RE: Enumerating children of a type

[Carl . Scarlett]

Yep; same here.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2012 6:25 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Enumerating children of a type

 

Quite common to use an extension method similar to the one shown on this
thread... 

 

http://forums.silverlight.net/t/106379.aspx 

 

We use something very close to it on the project where I am. 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

I find I'm often enumerating down the visual tree looking for child
controls of a certain type. Is there an elegant and reliable way of
coding this that people prefer? -- Greg


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RE: Complex region selection

[Carl . Scarlett]

I remember way back in SQL Server 2008 they introduced geospacial data
and queries that may make this sort of stuff easy.  There were a few
demos floating around on how to interact with this sort of data, which
I'm sure you could google up without much effort.  Unfortunately I
haven't had the joy of playing with it myself, so that's as far as I can
take you.

 

Of course, it would introduce a dependence on SQL Server to provide all
the grunt, which may not be acceptable for your solution.


Carl.

 

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From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2012 9:28 AM
To: "'ozSilverlight'" 
Subject: Complex region selection

 

Folks, coming soon in our app is the need for a "map region selector"
where you click on states of America or European counties for example. 

 

I see the problem broken into a few pieces: * defining the complex
regions and hoping that there are public sets of coordinates that define
famous boundaries like countries and states * zooming around the map to
select small regions (like Luxembourg) * hit testing and pleasing
animations on mouse over and click.

 

If anyone has been through this exercise before then I'm keen to hear
advice. I'm hoping that I won't have to do everything manually from
first principles with raw code and drawing primitives.

 

Cheers,

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RE: Skills

[Carl . Scarlett]

What about us closet designers?

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 1:17 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Skills

 

I think he meant *real* designers, Shane. :p

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Shane Morris (Automatic Studio)
 wrote:

Damn straight!

 

You don't see me coding do you?

 

...

 

Well, much. 

 

Shane

Shane Morris  |  Automatic Studio  |  sh...@automaticstudio.com.au  |
+61 438 818 888  


On 01/03/2012, at 3:49 PM, "Jordan Knight"  wrote:

Leave designing up to designers :p

Sent from my iPad


On 01/03/2012, at 3:45 PM, Jasim Schluter
 wrote:

All agree that today's Silverlight Developer is
tomorrows XAML developer?

 

Are there any skills that tomorrows' XAML developer will
need that

Silverlight developers are missing?

 

Like Metro design skills?

Inside out knowledge of the Windows 8 API / Win 8 Phone
API?

Asyn

Coding

chro

Skills?

nous

 

Ideas?

 

(and is the answer to this question the answer to the
question, "WTF do we do with all these Silverlight Usergroups?".)

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012 6:28 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Skills

 

>And please not everyone say Javascipt!

By that I assume that's already on the top of your list
and you're looking for something in addition to it. Many of the JS
frameworks are definitely. NodeJS and CoffeeScript are also interesting
from a dev POV. As a UX HTML5, CSS3, SAAS. Personally I got hook
recently with Lean Startup and product development. Also, some people
might hate it, but I think there're lots of opportunities for iPhone
development, a good place to start would be Hello iPhone
 

 

Hope this helps. 

Miguel A. Madero Reyes
www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
m...@miguelmadero.com

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Jasim Schluter
 wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I've been playing with Silverlight since Silverlight 2
beta,

 

and have just finished a 1 year 7 month contract doing
UX work in Silverlight.

 

Now that I have a chance to lift my head up and ask:

 

"What skills this group are they adding to their toolbox
at the moment?"

 

And please not everyone say Javascipt!

 

Cheers,

 

Jasim Schluter

 

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RE: Build

[Carl . Scarlett]

Good point.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 9:37 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Build

 

WinUXG.

 

In reality your windows focued only now and given XAML / HTML5 + WinRT
etc... will cross-polynate why limit yourselves to just XAML? I saw this
with the Flash vs Flex community, in the end its the Flash Runtime why
segeregate ... its technology racism RACISM! :)

 

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http://www.riagenic.com



On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Stephen Price
 wrote:

+1 for XDDN.More than happy to widen the focus from Silverlight to all
things XAML. 

 

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:02 AM,  wrote:

+1 for XDDN.  +1 for more focus on design.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David
Burela 
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:53 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Build

 

Earlier this year I sent out a newsletter, saying that I'd made the
decision to change the Melbourne SDDN group to be a XAML usergroup, to
cover Silverlight + Windows phone (+ WPF).

For me there was enough crossover to stop it being an exclusively
Silverlight usergroup.

 

My plans for the rest of the year were to have a lot more generic design
sessions, such as more examples of a design workflow, the creative
process, etc. I figured t here should be more "DESIGN" focus since it is
in the usergroup's name (SDDN).

Now with build, I'll definitely having WinRT XAML sessions (in fact,
that's what this month's Melbourne talk is on).

 

 

For me, the SDDN has evolved into being a usergroup focused on cutting
edge Microsoft UI frameworks, and the design philosophies behind UI/UX.
I guess the only issue is the name. 

I had kept the SDDN name only for the brand recognition.

My suggestion? We rebrand SDDN to XDDN. Which could mean "XAML Design &
Developer Network" or with the X meaning anything if you want to include
HTML5 (like the XMUG run by thoughtworks).

-David Burela

 

On 21 September 2011 19:12, Stephen Price 
wrote:

Hey all,

 

So most people have probably absorbed the stuff shown at BUILD and so I
thought I'd kick off a new thread and see what people think. (I'm yet to
spend any time watching videos but have read a few blog posts about it)

 

A couple of things spring to mind. Silverlight will soon be (if not
already) legacy code. I liked the quote I saw somewhere "The rumours of
my death have been greatly exaggerated. - Silverlight"

 

Being a developer/designer/devigner, I think its great that XAML will be
available for C++, HTML5 and .Net. I'm wondering if it's time to
rebadge/rename/reinvent the SDDN user group. I'm thinking XUG would be a
good name. (Or perhaps XUGXUG, said in the voice of a peon from warcraft
3 - pronounced Zug-zug).

 

thoughts? 

 

Go.

 


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RE: Build

[Carl . Scarlett]

+1 for XDDN.  +1 for more focus on design.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David
Burela 
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:53 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Build

 

Earlier this year I sent out a newsletter, saying that I'd made the
decision to change the Melbourne SDDN group to be a XAML usergroup, to
cover Silverlight + Windows phone (+ WPF).

For me there was enough crossover to stop it being an exclusively
Silverlight usergroup.

 

My plans for the rest of the year were to have a lot more generic design
sessions, such as more examples of a design workflow, the creative
process, etc. I figured there should be more "DESIGN" focus since it is
in the usergroup's name (SDDN).

Now with build, I'll definitely having WinRT XAML sessions (in fact,
that's what this month's Melbourne talk is on).

 

 

For me, the SDDN has evolved into being a usergroup focused on cutting
edge Microsoft UI frameworks, and the design philosophies behind UI/UX.
I guess the only issue is the name. 

I had kept the SDDN name only for the brand recognition.

My suggestion? We rebrand SDDN to XDDN. Which could mean "XAML Design &
Developer Network" or with the X meaning anything if you want to include
HTML5 (like the XMUG run by thoughtworks).

-David Burela

 

On 21 September 2011 19:12, Stephen Price 
wrote:

Hey all,

 

So most people have probably absorbed the stuff shown at BUILD and so I
thought I'd kick off a new thread and see what people think. (I'm yet to
spend any time watching videos but have read a few blog posts about it)

 

A couple of things spring to mind. Silverlight will soon be (if not
already) legacy code. I liked the quote I saw somewhere "The rumours of
my death have been greatly exaggerated. - Silverlight"

 

Being a developer/designer/devigner, I think its great that XAML will be
available for C++, HTML5 and .Net. I'm wondering if it's time to
rebadge/rename/reinvent the SDDN user group. I'm thinking XUG would be a
good name. (Or perhaps XUGXUG, said in the voice of a peon from warcraft
3 - pronounced Zug-zug).

 

thoughts? 

 

Go.

 


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RE: Ideas for Melbourne SDDN - May meeting

[Carl . Scarlett]

I think it's a great idea.  Pity I'm over in Perth and won't be there. 

 

Is there still unease over the future?  I was hoping the sentiment had
petered into irrelevance by now (like the idea).  I'm especially
interested in the perception of WPF in some of the major capitals where
the market is a lot stronger generally.  There seems to be a host of WPF
jobs popping up in the US right now, and I thought the future was
clearing again?

 

Carl.

 

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Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer | Genesis

IT & Change Management | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8451

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

AFR Smart Investor Blue Ribbon Awards
2010 Bank of the Year

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David
Burela 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 8:57 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Ideas for Melbourne SDDN - May meeting

 

I am currently locking down the speakers for the meeting in April, but
thought I should start throwing out ideas for the May meeting.

 

My thoughts at the moment are

*   I would love to see a lot of people who have never presented
before, put their hand up to do a 10-15 lightning minute talk.
*   There is still unease in the WPF / Silverlight community about
its future vs. HTML 5, #fixwpf, etc.

 

So what I am proposing for May, is a series of Lightning talks where
everyone can spend 10-15 mins just showing off an application that they
are currently building right now with Silverlight / WinPhone 7 / WPF.

No need to create a ton of slides, no need to prepare a lot of
materials. Just jump up in front of everyone and show off what you are
working on at the moment. What are are you finding easy and loving, and
what are some of the difficulties you are having with your application.

 

I think this would help showcase all the great work we're doing at the
moment that is usually hidden from view, and will give everyone a chance
to talk amongst themselves after the presentations. Discussions on how
to get around their issues / new ideas for their apps can be started.

 

Thoughts?

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RE: Dynamic assembly loading

[Carl . Scarlett]

I guess that means I'm not spamming the list with my posts then *grin*.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Anderson 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:44 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Dynamic assembly loading

 

I'd like to have a talk on MVVM Light at the Sydney SDDN too.  Anybody
willing to do a talk about it next month?  This month, we've got Young
Oh talking about Prism + MEF.

 

BTW. I think this is the first email you've sent to the list Carl that
hasn't gone into my Spam folder :).

 

Chris

 

On 10 February 2011 15:39,  wrote:

+1

 

Covering MVVM Lite at Perth SDDN is an awesome idea.

 

Carl.

 

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From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:28 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Dynamic assembly loading

 

Have a look at this 
http://development-guides.silverbaylabs.org/Video/Dynamically-Loading-.D
lls-in-Silverlight 
It seems to cover how I started off doing it on a project last year. I 
started off copying how Prism does it (it's a pattern with some helper 
dll's essentially) and then later we swapped in the Prism helpers. 
That was pretty easy as I'd named everything closely with Prism. 

So you can do it yourself or use a framework such as Prism. I've heard 
it said Prism is quite large/bloated compared to some other 
frameworks. I've not yet had a chance to look at the others, I like to 
do things myself until the need arises to use someone elses framework. 
Its a double edged sword, it does what you want but comes with their 
bugs. 

I'll be looking at MVVM lite over the next few weeks. May even do a 
demo at next Perth Silverlight user group. (more than welcome to fly 
over to visit hehe) 

have fun! 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Greg Keogh < g...@mira.net> wrote: 
> Folks, after years of avoiding the need, I finally have to async load
some 
> large DLLs. I have two charting libraries to reference and their total
size 
> is causing slow app loading. 
> 
> I have placed the guilty DLLs in the ClientBin folder and I can see
them 
> async loading correctly. But ... how do I let them be referenced in
the 
> project for compilation, but keep them out of the app XAP file for
deploy? 
> 
> I tried setting Copy Local = false for the two references, but that
has no 
> effect. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Greg 
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RE: Dynamic assembly loading

[Carl . Scarlett]

+1

 

Covering MVVM Lite at Perth SDDN is an awesome idea.

 

Carl.

 

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Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer | Genesis

IT & Change Management | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

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2010 Bank of the Year

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:28 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Dynamic assembly loading

 

Have a look at this 
http://development-guides.silverbaylabs.org/Video/Dynamically-Loading-.D
lls-in-Silverlight 
It seems to cover how I started off doing it on a project last year. I 
started off copying how Prism does it (it's a pattern with some helper 
dll's essentially) and then later we swapped in the Prism helpers. 
That was pretty easy as I'd named everything closely with Prism. 

So you can do it yourself or use a framework such as Prism. I've heard 
it said Prism is quite large/bloated compared to some other 
frameworks. I've not yet had a chance to look at the others, I like to 
do things myself until the need arises to use someone elses framework. 
Its a double edged sword, it does what you want but comes with their 
bugs. 

I'll be looking at MVVM lite over the next few weeks. May even do a 
demo at next Perth Silverlight user group. (more than welcome to fly 
over to visit hehe) 

have fun! 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Greg Keogh < g...@mira.net> wrote: 
> Folks, after years of avoiding the need, I finally have to async load
some 
> large DLLs. I have two charting libraries to reference and their total
size 
> is causing slow app loading. 
> 
> I have placed the guilty DLLs in the ClientBin folder and I can see
them 
> async loading correctly. But ... how do I let them be referenced in
the 
> project for compilation, but keep them out of the app XAP file for
deploy? 
> 
> I tried setting Copy Local = false for the two references, but that
has no 
> effect. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Greg 
> 
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RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

[Carl . Scarlett]

You mean you used Lightswitch?  How did you wash of the smell?  *grin*

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Stovell 
Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 3:57 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

 

Jose,

 

There was a lot of sarcasm in those images. Don't take them literally. 

 

The second two charts are my impression of the technologies Microsoft
tend to choose. I've actually managed to avoid all of #1 and #2 in your
suggestions, so the only Silverlight application I'd ever used from
Microsoft was Live Mesh. 

 

Paul

 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Jose Fajardo
 wrote:

With all respect Paul Stovell I can't make sense of what your diagrams
are saying. I apologize if I'm reading them incorrectly BUT the way I
read that diagram your suggesting that with Rays' exodus Silverlight has
no champion within MS and it will literally cease to exist?!

I guess if you only read blog & news articles, which pretty much relay
that message, you'd be forgiven for thinking that way. 

But if you look at the facts MS are doing everything but neglecting
Silverlight...

Just look at Microsoft's use of Silverlight & Penetration Numbers...

1. New Products
a) the new Azure portal , 
b) Windows InTune , 
c) Lync client are all Silverlight apps
d) Silverlight profiling tool in VS - massive investment by MS
for Silverlight development 
d) Lightswitch
e) PivotControl - this has massive potential to change the data
visualization and mining industry
f) etc many others that I'm sure will be announced in the
near and far future


2. Deep integration of Silverlight into existing core products - deep
Silverlight integration across the business, Live and server products
(eg. Sharepoint/ MSCRM / Live Portal / Bing all have strong Silverlight
integration)

3. Penetration numbers

~ 96% Flash
~ 69% Silverlight (that's up from 64%)
~ 10% (once you add up all the numbers)


http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie&l
imit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=ope
ra&limit%5B%5D=netscape


Again I apologize if I've miss-read your graphs BUT the way I see it
based on the facts in front of me (from Microsoft's announcements and
public data)  Silverlight is alive and kicking and most importantly has
healthy investment from Microsoft!

Regards 
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100

From: Miguel Madero 


Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

To: ozSilverlight 
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Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that
little) for WPF internally or externally.



On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell 
wrote:

> I took the liberty of graphing this:
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
wrote:
>
>> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
>> *feigned shocked look*
>>
>> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for 
>> ages. Nothing changed here.
>>
>> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero 
>> wrote:
>> > I like how Shawn puts it,
>> >>
>> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
>> >
>> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use 
>> > cases
>> for
>> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment 
>> > (not
>> much
>> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), 
>> > other devices (maybe?).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ...at least for non-phones:
>> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverligh

RE: Command binding working

[Carl . Scarlett]

Hi Greg,

 

Don't worry too much about eliminating code behinds.  I find that's a
good guiding principle when first learning XAML based technologies (as
it forces you to change the way you think about architecting solutions),
but just because you have code behind doesn't mean you're doing it
wrong.

 

I doubt there's a hard and fast rule for "no code behinds" that doesn't
have a lot of exceptions.  All I can say is that once you've got some
solid practical experiences working with XAML you'll develop a sense of
when it's appropriate to use code behind and when it isn't.  It probably
comes down to whether it breaks the spirit of the model you've
architected or not, and whether you're willing to break your own rules
in specific instances under strict conditions.

 

All I can do is encourage you to continue through these frustrating
battles.  At some point I know things will start to make more sense for
you.

 

Best of luck,

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 9:55 AM
To: "'ozSilverlight'" 
Subject: Command binding working

 

Noobie, I pasted the Command.cs and ButtonBase.cs from Patrick
Cauldwell's sample project the into my project and it's working.

 

Thanks for finding that.

 

My previous attempts have used different combinations and versions of
these classes without success. This combination does look subtly
different to any of my previous attempts. Patrick's code is more
primitive than some of the others, so I might try to beef it up and
generalise it with the code from other classes.

 

Oh well, my first stupid MVVM hurdle is over, now I have to deal with
grid selections, double-clicks, trees, and ComponentOne controls. I will
be a challenge to avoid code-behind for all of these cases.

 

Greg


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RE: Who is using Silverlight?

[Carl . Scarlett]

Hi Greg,

 

I think once Windows Mobile 7 hits (and the inevitable quick succession
of point releases) Silverlight will start to take off and (finally)
begin the journey towards being a prominent target for business
application.  I'm sure we all feel the mobile application movement hasn'
t been realised yet*; we're still only in the foothills of that dream;
but Silverlight is such a compelling platform because it extends
existing .NET skillsets rather than requiring developers to climb a
vertical learning curve.

 

Where I work is already developing iPhone applications (mainly for
customer gimmick, riding the gadget wave) though there has been talk
about long term projects using Silverlight on Windows Mobile phones.

 

I would argue that business should definitely consider using the tools
available now to develop Silverlight apps for Windows Mobile.  The tools
appear very mature even at this early stage; hopefully a sign that
Microsoft are taking special care to get this right.

 

It all looks exciting to me, even from my WPF world.  

 

Carl.

 

* iPhone users would probably argue against this, but there's more to
mobile than iPhones, iPads, and Apple

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

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E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Harris 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 10:22 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Who is using Silverlight?

 

Hi Perry,

 

Thanks for that, I am more focused here on examples of true business
applications.

Not that video presentation can not be a true business application.

 

Yes there are some in the showcase.

But I am thinking more about things like company X developed a
Silverlight add in to their line of business application allowing remote
data entry or whatever.

That is applications that are NOT using all the Silverlight UI wizardry!

 

I feel that there is a real perception problem out there, you have to
use all the Silverlight UI wizardry, even for simple line of business
applications.

Also, if possible, looking for more local stuff.

 

Thanks

Greg

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Perry Stathopoulos 
wrote:

Well you have NetFlix on demand in the US that uses Silverlight
exclusively for their online streaming. The Beijing and Vancouver
Olympics were using Silverlight exclusively for NBC and CTV networks in
US and Canada respectively. You then have the showcase here to take a
look at:

http://www.silverlight.net/showcase/

 

 

From: Greg Harris <mailto:g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:31 PM

To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com 

Subject: Who is using Silverlight?

 

Hi Everybody,

I am putting together a presentation on Silverlight for managers,
basically a "why you should not be afraid of using this technology".
There is one area that I am missing information on, that is who is using
Silverlight.

Question for the group: 
. Who is using Silverlight in Australia? / Overseas?
. What for?
. Is there public information available about the project?

My interest is more focused on real business applications rather than
just cute show off the user interface technology.

Thanks
Greg Harris



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RE: Out of memory exceptions in VS2010 with Silverlight 4

[Carl . Scarlett]

Hi Tony,

 

This sounds like the same issue we are having on our major project (a
WPF/CAB project).  Our Client solution has 66 project files in the
solution, and our middle tier has 77 project files.  We are running on
Windows XP 32bit SP3.  And yes, Visual Studio (2008) starts falling
apart visually before finally collapsing due to lack of RAM (swap space
makes no difference).

 

Because of this issue we discovered that XP has an upper limit of usable
RAM because it's 32 bit.  After a 32bit Windows OS boots up, it has a
maximum RAM of 4GB minus any RAM hardware on PCI slots use.  For
example, despite having 4GB or RAM installed, we average around 2.8Gb
available after boot (this is what you see on My Computer | Properties |
General tab).  Throwing in more RAM won't help.

 

The best solution would be to move up to a 64bit OS which has a much
higher RAM maximum, and can use all available RAM (I recommend Windows 7
64bit).  Unfortunately for us, that's out of the question because we're
hamstrung by the corporate Standard Operating Environment.  I've been
pushing hard for our SOE to be shifted (even if only for IT), but
progress is too slow for us.

 

We've had great success in running cut-down solutions that only contain
the projects we need.  Some of our team built a solution generator using
the main solution file as a source, while others (like me) like to hand
build our cut-down solutions.  The smaller solutions cope much better
memory wise and have reduced the number crashes.  We also unload
projects from our cut-down solutions to further reduce memory impact
(however the savings aren't really used until you restart VS).

 

The disadvantage of this is it code synchronisation can be tricky, and
puts more onus on the developer to coordinate changes themselves.  i.e,
if another developer makes changes in a project you have checked out and
you pick up part of their change, your solution probably won't build.
We get around this by having batch files to compile the full solution,
and by doing regular "Get Latest" on the full code branch.  Our
continuous integration build helps highlight any other code sync issues.

 

Watch out for VS Add-ins and patches too.  Some of our developer
environments have had problems with certain Add-ins while others haven'
t.  Some developer environments also react differently for no apparent
reason and require patches from MS.

 

Another thing to note; watch your VS integrated source control provider.
We recently switched from Vault to TFS and have realised since that
Vault caused huge memory leaks in VS.  We were stuck on a slightly older
version of Vault than is available, but it seems TFS is much better at
handling memory inside VS.  e.g. our full solution in VS, once loaded
and compiled, uses over 100Mb less memory on TFS than Vault.  devenv.exe
also opens and closes a hell of a lot quicker using TFS, and has never
had an instance hanging around in the background since moving to TFS.

 

I'm sure the most optimal solution would be Windows 7 64bit with 8Mb RAM
and cut-down projects.  Not sure if VS2010 has better memory usage yet.

 

Good luck!

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

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ton...@tpg.com.au
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 8:21 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Out of memory exceptions in VS2010 with Silverlight 4

 

Hi all, 

It's Friday, so I thought I would let you know about one issue in our
team. 

Basically, we are running 32-bit Windows XP. The machines have anywhere
between 2 and 4GB 
RAM. Everyone in the team gets System Out Of Memory Exceptions. When
that happens, you have 
wasted the compile time, and then you have to shut down VS2010, start it
up, then open up the 
solution. The solution has a significant number of projects in it.
Apparently this problem only 
happens in 32-bit windows. 

So for the whole restart process, we have assigned 10 minutes to this
procedure. 

Next we have logged the total crash time for our team of 7 developers
(some days people were 
away, but it ultimately doesn't matter). 

The times lost are as follows: 
14th 240 mins 
15th 100 mins 
18th 120 mins 
19th 60 mins 
20th 200 mins 
21st 100 mins 
22nd 140 mins 

we have assigned an arbitrary value against the times of $100/hour. So
the loss of productivity is 
16 hours @ $100/hour = $1600. 

Hopefully soon these figures will become a significant enough figure to
justify an upgrade! 

Regards, 
Tony 

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RE: Specifying collection size when creating Sample Data

[Carl . Scarlett]

I've been able to do simple edits manually, but I think I had to close
Blend first because Blend overwrote the changes with it's own version in
memory (without prompting) when I closed it.

 

We've had some luck writing our own Table structure which we populate
using XML.  We lose the nifty Sample Data generation doing this, but we
gain tighter control over the data and the ability to flesh the
structure out with custom properties and features we can use to drive
our custom sketch controls.

 

Carl.

 

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IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
Knight 
Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 7:36 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Specifying collection size when creating Sample Data

 

I'd not manually edit the data - it's black magic!

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Miguel Madero 
wrote:

There's a button to edit the sample data in Blend (DB icon with a
pencil). At the bottom left corner of that dialog there's a
TextBoxSlider for the Number of records. 

 

Not sure how to do this in VS. 

Once the data is generated, you could manually modified the Xaml in
SampleData/YourSampleData/YourSampleData.xaml

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RE: Lots of bind/notify classes

[Carl . Scarlett]

+1.  

 

I use snippets for this sort of stuff, which makes generating all that
code very easy.

 

The project I work on also uses a base class to hide the event.  It's
quite a large project, and I haven't seen it get in the way of doing
anything else.

 

I haven't tried the aspect idea (re:PostSharp).  I wonder how this would
affect Blendability?


Carl.

 

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IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Mason 
Sent: Friday, 28 May 2010 2:22 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Lots of bind/notify classes

 

Hi Greg,

 

I hear your pain and reflect it.

 

You could probably set up a method using PostSharp to automatically
create the necessary setter code, but that's provided you can introduce
PostSharp into your process.

 

The best I've managed is to set up a Visual Studio code snippet to help
create them quickly. I deferred doing that for a long time, but recently
got around to it and it does make things much less painful. But
unfortunately still far from ideal. Just grab the existing 'prop' code
snippet and expand it out from there. 'tis fairly simple to do and well
worth the effort.

 

ciao, Richard

 

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think
you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over
- HAL (2001)

 

I was wondering if anyone has found a nice way of creating/managing lots
of classes that are suitable for binding and implement
INotifyPropertyChanged. As you know, you have to keep coding properties
like this:

 

public string CompanyName

{

get {return this.companyNameValue;}

 

set

{

if (value != this.companyNameValue)

{

this.companyNameValue = value;

NotifyPropertyChanged("CompanyName");

}

}

}

 

You can create a  simple base class to factor out the event, but not
much else, as there is no way I know of to intercept any arbitrary
property setter and add custom processing. Is that right?! Coding the
above skeleton dozens or hundreds of times gets tedious and I'm hoping
there's a better way. I did consider using a T4 generator to spit out
the classes, but that's an obtuse way around the problem and will
require extra research time (but I see others have done it already).

 

I have dozens of existing classes with dozens of properties and I'd like
to use them for binding, but I'd have to expand every property to be
like the same above, which would be hell.

 

Greg

 


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RE: Images invisible

[Carl . Scarlett]

Good lord Greg.  Silverlight seems determined to drive you screaming for
the hills.

 

I sympathise completely, but can offer no help.

 

Good luck!

 

Carl.

 

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E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Friday, 28 May 2010 6:20 AM
To: "'ozSilverlight'" 
Subject: Images invisible

 

Late last night I was working away on my SL3 app doing the compile-run,
compile-run thing over and over as usual. Without warning the app fired
up and all of the images were blank. And by "blank" I mean invisible.
All 61 images in the solution seems to be taking space on the screens,
but are invisible/blank. There are no loading errors or JavaScript
errors or any warnings of any kind.

 

I deleted all binaries and rebuilt everything. I've rebooted this
morning and rebuilt everything. I tried to use Fiddler2 to see if there
were any silent 404s, but it won't trace localhost (there are dozens of
pages of instructions on how to do this, but they all are nonsensical or
don't explain where the settings are in Fiddler2 to allow this).

 

I have never seen anything like this in my life, and I never would have
guessed such a thing was possible. I would have been less surprised if
my machine sang the national anthem when I ran the app.

 

I've already wasted 2 hours on this, so I thought I'd mention it anyway
just in case someone has seen the symptom before.

 

Greg


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RE: XAML editing crash

[Carl . Scarlett]

Sometimes the toolbox goes crazy and crashes VS when viewing XAML files.

 

Try this: 

. Close VS

. Deleting your toolbox (tbd) files from C:\Documents and
Settings\[userprofile]\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0

. Restart VS, and open the XAML file

 

After the toolbox rebuilds, the problem may have gone away (for a
while).

 

I've also seen people with VS Add-ins that cause problems that crash VS
when viewing XAML.  Some I've seen that cause this are Power Commands
and Resharper.  Fortunately, these Add-ins work fine on all my dev boxes
(though I don't use Resharper because it's evil *ducks for cover*).

 

Hope this helps.

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 10:28 AM
To: "'ozSilverlight'" 
Subject: XAML editing crash

 

Since I rebuilt my new machine last Xmas I have been suffering a
terrible intermittent problem where Visual Studio 2008 SP1 crashes when
I edit the XAML of a Silverlight control. By "edit" I mean "open with"
the XAML designer, the XML editor or even the text source editor. There
will be a 2 second delay after the file opens and VS2008 will crash and
ask to close, but it does not close and I have to kill the task.

 

This disease comes in unpredictable waves. Sometimes I don't see it for
a week, and then it happens for weeks non-stop (as it is now). I often
have to delete all the .suo and .user files to get the solution to open
up again. There must be some unknown environmental thing that I alter to
cause the problem to start and stop, but I've no idea what it might be.

 

I have lost dozens of man hours of valuable working time so far this
year and it can sometimes cut my daily productivity by half, or worse.
I'm in that situation now, falling behind because I can't edit control
XAML in VS2008. I'm sometimes using Notepad, sometimes Blend 3 (but that
stinking ill-conceived incomprehensible tortuously quirky weird-looking
app gives me the merdes).

 

I mention this problem partly because I'm mad as hell, and partly in
case someone else might have suffered that same way and knows of some
hotfix or similar cure.

 

Greg


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VHDs in Windows 7 (was RE: Silverlight 4)

[Carl . Scarlett]

OMG.  I had no idea you could do native boots on VHDs in Windows 7.  I
still can't pick my jaw up from the floor.

 

Scott: Are there any tools that let you do this easily setup VHDs for
boot or is it all done through the command line (Diskpart etc)?

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:29 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: Silverlight 4

 

Jordan: I ended up created 3x VHD's that i do native boots on.

 

VHD1 - VS2008 (SL3/EXPR3)

VHD2 - VS2010 (RC)

VHD3 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXPR 4 RC

 

then i'll create a VHD4

VHD4 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXP4 RTW

 

I use a base VHD with everything but Microsoft tools installed (CS4,
Office etc) 

 

Go Win7! :)

 



From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight
[jordan.kni...@readify.net]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:06 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Silverlight 4

 

A gotcha worth pointing out when going to VS2010 and developing for
Azure with Silverlight and WCF RIA Services: The 2010 version of WCF RIA
Services can't run on 3.5... So I've been re-isntalling WRS as I switch
projects.

 

Nothing major - its a 2 mins install... 

 

Anyone have an tips on having them both on the machine at once?

 

Probably should just build a VS08 VPC :)

 

Jordan.



From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
[j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: Silverlight 4

Great post from Tim explaining it all:
http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-relea
sed.aspx

 

Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is
what I'll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for
SL3 is the only problematic piece of the puzzle.

 

John.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
Knight
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Silverlight 4

 

+ It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's
done :)



From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
[n...@builttoroam.com]
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Silverlight 4

Right, so you'd prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all
the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today
h I know what I'd prefer.

 

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From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston
Pang
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Silverlight 4

 

Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of
all these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the
RTM bits at once.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight 
wrote:

Yuppers

 

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang 
wrote:

So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is?

 

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph 
wrote:

Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for
Silverlight 4 itself!

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-Original Message-
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay
Tripathi
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Silverlight 4

Just checked, Silverlight 4 RC2 is now available for download.


Vinay

-Original Message-
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
Knight
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:03 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML

Hey Ross,

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortu

RE: Row index

[Carl . Scarlett]

I reiterate care with using the datagrid, especially if you're using
animations that affect its measure.  There's a lot of elements that make
up that sucker, and even on kick @ss CPUs animation can have annoying
little ticks if you're having to push a datagrid around.

 

Now that animation is becoming so easy, it's very important to consider
how to wield it.  Nothing can help more than planning your design up
front.

 

Hope that's not too Bill Buxton-ish. *grin*

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ross

Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 9:25 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Row index

 

This may not be appropriate for you situation of course, but I 
remember reading someone's blog that pointed out that (in wpf / 
silverlight) the use of a datagrid shouldn't necessarily be an 
automatic decision for displaying lists of data. 

The alternative being the ItemsControl and ItemTemplate. In some 
situations you can create a much more elegant and flexible UI compared 
with a grid. 

If you don't need the specific benefits of a datagrid, such as column 
resizing and reordering, it might be worth ditching the grid 
altogether. 

PS. You might need to take some care if you are loading lots of rows 
into an itemscontrol, in which case some sort of virtualization would 
be advisable. 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Stephen Price 
< step...@perthprojects.com> wrote: 
> It's been working with SelectedItem but I've got what seems to be a
race 
> condition between two events and sometimes the selected item is not
correct. 
> I'm collapsing all of the detailpanels and then either showing or
hiding the 
> detail panel that was just clicked, at the same time as using the
selected 
> item to filter the results for a datagrid within the details panel.
the net 
> result is that sometimes the wrong row gets the data or worse I end up
with 
> a Layout loop (seems to be on the datagrids that have a lot of rows). 
> 
> I can't use the datacontext from the row as the data is on the
viewmodel 
> itself (property uses linq query to filter the results for the row 
> selected). I think a better way to do this would be the classic master
> slave, where I have a single grid or list and the selected item
decides what 
> to populate in a slave datagrid. that's the behaviour we wanted except
that 
> the slave datagrid is show in the row's detail panel (selecting
another row 
> via toggle button in another row collapses all other rows and shows
the row 
> clicked). 
> 
> Doesnt explain why expanding some of the larger rows gives me a layout
loop 
> exception but that could be a different issue (or maybe even a weird
bug in 
> the datagrid?) I know there used to be a limit on the number of
textboxes 
> you could show on a page, but I read that was fixed in SL3. 
> 
> thanks for the replies, 
> Stephen 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Miguel Madero < m...@miguelmadero.com>
wrote: 
>> 
>> Stephen, 
>> 
>> Could you provide more details about it? An example of the collection
of 
>> itemssources. The Details Panel already has the same DataContext as
the row. 
>> I don't understand what you want to do? Is it just a child colleciton
and 
>> for some reason you want it to use the same index as the parent row? 
>> 
>> Could the VisualTreeHelper or a Converter help? 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:56 PM, ross < r...@perenni.com.au> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Maybe you need to take a different approach. 
>>> 
>>> You could bind the SelectedItem property of the grid to an
appropriate 
>>> property on whatever class is supplying your ItemsSource / 
>>> datacontext, depending on how you have it coded. Your details panel 
>>> could bind to the same property as well, or if it is more complex
you 
>>> could use it as a hook to do what ever you need, such as update 
>>> whatever it is your details panel binds against in the setter
perhaps. 
>>> 
>>> Another, less elegant option is to handle the SelectionChanged event
>>> of the grid and then use the SelectionChangedEventArgs.AddedItems 
>>> property to give you a hook as to what the new selected item is,
which 
>>> can then be used to set the datacontext of your details panel. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Stephen Price <
step...@littlevoices.com> 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > Hey all, 
>>> > Will someone put me out of my misery and tell me how I can easily
get 
>>> > the 
>>> > index of a row in a datagrid? I can't believe there's no way to
iterate 
>>> > through the rows in a datagrid. Have been banging my head against
a 
>>> > wall all 
>>> > afternoon and I'm done. 
>>> > What I actually want to do is set the datacontext of each Details
panel 
>>> > of 
>>> > my datagrid (more specifically another datagrid within each 
>>> > detailpanel) to 
>>> > the same index item as the row. ie collection of itemsources with
each 
>>> > itemsource being set to the collection[index] that matches that
row's 
>>> > index. 
>>> >

RE: How to hack Expression Blend.

[Carl . Scarlett]

Awesome.

 

Is there any plans to support extensibility in Expression for future
releases? 

 

Love Snoop and Rooler by the way!

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Blois 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2010 1:38 AM
To: Jonas Follesø ; ozSilverlight

Cc: David Pugmire 
Subject: RE: How to hack Expression Blend.

 

My earlier response bounced and I forgot to resend L

 

Just to call out the official messaging around this- the Blend addin
APIs are completely unsupported and very prone to breaking between
releases, with service packs, etc. But if you’re curious about poking
around, a good starting point would be to take a look at the
PrototypingPackage class in
Microsoft.Expression.Prototyping.HostEnvironment.dll using Reflector.

 

You should be able to get things into the scene using the selection
service which will give you access to SceneNodes (or SceneElements),
from which you can get the ModelItem (SceneNodeModelItem) which allows
you to use the documented ModelItem extensibility APIs available to
artboard adorners and such.

 

There’s also some interesting techniques here
  which could be useful.

 

Again, none of this is fully supported!

 

 

From: Jonas Follesø [mailto:jo...@follesoe.no] 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Cc: Peter Blois; David Pugmire
Subject: Re: How to hack Expression Blend.

 

Interesting approach Scott, thanks for sharing!

Did some Blend hacking back in 2008 to do the Colorful addin
(http://colorful.codeplex.com/), and at the time extensibility was
fairly limited. It looks like this is at least a bit better (hopefully
we'll have some documentation when Blend 4.0 RTM?).

I couldn't figure out how to programatically add custom XAML to the open
document/App.xaml or any resource dictionary. So they way I managed to
integrate the add-in was through drag-and-drop and spying on the
clipboard. So in general I produce XAML on the clip board Blend can
understand.

Having an API giving you DOM like access would be awesome.

- Jonas

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:

Adding two Microsoft Rockstars whom may find the below of interest - or
not .. ;) hehe

 

Pete: what's your thoughts on David's approach below in the url?
dangerous or safe? 

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/guide-to-creating-expression
-blend-3-addins/

 

David / All,

heh funny how we're both attacking blend from different angles and kind
of arrive at the same entry point - yet - didn't talk to one another
once about it.. Go Readify! J

 

I think your approach is much cleaner than walking the VisualTree like
mine and I'm pretty sure yours is the "supported" way of doing things
(i.e. Blend's not likely to introduce breaking changes to its current
structure - so I've been told).  

 

 

I'd love to see Blend take on even more of an extensibility than it has
today, in that for example:

[CategoryVisibility("Font",false)]

[CategoryVisibility("Common Properties",false)]

[CategoryPanel(typeof(MyPanel),"Panel Name","Description")]

public class ConsoleWindow : ContentControl

{

 

This would effectively inject your own Panel into the Property Grid. As
I think if we had a basic SDK/API to tap into and route actions through,
we could keep a tighter control over how UserControl's Turnkeys work
etc. Then using API's like:

 

 

MyCustomControlTag tag = new MyCustomControlTag();

tag.SetType(typeof(MyCustomControl));

tag.Name = "Item01";

tag.MyCustomProperty = new MyValue();

BlendVisualDOMHelper.CreateElement(myParentTag, tag, new
TagOrderAttribute(TagOrder.Later), TreeBrowseable.No);

 

This would also allow as to write XAML through a controlled set of
approaches (Much like HTML DOM access today).

 

·We new-up a MyCustomControlTag which inherits a BaseTag class
(usual UserControl / Control properties etc attached).

·We define the "Type" so that it can auto-resolve the xmlns=""
for us before injecting it into your XAML at design-time.

·We can access our "Custom" properties as they derive from
MyCustomControl

·We then Inject this into the XAML DOM via BlendVisualDOMHelper
through a factory method - CreateElement.

·We then feed in the tag and make sure its attached to its
ParentNode.

·We then feed in an Ordering attribute (I quite like how
PropertyOrder works today in Design-time projects for given properties)

·We then define whether or not this node is "Visible" on the
Objects & Timeline hierarchy as at times we want to make knucklehead
tags visible while at the same time for tags with basic functionality we
often may opt out - having the choice would be great.

 

Combine these two concepts together and I'd be pretty happ

RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Carl . Scarlett]

The MIX10 day 1 keynote has some examples of some pretty neat
Silverlight apps that appear to do what I want.

 

Still, once you start pushing the envelope you're bound to discover some
pitfalls.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:31 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

There is only so much in terms of themeing / UI that you can change in
the phone. If you really want to go out of your way to do some scary
crap, then well you really have to work at it..so in a sense prescribed
UI isn't a bad thing when it comes to quick "hello world" style apps J

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:18 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

I'm curious: how does it protect developers?

 

I hope it doesn't.  Restricting developers stifles innovation.  I'd
rather be unrestricted, and have to be disciplined when I develop.

 

Restricting developers smells like VB to me.

 

I agree about the UX on WM7.  It's not going to make any iPhone users
convert to the dark side.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:03 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

As much as i piss and moan about the UX being "meh" one thing that
appeals to me about it all is how it protects developers from themselves
in terms of UI/UX J

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:39 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

It's only the beginning.  I'm sure things will improve rapidly from
here.

 

I think I found out about marketplace from keynote 1 from MIX10.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 9:07 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

The dev experience is great. I started playing with some apps and it was
a breeze, having Silverlight experience it's really easy. You can do the
UI in blend with some nice animations and databing everything to a
viewmodel, etc. 

 

I didn't hear anything about the marketplace, the phones are coming out
on the holiday season, so we still have a lot of time to get ready...
probably a looong time before the phone hit the Oz market. 

 

I saw a couple of guys developing on an enumulator using a multi touch
monitor, it's far from ideal, but it was nice to see. 



-- 
Miguel A. Madero Reyes
www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
m...@miguelmadero.com


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RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Carl . Scarlett]

I'm curious: how does it protect developers?

 

I hope it doesn't.  Restricting developers stifles innovation.  I'd
rather be unrestricted, and have to be disciplined when I develop.

 

Restricting developers smells like VB to me.

 

I agree about the UX on WM7.  It's not going to make any iPhone users
convert to the dark side.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:03 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

As much as i piss and moan about the UX being "meh" one thing that
appeals to me about it all is how it protects developers from themselves
in terms of UI/UX J

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:39 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

It's only the beginning.  I'm sure things will improve rapidly from
here.

 

I think I found out about marketplace from keynote 1 from MIX10.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 9:07 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

The dev experience is great. I started playing with some apps and it was
a breeze, having Silverlight experience it's really easy. You can do the
UI in blend with some nice animations and databing everything to a
viewmodel, etc. 

 

I didn't hear anything about the marketplace, the phones are coming out
on the holiday season, so we still have a lot of time to get ready...
probably a looong time before the phone hit the Oz market. 

 

I saw a couple of guys developing on an enumulator using a multi touch
monitor, it's far from ideal, but it was nice to see. 



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RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Carl . Scarlett]

It's only the beginning.  I'm sure things will improve rapidly from
here.

 

I think I found out about marketplace from keynote 1 from MIX10.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 9:07 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

The dev experience is great. I started playing with some apps and it was
a breeze, having Silverlight experience it's really easy. You can do the
UI in blend with some nice animations and databing everything to a
viewmodel, etc. 

 

I didn't hear anything about the marketplace, the phones are coming out
on the holiday season, so we still have a lot of time to get ready...
probably a looong time before the phone hit the Oz market. 

 

I saw a couple of guys developing on an enumulator using a multi touch
monitor, it's far from ideal, but it was nice to see. 



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RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Carl . Scarlett]

Bummer about Silverlight 4 on WM7.  

 

I guess what really excites me though is that I can use XAML and easily
create a nice UX on my Window Mobile.

 

Still, I won't be able to upgrade my current phone to WM7 so it's going
to be a development only experience for me for a while *pout*.

 

On the bright side, maybe I can sell a few apps on the market place and
make enough to buy a new phone *smile*.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 4:51 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

I remember buying a Windows Mobile phone some years ago, with
excitement, I was looking forward to writing some apps for it. I think I
wrote one. It calculated if it was cheaper to buy bottles of coke or
cans of coke. 

 

I think I'll stick with my iPhone this time around. I've learned my
lesson... just because you can write something doesn't necessarily mean
you will. :)

 

cheers,

Stephen

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:46 PM,  wrote:

Surely Windows Mobile 7 will finally get me off my @ss and coding some
Silverlight 4 (and XNA).

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston
Pang 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 4:36 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

I think these are one of the many gripes I had with 3 and my lack of
motivation to write an actual SL app.

I know I'll be frustrated as hell moving from WPF down to SL3, with
these subtlties in the way. But hopefully SL4 becomes the starting path
for me.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Price
 wrote:

You can use the Silverlight toolkit to apply your theme.xaml file and
then put implicit styles in that theme file. 

 

Its funny, I was surprised you couldn't do it, had forgotten I was using
the toolkit to apply my implicit styles. Glad its part of SL4. 

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:53 PM, ross  wrote:

In WPF you can do this in say your app.xaml or in a merged dictionary:

 
   
 
   
 

And all buttons will be red unless the style is overridden.

This doesn't work in Silverlight 3.  You have to name the style then
reference it as a static resource:

 
 
   



Of course you can do this via the UI in Blend as well.

I think it might be possible to set implicit styles in Silverlight 4
but haven't tried.


On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:
> In WPF you can set global styles but in SIlverlight it's
right+click+Apply
> Style right? ie i'm not high in thinking that am I?
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RE: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Carl . Scarlett]

Surely Windows Mobile 7 will finally get me off my @ss and coding some
Silverlight 4 (and XNA).

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston
Pang 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 4:36 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

 

I think these are one of the many gripes I had with 3 and my lack of
motivation to write an actual SL app.

I know I'll be frustrated as hell moving from WPF down to SL3, with
these subtlties in the way. But hopefully SL4 becomes the starting path
for me.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Price
 wrote:

You can use the Silverlight toolkit to apply your theme.xaml file and
then put implicit styles in that theme file. 

 

Its funny, I was surprised you couldn't do it, had forgotten I was using
the toolkit to apply my implicit styles. Glad its part of SL4. 

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:53 PM, ross  wrote:

In WPF you can do this in say your app.xaml or in a merged dictionary:

 
   
 
   
 

And all buttons will be red unless the style is overridden.

This doesn't work in Silverlight 3.  You have to name the style then
reference it as a static resource:

 
 
   



Of course you can do this via the UI in Blend as well.

I think it might be possible to set implicit styles in Silverlight 4
but haven't tried.


On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:
> In WPF you can set global styles but in SIlverlight it's
right+click+Apply
> Style right? ie i'm not high in thinking that am I?
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RE: Create a child for a UserControl?

[Carl . Scarlett]

Hi Scott,

 

I did try this once, and while I still think it's possible I failed.  

 

In the end I created a new UserControl using the template, and copied my
code across.  It was relatively simple.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:40 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Create a child for a UserControl?

 

Q. Does anyone know if you can instantiate a Control into a raw
UserControl class, in that if you File->New->MyClass and then inherit
UserControl. How does one new-up a Grid/Panel etc within the construct
of that class? (Given it has no MyClass.Children)

 

I know you can do it if do MyClass.xaml.cs via that approach, but
interested to know of an alternative approach?

 

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RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site.

[Carl . Scarlett]

I�d go even further than that.  I�ve never worked for Microsoft so I
don�t have a feel for the internal political struggles.  My comments are
purely as a developer.

 

History tells us one of Microsoft�s greatest strengths lies in the
creation and support of developer communities.  From the dawn of (MS)
time with Geekfest, throughout the monkey-boy Balmer days and until
today, Microsoft�s mantra has been �developers developers developers
developers developers...�.  The developer community now has a life of
it�s own, yet remains a cornerstone of Microsoft�s success.  And
Microsoft continues to innovate such that the community grows stronger,
broader, and can react quicker than any other developer community.  It�s
an amazing thing to be a part of.

 

Given all that, it is such a fantastic shame that Microsoft can�t get it
together (and put the icing on the cake) as far as their developer
product websites go.  Somehow during the design of these sites, the
message seems to become lost that developers are wonderful craftsmen and
women with an insatiable desire for technical detail.  It�s the ultimate
let-down that we can�t point to a Microsoft showcase site and say �this
is what it�s all about�; instead we are ignore these dungheap sites
Microsoft deploy every now and again and focus back inwards to our
communities a little embarrassed by it all.

 

I�m a proud Microsoft developer and I do love the company.  But websites
like this take a little bit of the shine off my pride when I know it
could be just that much better.

 

Hopefully this hasn�t been the ramblings of old hand.  I will continue
to love the company, and hope for the day I can come out as such.

 

My opinions are my own yadda yadda yadda,

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:50 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site.

 

My vote is to fold mscom/expression and mscom/silverlight into
Silverlight.NET

 

Tim is touching only the tip of the iceberg, as having 4 sites all
talking about the same thing is just counter-productive and it kind of
makes me chuckle a bit as given the problem of XAML was to ensure both
sides of the isle (developer <-> designer) collaborate. Yet the first
thing Microsoft does is segregate the audiences? J It retards the
potential for skill pollination (teach devs to design, and devs teach
design to code etc) and if anything all it really does is bolster
internal political and egos within (currently 4 factions duking it out
over ownership rights :D)

 

Now the stark reality is most sites in Microsoft only follow a typical
quantitative analysis for their given sites, which is essentially a
popularity contest in terms of traffic. Yet, the closer i looked at the
data the more I saw nobody was really doing a qualitative analysis as
had they done that, they'd see about 80% of the sites are actually utter
failures and are offering zero value to their consumer base J

 

"..as long as the graphs keep ascending to the upper right, it's no
questions asked..."

 

Silverlight.NET is really the only site that has value, the rest are
just mediocrity being celebrated out loud.

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:40 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site.

 

Welcome to the world of MSFT ;-0

 

Microsof.com/ are usually �marketing� sites � displaying
decision-maker information and case studies, etc.

Silverlight.net serves as a developer community resources: forums,
learning resources, samples, etc. -- *for developers*

 

-th

 

Tim Heuer | +1 (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight

blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/   | twitter:
@timheuer  

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:28 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: Silverlight site.

 

What is the story with http://silverlight.net/  ? .  Will it disappear?

On a positive note it did enlighten me to the silverlight partner
program.  I haven't heard about that before.

It sounds good, unless you fail to ship a site within 90 days :-)

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:50:25 +0530 wrote
>

My thoughts are that this site is basically a Tyre Fire on the horizonof
the web.

http://simpsonseps.com/cutenewsupdate/data/upimages/springfield_tire_fir
e.jpg

J

From:
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozs
ilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Craig Dunn
>Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:47 PM
>To: ozSilverlight
>Subject: Re: RE: Silverlight site.

oops - not a great advertisement for Silverlight's x-platformability

http://twitpic.com/17uw53

RE: Silverlight site.

[Carl . Scarlett]

I like the foldy display.  Unfortunately it doesn't work for me at work
(where I'm stuck with IE6 due to our SOE *pout*).

 

The first time I selected something, half the foldy thing stayed visible
and the scrollable selector didn't appear.  I couldn't navigate back
until I used the browser's back button, and then I got stuck at the
#business_8 URL.

 

I had to force a page reload (Ctrl+F5).  It started to run better (the
foldy thing correctly transitioned to the scrollable selector) but I
still can't go back.

 

It also took a while to load the page (the large gradient background
image takes too long. 

 

Nice try by MS.  I like what they're trying to do.  Maybe it works
better on IE8 (maybe I'll try tonight).

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:55 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Silverlight site.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight

has been  updated.

 

Thoughts? (i.e. i had nothing to do with it so unload good/bad)

 


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RE: xaml icons

[Carl . Scarlett]

Expression Design's export to Photoshop PSD is awesome too.  I've been
able to knock up vector images in Design, export to Photoshop, tweak and
save in ico/jpg with great success.

 

Expression rocks.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 1:43 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU J
no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using
caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly
failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as
well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and
more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight.

 

As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who
specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine.
Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend
has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get
one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why.

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John
OBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons

 

We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of
these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite
method using a series of frames as a single png image with great
results.

 

If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:

http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=dee
pearth&changeSetId=37658#584181

(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)

 

John.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only
the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for
small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this
area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with
that approach. 

 


 

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien 
wrote:

Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this
site: http://www.iconfinder.net   as it has
good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for
commercial use. Even an API in there J

 

I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based
XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to
create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a
kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to
convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml
will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in
xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or
64x64px size.

 

John.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM 


To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I
can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer
by my side. 



I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you
do need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio -> xaml but it doesn't work on my
machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/
and forget about it ?

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RE: xaml icons

[Carl . Scarlett]

Don't get me wrong; I love being a devigner and wouldn't have it any
other way.

 

I -do- hate the word "devigner" though.  It makes us sound like a geeky
zealot or something.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:58 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: xaml icons

 

I've done Xaml icons in the past. I break out Expression Design and then
cut and paste them into Blend to get xaml versions. 

 

Embrace your inner Devigner. Don't resist it, or be ashamed. We're a
rare breed. We're the bridge between those who design but shall not code
and those coders with UI skills of a baby in a tumble dryer. :)

 

cheers,

Stephen

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM,  wrote:

I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid
resource).  If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them
out as icon files (using an addin).

 

But then again I'm a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn't take me
long to belt them out.

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM
To: 
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I
can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer
by my side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you
do need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio -> xaml but it doesn't work on my
machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
<http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/> 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/
and forget about it ?

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RE: xaml icons

[Carl . Scarlett]

I tend to use Icon Experience as a base for all my icons (paid
resource).  If I need to, I make alterations in Photoshop and save them
out as icon files (using an addin).

 

But then again I�m a devigner (*retches at term*) so it doesn�t take me
long to belt them out.

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:56 AM
To: 
Subject: xaml icons

 

Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons?  I
can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer
by my side.

I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you
do need something to convert :

http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx

I also had hopes for this visio -> xaml but it doesn't work on my
machine :
http://visioautomation.codeplex.com
<http://visioautomation.codeplex.com/> 

Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I
should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/
and forget about it ?

 
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RE: XAML Intellisense lost

[Carl . Scarlett]

One other issue I can think of that tends to affect things around the
XAML designer are the toolbox files (though I've only seen this affect
startup speed of Visual Studio, not crash intellisense).  

 

If you delete the tbd files from C:\Documents and
Settings\[userprofile]\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0, restart Visual Studio, then rebuild the
toolbox, the (loading speed) problem goes away.

 

It's a longshot, but it's a pretty harmless thing you could try.

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 12:21 PM
To: "'ozSilverlight'" 
Subject: RE: XAML Intellisense lost

 

I have found that the problem of the missing intellisense is
intermittent. It will occasionally start working again, but not very
often, and I can't find any pattern yet behind what's going on.

 

Surely I'm not alone in having a Silverlight/WPF designer in Visual
Studio 2008 what is broken to hell and back.

 

Besides the mostly broken intellisense, opening XAML in the designer
causes Visual Studio 2008 to randomly and frequently crash completely
with the "Send or Close" dialog. It will not response to the Close
button and I have to kill the devenv.exe task.

 

If VS2008 restarts and the XAML file was the last one open, it will
attempt to reopen it and crash immediately. I have to manually delete
the *.suo files and restart Visual Studio.

 

Ignoring the fact that the designer doesn't actually design anything at
all -- it's just a XAML editor -- the highly unstable experience makes
developing Silverlight in Visual Studio a living hell and nearly doubles
my development time. At Code Camps and evening SIG meetings I never hear
anyone complain about these sorts of issues.

 

I was wondering if the experience was better in Visual Studio 2010 RC,
but when I created a new Silverlight project it crashed immediately
before even loading the solution.

 

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RE: XAML Intellisense lost

[Carl . Scarlett]

Could it be this issue on Scott Guthrie's blog?

 

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2010/02/11/intellisense-crashing-
fix-for-vs-2010.aspx

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh

Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 11:05 AM
To: 
Subject: XAML Intellisense lost

 

Folks, after rebuilding my Win7 PC with Visual Studio 2010 and all of
the Silverlight dev kits and tools I have found that the XML/XAML
intellisense has vanished from Visual Studio. The XML/XAML is now as
dumb as plain text. Does anyone know how to get my intellisense back
again?

 

Greg


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RE: How to detect that a control is bound..

[Carl . Scarlett]

In WPF you can override the OnPropertyChanged event and wait until the
DataContext property comes through in the event args.  You can then
check e.NewValue to see what it's binding to.

 

I'm not sure if Silverlight implements this the same way though.

 

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

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E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
ton...@tpg.com.au
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 8:07 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: How to detect that a control is bound..

 

Hi all, 

I need to attach an event to a ViewModel object that is bound to a
control via DataContext. The 
problem is, I can't attach the event in the constructor because the
DataContext object has not 
been set at that point. So how do I attach that event if I want it to
execute code within the control? 
I can't seem to see an OnDataContextChanged event, or anything like
that. Does anyone know 
what I am supposed to do here? 

Regards, 
Tony 

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RE: Extension model in Blend

[Carl . Scarlett]

Jose,

 

Your blog has been quiet for a while; is it still at
http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/rss/josefajardo or have you moved?

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Fajardo 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 12:17 PM
To: "ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com" 
Subject: Extension model in Blend

 

Hey David,

I will blog about this soon BUT if you want to learn how to extend
Blend, go through the Microsoft.Extension.Prototyping* dll's. Sketchflow
was built using the private blend addin model.

I believe a future version of Blend will have a public extension model.
For now it's built your own plugins at your own risk..

Hit me up if you need some help working out how to do it all, or wait a
week or two when i finally get out a couple of posts explaining how it
works.

l8r


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Today's Topics:

   1. Addins in expression blend 3 (David Burela)
   2. Re: Addins in expression blend 3 (Jonas Folles?)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:20:02 +1100
From: David Burela 
Subject: Addins in expression blend 3
To: ozSilverlight 
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There doesn't seem to be too much information out there on creating
add-ins for expression blend.
The main add-ins that existed (unify, colourful expression, xaml editor)
are all still compiled for expression blend 2 but the add-in model
changed in blend 3, so looking at the source code on codeplex isn't a
help.

Anyone got some links to get started?
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:19:23 +0100
From: Jonas Folles? 
Subject: Re: Addins in expression blend 3
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Hi David,

I simply haven't found time to get my Colorful add-in up and running on
Expression 3.0.

You are right that the add-in modell changed. It was actually never
intended
as a "real" add-in modell, but something used by the expression team to
do
things like automated testing.

Anyways, your best bet is to fire up Reflector and start digging around.
I
did that some time back, and could find a bomunch of hooks that looks
interesting, so I am sure it is still possible to write add-ins.

Let us know if you find some useful information, as I still need to get
mine
updated to 3.0 :)

Good luck!

-jonas

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:20 AM, David Burela
wrote:

>  There doesn?t seem to be too much information out there on creating
> add-ins for expression blend.
>
> The main add-ins that existed (unify, colourful expression, xaml
editor)
> are all still compiled for expression blend 2 but the add-in model
changed
> in blend 3, so looking at the source code on codeplex isn?t a help.
>
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> Anyone got some links to get started?
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RE: sketchflow styles

[Carl . Scarlett]

I've noticed that Blend likes to make resources dynamic where static
will do.  It's probably some Blend strategy to make resources work in a
variety of circumstances.

 

Once we get to development, we find the XAML from the prototype doesn't
quite work with the production code and we have to tweak some things.
It's at this point that we ensure the resources are tied down so we don'
t get performance problems, memory leaks, etc.

 

[I should point out that the Blend vision of working a prototype through
to production code doesn't work with solutions of the scale that my
company works on.  Our prototypes are purely for design, discussion,
analysis, and documentation processes and most of the XAML gets thrown
away once the prototype is complete.]

 

Carl.

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Neimke 
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:53 AM
To: "ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com" 
Subject: RE: sketchflow styles

 

I wonder why those need to be DynamicResource's?  Is that just because
that's Blend's view of the world?

Kind Regards,
 
Darren Neimke
darren.nei...@live.com 



 



Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:24:32 +
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: sketchflow styles
From: vhu...@rediffmail.com

I understand now.  It is nothing special.  Just the fontfamily and
fontsize is inhereted from parent panel.

I created a new style very easily by copying one of the others from
SketchStyles.xaml.

This can be done I suppose for any UI element that doesn't have a
default sketch style :







On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:47:18 +0530 wrote
>I am doing a sketchflow prototypes and blend is now my friend since the
good advice the other day. Wpf but I dont think that matters much.
>
>I put a listview inside a tabcontrol / tabitem and the listview seems
to automatically inheret the sketchflow style from the tab or something.
It automatically using the sketchflow font etc for both the column
header and cells.
>
>I put a listview on other screen without a tabcontrol in the same
sketchflow project it doesn't automatically have the sketchflow style.
>
>I like it works automatically as this saves me from creating a style
and looks strange as default style when everything else is sketch.
>
>I tested and if I put a tabcontrol / item around the other listview it
has the sketch style.
>
>I wonder how / why this happens in a tabcontrol / tabitem and I wonder
how I can do it without a tabcontrol?
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RE: Xaml dependency

[Carl . Scarlett]

I agree with Stephen as far as adding and dragging using the objects
pane.  

 

Another tip when adding objects is to pin the container when adding a
heap of child controls.  On the objects pane, right click a container
(say a combo box) and select "Pin Active Container".  A yellow box will
surround the object in the objects pane and on the workspace.  Now you
can double click controls in the assets pane (say TextBlocks) and the
selection won't move to the newly added controls.  This lets you quickly
add a bunch of controls to the container.  Unpin the container when you'
re done.

 

Finally, try playing with the Alt and Ctrl keys when using the selection
tool.  Holding Ctrl while dragging on the workspace lets you multi
select.  Alt will let you drop into a container the mouse is over (there
will be on-screen tips for this).

 

Carl.

 

 

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[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Price 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2010 8:47 AM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: Re: Xaml dependency

 

As Carl has already said, , and as you have discovered, dragging things
around in the designer doesn't always put the object where you actually
want it in the visual tree. Dragging objects around will move the
position of the object by changing the top and left properties (if in a
canvas) or by changing margins (if in a grid). Its possible, but
difficult to get the object into the correct container. I think there
are some keys such as holding Alt while dragging to move the dragged
object into a container.

Its way easier to drag the object within the objects pane ("Objects and
Timeline" pane), and modifying properties in properties pane. 

My process of adding a new object, I select the target container in the
object pane then double click the object in the toolbox that I want to
add. This will add the object as the last object within the selected
container. then drag it (can drag it anywhere) up or down the visual
tree.

 

I don't think you are doing anything wrong, do what is fastest. I
sometimes put Blend in split view and copy and paste, or modify stuff in
the text view. Somethings are quicker if you look at the XAML. Grids
columns and rows for example is buried away three or so clicks away. 

 

As you use Blend more you will become more familiar with it and learn
what works best. After a while you don't see the XAML, you see blondes,
brunettes... ;)

cheers,

Stephen

 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Vishwanath Humpy 
wrote:

Who can help me?

Every time I use expression blend I find myself editing the xaml by hand
to quickly do what I want.

I have just started sketchflow prototypes.  I needed to add a tabcontrol
/ tabitem / listview / buttons.  I try hard using the designer but
nothing ends up where it should be and things end up in wrong container
and I fix it by editing the xaml.  This is ok because I like xaml.  But
I should be able to use the designer I think.

Is there any good training resource for self teaching?  Or if you are
good at xaml is it best to just keep doing it they way I have been?

 
 
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RE: Xaml dependency

[Carl . Scarlett]

The best technique I�ve found for editing in Blend (and Sketchflow) is
to use the properties pane for positioning.  If you drag controls
around, the XAML that gets produced is pretty dirty.  Instead, select
the control (either on screen or in the objects pane) then manipulate
position in the property pane (e.g., change the top/left margin
properties by either holding the mouse button and dragging or by
clicking and typing).

 

It�s good practice to use the property pane to manipulate settings for
when you are drawing into state.  Blend doesn�t pick up changes from
typing XAML when recording; only from the property pane.  Also, delete
controls from the objects pane rather than deleting XAML text otherwise
Blend won�t update Visual States involved and Blend will fall over when
you run (or, if you�re lucky, it will tell you the XAML is invalid).

 

There are certain conditions when editing in XAML is fine.  Tweaking
values (if not drawing into state) and reordering controls works as you
would expect.

 

Once you get a little experience, you�ll learn some techniques and you�
ll discover what you can get away with.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath
Humpy 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2010 8:06 AM
To: 
Subject: Xaml dependency

 

Who can help me?

Every time I use expression blend I find myself editing the xaml by hand
to quickly do what I want.

I have just started sketchflow prototypes.  I needed to add a tabcontrol
/ tabitem / listview / buttons.  I try hard using the designer but
nothing ends up where it should be and things end up in wrong container
and I fix it by editing the xaml.  This is ok because I like xaml.  But
I should be able to use the designer I think.

Is there any good training resource for self teaching?  Or if you are
good at xaml is it best to just keep doing it they way I have been?

 
 
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RE: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility

[Carl . Scarlett]

While we're making noise, can we please scream for Silverlight on
Windows Mobile?  I know it's coming in WM7, but MS said that about the
last 2 releases of WM.  

 

It's highly frustrating that we have to invest in standard WM
development when most of our code is going in the bin once Silverlight
finally appears on WM.

 

I love Microsoft, but this is beyond being fashionably late!

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barnes 
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight 
Subject: RE: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility

 

Your blogs or contact folks in Microsoft in general. More noise gets
made, more people inside start to panic a little.

 

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:36 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility

 

Where can we vote or make some noise to push this forward?

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:

heh i've had this email forwarded to me 3 times since you guys wrote
this, as a few people inside Microsoft know my internal struggle to get
this entire site deleted and redone (and are like "dude, you will just
cry or laugh"). It's actually 1000th cut for me and was one of the major
contributing reasons as to why I quit the Silverlight team was this site
and the constant amount of incompetence I witnessed at its creation.
It's doing us all absolutely no favors in both being informative and at
the same time helping the friction associated with installing
Silverlight and i highlighted this with analytics to back it to the
teams. It's a known problem is my point yet 4 months still, nothing.

 

This (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mossyblog/4238051115/sizes/l/) is a
temporary redesign I did for the experience, but it was rejected due to
ego/politics getting in the way - my last manager and I just didn't see
eye to eye on the direction of what i had already established and was
about to establish in terms of digital marketing for Silverlight
(twitter, websites etc).

 

There are really three modes of installation here for end users:

 

. Officially Supported - 
Your Operating System/Device and Browser meets the required conditions
for Silverlight. Please proceed.

. Un-Officially Supported - 
Your Operating System and/or Browser aren't officially supported but we
all kind of know it works (i.e. Chrome browser for example).

. Technically not supported - 
Your device/browser just can't handle Silverlight. You can download the
exe/dmg file direct if you like, but basically you're on your own
(iPhone etc).

 

It's actually quite a simplistic amount of code and Tim Heuer, Scott
Hansleman and I worked on the code base I sent to the team before I
left, so it should be an easy fix and was ready for release (had some
testing gates to go through but they would of been a walk in the park).

 

Anyway, i know ScottGu and few others have raised concerns over this
page, and this is probably the 9th instance of this situation flaring up
but still falling on deaf ears. I tried to get it changed when i was in
the actual team that owns the problem and couldn't get anything done so
i think leading up to SL4 most will have to wait until after MIX or
around MIX before you see any movement here at the very least. This
thread could spur things along, but doubtful.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Madero
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:17 AM 


To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility

 

I just tried opening a Silverlight 3.0 website on my Ubuntu machine.
Apparently I already have an old version of Moonlight 2.0. The
experience is embarassing to say the least. Wrong instructions, hideous
looking website and the worst of all, the uninstall experience is awful.
This is a glance of what your linux customers will experience:



The typical Install experience. This might be customizable for your own
site. 




According to the text there's suppose to be a "Click to Install" button.
There's no button or link saying "Click to Install". There's something
that doesn't look like a link but it's the link that after some
redirect's took take me to "http://go-mono.com/moonlight/";. 




This looks much nicer. Something like what I would expect. Although it's
really confusing that the Microsoft site doesn't mention moonlight, mono
or Novell, but we could probably live with that (or I mean, our users
might just decide to ignore that and install anyway assuming they're
still on a Microsoft site or they also trust that other party). 

After that page. There's another with a direct link to the plugin and
the installation takes 2 seconds, restarts the brower and restarts FF
reopening all of the pages that I'd open. However,

Carl Scarlett is out of the office.

[Carl . Scarlett]

I will be out of the office starting 21/11/2009 and will not return until
14/12/2009.

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(Blend 3) Behaviours in ContentTemplate Triggers?

[Carl . Scarlett]

Hi all,

 

I'm loving behaviours and states in Blend 3.  Typically I'm using the
GoToStateAction behaviour to go to a state when an action occurs.

 

I've hit a snag with ControlTemplate triggers though.  Blend lets me
define states in the ControlTemplate, but I can't work out how to assign
the behaviour to use them.

 

Here's my scenario:  I've created a Style for a RadioButton with a
ControlTemplate that contains two Borders (called "Checked" and
"Unchecked") wrapped in a grid.  Previously I've used a
ControlTemplate.Trigger on IsChecked = True to change the opacity of the
borders to display the relevant visual.  I now want to use state
transitions to provide an easing between the two states.

 

In the ControlTemplate I can create the states IsChecked and IsUnchecked
(in a state group called "ChangeCheckState") as normal.  However, there'
s nowhere to drag the GoToStateAction to the ControlTemplate.Trigger.
Obviously this is doing it wrong.

 

My only option at this stage is to define my own storyboards to activate
when the IsChecked trigger occurs.  I really want to just let the state
transition handle it for me instead though, because it's a lot easier to
use than getting up to my elbows in storyboard maintenance.

 

Is there any way to use behaviors to perform the easing for me in this
situation?

 

Here's some code:

 



 

  <Setter Property="Template">

<Setter.Value>

  <ControlTemplate TargetType="{x:Type RadioButton}" >

  

<Grid>

  <VisualStateManager.VisualStateGroups>

<VisualStateGroup
x:Name="ChangeCheckState">

  <VisualStateGroup.Transitions>

<VisualTransition
GeneratedDuration="00:00:00.200"/>

 
</VisualStateGroup.Transitions>

  <VisualState
x:Name="IsChecked">

<Storyboard>

 
<DoubleAnimationUsingKeyFrames BeginTime="00:00:00"
Duration="00:00:00.001" Storyboard.TargetName="Checked"
Storyboard.TargetProperty="(UIElement.Opacity)">

 
<SplineDoubleKeyFrame KeyTime="00:00:00" Value="1"/>

 
</DoubleAnimationUsingKeyFrames>

 
<DoubleAnimationUsingKeyFrames BeginTime="00:00:00"
Duration="00:00:00.001" Storyboard.TargetName="Unchecked"
Storyboard.TargetProperty="(UIElement.Opacity)">

 
<SplineDoubleKeyFrame KeyTime="00:00:00" Value="0"/>

 
</DoubleAnimationUsingKeyFrames>

</Storyboard>

  </VisualState>

  <VisualState
x:Name="IsUnchecked"/>

</VisualStateGroup>

  </VisualStateManager.VisualStateGroups>

  <Border x:Name="Checked" Opacity="0" >

<!--Content-->

  </Border>

  <Border x:Name="Unchecked">

<!--Content-->

  </Border>

</Grid>



<ControlTemplate.Triggers>

  <Trigger Property="IsChecked"
Value="True">

<Setter TargetName="Checked"
Property="Opacity" Value="1" />

<Setter TargetName="Unchecked"
Property="Opacity" Value="0" />

  </Trigger>

  <Trigger Property="IsChecked"
Value="False">

<Setter TargetName="Checked"
Property="Opacity" Value="0" />

<Setter TargetName="Unchecked"
Property="Opacity" Value="1" />

  </Trigger>

</ControlTemplate.Triggers>

 

  </ControlTemplate>

</Setter.Value>

  </Setter>

  



 

Cheers,

Carl.

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 

RE: WCF information panel

[Carl . Scarlett]

I'm not sure about the capabilities of Silverlight in this area, but
couldn't you write to Debug.Trace when you swallow the exception and
attach a listener in your Silverlight app?  If you can, you could even
use existing tools like DebugView to check you're capturing all the
messages as they occur.

 

Carl.

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John
OBrien 
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 12:05 PM
To: 
Subject: WCF information panel

 

I want to build an informational panel for Silverlight to report on
exactly what is happening with WCF data requests, any suggestions?

 

The idea is a power user could expand this panel to identify things
like:

. Outstanding requests

. Failed requests + reason

. Executing time

. number of records returned

. size of the data

 

I'm developing a map application where we show a tonne of data from many
sources the admin configures. Currently we give them no feedback and
swallow the errors. You may recall I've asked about reporting
Silverlight errors back to the server previously, this could extend that
with more informative data. In development we rely on Fiddler to get
this info.

 

I've done something like this in JavaScript before (actually throttling
requests) by overriding the AJAX HTTPRequest method so this would all
happen without changes to the actual web service calls. Any ideas on
where to start in Silverlight? Has anyone done something similar
already?

 

John.


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RE: Wait for multiple Async calls to finish (SL3)

[Carl . Scarlett]

Awesome.  Thanks heaps Jake!

 

Carl Scarlett

Senior .NET/WPF Developer - Genesis Team

IT Applications Delivery | bankwest

A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004

P: (08) 9449 8703

M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jake Ginnivan

Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 4:32 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Wait for multiple Async calls to finish (SL3)

 

http://themechanicalbride.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-rx-linq-to-ev
ents.html

 

Have a look at this, the Silverlight team use it in their unit testing.
I still have not used it yet, but really keen to dive in and use this
stuff.

 

Jake Ginnivan

IT Coordinator

 

ioGlobal Pty Ltd.

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www.ioglobal.net <http://www.ioglobal.net/> 

 

From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 3:49 PM
To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Wait for multiple Async calls to finish (SL3)

 

Any one knows a better / cleaner way to do this than:

http://silverlight.net/forums/t/12437.aspx
http://silverlight.net/forums/t/72631.aspx

I have already dumped daisy-chaining of calls in favor of multiple async
calls with a boolean flag for each. 
After calling all the async operations, I am using a DispatcherTimer
ticker event to poll if all the flags have been set.
Works like a charm, and a huge improvement in performance and
readability over the chaining. But still not the perfect solution.

I couldn't get this one to work:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/811855/threading-multiple-async-calls
-silverlight
The thread sleeps for ever on the 1st .waitone call.

Any ideas?



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RE: SDDN Sydney August Meeting

[Carl . Scarlett]

Haven't you switched to Expression 3 yet?  *grin*

 

Carl.

 

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M: 0408 913 870

E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au

 

 

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[mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight

Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2009 7:32 AM
To: "ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com" 
Subject: RE: SDDN Sydney August Meeting

 

Oops, I think I borked it - seems to work in IE though :) I'll fix it up
ASAP.

 

From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2009 12:36 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: SDDN Sydney August Meeting

 

Hi Greg, 

Thanks for letting me know. Sorry about that. We'll be updating the site
soon. 

See you there. 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Gregory Koulax 
wrote:

Hi Miguel,

 

The registration tool is out of order?

 

 

 

Regards,

GREGORY KOULAX | Principal

 

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[mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero
Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2009 12:08 AM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: SDDN Sydney August Meeting

 

Just a reminder of todays meeting. Jose will be talking about
Interactivity and Experience and Chris will lead a discussion on User
Experience Design. You can't miss it. 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Miguel Madero 
wrote:

This month Jose Fajardo
<http://cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/josefajardo>  from Cynergy Systems
<http://cynergysystems.com/>  will talk on "Don't lose site of what's
important, Interactivity and Experience" at the Crown Hotel. Here are
all the details: 

Crown Hotel 
162 Elizabeth St 
Sydney 
August 4th. 6:00 pm for drinks, 6:30 for the talk 
Use the registration tool on the top of the SDDN Site
<http://www.sddn.org.au/> .

 

In our last couple of meetings we had low assistance and we might need
an extra help to promote the meetings. I know there are a lot of
Silverlight Developers out there and I think they can benefit from
attending the User Group. Please help us spread the word. 

Also if you have any suggestions for this or future events, please let
us know. 

 

For details about the talk, go here
<http://miguelmadero.blogspot.com/2009/07/silverlight-designer-and-devel
oper.html> 



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