospital are just being overcautious. Any ideas?? On behalf of a very stressed mummy. Lisax Elbert Hubbard: "The object of teaching a child is to enable him to get along without a teacher."
[ozmidwifery] Tragic story
I just found this on the BBC website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4782576.stm Quite shocking to read. Lisax
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
Its funny how they still havnt answered your question though Kelly! Lisa...cheering very loudly for you, from Perth! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED
Re: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing
-- A few of us in Perth have been accepted as associate members of Birth Companions in the Uk, they work specifically with pregnant and labouring women prisoners, have a fantastic system set up, that enables all women to have a doula if they so choose. We are hoping to approach the women’s prison here, see if they could make use of our voluntary service. Hopefully be able to provide childbirth education and breastfeeding support too, Well, thats the plan!! Regards Lisaessage - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Hi Amy, The women who birth at our hospital from the local minimum security prison are not guarded. They are visited once a day, and have to sign a form. Some of them love being in hospital, because it is a more normal environment for their children to visit. Some will try to stay longer for this reason. I find the whole thing heartbreaking. They can keep children with them up until age four. They are usually housed with other women who have children in the prison. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of adamnamySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:22 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] prison birthing Do any of you midwives out there know how birth happens for pregnant women in Australian prisons? Are they transferred to hospital or are they required to stay in the prison health service. I have been reading an Amnesty report of the abuses of pregnant and laboring women in the US (it is available through Sheila Kitzinger’s website for anyone who is interested). I am keen to know what similarities exist for Australian women. I thought fetal monitoring and a drip was bad enough-try giving birth being chained to a bed-not knowing how long you can cuddle your baby for before she is removed! That breaks my heart. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:10 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] yoga video hi everyone funny photo attached that shows what happens if your baby doesnt get enough food ! i found this while looking for photos for an infant nutrition seminar im doing for uni next week. does anyone still have that short movie of the yoga mum where the baby crawls up and has a feed while shes upside down?? id love to include that :) if anyone has it they can send it direct to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks emily Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 7/02/2006
[ozmidwifery] On behalf of Rochelle, Perth
Lisa Thank you for posting my email and thank you to all who replied re. health insurers, your information has been a great help. Cheers Rochelle - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Anaemia remedies At booking I give women a list of iron and calcium rich foods which has the contained number of mg per serve and the daily dietary intake necessary and ask them to work out ensure they are getting enough. If they find they arent then we discuss ways of increasing this. Most women can increase their intake sufficiently once they are aware of the higher sources and the ways in which absorption can be increased such as taking sources of vit c at the same time and having plant and animal sources together such as spinach and meat.Parsley Pineapple juice is simple and I am sure women would have to have more than one glass a day for the uric acid build up to be a problem if her kidney function is normal. Also juice bars have shot sized serves of grasses which are also good. Some women prefer liquid iron called ferro force which can be bought from health food shops or naturopaths. We tend to focus on iron but if women's iron stores are low I would suspect that her stores of other vital minerals such as magnesium and zinc are also low and this is where multi vitamins can be of value.AndreaOn 12/01/2006, at 10:40 AM, Helen and Graham wrote: We are having a discussion about remedies for anaemia in pregnancy at work at the moment. One of the midwives has been recommending parsley and pineapple juice but one of the doctors is saying it causes a build up of uric acid?!I recall hearing about floradix being recommended by some midwives and Elevit by others.Apart from FGF, I would be interested in what people are recommending in their practices.ThanksHelen No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 10/01/2006
[ozmidwifery] On behalf of Rochelle . Perth
Hello, I seem to remember that poeple on this list have done the ground work in regards to health funds covering homebirths and private midwifery services. Does anyone know of one that covers these services andif sohow much do they cover? Alternatively has anyone had any luck negotiating with their current provider for this type of cover. (I am with medibank private)I am not pregnant but as I am sure waiting periods apply Iam tryingto keep my options open. Cheers Rochelle.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour
Hi Jo, I totally agree with you. Sorry for not making it clearer. My 3 kids plus many women I have supported think its normal to NOT cut the cord. As a product of our experiences, I think yellowing of babes is misread as Jaundice or percieved as a problem.. Only my observation. :Lisa - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour lisa chalmers wrote: Nearly everyone I know that did not cut the cord, had babies that developed Jaundice. Nothing serious just yellowing. I thought 85% of babies had jaundice to some degree anyway? Surely it's normal *not* to cut the cord ASAP after birth? Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour
My experience of this, is that if the cords are not cut until they have finished pulsing, babies seem to develop jaundice for longer..(that the usual standards) . That makes complete sense to me, since they get more blood than babes that had cords clamped and cut quickley. I'm sure I read somewhere that babies are deprived of as much as 25% of their blood volume by cutting the cord. Nearly everyone I know that did not cut the cord, had babies that developed Jaundice. Nothing serious just yellowing. - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour There are many reasons that influence whether a baby gets jaundiced or not Two of these are 1. prematurity ( of the liver as well as dates, some babies livers take ages to be efficient enough to clear the jaundice. 2. Not passing mec soon after birth. The longer the mec stays inside the more bilirubin is reabsorbed increasing the workload of the immature system. This is usually influenced by how quickly the baby is able to feed. The thing about synt is that it is often used to augment labour in a woman who has been labouring for hours or to induce labour in a woman who is not yet ready to go into labour and the result is a tired mother and baby who often dont come together well to feed without good assistance. This is often not forthcoming in the hurry to get things cleaned up, the move to the postnatal ward and paper work to be done. Ask your friend and she will probably not have seen jaundice in a woman who has had synt but had a quick labour. Most women who birth in hospitals have synt in some form or other for 3rd stage and the level of jaundice in some settings is very low. I would suggest it may be in direct relationship to the length of time until feeding is established. I think the whole reason synt is being used is the concern rather than blaming the synt for jaundice alone. Andrea Q On 06/10/2005, at 2:03 AM, Belinda wrote: I have a friend who has been a ipm for many years and she believes that babies are more likely to get jaundiced when the mother has had synto, it makes sense of they get that extra unneccessary boost of blood. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Me too please, If I could hand it out to the doulas that I train..,I think we could reach quite a few mums! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Alan Linda Trewern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi Pinky, I would like to receive your handouts also at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Linda - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Thanks too kelly I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby section) I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who would like them to print out for parents - Give me some respect (also on my site but handout is properly designed) and 15 Ways to Help your baby sleep (basic tips) plus 15 Ways to Calm the Crying. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
In the Uk, we have Gina Ford. Also a very popular book, and as a mother, doula and breastfeeding counsellor myself, her views leave an awful lot to be desired. Her books are purely anecdotal and contain not a shred of evidence. I know many mums that have collapsed into an exhausted heap trying to follow the fanatical time routines. It can take weeks to repair the damage. Why can't we just encourage mums to trust themselves, rather than reach for the latest faddish book. I have heard of the ezzo's toosounds very similar to GF! - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer
Re: [ozmidwifery] Routine collection and testing of cord blood
As a doula, I always try to inform parents of the benefits of not cutting the cord until it has stopped pulsing. I have had 3 babies, and none of them had their cords cut until I was ready. I have attended a birth were the mum wanted the cord blood to be saved and stored...some sort of cryogenics type thing, but I was wondering if this procedure that you are discussing has any impact on not cutting the cord. How and when is it taken?? What happens if a mum wants a lotus birth?? Very interested. Lisax - Original Message - From: Megan Woodman-Browning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Routine collection and testing of cord blood Hi Sue, Can I please just confirm your e-mail - At your place of work you do a CRP on all babies who have had Mec.Liquor at birth, where there has been PROM, GBS+ve mothers, unbooked clients and mothers with a fever during labour? And you do this in the first 24hrs- 48 hours foll. birth? I am not being rude here but do you think a CRP is really necessary? What ever happened to observation of the baby before jumping into a medical procedure? Looking forward to hearing your reply Megan - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Routine collection and testing of cord blood I agree, what a waste of time and money as well as your other concerns. We collect a small ammount of cord blood at each birth. The reason given is so that we have some of baby's blood if s/he should develop any infection or extreme jaundice, that it might be tested. It is discarded after a few days. I have never actually known of this being used, but I may be wrong. Cord blood is taken for Rh-v as well but we do not bleed the babies - surely that is not necessary. We don't do routine cord blood cultures as part of infection screens anymore, but the babies usually have CRP on day 1 2. Mec liquor, PROM, GBS, unbooked clientsand maternal fever are the ones who have routine infection screen Cord blood collection via private agencies is coming in fast and I for one, find this worrying. Some hospitals routinely clamp and cut a section of cord asap to check the Ph level. Sounds like this needs to be challenged Good luck, Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Routine collection and testing of cord blood I have another question, this time regarding the routine collection of cord blood. In previous places I have worked, we only collected it for RH negative women or those with no antenatal blood results available. Even if the woman was RPR positive, the doctors would still bleed the baby to get a more accurate result instead of relying on the results of the cord blood. There were no other indications for collecting it. At the place I now work, we are still collecting it on every patient and they are all being tested for group and coombs etc. This seems a total waste of time and money to me as well as an unnecessary occupational safety risk to staff. The only otherreason I see to justifycollecting it would be ifit could be used in a cord blood bank? Does anyone know if this is the case? Looking forward to some more advice Helen Cahill No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 22/08/2005
[ozmidwifery] On the subject of vaccination
If anyone is interested, there is a student in Newcastle looking for non vaccinating parents as part of her research for her honours degree. i did it, it was really interesting. I have copied and pasted her details below. Best wishes, Lisa Chalmers CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS YOUR EXPERIENCES AS A NON-VACCINATING PARENT Would you be interested in participating in a study exploring the opinions and experiences of Australian parents who choose not to vaccinate their child/children? Your participation in this study will involve completing an email interview that will ask questions regarding your decision not to vaccinate as well your experiences since making this decision. This research is being conducted by Natacha Hes and forms a part of her Honours degree in Sociology under the supervision of Dr Deborah Stevenson in the School of Social Sciences at the University of Newcastle. We are seeking parents over the age of 18 who have made the choice not to vaccinate their child/children with any vaccinations (This does not include the Vitamin K injection given at birth). If you are interested in finding out more, we ask that you set up an email account that does not identify your name or address. This is to ensure that your privacy and anonymity are maintained for the duration of the project. To do this, go to Hotmail (www.hotmail.com), create a code name and devise a pin number. This email address will be the way in which we correspond. Using this non-identifying email address, please contact the researcher via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be forwarded an Information Statement that details the project. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought
Oh Tania, your post bought tears to my eyes. My 3rd babe was a water birth..as were my others. I had a very private labour, no VEs etc. When the moment of bith came..(a feeling of great physical relief with my first 2 girls.. after the head, you understand) This little one, her head with the first contraction, shoulders, torso..then nothingseemed like HOURS to me.it was horrendous, I could feel her wriggling and kicking, then when the next contraction finally arrived, she shot out. When I finally found her in the water, she had a red ring around her waist, a bit like a belt, where she had hung around half in half out. I have great births, but those minutes, where the longest of my life... Lisax - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] just a thought This has got me thinking...my first son was born in water, and his head was born 7 minutes before the rest of his body followed. We have excellent video of his birth, it was broad daylight, and his colour was great for the whole time. I'm not sure if my midwife was worried at the time, if she was, she sure didn't show it! Admittedly he was a bit of a tight fit, at 4.5 kgs, but I'm so glad she didn't try and force him out sooner, or those very broad shoulders just might have become wedged, knowing what I do now... I've since been at lots of water births, and seeing a baby's head, pink or purple doesn't worry me too much, it's the white ones that scare me. Thankfully only one of those so far...but it's not uncommon I think for there to be that break when the head is born. Is this something that is more specific to birth in water does everyone think? I too remember like Sally, thinking, ahhh, that was hard work, The land births I've been at have all been much more of a fluid motion, baby crowns and rest of body follows more quickly. The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to birth the buttocks and legs. Anyone else see this much? Sorry for the ramblings, just got me thinking about all that stuff... Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool suitable for use in a small unit
Any idea about the budget?? I gave birth in a fantastic birth pool in the uk, and have been in contact with the designer of the pool since seeing what is available in Australia. They are able to provide and ship, let me know if you want the details and I will dig them out, Best wishes, Lisa - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool suitable for use in a small unit Dear All Just wondering if anyone knows about a semi-permanent type birth pool suitable for use in a small birth unit (220 births per year). There is the opportunity for corporate sponsorship to get this happening so we sort of need something more than a kids wading pool. Any ideas? JC xx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1100 (20050518) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Hello everyone. I'm fairly new to Australia, (from the Uk) but have been an avid follower of this site for some time now. And, by way of an introduction..and as a first post I feel compelled to ask about this vaccineby my nature, I havnt vaccinated my kids...but as far as this particular vaccine is concernedwhy is it given routinely?? I ask, because I thought that hep B was passed on by blood and sex..(to be crude)...what infant is genuinely at risk of this?? If a baby has a reaction like this...(hope she is ok!!) does that mean she is contraindicated for future vaccines?? Many thanks, lisa Perth - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmid ; Maternity Coalition Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi All, Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it. Nicole Carver.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Thats really interesting Nicole, thankyou! Coming from the uk, I know my case,,and can state it..but being here I have found a high uptake off vaccinations amongst babies and children..and have already had to sign all sorts to get my children into school. I do believe in parents making informed decisions..but often found the info available is biased..(in both directions!) As a midwife...if your beliefs were suchcould you refuse to vaccinate babies? And to clarify for me... if a mother is not carrying hep B...how would a baby contact it?Through a blood transfusion? Do you have to report reactions like that? Hope you dont mind me asking,.. lisax - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Lisa, Welcome to Australia! Hepatitis B vaccine has been given routinely at birth now for maybe five years. One of the most common causes of Hepatitis B is contracting it from your mother at birth, if she is a carrier.I believe the practice of Hep B vaccination at birth came aboutbecause there were cases of babies of known Hep B carriers who did not receive immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth, also because the conversion to Hep B carrier status is very high if you contract the disease in infancy. When universal hep B administration came in, most midwives were not happy, but it was still introduced. The doctors order it andthe parents are given an information sheet to read, which I believe does not give the whole picture (including that if the birth dose is not given, the baby still gets a full course by having Hep B vax at 2,4, and 12 months of age). Parents sign a consent form, and then the vaccine is given if they wish to proceed. I like to give the parents the risk factors for contracting Hep B, and the information about the normal immunisation schedule, and let them decide. All the women have their Hep B and Cstatus checked antenatally, and are likely to know if they are a carrier. Many ask what the majority of parents do and are guided by that. Most parents at this stage are going ahead with it. While I can't prove that the incident I experienced tonight was caused by the vaccine, it only occured at the most 10 minutes after the vaccine. I don't know if the baby is contraindicated for further vaccines, but would be very careful. It probably should be done at the Royal Childrens Hospital where they have a specialised clinic for babies who have had vaccine reactions.I am not sure how I will be able to give the vaccine to another baby after that experience. Kind regards, Nicole. - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hello everyone. I'm fairly new to Australia, (from the Uk) but have been an avid follower of this site for some time now. And, by way of an introduction..and as a first post I feel compelled to ask about this vaccineby my nature, I havnt vaccinated my kids...but as far as this particular vaccine is concernedwhy is it given routinely?? I ask, because I thought that hep B was passed on by blood and sex..(to be crude)...what infant is genuinely at risk of this?? If a baby has a reaction like this...(hope she is ok!!) does that mean she is contraindicated for future vaccines?? Many thanks, lisa Perth - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmid ; Maternity Coalition Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi All, Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it. Nicole Carver.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Thanks Nicole.. How is the baby doing?? I hope the parents are ok too. From my own experiencemuch fussis made of those of us that dont vaccinate...but littleis made of adverse reactions ..or even if vaccinated kids then go on to develop the disease that theyare "protected" from. I was involved in a so called epidemic of measles 2 years ago. All of the kids unvaccinated were reported when they got measles..none of those that were vaccinated were. Its scandelous. Figureswere definately tweaked. It must be really toughfor you hope it goes well with your manager on monday. Could you offer to help rewrite the info given? I had a peek at the site in SA earlier and that looked great! Good luck, lisax - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Lisa, I don't believe the baby was at risk of catching Hepatitis B. Which means it will be absolutely tragic if the side effects are long reaching. I don't believe I would be forced to give a vaccine if I didn't want to do it. I would probably be able to ask a colleague to do it if I was unable to do it. However, I have to think about this. I will be seeing the manager on Monday, as I am not happy with the level of information parents receive, and we do know the carrier status of all the mothers. I do know though that the government monitors compliance of maternity units with giving Hep B vac, and it could attract unwelcome attention if the rate of vaccination goes down in our unit. This is not a reason not to do it, but may have implications. There is an adverse reactions register for vaccination, which I have mentioned to the medical staff caring for the baby. Nicole. - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Thats really interesting Nicole, thankyou! Coming from the uk, I know my case,,and can state it..but being here I have found a high uptake off vaccinations amongst babies and children..and have already had to sign all sorts to get my children into school. I do believe in parents making informed decisions..but often found the info available is biased..(in both directions!) As a midwife...if your beliefs were suchcould you refuse to vaccinate babies? And to clarify for me... if a mother is not carrying hep B...how would a baby contact it?Through a blood transfusion? Do you have to report reactions like that? Hope you dont mind me asking,.. lisax - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Lisa, Welcome to Australia! Hepatitis B vaccine has been given routinely at birth now for maybe five years. One of the most common causes of Hepatitis B is contracting it from your mother at birth, if she is a carrier.I believe the practice of Hep B vaccination at birth came aboutbecause there were cases of babies of known Hep B carriers who did not receive immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth, also because the conversion to Hep B carrier status is very high if you contract the disease in infancy. When universal hep B administration came in, most midwives were not happy, but it was still introduced. The doctors order it andthe parents are given an information sheet to read, which I believe does not give the whole picture (including that if the birth dose is not given, the baby still gets a full course by having Hep B vax at 2,4, and 12 months of age). Parents sign a consent form, and then the vaccine is given if they wish to proceed. I like to give the parents the risk factors for contracting Hep B, and the information about the normal immunisation schedule, and let them decide. All the women have their Hep B and Cstatus checked antenatally, and are likely to know if they are a carrier. Many ask what the majority of parents do and are guided by that. Most parents at this stage are going ahead with it. While I can't prove that the incident I experienced tonight was caused by the vaccine, it only occured at the most 10 minutes after the vaccine. I don't know if the baby is contraindicated for further vaccines, but would be very careful. It probably should be done at the Royal Childrens Hospital where they have a specialised clinic for babies who have had vaccine reac
