Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Ok, since you all seem so interested in Wolfang Park (lol, it is actually
Wolfang PEAK, that is the name of a mountain, and the entire mountain range
is called the Gemini Mountains).  I have just put together a small
collection of my feeble attempts at landscape photography in the area. No
pay outs necessary, I am well aware of how hopeless I am at landscape
photography, and most other photography in general if there aren't any
people involved

The first four shots on the pages (with the kids in them) were taken with
the cokin 173 blue/yellow polariser (i think it was Ryan? who was interested
in it?).  FYI, the water behind the kids is what we call The Laggy
(shortened, in typical Aussie manner from Hood's Lagoon).  I took those 4
shots last week, prior to us receiving the first rain that we have had up
here for over a year, and the Laggy was completely green, slimy and almost
empty, that little polariser is a GENIUS!

Oh, here's the link:

http://www.tanyamayer.com/clermont/index.html

The shot immediately following the four with the kids, is Wolfang Peak that
Bob referred to and there is also a black and white one there too.  In the
foreground of these shots, (and #6 is a closeup of it), you will see
sorghum, which is a very common crop around these parts, but when
photographed at the right time of year, it can make for some very cool
shots.  We also have huge sunflower fields and cotton fields around here,
but again, you need to be here at the right time of year, and it is hard to
predict when that might be with the drought the way it is.  USUALLY, it is
around Aug/Sept.  So now, having looked at that link, you have pretty much
seen anything that is remotely of photographic interest in these parts, so
lets start to think of some more exotic locations - NZ sounds pretty good to
me, but I do still like the sound of Kevin's offer too...

tan.


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 Hi Ryan,
 I think the venue will depend on the time of the year. The Whitsundies are
 fabulous - but not during the cyclone season where it is hot and near 100%
 humidity. The next thing, will it be a show and tell and then get to the
 grog? Or, perhaps someone showing off their favourite photographic sites?
 As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not rule
 out the South Island - now that place is stunning.

 Cheers,

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:16 PM
 To: PDML
 Subject: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 (Some corrections from the original.)

 Hi all,
 Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but
 it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!),
 there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to
 compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to
the
 (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees.

 This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it.
 - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out)
 - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest
inkling
 of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that
includes
 you too)
 - Suggestions (ideas where to go..)
 - Considerations (ands  buts)

 I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to
sit
 on.

 Best Regards,
 Ryan

 
 **Updated population down under:
 
 Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) - 30 mins to mountains, national
parks,
 2 hours (North) to Bellingen (waterfalls abound..)
 Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW)
 Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW)
 Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) - 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue mountains,
 Sydney, Barrington Tops.
 Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC)
 Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC)
 Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) - 4 hours from the Whitsundays.
 John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD)
 Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD)

 --
 **Possible globetrotters:
 --
 Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA)
 My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in
 Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in
Canberra
 (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our
 meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan
 to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that
 general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as called for by the
 meeting schedule, with time to ourselves along the way.

 John Francis (San Jose, California, USA)
 One of these years I'm going to get over to Surfer's Paradise
 for the CART (now OWRS) race.  When I do, I'll probably take an
 extra week or two of vacation.

 
 

RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*

2003-12-18 Thread Bob Rapp
Hi Tanya,
I forgot to mention the cotton and sunflower fields (huge self-inflicted
slap to the face).

Bob

-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 6:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


Ok, since you all seem so interested in Wolfang Park (lol, it is actually
Wolfang PEAK, that is the name of a mountain, and the entire mountain range
is called the Gemini Mountains).  I have just put together a small
collection of my feeble attempts at landscape photography in the area. No
pay outs necessary, I am well aware of how hopeless I am at landscape
photography, and most other photography in general if there aren't any
people involved

The first four shots on the pages (with the kids in them) were taken with
the cokin 173 blue/yellow polariser (i think it was Ryan? who was interested
in it?).  FYI, the water behind the kids is what we call The Laggy
(shortened, in typical Aussie manner from Hood's Lagoon).  I took those 4
shots last week, prior to us receiving the first rain that we have had up
here for over a year, and the Laggy was completely green, slimy and almost
empty, that little polariser is a GENIUS!

Oh, here's the link:

http://www.tanyamayer.com/clermont/index.html

The shot immediately following the four with the kids, is Wolfang Peak that
Bob referred to and there is also a black and white one there too.  In the
foreground of these shots, (and #6 is a closeup of it), you will see
sorghum, which is a very common crop around these parts, but when
photographed at the right time of year, it can make for some very cool
shots.  We also have huge sunflower fields and cotton fields around here,
but again, you need to be here at the right time of year, and it is hard to
predict when that might be with the drought the way it is.  USUALLY, it is
around Aug/Sept.  So now, having looked at that link, you have pretty much
seen anything that is remotely of photographic interest in these parts, so
lets start to think of some more exotic locations - NZ sounds pretty good to
me, but I do still like the sound of Kevin's offer too...

tan.


- Original Message -
From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 Hi Ryan,
 I think the venue will depend on the time of the year. The Whitsundies are
 fabulous - but not during the cyclone season where it is hot and near 100%
 humidity. The next thing, will it be a show and tell and then get to the
 grog? Or, perhaps someone showing off their favourite photographic sites?
 As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not rule
 out the South Island - now that place is stunning.

 Cheers,

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:16 PM
 To: PDML
 Subject: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 (Some corrections from the original.)

 Hi all,
 Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but
 it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!),
 there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to
 compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to
the
 (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees.

 This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it.
 - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out)
 - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest
inkling
 of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that
includes
 you too)
 - Suggestions (ideas where to go..)
 - Considerations (ands  buts)

 I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to
sit
 on.

 Best Regards,
 Ryan

 
 **Updated population down under:
 
 Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) - 30 mins to mountains, national
parks,
 2 hours (North) to Bellingen (waterfalls abound..)
 Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW)
 Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW)
 Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) - 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue mountains,
 Sydney, Barrington Tops.
 Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC)
 Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC)
 Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) - 4 hours from the Whitsundays.
 John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD)
 Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD)

 --
 **Possible globetrotters:
 --
 Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA)
 My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in
 Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in
Canberra
 (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our
 meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan
 to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that
 general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as 

Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2

2003-12-18 Thread Paul Fox
Hi Ryan and you all,

the Cosina 1.2/55 is sold under different names - not only Ricoh.
In Germany it's Porst and Revuenon, maybe in the U.S. Quantanray or Phoenix.
I tried 2 different versions (from age different). 

Compared to the K 1.2/50 they are very soft at 1.2 to 2.0. Stopped down to 2.8 - 4 
it's getting much better - but not same level as Pentax 1.2. Stopped down to 8 - 11 
you'll see no difference.

The lens is build very well ! (surprise ?)
As far as I remember there are 9 aperture blades giving a nioce rounded form stopped 
down ! This resulting in nice bokeh. Wide opened you'll never need a softfocus lens. 
55mm may not be enough for a portrait lens but on the *istD with it's 1.5-factor it 
may !

So if you want a dreamlens-effect for portra it on the *istD or just a well-build lens 
with a bright view-finder I can recommend it.
On ebay in Germany it's sold at about 60-90 Euro.

Paul

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Re: Powerpoint

2003-12-18 Thread Frits Wüthrich
If you have to make a presentation for a decision maker, you have to
bring difficulty of the contents down to board level.
That serves two purposes:
1 the presentor didn't make the decision, so he he can't be blamed for
the wrong decision
2 the decision maker didn't make the presentation, so he can't be blamed
either as he didn't get the correct information.

I have seen this happen, and people were laid off in the wrong place as
a result of it.

On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 20:43, graywolf wrote:
 Then we can look at it another way, a person who makes a possibly life 
 threatening multi-million dollar decision from a twenty minute PowerPoint 
 presentation certainly fits my definition of a fool.
 
 Of course, the adviser who presents it that way fits my definition of incompetent.
 
 --
 
 Chaso DeChaso wrote:
 
  
 Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software
 for a problem, 
 rather
 than those who misued the software.
  
  
 Well said.  I get to see quite a few ppt
 presentations at work and they 
 never impress me.  It has nothing to do with ppt
 itself - they're just 
 bad presentations.
  
  
  Well, this oversimplifies the problem by
  underestimating the way in which tools condition our
  thinking and condition the problems and solutions at
  hand.  It is also surprising that anyone would
  casually and quickly reject a thinker such as Tufte
  trying to tell us something.  
  
  I would not say the medium IS the message but
  certainly it alters, limits, abstracts the message in
  various ways.  This may happen independent of our best
  intentions.
  
  It is overly idealistic to imagine that humans are
  these perfect things hovering high above the world
  making decisions; in fact we are immersed in the world
  and are conditioned by its perameters.  Our thinking
  is conditioned by the language we happen to use as
  well as by the software we select (or have selected
  for us, for the most part).  No matter how perfect we
  think we are, a presentation is going to be different
  with different media - people will learn different
  things.  We make different mistakes when using
  different tools.  Engineering projects have different
  types of failures based upon different types of
  software, and versus doing things by hand.  Assuming
  humans haven't changed, this focuses the attention on
  the role of the media and methods thereof.  Also, at
  the extreme, different types of projects become
  possible and impossible.
  
  Humans are not limitlessly creative or vigiland
  therefore we rely upon convention, precedent,
  technique, culture, tools, etc. to influence answers -
  this is a part of life and not necessarily bad. 
  (Most pieces written on piano are different than those
  written on guitar - and few are capable of dreaming up
  complete pieces in the abstract not associated with
  instrumentation, while laying in bed...even they are
  conditioned by memory of the instruments).  Given that
  this is a fact, one can then turn attention toward
  laying a certain amount of blame on tools and methods
  that are more mistake prone in certain contexts. 
  Powerpoint is certainly a media which predisposes one
  to certain errors mainly related to oversimplification
  as Tufte argues.  Yes, if we were almost perfect and
  nearly godlike we would catch every mistake and only
  have ourselves to blame, but in fact as soon as one
  relies on a tool and gives over some responsibility to
  the tool (which we must and always do) then we can
  speak about the influence of the tool itself and about
  how for example powerpoint may have been a legitimate
  contributing factor the shuttle disaster.
  
  Chaso
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.
  http://photos.yahoo.com/
  
  
-- 
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RE: ZX-L and old lenses

2003-12-18 Thread Paul Fox
Hi Greg,

Of course, I'm aware that I won't get autofocus with screwmount, K, M,  A
lenses.

Of course you will - when you will use the Penztax 1.7x-converter.
And it works quite well with primes !

;-) Paul




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Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
*eek*!!  omg, i just realised how CRAPPY that shot of Wolfang Peak looks -
sorry, guys, that was owing to me being very slack and scanning lazily at
100 dpi...

I AM a crappy landscape photographer, but honestly that shot doesn't really
look THAT crappy...

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 Ok, since you all seem so interested in Wolfang Park (lol, it is
actually
 Wolfang PEAK, that is the name of a mountain, and the entire mountain
range
 is called the Gemini Mountains).  I have just put together a small
 collection of my feeble attempts at landscape photography in the area. No
 pay outs necessary, I am well aware of how hopeless I am at landscape
 photography, and most other photography in general if there aren't any
 people involved

 The first four shots on the pages (with the kids in them) were taken with
 the cokin 173 blue/yellow polariser (i think it was Ryan? who was
interested
 in it?).  FYI, the water behind the kids is what we call The Laggy
 (shortened, in typical Aussie manner from Hood's Lagoon).  I took those
4
 shots last week, prior to us receiving the first rain that we have had up
 here for over a year, and the Laggy was completely green, slimy and
almost
 empty, that little polariser is a GENIUS!

 Oh, here's the link:

 http://www.tanyamayer.com/clermont/index.html

 The shot immediately following the four with the kids, is Wolfang Peak
that
 Bob referred to and there is also a black and white one there too.  In the
 foreground of these shots, (and #6 is a closeup of it), you will see
 sorghum, which is a very common crop around these parts, but when
 photographed at the right time of year, it can make for some very cool
 shots.  We also have huge sunflower fields and cotton fields around here,
 but again, you need to be here at the right time of year, and it is hard
to
 predict when that might be with the drought the way it is.  USUALLY, it is
 around Aug/Sept.  So now, having looked at that link, you have pretty much
 seen anything that is remotely of photographic interest in these parts, so
 lets start to think of some more exotic locations - NZ sounds pretty good
to
 me, but I do still like the sound of Kevin's offer too...

 tan.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:32 AM
 Subject: RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


  Hi Ryan,
  I think the venue will depend on the time of the year. The Whitsundies
are
  fabulous - but not during the cyclone season where it is hot and near
100%
  humidity. The next thing, will it be a show and tell and then get to the
  grog? Or, perhaps someone showing off their favourite photographic
sites?
  As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not
rule
  out the South Island - now that place is stunning.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Bob
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:16 PM
  To: PDML
  Subject: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
 
 
  (Some corrections from the original.)
 
  Hi all,
  Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term,
but
  it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it
is!),
  there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to
  compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to
 the
  (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees.
 
  This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it.
  - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out)
  - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest
 inkling
  of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that
 includes
  you too)
  - Suggestions (ideas where to go..)
  - Considerations (ands  buts)
 
  I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to
 sit
  on.
 
  Best Regards,
  Ryan
 
  
  **Updated population down under:
  
  Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) - 30 mins to mountains, national
 parks,
  2 hours (North) to Bellingen (waterfalls abound..)
  Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW)
  Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW)
  Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) - 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue
mountains,
  Sydney, Barrington Tops.
  Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC)
  Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC)
  Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) - 4 hours from the
Whitsundays.
  John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD)
  Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD)
 
  --
  **Possible globetrotters:
  --
  Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA)
  My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting
in
  Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in
 Canberra
  (?) 5-6 April. Assuming 

OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Quick question - are you able to use ANY manfrotto head on ANY manfrotto
tripod?  Or are only certain heads suited to certain tripods?

I have looked on a number of websites, but nothing seems to mention
compatibility, so I am guessing that I can pretty much order whichever head
I like and guarantee that it will suit whichever tripod that i want?

tan.



Re: BreezeBrowser 2.8

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
My first look at it seems that it only supports viewing the raw file,
not allowing you to convert it.  I guess it is a start.

Bruce



Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 1:46:25 PM, you wrote:

PE BreezeBrowser 2.8 was just released, now with support for raw from our ist
PE D's.

PE Paul

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Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Tanya,

Pretty much that is true.  There are two different sizes of screw on
bolt on the center column.  Most heads/columns are the same.  There
are a few heads that have a spring loaded inner sleeve that allows it
to mount on either size screw.

I have 4 different heads and one leg set.  All heads work just fine.
The normal size is 3/8.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Thursday, December 18, 2003, 12:17:04 AM, you wrote:

TMP Quick question - are you able to use ANY manfrotto head on ANY manfrotto
TMP tripod?  Or are only certain heads suited to certain tripods?

TMP I have looked on a number of websites, but nothing seems to mention
TMP compatibility, so I am guessing that I can pretty much order whichever head
TMP I like and guarantee that it will suit whichever tripod that i want?

TMP tan.





Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Jon Glass
on 12/18/03 9:48 AM, Bruce Dayton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have 4 different heads and one leg set.  All heads work just fine.
 The normal size is 3/8.

Yet my cheapo, garage-sale tripod has a 1/4 screw on the top of the 'pod.

Would it be fair to say that better quality tripods have a 3/8 screw and
cheaper grade have a 1/4 mount?
-- 
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Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the
very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
independence. -- C. A. Beard




Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread John Francis
 
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Mark Roberts replied
 
  Yes, all things do look different under different light sources but
  metamerism refers to prints in which the various inks don't change
  *equally* under different light sources. The result is that a print that
  looks fine in daylight may look completely wonky under incandescent
  light (rather than just more orange overall, which your eyes would
  adjust to).
 
 
 Wow - thanks Mark - that never occured to me...


Just to make things even more complicated; you don't even need different
light sources.  It is perfectly possible to have two different pigments
(or dyes) which appear identical when the coloured surface is viewed
straight on, but which seem very different when viewed at near-grazing
incidence.

That can make it very difficult when you are trying to match the colour
of one material by using a pigment or dye set which has very different
properties.  Take a look around an automobile interior some time, and
see just how many different materials there are which are coloured.
Then spare a thought for the poor paint technologist who had to come
up with the colour matches.



Re[2]: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Jon,

Probably.  My Velbon Victory 550 has a 1/4 also.  But some Manfrotto
heads have that inner sleeve which will fit on your pod.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Thursday, December 18, 2003, 1:06:02 AM, you wrote:

JG on 12/18/03 9:48 AM, Bruce Dayton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have 4 different heads and one leg set.  All heads work just fine.
 The normal size is 3/8.

JG Yet my cheapo, garage-sale tripod has a 1/4 screw on the top of the 'pod.

JG Would it be fair to say that better quality tripods have a 3/8 screw and
JG cheaper grade have a 1/4 mount?




RE: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Bob Rapp
On the topic of tripods, I have been looking at replacing my old Tiltall. I
have yet to find a set of legs (other than huge hand heavy) that is more
stable. I must say that mine is not worn out after 20 years but it sure
looks like it has been around. I have looked at the 055 series but have not
found them to be as rigid. FWIW, I use Pentax 35mm though 67 plus 6X9 field
cameras. I just may buy another one.

Cheers,

Bob

-Original Message-
From: Jon Glass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 8:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT- manfrotto tripods


on 12/18/03 9:48 AM, Bruce Dayton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have 4 different heads and one leg set.  All heads work just fine.
 The normal size is 3/8.

Yet my cheapo, garage-sale tripod has a 1/4 screw on the top of the 'pod.

Would it be fair to say that better quality tripods have a 3/8 screw and
cheaper grade have a 1/4 mount?
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the
very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
independence. -- C. A. Beard






RE: Re[2]: *istD North America Warranty

2003-12-18 Thread Alan Chan
But I think the problem is that the demand for most Pentax 135 products are 
low even before the mail-order business have become popular. And some 
countries are much much worse.

Yours regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
The issue of availability is a bit of a sore point with me.  People who
buy mail-order for high-end items to avoid a waiting period contribute to
a vicious circle.  Customers buy mail-order because they can't get it
locally, but the local stores don't see the point in carrying it if no one
ever orders it from them.
Sure, in an idea world your small, local, family-owned camera store would
have the money to be able to keep high-end products from every
manufacturer in stock at all times, but the unfortunate reality is that
this is horrendously expensive.  Also, items that sit unsold will cost the
owner money, as dealer net cost (and the resulting street value) drops
over time.  You can't really blame a dealer for only being able to stock
the products that actually sell.  If people began ordering high-end items
through them, they'd see that such a market exists, and might begin
stocking similar items.  If people only buy mail-order for the big stuff,
then the local dealer will just assume that there's no local market for
it, and that it's not worth bringing in.
Price is a different issue, of course, and you'll have to decide how much
extra it's worth to you to support local businesses.  If yours charges
significantly more than mail-order and isn't flexible with their pricing
(always give them the chance to make you an offer), then mail order makes
sense.  Otherwise, if the price is fair, you may find it worth the three
week wait to show your local store that there is a market for upper-end
Pentax gear.  A few more purchases like that, and you might be surprised
how much easier it gets for the owner to justify stocking lenses like that
on a regular basis.
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RE: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Frits Wüthrich
You might want to take a look at http://www.berlebach.de/
Pal swears by it. I have no experience with them however, and BH has
them.


On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 10:24, Bob Rapp wrote:
   On the topic of tripods, I have been looking at replacing my old Tiltall. I
 have yet to find a set of legs (other than huge hand heavy) that is more
 stable. I must say that mine is not worn out after 20 years but it sure
 looks like it has been around. I have looked at the 055 series but have not
 found them to be as rigid. FWIW, I use Pentax 35mm though 67 plus 6X9 field
 cameras. I just may buy another one.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Glass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 8:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT- manfrotto tripods
 
 
 on 12/18/03 9:48 AM, Bruce Dayton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have 4 different heads and one leg set.  All heads work just fine.
  The normal size is 3/8.
 
 Yet my cheapo, garage-sale tripod has a 1/4 screw on the top of the 'pod.
 
 Would it be fair to say that better quality tripods have a 3/8 screw and
 cheaper grade have a 1/4 mount?
 --
 -Jon Glass
 Krakow, Poland
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
 reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the
 very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
 independence. -- C. A. Beard
 
 
 
-- 
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Christmas present to myself...

2003-12-18 Thread Arnold Stark
Hi,

I just received my new MZ-S!
What a a great camera!
PLUS: It is the silver version!
And it takes all k-mount lenses ;-)
I especially like the viewfinder which is very clear, i.e. manual 
focussing is a joy

Arnold



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2003-12-18 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
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Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 napisa³(a):

 I just received my new MZ-S!
 What a a great camera!
 PLUS: It is the silver version!
 And it takes all k-mount lenses ;-)
 I especially like the viewfinder which is very clear, i.e. manual 
 focussing is a joy




Re: Christmas present to myself...

2003-12-18 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just received my new MZ-S!

I have one of these also. I sits proudly in my collect awaiting the
weekend where I will photograph some black and whites on the beach/rocks.

Just curious what made you choose the MZ-S over the *istD?

Kind regards
Kevin


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Advertising

2003-12-18 Thread mike.wilson
Hi,

Recently, we castigated a particular Pentax ad for its apparent
chauvinism.

I've just seen a double page one for the EOS 300D.  A football stadium
(about 40-60,000+ fit in these places) with one or two people in
closeup, chimping at the back of their 300D.  Into the distance, others
are doing the same and there is a blizzard of flash pinpoints.  All of
the people in closeup have the RTF erect.

On the pitch, the ball is streaking towards the net but no-one is
watching.

Strapline:
Professional digital photography.
No longer just for the professionals.
Now for the seriously inept amateur, too.

Guess which part of the above is mine 8-)

mike



Re: *istD North America Warranty

2003-12-18 Thread Camdir
n way of a comparison, I work at a reasonably small, family-owned camera
store where the salespeople (well, most of them, anyway g) have a fair
amount of knowledge about cameras and photography.  I hate people who buy
cameras from places like Costco or Best Buy to save a few bucks (without
checking to see if we'd match prices), and then come into our store and
expect me to spend an hour showing them how to use their camera.  If you
want service, buy from the company you plan on bringing the camera back to
for servicing.

Ok, where did you buy the camera from? This store? Can you bring your receipt 
in? No? Oh you bought it at Walmart...I se. I can offer you advice 
and assistance, but since you did not even have the common courtesy to ASK us if 
we would be your  preferred supplier, I will have to charge you the industry 
standard rate for advice and assistance. Which is $50/hour. 
OR
Here is Walmart's 'customer service' number, best of luck sunshine.

Have a wonderful Christmas

Peter



Re: Christmas present to myself...

2003-12-18 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I just received my new MZ-S!
 What a a great camera!
 PLUS: It is the silver version!
 And it takes all k-mount lenses ;-)
 I especially like the viewfinder which is very clear, i.e. manual 
 focussing is a joy
Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 napisa(a):

 I just received my new MZ-S!
 What a a great camera!
 PLUS: It is the silver version!
 And it takes all k-mount lenses ;-)
 I especially like the viewfinder which is very clear, i.e. manual 
 focussing is a joy
 
Wow! Congratulations Arnold! MZ-S is really nice camera. I kept it despite buying 
*istD and actually my wife uses it :-) And viewfinder is really the best among AF 
Pentaxes! Have fun with this sometimes underrated gem!

Best regards
Sylwek



Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
i might be there in Feb 05 for a friend's wedding. whether i go or not
depends on whether that is in fact when they are getting married.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*


 I've been thinking about a trip down  there (Oz and/or NZ) for a
 while.

 If someone were to set something up for January or February of '05 I'd
 be 95% in.




Re: *ist

2003-12-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
The *ist is a very capable camera, with many features once available 
only on top-of-the-line bodies like the PZ-1p and the MZ-S, which cost 
hundreds more. If you do not already have non-A lenses, you should 
consider it carefully. The way to avoid incompatibility with non-A 
lenses is not to buy any.

Joe



Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread David Zaninovic
Maybe you think about Slik 330 ?  Are you sure that was Sunpak ?
This one can be found for $50.

- Original Message - 
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: OT- manfrotto tripods


 If that's the tripod I _think_ it is (two part extension, grooved legs,
 3-section legs), it's made by Slik and is a cheaper, less sturdy version
 of the DX-300.  I've seen it in the Slik label, and the 300 is a sturdier
 tripod for about $10 more.
 
 -Lon
 
 David Zaninovic wrote:
  While we are off topic with tripods...
  I am shopping for tripods.  Did anybody try Sunpak 3300 Pro with ball head ?



Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
Konica bought Minolta

Who's going to buy Pentax?

Joe



Re: Tokina 28-80 F2.8 ATX PRO

2003-12-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
Hey Joe,

How can you tell if you got one from a bad batch?
It doesn't sharpens up when you use smaller apertures
at some focal lengths or what?
I noticed on some shots I had taken in Paris that there was pronounced 
lateral softness. It was only a few images out of a couple of hundred, 
and I was not sure of the focal length or f-stop on those shots. So I 
tested it systematically, 28, 35, 50, and 80 mm., all f stops to 16. It 
turns out that the weakness was at 50 mm. f5.6, and a bit at f8.0. When 
I got the replacement I also tested it systematically and found it was 
superb.

The test was on a tripod, using Provia 100F. I then scanned the images 
on a Nikon LS 2000 and looked at them at 200% to 300% magnification in 
Photoshop, no sharpening.

Then, of all things, the Tokina techs said nothing about it being soft, 
but said that it had low contrast. I had not complained about that. A 
batch went out with a bad rear element, or so I am told. Tokina tried 
first to replace the rear element group, then gave that up and sent me a 
replacement.

So if you buy a used one, test it systematically.

Joe



Re[2]: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Ken,

Very good advice.  In my experience, there is a difference between the
cheap epsons and the good ones.  My first 870 (good one) is still
going strong with almost no problems ever.  The two in the garbage, an
820 and 785 didn't last more than a year.  Paper feed problems, ink
clogs, etc.  They printed just as nicely as the 870, but were not
built to the same standard.  Not overly suprising, that the cheapest
ones are cheap :)



-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Thursday, December 18, 2003, 5:07:38 AM, you wrote:

kpc Remember to always shut the printer off using the
kpc printer on/off switch. Don't shut off any other way
kpc (i.e.- unplug, wall switch controlling outlet, etc)
kpc I have a 7 year old Photo Stylus that I have maintained
kpc this way and have never had to run the cleaning utility.

kpc Kenneth Waller

kpc On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:44:07 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
 Juey Chong Ong wrote:
 
  On Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003, at 11:34
 America/New_York, Ann Sanfedele
  wrote:
 
   Dunno.  But I do get irked when the ink is low and
 it won't let me
   clean the head,
   even though there really is plenty of ink in the
 bucket .  Ionly use
   Epson inks myself.
 
  Me too, and I notice the more expensive black ink
 gets clogged more
  often than the color ink.
 
  Here's the trick to do a head cleaning when the ink
 is too low: take
  the cartridge out and put it back in.
 
  --jc
 
 I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to
 clean.  hmmm.
 
 a

kpc Ken Waller
kpc 
kpc PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart. 
kpc http://www.peoplepc.com 





Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-18 Thread Andre Langevin
Konica bought Minolta

Who's going to buy Pentax?

Joe
Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon.

Andre



Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Thursday, Dec 18, 2003, at 00:44 America/New_York, Ann Sanfedele 
wrote:

I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to clean.  hmmm.
When you put in an ink cartridge, it has to prime the cartridge by 
doing something similar to a head cleaning. That's why it makes the 
same groaning noises. I don't know if it's as thorough as a head 
cleaning (btw, if you perform several head cleanings in succession, 
each cleaning is a little more thorough --- and flushes more ink --- 
than the previous one), but it's worked for me before. You may have to 
fake more than one cartridge replacement.

--jc



Why P-TTL? Follow-up

2003-12-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
Lawrence Kwan wrote:

And in case of *ist, it can give priority in the matrix metering area 
corresponding to the focal point.  Off centered subjects is one example 
where P-TTL should be better.

For this to work I assume one would have to use either the multi-point 
focusing (letting the camera decide what to focus on) or the selected 
point focusing. Using only the central sensor with focus lock on 
something off-center wouldn't work. Am I correct?

Thanks,

Joe



Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Remember to always shut the printer off using the
 printer on/off switch. Don't shut off any other way
 (i.e.- unplug, wall switch controlling outlet, etc)
 I have a 7 year old Photo Stylus that I have maintained
 this way and have never had to run the cleaning utility.

 Kenneth Waller


Guess they don't make em like that any more -  But if I need
to reboot it
does.  I'm one of those leave the computer on all the time
folks... unless
it misbehaves or I go away for a couple of days or more.

Is the Photo Stylus an Epson?

annsan


 On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:44:07 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
  Juey Chong Ong wrote:
 
   On Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003, at 11:34
  America/New_York, Ann Sanfedele
   wrote:
  
Dunno.  But I do get irked when the ink is low and
  it won't let me
clean the head,
even though there really is plenty of ink in the
  bucket .  Ionly use
Epson inks myself.
  
   Me too, and I notice the more expensive black ink
  gets clogged more
   often than the color ink.
  
   Here's the trick to do a head cleaning when the ink
  is too low: take
   the cartridge out and put it back in.
  
   --jc
 
  I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to
  clean.  hmmm.
 
  a

 Ken Waller
 
 PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart.
 http://www.peoplepc.com



Re: *istD and prime lens aperature

2003-12-18 Thread Robert Gonzalez


Mark Roberts wrote:
Robert Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

is a 3Mp or so chip right now with I
think a 1.6 factor. 


It's a 1.7 factor, which is just too much for a lot of people, myself
included.
Dang, that IS pretty bad. I can live with 1.5, but 1.7 is too much.


Only time will tell which technology will win out, Bayer or Foveon.  


I don't think either one has to win out - they can probably coexist.
Because of the 3.4 megapixel resolution and 1.7x conversion factor I'm
not interested in current Foveon products, but I hope enough other
people are to keep them in business! I think their initial product was
dazzling for a first effort. If they keep improving it they'll have
something amazing in a few years.
That's just it though, if Foveon had the resources Canon does, they 
would already have a 1.5x or better 5-6Mp non-bayer chip.  Consumer 
forces might kill bayer technology if and when Foveon gets into the 
mainstream, it will depend on the market dynamics.  The lack of deep 
resources is one of the few things thats preventing the Foveon 
technology from getting a stronger presence.  The other reason is that 
they have the intellectual property (patents) locked up and it might 
take until the patents expire before it becomes more common.  I don't 
know why there isn't any type of licensing going on with the big names, 
it may be that Sigma wanted an exclusive license for a couple of years. 
 One other possible reason that Bayer remains popular may just be 
simply that it is a much cheaper technology to produce at any scale.  If 
this is the case, then we may end up like you say, with a situation 
where they coexist.




Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And all will end up being owned by Sony BMG LOL

Andre Langevin wrote:

 Konica bought Minolta
 
 Who's going to buy Pentax?
 
 Joe

 Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon.

 Andre



Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow - thanks Mark - that never occured to me...
 I don't see anything very wonky witht he stuff from my 820 I will say.

 Theoretically, all RGB (or CMYK) images will exhibit metamerism to
 *some* extent - it's the nature of the beast - but in most cases it's so
 incredibly slight it isn't noticeable. Metamers are two colors
 (sources of light, to be strictly accurate) that *look* the same to the
 human eye or other RGB sensor but really *aren't* the same. For example,
 if combine a red and a green light to make yellow they'll appear the
 same as a single yellow light source to your eye and to film. But
 interposing a blue filter exposes the two yellows as metamers: The
 single yellow light source will be attenuated (dimmed) much more then
 the red/blue light source that looks like the same color.

 Look at it this way: Yellow light has a wavelength around 575 nm.
 Combining red (650 nm) and green (500 nm) *doesn't* produce light of 575
 nm wavelength - you just have two separate wavelengths present at the
 same time - but it'll *look* the same as light of 575 nm wavelength to
 the human eye. Cool, huh?

 --
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
 www.robertstech.com

Very cool :)   But something puzzles me.  This all sounds like things that
apply to
images on a monitor or stage lighting, for instance,  but once you have a
hard copy of
something, you are dealing with pigment, yes?  Given I have a piece of red
cloth that
is the same color as a piece of matte paper I've printed (and the same
reflective um index)
they look the same in the same light to the (same) human eye.

umm so the pigments have different reflective qualities that react to light
differently?

annsan




Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Herb Chong wrote:

 newer Epson printers track the amount of ink in the cartridge in the
 cartridge itself. removing and replacing doesn't change what the cartridge
 says.


I can get it to keep printing when it is out by removing and replacing the
same cartridge - but it still won't run the nozzle check.

ann


 Herb
 - Original Message -
 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:44 AM
 Subject: Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

   Here's the trick to do a head cleaning when the ink is too low: take
   the cartridge out and put it back in.
  
   --jc
 
  I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to clean.  hmmm.
 
  a
 
 
 
 



re; Color correction software

2003-12-18 Thread Butch Black
Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a
difference between color temperatures of film  lighting.  For
example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film).

ASF's digital ROC works well most of the time and is available for Mac's
IIRC

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread graywolf
Almost all tripod use either a 1/4 or a 3/8 threaded mounting stud. As far as 
I know all Manfrotto heads will work with either. That said some of the larger 
heads will look very strange on a smaller tripod and not work very well with a 
smaller camera.

--

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
Quick question - are you able to use ANY manfrotto head on ANY manfrotto
tripod?  Or are only certain heads suited to certain tripods?
I have looked on a number of websites, but nothing seems to mention
compatibility, so I am guessing that I can pretty much order whichever head
I like and guarantee that it will suit whichever tripod that i want?
tan.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-18 Thread graywolf
Nikon belong alongside Mitsubishi already.

Pentax maybeso only independent in Nippon left.

(Methink pigeon english appropriate)

--

Andre Langevin wrote:

Konica bought Minolta

Who's going to buy Pentax?

Joe


Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon.

Andre


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Juey Chong Ong wrote:

 On Thursday, Dec 18, 2003, at 00:44 America/New_York, Ann Sanfedele
 wrote:

  I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to clean.  hmmm.

 When you put in an ink cartridge, it has to prime the cartridge by
 doing something similar to a head cleaning. That's why it makes the
 same groaning noises. I don't know if it's as thorough as a head
 cleaning (btw, if you perform several head cleanings in succession,
 each cleaning is a little more thorough --- and flushes more ink ---
 than the previous one), but it's worked for me before. You may have to
 fake more than one cartridge replacement.

 --jc

Thanks, Juey!  I have done repeated cleanings on occasion...
Seems to me the printer has to ask me to change the cartridge before I can
-
that is I couldnt get it into loading position unless it asked... but
that's ok, really.

ann




Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...

2003-12-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

ROFLOL - Cotty, when did you find the time to model for that?!!?!?
 
 and my favourite - a character in a poster:
 
 http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp

tan.

I was on weight-watchers at the time...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF

2003-12-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Did you use HSM version or non-HSM version?

I read reviews at photo.net. Few people said that HSM
facility will be used incase of Minolta body. 

Is HSM going to work on MZ-5n  *istD(for future)?

HSM stands for Hypersonic motor and is Sigma's answer to USM. Obviously
it refers to the motor that is actually in the lens, for those systems
that use a lens-driven AF method. The Pentax is not for the simple reason
that the motor that drives the AF is located in the camera body.

HTH.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

 Look at it this way: Yellow light has a wavelength around 575 nm.
 Combining red (650 nm) and green (500 nm) *doesn't* produce light of 575
 nm wavelength - you just have two separate wavelengths present at the
 same time - but it'll *look* the same as light of 575 nm wavelength to
 the human eye. Cool, huh?

Very cool :)   But something puzzles me. This all sounds like things that
apply to images on a monitor or stage lighting, for instance, but once you 
have a hard copy of something, you are dealing with pigment, yes?  

You're dealing with 4 pigments; cyan, yellow, magenta and black.
The cyan pigment reflects certain wavelengths and absorbs certain
wavelengths. Likewise, the yellow pigment reflects certain wavelengths
and absorbs certain wavelengths. When both cyan and yellow pigments are
present, there'll be two different sets of wavelengths reflected and
your eyes will perceive the result as red.

Given I have a piece of red cloth that is the same color as a piece of matte 
paper I've printed (and the same reflective um index)
they look the same in the same light to the (same) human eye.

When both cyan and yellow pigments are present, there'll be two
different sets of wavelengths reflected and your eyes will perceive the
result as red. Your red cloth is probably dyed with something that just
reflects red light so it'll be reflecting one wavelength (to simplify
slightly - it's probably reflecting dozens with just one dominating) -
it won't be the same wavelength as either the cyan *or* yellow pigments
in your print, but your eyes will see it as the same color.

umm so the pigments have different reflective qualities that react to light
differently?

It's possible.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Google name (was:Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...)

2003-12-18 Thread Butch Black
On 16/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

If one were silly enough to Google my name, the first item one would see is
my PDML Self Portrait (the famous bunny ears! g).  The next bunch of
entries are a few of my posts to PDML and the LUG.

I Googled myself and here's a couple of interesting ones:

I'm a hotel:

http://www.hotelcotty.com/default.htm

A type of thread:

http://www.gs-ukdirect.com/index.html?target=Thread_RangesCotty.html

A Firewall-piercing software:

http://fare.tunes.org/files/fwprc/

A car shampoo:

http://www.karshine.com/images/product_list_04/product_th04/cotty.html

and my favourite - a character in a poster:

http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp

It could be worse. Type in Butch Black and you'll get 6 or 7 pages of links
basically for African heritage lesbians before any link to me. And just for
the record (since I know someone is thinking this) I am not an African
lesbian :)

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: *istD and prime lens aperature

2003-12-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Robert Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The lack of deep 
resources is one of the few things thats preventing the Foveon 
technology from getting a stronger presence.

Yeah, that and being stuck in a Sigma camera body!
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Konica bought Minolta

Who's going to buy Pentax?

Not me; just spent all my spare cash on Christmas presents.
:-P

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread John Francis
 
 umm so the pigments have different reflective qualities that react to light
 differently?

Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: most light sources emit light across a broad range of
wavelengths.  The reflectivity of a pigment varies with wavelength,
so the amount of light reflected at any particular wavelength is the
product of the amount of light the light source emits at that waveength
and the reflectivity of the pigment.

The final stage is the reduction, by the light sensor (in your eye, or
on film, or on the CCD array of a *ist-D) to a single numeric value.
Sensors, too, are sensitive to a range of wavelengths, and effectively
sum (technically: convolve) all the effects of the illumination over
the range of wavelengths they respond to.  But the output from any one
sensor is a single number; this may be from fairly dim illumination over
a broad range of frequencies, a moderately bright light source at a
single wavelength close to the peak response of the sensor, or from
a very bright light source at a wavelength to which the sensor is not
particularly sensitive.  They all end up with the same single numeric
value, so there's no way for the sensor to distinguish between them.

A different sensor, with a slightly different response curve. may
well come up with different values for all three of those cases.
If one sensor is the human eye, and the other is your photographic
capture medium, it's possible for colours which appear identical
to one sensor to show up very differently on the other sensor.
[I've only talked about one sensor; the argument extends to the
three different colour sensors in the human eye, film, or CCD]

Even more complicated answer: not all colour comes from surface
reflectivity. Inkjet dyes (as opposed to pigments) work mainly as
a transmissive medium; the light gets it's colour from passing
through the dye, being reflected by the glossy white paper, and
passing back through the dye, which absorbs some part of the light.
The same sort of effects apply here as apply to reflected light.

In the real world, even most reflected light has a transmissive
component; the light penetrates some way into the pigment layer
before being reflected, and pigments are usually distributed in
a dispersal medium of some kind, which also affects the light.
The transmissive attenuation usually yields a different colour
from the absorption due to the pigment.  This is one reason for
colour shifts as the viewing angle goes from normal incidence
to grazing incidence; you're seeing more of the transmissive
effects, and less of the colour of the pigment.





OT: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

2003-12-18 Thread Cotty
Jees guys, any chance of cutting out the miles of replied-to text in
your posts while you sort out a venue for the PDMLOZ ??

Tanya and Ryan, this means you!


Ta.




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Re: Why P-TTL? Follow-up

2003-12-18 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Joseph Tainter wrote:
 Lawrence Kwan wrote:
 And in case of *ist, it can give priority in the matrix metering area
 corresponding to the focal point.  Off centered subjects is one example
 where P-TTL should be better.
 For this to work I assume one would have to use either the multi-point
 focusing (letting the camera decide what to focus on) or the selected
 point focusing. Using only the central sensor with focus lock on
 something off-center wouldn't work. Am I correct?

One of the custom function allows you to link the matrix metering with the
focal point.  I presume what you said above was correct when that custom
function was set.  If that custom function setting was turned off, then it
should behave as traditional matrix metering with no focus information
taken into account.

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Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread Butch Black
Mark E posted this and other stuff about printers -- all very interesting
but


 Epson 2200 $650
  ---
 (snip)

 Suffers from metamerism
 (colors look different under different light sources),

 ^

Huh?  Um - don't all things look different under different light sources?
What am I missing?

ann(moonlight becomes me, it goes with my hair...)san

The older Epson 2000 had a bad reputation for pretty severe metamerism. The
2200 is a lot better. I haven't seen any problems with the output on my
2200.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread kwaller
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:47:36 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Is the Photo Stylus an Epson?
 
 annsan

Yes, it is the Epson Stylus Photo, one of the first, if
not the first Photo quality printers from Epson.
Around $300 in 1996/7.
Kenneth Waller

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Re: Christmas present to myself...

2003-12-18 Thread Pat White
Congratulations!  The MZ-S is a real treat to use, along with its quality
build and great low-light AF.  Also, the data imprinting is useful in many
ways, including putting rolls of film in sequence when you get several
processed at the same time.  I really like my MZ-S!

Pat White




Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Pat White
Rob Studdert wrote:

They are all interchangeable. My 225 Pro head will fit on my Manfrotto table
top leg set although it's almost overloaded with anything other than an
Optio S
mounted :-)

You'd be surprised what the Manfrotto tabletop tripod will hold.  Mine held
the MZ-S with Sigma 70-200 2.8 and Metz 40 MZ-3 flash, all without flexing
or complaining.  Looked sorta neat.  I haven't tried the 6x7 on it; that
would look pretty wild!

Pat White




Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread brooksdj
 
 The older Epson 2000 had a bad reputation for pretty severe metamerism. The
 2200 is a lot better. I haven't seen any problems with the output on my
 2200.
 
 Butch
 
 Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.
 
 Hermann Hesse (Demian)
 

  Brendan has one,and he's not piping up here,so his must be ok thenG

I had a quick look at Canons i900 and i950 today at lunch. Looks very impressive and 
the
buggers 
switched ink tank locations on me.Just when my brain knew were everything was.lol
Prices were in the mid $300's Canadian.

One question the i900 has a usb 2  and the other just usb(1.1 i assume)Will the usb 2 
work
on the 
slower 1.1 connections or is an upgrade in order.I can live with the i950,with usb 
1.1,it
just has less on 
board printing capabilities which i dont neEd anyway.

DAVE




Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread alex wetmore
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One question the i900 has a usb 2 and the other just usb(1.1 i
 assume)Will the usb 2 work on the slower 1.1 connections or is an
 upgrade in order.

Yes, USB 2.0 devices are backwards compatible with USB 1.1.

I really like my Canon S9000.  It produces very good prints and it is
very easy to refill too.  My only problem is that it prints too fast
for Ilford Galerie Pearl so I always end up slowing down the print
speed.

alex



Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread David Zaninovic
You are right, it looks like Sunpak 3300 Pro is actually Slik 330 DX in gray color and 
$20 cheaper.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: OT- manfrotto tripods
 
 
  If that's the tripod I _think_ it is (two part extension, grooved legs,
  3-section legs), it's made by Slik and is a cheaper, less sturdy version
  of the DX-300.  I've seen it in the Slik label, and the 300 is a sturdier
  tripod for about $10 more.
  
  -Lon
  
  David Zaninovic wrote:
   While we are off topic with tripods...
   I am shopping for tripods.  Did anybody try Sunpak 3300 Pro with ball head ?



Re: Google name (was:Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...)

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Woohoo!  I must be doing something correct, I just googled Tanya Mayer and
my website is the  VERY first listing.  The rest of the first page also
lists other sites that link to mine such as Wedding Central Australia etc.
Yippee! LOVIN' those meta tags

Of course, a search for fairygirl yields MUCH different results!  *eek*

tan.



Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Dec 2003 at 11:17, Pat White wrote:

 You'd be surprised what the Manfrotto tabletop tripod will hold.  Mine held the
 MZ-S with Sigma 70-200 2.8 and Metz 40 MZ-3 flash, all without flexing or
 complaining.  Looked sorta neat.  I haven't tried the 6x7 on it; that would look
 pretty wild!

No surprises here :-)

I used my P67 and 105 or 45mm lenses on it regularly as they balance OK, the 
only problem was that the little 210 ball head that I usually use it with isn't 
too strong so it had to be locked extremely tight. It accommodates my Mamiya 7 
and any lens easily :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Google name (was:Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...)

2003-12-18 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 22:21, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
 Woohoo!  I must be doing something correct, I just googled Tanya Mayer and
 my website is the  VERY first listing.  The rest of the first page also
 lists other sites that link to mine such as Wedding Central Australia etc.
 Yippee! LOVIN' those meta tags
 
 Of course, a search for fairygirl yields MUCH different results!  *eek*
 
 tan.
Interesting, I googled as well, and found contributions of myself to a linux mailing 
list, and my website, but also this one: http://www.scz.org/fun/jungadv/ja012.html
In 1997 I won the third prize with this photo, I didn't realised they use it on their 
website. Nice zoo BTW, we enjoyed it a lot when we lived in Wichita, KS.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



PUG themes and submissions

2003-12-18 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Hi everybody,

Sorry to ask something that may be old news, but I wasn't able
to fully understand the new PUG rules.
Is it correct that we have a separate open section each month?
If so, how many pictures we are allowed to submit? Just one,
chosing among the monthly theme and the open gallery, or one for
each section?
Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Gianfranco

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heads up for LX lovers...

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2972820826category=15240

not much feedback, but looks like a pretty good deal...

tan.



Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Pieter Nagel
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 06:39:10AM -0500, Herb Chong wrote:
 newer Epson printers track the amount of ink in the cartridge in the
 cartridge itself.

Actually the cartridges don't really sense how much ink is really there.
They just have a simple counter that gets decreased proportionate to how
much ink the printer thinks its using.

Of course, Epson would rather have the cartridge show empty when there's
some ink left, instead of running out of ink when it shows some ink
left. Less nasty surprises for the user that way (and more regular ink
purchases, too...)

One can buy resetters that reset the cartridges to showing full, which
allows one to print until they are *really* empty - but one still doesn't
know when it will *really* run empty.

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Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
For those who made suggestions about *istD settings and the curious,
here are the Santa pics that I took on Saturday.  These images are
straight from the camera with no manipulation of any type.  Pages were
generated by Adobe Photoshop Album.

http://www.daytonclan.com/PrimarySanta2003/Adobe/index.html


If you want any more info, let me know.

Thanks,

Bruce




Re: OT- manfrotto tripods

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
most higher end tripods from any vendor have standard threaded screws and
the higher end heads will have matching sockets.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: OT- manfrotto tripods


 Quick question - are you able to use ANY manfrotto head on ANY manfrotto
 tripod?  Or are only certain heads suited to certain tripods?

 I have looked on a number of websites, but nothing seems to mention
 compatibility, so I am guessing that I can pretty much order whichever
head
 I like and guarantee that it will suit whichever tripod that i want?




Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Are you saying that the ones that look alright are the unmanipulated
ones or the ones that had auto levels done?  I didn't change stops at
all.  One thought is that the Gossen meter is reading reading slightly
off.

My question still stands:
Is it better to slightly underexpose on the DSLR?

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Thursday, December 18, 2003, 4:26:42 PM, you wrote:

PS Many are very nice, but some appear to be underexposed. Did you give
PS your flash time to recycle? Did you change stops?
PS Paul
PS On Dec 18, 2003, at 6:40 PM, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:






Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
based on another post, your printer is an older one with dumb cartridges.
there seems to be a second ink capacity detection system.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations


 Herb Chong wrote:

  newer Epson printers track the amount of ink in the cartridge in the
  cartridge itself. removing and replacing doesn't change what the
cartridge
  says.
 

 I can get it to keep printing when it is out by removing and replacing
the
 same cartridge - but it still won't run the nozzle check.




Re: re; Color correction software

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
there are several sets of them. one of the ones i use is from
www.cytopia.com, but the guy doesn't seem to be selling them anymore. i use
them a fair amount. now that i have Photoshop CS, i don't care anymore.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: re; Color correction software


 Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a
 difference between color temperatures of film  lighting.  For
 example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film).

 ASF's digital ROC works well most of the time and is available for Mac's
 IIRC




Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Bill Owens
My very unscientific opinion so far is that it's best to overexpose rather
than underexpose.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Santa Pics


 Are you saying that the ones that look alright are the unmanipulated
 ones or the ones that had auto levels done?  I didn't change stops at
 all.  One thought is that the Gossen meter is reading reading slightly
 off.

 My question still stands:
 Is it better to slightly underexpose on the DSLR?

 -- 
 Best regards,
 Bruce



 Thursday, December 18, 2003, 4:26:42 PM, you wrote:

 PS Many are very nice, but some appear to be underexposed. Did you give
 PS your flash time to recycle? Did you change stops?
 PS Paul
 PS On Dec 18, 2003, at 6:40 PM, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:









Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
I generally over expose on purpose - I prefer the effect, and it is almost
always salvagable if something goes too wrong, but under is a whole other
story...

Bill said: My very unscientific opinion so far is that it's best to
overexpose rather than underexpose.

tan.



Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
for print film, you have err on the side of overexposure.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics


 I generally over expose on purpose - I prefer the effect, and it is almost
 always salvagable if something goes too wrong, but under is a whole
other
 story...




RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I generally over expose on purpose - I prefer the effect,
 and it is almost
 always salvagable if something goes too wrong, but under
 is a whole other
 story...

He was shooting digital.

Generally it's better to underexpose if you're not sure you can nail
it. Overexposure burns out highlights, underexposure is fairly easily
salvaged.

tv





RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Bob Rapp
What is the latitude with digital?

Bob

-Original Message-
From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

He was shooting digital.

Generally it's better to underexpose if you're not sure you can nail




Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Herb Chong
a bit less than color print film with normal sensors.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics


 What is the latitude with digital?



Re: Tokina 28-80 F2.8 ATX PRO

2003-12-18 Thread Ramesh Kumar
Thanks for detailed mail
Ramesh 
--- Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Joe,
 
 How can you tell if you got one from a bad batch?
 It doesn't sharpens up when you use smaller
 apertures
 at some focal lengths or what?
 
 I noticed on some shots I had taken in Paris that
 there was pronounced 
 lateral softness. It was only a few images out of a
 couple of hundred, 
 and I was not sure of the focal length or f-stop on
 those shots. So I 
 tested it systematically, 28, 35, 50, and 80 mm.,
 all f stops to 16. It 
 turns out that the weakness was at 50 mm. f5.6, and
 a bit at f8.0. When 
 I got the replacement I also tested it
 systematically and found it was 
 superb.
 
 The test was on a tripod, using Provia 100F. I then
 scanned the images 
 on a Nikon LS 2000 and looked at them at 200% to
 300% magnification in 
 Photoshop, no sharpening.
 
 Then, of all things, the Tokina techs said nothing
 about it being soft, 
 but said that it had low contrast. I had not
 complained about that. A 
 batch went out with a bad rear element, or so I am
 told. Tokina tried 
 first to replace the rear element group, then gave
 that up and sent me a 
 replacement.
 
 So if you buy a used one, test it systematically.
 
 Joe
 


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RE: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-18 Thread Alan Chan
Zoom creeping is normal for the SMC PENTAX-A 70-210/4 and there is nothing 
can be done.

Yours regards,
Alan Chan
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Re: heads up for LX lovers...

2003-12-18 Thread Alan Chan
Even if the reservse were $500, the deal is not super consider everything 
else aren't worth much. Not to mention the expensive sevice bill afterward 
for such old version LX.

Yours regards,
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Re: PUG themes and submissions

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 Sorry to ask something that may be old news, but I wasn't able
 to fully understand the new PUG rules.
 Is it correct that we have a separate open section each month?
 If so, how many pictures we are allowed to submit? Just one,
 chosing among the monthly theme and the open gallery, or one for
 each section?
 Thanks in advance.

 Ciao,

 Gianfranco

 =

We took a vote and I'm pretty sure ONE A MONTH won :)
You have your choice of open or the theme of the moment.

Oh my god it is already the 19th!
I have to go dig up an animal

annsan


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Re: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:

  Look at it this way: Yellow light has a wavelength around 575 nm.
  Combining red (650 nm) and green (500 nm) *doesn't* produce light of 575
  nm wavelength - you just have two separate wavelengths present at the
  same time - but it'll *look* the same as light of 575 nm wavelength to
  the human eye. Cool, huh?
 
 Very cool :)   But something puzzles me. This all sounds like things that
 apply to images on a monitor or stage lighting, for instance, but once you
 have a hard copy of something, you are dealing with pigment, yes?

 You're dealing with 4 pigments; cyan, yellow, magenta and black.
 The cyan pigment reflects certain wavelengths and absorbs certain
 wavelengths. Likewise, the yellow pigment reflects certain wavelengths
 and absorbs certain wavelengths. When both cyan and yellow pigments are
 present, there'll be two different sets of wavelengths reflected and
 your eyes will perceive the result as red.

 Given I have a piece of red cloth that is the same color as a piece of matte
 paper I've printed (and the same reflective um index)
 they look the same in the same light to the (same) human eye.

 When both cyan and yellow pigments are present, there'll be two
 different sets of wavelengths reflected and your eyes will perceive the
 result as red. Your red cloth is probably dyed with something that just
 reflects red light so it'll be reflecting one wavelength (to simplify
 slightly - it's probably reflecting dozens with just one dominating) -
 it won't be the same wavelength as either the cyan *or* yellow pigments
 in your print, but your eyes will see it as the same color.

 umm so the pigments have different reflective qualities that react to light
 differently?

 It's possible.

 --

Thanks, Teach! :)
ann


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 Photography and writing
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Re[4]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
On print film I would agree.  However, with a ccd, once you get to all
white, there is no data left, much like a slide.  You can always
lighten up a darker image, but you can't darken an image that has
clipped white.  Make sense?

Bruce



Thursday, December 18, 2003, 6:39:02 PM, you wrote:

TMP I generally over expose on purpose - I prefer the effect, and it is almost
TMP always salvagable if something goes too wrong, but under is a whole other
TMP story...

TMP Bill said: My very unscientific opinion so far is that it's best to
TMP overexpose rather than underexpose.

TMP tan.





Re: Google name (was:Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...)

2003-12-18 Thread Butch Black
Unfortunately Mark Roberts is a much more common name so I'm only the
5th web site listed. Even more unfortunate is what happens to be the
*first* one listed...


I don't know Mark, it sounds like good exposure to me :0) (someone had to
say it)

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: Re[4]: Santa Pics

2003-12-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Dayton
Subject: Re[4]: Santa Pics


 On print film I would agree.  However, with a ccd, once you get to all
 white, there is no data left, much like a slide.  You can always
 lighten up a darker image, but you can't darken an image that has
 clipped white.  Make sense?

Yes, and no.
I was just looking through my hard drive for something doggish to contribute
to this months PUG.
Probably I should have contributed nothing...but
Anyway, most of my doggie pictures are of black dogs, and the noise levels
are pretty awful.

William Robb



Unusual lens

2003-12-18 Thread Paul Eriksson
This must be one of the most unusual Pentax lenses around

http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2970708145category=4688

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RE: Unusual lens

2003-12-18 Thread Bob Rapp
I have seen them appear numerous times. For a real trip, check and see his
present Pentax offerings. If I were a bidder, I would be happy to know that
no one could see how dumb I really was g.

Bob

-Original Message-
From: Paul Eriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2003 5:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Unusual lens


This must be one of the most unusual Pentax lenses around

http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2970708145category=4
688

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Re: Unusual lens

2003-12-18 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Paul Eriksson a écrit:

This must be one of the most unusual Pentax lenses around

http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2970708145category=4688 

/Paul

That's not not a lens !!
Is an 90° mirror adaptor
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/adapters/90degreeMirror.jpg
Michel