FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Gary Sibio
Hi,

I just put up my Vivitar 100mm f:3.5 auto-focus macro lens for sale on 
Ebay. Here's the link if you are interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2953740831



Gary J Sibio
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Re: Pop Photo reviews the film *ist

2003-09-25 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 25.09.03 1:01, Bill Owens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The latest issue arrived yesterday with a very thorough review of the film
 *ist.  According to them, it's a very nice camera for the money.  Biggest
 gripe was no flash confirmation.
Maybe there was no flash confirmation with built-in flash? But apparently
only external dedicated flah units enable proper flash exposure confirmation
in viewfinder.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: Pop Photo reviews the film *ist

2003-09-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Bill wrote:

BO The latest issue arrived yesterday with a very thorough review of the film
BO *ist.  According to them, it's a very nice camera for the money.

  The key word is indeed for the money.
  To quote a friend: I peeked at the corners of the viewfinder and
  there it was a jumbel of wires, coarse pentamirror edges... this is
  how it's supposed to look a well finished body!?.

BO Biggest gripe was no flash confirmation.

  Flash exposure is confirmed with external flash units, but not with
  the integrated flash.
 
  Servus,  Alin



Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D

2003-09-25 Thread Alin Flaider

Pentax published:
 Its simple, functional design, coupled with the elimination of an
  aperture ring, considerably improves the camera's operability.

Rob wrote:
RB So the elimination of the aperture lens actually improves operation?

  Yeah, along this line we can expect the next step to be the
  elimination of focus ring. After all, who cares anymore to adjust
  focus within a range of just 30 degrees!? Besides, the external focus
  ring only interferes with normal autofocus operation, lenses can be
  better built without it, will be better sealed, and of course
  cheaper. And for that manual focus breed closing to extinction anyway,
  the top of the line Pentax body will offer an additional two buttons
  control for precise focus adjustment...
  :oT
 
  Servus,  Alin



Re: Portrait Lens Question

2003-09-25 Thread Sas Gbor (Fornax)
Hello,

b_rubenstein wrote:
 DOF is dependent on the set aperture and focal length of the 
 lens only. This 
 is why a 50mm lens has the same DOF, for a given f-stop, on a 
 film or partial frame DSLR.

Not really...
DOF is only dependent on two things:
- actual aperture
- magnification ratio (which is dependent on focal length AND distance)

This is why a 50mm lens has the same DOF, for a given f-stop, on a 
film or partial frame DSLR ... IF the subject appears to be the same 
portion of the image.


Chris Brogden wrote:
 How do you account for the fact that ps digital cameras can 
 still blur the background for some portrait shots?  

Unfortunatelly this is not typical, to say the least... :-(((


Gabor



Re: Pop Photo reviews the film *ist

2003-09-25 Thread Johan Uiterwijk Winkel
Brendan wrote:

Doesn't it have flash confirmation? the lil flash
thing blinks alot to confirm it worked? right?


I don't know. To save batteries and have a more powerfull flash i've 
never used the build in one. The external has got a flash conformation. 
But let's take a look at the manual.

Nope, the manual also does not mention flash confirmation. (Maybe only 
for the external flashes AF360FGZ,AF500FTZ,AF330FTZ, when 
'blitsbestatigung (German)' is the same as 

flash confirmation.)

Bye.

Johan.

--- Johan Uiterwijk Winkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Bill
Owens wrote:
 

The latest issue arrived yesterday with a very
 

thorough review of the film
   

*ist.  According to them, it's a very nice camera
 

for the money.  Biggest
   

gripe was no flash confirmation.

Bill





 

Has anybody scanned this article, I would be glad to
read it .
Johan Uiterwijk Winkel.

   

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Re: Favorite light meter?

2003-09-25 Thread dagt
 Fra: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: J. C. O'Connell 
 
  why not put it in manual and set shutter speed
  approx what you think you will need.
  Then fire test shots adjusting fstop until image
  looks right on LCD?
 
 So much for the concept of decisive moment.
 

Which reminds me of Cartier-Bresson, the real expert on decisive moments, and who 
didn't have a light meter at all :-)

DagT



Re: Discontinue of the FA* 2.8/80-200

2003-09-25 Thread Cotty
On 24/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

PS: I really cannot understand why there's a bodycap for the
*Ist D listed on its own... is it any different from the usual K
mount one??

No aperture ring ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Keith Whaley
Really sorry to hear that, Mark.  I have two of my own.

keith whaley

Mark Cassino wrote:
 
 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.
 
 Rest in peace, Pandora.
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html
 
 - MCC
 -
 Mark Cassino
 Kalamazoo, MI
 -
 
 Photography:
 
 http://www.markcassino.com



Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread frank theriault
Sorry to hear that, Mark.  She was a beautiful cat, and I'm sure, a great
companion to you and your family.

regards,
frank

Mark Cassino wrote:

 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

 Rest in peace, Pandora.

 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html

 - MCC
 -
 Mark Cassino
 Kalamazoo, MI
 -

 Photography:

 http://www.markcassino.com

--
What a senseless waste of human life
-The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch




Re: Emptying batteries

2003-09-25 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 As Frits and maybe others (I'm on digest) have mentioned, NiCad's
 respond well to this sort of treatment. It keeps them at best
 performance vs use, and prevents the dreaded 'memory' effect.

I think you mean the nonexistent memory effect.  :-)  There is an
enormous amount of misinformation floating about concerning NiCd (and
NiMH) cells, but the low-down is this:

The memory effect has been demonstrated, but it's not easy to
achieve.  You need to discharge the pack to the exact same level many
times in a row to do it.  After a large number of such charge cycles,
you then try to discharge beyond that level -- and you will see a
marked voltage drop as you pass it.  Modern cells probably aren't
susceptible to it anyway: it's been decades since this was discovered,
and that was in a solar powered satellite, which is why the repeated,
exactly equivalent discharges came about.

A related issue is voltage depression due to lengthy overcharging.
This shows up when a pack has been on a slow charger for a very long
time (like, say, in a portable device that's always hooked up to the
mains, so the battery pack is being continuously charged).  After
sufficient such abuse, the pack will be found to supply power at a
lower than normal voltage when you try to use it.

Both of these conditions (memory effect and voltage depression) are
repaired in the same way: one full discharge/recharge cycle.

In normal use, both NiCd and NiMH should be treated the same way:
charge them and use them as you see fit, but try not to leave them
connected to a charger forever, and try to remember to run them down
in a controlled fashion now and then (say, every three or four
months), to reassure yourself that they're still working well.  When
you do this, and discover that the pack lasts a significantly shorter
time than it used to, it's time to replace it before it fails on you
at a time of its own choosing.

Both types of cell have limitations on the useful life you can expect,
in calendar time number of discharge/recharge cycles.  (Note that if
you discharge and recharge needlessly, you're using up battery life!)

For more information about rechargeable batteries, check out Red
Scholefield's excellent web site at http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/.

-tih
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Asking for help/critique

2003-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I am studying my new F 85/2.8 soft, thanks to Bruce Dayton. Here is a 
picture which I think I just spoiled -

http://www.usefilm.com/image/212782.html

Some of the people who saw it really liked it, but I don't quite like 
it. I think that there is too much light leaked through the trees.

I would appreciate it you looked at it and told me what you think. But 
please be honest and if need be brutal. I do want to know how to 
improve it.

Thanks.

Boris



Re: P30 and AF201SA

2003-09-25 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I would suggest that it works the same way; that the aperture and speed will
be set automatically in AE mode. But if you have the shutter set below 1/100
it will not be changed - apparently. The P30 film speed is ISO 100 without a
film in the camera. But why not just put one in? Or an empty cassette? I
usually keep a few of those around -- useful for checking the meters of my
P30s (I have three of them now) against a hand held meter.

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: P30 and AF201SA


 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote:

  In programmed AE mode the camera will be set to 1/100 and the aperture
will
  also be set according to where you have the switch - Red, Green or
Yellow .
  But this information applies to the AF200SA since the 201 was probably
not
  yet on the market at the time the P30 manual was written.

 Thanks :-(

 The AF201SA does not have Red or Yellow, just Auto. I thought that the
 A in the name would mean that it sets aperture and speed :-(

 My hope is that the P30 gets confused because it's not loaded with
 film, does not have an ISO number and plays up. Plausible?

 I may load it at some point (but the ME Super I am waiting through the
 post takes priority now).

 Thanks,
 Kostas





Re: On Topic:Finally got one

2003-09-25 Thread brooksdj
That, or the 55mm, and the AF400 flash and bracket, and i should be set for quite a 
while.

Dave  

 
 Woo hoo indeed.  Nice lens for a good price.  Now all you need is a 45mm
 and you're set to go.  :)
 
 chris
 
 
 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952229482category=30075rd=1
 
  After months of sniped frustration,i got something i wanted.Now i can get a bit 
  closer
to
  the fall colours
  when i head up north for our ThanksGiving weekend.
 
  They were going for $499 Can and up locally,so i think i got a half decent deal,and
its
a
  real brick and
  mortar store too.
 
  Whoo Hoo
 
  Brother Dave
 
 
 






Re: SMC Pentax-FAJ 75-300

2003-09-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Johan wrote:

JUW Hmmm, didn't know that. What is a good picture to check the lens quality ?

  Personally I would prefer a medium tone, fine shade, high detail
  image. Your iguana in diffuse light would do fine. I learned some
  time ago that saturation and high contrast tend to mask the
  difference between good and lesser glass at moderate enlargement.
  This may be due to the modern design of entry level lenses. It
  favours high contrast (10 lpm curves in MTF charts) but performance
  drops spectacularly at higher resolutions. Better lenses may not
  appear as contrasty but resolve finer shades and keep up with
  higher enlargements. 
 
  Servus,  Alin



Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-25 Thread Lon Williamson
Perspicacious, eh?  Sweaty?  grin.
No one's mentioned photography's magic dirty little
secret:  What you choose to show is vital.  What percentage
of your shots would you show on PUG, for example?
For me, right now, selecting shots to scan/keep is
the real magic.  I mean, you should see some of the
rejects.
mike wilson wrote:
Hi Frank,

You wrote:


First, I think one should remember that one doesn't simply become an artist.
It's a journey;  an ongoing process.  Especially with photography, where anyone
can pick up a point and shoot and snap a pic, it's possible that art can be
(even unwittingly) produced with no thought whatsoever.  The thing about the
monkeys at the typewriters eventually doing Shakespeare's plays applies much
more so to photography.  I daresay that a chimp with an automatic camera may
eventually take a meaningful photograph, even without knowing what they're
doing.  Does that make the photograph in question any less art than any other
photograph?  I don't think so.


So, you like fishing then?  Because that's a bigger jar of worms you've
opened there than even film vs digital as Bob W. has so well
illustrated.  I am really looking forward to some of the responses from
the more perspicacious members of this list.
mike

p.s. this email is a work of art.






Re: Favorite light meter?

2003-09-25 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From:
Subject: Re: Favorite light meter?



 Which reminds me of Cartier-Bresson, the real expert on decisive
moments, and who didn't have a light meter at all :-)

He must of been using some of that really long range film. There is no way
that a picture can work if it hasn't been metered to death.
HAR!!
WW



Re: On Topic:Finally got one

2003-09-25 Thread brooksdj
Thanks Frank.
If the weather fairy is on my side THIS year,i should have a few rolls of E100VS ,and i
liked what i saw 
in the Fuji NPS 160 for neg's, to show.Hopefully we can all get together prior to your
move in the near 
future.Should be free the majority of Oct now that show season has ground down to a 
dull
roar.

Dave

 Woo Hoo!  Nice looking lens, Dave!!  You'll have lots of 
nice fall colours to show us at

 the next TOPDML.
 
 Good score.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952229482category=30075rd=1
 
  After months of sniped frustration,i got something i wanted.Now i can get a bit 
  closer
to
  the fall colours
  when i head up north for our ThanksGiving weekend.
 
  They were going for $499 Can and up locally,so i think i got a half decent deal,and
its
a
  real brick and
  mortar store too.
 
  Whoo Hoo
 
  Brother Dave
 
 --
 What a senseless waste of human life
 -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
 
 






Re: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread Lon Williamson
Factor in the usual shipping and I think the lens you're looking
at is in the ballpark.  You can spend wait too much time waiting for
bargains.
frank theriault wrote:
Thanks Bill, and everyone else who answered/commented on my post.

The concensus seems that it's a nice lens, but the price is a bit steepish.
I'll see if I can get them down a bit.  If they won't, I know they're not a
rare lens, so I can wait.
thanks again,
frank
William Robb wrote:


I think thats a bit high, especially since Pentax is no longer supporting
the mount (you can use this as a bargaining tool, perhaps.
Of all the 50mm lenses I have, I like the M f/1.4 just about the best. I do
like the K better overall, but the M is a really nice little optic.
William Robb


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What a senseless waste of human life
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Re: On Topic:Finally got one

2003-09-25 Thread brooksdj
Brother Bruce.
I sure will.Your been patient with all my quiries,this is the least i can dog
I was actually after a 165 f2.8 but saw this and his BIN was $249 US,fiqured he wanted
around 200-
225,did some checking on KEH and Henrys and the bin prices was even cheaper.
The seller has been around since 1981 in Ottawa Canada and gave me a good rely to my 
email
quiries.
Now to save for a 45 or 55mm and the flash and bracket.

Oh and here in lies a question.Is the 6x7 set up mainly for the af400 or could i use my
af280t and a 
stobo frame bracket type of thing.I quess it could with the LS and the proper off 
camera
modules and 
cable

Brother Dave

 Brother Dave,
 
 Congrats!  I have thought about that particular lens.  I would be very
 curious to know how tight of a head shot you can get at closest focus
 without the use of tubes.  When you get a chance, let me know.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Bruce
 
 
 
 Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 3:32:39 AM, you wrote:
 
 
   
 bcin 
 http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952229482category=30075rd=1
 
 bcin After months of sniped frustration,i got something i wanted.Now i can get a bit
closer to
 bcin the fall colours 
 bcin when i head up north for our ThanksGiving weekend.
 
 bcin They were going for $499 Can and up locally,so i think i got a half decent
deal,and
its a
 bcin real brick and 
 bcin mortar store too.
 
 bcin Whoo Hoo
 
 bcin Brother Dave
 






Lending lenses Was: Re: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Brogden

Over a 1.4, eh?  That's a tough one.  You don't really gain that much in
terms of lens speed, and the size and weight goes up.  I upgraded from a
1.4 because I felt like I was just missing handholdable speeds in low
light.

I'm ok with just lending it to you, so you don't need to send me anything
in return.  If you have a weird or different lens that you'd be ok with
lending out for a week or so, let me know, and I'll take you up on the
offer.

If you send your address to me off-list, I'll try to get the lens in the
mail to you this weekend.

chris



On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, William Johnson wrote:

 Wow, that would be cool.  I've been wanting to try one out to see if I can
 justify buying one to use over my 1.4's.

 What would you like in exchange?

 William in Utah.
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 PM
 Subject: Re: M 1.4 50mm question


 
  If you want to try mine out for a couple of weeks, let me know and I'll
  send it down to you.
 
  chris
 
 
  On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, William Johnson wrote:
 
   I'd sure like a K50/1.2 to evaluate though!
 
 




Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Brogden

Sorry to hear that, Mark.  I'm glad you have photos to remember her by.

chris


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Mark Cassino wrote:

 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

 Rest in peace, Pandora.

 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html



MX

2003-09-25 Thread Larry Levy
Hi,

With all the enconia about the MX, and having seen one at a reasonable price
(around $100 for a mint-looking body), I put it on hold until the seller can
get a battery so that I can see how well the meter works. Thus far, it's
taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
wondering about this specific deal?

Larry



RE: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Sep 2003 at 19:18, Paul Ewins wrote:

 Why? Which system do you think will retain aperture rings? Or is it the
 DA lenses that worry you - as the Canon and Nikon equivalents probably
 worry their users.

If I have to make the choice between systems without aperture rings (which it 
looks like will be the case) it sure isn't going to be Pentax, not at this 
rate.

If they'd let us know of their true intents earlier I could have made a 
rational decision and I could have sold my glass and bought new kit with little 
loss. There's no way to soften the blow now that the relationship between the 
AUD and USD is changing rapidly. (Let alone the very apparent depression in the 
second hand prices of Pentax glass)

Bottom line I don't wish to be using film in small format cameras, I need ultra-
wide angle lenses. I'm not going to invest in more Pentax glass and a DSLR with 
crippled mount to get where I need to go.

Couldn't be more basic.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Favorite light meter?

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Sep 2003 at 9:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which reminds me of Cartier-Bresson, the real expert on decisive moments, and
 who didn't have a light meter at all :-)

Who by all accounts produced some pretty poor negs for the master printers he 
employed.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 25.09.03 12:54, Mark Cassino at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.
 
 Rest in peace, Pandora.
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html
Sorry to hear that Mark - from the photograph i think she was very nice cat.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




RE: MX

2003-09-25 Thread Hans Beumer
They are about the most common you can get. It takes two 1,5 volt batteries.
Type S76 (silver oxide), but one CR-1/3N (3 volts) also does the job. Every
drugstore or fotoshop should have lots of them. So it's a little strange
that you must wait weeks! 5 minutes tops should be enough!
regards, Hans B.


mail to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Larry Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: donderdag 25 september 2003 15:42
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: MX


Hi,

With all the enconia about the MX, and having seen one at a reasonable price
(around $100 for a mint-looking body), I put it on hold until the seller can
get a battery so that I can see how well the meter works. Thus far, it's
taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
wondering about this specific deal?

Larry




Re: MX

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Brogden

The MX uses the very common 76-series battery (eg. S76, KS76, etc.) which
is used in most MF SLRs.  Any camera store or Radio Shack should have them
in stock.  Don't worry about availability.

chris


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Larry Levy wrote:

 Hi,

 With all the enconia about the MX, and having seen one at a reasonable price
 (around $100 for a mint-looking body), I put it on hold until the seller can
 get a battery so that I can see how well the meter works. Thus far, it's
 taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
 difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
 wondering about this specific deal?

 Larry




Re: What are the symptoms of the sticky mirror syndrome?

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 Sep 2003 at 9:00, mike wilson wrote:

 There are at least two forms of sticky mirror.  There is the type
 where it sticks to the bumper foam at the top of its stroke and the form
 where it sticks to its rests at the bottom.  Associated with the latter
 is not focusing at infinity/out-of-focus on film when in-focus in
 viewfinder, which can exist all on its own.

Don't forget the expensive to replace bumpers in the guts of the mirror-box 
assembly.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Lewis Matthew
Sympathy from me and sad meows from Fuji and Dubbie.

Lewis


I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then 
this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor, 
unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was 
running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably heartworms. 
 Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

Rest in peace, Pandora.
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Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Andre Langevin
Gary, I prefer to look for myself what I am interested to, than being 
told to look at aunctions.  In my book, this is close to spam.

Thanks,

Andre

i,

I just put up my Vivitar 100mm f:3.5 auto-focus macro lens for sale 
on Ebay. Here's the link if you are interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2953740831



Gary J Sibio
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~garysibio/
You know you're having a bad day when Elton John rewrites the lyrics 
to Candle in the Wind for you.


--



Re: MX

2003-09-25 Thread john bailey
Larry,

Could be.  When I bought a used MX I had to replace the original battery 
(1 piece) with two button batteries.
Unfortunately, I put them in with +/- reversed and burned out the meter.

taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
wondering about this specific deal?
Larry

 





Re: Photography Exhibit

2003-09-25 Thread Peter Jordan
I saw a version of this exhibit in Kendal a couple of weeks ago and can
testify that it is definitely worth a visit.

There are some awesome shots there.

Peter
- Original Message -
From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kenneth R. Waller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: Photography Exhibit


 For anyone planning on being in the Detroit, Michigan (USA) area in the
next
 few months, the Detroit Zoo is once again hosting a travelling exhibit of
 the BG Wildlife Photographer of the Year.  This is the contest put on by
BBC
 Wildlife Magazine, displayed at the London Museum of Natural History, and
 underwritten by the BG Group.

 http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wildwin/2002/

 In the past, the 90 or so finalists were displayed at the Zoo as mounted
 prints, in sizes averaging about 16 x 20, with the winners being shown
at
 24 x 30 or thereabouts.  This year, they are displaying the photos as they
 are seen at the host museum, as large transparencies mounted in light
boxes.
 The two winning photos are displayed at around 3 ft x 5 ft.

 This is truly a stunning exhibit if you have any interest in Nature
 Photography, or just photography in general. It's well worth the admission
 price of US$9. It will be here until January 18, 2004.





Re: OT: Processing woes

2003-09-25 Thread kwaller
My experience has been the same as Marks, on the few
times when I thought my mailed film was lost, it did
eventually appear. I don't mail process anymore but
over the years I've mail processed hundreds of rolls to
several processors and have never had one lost.
If your film is lost there's a good chance someone
else has got it by mistake and is trying to get his
back.
One hilarious incident occurred years ago when I mail
processed film taken on my honeymoon trip. When I got
the film back, interspersed among my images were shot
of a great looking female in various states of undress
taken by some one else.


Kenneth Waller


On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:14:13 +0100, mike wilson wrote:

 Mark wrote:
 
  To this date, nothing I've mailed has been lost
 forever - so hang in there, they may
  just be late.
 
 Late has more than one meaning... 8-{
 
 I think at least part of the problem is that I live in
 Washington - the
 original one in North East England.  Although I
 (usually) put UK in the
 address and the labs do not post to America,
apparently
 there is a
 possibility that they could be reposted to the USA
from
 the UK
 distribution point.  Which is not run by Kodak.
 
 Although I prefer Kodak products for a number of
 reasons, it is this
 sort of unnnecessary outsourcing that is making it
very
 hard to do
 business with it.
 
 Thanks for trying to cheer me up.  I'll let you know
if
 it has worked
 later.. *-)
 
 mike

Ken Waller

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Re: P30 and AF201SA

2003-09-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote:

 I would suggest that it works the same way; that the aperture and speed will
 be set automatically in AE mode.

The P30 does not have AE, only P and Manual. In P (even without the
flash) the shutter setting is irrelevant; the camera does as it
pleases (but tells you what it thinks).

 The P30 film speed is ISO 100 without a
 film in the camera. But why not just put one in? Or an empty cassette?

I don't do my own processing, so I don't have empty cassettes. But
what I can do is put one in and then move it to another camera if I
don't shoot; it's the DX that I want to get.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Kostas



MX battery misshap

2003-09-25 Thread john bailey
Hello,

I think when I put in the batteries into my MX I put them in backwards 
and killed the light meter.
Can anyone confirm this for me?

Thanks,

~jmb~




Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Stoddart

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Andre Langevin wrote:

 Gary, I prefer to look for myself what I am interested to, than being
 told to look at aunctions.  In my book, this is close to spam.

Andre

I don't know how long you have been on this list, but for a while now
it's been considered quite acceptable for list members to suggest
links to their own ebay auctions (especially if it's Pentax stuff, but
people have provided links to everything from Leicas to large-format
cameras they are selling). What is more problematic is people providing
links to stuff they aren't selling (yes, let's not go there again guys).

Since Gary is a list member who is a) selling the Vivitar and b) it's PK
mount, he's IMHO well on topic and doing nothing wrong.

Chris







FS - last call

2003-09-25 Thread Cotty
2 auctions of mine entering their last 24 hours shortly, last post on the
subject.

Tokina 28-70 f/2.8:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952021694

Leica CL:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952024579


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then 
this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor, 
unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was 
running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably 
heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

Rest in peace, Pandora.

http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html

Sorry to read of that Mark. Commiserations.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Emptying batteries

2003-09-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

I think you mean the nonexistent memory effect.  :-)  There is an
enormous amount of misinformation floating about concerning NiCd (and
NiMH) cells, but the low-down is this:

The memory effect has been demonstrated, but it's not easy to
achieve.  You need to discharge the pack to the exact same level many
times in a row to do it.  After a large number of such charge cycles,
you then try to discharge beyond that level -- and you will see a
marked voltage drop as you pass it.  Modern cells probably aren't
susceptible to it anyway: it's been decades since this was discovered,
and that was in a solar powered satellite, which is why the repeated,
exactly equivalent discharges came about.

A related issue is voltage depression due to lengthy overcharging.
This shows up when a pack has been on a slow charger for a very long
time (like, say, in a portable device that's always hooked up to the
mains, so the battery pack is being continuously charged).  After
sufficient such abuse, the pack will be found to supply power at a
lower than normal voltage when you try to use it.

Both of these conditions (memory effect and voltage depression) are
repaired in the same way: one full discharge/recharge cycle.

In normal use, both NiCd and NiMH should be treated the same way:
charge them and use them as you see fit, but try not to leave them
connected to a charger forever, and try to remember to run them down
in a controlled fashion now and then (say, every three or four
months), to reassure yourself that they're still working well.  When
you do this, and discover that the pack lasts a significantly shorter
time than it used to, it's time to replace it before it fails on you
at a time of its own choosing.

Both types of cell have limitations on the useful life you can expect,
in calendar time number of discharge/recharge cycles.  (Note that if
you discharge and recharge needlessly, you're using up battery life!)

For more information about rechargeable batteries, check out Red
Scholefield's excellent web site at http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/.

-tih

I've left the reply above unsnipped in case anyone missed the excellent
info it conveys.

Thanks Tom, I have learned a great deal there. What about Litium Ion
batteries with regard to all the above.?

Thanks,




Cheers,
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RE: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Amita Guha
My condolences, Mark. It's always hard to lose a pet.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: R.I.P.
 
 
 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat 
 cough and then 
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on 
 the floor, 
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours 
 before she was 
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably 
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.
 
 Rest in peace, Pandora.
 
http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html


- MCC
-
Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
-

Photography:

http://www.markcassino.com






Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

My co-worker is willing to sell me his MZ-5n camera. He bought it some 
5 years ago, roughly one year after it was introduced. This one is 
made in Japan. The only problem that this body seems to have is a 
built-in flash spring. But I think I can live with this. Now he is 
asking $250.

I have basically two questions:

1. What else can go wrong with MZ-5n after 5 years of moderate use? 
This camera never was CLA'ed, nor it was submitted to other 
procedures.

2. Is above a fair price?

Any other advise will be appreciated.

P.S. I think my ME Super is not going to survive the repairs. The 
repairman has taken the shutter apart and found some part that needs 
to be replaced. He does not seem to be able to find the darn part. 
Most probably I will sell the poor guy for parts to the same repairman 
for whatever money he'd be willing to give me. sigh




RE: MX

2003-09-25 Thread Mat Maessen
My MX, just like all of my other Pentaxen, has a 2L76 battery in it. Looks
like a pair of the button cells stacked on top of each other. $3.49 at the
local supermarket in the display of little batteries.

-Mat

 They are about the most common you can get. It takes two 1,5 volt
 batteries.
 Type S76 (silver oxide), but one CR-1/3N (3 volts) also does the job.
 Every
 drugstore or fotoshop should have lots of them. So it's a little strange
 that you must wait weeks! 5 minutes tops should be enough!
 regards, Hans B.



Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Herb Chong
you apparently weren't on the direct email list that Gary sent to a bunch of
people, myself included.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay


 I don't know how long you have been on this list, but for a while now
 it's been considered quite acceptable for list members to suggest
 links to their own ebay auctions (especially if it's Pentax stuff, but
 people have provided links to everything from Leicas to large-format
 cameras they are selling). What is more problematic is people providing
 links to stuff they aren't selling (yes, let's not go there again guys).

 Since Gary is a list member who is a) selling the Vivitar and b) it's PK
 mount, he's IMHO well on topic and doing nothing wrong.




Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Stoddart

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Herb Chong wrote:

 you apparently weren't on the direct email list that Gary sent to a
 bunch of people, myself included.

 Herb

Ah... I wasn't :-) As you were then Andre!

Chris



Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread cbwaters
Why not buy another ME Super in ugly condition from Ebay or wherever and use
it for parts?

I think $250 for a 5n with a problem is too high. I can't really remember
now but I think I got mine for that amount or less from an Australian PDML
member in great condition WITH a lens and shipping...

Cory
has had no real problems with his 5n in what? two years of moderate
shooting...



- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: Question about MZ-5n


 Hi!

 My co-worker is willing to sell me his MZ-5n camera. He bought it some
 5 years ago, roughly one year after it was introduced. This one is
 made in Japan. The only problem that this body seems to have is a
 built-in flash spring. But I think I can live with this. Now he is
 asking $250.

 I have basically two questions:

 1. What else can go wrong with MZ-5n after 5 years of moderate use?
 This camera never was CLA'ed, nor it was submitted to other
 procedures.

 2. Is above a fair price?

 Any other advise will be appreciated.

 P.S. I think my ME Super is not going to survive the repairs. The
 repairman has taken the shutter apart and found some part that needs
 to be replaced. He does not seem to be able to find the darn part.
 Most probably I will sell the poor guy for parts to the same repairman
 for whatever money he'd be willing to give me. sigh




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Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread brooksdj
Really sad to hear this Mark. We here know how you feel,having lost 3 ourselves the 
past
12 months.
Hope you have lots of pictures.They help.

Dave, Kelly, Liner, and Norman   

 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I 
heard my cat cough and then 
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor, 
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was 
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably 
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.
 
 Rest in peace, Pandora.
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html
 
 
 - MCC
 -
 Mark Cassino
 Kalamazoo, MI
 -
 
 Photography:
 
 http://www.markcassino.com
 
 
 






Re: FS - last call

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Stoddart

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Cotty wrote:

 Leica CL:

 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952024579

hugely wistful sigh
But the missus wants a new sofa and the Beemer needs a new camshaft and
that's only this month.
/hugely wistful sigh

Chris



Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Steve Desjardins
I really liked this photo when I first saw it on the PUG (I'm a cat
owner)  and I will always think of that face with vigilant.  It's hard
to lose animals.  I lost 2 cats to FIP (one just wandered off and one
died in our room) and 2 to cars, so I understand how sad you are.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/25/03 06:54AM 
I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and
then 
this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,

unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she
was 
running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably 
heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

Rest in peace, Pandora.

http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html 


- MCC
-
Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
-

Photography:

http://www.markcassino.com 





Re: MX battery misshap

2003-09-25 Thread Herb Chong
putting them in backwards won't kill the meter.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: john bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: MX battery misshap


 I think when I put in the batteries into my MX I put them in backwards 
 and killed the light meter.
 Can anyone confirm this for me?




Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Herb Chong
i think after 5 years, it should be less unless prices are that much higher
in Israel. BH sold new for just over $300.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: Question about MZ-5n


 My co-worker is willing to sell me his MZ-5n camera. He bought it some
 5 years ago, roughly one year after it was introduced. This one is
 made in Japan. The only problem that this body seems to have is a
 built-in flash spring. But I think I can live with this. Now he is
 asking $250.




RE: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Butch Black
Mark,

Sorry to hear of your loss. They do become part of the family, don't they.


Butch, Panther, and Reboot (my 2 cats)



Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Ramesh Kumar
This is my experience with MZ-5n
I purchased my MZ-5n in 98.  Recently its flash spring
broke.
Recently I found that its metering needs calibration. 

Pentax asked $180 to fix this.


Thanks
Ramesh
--- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
 My co-worker is willing to sell me his MZ-5n camera.
 He bought it some 
 5 years ago, roughly one year after it was
 introduced. This one is 
 made in Japan. The only problem that this body seems
 to have is a 
 built-in flash spring. But I think I can live with
 this. Now he is 
 asking $250.
 
 I have basically two questions:
 
 1. What else can go wrong with MZ-5n after 5 years
 of moderate use? 
 This camera never was CLA'ed, nor it was submitted
 to other 
 procedures.
 
 2. Is above a fair price?
 
 Any other advise will be appreciated.
 
 P.S. I think my ME Super is not going to survive the
 repairs. The 
 repairman has taken the shutter apart and found some
 part that needs 
 to be replaced. He does not seem to be able to find
 the darn part. 
 Most probably I will sell the poor guy for parts to
 the same repairman 
 for whatever money he'd be willing to give me.
 sigh
 
 


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Re: FS - last call

2003-09-25 Thread brooksdj
 
 On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Cotty wrote:
 
  Leica CL:
 
  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2952024579
 
 hugely wistful sigh
 But the missus wants a new sofa and the Beemer needs a new camshaft and
 that's only this month.
 /hugely wistful sigh

Oh if only my 94 Sierra had not have dropped a trannie.

Dave
 
 Chris
 






Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:12:33 -0400
 Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i think after 5 years, it should be less unless prices are that much 
higher
in Israel. BH sold new for just over $300.

Herb
Normally prices in Israel are 1.5-2.0 times as much as prices in US of 
A. This guy claims that he bought it new for $450 which I think is 
actually true. When I bought my ZX-L from BH for $250 last year (pity 
because it costs only $180 now grin) my friend bought ZX-L locally. 
It costed him about $500 but it was a kit version, mine was just a 
body. Still you can see that he paid twice my price.

I think I will have to at least check 5n's meter against that of my 
ZX-L. But you're getting me scared. 

You see, I do want to have a second camera, but all my attempts to do 
so seem to fail. Any generous enablers? grin

Boris



Re: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread graywolf
I think I need to add, you want to use a tripod for these shots.

graywolf wrote:
Why a brick wall. The grid of bricks allows you to see barrel or 
pincushion distortion very easily. You can see if all corners and the 
center are in focus at the same time. The rough edges of the bricks show 
how well the lens resolves macro-detail (Macro-detail is detail of a 
size that matters to your in your photographs. Who cares about how it 
does on something you can't see without a loupe?) I use slide film for 
these tests as I don't want to have them messed up by processing errors, 
if you can read negatives well that is ok, but prints are pretty much 
useless for testing. Pleae note that if all your lenses have pretty much 
the same problems that indicates, most likely, that there is something 
wrong with the camera instead of the lenses.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com



Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Herb Chong
a bunch of people got direct emails from you bypassing the mailing list.
however, you intended it, that is what happened.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Sibio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay


 At 11:02 AM 9/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
 I sent the notice to three mail lists: PDML and two Pentax groups on Yahoo
 that I am also a member of. That was it. If that offends you, I'm sorry
but
 it's hardly what I'd call spam.




Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Alin Flaider
Boris wrote:

BL 1. What else can go wrong with MZ-5n after 5 years of moderate use?

  Don't know really. In more than five years mine has seen some
  climbing and skiing, went from -20 to almost 50 degrees, it even
  held up to cave moisture and sea splashes and still has to let me
  down. But I did take good care of it, minimized the exposure to
  elements and always cleaned it in the aftermath - that may explain
  why it's still ticking faithfully.
  
BL 2. Is above a fair price?

  I'd say yes, but that is here with the scarce availability and
  the fierce customs. Over the pond it may look inflated.
 
  Servus,  Alin



Re: OT: Processing woes

2003-09-25 Thread graywolf
There was a notice in the local post office last month saying that a 
mail truck carrying express mail sent from that post office had been 
involved in an accident and all the mail had been destroyed in the 
resulting fire. So mail can certainly be permanently lost.

mike wilson wrote:

Hi,

Mark wrote:


To this date, nothing I've mailed has been lost forever - so hang in there, they may
just be late.


Late has more than one meaning... 8-{
--
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http://graywolfphoto.com



Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My only complaint is that the 12 bit data is padded to 16 bit.  This makes
the raw file bigger than it needs to be; they are over 12MB, where they
should only need to be 9MB or so.  This reduces storage on CF, and slows
write times, seemingly unnecesarily.  If anyone at Pentax is listening,
please could we have non-padded PEF files?

ISTR that the Canon 10D (6-megapixel) RAW files are also 12MB - I think
it was Tom Van Veen who told me that and I wondered at the time why they
weren't 9MB. (Am I remembering this correctly, Tom?)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: MX

2003-09-25 Thread graywolf
Takes two 357 batteries. You can get them at the watch department in 
Wal-Marts for under $3 each.

Larry Levy wrote:

Hi,

With all the enconia about the MX, and having seen one at a reasonable price
(around $100 for a mint-looking body), I put it on hold until the seller can
get a battery so that I can see how well the meter works. Thus far, it's
taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
wondering about this specific deal?
Larry


--
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http://graywolfphoto.com



Re: OT: Duplicate messages?

2003-09-25 Thread Eactivist
I have only been getting doubles from certain people. So they are 
probably subscribed twice. Anyone who is subscribed twice (or maybe 
more) can fix it by unsubscribing over and over until the get a message 
back that says they are not on the list. Then resubscribe once. If after 
a short time you do not get a subscribed message, unsubscribe and 
resubscribe again. Any time you are going to try an resubscribe to a 
mailing list it is good to unsubscribe first just to make sure you are 
not already subscribed.

graywolf

Good idea, thanks.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: MX battery misshap

2003-09-25 Thread graywolf
Putting them in backwards won't hurt the meter. It just won't work that 
way, just take them out and put them in the other way around. They are 
supposed to have the center terminal of the battery towards the battery 
cover, that looks wrong at first glance.

The camera was designed to use two 357 (S76) silver cells. Other 
batteries may work but you are on your own there.

john bailey wrote:

Hello,

I think when I put in the batteries into my MX I put them in backwards 
and killed the light meter.
Can anyone confirm this for me?

Thanks,

~jmb~



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com



RE: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My only complaint is that the 12 bit data is padded to 16
 bit.  This makes
 the raw file bigger than it needs to be; they are over
 12MB, where they
 should only need to be 9MB or so.  This reduces storage on
 CF, and slows
 write times, seemingly unnecesarily.  If anyone at Pentax
 is listening,
 please could we have non-padded PEF files?

 ISTR that the Canon 10D (6-megapixel) RAW files are also
 12MB - I think
 it was Tom Van Veen who told me that and I wondered at the
 time why they
 weren't 9MB. (Am I remembering this correctly, Tom?)

No, they're 6 megs. When converted to 8 bit tiff, they're 18 megs.

I thought a raw file was a sensor dump, and the size of the file
should correlate with the size of the sensor?

tv




Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread graywolf
Why not just buy a second ZX-L? I alway prefer to use two identical 
bodies so that I do not have to think about how to use it when I change 
between them. Problably just something left over from back when I have 
to get it right or not get paid. Though to be honest back then one MX 
was black and one was chrome. Usually the chrome one had slide film 
('chrome) in it and the other one had (you guessed it) BW film in it.

Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:12:33 -0400
 Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i think after 5 years, it should be less unless prices are that much 
higher
in Israel. BH sold new for just over $300.

Herb


Normally prices in Israel are 1.5-2.0 times as much as prices in US of 
A. This guy claims that he bought it new for $450 which I think is 
actually true. When I bought my ZX-L from BH for $250 last year (pity 
because it costs only $180 now grin) my friend bought ZX-L locally. It 
costed him about $500 but it was a kit version, mine was just a body. 
Still you can see that he paid twice my price.

I think I will have to at least check 5n's meter against that of my 
ZX-L. But you're getting me scared.
You see, I do want to have a second camera, but all my attempts to do so 
seem to fail. Any generous enablers? grin

Boris


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Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Murray
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Herb Chong wrote:

 a bunch of people got direct emails from you bypassing the mailing list.
 however, you intended it, that is what happened.
 
 Herb
 - Original Message - 
 From: Gary Sibio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:29 PM
 Subject: Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay
 
 
  At 11:02 AM 9/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
  I sent the notice to three mail lists: PDML and two Pentax groups on Yahoo
  that I am also a member of. That was it. If that offends you, I'm sorry
 but
  it's hardly what I'd call spam.
 

It looked like a BCC to the list, hence bypassing any filters that were
based on the to/cc feilds, that probably why it looks like a direct
message to you. If you take a look at the Reply-To: feild, you will likely
see [EMAIL PROTECTED]

hth - Chris



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Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My only complaint is that the 12 bit data is padded to 16
 bit.  This makes
 the raw file bigger than it needs to be; they are over
 12MB, where they
 should only need to be 9MB or so.  This reduces storage on
 CF, and slows
 write times, seemingly unnecesarily.  If anyone at Pentax
 is listening,
 please could we have non-padded PEF files?

 ISTR that the Canon 10D (6-megapixel) RAW files are also
 12MB - I think
 it was Tom Van Veen who told me that and I wondered at the
 time why they
 weren't 9MB. (Am I remembering this correctly, Tom?)

No, they're 6 megs. When converted to 8 bit tiff, they're 18 megs.

I thought a raw file was a sensor dump, and the size of the file
should correlate with the size of the sensor?

It should: 12 bits (1.5 bytes) per pixel for cameras that do 12-bit RAW.

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Re: P30 and AF201SA

2003-09-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Dr E D F Williams wrote:

 'AE' mode with the P30 is attained by setting the lens to the 'A' position.

That's P mode, as you then have no control of the shutter either. In
the P30 you cannot put the shutter dial to the Program or Auto
position. Are you thinking of the P30t perhaps?

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/P/P3.html

The film made no difference either. Unlucky :-(

Kostas



Re: Evaluating Photographs - long

2003-09-25 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Lon,

From a post of mine from last night, on another thread:

I'm gradually learning
that taking photographs is only a small part of this endeavor.  Choosing what
to show is just as important.

Ha!!

Seriously, you're right.  When one shoots a coupla rolls a week, the photos add up.
It's really hard to critique one's own work.  It's also hard to ask friends to sit
through a couple of thousand frames of contacts, to pick the best 6 or 10 shots to go
into a show or whatever.  If I narrow it down to a dozen or two, at least that's more
digestable (assuming that ~any~ shots of mine are digestable g).

I use photo.net a lot for that, which is why among my folder there, one will find
several with blurry shots of questionable exposure;  they're from contact sheets.

I guess what I'm saying in a long-winded way is that, yes, choosing what to show -
whether one shot on PUG, a gallery of snaps to send to grandma by e-mail, or a show -
seems sometimes to the the ~real~ art to this.  And, for me, the input of
friends/peers/colleagues is most helpful.

cheers,
frank

cheers,
frank

Lon Williamson wrote:

 Perspicacious, eh?  Sweaty?  grin.
 No one's mentioned photography's magic dirty little
 secret:  What you choose to show is vital.  What percentage
 of your shots would you show on PUG, for example?

 For me, right now, selecting shots to scan/keep is
 the real magic.  I mean, you should see some of the
 rejects.


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Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

they're 6 megs. When converted to 8 bit tiff, they're 18 megs.

I thought a raw file was a sensor dump, and the size of the file
should correlate with the size of the sensor?

It should: 12 bits (1.5 bytes) per pixel for cameras that do 12-bit RAW.

Just did some research on the web. Canon RAW files are compressed using
a proprietary lossless compression algorithm. They claim it gets 9
megabytes of data into about 7 megs. Pretty limited compression but
you'd expect that with the kind of data you'd get in photographic
images. Now it makes sense :)

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RE: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell

-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: M 1.4 50mm question


Can I ask a few questions? How do you know the history of your 30+ year
old lens?
8
I am going by vast EXPERIENCE. I have owned over 200 of these M42
Asahi lenses and the quality consistancy has been nothing short of
amazing. Quality design and quality testing mean quality results...
8


Has it been repaired by someone who didn't know what they were
doing?
88
These lenses rarely if ever need repair...They sometimes
get a weak aperture spring, but thats about it...
88



Has it been dropped?

they are bulit so solid that in order to diturb the eleents
it would take obvious external damage.
8



I do not figure the dog M1.4 came from the factory that way.

8
Why? If build quality went down( it did) and 100% testing was eliminated
(most likely), there is no reason to believe it couldnt have been built that
way...



 I do figure
the differences between #2 and #3 were sample to sample variation. On
the other hand many companies now seem to feel it is cheaper to use
their customers for the final quality control check.


J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 I think your variation comments vary(pun?) from lens line  models.
 The pentax screwmount super-taks and SMC Taks for example show almost
 no dog examples because they were 100% tested TWICE (First in Japan,
 then again in USA) before being sold and due to their incredible build
 quality, held their performance unless extremely abused. Cheap modern
lenses
 on the other
 hand probably are usually not even tested once.
 JCO
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 -Original Message-
 From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:44 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: M 1.4 50mm question


 Going price is about $75. However if the store is giving you a warranty
 that is worth a premium in my opinion.

 I have had 3 of this lenses. One was very sharp at all f-stops, one was
 good wide open and excellent at all other stops, and one was absolutely
 bad wide open and ok at the other stops. That means either that there
 was quite a bit of difference lens to lens new, or that at least one of
 the 3 had been dropped hard enough to decenter an element (if it was it
 had been repaired because the lenses showed no sign of damage.

 What am I trying to say in the above paragraph? Simply that lenses very
 a lot. And in my experience an M50/1.4 should be bought with a return
 guarantee and tested as soon as you get it. If that guarantee costs $25
 bucks extra I would consider it well worth it.





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Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Gary Sibio
At 03:42 PM 9/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
a bunch of people got direct emails from you bypassing the mailing list.
however, you intended it, that is what happened.
It may not have shown that it was coming from the list because I put the 
email addresses in the BCC field. However, I only mailed it to the three 
groups, period. There was no direct mailing. I have no list of email 
address to send to therefore I could not have sent it to a direct email list.



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Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Mark Cassino
I tried to respond to everyone off list, but I'd just like to publicly 
thank all the folks who expressed condolences both on and off list.  It 
means a lot!

When I first found Pandora as a stray in the fall of 1988 the vet warned me 
not to get too attached to her. He doubted that this four pound runt would 
live very long.  I'm glad he was wrong and that I ignored his advice on 
that particular point.

Thanks again, everyone -

MCC
-
Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
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http://www.markcassino.com





RE: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Bill Sawyer
If I recall, she had quite a history..  My cat is now 15 years old, and I'm
dreading when the time comes - most of us get so very attached to them. In
fact, she just hopped up on my desk as I was typing this...and
promptly knocked over the stack of unedited slides sitting here.

My guess would be that there's another Pandora out there, looking for a
chance to prove her mousing mettle...

Good luck, Mark.

-Original Message-
From:   Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   September 25, 2003 6:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:R.I.P.

I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she was
running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

Rest in peace, Pandora.

http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html


- MCC
-
Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
-

Photography:

http://www.markcassino.com






Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread Martin Albrecht
Hello,

is it possible that Pentax uses 16 bit because of the
new multi exposure feature?
To sum up the 12 bit data without loosing Information,
you need more then 12 bits.
If yes, it could be possible to reduce noise
with multi exposures on static subjects,
this is the same process which is used with
filmscanners during multi pass scanning.

Martin


MR tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My only complaint is that the 12 bit data is padded to 16
 bit.  This makes
 the raw file bigger than it needs to be; they are over
 12MB, where they
 should only need to be 9MB or so.  This reduces storage on
 CF, and slows
 write times, seemingly unnecesarily.  If anyone at Pentax
 is listening,
 please could we have non-padded PEF files?

 ISTR that the Canon 10D (6-megapixel) RAW files are also
 12MB - I think
 it was Tom Van Veen who told me that and I wondered at the
 time why they
 weren't 9MB. (Am I remembering this correctly, Tom?)

No, they're 6 megs. When converted to 8 bit tiff, they're 18 megs.

I thought a raw file was a sensor dump, and the size of the file
should correlate with the size of the sensor?

MR It should: 12 bits (1.5 bytes) per pixel for cameras that do 12-bit RAW.



Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Sep 2003 at 0:12, Martin Albrecht wrote:

 Hello,
 
 is it possible that Pentax uses 16 bit because of the
 new multi exposure feature?
 To sum up the 12 bit data without loosing Information,
 you need more then 12 bits.
 If yes, it could be possible to reduce noise
 with multi exposures on static subjects,
 this is the same process which is used with
 filmscanners during multi pass scanning.

Interesting point, maybe someone with a *ist D can execute a multiple exposure 
of a static subject from a sturdy tripod at EI 3200 and compare the output 
noise with a single exposure?

Other than noise reduction or shooters requiring direct print from RAM cards I 
can't see any other real use for the multi-exposure function.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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ZX-L manual

2003-09-25 Thread Treena
Does anyone know where I can maybe download an instruction manual for a
ZX-L? I just bought a used one from KEH in beautiful condition and I have no
clue how to set the Pentax functions. It's a neat little camera, although I
don't think I can bring myself to use the smiley face function - whatever
that is. Now all I have to do is get the ZX-5n's winder fixed. I miss it.



Re: Pentax RAW file format

2003-09-25 Thread John Francis
 
 My only complaint is that the 12 bit data is padded to 16 bit.  This makes
 the raw file bigger than it needs to be; they are over 12MB, where they
 should only need to be 9MB or so.

By my reading of it, the TIFF spec doesn't allow two 12-bit quantities
to be packed into three bytes.  So it's either pad to 16 bits or abandon
storing the images in a format that can be read by TIFF utility libraries.




Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread John Francis
 
 My guess would be that there's another Pandora out there, looking for a
 chance to prove her mousing mettle...

Hundreds, unfortunately.  I volunteer with a local adoption center, so
I get to see many wonderful cats in the course of a year.  My experience
is in socialising semi-ferals; at present I've got four that I've had
for a year which came to me as hissing, spitting four-month-olds, but
which are now handleable.  I've also got a beautiful four-month-old from
this year who is just about ready for adoption, and last week I got
another four two-month-olds fresh out of the traps.

Not to mention my own five resident cats, of course ...


Here's one of my fosters from last year:
 (Warning: image captured using non-pentax equipment)

http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/willow.jpg



Re: Asking for help/critique

2003-09-25 Thread John Coyle

Hi Boris - love the idea, but I think there is too much softness.  The
'blobs' of diffused light through the trees do dominate too much, IMO.

HTH

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Asking for help/critique


 Hi!

 I am studying my new F 85/2.8 soft, thanks to Bruce Dayton. Here is a
 picture which I think I just spoiled -

 http://www.usefilm.com/image/212782.html

 Some of the people who saw it really liked it, but I don't quite like
 it. I think that there is too much light leaked through the trees.

 I would appreciate it you looked at it and told me what you think. But
 please be honest and if need be brutal. I do want to know how to
 improve it.

 Thanks.

 Boris




Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Kenneth Waller
Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear of your loss. Our pets become members of our
family and they are missed when they depart. Be thankful it was quick.
I lost my Malamute Bear last year and I do miss him.
We're down to one cat at the moment but we anticipate the addition of a new
kitten soon.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: R.I.P.


 I'm bummed. A little before 3 this morning, I heard my cat cough and then
 this 'thud'.  Flipping on the lights, I found her laying on the floor,
 unconscious. She died a few minutes later.  Just a few hours before she
was
 running around playing like a kitten.  Vet says it was probably
 heartworms.  Third cat to die this year, though they were all old.

 Rest in peace, Pandora.

 http://pug.komkon.org/03aug/panpug.html


 - MCC
 -
 Mark Cassino
 Kalamazoo, MI
 -

 Photography:

 http://www.markcassino.com







Re: R.I.P.

2003-09-25 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Mark, 

All I can do is to add my condolences to those expressed from
the other list members. We live with more than 20 cats here but
this doesn't ease the pain of a single loss. A couple of years
ago I found a kitten, a female, that lived with us only two
months. She got sick and almost suddenly passed away. I still
cannot look at her pictures without weeping.

Gianfranco

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Re: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
 I have had 3 of this lenses. One was very sharp at all f-stops, one was
 good wide open and excellent at all other stops, and one was absolutely
 bad wide open and ok at the other stops. That means either that there
 was quite a bit of difference lens to lens new, or that at least one of
 the 3 had been dropped hard enough to decenter an element (if it was it
 had been repaired because the lenses showed no sign of damage.
It is not uncommon for 50/1.4 to be disassembled as they get dusty inside 
easily. For the M, just pull of the rubber and inspect the screw underneath 
and see if there is any tool marks on it. Pentax also use a number of 
spacers to fine tune the distance between elements so it is possible they 
have been messed with.

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Re: M 1.4 50mm question

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
I do not figure the dog M1.4 came from the factory that way. I do figure 
the differences between #2 and #3 were sample to sample variation. On the 
other hand many companies now seem to feel it is cheaper to use their 
customers for the final quality control check.
No double, I am the authorized off-shore Pentax QC inspector and I have 
trapped quite a bit of faulty lenses lately.  :-)

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Re: ZX-L manual

2003-09-25 Thread John Dallman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Treena) wrote:

 Does anyone know where I can maybe download an instruction manual for a
 ZX-L? 

www.pentax.com, select USA, select Literature-download manuals, look for 
it in the list. 


--- 
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Re: MX

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
With all the enconia about the MX, and having seen one at a reasonable 
price
(around $100 for a mint-looking body), I put it on hold until the seller 
can
get a battery so that I can see how well the meter works. Thus far, it's
taking weeks for him to get the battery. Is the battery required for the MX
difficult to get (and could this be an ongoing problem), or should I be
wondering about this specific deal?
MX uses regular LR44 or SR44 cells. From what I have seen so far, it is 
highly unlikely any MX would not suffer any sort of damage consider its age 
even a mint looking one (at least 20+ years now). The most common problem is 
rusting inside, especially the mechanisms underneath the shutter speed dial 
 release button where the water does get in easily. If the camera has not 
been serviced properlly recently, you can be sure the shutter is off. Just 
fire the 1s shutter and watch your watch (will be significantly shorter than 
1s). For the newer version (plastic memo holder, serial number #4...), the 
light meter will be accurate unless someone messed with it before, so is the 
focus. To check the condition, I would wind the shutter, use my finger to 
move the sprocket lightly and see if it move too much (it does move a bit). 
If it does, forget it (require major disassemble to replace the part, the 
broken screw, not the sprocket). Check the screw inside mirror box near the 
mirror, if it has tool mark, forget it (mean the mirror position  screen 
have been messed with). Use your widest lens to check infinity  1 metre 
distance with split image, if it is off even by the slightly bit, forget it 
(calibration MX is a tiresome job as I have found out lately, 2 of the 
biggest repair shops here failed to do the job properly, one even tried to 
kill it. I don't know why they did such a lousy job consider they have been 
in business since 75). Also check the shutter curtain for damage. Well, the 
list goes on  on, but I should stop now before I go crazy. There is another 
broken MX waiting for me to fix now...

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Re: MX

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
Could be.  When I bought a used MX I had to replace the original battery (1 
piece) with two button batteries.
Unfortunately, I put them in with +/- reversed and burned out the meter.
Really? I think I did that once too.  :-)

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Re: MX battery misshap

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
I think when I put in the batteries into my MX I put them in backwards and 
killed the light meter.
Can anyone confirm this for me?
I don't think it does, but I am not sure.

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Re: Question about MZ-5n

2003-09-25 Thread Alan Chan
1. What else can go wrong with MZ-5n after 5 years of moderate use? This 
camera never was CLA'ed, nor it was submitted to other procedures.
Dirty AF sensor maybe?

2. Is above a fair price?
Too expensive imo, and even for a perfectly fine MZ-5n.

Any other advise will be appreciated.
If the plastic pin that holds the built-in flash spring is broken, you can 
drill a hole and glue a metal pin there. I have not done this but a repair 
centre in Taiwan did that and said it's a common problem with Pentax.

P.S. I think my ME Super is not going to survive the repairs. The repairman 
has taken the shutter apart and found some part that needs to be replaced. 
He does not seem to be able to find the darn part. Most probably I will 
sell the poor guy for parts to the same repairman for whatever money he'd 
be willing to give me. sigh
You might just bid a broken ME Super from eBay and give it to the centre for 
the parts.

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Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leigh
Gary,

Posting your auction didn't bother me one bit.

Later,

Robert Woerner
- Original Message -
From: Gary Sibio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay


 At 03:42 PM 9/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
 a bunch of people got direct emails from you bypassing the mailing list.
 however, you intended it, that is what happened.

 It may not have shown that it was coming from the list because I put the
 email addresses in the BCC field. However, I only mailed it to the three
 groups, period. There was no direct mailing. I have no list of email
 address to send to therefore I could not have sent it to a direct email
list.



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Re: FS Vivitar 100mm/3.5 Macro on Ebay

2003-09-25 Thread Gary Sibio
At 01:17 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:


It looked like a BCC to the list, hence bypassing any filters that were
based on the to/cc feilds, that probably why it looks like a direct
message to you. If you take a look at the Reply-To: feild, you will likely
see [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's exactly what I did. I didn't realize that doing so would hide any 
pertinent information regarding the source of the email. Thanks for 
pointing that out.



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Fill flash with MZ-6

2003-09-25 Thread Simon King
Hi All,
It may seem like a silly question, but can the MZ-6/ZX-L do daylight fill
flash with its built in flash? If so, how?
I almost always use an external flash and so have only just thought of this
after owning the camera for over a year.
The instructions are, as usual, pretty useless.
Cheers,
Simon