RE: PESO - Early Morning
just my little joke, Tim. I promise not to have you killed. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 18 December 2006 01:44 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: PESO - Early Morning Death penalty for suggesting more foreground? That's pretty rough IMO. Seriously Bob. Is this just an expression, or have I pissed you off in any way? If I have, I'd prefer to be kill filed, to this injection of yours ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: 17. desember 2006 20:00 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: PESO - Early Morning That's a nice shot, perfectly composed. If anyone says you need more foreground, strap 'em to a gurney and adminster a lethal injection. That'll shut 'em up. Eventually. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 17 December 2006 16:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - Early Morning In Jedi kind of voice: Tim, you wouldn't like more ground in the foreground... Seriously however, without drawing in PS, I cannot provide you any more foreground. There were some undesired objects there that I couldn't easily get rid of in editing. Thus I had to frame on the spot and then crop just a little bit more. On 12/17/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not bad. Pretty good in fact :-) I like the delicate colours, the tones in the back/middle ground, the tree is well placed. I'm not sure about this. But, I wonder if I'd like a bit more ground in the foreground to ground the scene. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 15. desember 2006 18:38 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Early Morning Hi there. http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15925 Wonder what you'd say. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Speaking about PS, Pentax should ...
* make other PS like 750Z IMO (with flash shoe etc) * make W20 with Antishake.. I'd buy that one immediately. Any other idea? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
On 12/18/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/12/06, SJ, discombobulated, unleashed: will keep an eye open for the Chichester book too. is it still in print? I found a copy in a used book shop for a couple of quid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Francis_Chichester thanks cotty, that was one of the first sites i went to after seeing your mail :) i still have a cheap paperback of ringworld bought in the 80s lying around in a carton somewhere. quite liked it though i haven't read any of the sequels. have i missed anything? :) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:26 PM, Cotty wrote: My library is heavily SF, and I buy 30-40 volumes a year these days (used to buy a lot more, but I now own most of the older SF I want). Ahar. I was (am) heavy Larry Niven. I'm still waiting for a Ringworld film :-/ yessuh! Larry Niven, David Brin, Ike Asimov, Iain M Banks, Greg Bear, Anne McCaffrey, Ursula K LeGuin, AE Van Vogt, Kim Stanley Robinson, ACClarke, Ted Sturgeon, Bruce Sterling, Samual R Delaney, William Gibson, Harry Harrison, Commander Bob ... gads, there are just too many to name them all. Met Larry Niven and David Brin during a writers convention at Caltech about 1986 ... both of them are Caltech dropouts. ;-) Currently re-reading KSR's Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars trilogy. Really well done work. Iain M Banks The Algebraist was masterful, as are almost all his books. Ursula's The Wave In The Mind was almost a religious experience. Can't stop reading. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: It's snowing in hell --OT
I think you mean bridle. Let's not bring wives into this. But to answer your question, she taps it out on the carpet with her velveteen hooves. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 17 December 2006 23:38 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT How can it talk wearing that pink leather bit and bridal? Bob W wrote: Does it wear a pink leather saddle and call me Big Boy? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 17 December 2006 18:58 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: It's snowing in hell --OT HDTV is better than SEX! jco -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
Hey, don't lump me in with this mob. I was asleep when the you-know-what, hit the you-know-where. :-) Yesterday, I processed this shot (I like the colours): http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5734.jpg and printed this one. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0492.jpg So I met my daily photographic quota. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the rest of you goofballs have been off arguing some nonsense about television (who freekin' cares?), my usually warm and comfortable hell became a bit cooler because snip What have you done with regard to PHOTOGRAPHY today? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
J. C. O'Connell wrote: How am I wrong in my opinion? Ah! that's a trick question, isn't it? Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Unreflected in 2006
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20061217164535 ^^^ I went to dupicate old session from 2005, but nature never repeats itself. Wind has had blown all 2005 reflections away but I like that I can curve up to 180 degrees into one picture. This right ahead isn't an island although fisheye curvature creates an impression. I'm the one standing on an island wrapped around with two branches of river. -- new photos ever so often... http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
On 12/18/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just seem to be incapable of accepting anyone else's position in a case of nothing but citing preferences. However given a few of your earlier comments I can well appreciate why you need all the TV screen reality that you can get. Fortunately I've got the real thing. LOL Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
:-) Glad to see it. Both good photos. I was just looking at the negatives out of the Pentax 645. Stunningly nice lens on that camera (the A35). Tomorrow and beyond for the long, slow scanning project. G On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:43 AM, David Savage wrote: Hey, don't lump me in with this mob. I was asleep when the you-know-what, hit the you-know-where. :-) Yesterday, I processed this shot (I like the colours): http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5734.jpg and printed this one. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0492.jpg So I met my daily photographic quota. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the rest of you goofballs have been off arguing some nonsense about television (who freekin' cares?), my usually warm and comfortable hell became a bit cooler because snip What have you done with regard to PHOTOGRAPHY today? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Seriously...
On 12/18/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...know one mention the Ashes. Do us a favour mate, keep the Poms there for a bit and train em up. :-) Maybe we should rent out the B team Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
Subash, If you enjoyed that, try (if you haven't already) Chichester's Along the Clipper Way. It's derived from the research he undertook (ie: books he read) while preparing for his circumnavigation. And, of course, the all time classic of circumnavigation books is the original - Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World. When he found he was three miles off his computed position after crossing half the Pacific, Slocum checked the navigation tables and found an error. As a navigator, he was probably on a par with Bowditch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Bowditch John On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:21:55 -, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/18/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/12/06, SJ, discombobulated, unleashed: will keep an eye open for the Chichester book too. is it still in print? I found a copy in a used book shop for a couple of quid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Francis_Chichester thanks cotty, that was one of the first sites i went to after seeing your mail :) i still have a cheap paperback of ringworld bought in the 80s lying around in a carton somewhere. quite liked it though i haven't read any of the sequels. have i missed anything? :) regards, subash -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Television is a real friend, to people with no real friends. John On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:28:58 -, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, 5 hours a day in front of the boob tube is way too much. I think the 2-3 hours average I spend in front of the box is too much. I'd be embarrassed to own up to that. Dave At 11:12 AM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: SOME REAL NUMBERS - I recently installed some run hour meters on my new tube audio gear for maintenance reasons so I know when to test the tubes and when to recalibrate the gear. I had a few extra hour meters left over and decided to put one on my main HDTV for kicks. I installed it on 11/29/06. Its already at 100+ hours and today only makes 19 days. Thats about 5 hrs a day on average, over 1800 hrs a year at that rate. I know it sounds like a lot, even more than I even expected, but the meter is accurate and its been an average viewing month so far for me I would estimate. I think it proves my point about how much use you can get out of these products. Its not like something you use once in a while, it's a day in, day out, lots and lots of hours thingy. Thats the reason why I called these home entertainment bargains. Not only are they way better than ever, you can get a hell of a whole lot of enjoyment out of that purchase. That's for sure. That quality and that quantity of Pleasure is a GOOD thing and its certainly been worth the very reasonable cost to get it for me. jco -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelist ahmosphere?)
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:05:21 -, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When? When everybody who wants a K10D has got one ion their hands? ;-) Not in Merrie England, they haven't. Every week, it is promised for next week. I think it is Pentax's way of punishing the country that produced Phil (this JPEG is soft) Askey. John That wont happen before next Christmas ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 18. desember 2006 04:02 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelist ahmosphere?) I guess I qualify as an old timer, I don't remember doing anything, it just blows over... eventually. Tim Øsleby wrote: I've been thinking. I really dislike the free spirit of the list being polluted. What is going on is more than the regular friendly spirited flames. I assume this has happened before. So I'm asking the old timers. What did you do to get the list back on track again? And please folks, don't give me this it is all NN's fault again, that is childish and unconstructive. Please excuse my plain tone. Some times I believe in being strait forward. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Cassino Sent: 18. desember 2006 01:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... Hear! Hear! Tim. (That's 19th century English for Yeah, right on!) For crying out loud - typing in an obscenity or even just a boorish remark doesn't do anything. If you think a single person is idiotic, well, let them be. Responding to their idiocy just brings in more grief. This post is probably pointless, but as someone who came back into the PDML after being away for a while, I was surprised at how mean spirited it has become. I'll date myself but I'm thinking of a song from a while back - There ain't no good guys, There ain't no bad guys, There's just you and me And we just disagee. I probably got the quote wrong. I get most things wrong. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't care who tapped who when or what the score is - let's just give this crap a break and agree to be civil, and make this list something worth reading. - MCC Tim Øsleby wrote: Bill and John. Now you are both doing it again, in a thread where the OP was about exact this phenomenon. My instinct reaction is being angry at you both. But I'll try to behave myself. Can't the two of you have a PDML duel somewhere in the desert, like real men, instead of this constant bitching ;-) Seriously: Can't you simply ignore each other? How about mutual kill filing? Am I asking to much? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Enablement - lens advice
I'd recommend: - FA 50mm f1.4 (Not a telephoto but a great lens to have IMHO) - FA 77mm Ltd. f1.8 (It'd eat up most of your budget, but it's sweet) I can't recommend much more because all the stuff I can think of is very spendy. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should hopefully have a little money to spend on lenses and a flash soon. I currently have the Pentax 18-55 kit lens, Sigma 70-210 f4.5-5.6 zoom (cheap and a little nasty), Sigma 50mm f2.8 manual focus macro and Vivitar 400mm f5.6 (cheap, nasty and soft). What I'd like is a decent telephoto aound the 400-500mm range, either a good zoom in the moderate telephoto range or a couple of good primes to cover the moderate telephoto range and a decent super wide rectilinear zoom. My budget (after purchasing an AF540 FGZ flash) will likely be approx AUD1300. I would prefer to stick with Pentax lenses, but good, sharp third party lenses would be okay (Sigma 10-20 for example). Can the Pentax lens gurus out there please give me some suggestions as to which lenses I should be looking for on Ebay, etc that would suit my needs in terms of focal length, provide good image quality and (hopefully) be affordable. Many thanks in advance! James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:12 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: That quality and that quantity of Pleasure is a GOOD thing and its certainly been worth the very reasonable cost to get it for me. Your definition of pleasure differs slightly from mine. I think I watch about three hours of TV a week and most of that is repeats. If it wasn't for my stash of British comedy DVDs I'd just about sell the television. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with the listahmosphere?)
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:50:31 -, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally agree. But there is always somebody responding, keeping the flames alive. Some times that somebody is me, some times it is you, and so on. Therein lies the problem. Discipline is required. John Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 18. desember 2006 03:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with the listahmosphere?) Ignore it, and it goes away. Answer the posts, and it continues. Very simple. Paul On Dec 17, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I've been thinking. I really dislike the free spirit of the list being polluted. What is going on is more than the regular friendly spirited flames. I assume this has happened before. So I'm asking the old timers. What did you do to get the list back on track again? And please folks, don't give me this it is all NN's fault again, that is childish and unconstructive. Please excuse my plain tone. Some times I believe in being strait forward. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Cassino Sent: 18. desember 2006 01:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... Hear! Hear! Tim. (That's 19th century English for Yeah, right on!) For crying out loud - typing in an obscenity or even just a boorish remark doesn't do anything. If you think a single person is idiotic, well, let them be. Responding to their idiocy just brings in more grief. This post is probably pointless, but as someone who came back into the PDML after being away for a while, I was surprised at how mean spirited it has become. I'll date myself but I'm thinking of a song from a while back - There ain't no good guys, There ain't no bad guys, There's just you and me And we just disagee. I probably got the quote wrong. I get most things wrong. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't care who tapped who when or what the score is - let's just give this crap a break and agree to be civil, and make this list something worth reading. - MCC Tim Øsleby wrote: Bill and John. Now you are both doing it again, in a thread where the OP was about exact this phenomenon. My instinct reaction is being angry at you both. But I'll try to behave myself. Can't the two of you have a PDML duel somewhere in the desert, like real men, instead of this constant bitching ;-) Seriously: Can't you simply ignore each other? How about mutual kill filing? Am I asking to much? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
Congrats! Very good price/performance. G graywolf wrote: Graywolf got a new pet, a television. There it was sitting in the thrift store looking all sad and abandoned, so he paid $15 + tax to spring it. It sulked at first shutting itself off after less than an hour, and graywolf thought he was going to have to turn it out on the streets. But a thorough cleaning, wasn't filthy but 25 years of dust on its circuit boards mostly came off and a night to get used to its new home, and it seems to be working nicely. Like any new pet graywolf is going to have to buy it some things, a remote, and a longer cable as the one he has is not long enough to tether it to the splitter and he has to change back and forth between it and the modem in the mean time. And later a VCR so graywolf can watch movies from the local public library. Maybe an upgrade in cable service. This could be a very expensive pet. OH? The breed? Magnavox 27in stereo console. By its tag it was born early in 1983 and cost $539.97 ($849.95 list). Does that make it an antique, or just an old TV? One would think the thing would take up a lot of space, but actually instead of taking up space it provides a table to place things like the DVD player and the Epson printer on. Anyway as the subject line implies graywolf buying a TV is a very rare occurrence, it has only happened twice in 63 years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Godfrey, if you can try and catch up with a series called 'Coast' and 'Planet Earth' on BBC World at some point. Coast follows the British mainland coast and is simply unmissable. Planet Earth is Attenborough's latest outing and contains some unique footage and all of it is jaw- dropping. Absolutely, the best things on the box. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelist ahmosphere?)
On 18/12/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every week, it is promised for next week. I think it is Pentax's way of punishing the country that produced Phil (this JPEG is soft) Askey. Yes, highly recommended (just).. LOL -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
thanks, john, for the suggestions and the link. time to go bookshopping :) i am sure it'd be a much cheaper affair after the splurge on K and A lenses. the problem (fun part?) is i'll have to trawl the second-hand book shops. most of the 'mainstream' book shops have become 'lifestyle' shops and tend to stock mostly the bestsellers and books from the big publishers besides having a host of other things that have nothing to do with books. regards, subash On 12/18/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subash, If you enjoyed that, try (if you haven't already) Chichester's Along the Clipper Way. It's derived from the research he undertook (ie: books he read) while preparing for his circumnavigation. And, of course, the all time classic of circumnavigation books is the original - Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World. When he found he was three miles off his computed position after crossing half the Pacific, Slocum checked the navigation tables and found an error. As a navigator, he was probably on a par with Bowditch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Bowditch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelistahmosphere?)
Hi Tim It is a very good solution to just let it be. It needs at least two for games like this. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Osleby Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:48 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelistahmosphere?) Not my style. My nature is to deal with problems, find solutions to them. The problem is that the bullshit seems to be a perpetum mobile. But probably good advice anyway ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Time for a break ... (Time to do something withthe listahmosphere?)
Hi Graywolf do you need a DSLR now for a PESO/PUG entry or for commenting on them? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of graywolf Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something withthe listahmosphere?) But nobody forces us read that thread! I don't know, I have been here awhile, but it seems worse than ever before to me. Of course there is no way I can afford a DSLR, so that is not too interesting to me. Mostly, I no longer feel I have much to contribute to the list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with thelist ahmosphere?)
Not in Merrie England, they haven't. Every week, it is promised for next week. I think it is Pentax's way of punishing the country that produced Phil (this JPEG is soft) Askey. Promised for the 11th December, still waiting, although I believe there are some in the country, but it could just be a rumour. I'm glad I got the *ist D s/h when I did. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Long exposure noise
Take a look at the sky in this pic. (it's a processed PIF, so you can open it in photoshop if you want to see the exif info) http://www.neovenator.com/special/__IGP0101.jpg I was doing some city shots of San Francisco from Treasure Island last night with my K10D. Lens was M* 300mm f4. ISO was 200, aperture was f8, exposure was ten seconds. The streaky noise in the sky in that shot will almost definitely be visible in a print. This worries me, because I was planning on recreating my San Francisco panorama from a couple years ago. I shot that thing with 20 second exposures but didn't get noise like this. Aside from wondering if perhaps something is wrong with the sensor (this is me jumping to conclusions, which I desperately try not to do), I'm wondering if perhaps shooting at a higher ISO and shorter exposure would produce better results. Any thoughts? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Enablement - lens advice
Hi James could you post a photo or two of the Vivitar at 400mm? I would be interested to see how good it is compared to my Tamron SP 500 mirror lens. What is a nasty lens, bad looking? thanks Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J and K Messervy Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:04 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Enablement - lens advice I should hopefully have a little money to spend on lenses and a flash soon. I currently have the Pentax 18-55 kit lens, Sigma 70-210 f4.5-5.6 zoom (cheap and a little nasty), Sigma 50mm f2.8 manual focus macro and Vivitar 400mm f5.6 (cheap, nasty and soft). What I'd like is a decent telephoto aound the 400-500mm range, either a good zoom in the moderate telephoto range or a couple of good primes to cover the moderate telephoto range and a decent super wide rectilinear zoom. My budget (after purchasing an AF540 FGZ flash) will likely be approx AUD1300. I would prefer to stick with Pentax lenses, but good, sharp third party lenses would be okay (Sigma 10-20 for example). Can the Pentax lens gurus out there please give me some suggestions as to which lenses I should be looking for on Ebay, etc that would suit my needs in terms of focal length, provide good image quality and (hopefully) be affordable. Many thanks in advance! James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Long exposure noise
On 18/12/06, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the sky in this pic. (it's a processed PIF, so you can open it in photoshop if you want to see the exif info) http://www.neovenator.com/special/__IGP0101.jpg I was doing some city shots of San Francisco from Treasure Island last night with my K10D. Lens was M* 300mm f4. ISO was 200, aperture was f8, exposure was ten seconds. The streaky noise in the sky in that shot will almost definitely be visible in a print. This worries me, because I was planning on recreating my San Francisco panorama from a couple years ago. I shot that thing with 20 second exposures but didn't get noise like this. If the other examples I've seen are any indication you're not on your own. Did you have to push the RAW file about to get what you wanted? If so you might be best off trying some form of HDR using multiple exposures in order to preserve the highlights whilst making a more dense exposure of the sky? Aside from wondering if perhaps something is wrong with the sensor (this is me jumping to conclusions, which I desperately try not to do), I'm wondering if perhaps shooting at a higher ISO and shorter exposure would produce better results. I expect that if you want to capture the image in one hit you'll be lumbered with noise in the shadows. This little problem could end up being Pentax's worst nightmare. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (LOL) Any opinions on the Pentax Optio W20
Is one of the few Pentax PS recommended by my loved/hated French magazine that is not particularly fond at Pentax so...it must be a really good camera for its purpose. - Mensaje original De: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: lunes, 18 de diciembre, 2006 3:05:39 Asunto: OT (LOL) Any opinions on the Pentax Optio W20 Hi Team, Has anyone owned/used/tested/chewed the Pentax Optio W20, if so is there anything that stands out about it good or bad? Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: mighty chilly in hell today
Hi Godfrey there is seldom a day without taking some photographs or scanning old ones or teching myself some photo related stuff on the computer or by reading books for me. And most of the time I carry at least one camera with me nowadays. Yesterday I tried my cream can flash diffuser with some close-up of plants and made some night shots too. Today I scan some old photos of my ship travels again with a slightly better scanner ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: mighty chilly in hell today It's so good to hear that at least some folks on this list are doing/ thinking about photography. On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I went to the Arlington National Cemetery, took some pictures, sat for a while at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, bought a presentation folder for my aunt from the Women's Memorial (they do printouts, including Service photograph, of database entries for any woman who has served in the military - she was in the WAVES in WWII.) Then went to the National Zoo, more photography. And more walking! My legs are complaining after yesterday's DCPDML saunter along Billy Goat Trail. Ah, wonderful stuff. Back to my hotel room, worked on this whole workflow thing. I had evolved a reasonable routine with the *ist-D involving PSE 3.0 and iView Media Pro. The switch to DNG rather than PEF, and PSE 4.0 instead of 3.0, has totally thrown me off. I downloaded RAW Developer (trial) to see if that was the answer. It might be, but more learning to do... If I can find a site where I have room to post and remember the addrss and my password, I'll post a few shots later. Hmm. Why not just continue with what you were using? iView Media Pro and PSE4+Camera Raw 3.6 does fine with DNG files. Convert PEFs from the cameras before K10D to DNG, write DNGs directly from the K10D. Another fine solution is Lightroom. I've been working with it again today. The more I work with it, the more I like it. There are still some things I haven't figured out ... I get better prints out of PSCS2, for instance ... but for many things it is proving to be very good. Both the last two PAW shots were processed in Lightroom. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Unreflected in 2006
A lovely place to be Roman. Wide lenses are fun. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roman Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:41 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Unreflected in 2006 http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20061217164535 ^^^ I went to dupicate old session from 2005, but nature never repeats itself. Wind has had blown all 2005 reflections away but I like that I can curve up to 180 degrees into one picture. This right ahead isn't an island although fisheye curvature creates an impression. I'm the one standing on an island wrapped around with two branches of river. -- new photos ever so often... http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: mighty chilly in hell today
Hi Paul does Grace still like to be photographed? Does she start to pose when you photograph her or does she ignore you and making natural photographs is easy? And, is she interested in the results and how a camera works? Aren't there times when she dislikes it? just wondering Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:22 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: mighty chilly in hell today I worked with the TAv mode as well. Shot a few pics of Grace around the house. I think I like it for some things. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: mighty chilly in hell today
Very nice photos Dave. The cat seems to like you ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: mighty chilly in hell today Hey, don't lump me in with this mob. I was asleep when the you-know-what, hit the you-know-where. :-) Yesterday, I processed this shot (I like the colours): http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5734.jpg and printed this one. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0492.jpg So I met my daily photographic quota. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the rest of you goofballs have been off arguing some nonsense about television (who freekin' cares?), my usually warm and comfortable hell became a bit cooler because snip What have you done with regard to PHOTOGRAPHY today? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Transcend Card Failure
I understand what Godfrey is saying, but I think I'd rather not take a chance on more Transcend cards. Paul On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Lawrence Kwan wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Jeez, guys. There are defectives from any manufacturer. One bad card doesn't mean Transcend cards are crap. I came across this message at dpreview. I have no idea as to the credibility of the poster, you'd have to judge for yourself: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20904155 michael: I sold Transcend products for years (on a flash memory web site). I can tell you that I had more defective and returned units than from Transcend than from all my other manufacturer's COMBINED. I carried Lexar, SanDisk, Ridata (Ritek), SimpleTech and others. I finally stopped selling their products. I am not saying that all their products are bad, I just know what I experienced. -- --Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence -- --Tungsten T3 Enhanced DIA KeyboardNokia Ringtone Convertor-- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
I watch Planet Earth. It's broadcast in HD on the Discovery Channel. Beautiful. I frequently turn the sound off and accompany it with music from a CD. Paul On Dec 18, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I have the noise box on most mornings for about an hour to catch the latest gaa on the news. I hardly watch it otherwise, but I do turn it on to see movies from my DVD and LD collection. Probably about an hour or two a month of broadcast/cable television. Godfrey, if you can try and catch up with a series called 'Coast' and 'Planet Earth' on BBC World at some point. Coast follows the British mainland coast and is simply unmissable. Planet Earth is Attenborough's latest outing and contains some unique footage and all of it is jaw-dropping. HTH -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:35:24 -0500, Walter Hamler wrote: BTW, have you, or any others with the K10, changed the defaults on the front and rear dials? I changed mine to +/- control on the front dial and the shift mode on the rear one. I have the same, but reversed (+/-) on rear dial, seems to match my style better (comming from the istD). I like simple program shift better that 'Hyper Program' and it gives me the benefit of having compensation directly available on a wheel, without having to use the button which is a bit akward to use for me (using left eye for viewfinder :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
Hi Godders, On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:58:44 -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've set the K10D set up, in each mode, to have EV Comp on the front wheel and the primary control (Pshift in Program, ISO in Sv, Shutter in Tv, Aperture in Av) on the rear wheel. This makes it the most like the DS body to control and gives me access to EV comp without having to hold down a button. I did almost the same, but with wheels reversed ... (matches my istD better, or my style :-) Haven't used flash with it at all yet. Used it once or twice, it does work nicely ... On someone else's suggestion, I have it set for minimum size JPEGs, RAW mode DNG, RAW button on Continue, and output on RAW+JPEG. That was probably me. But you need to set the output to RAW not RAW+JPEG otherwise you will start out with generating JPG's right from switching on the camera. This way I'm normally shooting RAW only without JPEGs at all, but when I feel like it I can press one button and have small size JPEGs directly from the camera. Hmm, yes,if you change output to RAW to start with ... The RAW button then simply toggles between the two states as can be seen easily from the top-LCD display where output toggles between RAW to RAW+ indicators (and the available shots changes slightly too) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Time for a break ... (Time to do something withthe listahmosphere?)
Tom. Your story about your new telly amused me. Congratulations BTW. Telly makes the world go round ;-) So you do contribute to the list. I hang her to learn about photography, but I also hang here for the joy of the ride. And this joy is in telly buying stories like yours, pictures of Shel's old shoes, Godders car, and Ann's scrabble tournaments. It is about life. What am I trying to say? I'm not sure, but I believe it is something like this: Not having a DSRL is no excuse to stay away from the list. Once you have subscribed there is no going back ;-) Yes Tom. For many Christmas is a tough time. And before Christmas we tend to run in circles buying gifts, some making gifts, baking, and buying food. All in the name of Christmas spirit. When it finally arrives we are exhausted. On top of exhaustion, all the family events, and all the expectations. For many it ends in disappointments. Here comes the Christmas blues. Money is what makes this go round. And those who do not have much money feel inferior. That's a shame. I'm afraid it just the same here. Because of the blessings from the oil most Norwegians are rich in money, but poor in their souls. Personally I'm not very rich in money, and I don't know about my soul ;-) Anyway. What I enjoy at PDML is much about photography. But it is also a lot about the list life. Meeting people. Virtual meetings like you and I talking to each other now, and meeting people in person. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 18. desember 2006 04:33 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something withthe listahmosphere?) But nobody forces us read that thread! I don't know, I have been here awhile, but it seems worse than ever before to me. Of course there is no way I can afford a DSLR, so that is not too interesting to me. Mostly, I no longer feel I have much to contribute to the list. And then it is the holidays. Many folks have real problems with the fact life is not like you are supposed to pretend it is right now. Also, the commercialism over here is enough to drive one crazy. Be merry and spend, spend, spend! Is it like that over there? Tim Øsleby wrote: I totally agree. But there is always somebody responding, keeping the flames alive. Some times that somebody is me, some times it is you, and so on. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 18. desember 2006 03:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something with the listahmosphere?) Ignore it, and it goes away. Answer the posts, and it continues. Very simple. Paul On Dec 17, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I've been thinking. I really dislike the free spirit of the list being polluted. What is going on is more than the regular friendly spirited flames. I assume this has happened before. So I'm asking the old timers. What did you do to get the list back on track again? And please folks, don't give me this it is all NN's fault again, that is childish and unconstructive. Please excuse my plain tone. Some times I believe in being strait forward. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Cassino Sent: 18. desember 2006 01:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Time for a break ... Hear! Hear! Tim. (That's 19th century English for Yeah, right on!) For crying out loud - typing in an obscenity or even just a boorish remark doesn't do anything. If you think a single person is idiotic, well, let them be. Responding to their idiocy just brings in more grief. This post is probably pointless, but as someone who came back into the PDML after being away for a while, I was surprised at how mean spirited it has become. I'll date myself but I'm thinking of a song from a while back - There ain't no good guys, There ain't no bad guys, There's just you and me And we just disagee. I probably got the quote wrong. I get most things wrong. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't care who tapped who when or what the score is - let's just give this crap a break and agree to be civil, and make this list something worth reading. - MCC Tim Øsleby wrote: Bill and John. Now you are both doing it again, in a thread where the OP was about exact this phenomenon. My instinct reaction is being angry at you both. But I'll try to behave myself. Can't the two of you have a PDML duel somewhere in the desert, like real men, instead of this constant bitching ;-) Seriously: Can't you simply ignore each other? How about mutual kill filing? Am I asking to much? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
G'day Markus, Thanks. It was quite a warm day she was laying down resting, and couldn't be bothered running away like she normally does when I get that close. :-) It's taken close to 5 years, for her to warm to me :-) Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice photos Dave. The cat seems to like you ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: mighty chilly in hell today Hey, don't lump me in with this mob. I was asleep when the you-know-what, hit the you-know-where. :-) Yesterday, I processed this shot (I like the colours): http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5734.jpg and printed this one. http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP0492.jpg So I met my daily photographic quota. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Seriously...
On 12/18/06, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and india, to quote cricinfo, are 'sniffing victory' in South Africa. updates later in the day. :) would be nice to see them win for a change... And they did. Congratulations. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Time for a break ... (Time to do something withthe listahmosphere?)
Hi there. Tom. Your story about your new telly amused me. Congratulations BTW. Telly makes the world go round ;-) So you do contribute to the list. I hang her to learn about photography, but I also hang here for the joy of the ride. And this joy is in telly buying stories like yours, pictures of Shel's old shoes, Godders car, and Ann's scrabble tournaments. It is about life. What am I trying to say? I'm not sure, but I believe it is something like this: Not having a DSRL is no excuse to stay away from the list. Once you have subscribed there is no going back ;-) Yes Tom. For many Christmas is a tough time. And before Christmas we tend to run in circles buying gifts, some making gifts, baking, and buying food. All in the name of Christmas spirit. When it finally arrives we are exhausted. On top of exhaustion, all the family events, and all the expectations. For many it ends in disappointments. Here comes the Christmas blues. Money is what makes this go round. And those who do not have much money feel inferior. That's a shame. I'm afraid it just the same here. Because of the blessings from the oil most Norwegians are rich in money, but poor in their souls. Personally I'm not very rich in money, and I don't know about my soul ;-) Anyway. What I enjoy at PDML is much about photography. But it is also a lot about the list life. Meeting people. Virtual meetings like you and I talking to each other now, and meeting people in person. Tim's right. I feel more or less the same except of course that Tim and I are different people so that different things amuse and frustrate me, but nonetheless, PDML is very enjoyable community. I do admit that some threads are finding their way to deletion fairy every now and then, but this does not make it any worse. It is just my own quirks. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Long exposure noise
Maybe as with the D one has to deactivate noise reduction for long exposures ? 2006/12/18, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Take a look at the sky in this pic. (it's a processed PIF, so you can open it in photoshop if you want to see the exif info) http://www.neovenator.com/special/__IGP0101.jpg I was doing some city shots of San Francisco from Treasure Island last night with my K10D. Lens was M* 300mm f4. ISO was 200, aperture was f8, exposure was ten seconds. The streaky noise in the sky in that shot will almost definitely be visible in a print. This worries me, because I was planning on recreating my San Francisco panorama from a couple years ago. I shot that thing with 20 second exposures but didn't get noise like this. Aside from wondering if perhaps something is wrong with the sensor (this is me jumping to conclusions, which I desperately try not to do), I'm wondering if perhaps shooting at a higher ISO and shorter exposure would produce better results. Any thoughts? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Banding Issue - Suggestions
Ok it looks like most of us with K10Ds have at some point or another experienced some issues with banding.. Barring a fix from pentax may i suggest that we all share our expereinces so that the issue is better understood and we also find the best ways to avoid the issue. I have hit the issue when shooting a building facade (brightly lit) against a dark blue sky at dusk.. The building was exposed perfectly with no banding but the sky had noticable banding. What i'm suggesting is that we build a body of knowledge on the issue and how best to manage it pending a Pentax fix. -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok it looks like most of us with K10Ds have at some point or another experienced some issues with banding.. Barring a fix from pentax may i suggest that we all share our expereinces so that the issue is better understood and we also find the best ways to avoid the issue. I have hit the issue when shooting a building facade (brightly lit) against a dark blue sky at dusk.. The building was exposed perfectly with no banding but the sky had noticable banding. What i'm suggesting is that we build a body of knowledge on the issue and how best to manage it pending a Pentax fix. -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Seriously...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:01:38 +0900 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/18/06, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and india, to quote cricinfo, are 'sniffing victory' in South Africa. updates later in the day. :) would be nice to see them win for a change... And they did. Congratulations. Cheers, Oh yes, they did, and in three and a half days too. a pity prince had to go at 97 but i have a feeling i can live with that :)) first ever test victory in SA too... thanks and cheers indeed... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
Markus, You might be interested to know I tried some bubble wrap as a flash diffuser. I saw them doing it on the site you pointed to. I used the 'small bubble' wrap, and still have some problems to work out, but it sure is convenient. It's a big square of bubble wrap and a rubber band that looks like I'm covering the flash with bubbles for travel. Regards, Bob S, On 12/18/06, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Godfrey there is seldom a day without taking some photographs or scanning old ones or teching myself some photo related stuff on the computer or by reading books for me. And most of the time I carry at least one camera with me nowadays. Yesterday I tried my cream can flash diffuser with some close-up of plants and made some night shots too. Today I scan some old photos of my ship travels again with a slightly better scanner ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: mighty chilly in hell today It's so good to hear that at least some folks on this list are doing/ thinking about photography. On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I went to the Arlington National Cemetery, took some pictures, sat for a while at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, bought a presentation folder for my aunt from the Women's Memorial (they do printouts, including Service photograph, of database entries for any woman who has served in the military - she was in the WAVES in WWII.) Then went to the National Zoo, more photography. And more walking! My legs are complaining after yesterday's DCPDML saunter along Billy Goat Trail. Ah, wonderful stuff. Back to my hotel room, worked on this whole workflow thing. I had evolved a reasonable routine with the *ist-D involving PSE 3.0 and iView Media Pro. The switch to DNG rather than PEF, and PSE 4.0 instead of 3.0, has totally thrown me off. I downloaded RAW Developer (trial) to see if that was the answer. It might be, but more learning to do... If I can find a site where I have room to post and remember the addrss and my password, I'll post a few shots later. Hmm. Why not just continue with what you were using? iView Media Pro and PSE4+Camera Raw 3.6 does fine with DNG files. Convert PEFs from the cameras before K10D to DNG, write DNGs directly from the K10D. Another fine solution is Lightroom. I've been working with it again today. The more I work with it, the more I like it. There are still some things I haven't figured out ... I get better prints out of PSCS2, for instance ... but for many things it is proving to be very good. Both the last two PAW shots were processed in Lightroom. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
On my *istD if I have to severely push an image in ACR (2+ stops) banding appears. I just don't bother with that. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok it looks like most of us with K10Ds have at some point or another experienced some issues with banding.. Barring a fix from pentax may i suggest that we all share our expereinces so that the issue is better understood and we also find the best ways to avoid the issue. I have hit the issue when shooting a building facade (brightly lit) against a dark blue sky at dusk.. The building was exposed perfectly with no banding but the sky had noticable banding. What i'm suggesting is that we build a body of knowledge on the issue and how best to manage it pending a Pentax fix. -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
The only time I've been able to see it was when I shot the inside of the lens cap with an eight second exposure at ISO 1600. I did some outdoor night photography with no problems, but I used a tripod and shot at ISO 100. I expect the next firmware update will provide some improvement, but it may not be fully correctible. The best solution may be a tripod and low sensitivity ISO. Paul -- Original message -- From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok it looks like most of us with K10Ds have at some point or another experienced some issues with banding.. Barring a fix from pentax may i suggest that we all share our expereinces so that the issue is better understood and we also find the best ways to avoid the issue. I have hit the issue when shooting a building facade (brightly lit) against a dark blue sky at dusk.. The building was exposed perfectly with no banding but the sky had noticable banding. What i'm suggesting is that we build a body of knowledge on the issue and how best to manage it pending a Pentax fix. -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
No, HDTV/Home theater is embarrsing to people with no taste or culture whatsoever.Home theater isnt about friendship, its about entertainment. None of my friends are professional entertainers. The whole mentality that there is something wrong with using home theater or that its somehow a substitute for real life for people with no life is completely absurd as you are trying to imply here. Not having a good home theater is no life. No art, no life. Any photographer should know that. I love music too, but I dont have 90 friends who play in an orchestra either. Are you saying I listen to classical music to make 90 new freinds or to simply hear the music? This is crazy. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Forbes Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:08 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers Television is a real friend, to people with no real friends. John On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:28:58 -, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, 5 hours a day in front of the boob tube is way too much. I think the 2-3 hours average I spend in front of the box is too much. I'd be embarrassed to own up to that. Dave At 11:12 AM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: SOME REAL NUMBERS - I recently installed some run hour meters on my new tube audio gear for maintenance reasons so I know when to test the tubes and when to recalibrate the gear. I had a few extra hour meters left over and decided to put one on my main HDTV for kicks. I installed it on 11/29/06. Its already at 100+ hours and today only makes 19 days. Thats about 5 hrs a day on average, over 1800 hrs a year at that rate. I know it sounds like a lot, even more than I even expected, but the meter is accurate and its been an average viewing month so far for me I would estimate. I think it proves my point about how much use you can get out of these products. Its not like something you use once in a while, it's a day in, day out, lots and lots of hours thingy. Thats the reason why I called these home entertainment bargains. Not only are they way better than ever, you can get a hell of a whole lot of enjoyment out of that purchase. That's for sure. That quality and that quantity of Pleasure is a GOOD thing and its certainly been worth the very reasonable cost to get it for me. jco -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG
One enablement at a time Boris. And you would have to set some money aside for film with a 645. Regards, Bob S. On 12/17/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Thanks Boris! I'm liking this camera too much. It's going to mean money for me... :-\ It just occurred to me that good 645N (with AF) outfit on eBay would cost me *less* than buying K10D brand new in Israel. The lenses seem to be going cheap too. Well, anyway, the best thing about 645NII (with AF and MLU) that Jostein has is that when you take it to your arms all you feel is like shooting shooting shooting, and the camera or any of its controls or anything really is in the way. You just shoot. Wonderful time it was back in 2004 ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
That's my point. Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my *istD if I have to severely push an image in ACR (2+ stops) banding appears. I just don't bother with that. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Long exposure noise
John, Interesting situation. I will try to repeat your experiment this afternoon. Did you use the built-in NR? When you say processed PIF, do you mean you shot raw (as PEF), and developed it with Photo LAB? Did you do any further post-processing, eg. contrast enhancement? Jostein On 12/18/06, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the sky in this pic. (it's a processed PIF, so you can open it in photoshop if you want to see the exif info) http://www.neovenator.com/special/__IGP0101.jpg I was doing some city shots of San Francisco from Treasure Island last night with my K10D. Lens was M* 300mm f4. ISO was 200, aperture was f8, exposure was ten seconds. The streaky noise in the sky in that shot will almost definitely be visible in a print. This worries me, because I was planning on recreating my San Francisco panorama from a couple years ago. I shot that thing with 20 second exposures but didn't get noise like this. Aside from wondering if perhaps something is wrong with the sensor (this is me jumping to conclusions, which I desperately try not to do), I'm wondering if perhaps shooting at a higher ISO and shorter exposure would produce better results. Any thoughts? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave At 10:14 PM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
HAR! I did send him an e-mail asking him to lay off Tom in regard to the television. Of course he had to get the last word in. I decided to see if I could outlast him. The man needs help. Paul -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Have you upgraded to HD? I agree that the old ntsc is no where near as pleasurable as HD. I was just like you too until I upgraded. I lost interest in film broadcasts in the late 80's when laserdiscs went to original aspect ratio and hbo didnt. But now I have multiple movie channels all showing widescreen and some even in 2.35:1 aspect, I am back into film broadcasts more than ever. Dont judge television only by what you currently have in terms of playback and services. Its gotten way way better in ways you probably least expected. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:10 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:12 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: That quality and that quantity of Pleasure is a GOOD thing and its certainly been worth the very reasonable cost to get it for me. Your definition of pleasure differs slightly from mine. I think I watch about three hours of TV a week and most of that is repeats. If it wasn't for my stash of British comedy DVDs I'd just about sell the television. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG
Bob, bite your tongue. Boris, get both. I'm sure you could do great things with both cameras. Dave On 12/18/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One enablement at a time Boris. And you would have to set some money aside for film with a 645. Regards, Bob S. On 12/17/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Thanks Boris! I'm liking this camera too much. It's going to mean money for me... :-\ It just occurred to me that good 645N (with AF) outfit on eBay would cost me *less* than buying K10D brand new in Israel. The lenses seem to be going cheap too. Well, anyway, the best thing about 645NII (with AF and MLU) that Jostein has is that when you take it to your arms all you feel is like shooting shooting shooting, and the camera or any of its controls or anything really is in the way. You just shoot. Wonderful time it was back in 2004 ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
I'll post some test shots with a description on shooting conditions. Maybe we can discuss them. Regards Patrick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
LOL And to think a few weeks ago you were asking Bill to stop baiting him. Though you are correct, he's not quite right needs some sort of help. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAR! I did send him an e-mail asking him to lay off Tom in regard to the television. Of course he had to get the last word in. I decided to see if I could outlast him. The man needs help. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
And Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade is the epitome of cultured viewing? Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, HDTV/Home theater is embarrsing to people with no taste or culture whatsoever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. It would be a good netiquette to keep private emails private. Thx, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: MX flick
LOL I'd like to be there to see their faces ;) 2006/12/18, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd never tried it before. I always have film in my camera. I finished a roll Saturday morning at my daughter's birthday breakfast party. I decided to try it. It worked! I can now do the mirror lock-up flick fairly consistently. I was pretty excited at my success. Nobody else understood. I tried to explain. They didn't get it. Oh well. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Have you seen it? Its only one of many many genres I enjoy and in glorius HD. And belive it or not, it was shot on location somewhere and the beautiful scenery was almost as nice to watch and enjoy as the ladies were. Really fantastic picture quality on that one... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:37 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers And Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade is the epitome of cultured viewing? Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, HDTV/Home theater is embarrsing to people with no taste or culture whatsoever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Speaking about PS, Pentax should ...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:02:35 +0100, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * make other PS like 750Z IMO (with flash shoe etc) * make W20 with Antishake.. I'd buy that one immediately. Any other idea? * Optio limited, with a high-end 40mm (eq) lens? * Basic digicam for left-handers? I know _my_ CAD system has a mirror function, so it's two seconds work for 10% market share ;-) All in all, Pentax is innovative enough in the PS market (MX4, T series), but they seem to miss the jackpot... -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Dave's another, who lives in a PAL broadcast region. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you upgraded to HD? I agree that the old ntsc is no where near as pleasurable as HD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: MX flick
If they're anything like my family friends their eye's glazed over, and gave him a crazy photo geek look. :-) Dave On 12/18/06, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL I'd like to be there to see their faces ;) 2006/12/18, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd never tried it before. I always have film in my camera. I finished a roll Saturday morning at my daughter's birthday breakfast party. I decided to try it. It worked! I can now do the mirror lock-up flick fairly consistently. I was pretty excited at my success. Nobody else understood. I tried to explain. They didn't get it. Oh well. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
Nope. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you seen it? Its only one of many many genres I enjoy and in glorius HD. And belive it or not, it was shot on location somewhere and the beautiful scenery was almost as nice to watch and enjoy as the ladies were. Really fantastic picture quality on that one... jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
MX flick
I'd never tried it before. I always have film in my camera. I finished a roll Saturday morning at my daughter's birthday breakfast party. I decided to try it. It worked! I can now do the mirror lock-up flick fairly consistently. I was pretty excited at my success. Nobody else understood. I tried to explain. They didn't get it. Oh well. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
Indeed, Dave, in all other situations my *istD gives perfectly good pictures, sans of course the capable hands of the photographer who's holding it ;-). On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my point. Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my *istD if I have to severely push an image in ACR (2+ stops) banding appears. I just don't bother with that. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:56:43 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip b) I could find the dark tent and processing equipment. Dark tent. Is that what I think it is? Googling revealed mainly glow-in-the-dark tent pegs (to freak out moles, no doubt) and ancient photography equipment... snip What have you done with regard to PHOTOGRAPHY today? I had a roll of Superia developed. Will scan tonight, and post some images, if anything worked out, and anyone is interested in mushrooms... -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave At 10:14 PM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG
Well, no, I am not getting MF gear. It is just too big for my habits. I am still not sure I will be getting K10D... Honestly, if you ask me, I'd much rather go digital Leica road. Even that quirky Epson camera that requires some mechanical action to go to the next shot attracts me. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, bite your tongue. Boris, get both. I'm sure you could do great things with both cameras. Dave On 12/18/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One enablement at a time Boris. And you would have to set some money aside for film with a 645. Regards, Bob S. On 12/17/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Thanks Boris! I'm liking this camera too much. It's going to mean money for me... :-\ It just occurred to me that good 645N (with AF) outfit on eBay would cost me *less* than buying K10D brand new in Israel. The lenses seem to be going cheap too. Well, anyway, the best thing about 645NII (with AF and MLU) that Jostein has is that when you take it to your arms all you feel is like shooting shooting shooting, and the camera or any of its controls or anything really is in the way. You just shoot. Wonderful time it was back in 2004 ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys
Scott Loveless wrote: Whomever laid out the trail at the CO canal decided that it meant painting blue blazes on the tops of very pointy rocks. Ahhh, yes, the Billy Goat Trail as we affectionately refer to it :-) Sounds like you guys had a great time... Sorry I missed it! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters J.C. you're clearly over-reacting. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
I'm not surprised you haven't had many private messages form PDML members. The shock of it happening must be quite distressing. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT (LOL) Any opinions on the Pentax Optio W20
On 18/12/06, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is one of the few Pentax PS recommended by my loved/hated French magazine that is not particularly fond at Pentax so...it must be a really good camera for its purpose. Thanks guys, it's looking like it has potential then. The following user review that I read earlier seems to be contradicted in various places: http://www.ukdigitalcamerareviews.co.uk/pentax_optio_w20_reviews.htm Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
On 19/12/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dark tent. Is that what I think it is? Googling revealed mainly glow-in-the-dark tent pegs (to freak out moles, no doubt) and ancient photography equipment... Like a film change bag only larger generally. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HIGH-QUALITY-17X18-FILM-CHANGE-BAG-FOR-FUJI_W0QQitemZ150050230475QQihZ005QQcategoryZ629QQcmdZViewItem -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Netiquette? Are you kidding me? Not when its like this, I dont want his harrassing emails obviously and to be using my email address from the list information to harrass me is wrong and the worst netiquette imaginable. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Takeshita Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. It would be a good netiquette to keep private emails private. Thx, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers
ditto for pal, it might be shade better than ntsc on resolution but its worse on motion due to the lower frame rate. Not even in the same league as 720P or 1080i. I guess I should use he term analog video instead. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:48 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT-some actual numbers Dave's another, who lives in a PAL broadcast region. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you upgraded to HD? I agree that the old ntsc is no where near as pleasurable as HD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
I hear that. My cameras are rarley at faul. It's usually the guy standing behind it. :-) Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, Dave, in all other situations my *istD gives perfectly good pictures, sans of course the capable hands of the photographer who's holding it ;-). On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my point. Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my *istD if I have to severely push an image in ACR (2+ stops) banding appears. I just don't bother with that. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
On 19/12/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who runs this list? So how long have you been posting here? No don't answer, just check the link at the bottom of each and every post. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Good, now I can reply. He sent me a whole bunch of personally attacking insulting PRIVATE EMAILS I did not want. He continued doing it even after I politely sent him simple replies that asked him to stop emailing me TWICE. That is not trying to get the last word in , that is trying to get rid of a psycho. He does not have the right to do that to anyone and its an abuse of the list information to use private emails to harrass people. I did NOT start the exchange, he did, and I repeatedly asked him to stop poitely and he would not. thats why I have brought his behaviour to the listmasters attention. This kind of thing is unexcusable. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails HAR! I did send him an e-mail asking him to lay off Tom in regard to the television. Of course he had to get the last word in. I decided to see if I could outlast him. The man needs help. Paul -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
How would like a bunch of insulting private emails coming into your private email box and the person doesnt stop doing it even when politely asked to stop emailing me TWICE? Its incredible behavior and abuse of list information. (using my email address obtained from list posts for private harassment/hate emails that is). It really sucks, I cant believe someone would even think of doing that let alone do it. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters J.C. you're clearly over-reacting. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
2 days away from the List OMG
818 messages in the inbox. Gotta be a new record. of course 400+ were flame-related. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:16:14 +0100, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/12/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dark tent. Is that what I think it is? Googling revealed mainly glow-in-the-dark tent pegs (to freak out moles, no doubt) and ancient photography equipment... Like a film change bag only larger generally. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HIGH-QUALITY-17X18-FILM-CHANGE-BAG-FOR-FUJI_W0QQitemZ150050230475QQihZ005QQcategoryZ629QQcmdZViewItem David, Rob, Thanks for the quick replies. I've got one of those, so developing isn't a problem. Enlarging is, hence the question... Somehow, the darkroom was last on the to-do list when we renovated our house. It's almost at the top now, but we're planning to move :( -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: mighty chilly in hell today
On 12/18/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:56:43 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip b) I could find the dark tent and processing equipment. Dark tent. Is that what I think it is? Googling revealed mainly glow-in-the-dark tent pegs (to freak out moles, no doubt) and ancient photography equipment... I've still got mine, though I can't remember where I put it. What I have is less of a tent and more of a double zipped bag with arm holes for loading film into developing tanks without having to be in a darkroom. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
I only wish you could keep ALL of this private. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave At 10:14 PM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Yes it is because its quite WRONG to be using someones private email box to repeately harrass them under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And especailly when they were asked repeatedly and politely to STOP. If he cant respond to my list posts in public on the list, he has no business harassing me in private instead by using my private email address stolen from the list. I suggested he stay on the list like you are. I have no problem with that. It really unbelievable what he was doing. thats why I had to bring it to the list masters attention. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:14 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails I'm not surprised you haven't had many private messages form PDML members. The shock of it happening must be quite distressing. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
I'd like to ask you JCO, with as much politeness as I can muster, to keep your private conversations private. Please. Pretty please. Jostein On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like a bunch of insulting private emails coming into your private email box and the person doesnt stop doing it even when politely asked to stop emailing me TWICE? Its incredible behavior and abuse of list information. (using my email address obtained from list posts for private harassment/hate emails that is). It really sucks, I cant believe someone would even think of doing that let alone do it. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters J.C. you're clearly over-reacting. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 days away from the List OMG
Welcome back to PDMHEL Jump in, the sulphur is lovely. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 818 messages in the inbox. Gotta be a new record. of course 400+ were flame-related. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
He took it off list to spare everyone else, and what did you do? Drag this crap out in public. Thanks John. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it is because its quite WRONG to be using someones private email box to repeately harrass them under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And especailly when they were asked repeatedly and politely to STOP. If he cant respond to my list posts in public on the list, he has no business harassing me in private instead by using my private email address stolen from the list. I suggested he stay on the list like you are. I have no problem with that. It really unbelievable what he was doing. thats why I had to bring it to the list masters attention. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG
Go on Boris. Deep down you know you want one. Imagine what one of those lovely landscape shots of yours would look like on a nice, big transparency. evil enabling grin Dave :-) On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, no, I am not getting MF gear. It is just too big for my habits. I am still not sure I will be getting K10D... Honestly, if you ask me, I'd much rather go digital Leica road. Even that quirky Epson camera that requires some mechanical action to go to the next shot attracts me. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, bite your tongue. Boris, get both. I'm sure you could do great things with both cameras. Dave On 12/18/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One enablement at a time Boris. And you would have to set some money aside for film with a 645. Regards, Bob S. On 12/17/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Thanks Boris! I'm liking this camera too much. It's going to mean money for me... :-\ It just occurred to me that good 645N (with AF) outfit on eBay would cost me *less* than buying K10D brand new in Israel. The lenses seem to be going cheap too. Well, anyway, the best thing about 645NII (with AF and MLU) that Jostein has is that when you take it to your arms all you feel is like shooting shooting shooting, and the camera or any of its controls or anything really is in the way. You just shoot. Wonderful time it was back in 2004 ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
I'm only going to respond to this thread one more time. Then I'm dropping the matter completely. You do as you wish. I wrote to you off-list because I wanted to get you to stop harrassing my friend Tom without embarassing you and without making my concerns public. You immediately replied in an aggressive manner and refused to accept any responsibility for your actions. I admit to losing my temper at that point and telling you exactly what I thought of you. But it was certainly no worse than what you've heard from others here. Of course you continued to respond to each of my messges. As you always do. The matter is closed. Paul -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it is because its quite WRONG to be using someones private email box to repeately harrass them under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And especailly when they were asked repeatedly and politely to STOP. If he cant respond to my list posts in public on the list, he has no business harassing me in private instead by using my private email address stolen from the list. I suggested he stay on the list like you are. I have no problem with that. It really unbelievable what he was doing. thats why I had to bring it to the list masters attention. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:14 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails I'm not surprised you haven't had many private messages form PDML members. The shock of it happening must be quite distressing. Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
About as much as I like insulting rude public emails from a person who's been asked, more than twice, but still refuses to stop. Cheers, Dave On 12/18/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like a bunch of insulting private emails coming into your private email box and the person doesnt stop doing it even when politely asked to stop emailing me TWICE? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:28 AM, DagT wrote: I only wish you could keep ALL of this private. If someone is sending harassing mails, just set your e-mail software to automatically put their messages in your trash or junk boxes. Problem solved. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
In fact I have been getting your insults to other people into my private mailbox for weeks, and I'm getting tired of it. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would like a bunch of insulting private emails coming into your private email box and the person doesnt stop doing it even when politely asked to stop emailing me TWICE? Its incredible behavior and abuse of list information. (using my email address obtained from list posts for private harassment/hate emails that is). It really sucks, I cant believe someone would even think of doing that let alone do it. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Banding Issue - Suggestions
Likewise. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear that. My cameras are rarley at faul. It's usually the guy standing behind it. :-) Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, Dave, in all other situations my *istD gives perfectly good pictures, sans of course the capable hands of the photographer who's holding it ;-). On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my point. Dave On 12/18/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my *istD if I have to severely push an image in ACR (2+ stops) banding appears. I just don't bother with that. On 12/18/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only come across it on underexposed shots that I've had to push 1.5-2+ stops in ACR to get a usable image. I've not yet shot any long exposures. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Two points: 1 You have been told far more than TWICE, in the few of your flame wars that I have actually read parts of, to stop posting here - did that stop you? 2 Did you ever try simply not replying to any of his personal emails? Would have been worth a shot if what you REALLY wanted was for the emails to stop, rather than wanting to win the battle. I am not condoning or comdemning what he did in private emails - right now I don't give a damn and don't feel a lot of sympathy towards you based on the little I have read that you have been involved in lately. I would far rather he insult you in private than you insult him and the entire list in public by posting this here and dragging us all in. Sorry if that is not what you wanted to hear... Please grow up. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 18 December 2006 14:08 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Good, now I can reply. He sent me a whole bunch of personally attacking insulting PRIVATE EMAILS I did not want. He continued doing it even after I politely sent him simple replies that asked him to stop emailing me TWICE. That is not trying to get the last word in , that is trying to get rid of a psycho. He does not have the right to do that to anyone and its an abuse of the list information to use private emails to harrass people. I did NOT start the exchange, he did, and I repeatedly asked him to stop poitely and he would not. thats why I have brought his behaviour to the listmasters attention. This kind of thing is unexcusable. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails HAR! I did send him an e-mail asking him to lay off Tom in regard to the television. Of course he had to get the last word in. I decided to see if I could outlast him. The man needs help. Paul -- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW 2006 - 39 - GDG
Dave, Go on Boris. Deep down you know you want one. Imagine what one of those lovely landscape shots of yours would look like on a nice, big transparency. evil enabling grin I've some good Fuji NPC 160 (I think) that I shot with 645NII back in 2004 (Yet another thanks goes wholeheartedly to Jostein). I know the feeling and I can resist it ;-). -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails
Believe, I TRIED, and it wasnt working. I had no choice but to report it to the list masters. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails I only wish you could keep ALL of this private. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails You think anyone EVER has the right to use email addresses from the list to send private repeated harrassing emails when they have been told repeatedly and NON HARASSINGLY to stop? NO, that is never right under any circumstances. I totally disagree. If he has a problem with something I post on the list, he should be responding on the list, not sending me a bunch of private hate emails, especially after he was told to stop repeatedly in plain simple english that anyone could understand and he just wont. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Paul Stequest Will not stop sending me harrasing private emails Paul's got a point. You do seem to have a hard time relating to, communicating with people in a civil manner. Cheers, Dave At 10:14 PM 18/12/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I am a being repeatedly harrased by Paul Stenquist in private emails. He will not stop emailing me with harrassing letters. He has been asked repeatedly to stop with no harrassment in return and he wont. He got my private email address from this list and to be using it to harrass me in my private email box has got to be an abuse of the list information and privacy rules. Who runs this list? Would someone please inform him that this is incredibly wrong thing to be doing to me or anyone. Specifically when they have been told repeately to stop emailing me privately and without any harrassment whatsoever in doing so. This behavior of his simply beyond belief. jco = Paul Stenquists still writes to me in private emails: repeated plain requests to stop: For your own good, you should try to get help. Some counseling could go a long way toward solving your problems. On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: YES I WILL RESPOND, DONT EVER EMAIL ME HERE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF YOU DO I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE LIST, ITS GOT TO BE HARRASSMENT AND ABUSE OF THE LIST PRIVACY RULES. STICK TO THE LIST. NO MORE PRIVATE EMAILS JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
