Re: PAW #8 (the sequel) Angel of Soap was: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/1/2004 4:36:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2253677

cheers,
frank
-
I'd crop it.

Okay, I am a little behind on my PAW comments. Okay, I am a LOT behind on my 
PAW comments (wait until I comment on a PAW from over a month ago. No, I 
probably won't do it. :-))

And when I go back and read a thread, I start at the beginning and sometimes 
comment before I reach the end.

So I bet someone already said that -- long, long ago.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)



Re: DSLR slide duplicator

2004-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Farr


 William,

 I remember that thread.  The pertinant remark in your message was
that the
 execution of the theory was still (at that time) in the future.
Results are
 still to be shared AFAIK.

I think the best lens I have for this at the moment is the 100mm
bellows.
I will dig out the duping equipment in a day or so and see if I can't
make something work.
Mostly what I want to know is how long an extension I need for the
duplicator, and if I can pirate a long bellows from another peice to
make it light tight.


 However the Soligor option is on the market, at least in Germany,
as I
 write.

For some reason, I didn't makage to see that page.

William Robb





Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: graywolf

Subject: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


 Perhaps the sensor has difficulty with 1/15,000th of a second
exposures? It
 seems to have problems with 1 second exposures on the other end
too.

 This it called reciprocity failure with film.

Doesn't the istD use a CDS cell?

William Robb





Re: Whew.

2004-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: gfen
Subject: Re: Whew.


 On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, William Robb wrote:
  I don't see large format being supplanted by little digital
cameras,
  they are just too different in their capabilities.

 Except the people who make the desicions on what to buy aren't
concerned
 with the HOW or WHY of something, only the results. And for them
digital
 may very well be good enough.

I like to think that by the time you decide your work needs large
format, you are educated past that point.



  I predict that the present generation of photographers will be
the
  last to use film, and that it will become essentially dead within
5
  years.

 Now, do you feel this is for ALL aspects, for just for general use?
Again,
 I like to hope that film will retain a certain appeal, and thus be
 produced, for the artists of the world while the general populace
moves to
 digital for everything.

The essentially dead part is the black and white niche market hanging
on. Hopefully, it will stay large enough to keep a company afloat to
make the stuff.


  Digital is still hobbled by 8 bit printing, which can wreak havoc
on
  the look of the picture. According to
  one of the Noristsu people I have talked to, 16 bit is going to
  require a large increase in data tranfer rates to be viable. He
was
  talking about bus speeds in the gigahertz range.

 So, does that mean that film, in roll and 35mm, will continue to
hold onto
 some the higher levels for now until digital printing can further
close
 its gap?

Not if you can no longer get optical printing done. RA-4 is not a
process that lends itself to home processing, and commercial
processing is going 100% digital.

I bet there are some good deals on large commercial processing
machines out there right now though.


  Before anybody hawks a loogie at this, I see it every day in my
lab.
  The pictures coming off the optical printer look better than
those
  coming from film off the digital printer.

 Now, from a professional opinion, does this still hold true when
comparing
 prints from a Frontier at a drug store versus an older optical
printer
 from a drug store? I do need a place to send the occasional roll of
colour
 35mm film, and quite frankly, am happy paying bargain drug store
prices
 for the initial 4x6s, then using the decent, expensive, lab to
print any
 enlargments?

I have the luxury of having a quite good optical machine, and a state
of the art digital printer side by side. Both print on the same
paper, and use the same chemistry. The chemical controls are even
fairly close.
The optical prints just look like they have more depth than the
digital product. Same neg, printed on both mahines, almost always,
the optical print looks better.

Digital printing does have an advantage with either very long, or
very short range negatives.


  Where digital is really weak (well, actually, totally useless,
IMHO)
  is for black and white. There are not many good black and white
  options out there for getting from digital to print, and none of
them
  match the qualities of a well made silver print.

 A certain part of me is very smug about this, and glad. For
predominatly
 greedy interests, I hope it continues to be. My only concern going
into
 the future and next half of my life is that BW film will continue
to be
 produced, I've long ago given up colour pictures for nearly
anything but
 fun, and I'm happy to let digital rule that domain.

  Whether this bodes well for black and white film is anyones
guess. I
  hope it is.

 ...fingers crossed.


Yup.

William Robb




Re: PAW: Cadet at Cannon

2004-04-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/17/2004 7:31:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/


As always, comments are welcome.  In this case, however, feel free to
comment about any shot of this kind (a military parade) because they do
this every day and I can go back and shoot more anytime.  They fire the
cannons every day at 5, and it always startles me if I'm walking to my
car at that time.


Steven Desjardins

Nice pic. I'd probably take it closer up, angled more up, with clouds in the 
sky.

Well, you did ask, hehehe. Said you could take it again, hehehe.

I.E. To make the flag/canon juxtaposition more prominent, the canon more 
imposing, the flag more impressive, and the overall pic more God Bless America.

Marnie aka Doe  So shoot me. ;-) OTOH, if you got closer, would he shoot you?



RE: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Jens Bladt
I never realized that Metz was expensive.
In Denmark a Pentax FA500FTZ used to cost (mine) 800-1000$ - it's a very
nice and a very high quality flash.

A Mecablitz (Metz flash) cost about half of that - a 54 MZ 3 is about 300
Euro in Germany - about 375 $. Considering the quality, I'd say it's it's
very good value for money. (I have an old Metz flash (45 CT 1), still
working exactly like the day I got it in 1981).

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. april 2004 04:35
Til: pdml
Emne: RE: TTL flash with the *ist D


Jens wrote:

 Metz recommends these three shoe mount flashes for the *ist D:
  mecablitz 54 MZ-4
  mecablitz 54 MZ-3
  mecablitz 44 MZ-2

Well, these are pricey puppies. Given the reports we've had about the
problems DSLRs have with flash, I certainly wouldn't buy one before
seeing thorough test reports.

Joe





RE: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Jens Bladt
I don't reallyh believe that. Flash light is often just 1/50.000 of one
second. I find it hard to believe that reciprocity failure makes more than a
marginal difference - hardly visible to the human eye. The problem must lie
eleswhere.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. april 2004 00:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


Perhaps the sensor has difficulty with 1/15,000th of a second exposures? It
seems to have problems with 1 second exposures on the other end too.

This it called  with film.

--

Jens Bladt wrote:

 ...I wonder why they can't seem to cut off the flash light at the right
 time?. This isn't exactly new technology - at  least 20 years old.
 Jens



The nature of DSLR's
in general seems to be weak TTL flash. I have heard the same
complaint from both Nikon and Canon users.


 Jens Bladt
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sendt: 19. april 2004 19:48
 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


 I agree.  I have the AF400FTZ and the AF240FT, and they are both hopeless
 with the *ist D.  Sadly, the problem is not consistent, so you can't
 reliably compensate for it.

 What does work well, for me, is the AF240Z, which is a smallish dedicated,
 non-TTL, flash with zoom, bounce and swivel.  It works fine when both
 flash and camera are in program mode.

 John

 On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:58:41 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


- Original Message -
From: Joseph Tainter
Subject: TTL flash with the *ist D




So...has anyone found a shoe-mounted flash that will do ordinary

TTL

with the *ist D, at the full ISO range? I mean, one that works

about

like it would on a 35 mm. body without glaring exposure problems.


The istD analogue TTL works more or less OK at ISO 400, not very well
at 200, and I haven't tried it at faster speeds. The nature of DSLR's
in general seems to be weak TTL flash. I have heard the same
complaint from both Nikon and Canon users.


Question 2:

While I'm at it, what is everyone's experience with the rtf? I

tried it

the other day, at ISO 400, with the SMC F 70-210, at -0.5 EV. It

was a

portrait of my dog's face, taken from about 3 meters. Even with the
negative exposure compensation, I thought it was a bit overexposed,
though nothing that I couldn't correct in PS.

The RTF will have the same acuracy weakness as the larger flash,
without the range to go along with it. I haven't found it to be
overly accurate. I think the best option is a dedicated, non TTL
flash. I am thinking the AF 280T might be a good one to try.

William Robb







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OT: Me to XP Upgrade Follow Up

2004-04-20 Thread Eactivist
Okay, okay, now that I've used XP a couple of weeks (or is it less than 
that?), I have to admit I've had a lot less problems with it than I did with Me. 
Smoother bootup and shut down. No funny things happening (though I didn't have 
that MANY funny things happening).

It was a major PITA to install over Me (without reformatting). Took me about 
four days and tons of agony (I's recommend a clean install to anyone, but I 
didn't want to reinstall all the freeware/shareware, etc. that I had on my HD. 
Plus I have been a computer consultant in the misty past, so I was able finally 
to figure all the hitches out, also with the help of a lot of Internet 
research on XP installation hitches).

So each and everyone one of you that recommended I dump Me, that it was 
unstable -- was right. (And it was recommended to me more than once. Recently and 
about six months ago. So that covers a lot of people.)

So, ta-da-da-boom, get ready, here it is...

YOU WERE RIGHT!!!

Marnie aka Doe   And I am a big enough woman to admit it. ;-)



Remote Assistant for Mac

2004-04-20 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Japanese translated by Babelfish
http://babel.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_enurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pentax.co.jp%2fjapan%2fsupport%2fdownload%2fdigital%2fistd_remote-mac.html
English or japanese software ??



Re: Mat sizes in the US (Texas)

2004-04-20 Thread David Mann
On Apr 20, 2004, at 01:59, William Robb wrote:

Vegemite sandwiches are disgusting no matter what else you put into
them.
Agreed.

I'm more of a Marmite fan.  Marmite is best spread thin as the flavour 
is very strong.

My personal favourite at the moment is banana, honey and roasted cashew 
nuts.  Or if cashew nuts aren't available I add a light sprinkling of 
powdered cinnamon.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/



Used words in Pentax discussions - lost CDR drives

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Pentax users
I really have to disable my excellent freeware spam filter (for windows
systems) from www.spamihilator.com
for this discussion group - luckily I have a separate mail account for that.
You seem to use a lot of spam words, so have a look in your filter
configurations, maybe there is/was some mail
blocked there.

To Shel:
did the solution to your lost CDROM problem (the .reg File from Adaptec I
described) work?

have a nice day
Markus Maurer







using both flash connectors

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi photographers

is there a risk of overloading the connectors if I use both flash connectors
on a Pentax ME Super at the same
time, for ex. an Pentax AF280T on the hot shoe and some NonPentaxFlash on
the side connector ? And, how is it with
a Pentax SFX/SF1/SF7, can I also use both connectors at the same time?

Can I combine any brand of flash and beside the limited length of the cable
connection, is there a difference in quality
or else to a master/slave connection with a special slave adapter for the
second flash?

thanks for any answers
Markus Maurer








AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Norm
what really makes me wonder:
Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?
Do the light M-Series lenses still exist and is anybody favoring them
instead of the faster heavier lenses?
I'm I wrong, that with faster film maximum aperture is not that important?
How does the M-Series 28mm 3.5 compare to the standard lens?

saluti
Markus Maurer



-

I've got one and I think it's an awesome lens...slow yes, but it really
performs, especially when it comes to lack of light fall-off in the corners.




Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Alan Chan
Haven't Metz been offering this feature for years?

Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
and a really nifty feature - it can output right down to 1/256 power!
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Re: AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Apr 2004 at 8:58, Markus Maurer wrote:

 Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?

I used to use my A24/2.8 regularly but a couple of years back I sold it and 
bought the FA24/2. Since then I hardly shoot 24mm, it is just too big to be 
practical day to day, I wish I hadn't sold my old A lens.

 Do the light M-Series lenses still exist and is anybody favoring them
 instead of the faster heavier lenses?
 I'm I wrong, that with faster film maximum aperture is not that important?

It depends upon the prevailing light of course, sometimes the extra speed makes 
the difference between getting a usable shot and not.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



AF500 FTZ

2004-04-20 Thread Shaun Canning
Hi Gang, 

Just listed my AF 500 FTZ if anyone is interested? No reserve.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=15240item=381
1091089ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT

Unit is in perfect shape!

Cheers

Shaun






Re: Mat sizes in the US (Texas)

2004-04-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:37:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My personal favourite at the moment is banana, honey and roasted cashew 
nuts.  Or if cashew nuts aren't available I add a light sprinkling of 
powdered cinnamon.

Cheers,

- Dave

Yum! That sounds delicious.

Marnie aka Doe   Wish I hadn't read that. It also sounds super fattening. (I 
will NOT try it, I will NOT try it, I will NOT...



RE: AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Andy Chang
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

On 20 Apr 2004 at 8:58, Markus Maurer wrote:

 Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?

I used to use my A24/2.8 regularly but a couple of years back I sold it and 
bought the FA24/2. Since then I hardly shoot 24mm, it is just too big to be 
practical day to day, I wish I hadn't sold my old A lens.

--
That's exactly why I hesitate to buy any of the * lenses... I need
portability...

Andy







RE: Me to XP Upgrade Follow Up

2004-04-20 Thread Malcolm Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay, okay, now that I've used XP a couple of weeks (or is it 
 less than that?), I have to admit I've had a lot less 
 problems with it than I did with Me. 
 Smoother bootup and shut down. No funny things happening 
 (though I didn't have that MANY funny things happening).

Every manufacturer, at least once, produces a new product which is worse
than the one it is supposed to supersede. Ford had the Edsel. Microsoft had
ME, which crashed more often than a Ferrari with three wheels.

As I understand it, an operating system is launched as a catch all product;
it has to be easy to operate, cover all the angles of the vast spectrum of
every possible computer use and be backward compatible with older software.
As with digital cameras being able to use older lenses, it is awash with
compromises.

We have three computers, one running XP Pro, one laptop running W3.1 (which
will go very soon for another laptop - a Mac for me) and an older machine
which runs NT4 (my favourite, fussy about accepting software, yet to crash).
My next move from XP Pro will be to Linux.

Malcolm 




Re: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just saw this lens up for bid on Ebay.

Unless you are selling it, please refrain from posting ebay auctions
on the list. This has been covered to death in the list in the past.

Thanks,
Kostas



Re: AF500 FTZ

2004-04-20 Thread mapson
At 05:57 PM 20/04/2004, you wrote:
Hi Gang,

Just listed my AF 500 FTZ if anyone is interested? No reserve.


Sorry have 3 myself :-(

   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: birds and turtles

2004-04-20 Thread Herb Chong
i have done only a few tests where i compared the two lenses side by side
and then, only wide open performance under cloudy bright skies and focused
moderately close, at about 30 feet. under those conditions, the A* 400 f2.8
is slightly sharper and slightly more contrasty. the sharpness may be a
consequence of a brighter viewfinder and the resulting better ability to
manual focus on the *istD screen. the Pentax L extenders on the A* are
slightly sharper than the Sigma extenders on the FA* lens. BTW, the swan is
a female mute swan. did you notice the turtle on the side of the nest? a
whimsical caption would be Mom?

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: birds and turtles


 Nice shots, Herb. My favorites are the reflected goose and sleeping
 Trumpeter (?) swan.

 How does the A* 400 compare to the FA* 400?




Re: AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Steve Jolly
Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Norm
what really makes me wonder:
Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?
Do the light M-Series lenses still exist and is anybody favoring them
instead of the faster heavier lenses?
I'm trying to end up with a camera kit that I'd be prepared to carry up 
mountains - I think that an ME Super plus M28/3.5 would be pretty much 
ideal, perhaps with an M50/1.7 too.  Consequently I won't be bidding on 
that K28/3.5 :-)

I'm I wrong, that with faster film maximum aperture is not that important?
How does the M-Series 28mm 3.5 compare to the standard lens?
What do you mean by the standard lens?  The M28/3.5 has the reputation 
of being almost as good as the K28/3.5, although I've never tried either.

S



Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Steve Jolly
No, I think it's an interesting suggestion.  Perhaps describing the 
problem as reciprocity failure gives the wrong impression, but it could 
be that the main sensor of the camera just responds non-linearly to 
light as bright as that from a flash, which would make the TTL meter's 
light estimate inapplicable without correction.

S

Jens Bladt wrote:
I don't reallyh believe that. Flash light is often just 1/50.000 of one
second. I find it hard to believe that reciprocity failure makes more than a
marginal difference - hardly visible to the human eye. The problem must lie
eleswhere.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. april 2004 00:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D
Perhaps the sensor has difficulty with 1/15,000th of a second exposures? It
seems to have problems with 1 second exposures on the other end too.
This it called  with film.

--

Jens Bladt wrote:


...I wonder why they can't seem to cut off the flash light at the right
time?. This isn't exactly new technology - at  least 20 years old.
Jens



The nature of DSLR's
in general seems to be weak TTL flash. I have heard the same
complaint from both Nikon and Canon users.


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 19. april 2004 19:48
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D
I agree.  I have the AF400FTZ and the AF240FT, and they are both hopeless
with the *ist D.  Sadly, the problem is not consistent, so you can't
reliably compensate for it.
What does work well, for me, is the AF240Z, which is a smallish dedicated,
non-TTL, flash with zoom, bounce and swivel.  It works fine when both
flash and camera are in program mode.
John

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:58:41 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


- Original Message -
From: Joseph Tainter
Subject: TTL flash with the *ist D




So...has anyone found a shoe-mounted flash that will do ordinary
TTL


with the *ist D, at the full ISO range? I mean, one that works
about


like it would on a 35 mm. body without glaring exposure problems.

The istD analogue TTL works more or less OK at ISO 400, not very well
at 200, and I haven't tried it at faster speeds. The nature of DSLR's
in general seems to be weak TTL flash. I have heard the same
complaint from both Nikon and Canon users.


Question 2:

While I'm at it, what is everyone's experience with the rtf? I
tried it


the other day, at ISO 400, with the SMC F 70-210, at -0.5 EV. It
was a


portrait of my dog's face, taken from about 3 meters. Even with the
negative exposure compensation, I thought it was a bit overexposed,
though nothing that I couldn't correct in PS.
The RTF will have the same acuracy weakness as the larger flash,
without the range to go along with it. I haven't found it to be
overly accurate. I think the best option is a dedicated, non TTL
flash. I am thinking the AF 280T might be a good one to try.
William Robb







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Re: ME question

2004-04-20 Thread Steve Jolly
You're thinking of the ME Super :-)  The ME doesn't support even that 
extremely basic level of flash automation.

S

graywolf wrote:
The ME will only set the shutter speed if you use a Pentax dedicated 
flash. The Vivitar 285 is not a dedicated flash. Neither the ME, nor the 
285 are TTL capable.

Use the 100X setting, or slower. Set the f-stop to one suggested on the 
flash dial, and the flash to that also.




Another ubiquitous acronym confusee..

2004-04-20 Thread Ryan Lee
Hi all! Just trying to fly under the radar these days, still following some
interesting threads though- thanks all for the good reading. Just a quick
clarification needed in topic acronyms, probably a silly one at which
someone's slapping a forehead.. What does AW: stand for?

Rgds,
Ryan




NG Posting

2004-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
-

Subject: WTB: Pentax 6x7 zoom  
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:28:42 -0400  
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace.medium-format  

Anybody have either of the 2 zooms made for this camera?
Pls let me know.

thanks
dan

 





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Q: Pentax 5,5x lupe

2004-04-20 Thread Matti Etelapera
Hi,

I did some research on the Pentax 5,5x lupe. Judging by the specs it seems
to be one of the best alternatives for a photographer with glasses -
mainly because of it´s big eye relief. The thing is that there are totally
contradictory verdicts on a possible distortion problem. Three reviews on
the net say there is huge pincushion distortion and two say there is none.  
Is there a quality control issue with Pentax or whats going on here? Any
comments?

  -Matti



RE: A lesson in flash with the *ist D...(now a bit OT)

2004-04-20 Thread Frits Wüthrich
With my Metz 40MZ-2 with the SCA3701, I simply switch the flash to auto
instead of TTL, and it works. So I have no need for a PC connection for
switching to auto. My advantage is that when setting the flash to auto,
the flash still gets the data from the camera regarding used
sensitivity, aperture and length of the lens, and the auto zoom of the
flash works as well. Even the range at which you can get good exposure
is indicated. So auto is really full auto, very easy. And I don't have
to use the ISO setting of the *ist D at 400, it works at other settings
as well.

On TTL the *ist D is easy more then one stop off, in my case
underexposure.



On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 17:25, David Miers wrote:
 Ok now I'm getting a bit confused.  Could someone clarify a few points for
 me please.  I currently use the AF360FGZ on the PZ-1p and PZ-1 as well as
 with some older cameras.  I liked the fact that it is supposed to be
 completely backward compatible with all Pentax cameras.  I am aware that
 this flash uses only standard TTL with these units and automatically
 switches to P-TTL with the newer ones.  However I was under the impression
 that standard auto flash and manual were still available with all the
 cameras that were supposed to support this function including the *istD.  Is
 this right?  I bought the AF360FGZ with the idea that it would be more
 compatible with future Pentax cameras that might come my way plus it has
 slave, wireless, and high speed sync with the appropriate cameras.  I
 realize that the AF360FGZ is not the most powerful flash on the market, but
 thought it should be sufficient for my needs going by the guide number.
 
 When using the auto and manual functions does the auto zoom head function
 properly on autofocus cameras?  Also what types of camera metering function
 with which flash functions?  I have normally shot multisegment metering with
 flash in the past and have had really good results thus far.  However I
 haven't used my Pentax gear that much with flash.  I have usually been using
 my Minolta gear for this need.  I did have to use my PZ-1 as a backup camera
 one time at a wedding reception as my Minolta with the lens I was using was
 having some major focus problems with the lighting conditions.  A bit of
 experimentation later proved it was a lens problem and not the body.
 However using the PZ-1 that night impressed me greatly on how well it was
 locking on focus quickly without a great deal of searching.  I didn't even
 have a external flash with me and had to use the on camera popup unit.  I
 still got some great shots that were properly exposed with this handicap.  I
 wish I would have had an external flash with to compare the results.
 
 Since I have a much better lens line up in Pentax, I have been strongly
 considering dumping the Minolta equipment to buy a *istD.  However this
 thread is making me really wonder about the wisdom of this decision.
 Minolta is supposed to also be releasing a DSLR based on their 7 model.
 One of it's strong points is image stabilization, but I'm not feeling I need
 that function all that badly.  I strongly suspect this will be out of my
 price tag zone and hate to give up my Pentax equipment to finance such a
 move.  The questions surrounding P-TTL flash and this coming camera are
 being highly debated in their camp as well.  The general consensus is that
 no one wants to have to use it and give up standard TTL flash which is
 highly accurate in their cameras, but fear that P-TTL will be required for
 digital flash.  Right now the P-TTL can be controlled with either not by not
 using the D series lenses.  They are also afraid that the D series lens
 will be required for flash use.  Some of the Minolta camp is jumping ship to
 Canon to avoid the P-TTL, but I thought Canon used it too?  Anyone know what
 the status of Nikon is with P-TTL?
 
 I feel that using multi segment metering or at the very least center
 weighted metering is very important to me for candid type shots.  When
 setting up a formal posed situation all the manual ideas are great and nice
 to be able to work towards whatever idea you have in mind.  However when
 doing candid shots such at a wedding reception things are happening very
 fast.  I just don't see myself having the time to consider all the valid
 points of lighting existing in the situation and making the corresponding
 manual adjustments.  I really need the camera computers to figure this out
 for me so I can get the shot and not still be there trying to figure it all
 out after the moment has passed.  Maybe this is a so called Point and
 Shooter viewpoint, but I would rather get the shot and debate the should
 haves afterwards.  I am aware the *istD will default to P-TTL, but will
 auto flash be available with the AF360FGZ, or will I have to use an older fl
 ash to get this function?
 
 Confused again!
 
 Dave
 
 --
 My Metz 60 CT-2 has measured to within ± 1/10 of a stop, at ranges
 from 6 feet 

Re: Another ubiquitous acronym confusee..

2004-04-20 Thread danilo
as of www.dictionary.com:

a.w.
abbr.

   1. also A/Wactual weight.
   2. all water.

OR

aw
interj.

Used to express sympathy, tenderness, disapproval, or disbelief.

OR

.aw
abbr.

Aruba (in Internet addresses).

OR

   1. aircraft warning.
   2. Articles of War.
   3. automatic weapon.

OR

look here:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dictString=exactAcronym=AW

too much results

And did u know the RTFM  acronymous? ;)

ciao
Danilo


Alle 11:09, martedì 20 aprile 2004, Ryan Lee ha scritto:
 Hi all! Just trying to fly under the radar these days, still following some
 interesting threads though- thanks all for the good reading. Just a quick
 clarification needed in topic acronyms, probably a silly one at which
 someone's slapping a forehead.. What does AW: stand for?

 Rgds,
 Ryan




Re: OT: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's nice Frank. And the shot is a great fit for the poster. It works  
well with the type. Congratulations.
Paul
On Apr 19, 2004, at 7:18 PM, frank theriault wrote:

So, I stop at the Jet Fuel Cafe on the way home today.  Order an  
Americano, and as I'm sipping, I glance over at the bulletin board,  
and see an 11x14 one of these:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2299359

I've never seen one of my photos displayed in a public place without  
expecting it to be there (ie:  a show).  Kind of blew my mind!  Some  
of you may recall that I took some concert shots of Jennifer, and gave  
her the proofs, saying that she could use them as she pleased  
(including for promo stuff).

She said that she liked them, but it's kind of nice to see that she  
really meant it!  I take it as a real compliment from her.

She's also using the same design on her handbills, one of which this  
is scanned from.

The whole thing kind of made my day...

cheers,
frank
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pessimist fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: PAW - Best Friends

2004-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
I find it very engaging. There's certainly a story in the apparent joy 
that seems to color this relationship. I like the composition and 
framing, but I wonder if a very tight crop wouldn't serve it better.
Paul
On Apr 19, 2004, at 9:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Hi Norm,

I thought it was more than that ... However, I'll take
another look at it and the rest of the series.  Maybe it
needs the other photos to make it work better. I like it,
though, even as it stands.
Norm Baugher wrote:
I like it Shel, but it's begging for a story. Without one it's...as 
you
say, ho hum g
Norm

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

This is one shot of a series of six or eight.  I'll put up a
few more once my computer gets fixed.
http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/best_friends.html

as usual, comments and crits welcome ...

shel








no rules. street photography

2004-04-20 Thread Boros Attila
Hello PDMLers,

Surfing the net today, I came across this site:

http://www.skylightweb.com/imagine/

There are photos I like, and there are photos what look just random
snaps to me. However, I'm not into that subject at all.

Frank, have you seen this?

Attila




Re: using both flash connectors

2004-04-20 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Markus Maurer asked:
 is there a risk of overloading the connectors if I use both flash connectors
 on a Pentax ME Super at the same
 time, for ex. an Pentax AF280T on the hot shoe and some NonPentaxFlash on
 the side connector ? And, how is it with
 a Pentax SFX/SF1/SF7, can I also use both connectors at the same time?

I don't have a definitive answer ... I've done this on the
Super Program and KX (and possibly on the K2 but I don't
remember) with no trouble.  But I don't know whether it's
supposed to be okay, or I just got lucky.  I'm *guessing*
that it's okay based on that plus the existence of that
fancy flash cord for the Super Program that attaches to 
the shoe and lets you put one flash on top of the connector
on the shoe and another flash at the far end of the cable
(and allows the camera to control two TTL flashes!).

 Can I combine any brand of flash and beside the limited length of the cable
 connection, is there a difference in quality
 or else to a master/slave connection with a special slave adapter for the
 second flash?

This sentence is a little tangled, so I'm not certain 
exactly what you're asking, but if you're asking what
I think you're asking:

1.  I don't remember whether the ME Super does TTL flash.
If it does, and you put a T flash on the shoe, the
camera will only be able to quench that one, not the
one connected to the PC socket.  Whether this is a 
*problem* or not probably depends on exact details of
what you're shooting, the relative powers of the two
flashes, etc.  (Note that unless there are some odd
timing issues, the camera should quench the shoe flash
based on the light it sees coming back from _both_
flashes.)

2.  In auto mode (the flash quenches itself based on its 
own sensor, and something on the back of the flash 
tells you which f-stop you should be using), I'm not
entirely certain to what extent they'll interfere
with each other if they don't specify the same f-stop.

3.  In manual mode (the flash fires at full strenght and
you set the f-stop based on guide number and distance)
you'll want to pay attention to the relative _power_
of the two flashes unless they're both pointing in the
same direction, just to make sure that any unevenness
in the lighting is intentional instead of a surprise.

4.  When I've used a slave adaptor it's been optical.  If
you're going to be playing multiple-flash games, get
one or two of them.  Sometimes you'll want to plug 
two flashes into the camera, but other times the optical
slave (far cheaper than a radio slave (which I've never
used)) provides extra flexibility that really comes in
handy.  And they work without tripping anybody at 
distances long enough to make cables a PITA.  (Is the 
PUG still down?  'Cause I was going to point to my
saxophone photo that used an optical slave.)

Are any of those related to the question you meant to ask?

-- Glenn



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
Root beer!  I'd forgotten that ghastly stuff, rgghhh.  How could anyone
say Vegemite is horrible but enjoy root beer?  Sarsaparilla causes a gag
reflex for me, as well.

OTOH I'm one of those rarities who don't mind the pickle in MacDonald's
burger's, although their best effort is the Ozburger that Americans will
only get to enjoy if they visit godzone country.

regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message - 
From: Rothman, Aric [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 It's not obvious unless one consciously tastes for it, but wintergreen is
a major source of flavor in root beer!





Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
It's convenient and provides fast results.
But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
whether 35mm or medium format.
Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service 
of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with 
your prints?

Collin
 





Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net


 
   



Re: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography
Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash


 Hi guys,

 I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can
use with
 my *istD.  Preferably something with a fairly high guide number.  I
have a
 fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for.
There are
 only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the
other a
 Vivitar.  They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I
am a bit
 weary about buying one that is so cheap.

 I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone
would like
 to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands.  If
you are
 international, I would have to pay via Paypal though.


I have the AF80C (no, you can't have it), and while it is a fine
unit, high powered it ain't. Look for the AF140C (?).

William Robb




Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

 I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with
 my *istD.  Preferably something with a fairly high guide number.

Not a high GN, but KEH has a used AF080C at $172. No, you can't have
mine either :-) It's been a while since I last saw a used AF140C; BH
has it new at $400.

HTH,
Kostas



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
Actually I think it's called a MacOz, not Ozburger.

Oops.

regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(snip)
 
 OTOH I'm one of those rarities who don't mind the pickle in MacDonald's
 burger's, although their best effort is the Ozburger that Americans will
 only get to enjoy if they visit godzone country.
 




Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread brooksdj
As long as they do not cost as much as the camera,i might.

Dave  

 Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
 It's convenient and provides fast results.
 But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
 whether 35mm or medium format.
 Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service 
 of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with 
 your prints?
 
 Collin
  
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
 
 
  

 






AW: DSLR slide duplicator

2004-04-20 Thread keller.schaefer
I believe a 'Pentax only' solution has yet to be found. My current setup is
as follows:

From right to left: Camera - extension ring - M42 to K adapter - 4/50 Macro
Takumar - reverse ring - bellows (reverse mounted) - a slide holder
(cannibalised from an old slide copier and machined to fit the bellows).

Here is how it looks:

www.mynetcologne.de/~nc-kellersv2/187.JPG

I doubt the Soligor copier is nearly as good optically as is the Takumar,
but certainly easier to handle.

Sven


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. April 2004 07:47
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: DSLR slide duplicator



- Original Message -
From: Anthony Farr


 William,

 I remember that thread.  The pertinant remark in your message was
that the
 execution of the theory was still (at that time) in the future.
Results are
 still to be shared AFAIK.

I think the best lens I have for this at the moment is the 100mm
bellows.
I will dig out the duping equipment in a day or so and see if I can't
make something work.
Mostly what I want to know is how long an extension I need for the
duplicator, and if I can pirate a long bellows from another peice to
make it light tight.


 However the Soligor option is on the market, at least in Germany,
as I
 write.

For some reason, I didn't makage to see that page.

William Robb





Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread Tom Reese
Tanya spent too much time in the Outback and fried her brain then wrote:

I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with
my *istD.  Preferably something with a fairly high guide number.  I have a
fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for.  There are
only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a
Vivitar.  They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a bit
weary about buying one that is so cheap.

I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like
to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands.  If you are
international, I would have to pay via Paypal though.

I'm not sure that any current market ringlights work with the *stD. The TTL
flashes that work by reading the light bouncing off the film are a problem
with many digital cameras. I don't know if that is the case with Pentax but
I do know that the only one that works properly with the Canon digital
cameras in TTL mode is the very high priced Canon unit. If I were you, I'd
investigate this issue thoroughly before I bought one for use with a digital
body.

Most ringlight flashes are made for macro photography and are significantly
underpowered for any working distance greater than a few feet. Make sure
whatever you buy is packing enough power to do what you want it to do. You
may decide that a shoe mounted flash and diffuser will be a better method to
get a similar effect.

I will have both the Phoenix and AF080C units with me at GFM. You're welcome
to try them with the *stD and see if they work for you. I know that doesn't
help you with your fashion shoot.

Tom Reese





Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
omigosh! this thread just gets better and better! lol...

I haveno idea what wintergreen is, and I have never tasted root beer.  I
LOVE sarsparilla, and especially the version known as Double Sars.  When I
used to work in pubs alot of old men used to come and buy a bottle of double
sars and add it to their beers.  (I hate the flavour of beer too)

In regards to the pickles at Macca's, well, lets just say that they hate it
when they see our car come in the drive through as I always order our entire
family's meals sans pickles and tell them that I am happy to wait for them
to cook them fresh! They have never refused me yet and usually ask me to
park in the car park and then send someone out on foot to hand-deliver our
order to our car! lol.  Funnily enough Hungry Jack's (Burger King to the
yanks), makes nicer flavoured burgers (they are flame grilled), and they
actually advertise now that you can request your burger to be made how you
want it. ie extra cheese, and no pickles etc.

A friend of mine gave me a warning a little while ago that when I get to the
US, I should expect to find orange cheese! What's up with THAT?!?!

Oh, and yep, I will bring some musk lollies too for you all to taste
perfumed candy.  I agree too with that one though, it really does feel like
you are eating a crunchy beauty product when you are eating those things!

And someone mentioned banana sandwiches - do you guys have banana lollies in
America?  They totally rock!

tan.


- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat


 Root beer!  I'd forgotten that ghastly stuff, rgghhh.  How could
anyone
 say Vegemite is horrible but enjoy root beer?  Sarsaparilla causes a gag
 reflex for me, as well.

 OTOH I'm one of those rarities who don't mind the pickle in MacDonald's
 burger's, although their best effort is the Ozburger that Americans will
 only get to enjoy if they visit godzone country.

 regards,
 Anthony Farr

 - Original Message - 
 From: Rothman, Aric [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  It's not obvious unless one consciously tastes for it, but wintergreen
is
 a major source of flavor in root beer!
 






Re: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered:

She may also use some of my photos on their next CD, and said that she'd 
give credit for those that she uses.

Sod the credit lad - talk royalties!


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_




OT - Web site question...

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Since I have been with this new web host, I have a full range of statistics
for my website at my disposal.

I am a little perplexed however.  It says that I am averaging around 40
visitors per day, 370 pageviews per day, 145 unique page views per
day, but that I am receiving about 2300 hits.  I always thought that
hits was the amount of people that clicked through to my website?  Can
anyone explain what the differences between hits, page views and
visitors are for me?  Or how they are measured?  It appeas that I have
around 700kb transferred on average per day, does this indicate bandwidth?

TIA, sorry if I sound too confusing! lol.  I must be feeling a little
DISCOMBOBULATED here... hehe.

tan.



Re: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread Christian
Tanya;

I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL.  I used it once on
my D and it seemed ok  I'll play with it tonight and send you some
results so you can see for yourself.  I don't believe it has a very high GN.

Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF

GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft).

Personally I'd like to get an AF 140C but they are way out of my price range
at this point.  The nice thing about the 140 is the ability to use one or
both tubes for better light control.

More later!

Christian


- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash


 Hi guys,

 I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use with
 my *istD.  Preferably something with a fairly high guide number.  I have a
 fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for.  There are
 only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a
 Vivitar.  They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a
bit
 weary about buying one that is so cheap.

 I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would like
 to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands.  If you are
 international, I would have to pay via Paypal though.

 TIA,
 tan.




Re: AW: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Markus ...

For me, the size and the quality of the lenses are most
important.  Smaller generally works better for me as long as
the quality is there.  For example, I sold my A*85/1.4
because it was too big, and remained true to my long tome
favorite, the K85/1.8.  Faster lenses often mean bigger
lenses, and even though the larger lenses may afford some
greater sharpness, hand held use doesn't always allow that
sharpness to appear in a print.  IOW, a bigger, sharper lens
that can't be easily hand held loses its advantage compared
to a smaller lens that can be hand held more readily.

As for using faster films ... well, generally I don't, at
least not just because I'm using a lens with a smaller
aperture.  I like to shoot relatively wide open, and slow
shutter speeds don't bother me particularly (hence the the
desire for smaller lenses)

shel

Markus Maurer wrote:
 
 Hi Norm
 what really makes me wonder:
 Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?
 Do the light M-Series lenses still exist and is anybody favoring them
 instead of the faster heavier lenses?
 I'm I wrong, that with faster film maximum aperture is not that important?
 How does the M-Series 28mm 3.5 compare to the standard lens?
 
 saluti
 Markus Maurer
 
 -
 
 I've got one and I think it's an awesome lens...slow yes, but it really
 performs, especially when it comes to lack of light fall-off in the corners.




Re: PAW - Best Friends

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Paul ...

Generally I make the first print full frame, and then live
with it a while to see if there's a better crop or way to
present the photo and tell the story.  In this case, the
posted pic is close to full frame.  I can see where a
tighter crop could be beneficial, but, before make the final
decision, I want to look at the results in context with the
other pics in the series, and try to standardize on a crop
and format, i.e., distance from subjects and their
relationship to the frame, tonality,  contrast, etc.

I've looked again at the photo in light of Norm's comments,
and have decided that I like the image, and that it tells a
nice story of the relationship between these two people. I
believe that story will be deeper with one or more other
photos from that scene, but I also feel that this one can
stand alone.

Thanks for your input,

shel

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 I find it very engaging. There's certainly a story in the apparent joy
 that seems to color this relationship. I like the composition and
 framing, but I wonder if a very tight crop wouldn't serve it better.
 Paul
 On Apr 19, 2004, at 9:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  Hi Norm,
 
  I thought it was more than that ... However, I'll take
  another look at it and the rest of the series.  Maybe it
  needs the other photos to make it work better. I like it,
  though, even as it stands.
 
  Norm Baugher wrote:
 
  I like it Shel, but it's begging for a story. Without one it's...as
  you
  say, ho hum g
  Norm
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  This is one shot of a series of six or eight.  I'll put up a
  few more once my computer gets fixed.
 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/best_friends.html
 
  as usual, comments and crits welcome ...
 
  shel
 
 
 
 
 




Re: Used words in Pentax discussions - lost CDR drives

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi,

No, it didn't.  I found another solution, though, which
entailed going into the BIOS, changing the boot order,
booting from the CD drive, and reloading Windows.  Whatever
was  causing the problem seems to have been repaired by that
approach.

I've been meaning to thank you, and everyone, for the
solutions and suggestions presented, so now's as good a time
as any.  Thanks!

BTW, I don't read the general PDML much any more, and the
only reason I caught this message of yours was because of
the CDT drive in the subject.

shel

Markus Maurer wrote:

 
 To Shel:
 did the solution to your lost CDROM problem (the .reg File from Adaptec I
 described) work?




Re: Q: Pentax 5,5x lupe

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I have one of these loupes, and, for the money especially,
it's quite a good optic.  As you noted, the eye relief is
superb.

There is a little distortion in my sample, and compared to a
far more expensive Schneider loupe, it is noticeable.  But,
the magnification of the Pentax loupe is greater than the 4X
magnification of the Schneider, so, the area of the neg that
you see that's comparable to the area that you see with the
Schneider, is just about as good.  Does that make sense?

I'd suggest looking through a Pentax 5.5 loupe and making
your own decision, and pay little attention to the denizens
of dialogue on the net.  I like my loupe and am very
satisfied with the decision to get it.  It's certainly
possible to get a loupe that's a little better optically (at
the edges, for sure) but when you consider all the factors,
such as eye relief, magnification, ability to see the entire
frame, and cost, it may be hard to find a better value.

Another alternative, albeit more $$$, is the Pentax zoom
loop 5x - 10x or so.

shel

Matti Etelapera wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I did some research on the Pentax 5,5x lupe. Judging by the specs it seems
 to be one of the best alternatives for a photographer with glasses -
 mainly because of it´s big eye relief. The thing is that there are totally
 contradictory verdicts on a possible distortion problem. Three reviews on
 the net say there is huge pincushion distortion and two say there is none.
 Is there a quality control issue with Pentax or whats going on here? Any
 comments?
 
   -Matti




Re: Q: Pentax 5,5x lupe

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I think you've hit upon the problem exactly!  The Pentax,
IMO, compares favorably with the Schneider 4X ASPH.

shel

Rob Studdert wrote:

 It does have pin cushion distortion however if you always view from the centre
 of the loupe and move it over the subject then it's of no consequence. If you
 leave the loupe stationary and expect to be able to see the media clearly by
 moving your eye around the view aperture then forget it. I think the problem is
 that most loupes suffer this problem however the view aperture of this one is
 so large it tempts the user to use it inappropriately. Hence the often negative
 comments, most of which you will find were gleamed whilst using one for 30
 seconds in a photo shop. I have both the Schneider 4x ASPH and the Pentax 5.5
 and I prefer the Pentax, it has no image quality problems.




Re: OT: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread Peter J. Alling
It just means he won't speek to us any more...

graywolf wrote:

Oow Knarf is a published advertising photographer.

Gives you a good feeling, don't it?



--

frank theriault wrote:

So, I stop at the Jet Fuel Cafe on the way home today.  Order an 
Americano, and as I'm sipping, I glance over at the bulletin board, 
and see an 11x14 one of these:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2299359

I've never seen one of my photos displayed in a public place without 
expecting it to be there (ie:  a show).  Kind of blew my mind!  Some 
of you may recall that I took some concert shots of Jennifer, and 
gave her the proofs, saying that she could use them as she pleased 
(including for promo stuff).

She said that she liked them, but it's kind of nice to see that she 
really meant it!  I take it as a real compliment from her.

She's also using the same design on her handbills, one of which this 
is scanned from.

The whole thing kind of made my day...

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: OT - Rare Alert: a Mac virus!

2004-04-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered:

It's not a virus but a Trojan Horse, and more properly a demonstration 
or proof-of-concept. It does mean you should be careful when you 
receive or download files from untrusted sources but that has always 
been the case.

This Wired article has more:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,63000,00.html?tw=wn_story_top5

*very* interesting.

Thanks Juey.


Cheers,
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Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Here ya go guys...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3810506958category=15221

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


 Thanks, Tan and Robert. If you get one of the new Sigma digital flashes,
 please give us a report.

 Joe





Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Ooops, just realised that wasn't for a Pentax version, sorry to get you all
excited there! lol..

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


 Here ya go guys...


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3810506958category=15221

 tan.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:43 AM
 Subject: Re: TTL flash with the *ist D


  Thanks, Tan and Robert. If you get one of the new Sigma digital flashes,
  please give us a report.
 
  Joe
 
 




Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Christian
My aussie wife puts beets on her burgers - YUCK- but she loves the pickles
from macca's as well.

Her mom makes great burgers with cheese, fried eggs and bacon.  m...
bacon...

Christian


- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat


 omigosh! this thread just gets better and better! lol...

 I haveno idea what wintergreen is, and I have never tasted root beer.  I
 LOVE sarsparilla, and especially the version known as Double Sars.  When
I
 used to work in pubs alot of old men used to come and buy a bottle of
double
 sars and add it to their beers.  (I hate the flavour of beer too)

 In regards to the pickles at Macca's, well, lets just say that they hate
it
 when they see our car come in the drive through as I always order our
entire
 family's meals sans pickles and tell them that I am happy to wait for them
 to cook them fresh! They have never refused me yet and usually ask me to
 park in the car park and then send someone out on foot to hand-deliver our
 order to our car! lol.  Funnily enough Hungry Jack's (Burger King to the
 yanks), makes nicer flavoured burgers (they are flame grilled), and they
 actually advertise now that you can request your burger to be made how you
 want it. ie extra cheese, and no pickles etc.

 A friend of mine gave me a warning a little while ago that when I get to
the
 US, I should expect to find orange cheese! What's up with THAT?!?!

 Oh, and yep, I will bring some musk lollies too for you all to taste
 perfumed candy.  I agree too with that one though, it really does feel
like
 you are eating a crunchy beauty product when you are eating those things!

 And someone mentioned banana sandwiches - do you guys have banana lollies
in
 America?  They totally rock!

 tan.



Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread Bruce Dayton
No.  Negs have been moved out of my workflow.


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, April 20, 2004, 8:04:38 AM, you wrote:

CB Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
CB It's convenient and provides fast results.
CB But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
CB whether 35mm or medium format.
CB Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service 
CB of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with 
CB your prints?

CB Collin
 




CB 
CB Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net


 
   





Re: OT: PayPal oddity - need advise

2004-04-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
John Mustarde wrote:
 
 (snip) 
 I envision a time when PayPal and Ebay become so onerous and expensive
 to use that they destroy their original core business - individuals
 buying and selling their own stuff.  It's happening somewhat now - the
 number of bargains from individual sellers is way down compared to
 just 18 months ago.  
  Most of Ebay photo is overrun with full-time
 businesses hawking retail merchandize, much of which can be purchased
 online or in local retail stores for about the same as the Ebay price.
 
 (snip)
 --
 Cactus Jack
 Warm and Dry in the Valley of the Sun

It is really scary, as it is my almost only source
of income beyond
SS check  They keep raising prices and making
it harder for small
sellers to list things quickly.  And I really hate
that they own PAYPAL.

Someone told me also that there was some sort of
law suit against
Half.Com and ebay was just going to let it fold
rather than defend.
Anyone know what that is all about?   I have about
100 books listed there
and haven't sold anything in ages.

annsan



Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #72

2004-04-20 Thread Cotty
AW - All Weather.

...according to LowePro :-)


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Another ubiquitous acronym confusee..

2004-04-20 Thread Cotty
AW - All Weather.

...according to LowePro :-)




Cheers,
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Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography

From: Tom Reese Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: WTB: TTL ringlight flash


 Tanya spent too much time in the Outback and fried her brain then wrote:

hehe, naah, you gotta have something to fry in the first place! ;-)

 If I were you, I'd investigate this issue thoroughly before I bought one
for use with a digital
 body.

Can anyone else add to this?  Why would a ring light flash work any
differently than a normal flash?  I mean light is light is light, right?
(lol).  I am well aware of the TTL problems with the *ist D as you all know,
and I am not sure if I read it correctly, but the way Tom explains it, to
me, it reads that the ring light may have even worse TTL capabilities than a
normal flashgun such as the AF360fgz.  I am totally confused by this, can
anyone shed some light?

 Most ringlight flashes are made for macro photography and are
significantly
 underpowered for any working distance greater than a few feet. Make sure
 whatever you buy is packing enough power to do what you want it to do. You
 may decide that a shoe mounted flash and diffuser will be a better method
to
 get a similar effect.

Nope, tried it! I've never been able to recreate the effect using straight
hotshoe mounted flash guns.  The type of images that I am referring to all
have that tell tale giveaway circular shaped catch lights in the models
eyes!  I will mainly be shooting teens and kids for this shoot, so distance
really isn't that much of an issue.  I can really get in as close as I need
to.  The reason for me hoping for a higher guide number however is in order
to be able to overcome shadows from the sun.  The shoot will be outside, on
the beach, full sun in the middle of the day, so I will need all the power I
can get!

 I will have both the Phoenix and AF080C units with me at GFM. You're
welcome
 to try them with the *stD and see if they work for you. I know that
doesn't
 help you with your fashion shoot.

Nope, it won't, but even so, that is a wonderful offer Tom, and I would be
most excited to take you up on it! Thanks heaps!

tan.




Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
It's convenient and provides fast results.
But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
whether 35mm or medium format.
Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service 
of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with 
your prints?
Collin, judging from my modest experience, I'd rather stay away from 
local lab as far as I could get. Let's just say that I couldn't manage 
to find even a half decent lab that could do a quarter decent scans of 
my negatives. I don't think that they could do even an eighth decent 
job of making those negs...

My answer is no, thank you, no... But then I don't shoot digital.

Boris



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
LOL!  Christian that is what we had for dinner tonight!

I made burgers with cheese, fried eggs, bacon, mince patties (home made - I
put all sorts of stuff in them, including mustard, onion, grated carrot,
oregano, bread crumbs etc), lettuce and bbq sauce.  Even my kids love 'em.
Very unhealthy but then again, I do have a non-stick frypan so there is no
oil involved in the frying, and I remove all of the fat from the bacon!

I know, I know, my hubby tells me all the time, that that is taking the fun
out of eating bacon, but really who wants to put pure fat into their
tummies? yuck!

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat


 My aussie wife puts beets on her burgers - YUCK- but she loves the pickles
 from macca's as well.

 Her mom makes great burgers with cheese, fried eggs and bacon.  m...
 bacon...

 Christian


 - Original Message - 
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat


  omigosh! this thread just gets better and better! lol...
 
  I haveno idea what wintergreen is, and I have never tasted root beer.  I
  LOVE sarsparilla, and especially the version known as Double Sars.
When
 I
  used to work in pubs alot of old men used to come and buy a bottle of
 double
  sars and add it to their beers.  (I hate the flavour of beer too)
 
  In regards to the pickles at Macca's, well, lets just say that they hate
 it
  when they see our car come in the drive through as I always order our
 entire
  family's meals sans pickles and tell them that I am happy to wait for
them
  to cook them fresh! They have never refused me yet and usually ask me to
  park in the car park and then send someone out on foot to hand-deliver
our
  order to our car! lol.  Funnily enough Hungry Jack's (Burger King to the
  yanks), makes nicer flavoured burgers (they are flame grilled), and they
  actually advertise now that you can request your burger to be made how
you
  want it. ie extra cheese, and no pickles etc.
 
  A friend of mine gave me a warning a little while ago that when I get to
 the
  US, I should expect to find orange cheese! What's up with THAT?!?!
 
  Oh, and yep, I will bring some musk lollies too for you all to taste
  perfumed candy.  I agree too with that one though, it really does feel
 like
  you are eating a crunchy beauty product when you are eating those
things!
 
  And someone mentioned banana sandwiches - do you guys have banana
lollies
 in
  America?  They totally rock!
 
  tan.




Re: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Christian, that would be great, I'll look forward to seeing what you come up
with.

And now, at 3am I am off to bed! lol.

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: TTL ringlight flash


 Tanya;

 I bought a cheap Vivitar ring light that does ONLY TTL.  I used it once on
 my D and it seemed ok  I'll play with it tonight and send you some
 results so you can see for yourself.  I don't believe it has a very high
GN.

 Ah, here it is: http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html#6000AF

 GN 59 (ISO 100/Ft).

 Personally I'd like to get an AF 140C but they are way out of my price
range
 at this point.  The nice thing about the 140 is the ability to use one or
 both tubes for better light control.

 More later!

 Christian


 - Original Message - 
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:56 AM
 Subject: WTB: TTL ringlight flash


  Hi guys,
 
  I am chasing a TTL ringlight flash of some description that I can use
with
  my *istD.  Preferably something with a fairly high guide number.  I have
a
  fashion shoot in about 5 weeks that I will be needing one for.  There
are
  only two listed on the BH website - one is a Phoenix, and the other a
  Vivitar.  They are very CHEAP (usd$99 and $89 respectively), and I am a
 bit
  weary about buying one that is so cheap.
 
  I understand that there are Pentax ones out there and if anyone would
like
  to part with theirs, I would love to take it off your hands.  If you are
  international, I would have to pay via Paypal though.
 
  TIA,
  tan.
 




Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread John Francis
 
 Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
 It's convenient and provides fast results.
 But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
 whether 35mm or medium format.
 Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service 
 of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with 
 your prints?
 
 Collin

Not for me (or, I imagine, a large number of digital users).

I haven't ever done my own colour printing at home; one of
the big advantages of digital cameras (and film scanners)
was the ability to switch to the digital darkroom.

The *ist-D means I get my images in my hands a bit faster,
but apart from that there's not all that much difference
between what I do with those images and what I used to do
with images from the MZ-S/PZ-1p; when I got the negatives
or slides back I scanned them once, and that was it.



RE: Pentax 5,5x lupe

2004-04-20 Thread David Madsen
I can't imagine using anything else.  It is one of the best pieces of glass
I own.  The edge distortion is negligible, even non-existent compared to
other lupes I have used.  It is a joy to use.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: Matti Etelapera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Q: Pentax 5,5x lupe


Hi,

I did some research on the Pentax 5,5x lupe. Judging by the specs it seems
to be one of the best alternatives for a photographer with glasses -
mainly because of it´s big eye relief. The thing is that there are totally
contradictory verdicts on a possible distortion problem. Three reviews on
the net say there is huge pincushion distortion and two say there is none.
Is there a quality control issue with Pentax or whats going on here? Any
comments?

  -Matti



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread John Francis
 
 ... but really who wants to put pure fat into their tummies? yuck!
 
 tan.

Two words  -  ice cream
(not to mention chocolate)




RE: WTB: TTL ringlight flash

2004-04-20 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 Nope, tried it! I've never been able to recreate the effect 
 using straight hotshoe mounted flash guns.  The type of 
 images that I am referring to all have that tell tale 
 giveaway circular shaped catch lights in the models eyes!  I 
 will mainly be shooting teens and kids for this shoot, so 
 distance really isn't that much of an issue.  I can really 
 get in as close as I need to.  

The ringlights used for fashion are really quite big, like this - 

http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/ctl?PAGE=Controllerac.ui.pn=cat.CatItemD
etailac.item.itemNo=CE2309ac.cat.CatTreeSearch.detail=ytype=SPDSEARCH

I looked into getting a ringlight as well, but was told by everyone I asked
that a macro ringlight just wouldn't cut it. I still thought I could get
away with it by shooting at f/2 or 1.4 (like I often do) and setting iso at
800 or 1600 if necessary, but I shelved the idea for 3 reasons - macro
ringlights are quite small in comparison to fashion ringlights and the
typical look of a fashion ringlight would be diminished in the same way
the diffusion of an umbrella is reduced by distance. Second, I carry enough
gear as it is3rd it seemed an awful lot of work and experimentation for
a look that many consider dated...

However, the idea has been percolating in my head for a while and I may
still try and pick up a cheap sunpak or viv off ebay and play with it.

tv



Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi,

Because there are excellent labs here that can do amazing things with
digital file, my answer would be Yes.  In fact, I'm considering doing
just that at some point.

The workflow would go something like this: mediocre negs corrected in PS,
and converted to negs at the lab in order to make silver BW prints.
results should be interesting, and, if satisfactory, a way to go at some
point wrt making high quality silver prints.

shel

Boris Liberman wrote:

 Hi!

 Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
 It's convenient and provides fast results.
 But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
 whether 35mm or medium format.
 Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service
 of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with
 your prints?

 Collin, judging from my modest experience, I'd rather stay away from
 local lab as far as I could get. Let's just say that I couldn't manage
 to find even a half decent lab that could do a quarter decent scans of
 my negatives. I don't think that they could do even an eighth decent
 job of making those negs...

 My answer is no, thank you, no... But then I don't shoot digital.

 Boris



Re: Name that capture? - ANSWER

2004-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Well done.  Nice shot.

But not enough DOF?
Just tilt the lens a little.
And if that makes the closer parts too close
1) turn the camera upside down and 
2) tilt the other way
3) and move the body so it emulates a back tilt.
4) You'll also have to raise the lens (same as lowering
but since you're upside down...)
That should take care of it.

(Yes, everyone it's a pain.
But if you want that DOF with your 35 it'll cost you
in terms of distortion x neg enlargement factor.
And don't even look at the price for anything that'll
tilt/shift for your 645/67.)

Keep up the good work.

Collin 





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Re: Would you buy this?

2004-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Not very often and only if they were very affordable.
Paul
On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Let's say you shoot 6+Mp digital.
It's convenient and provides fast results.
But -- you still want negs for darkroom work,
whether 35mm or medium format.
Would you be willing pay for the optional extra service
of getting a set of negs back from the lab along with
your prints?
Collin






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Re: no rules. street photography

2004-04-20 Thread Norm Baugher
Nice stuff, thanks Attila...
Norm
Boros Attila wrote:

Hello PDMLers,

Surfing the net today, I came across this site:

http://www.skylightweb.com/imagine/

There are photos I like, and there are photos what look just random
snaps to me. However, I'm not into that subject at all.
Frank, have you seen this?

Attila



 




RE: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi William
Thanks for your answer.
I made some night shoots of the main rail station in Zurich Switzerland
lately with the Pentax A24mm 2.8 and like it very much. The wide angle
made  some interesting (uncommon) views for me, I hade no experience with
wide lenses before.

I now always carry it with me :-)

Together with the 35-135mm on the SF7
auto focus or with the ME super with 70-210mm manual zoom (which I still
prefer over the SF7 because I can set everything manually and it fits my
hands a lot better with the winder grip) for slow photo situations, a jeans
jacket with 4 pockets filled with some filters (skylight, polfilter,closeup
and diffuser)and cleaning tools, negative film, a flash and the A2x Pentax
teleconverter (seldom used) Mounted on the camera is a (one leg)tripod.
Not very light but I'm prepared for many photo situations this way.

Digital photographer's will laugh, but I still like old analog camera gear,
maybe because I earn my money with computer support and have it digital all
day... or just do not have the money for a DSRL ;-)


What's your minimum /maximum /most used equipment ?

happy writing light
Markus Maurer



Subject: Re: SMC (K) 28mm f3.5 on Ebay
The M28/3.5 is another very good lens, in my opinion.  Small, light, and
delivers excellent results.  It has a bit of light fall off wide open, but
the flare control is excellent.
William in Utah




comparing light against heavy, but more powerful lenses/equipment

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
First:
thanks to Steve Jolly, Andy Chang, Rob Studdert and everybody not mentioned
for answering that fast, that's really amazing!

Second:

Hi Steve
With Standard in this context I mean a normal weight lens, an A or K lens
compared to the M-Series lens of the same type. I talk about manual or A
lenses here.
In other words, are the lenses of the M-Series only slower but lighter
than the A/K-Series and otherwise +- identical or is the quality of the lens
not the same or even totally different to the a/K-Type?

Simple said, is the formula:
heavier, faster lens = better visible picture quality, usually true?

As far as I have read, that's not true for the K50mm 1.2 lens,
the 50mm 1.7 or 1.4 are told to be sharper. The 50mm 1.2 is a lot heavier
and
bulkier. I have it and like the very bright viewfinder with it, I use it for
close-ups at home.
I do not carry it a lot with me, and the filter size is 52mm instead
of the 49mm and 58mm of the other lenses I use mostly outdoors.

a) How many of you have ever missed an important shoot because maximum
aperture of the given lens was (for ex. 2.0 instead of 1.4 or even 1.2 on a
50mm) not enough for the light available.
As a result, do they now carry faster lenses or a flash or a tripod or
faster film or all of it with them ?


compared to

b) How many of you missed an important shoot because they left their heavy
   photo equipment at home.

I just bought a slightly used Pentax Espio 928 with Remote for 25 Euro over
the internet as backup solution to my SLR and to be left in the car to be
ready anytime and to take some self portraits with the infrared remote:-)
I wonder, how good the photos will be and will test it in the next weeks.

happy photo shootings
Markus Maurer





 what really makes me wonder:
 Does anybody care about the size and weight of the lenses they use daily?
 Do the light M-Series lenses still exist and is anybody favoring them
 instead of the faster heavier lenses?





RE: using both flash connectors

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Glen
thanks very much for your detailed answer!
Swiss German is my main language, my English will never be as clear and good
as it should be

 Can I combine any brand of flash and beside the limited length of the cable
 connection, is there a difference in quality
 or else to a master/slave connection with a special slave adapter for the
 second flash?

This sentence is a little tangled, so I'm not certain
exactly what you're asking, but if you're asking what
I think you're asking:

The ME Super has no TTL flash, I use Auto range or manual settings.
I would like to use a Pentax 280T flash on the hot shoe for front lightning
and a second Regula connected to the side connector and fitted on a movable
flash arm from HAMA.
The Regula (or Vivitar) would bounce to the ceiling or give (a little)
additional light from the left side light above the camera with manual
settings.
Maybe this setup does not make sense, I just want to try it, with the second
flash I could also fire some
colored light on table top subjects, you see, it's all experimental stuff
and just ideas and never realized yet.
Or the main flash alights the foreground and the second flash is bouncing
for the background in big rooms?

I was wondering about problems between different flashes/brands when used
together.
(Like: a Vivitar will not work well with a Pentax because of timing problems
or a Metz and a Pentax match better.)
All asked for non TTL operation and the Pentax AF280T (if possible in auto
mode) as the main flash.
I have the choice between a Metz 32CT, a Braun 38Mlogic or a Regula Variant
740-2 as second flash and
maybe anyone knows which will match the Pentax AF280T best.

Will the main flash, in this case the Pentax and it's sensor see the light
from the second flash and calculate the timing correct or do I have to
adjust/minimize it's output and could timing problems (or others) happen
with a cable connection compared to a wireless slave setup?




 is there a risk of overloading the connectors if I use both flash
connectors
 on a Pentax ME Super at the same

I think I did it once without problems, but Günther Spitzing, German Author
of several well known Pentax (ME Super) books,
talks only about using slave connectors with the ME Super for the second
flash, that irritated me a bit.


Are any of those related to the question you meant to ask?
  -- Glenn



Yes, this is qualified and interesting reading stuff, thanks Glen.

I think, I just have to experiment with it and post the results later :-)
Markus Maurer














Re: OT - Web site question...

2004-04-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since I have been with this new web host, I have a full range of statistics
for my website at my disposal.

I am a little perplexed however.  It says that I am averaging around 40
visitors per day, 370 pageviews per day, 145 unique page views per
day, but that I am receiving about 2300 hits.  I always thought that
hits was the amount of people that clicked through to my website?  Can
anyone explain what the differences between hits, page views and
visitors are for me? 

OK. Some of the terminology can vary a little depending on who's using
it but...

Hits:
Items delivered by your server to visitors. Take the case of a single
web page with 10 images on it, for example: Every time someone loads
that page your server delivers 11 items (the HTML page plus the 10
images). So that page delivers 11 hits every time someone loads it.
(Geeks like me who frequently surf the web with image loading turned off
in their web browser can skew this stat a little.)

Visitors:
This usually means unique IP addresses that request files from your
server. This can be misleading because dialup accounts get a new IP addy
every time someone signs on, so several different people may visit your
site and yet have the same IP address and your server will think it's
the same person (so it will undercount visitors).

Pageviews:
This generally means the number of times your server delivers an HTML
document (not an image file, PDF or anything else) to anyone.

Unique Pageviews:
Usually means unique combinations of an IP address and requested page.
If I view 10 pages on your site and Cotty also views 10, but only three
of the pages he views are in the 10 that I viewed, you'll get 20 page
views but only 17 unique page views.

Or how they are measured?  

The server keeps a log of HTTP requests.

It appeas that I have
around 700kb transferred on average per day, does this indicate bandwidth?

Yup.


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History ?

2004-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Asahi
Is that someone's name?
Is it a contraction of Morning fire
Is it something else?

Collin 





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Re: History ?

2004-04-20 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Tuesday, April 20, 2004, 7:04:53 PM, Collin wrote:

 Asahi
 Is that someone's name?
 Is it a contraction of Morning fire
 Is it something else?

 Collin 

It means 'rising sun'.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: TTL flash with the *ist D

2004-04-20 Thread Andre Langevin
Anthony Farr wrote:
  gallium arsenide phosphide cells have fast response but I don't 
know of any GPDs in flash metering applications, perhaps they're not 
quick enough.
Super-Program uses a GPD cell and has TTL flash metering.
But does it work as good as LX's SPD cell?
Andre



fast film not a solution?

2004-04-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Shel
I often use only a A70-210mm 4.0 zoom on the road and to be on the safe side
against shaking I shoot with a minimum of 1/125 or 1/250 or faster without
tripod . To get that under most light conditions, I need ISO 400 film, ISO
100 would not work for me.
I can use a grey filter for small apertures in bright light, I too prefer a
small depth of field mostly.
I do not own fast tele/zoomlenses, so I see no other solution than fast film
for me. The only fast lens I have is the 50mm 1.2 from Pentax, all others
lenses are between 2.8 - 5.6

How do you solve that (analog?) dilemma, with a super fast (expensive) tele
or with a digital camera?

saluti
Markus


As for using faster films ... well, generally I don't, at
least not just because I'm using a lens with a smaller
aperture.  I like to shoot relatively wide open, and slow
shutter speeds don't bother me particularly (hence the the
desire for smaller lenses)






Re: History ?

2004-04-20 Thread Cotty

 Asahi
 Is that someone's name?
 Is it a contraction of Morning fire
 Is it something else?

 Collin 

It means 'rising sun'.

And Asashi' means 'rising daughter'.

:-)


Cheers,
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Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele
What is an AUTRALIAN, by the way?

an Italian Car?  someone who walks alone? Someone
who should
walk in my footsteps?

Anyway...

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
 
 omigosh! this thread just gets better and better! lol...
 
 ... I have never tasted root beer.  I
 LOVE sarsparilla, and especially the version known as Double Sars.

Tanya, its basically the same thing root beer
is made from the root of
sarsparilla plant, I believe.

We shall have to get you to an AW (as opposed to
AW) :)

 
 A friend of mine gave me a warning a little while ago that when I get to the
 US, I should expect to find orange cheese! What's up with THAT?!?!

Yellow dye 5, probably :)

There is oragne cheese in England as well, is
there not?  
 
 Oh, and yep, I will bring some musk lollies too for you all to taste
 perfumed candy.  I agree too with that one though, it really does feel like
 you are eating a crunchy beauty product when you are eating those things!
 
 And someone mentioned banana sandwiches - do you guys have banana lollies in
 America?  They totally rock!
 
 tan.

People eating anything banana at GFM are requested
to stay on the other side
of whatever from me... well, at least ripe banana
- the smell is really gross.

Are you bringing Vegemite for us to sample, tan?

I was thinking of bringing something very New York
to GFM in the way of food
but most of the best NY treats are too
perishable.  

ann


 
 - Original Message -
 From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:00 AM
 Subject: Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat
 
  Root beer!  I'd forgotten that ghastly stuff, rgghhh.  How could
 anyone
  say Vegemite is horrible but enjoy root beer?  Sarsaparilla causes a gag
  reflex for me, as well.
 
  OTOH I'm one of those rarities who don't mind the pickle in MacDonald's
  burger's, although their best effort is the Ozburger that Americans will
  only get to enjoy if they visit godzone country.
 
  regards,
  Anthony Farr
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Rothman, Aric [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   It's not obvious unless one consciously tastes for it, but wintergreen
 is
  a major source of flavor in root beer!
  
 
 
 



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Bill Owens
  And someone mentioned banana sandwiches - do you guys have banana
lollies in
  America?  They totally rock!

Peanut and banana sandwiches with mayo!  One of my favorites!

Bill




Re: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
Yeah, well,

I know, I shouldn't give my stuff away.  But, as an indy artist, Jennifer 
has to raise $10,000 to record her CD - and that's doing it on the cheap.  
If I don't give her free photos, someone else will.  Or she'll do 'em 
herself.

No matter which way, I'm not getting paid.  So, it's my contribution to 
art, I guess.  Plus, I'm on the guest list to her shows (saves a whole $7 
a pop - that's like $5 US g), and she gives me free CD's.  And, she's 
nice, and much prettier than my photos would indicate, and has a smokin' 
bod, and - well, need I go on?  vbg

-frank, thinking with his u-know-what again vbg

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sod the credit lad - talk royalties!

Cheers,
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what's your favorite Pentax macro?

2004-04-20 Thread Amita Guha
Pentax glass experts,

It looks like I might finally be able to buy a macro lens soon. I was
wondering, what's your favorite Pentax (or other) macro lens and why? It
could be AF or MF. 

Thanks,
Amita



Re: OT: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
...not if you don't spell right I won't... LOL

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer


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Re: A Pleasant Surprise

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Frank, one needn't have a laundry list of reasons to do something nice.  Just consider 
your generosity and kindness a deposit
in the karma bank.

frank theriault wrote:

 Yeah, well,

 I know, I shouldn't give my stuff away.  But, as an indy artist, Jennifer
 has to raise $10,000 to record her CD - and that's doing it on the cheap.
 If I don't give her free photos, someone else will.  Or she'll do 'em
 herself.

 No matter which way, I'm not getting paid.  So, it's my contribution to
 art, I guess.  Plus, I'm on the guest list to her shows (saves a whole $7
 a pop - that's like $5 US g), and she gives me free CD's.  And, she's
 nice, and much prettier than my photos would indicate, and has a smokin'
 bod, and - well, need I go on?  vbg

 -frank, thinking with his u-know-what again vbg



OT - USB Flash Drives

2004-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Has anyone used these little wonders?  Any comments on their
usefulness, suggestions on brands, problems that may crop
up?  Here's a link for those unfamiliar with the product.

http://www.flash-memory-store.com/fdusb20.html

shel



Re: Anyone try this with B/W scans?

2004-04-20 Thread Mark Dalal
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To provide a better scan of a bw neg
 have you put a filter behind the bw neg
 and then had the software remove this
 color-cast mask?

I haven't tried it but I'm wondering if there would be any loss in
sharpness.

Mark



Re: Disgusting things that Autralians eat

2004-04-20 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/20/2004 2:08:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Peanut and banana sandwiches with mayo!  One of my favorites!

Bill

The banana and butter and pecan sounded nifty.

Now that just sounds downright disgusting.

Marnie aka Doe  Oh, right, that's part of the name of this thread. ;-)



RE: Wedding PAW

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
I'm sooo far behind on some PAWs.  I just looked at this for the first 
time today, believe it or not.  Haven't read the other responses yet (I've 
saved those, too).

I like the nice lighting.  Nice compositiion and framing.  I like his 
expression.  I really like the way her shawl (or whatever it's called) is 
draped over her shoulder.  I like less the fact that her hand's in front of 
her face like that.  It doesn't ruin the photo, but it would have been a 
much better one if one could see her face, IMHO.

Still, a nice, poignant moment, well captured (except that hand thing).

Do I make sense (I fear not...).

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wedding PAW
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:57:25 +0200
Hi!

So far this image has collected quite a successful feedback. One of
PDMLers looked at it and also liked it.
Again, I am rather asking for comments as to how to improve. Notice
that this is unposed candid shot. I did not have time to do all the
adjustments I might have wanted to do. But still, I am looking forward
for suggestions as to how to get better g...
http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/looking-forward.jpg

Enjoy!

Boris


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RE: what's your favorite Pentax macro?

2004-04-20 Thread David Madsen
I own the Pentax FA 100mm 2.8 and I find it to be quite sharp, well built,
and all around fun to use.  However, if I had it to do over again...  I once
borrowed the FA 50mm 2.8 to shoot photos of my grandfather's flower garden.
Amazing results.  Blown up to 12x18 it is flawless.  They each have their
own set of advantages, but if straight up image quality is what you want,
get the FA 50mm 2.8, you won't regret it.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: what's your favorite Pentax macro?


Pentax glass experts,

It looks like I might finally be able to buy a macro lens soon. I was
wondering, what's your favorite Pentax (or other) macro lens and why? It
could be AF or MF.

Thanks,
Amita



Re: Wedding PAW

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
Boris,

I absolutely thought of the contemplating the future thing, although I 
though it was the bride and groom, maybe a few hours before or just after 
the wedding.  I certainly feel a certain apprehensiveness or (maybe more 
accurately) a wondering of what's in the future - as if they're not 
looking at anything at all out that window, but just thinking about life.  I 
certainly felt that there's a spiritual connection between them - even 
though they may not have said a word to each other, they know exactly what 
each other's thinking, if you know what I mean.

I see where you're coming from with your thought on the hand.  Maybe you're 
right, maybe not.  I'd like to see a shot without the hand there, just to 
compare (this from Mr. I only ever take one shot of everything...  vbg.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip

I went to the wedding and this is brother of the groom and brother's
girlfriend. AFAIK, they're together for quite some time and the common
rumor g has it they will marry. What I was trying to convey was
uncertain contemplation of the future (together), if it makes any
sense. You know, say you have a girlfriend. Now, you come to the
wedding of your brother with her and suddenly (though not necessarily
really suddenly) it strikes you that you're next in line g...
While I am at it, I'd like to respond to those who did not like the
hand position. I think it is rather in place. It has a sense of
shielding or a bit of uncertain defence. It also adds a little to the
sense of contemplation...
This is how I see it...

Shel, what do you say? And others of course?

P.S. Of course, I did not see it all when I saw and seized the
opportunity. At that time I was just hunting for all kinds of
candids...
P.P.S. The official guy made a decent job though he only g had Nikon
F80, Nikon 28-105/3.5-4.5 and some Nikon flash g...
Boris
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Re: OT - Web site question...

2004-04-20 Thread Mark Cassino
I'll take a stab at it...

Most services track unique visitors - i.e., each i.p. address that requests 
a page or file from your site.  So, if I have a static i.p. address and 
visit your site 10 times in a day, I count as I visitor. On the flip side, 
if I have a dail up and get a new i.p. address every time I dial in, I 
count as 10 visitors.  And if me and 10 of my friends are sitting behind a 
router, sharing an i.p. address, we all count as one visitor.

To further complicate it, some ISP's and corporate networks cache sites - 
so if people request your site enough from one location it gets copied onto 
their server for a while.  I don't know how those visitors would count. My 
old webhost tracked the addresses of all visitors, and I would see a few 
entries for the AOL cache, for example.  I don't know what relationship 
existed between the number of hits to the cache and the number of unique 
visitors (i.e.0

The visitor stat can be counted for a different time periods. So, you can 
have unique visitors per day, visitors per month, etc.

A pageview is when some one looks at an HTML page.

A fileview is when someone looks at a non-html file. For example, you can 
identify hot-linkers (people who are linking to your images, but not to 
your page) by looking for users with high fileviews and no pageviews.

A hit is any request of the server, including all files. So if you use 
little gif arrows etc, a background graphic, whatever - all those are 
pulled into the page when it is requested, and the requests for all those 
files plus your the pageview counts as a hit.  But a hit is _any_ request - 
so even a request for a file that is not there is a hit.

To be honest, hit stats seems pretty odd to me. I will sometimes find a 
webpage with thousands of hits in my logs, but no pageviews or 
fileviews.  When I visit the referring page, there is no link to my site at 
all. So I can't figure where the hit's come from.

HTH -

MCC

At 01:53 AM 4/21/2004 +1000, you wrote:
Since I have been with this new web host, I have a full range of statistics
for my website at my disposal.
I am a little perplexed however.  It says that I am averaging around 40
visitors per day, 370 pageviews per day, 145 unique page views per
day, but that I am receiving about 2300 hits.  I always thought that
hits was the amount of people that clicked through to my website?  Can
anyone explain what the differences between hits, page views and
visitors are for me?  Or how they are measured?  It appeas that I have
around 700kb transferred on average per day, does this indicate bandwidth?
TIA, sorry if I sound too confusing! lol.  I must be feeling a little
DISCOMBOBULATED here... hehe.
tan.
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

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Re: what's your favorite Pentax macro?

2004-04-20 Thread Fred
 It looks like I might finally be able to buy a macro lens soon. I
 was wondering, what's your favorite Pentax (or other) macro lens
 and why? It could be AF or MF.

I've used a fair number of Pentax and 3rd-party macro lenses over
the last few years.  For ~my~ purposes, I've settled on the A
100/2.8 Macro as ~my~ best all-around macro lens (again, that's for
~my~ purposes - your mileage may vary).

I have tended to find that the 50mm macro lenses focus rather close
(in working distance), which sometimes has been a little annoying.
Despite that, however, I have to say that the F 50/2.8 Macro is one
of the sharpest macro lenses available (and I assume the FA version
is optically the same), but horrible to use (mechanical annoyances).
The A 50/2.8 Macro, on the other hand, is just a wee tad less sharp,
but is a true joy to use in comparison, otherwise.  (I still have an
A 50/2.8 Macro, just to pack when I may not have room for the A
100/2.8 Macro.)

At the other end of the macro lens focal length range, I've used
(but no longer own) an A* 200/4 Macro.  It's an exquisite macro
lens, but sometimes that 200mm focal length is just a little too
long, i.e., it requires a fairly long working distance, which
sometimes is useful - think critters here - but sometimes can be
annoying (e.g., table-top macro work may require the photographer
getting up on a chair or stool, in order to get far enough away from
the subject - g).

In between the Mama Bear (too short 50mm) and Papa Bear (too
long 200mm) extremes (and I would think that the 200mm macro range
would be the best to use on ~all~ bears - but I digress...), are the
various Goldilocks and Baby Bear Pentax and 3rd-party 100-ish
macro lenses.  I have never used a macro lens between 90mm and 105mm
that did not do an excellent job.  My favorites are the A 100/2.8
(as I mentioned) and the optically identical (to each other) VS1 and
AT-X 90/2.5 lenses (with their 1:1 adapters/extenders).  A number of
the other 3rd-party 100-ish lenses work very well, too.  The A 100/4
Macro is quite a nice lightweight lens.  I certainly haven't used
all of the 100-ish macro lenses (but I do understand, and can easily
believe, that the F and FA 100 lenses are quite good optically,
too).

There are other options, as well.  I do absolutely love the superb
VS1 90-180/4.5 Flat Field (macro) Zoom (which makes just above every
other so-called macro zoom pale in comparison).  Rob Studdert will
likely jump in here and rave about his Voigtlander 135/2.5 Macro,
and 135mm might just be a nice sweet spot for some of us, too...

Fred




Re: Anyone try this with B/W scans?

2004-04-20 Thread Mark Erickson
Mark Dalal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To provide a better scan of a bw neg
have you put a filter behind the bw neg
and then had the software remove this
color-cast mask?
I haven't tried it but I'm wondering if there would be any loss in
sharpness. 

Mark
If you put the filter between the light source and the film and the film 
stays in the scanner's plane of focus, I don't expect you'd see a loss of 
sharpness.  Back to the original question from Collin, I don't see what 
might be gained by adding a filter.  Can you elaborate? 

--Another Mark 



RE: PAW: Skateboarder

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
I'm not so sure about this one, Amita,

I find the background a bit busy and a little distracting.

His pose is not really pleasing to me.  Maybe I'm looking for a classic 
boarder catching big air sort of thing, and I just don't have an open 
mind.  I do kind of like his hair flying about, and the position of his 
arms, but overall, I find he looks really awkward.

On the positive side, I like the sense of motion and the blurry bits.

Just my opinion, not to be taken too seriously, of course.  vbg

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW: Skateboarder
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:10:20 -0400
Taken a couple of weeks ago at Union Square in Manhatttan:
http://www.sunny16.net/photos/paw/2004-04-23.html
Amita

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Re: what's your favorite Pentax macro?

2004-04-20 Thread Tom Reese
In an act born of desperation, Amita asked the following:

Pentax glass experts,

It looks like I might finally be able to buy a macro lens soon. I was
wondering, what's your favorite Pentax (or other) macro lens and why? It
could be AF or MF.

I like the Pentax 100 mm macro. It's sharp and the 100mm focal length gives
me a a fair amount of working distance. I very seldom use the autofocus on
it. I've found that it's much easier to focus on macro work by simply
slightly moving the camera instead of fooling with the focusing ring. If
you're seriously interested in macro photography then I recommend a focusing
rail to make more precise focusing adjustments.

I don't have and haven't used either the 50mm unit or 200 mm macro units. If
I need a macro lens with either of those focal lengths then I use the A
lenses that I have with extension tubes.

The 100mm macro is a bit pricey. The 50mm is quite a bit cheaper and the
200mm is apparently quite rare.

Tom Reese




OT - Test

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
Just felt like wasting bandwidth is all...

BTW, my Habs won last night!!  (that's hockey for all you non-Canadians - 
Habs = Montreal Canadiens, the most storied and fabled franchise in the 
sport).  Woo Hoo!

Okay, now go read a real post.

vbg

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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RE: History ?

2004-04-20 Thread frank theriault
I thought it meant rising sun.  So maybe your morning fire thing isn't 
far off.

Or, maybe it has something to do with one's Naughty Bits.  Think about it...

vbg

-frank

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: History ?
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:04:53 -0400
Asahi
Is that someone's name?
Is it a contraction of Morning fire
Is it something else?
Collin




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