Re: PESO: Shy smile
I really like the pose and expression in this one. It does seem just a touch subdued and in need of perhaps some minor levels adjustment, but all in all, a wonderful photo. Makes you warm and happy just to look at it. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 4, 2005, 6:29:02 PM, you wrote: G Another one from my recent trip to a village in Mexico: G http://www.g0nz.com/images/girlsmile.jpg G Tried it in BW, and the color was so much better. G Comments welcome. G Thanks, G rg
Re: PAW: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got)
Boris, I have seen just the eyes done before and I gotta say that I really like the amount of face in this one. I also like it not centered. Quite a compelling photo. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 4, 2005, 9:49:55 PM, you wrote: BL Hi! BL http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=180060 BL If I were Joe now, I would be very saddened by having to part with such BL a lens... [wink] BL I am sorry for posting too many PAWs almost at once :). BL Boris
RE: Mannequin(ish)
Frank, if you like I could do some sultry glamour shots with my little blonde friend. Maybe send some prints to you in a brown paper envelope? :-) I chose the head in the shot because it has a small nose (similar to a child's) and the eyes are perfect for testing where the catch lights will be. It's so relaxing and simple taking shots of an inanimate object. Don't get me wrong - I love photographing my kids, but if I need to do anything remotely different from tried and true when I set up the studio I need a fully compliant model. Even then I've learnt that when the kids come into the studio environment you need a wrangler and a photographer, and you can't be both. My second son Josh (who was seriously teething at the time so was drooling like a fountain) wanted to see what daddy was doing when I was doing the lighting tests, and loves helping me with a camera. http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/paw/stest14.htm ...or mauling Franks little blonde friend * http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/paw/stest08.htm I've found my best shots have always been of other peoples kids or with mine and their mother. Thanks for the comments. Cheers, Simon * It also looks like she's performing what Bob suggested - maybe that explains the expression. -Original Message- From: Simon King Sent: Monday, 4 April 2005 9:45 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Mannequin(ish) Is it too late for another in the Mannequin series? I took this testing backlighting with my favourite model - impeccable at taking directions, long blonde hair - but a complete airhead... :-) http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/paw/stest03.htm Simon
Re: Something Different
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Bruce Dayton wrote: I had just about the same thoughts. I finally decided it must be a reflection from water and the image turned upside down. Seconded. Nice idea. Kostas
RE: Photo of my little bloke...
Wow, his eyes are amazing. More! Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 6:12 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Photo of my little bloke... Hi Guys, Here's the first of many photos of my little fella. Cute ain't he? He's 7 months now (about 5 1/2 months in the photo). http://www.heritageservices.com.au/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=9p os=0 Cheers Shaun Dr. Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services 11 Lawrence Way Karratha, Western Australia, 6714 0414-967644 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heritageservices.com.au
Re: Mannequin(ish)
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:04 AM, Simon King wrote: http://members.iinet.net.au/~celsim/paw/stest08.htm That is just too wonderful! -Marco
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
frank theriault wrote on 05.04.05 1:56: Japan is a county of 130,000,000 people. It's population is largely affluent. It's population seems to love the latest in high-tech gizmos, and I'm thinking that DSLR's are included therein. That's true. What is interesting however, from what I've read - Japan is one of the countries where film is still very popular among advanced photographers. It has still a strong position for instance among wedding photographers. There are a lot of positive film lovers - proof in Fuji offer for Japan - Velvia 100 (not 100F) was there available about one year before UE and USA... And sales of expensive (over 2000 USD) Nikon F6 proofs it too. Whatever place they are in the world camera market, they are a significant and important market. That Pentax is making a significant dent in that market is A Good Thing (as Martha Stewart would say). Yes, it seems that Ds sales are exactly as expected by Pentax. This company was never serious contender for giants like Canon or Nikon, but it always had more or less fixed share on SLR/DSLR market. Let's hope they will be able to keep up with the forthcoming ~600 USD class Nikon D50... -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PESO - Gobsmacking Light
Thanks guys. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
Herb, you're a genius for coming up with negative interpretations. Sure Pentax's share of the market might seem to have been shrinking if you look at 2004 as a whole. The DS came out in late 2004, too late to make much difference to the figures. If you look at the market for the first quarter of 2005 you might reach a different conclusion. By selecting your period carefully, you can prove anything. Many people thought they were millionaires in 2001, until the dotcom bubble burst. You are a pro photographer who needs tools that Pentax doesn't provide. You would be mad not to switch brands. But that doesn't mean that Pentax is about to disappear, and there is something depressing about your apparent need to prove that it is. If I put as much effort into this as you seem to, I am sure I could prove that Canon is about to go under. All one needs to do is identify one negative trend and extrapolate it until Kingdom come. It's easy to do, but it's not actually reality. John On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:21:04 -0400, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what i relate is not specific to Pentax. all of the digital camera makers in Japan are facing a wall. the domestic market is saturated and is shrinking with price wars about to begin even in the high profit DSLR market. entry models are already much lower in margins than a year ago. the Americas has shown significant slowdown in the past 6 months. the only market not slowing down drastically is Europe but even that is showing signs of doing the same in the next 6 months. sometime in the next 1 to 2 years, the DSLR market will saturate. in 2004, Japanese manufacturers shipped 372K DSLR units domestically and 2.1M units overseas. this means that 15% of DSLR production by Japanese manufacturers went to domestic sales. the numbers are worse than i said. you wanted to know the actual numbers. there they are. the numbers are reported in any number of technology news sources. Canon and Nikon together accounted for between 2.1 to 2.3 million of the 2.5m units produced. Canon hasn't stated its final numbers yet while Nikon has said they have produced over 1m D70 bodies. this means that in terms of market share, Pentax's share is shrinking because it is not growing as fast as its competition, even though it is growing too. i have decided for Canon because Pentax shows no signs of making a body that will do what i need from a camera to make a living. i have been a Pentax owner for 30 years and never pushed the envelope until a couple of years ago. now i am and Pentax tells me that to upgrade and stay digital, i have to buy into a new camera system. $12K of Pentax glass and bodies is being left behind whether i choose Pentax or Canon because my 35mm lenses are useless on either upgrade path. what Pentax doesn't seem to get is that there isn't a lot of time left. Herb... - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: DS Doing Well in Japan You don't even have the intellectual rigour to distinguish between a country and a region, and you claim that the Japanese domestic market doesn't account for a lot of any of the manufacture's total sales. Next you say that Pentax makes 30-40% of its sales in Japan. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
Graywolf wrote: I would wager that was before taxes, and that there was a damn good tax advantage doing it that way. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- mike wilson wrote: British Leyland (Rover) made the original mini from 1959 to about 1999. For the first thirty years thay made an average 10/- (50p - $1) loss on every one. But that's just us. AFAIK, it was a nett loss. Took them over 15 years to realise the situation. m
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: DS Doing Well in Japan British Leyland (Rover) made the original mini from 1959 to about 1999. For the first thirty years thay made an average 10/- (50p - $1) loss on every one. But that's just us. And if they had tripled their manufacturing capacity, would they have been better off? With the same management? No. 8-) m
Re: PESO - Girl near a window
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Girl near a window I must admit, my feelings about the cleansing of your model, John, likely have to do with what I try to do with my photography: at the rist of sounding completely pretentious (who, me? LOL), I try to capture reality. If you were in the glamour/beauty game, you'd be singing a diffent tune. Butch's interprtation made some notable improvements to the picture, providing that a glamourous picture of a pretty girl was the intent in the first place. That's only according to the latest fashion, which decrees that all imperfections (for which you can read character) should be removed by photographic means if cosmetic surgery has not managed it previously. Boring, boring pictures. I much prefer the original, I'm afraid. mike
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
Hi, Actually I believe that in the past some lenses included ED and aAL lenses also without being mentioned. However, in recenmt years, say last 10-15 years or so, high tech has also come into glass manufacturing. New ED glasses have come, cheaper than before and AL can be made much easier and faster than in the past by high-precision compurezied grinding or moulding of plastic elements onto ordinary glass to produce AL. Also designing of optics is now a much easier feat, due to computers. ray imaging and modeling, using so called inversion methods or even trial and error can design a lens in little time due to the massive computing powers of even desktop computers. Hasselblad was e.g., reported to have designed their own converters to very high standards using cheap software for lens modeling. SOme if not all of their new lenses to the new autofocus H1 series and digital H1D, which are not Carl Zeiss by the way but Hasselblad lenses, where probably also designed and assembled by Hasselblad even though a lot of manufacturing is done in Japan. These methods was by the way developed in the late 60's and early 70's (to use the computing power of computers) for imaging the interior of the Earth, beign used to show the inner features of the planet and explain e.g., our magnetic field. Cheers, Ronald Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass. David Oswald Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:53:50 -0700 I'm curious. In the days of 35mm SLR's, Pentax had a few ED lenses; mostly fairly long telephotos. Now that DSLR's are the up-and-coming thing, suddenly we're seeing ED glass in the 16-45, 50-200 (as yet unreleased), and the 12-24 (newly announced). AL elements have also become more commonplace. So the question is, what's going on here? I see a few possibilities: * ED glass has suddenly become cheap enough to use in a broader range of lenses. * ED glass has become necessary to produce acceptible results with DSLR's. * ED glass has become enough of a recognized feature that using it pays dividends in improved lens sales. * Pentax has become committed to producing better zooms than ever before, possibly to try to close the door on 3rd party lenses (much like SMC does). Much as I love my Pentax equipment, I can't help but wonder if the sudden proliferation of ED glass in Pentax's DA lenses is because without the ED glass the lenses on DSLR's wouldn't live up to the performance of their FA equivilants in 35mm format. The same question could apply to the proliferation of AL elements in recent lenses, though this trend actually began back around the late 90's, so it's not as new of a trend. I would love to hear that AL and ED elements common in recent Pentax lenses represent actual improvements to image quality, size, weight, and/or cost/value over lenses produced without these types of elements. Is this actually the case?
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
frank theriault wrote: Save yer money and buy a Holga! You don't even have to shake that camera to get blur. LOL Is my Canomatic holgish enough? :D http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_10.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_13.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_15.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_17.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_21.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_23.jpg camera - Canomatic 35mm http://www.canomatic.de/galerie/jotter/canomatic.jpg shutter speed: unknown lens - 50/6.3 film - HP5+ dev - ~ISO2500 cheers -- alkos at tlen pl http://onephoto.net/portfolio.php3?id_autora=17765
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
frank theriault wrote: Save yer money and buy a Holga! You don't even have to shake that camera to get blur. LOL Is my Canomatic holgish enough? :D http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_10.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_13.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_15.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_17.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_21.jpg http://www.thefilebin.com/userfiles/alkos/canonmatic/44_23.jpg camera - Canomatic 35mm http://www.canomatic.de/galerie/jotter/canomatic.jpg shutter speed: unknown lens - 50/6.3 film - HP5+ dev - ~ISO2500 cheers -- alkos at tlen pl http://onephoto.net/portfolio.php3?id_autora=17765
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin Then you post one of the photographs you took, and one of the experts on this list will identify the model for you! That's easy enough. They're the ones that say Cooper on them, right? The ones with the Union flag on the roof. Not seen The Italian Job? 8-)
RE: Photo of my little bloke...
Thanks for the nice comments everybody... He is a really great little fella too...hardly as much as a whimper from him. Very contained and placid. But he's gonna be a big un... Cheers Shaun Dr. Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services 11 Lawrence Way Karratha, Western Australia, 6714 0414-967644 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heritageservices.com.au -Original Message- From: Simon King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:16 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Photo of my little bloke... Wow, his eyes are amazing. More! Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 6:12 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Photo of my little bloke... Hi Guys, Here's the first of many photos of my little fella. Cute ain't he? He's 7 months now (about 5 1/2 months in the photo). http://www.heritageservices.com.au/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=9p os=0 Cheers Shaun Dr. Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services 11 Lawrence Way Karratha, Western Australia, 6714 0414-967644 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heritageservices.com.au
Re: Free image browser
On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The majority of the free software available for Windows is junk and not worth my time to bother with. I haven't found that to be true. I always have problems trying to find good free PalmOS apps. The last thing I looked for was a scientific calculator app. I ended up paying for Calc Plus! as I couldn't find anything else that satisfied me. The HP simulators are good but awfully slow. Pity, I might have finally learned RPN :) Now, if only I could find a good street map application with my city on it... Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Paw a Deux: Fuzzy duck snowy equine shots
On Apr 5, 2005, at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/? action=viewcurrent=fuzduck.jpg This photo reminds me of one I took a few years ago, of a duck sitting up in the water flapping its wings. For some reason they do this just after they've been squabbling with other ducks. Then they shake their tail for a few seconds. It's a pity its wing obscures its head, but then the idea of a headless duck appeals to me at the moment (our section borders on a river). I really should take my 400mm to the botanical gardens again. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PESO: Shy smile
On Apr 5, 2005, at 3:24 PM, John Francis wrote: Until about the late 40's or 50's, other than lavish musicals, the world was entirely tones of grey. Aha! Do I detect another Calvin Hobbes fan? You beat me to it :) Bill Watterson is my second favourite cartoonist, after Carl Giles. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Free image browser
On Apr 5, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: LOL, it's certainly easy to ID the system loyalists, I have a friend who still persists with an Amiga system. Of course he also has a current PC that he will use once all other Amiga based options are exhausted, strangely he has to use the other system a lot :-) I've heard the Amiga OS may be making a comeback, but I'm not sure which hardware platform it'll use. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Free image browser
David Mann wrote on 05.04.05 10:58: I've heard the Amiga OS may be making a comeback, but I'm not sure which hardware platform it'll use. One option is Pegasos - Power PC G4 based platform with Amiga OS compatible Morph OS: http://www.pegasosppc.com/ second one was Amiga One - it was PPC based too, but I don't know if it is still sold. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PESO - Girl near a window
mw That's only according to the latest fashion, which decrees that all mw imperfections (for which you can read character) should be removed mw by photographic means if cosmetic surgery has not managed it previously. mw Boring, boring pictures. I much prefer the original, I'm afraid. Mike, you should definitely read The Immortality by Milan Kundera (Czech writer who emigrated to France during the communist regime, famous works like The Unbearable Lightness Of Being) - he writes a lot about such beauty there. It's a very ironic, sceptic dark book. That said, Butch worked the image well, professionaly. But for me, the adjusted image makes the woman not more beatiful, but just an automaton of _common_ beauty. The most _average_. Thus not beautiful. Good light! fra
Pentax Newsletter in german
Friday I got a Pentax newsletter with a link to a new photographic workshop. It's in german but maybe you find something similar on the international Pentax site? http://www.pentax.de/pentaxeurope/pentaxeurope_prod/pentaxeurope/v2/de/photo /workshops.html a nice customer service from Pentax! They also tell us about the new digital design studies on the 645 http://www.pentax.ch/index.php?id=442 in german and the tele DA 50 - 200 mm/4~5,6 ED http://www.pentax.ch/index.php?id=515 in german greetings Markus
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
RA new autofocus H1 series and digital H1D, which are not Carl Zeiss by the RA way but Hasselblad lenses, where probably also designed and assembled by RA Hasselblad even though a lot of manufacturing is done in Japan. AFAIK these are Fujinons, made by Fuji (as is the whole H1 camera, and the X-pan film rangefinder). Which is not a bad thing, both are gorgeous cameras with great lenses (just ask any LF shooter about Fujinons). Today, IMNSHO, ED glass is quite a meaningless term. It doesn't say anything about the good or bad of the lens, nor about its aberrations. It doesn't mean the lens is Apochromatic. It doesn't even hint at it. Same with APO. Also, I have never saw any manufacturer actually disclose what actual index does they mean by e.g. ED designation, and how much extreme it is compared to normal glass. Pentax was always quite conservative in its lens designations, which was good - but today market terms are more important than actual quality, so they must adapt to the market which asks for lens names longer than the lens barrel itself!!! Good light! fra
Re: Free image browser
Well said, Tom! Good light! fra
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
John Francis wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:08:49PM -0700, Keith Whaley wrote: John Francis wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:34:05PM -0400, Amita Guha wrote: My inlaws have a Mini Cooper (not sure if it's the S, but it's a year-old BMW). Not a ragtop, unfortunately. That is one sweet machine. I couldn't stop photographing it when they took me for a ride. :) It should be easy enough to tell if it's an S, from just about any photograph (front, side or rear view). Yes, I suppose so, if your name is John Francis, right? How about if your name is Amita Guha? Then you post one of the photographs you took, and one of the experts on this list will identify the model for you! That's easy enough. Aha! The game is afoot! Amita, the ball is in your court! Now you must submit a couple of photos of that sweet machine! g keith
Re: Compact Drive PD7X
It seems they are working on a new version, expected by end of April (or probably later, IMO). Voltage regulation and better battery/card doors. So it could be worth waiting a bit. Or maybe not, if the unit helps you today, at the price it's not bad, and you can always reuse the drive in the new one later, if it's so better. Many times it's better to use tools available at the time than just wait for announced ones. Good light! fra
Re: The DA retested and loved again!
Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 4:34:49 AM, David wrote: DS Seems to be some CA in both the DA samples, which isn't evedent in the DS M28 shots. Yes! The CA makes the 16-45 totally unusable! How ugly ;-) Joking... Both look very good. There is some CA, but the 16-45 holds up very nicely to the prime! Good light! fra
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
i think all of the following. it's not just Pentax. Herb - Original Message - From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass. So the question is, what's going on here? I see a few possibilities: * ED glass has suddenly become cheap enough to use in a broader range of lenses. * ED glass has become necessary to produce acceptible results with DSLR's. * ED glass has become enough of a recognized feature that using it pays dividends in improved lens sales. * Pentax has become committed to producing better zooms than ever before, possibly to try to close the door on 3rd party lenses (much like SMC does).
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
if it were a single event, it would be different. Pentax has been revising projected sales figures downwards since the *istDS was announced and they did so before as well, since the announcement of the *istD, in fact. that's a lot of quarters where the president stands up in front of shareholders and says they were too optimistic again. there is only so much of that to go on until people stop believing you. that's reflected in the stock price. it peaked at something over 600 yen per share just before the announcement of the *istD and is now in the mid 300s. Herb... - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:55 AM Subject: Re: DS Doing Well in Japan If I put as much effort into this as you seem to, I am sure I could prove that Canon is about to go under. All one needs to do is identify one negative trend and extrapolate it until Kingdom come. It's easy to do, but it's not actually reality.
P-DFA 100mm f2.8
Has anybody compared the SMCP-D FA 100mm F2.8 to the standard (or old) SMC FA 100mm f2.8 macro, particularly when using the *ist D? Cheers Shaun Dr. Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services 11 Lawrence Way Karratha, Western Australia, 6714 0414-967644 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.heritageservices.com.au
Re: OT: Mini Cooper-S [WAS: The Older Man - WAS: PESO: Here's my Mannequin]
Excellent! A clear description is all one needs, actually, and you've given it. Succinct is good! S stands for Supercharger, Scoop, S-slash on side of body, Spoiler. Easy to remember. Thank you, John... keith John Francis wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:27:56PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin Then you post one of the photographs you took, and one of the experts on this list will identify the model for you! That's easy enough. They're the ones that say Cooper on them, right? All the imports into the USA are Coopers - they don't import the Mini One. The distinction was between Cooper and Cooper S (for supercharger). Differences: Hood Scoop. S flashes on the side, near the front of the door. Spoiler. Twin Exhaust Wheels (not absolute, but indicative). And, of course, a script S on the rear.
Re: PESO: Shy smile
John Francis wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:56:30PM -0400, frank theriault wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 10:52 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It all starts out in colour Frank g So you think. Until about the late 40's or 50's, other than lavish musicals, the world was entirely tones of grey. Aha! Do I detect another Calvin Hobbes fan? Rabidly! keith
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the imports into the USA are Coopers - they don't import the Mini One. The distinction was between Cooper and Cooper S (for supercharger). Differences: Hood Scoop. S flashes on the side, near the front of the door. Spoiler. Twin Exhaust Wheels (not absolute, but indicative). And, of course, a script S on the rear. I thought the S was so designated because it's so slow - traveling at a snail's pace, in fact. That's why people point at them and say look at that S-car go! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: The DA retested and loved again!
:-) I wasn't putting the lens down. Heck, even my limited lenses display some CA if the conditions are right (or wrong depending on your POV :-). I've been looking at the samples from the 16-45 that others have posted and I'm thinking I might have to get one. Sharpness wise, the performance compared to the M28 prime is very impressive. Dave S On Apr 5, 2005 6:19 PM, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 4:34:49 AM, David wrote: DS Seems to be some CA in both the DA samples, which isn't evedent in the DS M28 shots. Yes! The CA makes the 16-45 totally unusable! How ugly ;-) Joking... Both look very good. There is some CA, but the 16-45 holds up very nicely to the prime! Good light! fra
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
Neat little observation, but I wonder where you see your Minis! Around here, they're driven like the pur sang creature it is. With Vigor! g keith whaley Southern California Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the imports into the USA are Coopers - they don't import the Mini One. The distinction was between Cooper and Cooper S (for supercharger). Differences: Hood Scoop. S flashes on the side, near the front of the door. Spoiler. Twin Exhaust Wheels (not absolute, but indicative). And, of course, a script S on the rear. I thought the S was so designated because it's so slow - traveling at a snail's pace, in fact. That's why people point at them and say look at that S-car go!
Re: PAW: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got)
I am sorry for posting too many PAWs almost at once :). You've used up your supply of PAWs until the twelfth week of 07. VBG Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 5, 2005 12:49 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PAW: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got) Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=180060 If I were Joe now, I would be very saddened by having to part with such a lens... [wink] I am sorry for posting too many PAWs almost at once :). Boris PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Pentax lens review site gone?
There used to be a very good review of Pentax glass at: http://home.att.net/~alnem/ Now it comes up as Content Blocked. Anyone know what happened to it? It and Stans site at: http://stans-photography.info/ were my favorites. :-( Don
RE: Free image browser
Hi Mark you have a very well assorted list of good free- and commercial software here. It's a good link to send to friends too, thanks. I used most of the software already. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:11 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Free image browser Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main reason for owning WinDoze? Freebies! ;-) More free software than you can possibly ever use: http://www.robertstech.com/pixel/software.htm (Some of it is available for Mac and even Linux, but most is 'doze-only.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Free image browser
Amen. Well stated. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 6:50 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Free image browser Windows is a monkey wrench. Unix, including the current Mac, is a crescent wrench. Both work on about any kind of bolt, but one is better for square bolts, and the other is better for hex bolts. Neither is as good as a properly fitted socket wrench on any bolt. I have alway claimed that the one you have is better than the one you don't have whether you are talking computers, cameras, wrenches, or hammers. In other words, a tool is a tool, use it to the best of your ability and it will serve you well. That assumes of course you keep your tools in good condition. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Frantisek wrote: GD But to tout a system as having appeal because you can get a huge lot of GD free software, particularly when the vast majority of it is junk, is GD ridiculous and speaks a tremendous näivete regards computer systems. Oh boys... please... spitting contents elsewhere. I am pretty fed up with morons touting _any_ computer system as the holy grail. Good light! fra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
Re: Pentax lens review site gone?
Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be a very good review of Pentax glass at: http://home.att.net/~alnem/ Now it comes up as Content Blocked. Anyone know what happened to it? It's on an ATT home account web site and I believe that those are bandwidth-limited. You're allowed only so much traffic and if you exceed your limit you either have to pay extra or access to your page is shut down until the beginning of the next billing period. Either that the owner just hasn't paid his bill ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Mini Cooper-S [WAS: The Older Man - WAS: PESO: Here's my Mannequin]
You forgot the 48-horsepower kick in the rear over the standard Cooper. My favorite part about my Cooper S. :-) -Mat On Apr 5, 2005 6:16 AM, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent! A clear description is all one needs, actually, and you've given it. Succinct is good! S stands for Supercharger, Scoop, S-slash on side of body, Spoiler. Easy to remember.
RE: Pentax lens review site gone?
Can I send a donation? ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:09 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax lens review site gone? Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be a very good review of Pentax glass at: http://home.att.net/~alnem/ Now it comes up as Content Blocked. Anyone know what happened to it? It's on an ATT home account web site and I believe that those are bandwidth-limited. You're allowed only so much traffic and if you exceed your limit you either have to pay extra or access to your page is shut down until the beginning of the next billing period. Either that the owner just hasn't paid his bill ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Yes, that's exactly what it is... fast and sharp. Also much smaller and lighter than the A135/1.8. I took a series of 135's out some time ago for a test. (While my kids were at Sunday school...) I had the Takumar 135 K mount, the M135/3.5, the K135/2.5, and the A135/1.8. In a simple series of test shots, the K135/2.5 proved to be very good, the 2nd best. Regards, Bob S. On Apr 5, 2005 6:57 AM, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
Re: PESO - Girl near a window
Frantisek wrote: mw That's only according to the latest fashion, which decrees that all mw imperfections (for which you can read character) should be removed mw by photographic means if cosmetic surgery has not managed it previously. mw Boring, boring pictures. I much prefer the original, I'm afraid. Mike, you should definitely read The Immortality by Milan Kundera (Czech writer who emigrated to France during the communist regime, famous works like The Unbearable Lightness Of Being) - he writes a lot about such beauty there. It's a very ironic, sceptic dark book. That said, Butch worked the image well, professionaly. But for me, the adjusted image makes the woman not more beatiful, but just an automaton of _common_ beauty. The most _average_. Thus not beautiful. Absolutely agreed. Soudns like an interesting book. BTW, I was not wanting to denigrate the work done to the picture. Just the point of it. 8-) mike
Re: PESO: Shy smile
On Apr 5, 2005 12:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Untrue ... quickly coming to mind is the 1938 production of Robin Hood, which was proceeded by any number of color films. Few were lavish musicals. The first Technicolor movie was The Gulf Between, made in 1917, followed a few years later by The Toll of the sea starring Anna Mae Wong, and soon thereafter by a Zane Gray western, Wanderer of the Wasteland. In 1926 Douglas Fairbanks had a big ht (for Fairbanks), The Black Pirate, and in 1928, using Technicolor's process 3, came The Viking. In 1930 Warner brothers produced 15 movies using the Technicolor process, and let's not forget the mid-thirties production, also by Warner Brothers, of The Mystery of The Wax Museum, and, of course, the first color animated cartoon made by Disney in, I believe, 1932 (Becky Sharp also was released about that time), soon followed by the animated Three Little Pigs. And let's not forget the famous Technicolor version of Fantasia in 1940. As far as I can recall, there were very few musicals, lavish or otherwise, produced before 1940. The short film, La Cucaracha comes to mind as one, and perhaps the Dancing Pirate was another. Oh, of course there was The Wizard of Oz (in what, 1939)? Color has been around a long, long time (ninety years or so), although the early years of color movies were shot on BW film through color filters, not thee type of color stock we've become familiar with. Relax, Shel. I was just joking around. The MGM musicals in the 40's and 50's were in large part filmed in colour. Many other films were still made in black and white, well into the 50's. I was speaking in very broad generalities, just to make a joke. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Pentax lens review site gone?
Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I send a donation? ;-) Have you tried emailing the site owner/maintainer to what's going on? Also: I think Google has at least some of his pages archived: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SkpeJHaqM_4J:home.att.net/~alnem/html/equipment_review.html+pentax+lens+reviews+home.att.nethl=enie=UTF-8 -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
And, of course, a script S on the rear. Yes, I went back to look at my photos and that would have been the giveaway. :) Amita
RE: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Thanks Bob! Don -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:09 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments? Yes, that's exactly what it is... fast and sharp. Also much smaller and lighter than the A135/1.8. I took a series of 135's out some time ago for a test. (While my kids were at Sunday school...) I had the Takumar 135 K mount, the M135/3.5, the K135/2.5, and the A135/1.8. In a simple series of test shots, the K135/2.5 proved to be very good, the 2nd best. Regards, Bob S. On Apr 5, 2005 6:57 AM, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
RE: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
Aha! The game is afoot! Amita, the ball is in your court! Now you must submit a couple of photos of that sweet machine! g I will, tonight! Unfortunately, mine were taken when the aperture control on my D was busted, but I got a couple of decent ones...
Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
I use it quite frequently. It's probably in my top three lenses in terms of the amount of use it gets. I've found it to be very good. Here's one of my 135/2.5 favorites. (Warning: It's from the wakeboarding series, and has been seen here before.) http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2686475size=lg On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:57 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
On Apr 5, 2005 7:22 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the S was so designated because it's so slow - traveling at a snail's pace, in fact. That's why people point at them and say look at that S-car go! Now you're recycling material, Mark. Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
On Apr 5, 2005 7:57 AM, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? I have one. I like it a lot. Can't compare it to the 1.8, though, as I've never used the latter lens. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Paw a Deux: Fuzzy duck snowy equine shots
If we get enough, maybe we can make it a PUG theme. And it would be titled Photography for the Birds Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:28 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Paw a Deux: Fuzzy duck snowy equine shots Hey John. If we get enough, maybe we can make it a PUG theme.LOL Nice blur BTW Dave Hey, I can do fuzzy birds, too! http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/thames/_IGP0541.jpg John On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:38:53 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang. All these great shots by Paul and Bruce with nice clear and crisp âFlying Ratâ photos got me to thinkinâ. How about one from a first try with the new Sigma 170 -500.:-) http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=fuz duck.jpg Tech details: D2H Sigma 170-500 AF-S, instead of AF-C(D'oh) Sneaky duck who surprised me Very bad pan.:-) This other one is from the Sigma 300 f4 and the istD a few weeks ago. Bad day to test as you can see it was snowing (humm, seems to do that a lot here lately.LOL) http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=sno wbreak.jpg Tech details: IstD Sigma 300 f4 Light snow and A cold and tired horse (BTW the grey acting as the snow break is his older brother.) I know you will curse me for linking the first one, :-), but I hope you like the second. Comments are appreciated. Dave -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005 PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2005 7:22 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the S was so designated because it's so slow - traveling at a snail's pace, in fact. That's why people point at them and say look at that S-car go! Now you're recycling material, Mark. I'm environmentally conscious! Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... Dunno. I got it from a joke about a snail buying a Cadillac... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax lens review site gone?
Don Sanderson wrote: There used to be a very good review of Pentax glass at: http://home.att.net/~alnem/ Now it comes up as Content Blocked. Anyone know what happened to it? Try archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20040716085338/home.att.net/~alnem/html/equipment_review.html S
Re: Something Different
An interesting reflection. Looks like you shot just the reflection on the surface of the water and inverted it. Nice idea. It is both pleasing and different. On Apr 4, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Check out - http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Coments - yea, nay or otherwise Thanks Kenneth Waller PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
RE: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Thanks Paul! Don -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:26 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments? I use it quite frequently. It's probably in my top three lenses in terms of the amount of use it gets. I've found it to be very good. Here's one of my 135/2.5 favorites. (Warning: It's from the wakeboarding series, and has been seen here before.) http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2686475size=lg On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:57 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
RE: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Thanks Frank! Don -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:31 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments? On Apr 5, 2005 7:57 AM, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? I have one. I like it a lot. Can't compare it to the 1.8, though, as I've never used the latter lens. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Realviz 4.0 stitcher
FWIW, Panoramamaker was what Lepp was using as of last fall. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 9:20 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Realviz 4.0 stitcher PanoTools, since it really is just a Photoshop plugin. if you send me some images, i can try to stitch them with my copy of Stitcher Express to see if you like the results. it will give you an idea of how well it stitches, at least. i didn't and regret spending the $100USD for it. i have 4 or 5 other commercial programs i have tried and don't like them at all. the only one that i use occasionally is VR Panoworx, and that only because it produces QTVR pretty reasonably. i stitch in PhotoVista and export a single image to be set up in Panoworx. Ulead Cool 360 has a decent user interface completely shackled by non-resizable windows. PTAssembler does blending really nicely, but can't align worth a damn. i've never loaded my copy of Arcsoft Panorama Maker. i think it is on one of my digicam software CDs, but i don't remember anymore. i know that the original version wasn't especially liked on panoguide.com, but since they have changed the web site design and dropped all their software reviews, it's a pretty useless site for finding out things like this. Herb... - Original Message - From: Larry Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Realviz 4.0 stitcher Ken and Herb: Thanks for the feedback. I also have Panorama Maker 3.0 I like it, but it does not do 16 bit/channel and large multi row and column stitches. Realviz does this. Are there other stitching programs that do 16 bit/channel input amd output? PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: PESO - Girl near a window
mw Absolutely agreed. Soudns like an interesting book. BTW, I was not mw wanting to denigrate the work done to the picture. Just the point of mw it. 8-) Neither me :-) I have myself had to do such work for some clients (wedding portraits), and I can appretiate how hard to do it is sometimes ;-) But my personal preference and opinion - I have already wrote. BTW, Kundera _is_ a very interesting author - interesting mix between Czech and French culture (he lately wrote only in French, although he is Czech g). Good light! fra
Re: From the archive: Grandfather 2001 PDML group photo
Can't believe she gave us up for some guy:-). He was probably a Canon shooter with alot of long lenses. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 10:45 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: From the archive: Grandfather 2001 PDML group photo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great pic. Whatever became of Jeep Girl? Didn't she get married? Yes. She'd told TV about some guy she was hot for and he kept telling her to go talk to him. One day she did. When TV called back a few weeks later she was married. Can't believe she gave us up for some guy:-). Think about it: One meeting with 7 PDML members and she goes rushing off into the arms of the first stranger she meets. Hardly a ringing endorsement! http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pdml2001.jpg (650 x 650, approx 100k) BTW: I've just developed a couple of rolls of BW from last year and discovered (remembered) that I also shot a couple of GFM group portraits on the 645. I'll have 'em on line in a couple of days. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
OT: Spirit question (and some new gear)
This question only applies to our European friends ;-). Anyone (maybe in France) who could help me out getting a couple of the following (glass) items: Jean Danflou La Prisonniere Poire William (Pear Brandy). Picture (for identification purposes): http://specialtyspirits.com/laprisonniere-p.htm Maybe you could help with a webshop link where to buy or possibly someone could buy for me (naturally I pay all costs) and send over? And, to keep slightly on topic: yesterday I loaded my new LowePro Dryzone 200 backpack with my Pentax and Wista (LF) gear. Now I am waiting for the spring to get my sailboat back to the water ;-). Thanks, Antti-Pekka Antti-Pekka Virjonen Estera Oy Turku www.estera.fi www.computec.fi
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
On Apr 5, 2005 8:52 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... Dunno. I got it from a joke about a snail buying a Cadillac... Yeah, I remember that joke now. As far as the French car, I tried Googling it, but nothing came up. I likely spelled it wrong. I think it was a show-car from maybe a decade ago, kind of rounded and real small - a modern take of a Citroen 2 CV, IIRC. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Something Different
On Apr 4, 2005 5:21 PM, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out - http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Coments - yea, nay or otherwise Thanks A bit unsettling at first, but pretty cool! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
300 mm zoom lenses
need to replace my damaged Sigma 100-300 lens and as I am getting a new lens I thought I might be able to get close to an all-purpose lens to reduce the problems I have with my neck and shoulders if I spend a day lugging around a couple of cameras and lenses. The Tamron 28-300 XR should cover the range of the lenses I have now, at least at the long end, but I'm not sure if it is good enough. How do the images from the Tamron 24-135, the Sigma 100-300 the Tamron 28-300 XR compare, especially for resolution/sharpness? User reviews I read on Internet vary a lot in their opinion on the quality of the 28-300 lens and the images it produces. Thanks Mike
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
On Apr 4, 2005 10:51 PM, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious. In the days of 35mm SLR's, Pentax had a few ED lenses; mostly fairly long telephotos. Now that DSLR's are the up-and-coming thing, suddenly we're seeing ED glass in the 16-45, 50-200 (as yet unreleased), and the 12-24 (newly announced). AL elements have also become more commonplace. So the question is, what's going on here? I see a few possibilities: * ED glass has suddenly become cheap enough to use in a broader range of lenses. * ED glass has become necessary to produce acceptible results with DSLR's. * ED glass has become enough of a recognized feature that using it pays dividends in improved lens sales. * Pentax has become committed to producing better zooms than ever before, possibly to try to close the door on 3rd party lenses (much like SMC does). Much as I love my Pentax equipment, I can't help but wonder if the sudden proliferation of ED glass in Pentax's DA lenses is because without the ED glass the lenses on DSLR's wouldn't live up to the performance of their FA equivilants in 35mm format. The same question could apply to the proliferation of AL elements in recent lenses, though this trend actually began back around the late 90's, so it's not as new of a trend. I would love to hear that AL and ED elements common in recent Pentax lenses represent actual improvements to image quality, size, weight, and/or cost/value over lenses produced without these types of elements. Is this actually the case? -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
On Apr 4, 2005 10:51 PM, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious. In the days of 35mm SLR's, Pentax had a few ED lenses; mostly fairly long telephotos. Now that DSLR's are the up-and-coming thing, suddenly we're seeing ED glass in the 16-45, 50-200 (as yet unreleased), and the 12-24 (newly announced). AL elements have also become more commonplace. So the question is, what's going on here? I see a few possibilities: * ED glass has suddenly become cheap enough to use in a broader range of lenses. * ED glass has become necessary to produce acceptible results with DSLR's. * ED glass has become enough of a recognized feature that using it pays dividends in improved lens sales. * Pentax has become committed to producing better zooms than ever before, possibly to try to close the door on 3rd party lenses (much like SMC does). Much as I love my Pentax equipment, I can't help but wonder if the sudden proliferation of ED glass in Pentax's DA lenses is because without the ED glass the lenses on DSLR's wouldn't live up to the performance of their FA equivilants in 35mm format. The same question could apply to the proliferation of AL elements in recent lenses, though this trend actually began back around the late 90's, so it's not as new of a trend. I would love to hear that AL and ED elements common in recent Pentax lenses represent actual improvements to image quality, size, weight, and/or cost/value over lenses produced without these types of elements. Is this actually the case? ED stands for what? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
frank theriault wrote: On Apr 5, 2005 7:22 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the S was so designated because it's so slow - traveling at a snail's pace, in fact. That's why people point at them and say look at that S-car go! Now you're recycling material, Mark. Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... Probably developed on the same line as the Nova, destined for the South American market. Only hope the design was better than the grammar. m
Re: PAW: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got)
On Apr 5, 2005 12:49 AM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=180060 If I were Joe now, I would be very saddened by having to part with such a lens... [wink] I am sorry for posting too many PAWs almost at once :). Boris Your daughter has gorgeous eyes. I really like this photo, for all the reasons Bruce said. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO - Girl near a window
Frantisek wrote: mw Absolutely agreed. Soudns like an interesting book. BTW, I was not mw wanting to denigrate the work done to the picture. Just the point of mw it. 8-) Neither me :-) I have myself had to do such work for some clients (wedding portraits), and I can appretiate how hard to do it is sometimes ;-) But my personal preference and opinion - I have already wrote. BTW, Kundera _is_ a very interesting author - interesting mix between Czech and French culture (he lately wrote only in French, although he is Czech g). So - one thing to like about him and one thing to, er, not like so much 8-))) m
Re: OT: Spirit question (and some new gear)
Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: This question only applies to our European friends ;-). Anyone (maybe in France) who could help me out getting a couple of the following (glass) items: Jean Danflou La Prisonniere Poire William (Pear Brandy). Picture (for identification purposes): http://specialtyspirits.com/laprisonniere-p.htm Maybe you could help with a webshop link where to buy or possibly someone could buy for me (naturally I pay all costs) and send over? Can't help you at the moment, as I am in the middle of house and garden refurbishments (it's actually more like autumn turnover for any aquatic biologists out there) but will look for you tomorrow. there are other brands that do this - does it have to be The Prisoner? (I am not a spirit, I am a free Pear!) And, to keep slightly on topic: yesterday I loaded my new LowePro Dryzone 200 backpack with my Pentax and Wista (LF) gear. Now I am waiting for the spring to get my sailboat back to the water ;-). Thanks, Antti-Pekka Antti-Pekka Virjonen Estera Oy Turku www.estera.fi www.computec.fi
Re: PESO: pug redux
On Apr 4, 2005 2:15 PM, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt like the way the bw conversion went with my PUG entry, I redid it here with a different approach, its a little brighter. Comments and critiques welcome. http://www.g0nz.com/images/womex.jpg Since the specific issue here seems to be a comparison between your PUG and this PAW, I greatly prefer the PAW. Seems to me that there's much more detail in this one. I would say it's a lot brighter, not a bit, and it looks much better for it. I know the teeth are fried. I find the rims of her glasses too bright as well, but overall, a much more satisfying take of the photo. And, it's a good photo to begin with. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Don. I've had a couple - three of those lenses, and used an A*135/1.8 a few times. The K135/2.5 is a great lens by comparison, especially for the money. The size is quite a bit more handy as well. IMO, especially when shooting hand held, the K135 is comparable to the A*135/1.8 unless you must have the wider aperture. Putting them on a tripod, critically focusing, using appropriate shutter speeds and film that can see the differences between the lenses, and making large enough prints in which you can see what the film sees, then by all means the A*135 is the better lens - but not 5x to 8x better, which is about how much more the A* will cost over the K135. Shel [Original Message] From: Don Sanderson I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? TIA Don
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
Extra-low Dispersion I think. Dave S On Apr 5, 2005 9:11 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ED stands for what? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO: Other 2005 - 14p - GDG
On Apr 4, 2005 3:23 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moving continues to consume most of my time for the present, but I've just gotten my desktop system back up and running so I can continue with image processing now. :-) I've got two/three photos I'm working on for my People and Portraits PAW, but this one popped out at me as an Other. http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/14p.htm Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. Can't say it does much for me. cheers, frank ps: I was once severely taken to task for saying that a photo didn't do much for me. All it means is that it didn't move me. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's not a value-judgment. It means just as it says. I often can't express why a certain photo has a huge emotional impact on me; it just does. This is the opposite. Doesn't mean it's a bad photo. Doesn't even mean that I didn't ~like~ it. Just didn't move me, is all. -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Mini Innocenti - Cooper S 1300 shots for Amita
Hi Amita my second car was a Mini Cooper S racing car but I had a full crash with it soon before I took a photo. The second one I had was a Mini Innocenti 1300 with a special Cooper S 1300 race motor and some other extras . A very expensive and wonderful expericence 20 years ago , have a look at: Front: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3255185 Side: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3255180 not the best shots, but a good souvenir for me, I still have that Mini_Cooper sign :-) made with the Pentax ME Super greetings Markus
Re: Paw a Deux: Fuzzy duck snowy equine shots
Thanks Bruce. I think on the duck shot i was in Av mode and probably iso 200(i'll have to check at home) so i can see why the wings are not frozen better. I try a number of times during the year at the farm to get these guys but it is tough. The rats are abit easier, as are the Swans as they just waddle or float.vbg Ya i'm not sure why i like the horse one either,it just appeals to me.Maybe because he looks so cold and forlorn in the snow storm.?? Thanks for the comments Dave Dave, The first shot looks more like a flying mouse rather than rat - not quite as big and mean. I do have to say, they are very hard to shoot, once you put your mind to it. The geese do at least give you a lot of warning that they are coming, what with their loud, constant honking. You seemed to catch the moment, just a bit more shutter speed to freeze/sharpen it up. The compression from the 300 in the second image helps make it with the tree backdrop coming up on the horses. I rather like this one, though I can't articulate why. Maybe the colors and composition just make me really feel like I'm there. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 4, 2005, 4:38:53 AM, you wrote: bcinHey gang. bcin All these great shots by Paul and Bruce with nice clear bcin and crisp Flying Rat photos got bcin me to bcin thinkin. How about one from a first try with the new Sigma 170-5 00.:-) bcin http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t= fuzduck.jpg bcin Tech details: bcin D2H bcin Sigma 170-500 bcin AF-S, instead of AF-C(D'oh) bcin Sneaky duck who surprised me bcin Very bad pan.:-) bcin This other one is from the Sigma 300 f4 and the istD a few weeks ag o. bcin Bad day to test as you can see it was snowing (humm, seems to do th at a lot here bcin lately.LOL) bcin http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t= snowbreak.jpg bcin Tech details: bcin IstD bcin Sigma 300 f4 bcin Light snow and bcin A cold and tired horse bcin (BTW the grey acting as the snow break is his older brother.) bcin I know you will curse me for linking the first one, :-), bcin but I hope you like the second. bcin Comments are appreciated. bcin Dave
RE: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
It was a Nissan S-Cargo, a small van based on Pulsar mechanicals. I don't think they were ever sold new in Australia, but I have seen a few that have been imported. They are eye-catching enough that they double as advertising for the businesses that use them. Usually it is places like florists that have small deliveries to make that buy them. Regards, Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:05 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin On Apr 5, 2005 8:52 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... Dunno. I got it from a joke about a snail buying a Cadillac... Yeah, I remember that joke now. As far as the French car, I tried Googling it, but nothing came up. I likely spelled it wrong. I think it was a show-car from maybe a decade ago, kind of rounded and real small - a modern take of a Citroen 2 CV, IIRC. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
One of the things to consider is that the Japanese market is extremely condensed. All those people live in an area about the size of California. It makes distribution easier. It make for concentrated niche markets. Only now with the internet are dealers now beginning to be able to concentrate on niche markets in the US. Heretofor it was imposible for a local dealer to get enough sales to make it worth stocking limited market items. In Japan that is not necessarily so, witness the 4x5 magazine film fuji sells on the local market but does not export. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: frank theriault wrote on 05.04.05 1:56: Japan is a county of 130,000,000 people. It's population is largely affluent. It's population seems to love the latest in high-tech gizmos, and I'm thinking that DSLR's are included therein. That's true. What is interesting however, from what I've read - Japan is one of the countries where film is still very popular among advanced photographers. It has still a strong position for instance among wedding photographers. There are a lot of positive film lovers - proof in Fuji offer for Japan - Velvia 100 (not 100F) was there available about one year before UE and USA... And sales of expensive (over 2000 USD) Nikon F6 proofs it too. Whatever place they are in the world camera market, they are a significant and important market. That Pentax is making a significant dent in that market is A Good Thing (as Martha Stewart would say). Yes, it seems that Ds sales are exactly as expected by Pentax. This company was never serious contender for giants like Canon or Nikon, but it always had more or less fixed share on SLR/DSLR market. Let's hope they will be able to keep up with the forthcoming ~600 USD class Nikon D50... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005
RE: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
Didn't one of the French carmakers have a prototype of a little urban car (if it ever went into production, it certainly never made it to North America) called the S-Car-Go? I'm thinking Citroen, or maybe Peugeot... Nissan did the S-Cargo. A little van from the early 90s with a hint of 2CV in the styling: http://images.google.com/images?q=s-cargo I think they were produced in limited numbers and only ever sold in Japan. I have seen one or two in the UK, which must have been specially imported. The Figaro was a little retro-styled Nissan from the same period which occasionally turns up in the UK too: http://images.google.com/images?q=nissan%20figaro ** This e-mail has been sent from Imagination Technologies Limited. PowerVR, Metagence, Ensigma and PURE Digital are divisions of Imagination Technologies Limited. The information contained in this e-mail, including any attachment, is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) and access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the information contained in this e-mail, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then delete it from your system. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions which arise as a result. Any views expressed in this message are those of the author, except where the author specifies and, with authority, states them to be the views of Imagination Technologies Limited.
Re: DS Doing Well in Japan
Yes, I understand those Limies are not very smart. Sort of like those folks in Seattle. They don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. Also I don't think they have ever adjusted to the loss of their empire where they could tax local items to the point that it was cheaper to order a bus from England for use in India than to buy one build in India. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- mike wilson wrote: Graywolf wrote: I would wager that was before taxes, and that there was a damn good tax advantage doing it that way. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- mike wilson wrote: British Leyland (Rover) made the original mini from 1959 to about 1999. For the first thirty years thay made an average 10/- (50p - $1) loss on every one. But that's just us. AFAIK, it was a nett loss. Took them over 15 years to realise the situation. m -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005
Re: GFM PDML
I'm still planning on itsomeone has to help Frank drink the beer. Norm William Robb wrote: Has anyone made a list of whom from the PDML is attending GFM this year?
RE: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got)
Hi Boris a really nice photo. Did you ever see my past emails recomending the Tamron SP 90mm Macro twice for you? Now you know why greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 6:50 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PAW: No Title (Really trying Tamron 90/2.5 I've got) Hi! http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=180060 If I were Joe now, I would be very saddened by having to part with such a lens... [wink] I am sorry for posting too many PAWs almost at once :). Boris
RE: reflective material
Hi Kevin I think IKEA uses some similar plastic material on some of their cheap laundry baskets. Could well work as softball or reflector replacement greetings Markus 100% Failure on this... I cannot find any reflective material in this hick town. I also was needing some 'Downing clamps' to hold two pieces of pipe together to join them ...
RE: OT: The Older Man - was: PESO: Here's my Mannequin
Hi William Hint: If your not a Cooper expert, better look inside at the instrument panel to see the differences ;-) Talking about *real race* Coopers of course, not the *new (for me ugly) ones... The outside *nearly* looks the same on all minis *on first sight*. Front: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3255185 Side: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3255180 Outside bodywork = Italy Innocenti (an expert would see that immediately) inside: engine, carburettor and more = Cooper S greetings Markus They're the ones that say Cooper on them, right? William Robb
Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. I'm one of those guys that calls it that frequently (and, as a very lucky - and nowadays quite poor - user of an A* 135/1.8, I can make that claim from experience - g). I've had a couple - three of those lenses, and used an A*135/1.8 a few times. The K135/2.5 is a great lens by comparison, especially for the money. The size is quite a bit more handy as well. IMO, especially when shooting hand held, the K135 is comparable to the A*135/1.8 unless you must have the wider aperture. This is my experience, as well. The K 135/2.5 goes with me frequently whenever I think I might use a 135 prime, while the A* 135/1.8 sits in protective custody back at home most of the time (unless I think I might really need the extra speed), and I honestly don't feel that I'm making a compromise when making the decision... And, as for its rich man's design, the K 135/2.5 shares the same optical configuration as the K 200/2.5 and the A* 200/2.8 (the only three Pentax lenses to share their particular configuration), and I'd say that's pretty good company to be in - g. Fred
Re: Something Different
Kenneth Waller wrote on 4/4/2005, 5:21 PM: Check out - http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Coments - yea, nay or otherwise Nay - makes me queasy. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 300 mm zoom lenses
How do the images from the Tamron 24-135, the Sigma 100-300 the Tamron 28-300 XR compare, especially for resolution/sharpness? User reviews I read on Internet vary a lot in their opinion on the quality of the 28-300 lens and the images it produces. I'd be pretty suspicious as to the optical qualities of any 28-300 lens. (Call me old-fashioned, but that'd be asking too much for any zoom design to succeed with.) It sounds as if you're looking for an autofocus lens. However, if you're amenable to a ~manual~ focus 100-300, I highly recommend the Tokina AT-X 100-300/4, a superb long zoom. Fred
Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?
Thanks Fred! Don -Original message- From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:19:53 -0500 To: Shel Belinkoff pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: SMCP 135/2.5 comments? I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. I'm one of those guys that calls it that frequently (and, as a very lucky - and nowadays quite poor - user of an A* 135/1.8, I can make that claim from experience - g). I've had a couple - three of those lenses, and used an A*135/1.8 a few times. The K135/2.5 is a great lens by comparison, especially for the money. The size is quite a bit more handy as well. IMO, especially when shooting hand held, the K135 is comparable to the A*135/1.8 unless you must have the wider aperture. This is my experience, as well. The K 135/2.5 goes with me frequently whenever I think I might use a 135 prime, while the A* 135/1.8 sits in protective custody back at home most of the time (unless I think I might really need the extra speed), and I honestly don't feel that I'm making a compromise when making the decision... And, as for its rich man's design, the K 135/2.5 shares the same optical configuration as the K 200/2.5 and the A* 200/2.8 (the only three Pentax lenses to share their particular configuration), and I'd say that's pretty good company to be in - g. Fred
Re: 300 mm zoom lenses
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, MikeM wrote: around a couple of cameras and lenses. The Tamron 28-300 XR should cover the range of the lenses I have now, at least at the long end, but I'm not sure if it is good enough. I instinctively shy away from lenses with greater than 4 times (as a rule of thumb) zoom factor. Kostas
The Virtual Drop Test [was: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?]
I've heard this lens called the Poor Mans 135/1.8. Anyone have any experience with it? For me, the ~ultimate~ test as to just how much I appreciate a lens is to apply the Virtual Drop Test. When I'm using a lens I ~really~ like, or when looking over prints that I ~really~ like, I sometimes ask myself, Is this a lens that I would ~really~ miss if I were to drop it and destroy it in a moment of intense personal tragedy?. (OK, maybe some of this is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but only ~some~ of it - g). Well, if the answer is yes, then I try to find another copy of the lens and put it aside for the proverbial rainy day that I hope never comes... The beauty of this Virtual Drop Test is that it is not an intellectual decision that is made, clouded in the tentative ambiguities of multiple cerebral synapses. Instead, bringing to mind the image of a cherished but damaged sweetheart of a lens turns it into an entirely ~visceral~ gut decision, made by the photographic heart. = Well, the K 135/2.5 is just one of those lenses . . . = [Of course, the downside of the Virtual Drop Test is that I am probably not the only one to apply this sort of illogic, and I/we am/are guilty of squirreling away copies of some of the real lens gems, making it harder for the rest of us to get to savor their attributes - sorry, guys, it's unbridled lens lust at its worst, and I can't help myself!] Fred
Re: GFM PDML
Norman Baugher wrote: I'm still planning on itsomeone has to help Frank drink the beer. Norm William Robb wrote: Has anyone made a list of whom from the PDML is attending GFM this year? I'll be there! However -- I can't help with the beer... Probably will be better able to document the festivities as a result ;) annsan
Re: The DA retested and loved again!
I've been very happy with the quality of the DA16-45/4 and don't understand all this flap about it. It's a very good lens. Godfrey
Re: The Virtual Drop Test [was: SMCP 135/2.5 comments?]
Is this a lens that I would ~really~ miss if I were to drop it and destroy it in a moment of intense personal tragedy? Well, if the answer is yes, then I try to find another copy of the lens and put it aside for the proverbial rainy day that I hope never comes... And I thought I was the only one weird enough to do this 8) John
Re: PESO - Early Morning revisited
frank theriault wrote: On Mar 31, 2005 11:07 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on suggestions from Shel and Mark, here is version 2. http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1664a.htm Here is the link to the original. http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1664.htm Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. -- Of course, I officially disapprove of such digital trickery, but it does improve an already wonderful shot. vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson I'm having dial-up woes so haven't seen many images for the last couple of days but these loaded for me... If all Bruce did was take out that bright highlight on the left,, it is just like burning in the darkroom... I can't see any other difference between the two and it's an adorable shot... this little girl is gonna have to be watched carefully when she gets a bit older! :) She will be a real heartbreaker, I imagine annsan
Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass.
Hi, I'm not sure you got my point. Design of optics is not necessarily a difficult thing anymore even though all of these companies, Fuji as well as Hasselblad has the ability to do good lenses. My reason for not stating that the hasselblad lenses were Fujinons is that they might be Hasselblad design, some stuff done by Fuji (but not all) because its cheaper than having Hasselbad people locally doing it, same thing with the H1 camera, assembly is most likely local - stated in an interview with Swedish magazine Foto a few years ago. Very few western countries today do production in their home countries do to high costs. However, AL and ED designs are important to make more compact and sometimes sharper optics, of course just the name is not worth anything but with modern computer technology the mix of different lenses with different refraction indexes make it much easier to make better and more compact optics with minimal input in the design. The best and sharpest optics is however a combination of good design and minute exactness. This last point is where the best glass is achieved from e.g. Pentax - also quality control. Cheers, Ronald Ronald Arvidsson wrote: Re: Pentax's sudden infatuation with ED glass. Frantisek Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:59:32 -0700 RA new autofocus H1 series and digital H1D, which are not Carl Zeiss by the RA way but Hasselblad lenses, where probably also designed and assembled by RA Hasselblad even though a lot of manufacturing is done in Japan. AFAIK these are Fujinons, made by Fuji (as is the whole H1 camera, and the X-pan film rangefinder). Which is not a bad thing, both are gorgeous cameras with great lenses (just ask any LF shooter about Fujinons). Today, IMNSHO, ED glass is quite a meaningless term. It doesn't say anything about the good or bad of the lens, nor about its aberrations. It doesn't mean the lens is Apochromatic. It doesn't even hint at it. Same with APO. Also, I have never saw any manufacturer actually disclose what actual index does they mean by e.g. ED designation, and how much extreme it is compared to normal glass. Pentax was always quite conservative in its lens designations, which was good - but today market terms are more important than actual quality, so they must adapt to the market which asks for lens names longer than the lens barrel itself!!! Good light! fra
Taking, Making, Creating Images
The Luminous Landscape has an article by Pete Myers on the value of post-production editing for photographers: What I am suggesting is that the real power of photography in our modern digital age is in using the computer in making an image... I really don't care all that much about what the picture looks like that I took in the field I care about what I can make of the image in postproduction. Certainly that does not excuse me from doing my best in taking a picture in the field, but the point is what happens in the field is not an end all it's a beginning. Any comments on this? Shel
