Re: *ist DS selling price

2006-12-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Excellent. Used DSLR selling prices are holding up better than I
 expected.

I sure hope so for all you, boys and girls, but I would not deduct any 
conclusions from sales made on the 19th of Dec.

Charles, how about offering it as a BIN only at a price agreed with 
the Purser; if it sells fine, if it doesn't no worries.

Kostas

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Mark Erickson wrote:

 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

I am still film-only. Last week I took delivery of what turned out to 
be my best roll ever wrt keepers (Tri-X +1).

Kostas

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RE: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Bob W
Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set.
No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is
rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and
money. You can believe that or not, but it is a fact, not an opinion
and your disbelief is no cause to keep banging on about it.

And now you have heard of people who don't care whether their TV
picture sucks or is good, so lets just get over it and get on with the
rest of our lives, shall we?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
 Sent: 20 December 2006 01:03
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 Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 Because I dont belive it, that's why.
 Why wouldnt they care? Are they legally blind
 or something? I have never
 heard of anyone who didnt care whether
 their TV picture sucks or is good in my
 life. And that is what this is, good vs sucks
 TV picture.
 jco
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of
 Bob W
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:51 PM
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 Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 
   I asked the question,
  WHY would you stick with analog when you
  can now get something much much better
  for very low cost?
 
 and plenty of people have given you the answer: they just don't give
a
 shit. So why not leave it at that?
 
 --
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  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
  Sent: 19 December 2006 23:30
  To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
  Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
  
  I will respond to one thing, and its not
  to win its on the topic. I have already
  stated this about 10 times, these sets
  are now CHEAPER than they were 10 years
  ago with way better picture quality which
  give you ( I think I forgot to mention this)
  way better VIEWING EXPERIENCE. I remember
  when I first started viewing really good
  HD sources, that now only was the the
  picture better than I expected, it was
  better than I could even imagined was possible.
  That was my first impression of it all.
  
  Secondly, you get fairly easily get a whole
  bunch of HDTV feeds for no monthly fee
  at all by buying a good antenna for around
  $100.
  
  As for the stupid comments I didnt
  say anyone was stupid, I asked the question,
  WHY would you stick with analog when you
  can now get something much much better
  for very low cost? Its like sticking
  with dialup even after DSL came way down in
  price, or sticking with an old PC just
  because it still works. If the new product
  is cheap enough to be affordable, who
  cares if its 100 times the price of the
  old one if it does things the old one cant?
  NTSC cant do for you what HD can. Trust
  me on this, the difference is not subtle
  and I am not talking about specs, I am
  talking about the difference in the viewing experence.
  
  I not only wouldnt watch an old analog
  NTSC set even if you gave me the best
  one ever made and for free. that means
  HD would be infinately more costly, but
  it not the cost factor that counts,
  its the entertainment value that counts.
  jco
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of
  Cory Papenfuss
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:19 PM
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
  Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
  
  
  On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
  
   I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT
   IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting
this
   stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. 
  They should
   know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows
 like 
   COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic
of
 
   this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly
  improved
   picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it 
 does still 
   pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco
  
  For a factor of 2-3x in price to replace a TV set, followed
 with
  
  (often significantly) higher costs for high-def feeds?  Most
people
 I
  know
  don't spend 5 hours a day watching TV.  I personally watch about 3
  hours, 
  but it's on my homebrew Tivo (MythTV, actually), so I can 
  watch 3 hours
  of 
  network television (documentaries, mostly) in about 1.5 hours.  No

  commercials and sped up a few percent.
  
  You stated a few facts.  High-def is better, technically, yes.
 
  HD sets have gotten cheaper, yes.  Imposing your OPINION that
  everybody 
  who hasn't bought a new set and upgraded their service is stupid
is,
  well, 
  stupid.  State your facts, correct others' incorrect facts in 
  a polite 
  way, state your opinions, and then respect the fact that 
  others may not 
  agree.
  
  I'm sure you will find the need to rebut this 

Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread DagT
 Fra: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

I did, a couple of 120-format Ilford HP5+, and there will be more after 
christmas.  And after that I'll spend a couple of nights in the darkroom.

DagT


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RE: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Bob W
Nice little gallery. Looks like an interesting walk.

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 Sent: 20 December 2006 05:31
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 Subject: Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out 
 with you guys
 
 A few more highlights from Saturday's expedition on the Billy Goat  
 Trail, in Washington DC. We all had a fine time, and I made some new

 friends to boot.
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/mbeacom/PhotoAlbum6.html
 
 Cheers,
 Mike Beacom   (AKA Beaker)
 



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
Yeah, but Frank looks like he could run for quite a while. The
thinnish mountain air will quickly tire Cotty out. All Frank then has
to do is sucker punch him.

65' is good for some things, running isn't one of them.

Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having
a coughing fit.

:-)

Dave

On 12/19/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let's see, 6 foot 5 inches and lugs around a big honking TV camera all day
 versus 5 foot 10 inch(?) and a 'retired' bike courier who has been
 sitting in dispatch drinking coffee for the past 6 months?  No contest
  :-)
 Regards, Bob S.

 On 12/19/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 12/19/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 12/19/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 18/12/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
   
I want to killfile Cotty.  How would I go about doing that?
   
Frank, you're oh so gonna regret saying that one day .   ;-))
  
   I may be giving GFM a miss this year...
  
   ;-)
 
  My money's on Frank. Any takers...?
 
  Dave

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RE: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread Bob W
Well done! You really caught him out on that one. You deserve to feel
proud of yourself for not letting it get by and for making sure we all
know that once again somebody else was just plain WRONG WRONG WRONG
and you were (of course) right. 

You do a valuable service here - most of us, in our ignorance, or with
malicious intent, are either too stupid to remember such things from
one post to the next, or are simply evil and intent on spreading lies.
A lot of people might have considered that date thing to be trivial,
even if they'd had the brains to notice it or the heart to care. But
thank God we've got you on the list to pick up on it. 

Well done, you're making a valuable contribution and enriching all our
lives with your concentration on the essential details.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
 Sent: 20 December 2006 02:56
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
 Subject: RE: The cause of the controversy
 
 I hate to say it but GRAYWOLF is sorta busted
 and my statements on that topic were
 not wrong at all. That set clearly is stamped 1989
 and he initally claimed it was from 1983. I told
 you all that in 1983 you couldnt get
 any sets with video inputs on them except  
 on top line Sony and I stated that the set 
 most likely did not have any video inputs
 or was made at a later date, and there
 it is folks  1 9 8 9  stamped right on it
 not 1983 as initially reported and discussed
 and being told wrong by him when there
 is nothing wrong with what I said at all.
 Maybe we had a mixup on the date, I dont
 recall 1989 ever being mentioned, only 1983, but I stated
 1983 in my reply posts and he didnt correct the
 discussion to 1989 like he should have.
 Six years makes a on what a set could have
 and couldnt have as far as features.
 
 P.S. I get a big kick out of the air/circuitry
 ratio on the rear view shot! Unbelieveable.
 jco
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:21 PM
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 Subject: Re: The cause of the controversy
 
 
 graywolf wrote:
  http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
  
 
 Looks like a nice unit. I miss those console TV's, you don't 
 need a TV 
 stand with them.
 
 -Adam
 
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Re: PAW 2006 - 40 - GDG

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
Righto. Real whipped cream, or from a can (shudder)?

Nice shot of your arm in any case :-)

Dave


On 12/20/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In this instance, they have no purpose as a spoon was supplied with
 the espresso. Normally, I use them to mix the whipped cream and the
 coffee ... always grab them out of habit. ;-)

 I just liked the dynamics of the composition. Actual content was
 secondary.

 G

 On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:31 AM, David Savage wrote:

  What are the sticks for? They look out of place.
 
  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/40.htm


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Re: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread Jostein Øksne
ROTFLMAO.

What's that cavelike smell?


Jostein


On 12/20/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well done! You really caught him out on that one. You deserve to feel
 proud of yourself for not letting it get by and for making sure we all
 know that once again somebody else was just plain WRONG WRONG WRONG
 and you were (of course) right.

 You do a valuable service here - most of us, in our ignorance, or with
 malicious intent, are either too stupid to remember such things from
 one post to the next, or are simply evil and intent on spreading lies.
 A lot of people might have considered that date thing to be trivial,
 even if they'd had the brains to notice it or the heart to care. But
 thank God we've got you on the list to pick up on it.

 Well done, you're making a valuable contribution and enriching all our
 lives with your concentration on the essential details.

 --
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  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
  Sent: 20 December 2006 02:56
  To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
  Subject: RE: The cause of the controversy
 
  I hate to say it but GRAYWOLF is sorta busted
  and my statements on that topic were
  not wrong at all. That set clearly is stamped 1989
  and he initally claimed it was from 1983. I told
  you all that in 1983 you couldnt get
  any sets with video inputs on them except
  on top line Sony and I stated that the set
  most likely did not have any video inputs
  or was made at a later date, and there
  it is folks  1 9 8 9  stamped right on it
  not 1983 as initially reported and discussed
  and being told wrong by him when there
  is nothing wrong with what I said at all.
  Maybe we had a mixup on the date, I dont
  recall 1989 ever being mentioned, only 1983, but I stated
  1983 in my reply posts and he didnt correct the
  discussion to 1989 like he should have.
  Six years makes a on what a set could have
  and couldnt have as far as features.
 
  P.S. I get a big kick out of the air/circuitry
  ratio on the rear view shot! Unbelieveable.
  jco
 
  -Original Message-
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  Behalf Of
  Adam Maas
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:21 PM
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
  Subject: Re: The cause of the controversy
 
 
  graywolf wrote:
   http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
  
 
  Looks like a nice unit. I miss those console TV's, you don't
  need a TV
  stand with them.
 
  -Adam
 
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Re: OT - Something to lighten things up

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/19/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmmm I took a look

 Some cute kitties but Tony Mendoza still rules in my book.

 I find most of these Cassidy shots a bit too Perfect  - too slick  -
 like stock stuff

 Dave S, I like your portrait of your kitty a lot more appealing
 ann

Aw shucks, thanks Ann.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right.
Nothing sticks to them.

Dave

On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized
 frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
 outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
 looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
 hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.


 Paul Stenquist wrote:

  I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
  stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
  and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
  twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
  turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
  better than anything in teflon.

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/12/06, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

Yep, over one hundred C41 35mm (FF :-) rolls this year.

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Re: RAW File Conversion - Workflow Question

2006-12-20 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/12/06, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just wondering how others approach the RAW conversion/image processing 
 workflow. Is it best to, say, just adjust white balance in the RAW converter 
 and do the rest in Photoshop or is it more efficient to make full use of the 
 range of tools in the converter (which seem to be fairly extensive in Raw 
 Shooter).

It's far more advantageous to get the colour balance correct using the
RAW convertor as the data is still linear, after RAW conversion gamma
factors have been applied which make colour adjustment far more
tricky. It's much the same for the other controls too but a bit more
so for colour, the best bet is to get the image adjusted such that
only minimal RGB post processing is required.

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Re: mighty chilly in hell today

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/19/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 she is a sweetheart - nice portrait

Thanks Ann.

 seems to me if I want a real closeup of any cat , unless old, they
 either come running right up to the lens or
 split the minute I click.

The warm weather helps. Makes them more lethargic.

 Ashley is getting more used to me, though

 ann

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Re: Christmas Wish

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I wish for Christmas:  a 35mm 1.4

 What I'll probably get: a bar of Toblerone!


 You?

This is one of those rare years when I don't really want anything.

Dave (content at the moment)

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread DagT
I have a cast iron pan that I inhereted 20 years ago when an old uncle died.  
It's a lot older than me but still is the best I have tried.

DagT
 
 Fra: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right.
 Nothing sticks to them.
 
 Dave
 
 On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized
  frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
  outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
  looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
  hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.
 
 
  Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
   I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
   stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
   and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
   twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
   turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
   better than anything in teflon.
 
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Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread DagT
Yes, I have.  Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a 
good print.  The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the 
sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper.

Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with 
darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc.  Action and science 
fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones 
at home.  It just spoils the impression.

DagT

 
 Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 Have you ever asked yourself WHY?
 Its not very logical that you
 can appreciate a really good print
 but video picture quality doesnt
 matter at all to you. That would only be logical
 if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see,
 maybe you are not aware of really how good
 (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume
 you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you
 see the difference? Thats all I can
 come with with your still being of sane mind
 jco
 
 -Original Message-
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 DagT
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM
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 Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 
 No, it is true.  I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a  
 good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and  
 selenium toned BW prints  from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the  
 difference.
 
 DagT
 
 Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell:
 
  I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT
  IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this
  stuff
  in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers.
  They should know better than that unless all they watch is
  hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not
  the demographic of this group I dont think makes
  any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture
  quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does
  still pictures...Come on with this stuff!
  jco
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of
  Cory Papenfuss
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM
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  Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 
  On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
  Why should I accept an opposing opinion
  (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or  
  cannot be
 
  backed up with a good factual argument to support
  it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction.
  I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything,
  and many many things are gray which I avoid.
  But to expect me to just accept anything else
  without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly,
  I honestly believe that there are people posting
  here opposing viewpoints they dont even believe
  in just to oppose me no matter what I post.
  jco
 
 
  You don't have to accept it.  You should, however, realize that
  others might have a wildly different point of view and an opinion.   
  That
 
  doesn't make them wrong, just different from your viewpoint.  When you
  express your *opinion* as FACT and then argue with those who don't  
  agree
 
  with those facts, it incites anoyance.
 
  The HDTV argument was particularly obtuse.  Yes the picture is
 
  better... quantifiably so.  Yes the prices have come down... they are
  still not cheap.  You fail to understand that for a lot of people,  
  TV is
 
  not very important... whether the picture is NTSC or IMAX, it doesn't
  matter to them.  It's a *personal choice* on their part that you  
  need to
 
  be able to accept and understand.
 
  -Cory
 
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Re: My greatest christmas present (OT)

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/20/06, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I used to find this time of year just too stressful. Then a few years
 ago I stopped sending out Christmas cards

snip

 Joe

Joseph Bah Humbug Tainter

:-)

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 12/19/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/19/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If gives you any comfort:
  http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=baldword2=bunny
 
  ;-)

 Ironic, coming from you...

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Considering Cesar's shot from GFM, I guess the question is... which
one applies? :-)

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Re: *ist DS selling price

2006-12-20 Thread John Whittingham
 I sure hope so for all you, boys and girls, but I would not deduct 
 any conclusions from sales made on the 19th of Dec.
 
 Charles, how about offering it as a BIN only at a price agreed with 
 the Purser; if it sells fine, if it doesn't no worries.

Seem to be holding their price well in the UK, DS with kit lens went for BIN 
£400 last night on Ebay, starting price was £300.

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/12/06, Beaker, discombobulated, unleashed:

A few more highlights from Saturday's expedition on the Billy Goat  
Trail, in Washington DC. We all had a fine time, and I made some new  
friends to boot.

http://homepage.mac.com/mbeacom/PhotoAlbum6.html

PS - you might like the following links :-)

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?

2006-12-20 Thread John Whittingham
 Don't you think that Phill Askey is clearly more benevolent with the
 D200 than with K10D? I do.

I also noticed in the full reviews of the K10D and Nikon D80 the following 
comments in the conclusions:

K10D: Large and bright Pentaprism viewfinder 

D80: Very large and bright viewfinder view with short black-out

Anyone have any experience with the D80? care to comment?

I thought Pentax DSLR's had probably the best viewfinders of any sub $1000 
DSLR, not that I'd lose any sleep over it -:)

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Re: insights on lightroom

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/20/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Curiouser and curiouser ..

 Did some print testing today. All I gotta say is that whatever magic
 Lightroom is doing to the data on the way to the printer works. I
 tried using both 'printer controls color' and selecting a profile for
 LR to control color, and in both cases the results were subtly better
 than what I got out of the same choices printing from Photoshop CS2.

 Have to say that I'm liking LR more and more. There's a lot as yet to
 discover/understand, but overall it's proving to be very capable. And
 the 'basic conversion and editing in LR, more complicated stuff in
 Photoshop' workflow is developing too.

 (I haven't really looked at CS3 beta much yet ... one thing at a
 time! ;-)

With some of the Lightroom features that have been included into CS3,
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/12/06, Beaker, discombobulated, unleashed:

A few more highlights from Saturday's expedition on the Billy Goat  
Trail, in Washington DC. We all had a fine time, and I made some new  
friends to boot.

http://homepage.mac.com/mbeacom/PhotoAlbum6.html

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Re: I feel good, again :-)

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

Yesterday I took a look inside again, and there it was, an empty space at
the wall :-)

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 20/12/06, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

Yes! One roll this week. After some 7 years working in Loondon my boss
is returning back to his home country, Germany, to becomea lecturer in
Leipzig, so we went out one evening for a trip on the London Eye and a
meal... And maybe ten rolls in October, from my holiday in Japan.
Really must get around to posting a GESO or more PESOs of that!

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having
a coughing fit.

Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat  !

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

A roll? Dozens. Over the last weeks, I've bought 300 rolls of Agfa
Optima 100 and another 100 of Optima 400 roll film and the C-41
chemicals to process them.  

Still no way around analog for my panoramics and most of the night
stuff.

Ralf

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Re: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html

The picture's terrible! That looks like a National Geographic
documentary about some guy shooting living rooms, but the contrast is so
bad on the screen it's difficult to tell. I reckon you need a new TV
Graywolf. Apparently the HDTV system is much better anf comes highly
recommended, and if you don't agree you're WRONG WRONG WRONG!

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Re: My Next Dog?

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/06, wendy beard, discombobulated, unleashed:

Mine is somewhat of a miracle boy.
Three years and three months ago he was diagnosed with Lymphosarcoma.
He is now 8.5 years old and totally in remission.
This is Boris on his 8th birthday in June
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/62330096

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Re: Christmas Wish

2006-12-20 Thread Peter Jordan
This strikes a very personal chord.

We're going to Egypt on vacation over Xmas, with our 3 17 - 22 y.o. kids. I 
suspect we will have a lot of anger, hate and war as the family get used to 
being together far more than normal.

This will undoubtedly start at the airport at 0500 tomorrow morning!

Peter

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Subject: Re: Christmas Wish


 What I wish for is Peace on earth, goodwill to all.

 What I will probably get, as usual, is anger, hate, and war.

 SIGH



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RE: *ist DS selling price

2006-12-20 Thread Malcolm Smith
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

 I sure hope so for all you, boys and girls, but I would not 
 deduct any conclusions from sales made on the 19th of Dec.

Following the posts last week on my boxed unused *ist D, I decided to watch
a few eBay auctions and then put it up as a buy it now, when I got a feel
for the prices they achieved. I expected more positive prices this side of
Xmas but the selling prices left me disappointed.

I've therefore decided to keep it, prices after Xmas will surely be worse.
It's a matter of changing my view on how I think about digital cameras. I
suppose I am so used to buying a second hand film camera, using it for a few
years and selling it on at more or less the same price as I bought it, that
it stings. If I view it the same way as a computer, washing machine or
similar domestic appliance purchase, I accept from the outset that it's
expensive but will ultimately be an item for recycling. Once you accept
that's where digital cameras now fit in in the scheme of things, you can
settle back and accept it - and enjoy them. So that's what I plan to do and
I now have a new camera for Xmas. The K10D will have to sit on the shopping
list a little longer!

I hope you all have a peaceful Xmas.

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Re: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Peter Jordan
8 rolls of Velvia 120 back from lab to sort today, plus 3 35mm Velvias to go 
for processing.

Just packing for our Xmas trip to Egypt. Planning on taking Digital PS and 
LX rather than istDL for more serious work.

Peter

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Re: I nice photographer's rights story for a change

2006-12-20 Thread Jostein Øksne
Nice read.
Great that he got a written apology for the harassment.

Jostein

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Re: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson
Do you have to open the doors at the sides to let the noise out?
 
 From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/19 Tue PM 11:43:39 GMT
 To: PDML PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: The cause of the controversy
 
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
 
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Re: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread Carlos Royo
graywolf escribió:
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html
 

That's a good looking TV. My cats would love it, it seems very 
comfortable, especially in winter.

Carlos

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/19 Tue PM 10:15:06 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:27 AM
 Subject: Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys
 
 
  
  
  Cesar is quite transparent...
 
 I agree, I've never found him..negative.
  
  He got quite a stocky frame.
 
 Yeah, more or less a medium format.

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Seen this review of Windoze Vista?

2006-12-20 Thread Cameron Hood
 From the New York Times:

http://tinyurl.com/yn3cef

Unbelievable. Vista my ass - more like a little glimpse of what a real 
computer looks like. Billy Gates' 'crew' has really lost it this time - 
he should go to jail for this amount of blatant piracy and theft.

The only thing he won't steal is the reliability - has NO idea how to 
do that.

And they'll be the faithful windowites going 'nuthin rong wit dat'.

Flame away - I'm unsubscribing.

JCO - you're a nut bag.

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Re: Seen this review of Windoze Vista?

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
yawn

Who gives a shit?

Dave

On 12/20/06, Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From the New York Times:

 http://tinyurl.com/yn3cef

 Unbelievable. Vista my ass - more like a little glimpse of what a real
 computer looks like. Billy Gates' 'crew' has really lost it this time -
 he should go to jail for this amount of blatant piracy and theft.

 The only thing he won't steal is the reliability - has NO idea how to
 do that.

 And they'll be the faithful windowites going 'nuthin rong wit dat'.

 Flame away - I'm unsubscribing.

 JCO - you're a nut bag.

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
I don't remember the last shot when you first posted this.

Does the missus know?

Dave ;-)

On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: The cause of the controversy

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
They're there so the little pixies that perform inside don't suffocate.

Dave

On 12/20/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do you have to open the doors at the sides to let the noise out?
 
  From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2006/12/19 Tue PM 11:43:39 GMT
  To: PDML PDML@pdml.net
  Subject: The cause of the controversy
 
  http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/TV.html

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
I shot a roll of 120 Portra in my 6x7 about two months ago. It was my 
first in three years.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Mark Erickson wrote:

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Re: PESO - Morning jog

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good one. The limited DOF works well here.
On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Taken during the morning walk.

 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6 AF SD, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4069a.htm

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SDHC Support - Firmware updates

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/

Cheers,

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Cotty


  Cesar is quite transparent...
 
 I agree, I've never found him..negative.
  
  He got quite a stocky frame.
 
 Yeah, more or less a medium format.

Never square, though.

Surely a wind up?


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Re: It's snowing in hell --OT

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson
 From: SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/20 Wed AM 03:50:48 GMT
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: It's snowing in hell --OT
 
 On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:04:06 +
 mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   If you're looking for Golden Age hard science fiction read Analog
   http://www.analogsf.com/0701/issue_01.shtml
   A subscription is a good idea but it can be found in well stocked
   book stores.
  
  I used to have two tea chests full of pulp magazines, inluding
  pre-war Astounding/Analog - with John W Campbell's first editorial
  edition.  Until I went to College and came home after the first term
  to find that they had been trashed to make space.  Sigh.  I could
  probably have bought a reasonable house with the proceeds now.
 
 come to think of it, you could have also probably got yourself a couple
 of ph.ds :))
 

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Scott Loveless
On 12/20/06, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

Haven't processed much myself over the last few months, but I've
probably had about 20 rolls of c-41 and e-6 done.  I have at least
five rolls of e-6 that need to be sent out and more than 10 rolls of
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Re: Seen this review of Windoze Vista?

2006-12-20 Thread Peter Jordan
ROTFLMAO!

Who say the US doesn't do irony!

Peter

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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Seen this review of Windoze Vista?


 From the New York Times:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yn3cef
 
 Unbelievable. Vista my ass - more like a little glimpse of what a real 
 computer looks like. Billy Gates' 'crew' has really lost it this time - 
 he should go to jail for this amount of blatant piracy and theft.
 
 The only thing he won't steal is the reliability - has NO idea how to 
 do that.
 
 And they'll be the faithful windowites going 'nuthin rong wit dat'.
 
 Flame away - I'm unsubscribing.
 
 JCO - you're a nut bag.
 
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Re: *ist DS selling price

2006-12-20 Thread David Weiss
Sold my ist DS with a m501.4 for $450, no cards or batteries.  This was
about 2 months ago.

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Re: The Caveman!

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/20 Wed AM 12:02:23 GMT
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 Subject: Re: The Caveman!
 
 dick graham wrote:
  Listening to all this negativity reminds me of a few years gone by when 
  tales from the cave were  getting everyone riled up. If I  recall 
  correctly, about the time that Ed Mathews and Bill Castleberry were still 
  participating on pdml, we had the original mr negativity, The 
  Caveman.  Tales from the cave got more than a few people upset.  Does any 
  remember this dude and did we ever figure out who it was?
  
 I never found Valentin to be so bad - he had some insightful comments 
 and usually deflected criticism with his wit, and not vulgarity.  As 
 time went by, he seemed to grow disaffected with the list though...

Not the list.  (Certain) list members.


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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson
About six since summer - most shooting is of sprog and needs to be seen NOW!  
Have another three lined up to go after Christmas, with whatever I shoot over 
that period.  All slide film, so far.  Might run some MF through the Rollei for 
a change.
 
 From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Steven Larson
indeed, is there any other way?

Steve

- Original Message - 
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To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: poll: chime in if


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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Mark Cassino
Mark Erickson wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently
 
Late November - 3-35mm rolls of Ilford Delta 100 in Rodinal and 3 rolls 
of Neopan 400 in Microdol-X, all run through the Mz-S. Plus a couple of 
rolls of 120 film from a Holga.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Norm Baugher
Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do 
like a good BW print...

DagT wrote:
 No, it is true.  I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a  
 good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and  
 selenium toned BW prints  from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the  
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:

Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set.
No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is
rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and
money. 

We have just a 13 set... in storage in the basement somewhere. We get 
it out occasionally for Lisa's mother when she's visiting but haven't 
watched it ourselves in literally years. Neither of us has time to 
waste on TV.


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Norm Baugher
WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the 
flavor of omelettes.
Norm

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Hi Shel,
 I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- 
 stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,  
 and your pan will last forever. snip


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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/20 Wed AM 11:46:38 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys
 
 
 
   Cesar is quite transparent...
  
  I agree, I've never found him..negative.
   
   He got quite a stocky frame.
  
  Yeah, more or less a medium format.
 
 Never square, though.
 
 Surely a wind up?

I have heard that he gets pixellated occasionally.


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Re: The Caveman!

2006-12-20 Thread Norm Baugher
Valentine was/is hilarious. He's got a hell of a sense of humor.
Norm

dick graham wrote:
 Listening to all this negativity reminds me of a few years gone by when 
 tales from the cave were  getting everyone riled up. If I  recall 
 correctly, about the time that Ed Mathews and Bill Castleberry were still 
 participating on pdml, we had the original mr negativity, The 
 Caveman.  Tales from the cave got more than a few people upset.  Does any 
 remember this dude and did we ever figure out who it was?

 DG


   


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right.
Nothing sticks to them.

What's all this business about *pans*??? I stalk my food in the wild, 
kill it with my bare hands and eat it raw!

Mark the vegetarian


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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different

2006-12-20 Thread Mark Roberts
John Whittingham wrote:

 Don't you think that Phill Askey is clearly more benevolent with the
 D200 than with K10D? I do.

I also noticed in the full reviews of the K10D and Nikon D80 the 
following 
comments in the conclusions:

K10D: Large and bright Pentaprism viewfinder 

D80: Very large and bright viewfinder view with short black-out

Anyone have any experience with the D80? care to comment?

I thought Pentax DSLR's had probably the best viewfinders of any sub 
$1000 
DSLR, not that I'd lose any sleep over it -:)

The Pentax viewfinders are pretty good compared to the competition. I 
realize this is like saying my dog has pretty good breath for a dog.
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Re: Seen this review of Windoze Vista?

2006-12-20 Thread Jostein Øksne
HAR!!! Unsubscribing from a Pentax List because Microsoft has copied Apple!

Fabulous.

Merry Christmas, Cameron. :-)

Jostein

On 12/20/06, Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From the New York Times:

 http://tinyurl.com/yn3cef

 Unbelievable. Vista my ass - more like a little glimpse of what a real
 computer looks like. Billy Gates' 'crew' has really lost it this time -
 he should go to jail for this amount of blatant piracy and theft.

 The only thing he won't steal is the reliability - has NO idea how to
 do that.

 And they'll be the faithful windowites going 'nuthin rong wit dat'.

 Flame away - I'm unsubscribing.

 JCO - you're a nut bag.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard  
anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and  
teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of  
ignorance. Paul
On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote:

 Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard  
 anodized
 frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
 outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
 looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
 hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.


 Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
 stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
 and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
 twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
 turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
 better than anything in teflon.

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Re: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Erickson Subject: poll: chime in if


 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently


Film?
I'll be having a roll of Superia 400 done today or tomorrow.
Gotta do the afters of the house we are finishing up (TODAY!!).
I still like the wideness I get with film ad the A15/3.5.

William Robb

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of  
my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is  
aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it  
stays puffy. Get a life, Norm.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote:

 WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the
 flavor of omelettes.
 Norm

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Hi Shel,
 I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
 stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
 and your pan will last forever. snip


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Paul StenquistSubject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


 Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
 anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
 teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
 ignorance. Paul

I haven't found anything that cast iron isn't good for.
I have a set of pans that I got as a gas station promotion almost 30 years 
ago that is still some of the nicest cookware I have used, and a couple of 
big Woods cast iron pans, I think 18 and 22 inches or somthing. The big one 
is heavy enough to make my wife complain if I leave it on the stove.
I have no use at all for teflon pans.
Apparently if you get them too hot, they emit a gas that is toxic to birds.
Something to think about if you keep them as pets.
I had a small Calphalon pan that I used for eggs many years ago, it was a 
wonderful pan.

William Robb 


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/12/20 Wed PM 12:51:14 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter
 
 David Savage wrote:
 
 I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right.
 Nothing sticks to them.
 
 What's all this business about *pans*??? I stalk my food in the wild, 
 kill it with my bare hands and eat it raw!
 
 Mark the vegetarian

Don't you find it distrubing when the radishes scream, though?


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OT MAC attack

2006-12-20 Thread mike wilson
From another forum:

Starting Jan7 a guy is going to reveal one security hole every day on the 
Apple platform. Looks like its days are numbered.

I know no more than this.


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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Rick Womer
I had two rolls of Elite Chrome 100 processed about a
month ago, and finally got around to sorting the
slides last week.  It was the first slide film I'd
shot since getting my ist D in March (though I had
shot a couple of rolls of print film).  

There is still something magical about looking at
slides, either through a loupe or projected, that
digital can't match.  I sure missed the EXIF,
though--I'm still not sure where I took a few of the
pix!

Rick

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread frank theriault
On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat  !

I have a seat.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
I don't like aluminium cookware.

Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference.

Cheers,

Dave

On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
 anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
 teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
 ignorance. Paul
 On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote:

  Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard
  anodized
  frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
  outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
  looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
  hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.
 
 
  Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
  stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
  and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
  twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
  turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
  better than anything in teflon.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do
like a good BW print...

Don't tell me, intercourseface is trying to say that you are an idiot for 
thinking
you can appreciate a still picture without having any appreciation for a
moving one?

William Robb


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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Adam Maas
Been a week or two, have some I really need to soup soon thouhg.

-Adam


Mark Erickson wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently
 
 
 


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Paul,

I have some older Calphalon pots and pans, and have been very happy with
them.  I also use cast iron - great for some cooking tasks.

Frankly, I've been vacillating between the non-stick and the Calphalon hard
anodized, but I also want a non-stick skillet for certain tasks, and
thought I'd go with the All-Clad or the Calphalon for that.  I've not yet
carefully examined the Calphalon, although a friend has a 14 non-stick
skillet and swears by it. BTW, if you've not used All-Clad, you might five
it a try.  Great stuff, but, like all good cookware, a bit on the spendy
side.  A couple of days ago, while at Slur la Table, I saw their private
brand, which is much less expensive than All-Clad or Calphalon, and it
looks and feels pretty good.  Anyway, thanks for the recommendation.  I'll
be making a purchase after Christmas - can't stand the lines right now

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: 12/19/2006 7:57:29 PM
 Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

 Hi Shel,
 I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- 
 stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,  
 and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are  
 twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and  
 turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,  
 better than anything in teflon.
   If you're going to do some serious frying (like southern fried  
 chicken, for example) you might also consider a cast iron skillet in  
 14 to 16 inch size. I too would rather cook than watch television.
 Paul

 On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Well, using your argument, here is a list of things 
  I do more than  watch television:
 
  Read books;
  Cook;
  Visit friends and interact with them;
  Play with my cats
 
  Maybe I should get an couple of HD cats.
 
  Further, I don't care to spend $$ on television sets.  
  For example,  if I had an extra $1,000.00 right now, 
  I'd be getting a couple of new  saucepans, a 12-quart 
  stock pot, and a 14-inch skillet (either Calphalon or  
  All-Clad) with a non-stick interior.  Or a larger or 
  second refrigerator or  freezer.



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
Which of these do you use to beat your eggs?

http://tinyurl.com/y4pfpu

Dave

On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of
 my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is
 aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it
 stays puffy. Get a life, Norm.
 Paul
 On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote:

  WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the
  flavor of omelettes.
  Norm

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread K.Takeshita
On 12/20/06 9:04 AM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (I love this list. One day were arguing about TV, the next we're discussing
 pots  pans. :-)

Told you, one of the best non-photographic knowledge sources around.  Along
the way, I picked up more than a few bad words and slang here too :-).

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Cookware (was Re: Please everyone set up an email filter)

2006-12-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist 

 I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- 
 stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,  
 and your pan will last forever. 



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Dave Kennedy
Don't cook alot, but nothing beat fresh fish in a cast iron frying pan
on a fishing trip :)

dk

On 12/20/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't like aluminium cookware.

 Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
  anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
  teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
  ignorance. Paul
  On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote:
 
   Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard
   anodized
   frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
   outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
   looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
   hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.
  
  
   Paul Stenquist wrote:
  
   I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
   stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
   and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
   twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
   turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
   better than anything in teflon.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized.  Thanks for jumping in John ... I
know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: John Francis 

 I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating.
 So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced
 (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare
 occasion that she touches the pans).

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
  Hi Shel,
  I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- 
  stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,  
  and your pan will last forever. 



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Properly seasoned and cared for cast iron is great for some cooking tasks.  

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: David Savage 

 I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right.
 Nothing sticks to them.



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
I cooked to beautiful fillet steaks this evening on one of the $5 cast iron 
frying pans I mentioned earlier.

That sucker was smoking hot, before I added any oil. When the steaks were 
done, I cooked an egg in the same pan  it slid straight off.

Dave

(I love this list. One day were arguing about TV, the next we're discussing 
pots  pans. :-)

At 10:46 PM 20/12/2006, William Robb wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Paul StenquistSubject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


  Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
  anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
  teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
  ignorance. Paul

I haven't found anything that cast iron isn't good for.
I have a set of pans that I got as a gas station promotion almost 30 years
ago that is still some of the nicest cookware I have used, and a couple of
big Woods cast iron pans, I think 18 and 22 inches or somthing. The big one
is heavy enough to make my wife complain if I leave it on the stove.
I have no use at all for teflon pans.
Apparently if you get them too hot, they emit a gas that is toxic to birds.
Something to think about if you keep them as pets.
I had a small Calphalon pan that I used for eggs many years ago, it was a
wonderful pan.

William Robb


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Re: My greatest christmas present

2006-12-20 Thread Dave Kennedy
Wonderful shot.

dk

On 12/19/06, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lalalalaaa... :-)

 I've offered myself the greatest christmas present ever: no christmas
 this year!

 No bickering from the monster-in-law. No hours of preparation and
 cooking to do. No mess in the kitchen. No heaps of dirty dishes.

 This is what I'll be looking at, this christmas eve:

 http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/5772748

 Isn't life wonderful.

 Happy holidays to all of you.

 Ralf

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 9:16 PM -0800 12/19/06, Mark Erickson wrote:
...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

Of course. Film is all I shoot...at least until today when my new D 
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Re: Christmas Wish

2006-12-20 Thread Bob Shell

On Dec 20, 2006, at 4:07 AM, David Savage wrote:

 This is one of those rare years when I don't really want anything.

I want a new Bugatti, but I seriously doubt that I will get it.

Bob

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Bob Shell
Nice shots?  Where exactly in DC is this?  I lived in DC but never  
heard about it.

Bob

On Dec 20, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Beaker wrote:

 A few more highlights from Saturday's expedition on the Billy Goat
 Trail, in Washington DC. We all had a fine time, and I made some new
 friends to boot.

 http://homepage.mac.com/mbeacom/PhotoAlbum6.html

 Cheers,
 Mike Beacom   (AKA Beaker)


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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Perry Pellechia
On 12/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter


 Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I 
 do
 like a good BW print...

 Don't tell me, intercourseface is trying to say that you are an idiot for
 thinking
 you can appreciate a still picture without having any appreciation for a
 moving one?


Now Bill, remember why you set up that filter.

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RE: PESO - Morning jog

2006-12-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bruce,

IMO, somewhat boring and uninteresting,  A more vertical crop (losing some
on the left) might enhance the dynamics of the scene and give it some
greater interest.  Limited DOF is good 

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Bruce Dayton 

 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6 AF SD, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4069a.htm



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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Still?

Cotty wrote:
 On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having
 a coughing fit.
 

 Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat  !

   


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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?

2006-12-20 Thread P. J. Alling
I've read in a couple of places that the Sony (Koni/Mini) Alpha finders 
were just a bit better than the Pentax Pentaprism finders, but I didn't 
think so.  The higher end Nikon finders seem to be very nice, but their 
affordable cameras, (D50, etc.), seem just nasty by comparison.  Haven't 
looked at a D80 yet.

John Whittingham wrote:
 Don't you think that Phill Askey is clearly more benevolent with the
 D200 than with K10D? I do.
 

 I also noticed in the full reviews of the K10D and Nikon D80 the following 
 comments in the conclusions:

 K10D: Large and bright Pentaprism viewfinder 

 D80: Very large and bright viewfinder view with short black-out

 Anyone have any experience with the D80? care to comment?

 I thought Pentax DSLR's had probably the best viewfinders of any sub $1000 
 DSLR, not that I'd lose any sleep over it -:)

 John 

 

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Re: DCPDML Report, or I don't know why I hang out with you guys

2006-12-20 Thread Christian
Bob Shell wrote:
 Nice shots?  Where exactly in DC is this?  I lived in DC but never  
 heard about it.
 

It's the Great Falls (Maryland side) park.  The billy goat trail follows 
the banks of the Potomac River and CO Canal.
http://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/upload/greatfallstrailmap.pdf


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Re: My holiday greeting

2006-12-20 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 21/12/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm very interested in music, and have been working with synthesized
 music since the first Moogs in the late 60s.  As a holiday present
 for my friends I have created my version of Bach's Wachet Auf/
 Sleepers Awake and put it here for download as an mp3 file.  Maybe
 some of you will like it:

 http://www/bobshell.com/MP3/SleepersAwake2.mp3

 And, on a more irreverant note, I've done a bit of Tchaikovsky as I
 would imagine it would have been performed by Spike Jones and Ernie
 Kovacs.  Just for fun:

 http://www/bobshell.com/MP3/DerangedNutcracker.mp3

Very cool Bob, you'd probably be amused by the following recording
unless you've already heard it:

http://www.jsbach.org/mandozzibachhandel300.html

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?

2006-12-20 Thread Bob Shell

On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 I've read in a couple of places that the Sony (Koni/Mini) Alpha  
 finders
 were just a bit better than the Pentax Pentaprism finders, but I  
 didn't
 think so.  The higher end Nikon finders seem to be very nice, but  
 their
 affordable cameras, (D50, etc.), seem just nasty by comparison.   
 Haven't
 looked at a D80 yet.

By far the best viewfinder I've seen in an under-$2000 DSLR was on  
the Konica-Minolta Maxxum 7D.  It is unfortunate that Sony chose to  
come out with their upgrade of the 5D first, because that viewfinder  
really sucks.  I hope they don't wait too long to release the 7D  
upgrade, or even better, their version of the 9D which never made it  
to market under the K-M banner.  I've talked to people who were  
involved in the project and it sounds like it would be a serious  
contender as a pro DSLR.

Bob

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
He's having too much fun.

Dave

On 12/20/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Still?

 Cotty wrote:
  On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
  Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having
  a coughing fit.
 
 
  Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat 
   !

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Re: poll: chime in if....

2006-12-20 Thread David Savage
On 12/20/06, Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 9:16 PM -0800 12/19/06, Mark Erickson wrote:
 ...you've processed (or had processed) a roll of film recently

 Of course. Film is all I shoot...at least until today when my new D
 is due to arrive...

My commiserations.

:-)

Enjoy.

Dave

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My holiday greeting

2006-12-20 Thread Bob Shell
I'm very interested in music, and have been working with synthesized  
music since the first Moogs in the late 60s.  As a holiday present  
for my friends I have created my version of Bach's Wachet Auf/ 
Sleepers Awake and put it here for download as an mp3 file.  Maybe  
some of you will like it:

http://www/bobshell.com/MP3/SleepersAwake2.mp3

And, on a more irreverant note, I've done a bit of Tchaikovsky as I  
would imagine it would have been performed by Spike Jones and Ernie  
Kovacs.  Just for fun:

http://www/bobshell.com/MP3/DerangedNutcracker.mp3

Happy Holidays!!

Bob


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RE: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread Tim Øsleby
Aluminium is good for cooking milk and milky stuff. But I use stainless for
my general cooking. 
I use titanium pans for frying. Quite good pans really, but they are
delicate pets. My SO has killed one of them while dishing. That's her part
of the job. Under doubt I have forgiven her neglective attitude towards
pans. 
Guys, get a SO who likes to dish. After good kitchen training she is the
best tool there is ;-) 
(As long as you treat her with good treats)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Savage
Sent: 20. desember 2006 14:40
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

I don't like aluminium cookware.

Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference.

Cheers,

Dave

On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard
 anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and
 teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of
 ignorance. Paul
 On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote:

  Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard
  anodized
  frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not
  outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep
  looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I
  hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now.
 
 
  Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non-
  stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right,
  and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are
  twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and
  turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface,
  better than anything in teflon.

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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread pnstenquist
It's just a little Evinrude 15 horsepower outboard. Seriously, I use a Bosch 
hand mixer. It's basically a blender that you can just stickin a cup. A lot of 
cooks refer to the hand blender as a boat motor. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Which of these do you use to beat your eggs?
 
 http://tinyurl.com/y4pfpu
 
 Dave
 
 On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of
  my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is
  aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it
  stays puffy. Get a life, Norm.
  Paul
  On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote:
 
   WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the
   flavor of omelettes.
   Norm
 
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Re: Please everyone set up an email filter

2006-12-20 Thread graywolf
Yah, sitting at a desk will do that to you.

-graywolf, who could not pass up a straight line like that.


frank theriault wrote:
 On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat  
 !
 
 I have a seat.
 
 -frank
 

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Re: My holiday greeting

2006-12-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Bob Shell wrote:

 I'm very interested in music, and have been working with synthesized
 music since the first Moogs in the late 60s.  As a holiday present
 for my friends I have created my version of Bach's Wachet Auf/
 Sleepers Awake and put it here for download as an mp3 file.  Maybe
 some of you will like it:

 http://www.bobshell.com/MP3/SleepersAwake2.mp3

 And, on a more irreverant note, I've done a bit of Tchaikovsky as I
 would imagine it would have been performed by Spike Jones and Ernie
 Kovacs.  Just for fun:

 http://www.bobshell.com/MP3/DerangedNutcracker.mp3

 Happy Holidays!!

Thanks Bob. To you too. I am still on Sleepers Awake, which sounds 
good/seasonal enough to me.

Kostas
p.s.: I fixed the URLs above :-)

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Re: Dpreview's D200 jpeg overall conclusion: same problem different attitude?

2006-12-20 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 20.12.2006, at 15:52 , Bob Shell wrote:

 By far the best viewfinder I've seen in an under-$2000 DSLR was on
 the Konica-Minolta Maxxum 7D.  It is unfortunate that Sony chose to
 come out with their upgrade of the 5D first, because that viewfinder
 really sucks.  I hope they don't wait too long to release the 7D
 upgrade, or even better, their version of the 9D which never made it
 to market under the K-M banner.  I've talked to people who were
 involved in the project and it sounds like it would be a serious
 contender as a pro DSLR.
Actually my quite reliable sources told me that next semi-pro body  
from Sony will have FF sensor and it will be priced well below Canon 5D.

Cheers,
Sylwek



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Re: viewfinders

2006-12-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:24 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 I thought Pentax DSLR's had probably the best viewfinders of any  
 sub $1000
 DSLR, not that I'd lose any sleep over it -:)

I have compared the Nikon D200 against the Pentax *ist DS. I find  
them about equal in viewfinder quality, with a slight edge to the  
Nikon. The K10D viewfinder is slightly better than the *ist DS and on  
par with or better than the Nikon D200 as far as I can tell. I have  
only just looked through a D80 once and didn't feel that it was any  
better than the *ist DS.

The K-M 7D also had a very good viewfinder, to my eye it and the *ist  
DS were on par.

Godfrey

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