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hi Alesa - just saw this -I did a toddler workshop at the weekend so didnt have my normal "catch up" time. I have heard your MBU doesn't do controlled crying - at least a mum who came to my massage class told me that -she was given a flier while in there -thanks. I can offer classes to mums of twins as I am working with Dial a Doula- they want the doula trainees to do my classes so I have said they can come at no charge if they will help mums. In starting with a mum of twins in my next Hawthorn class - probably cant fit too many extra people in the rooms there as they are quite cozy but I feel good to be able to share this support. Pinky - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Go Pinky:) Alesa - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky
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good on you Pinky such a shame I was in transit, take care Judy Giesaitis -Original Message-
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I nearly forgot and only got the last couple of minutes where you were talking about how babies might actually have something wrong when they cry. Came across well Pinky. Well done. If you have converted only one or two people you have still done a good and positive job. Cheers JudyPinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tizzie bailed out at teh last minute apparently so they went ahead with a discussion on sleep - played pics of screaming babies in cots with parents standing by. As they were doing this TRacy came into my ear plug (Being in Melb studio I was in a large empty room with equipment/Bright lights in my eyes and one technician) She said we are going to go straight to how to make babies sleep -I mentioned something about parents feeling very confused and worried about spoiling babies - she said -= or neglecting them (which I took to mean she thopught letting bubs cry was ok) then the segment was on. My 15 tips were across the screen during the interview - I had sent these earlier in hope that there could be an opportunity for a facts sheet on their website - they were going to impose mine and Tizzies sites while we spoke (but no website went on screen so a bit of a waste for follow up). I couldnt see these to comment (remind myself) as the tech switched off the monitor. I mentioned a few practical things andthat infants dont sleep like adults etc - it seemed very short but I quickly figured well - all those who cosleep wont relate to the screaming bubs so I may as well point out that there could actually be REASONS for babies to be so distressed. And I said that controlled crying wasnt an option as it gave the message not to reach out when babies need help. my brain has rattled all day how I could have done better but any impression that gentle options are best is a start. I have had good feedback but I guess people didnt know whathad been planned initially. All comments welcome Pinky - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday GRRR I can't believe I forgot to watch! What happened?? Jo Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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GRRR I can't believe I forgot to watch! What happened?? Jo
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Tizzie bailed out at teh last minute apparently so they went ahead with a discussion on sleep - played pics of screaming babies in cots with parents standing by. As they were doing this TRacy came into my ear plug (Being in Melb studio I was in a large empty room with equipment/Bright lights in my eyes and one technician) She said we are going to go straight to how to make babies sleep -I mentioned something about parents feeling very confused and worried about spoiling babies - she said -= or neglecting them (which I took to mean she thopught letting bubs cry was ok) then the segment was on. My 15 tips were across the screen during the interview - I had sent these earlier in hope that there could be an opportunity for a facts sheet on their website - they were going to impose mine and Tizzies sites while we spoke (but no website went on screen so a bit of a waste for follow up). I couldnt see these to comment (remind myself) as the tech switched off the monitor. I mentioned a few practical things andthat infants dont sleep like adults etc - it seemed very short but I quickly figured well - all those who cosleep wont relate to the screaming bubs so I may as well point out that there could actually be REASONS for babies to be so distressed. And I said that controlled crying wasnt an option as it gave the message not to reach out when babies need help. my brain has rattled all day how I could have done better but any impression that gentle options are best is a start. I have had good feedback but I guess people didnt know whathad been planned initially. All comments welcome Pinky - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday GRRR I can't believe I forgot to watch! What happened?? Jo
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Thank goodness they asked YOU to challenge this woman advocatingsuch awful ideas. I remember first seeing you on ACA a long while ago... where you were challenging controlled (er..'cruel') crying. I e-mailed you immediately - as you spoke from my heart. Babies everywhere are SO lucky to have you as their very vocal advocate!!! x x x x x Go Pinky!!! Nicole -- Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky
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hi Nicole - Thanks for your support. It loosk like
I may end up against somebody else. I actually had a phone conversation
with Tizzie today (she requested it by email) - her bark isnt near as bad as the
bite we have seen in Practical Parenting. She actually says she supports
much of what I say, she would never "routine" a bub under 8 weeks BUT -
does believe in routines for bubs over 8 weeks and makes a packet selling her
routines and articles from her website. I certainly don't agree with a lot of
what I have read orthat if mothers feed 4 hourly - (the same time
every day) they will make enough milk for their babies - ie their bubs will get
a better feed than if they feed every 2 hours . I actually pointed out
that I dont believe mums should need to know what is a hunger cry - crying is a
late hunger cue and got an agreement on that - BUT -she says, its easier
to teach stressed mums to do a routine than to teach them baby cues and they
have nobody to learn that from. She seems to be very into the type of cry. She
does have some commonsense ideas and thinks co-sleeping is a good option, but I
wish she would stick to these rather than pushing stuff like the "deep end"
approach etc that you would have read -this is her reaction to controlled crying
and she says babies are only left while they are "tantrumming" not if they are
upset and crying -its still somthing I couldnt do but I am happy to listen to
anyone who will listen to me - I think its really the only way we can meet and
perhaps change some things for babies -I feel the whole problem boils down to a
total lack of support for mothering.
Tizzie has a PR person working for her (I feel like
atotal amateur in comparison, at least in that regard -I have had kids tho
-she hasn't!) . She is concerned how she will be portrayed/ who they will make
the "baddie" -ie they could be trying to recreate the Penelope Leach/ Gina Ford
stoush (Im certainly no Gina Ford!! and am in total awe of Penelope)and
also how this will confuse mothers. Her intentions sound good but I am not sure
what to make of all this and havent had any news of the show being canned
because she told me she was planning to "withdraw"- I am happy to go a
round or two with anyone who does babytraining whoever it is and there are lots
of horrific stories out there. If we can give "evidence" for our stance mothers
are big enough to make responsible choices and babytraining isnt evidence
based.
pinky
- Original Message -
From:
Nicole Christensen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show
on Monday
Thank goodness they asked YOU to challenge this
woman advocatingsuch awful ideas.
I remember first seeing you on ACA a long while
ago... where you were challenging controlled (er..'cruel') crying. I
e-mailed you immediately - as you spoke from my heart.
Babies everywhere are SO lucky to have you as
their very vocal advocate!!! x x x x x
Go Pinky!!!
Nicole
-- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on
Monday
Hi all,
I will be on the Today Show on Monday at
8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK
childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you
probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked
me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina
Ford!
Pinky
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She hasn't had kids
She's definately the amateur Pinky, some things you just
have to experience in order to be an expert on it!
Jo
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky
McKaySent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:08 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today
show on Monday
hi Nicole - Thanks for your support. It loosk like
I may end up against somebody else. I actually had a phone conversation
with Tizzie today (she requested it by email) - her bark isnt near as bad as the
bite we have seen in Practical Parenting. She actually says she supports
much of what I say, she would never "routine" a bub under 8 weeks BUT -
does believe in routines for bubs over 8 weeks and makes a packet selling her
routines and articles from her website. I certainly don't agree with a lot of
what I have read orthat if mothers feed 4 hourly - (the same time
every day) they will make enough milk for their babies - ie their bubs will get
a better feed than if they feed every 2 hours . I actually pointed out
that I dont believe mums should need to know what is a hunger cry - crying is a
late hunger cue and got an agreement on that - BUT -she says, its easier
to teach stressed mums to do a routine than to teach them baby cues and they
have nobody to learn that from. She seems to be very into the type of cry. She
does have some commonsense ideas and thinks co-sleeping is a good option, but I
wish she would stick to these rather than pushing stuff like the "deep end"
approach etc that you would have read -this is her reaction to controlled crying
and she says babies are only left while they are "tantrumming" not if they are
upset and crying -its still somthing I couldnt do but I am happy to listen to
anyone who will listen to me - I think its really the only way we can meet and
perhaps change some things for babies -I feel the whole problem boils down to a
total lack of support for mothering.
Tizzie has a PR person working for her (I feel like
atotal amateur in comparison, at least in that regard -I have had kids tho
-she hasn't!) . She is concerned how she will be portrayed/ who they will make
the "baddie" -ie they could be trying to recreate the Penelope Leach/ Gina Ford
stoush (Im certainly no Gina Ford!! and am in total awe of Penelope)and
also how this will confuse mothers. Her intentions sound good but I am not sure
what to make of all this and havent had any news of the show being canned
because she told me she was planning to "withdraw"- I am happy to go a
round or two with anyone who does babytraining whoever it is and there are lots
of horrific stories out there. If we can give "evidence" for our stance mothers
are big enough to make responsible choices and babytraining isnt evidence
based.
pinky
- Original Message -
From:
Nicole Christensen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show
on Monday
Thank goodness they asked YOU to challenge this
woman advocatingsuch awful ideas.
I remember first seeing you on ACA a long while
ago... where you were challenging controlled (er..'cruel') crying. I
e-mailed you immediately - as you spoke from my heart.
Babies everywhere are SO lucky to have you as
their very vocal advocate!!! x x x x x
Go Pinky!!!
Nicole
-- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on
Monday
Hi all,
I will be on the Today Show on Monday at
8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK
childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you
probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked
me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina
Ford!
Pinky
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Great article Pinky! Well done! Melinda WhymanNATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNEwww.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Hi Abby - I have been feeling supicious this am about the motives behind the call yesterday - sounds like we may have similar instincts! I have heard nothing from the producer so maybe I was being "softened up" - I didnt really stop and think about it as i was rushing round yesterday,but had planned to act a bit "dumb" anyway and notgive away any "evidence" so she wont actually know what I will argue if we do go at it. There was a good article in the Brisbane Courier Mail yesterday with the "evidence' included. http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9559318%255E10369,00.html Im off to do a toddler workshop this am. This gentle stuff needs support at all levels. Pinky - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday actually says she supports much of what I say, she would never "routine" a bub under 8 weeks BUT - does believe in routines for bubs over 8 weeks and makes a packet selling her routines and articles from her website. Ahh another money making scheme for mothers that helps them to not believe in their own abilities as a parent. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what I have read orthat if mothers feed 4 hourly - (the same time every day) they will make enough milk for their babies - ie their bubs will get a better feed than if they feed every 2 hours . Hmmm, love to see her evidence for this. I actually pointed out that I dont believe mums should need to know what is a hunger cry - crying is a late hunger cue and got an agreement on that - BUT -she says, its easier to teach stressed mums to do a routine than to teach them baby cues and they have nobody to learn that from. She seems to be very into the type of cry. So, how does a woman who has never had children know even one childs cries? I find this very strange. All babes are so different and as you said Pinky, crying is the last sign of hunger, not the first. She does have some commonsense ideas and thinks co-sleeping is a good option, but I wish she would stick to these rather than pushing stuff like the "deep end" approach etc that you would have read -this is her reaction to controlled crying and she says babies are only left while they are "tantrumming" not if they are upset and crying - A baby "tantrumming"?? Babies cry for a reason and who likes to be left alone when they feel the need to "tantrum" if that's what she likes to call it. Tizzie has a PR person working for her (I feel like atotal amateur in comparison, at least in that regard -I have had kids tho -she hasn't!) . Speaks for itself really, no kids=amateur in parenting. She is concerned how she will be portrayed/ who they will make the "baddie" -ie they could be trying to recreate the Penelope Leach/ Gina Ford stoush (Im certainly no Gina Ford!! and am in total awe of Penelope)and also how this will confuse mothers. I would be worried to if I was her, but in reality, the media usually loves the person with the answer to the "problems" babies cause. I think her ridiculous ideas she gets printed are far more confusing than a debate would be. Gosh most things she writes goes against a mothers heart. Her intentions sound good but I am not sure what to make of all this and havent had any news of the show being canned because she told me she was planning to "withdraw"- I am happy to go a round or two with anyone who does babytraining whoever it is and there are lots of horrific stories out there. If we can give "evidence" for our stance mothers are big enough to make responsible choices and babytraining isnt evidence based. pinky Maybe the whole phone convo was a bit of a scare tactic, like you would hopefully say that you didn't want to do it and then Tizzie wouldn't be the one pulling out. Ihopethe showdoes go ahead Pinky. I am sure that so many of the
[ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday
Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky
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Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is all about her as the breastfeeding expert! She is incredibly archaic in her beliefs and completely goes against WHO recommendations. She even has a schedule that mums can print out to use for breastfeeding their babies. I can't believe that anyone would even consider printing such rubbish these days. Goodluck Pinky, I really do hope you kickass. Well actually, I hope that you can talk some sense and compassion into that woman. Love Abby Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleepexpert. She's a former UK childcare worker who advocates strict routines for babies -you probably all know what I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a stoush a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is all about her as the breastfeeding expert! She is incredibly archaic in her beliefs and completely goes against WHO recommendations. She even has a schedule that mums can print out to use for breastfeeding their babies. I can't believe that anyone would even consider printing such rubbish these days. Goodluck Pinky, I really do hope you kickass. Well actually, I hope that you can talk some sense and compassion into that woman. Love Abby Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleepexpert. She's a former UK childcare worker who advocates strict routines for babies -you probably all know what I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a stoush a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Oopps! Sorry for the double post, I'm not quite sure what happened there. Love Abby - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery @ acegraphics . com . au [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Go Pinky:) Alesa - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK childcare worker whoadvocates strict routinesfor babies -you probably all knowwhat I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford! Pinky
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Much appreciated anyway! Thanks for your support pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Oopps! Sorry for the double post, I'm not quite sure what happened there. Love Abby - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery @ acegraphics . com . au [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Go Pinky! Go Pinky! I am so excited that you will be debating with her. That woman makes my blood boil! Not only is she the Practical Parenting sleep expert but her latest article is -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
