Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Fascinating. I stand corrected. On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read here, 1902 early enough for you? http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarselectrica.htm Like I said earlier - this is one of the more interesting off-topic threads as of recently ;-). -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Indeed. You're quite correct. On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you have to ask how much it costs governmentally to produce the batteries in the first place. If you're going to do that math to start with that is. In fact, this whole issue is very flexible to the point that different interpretations can come up with totally different results thereby allowing the tail to wag the dog in any way tail wants to wag the dog. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: *istD AF
Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 27. december 2006 23:14 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Taken from the *istD manual page 74: The camera switches to predictive AF mode automatically when a moving subject is detected in AF.C (Continous mode). Frits Wüthrich On Wednesday 27 December 2006 22:36, Jens Bladt wrote: No, I doubt that this camera does feature predictive AF - it doesn't really track or calculate anything AFAIK. Predictive AF means calculating where the subject will be at the actual time of release - using calculations based on the pattern that a moving object describes on the focus screen. The *ist D does not do such calculations, does it? It's not exactly F16 weapons technolgy :-) Even if it did, it wouldn't work well when the object is moving very directly towards the camera - then there is only VERY little movement to calculate (the movement caused by the subject changing it's size as it's getting closer or farther away). All it does is focus on what ever is close or has high contrast. It's really just a focus trap - that is always a little bit too late. Secondly I never let the camera choose the AF point. I always use the point in the middle. So, this can't be the reason for my shots beeing unsharp either. The only reason I can think of is that it doesn't focus properly on moving objects, because it's too slow. When ever the red square appears, the object is allready out of focus again, before the shutter fires. The K10D and the *ist D does have the same generation AF system, according to dpreview; the SAFOX VIII. I have never heard or read anywhere, that this system had predictive autofocus. The PZ-1 was said to have this (according the the user manual - which says about SERVO mode: The predictive autofocus function is effective in this mode). But I seriously doubt that the camera computer actaully did such focus calculations or really is very predictive. Even if they have just NAMED the servo mode/continuos mode predictable autofucus - it's still not very fast, is it? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af John Francis Sendt: 27. december 2006 21:12 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: *istD AF On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 04:47:49PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photograph - in fact it's excellent! This was not done with continous AF, was it? Well, at some distance any photograph is always sharp. Only not necessarily where you wnat it to be. In my experience the *istD AF/Continuos AF is not fast enough for anything movuing faster than a walking human. I have pointed this out many times on this list. Other list members allways seem to answer me, that shots like this must be done using MF. That's a misrepresentation of the history. When you've posted examples in the past, it's often been pointed out to you that the problem lies with the selection of the auto-focus point. The camera is quite capable of tracking moving objects at speeds well in excess of humans walking (as photographs from myself and Doug Franklin, amongst others, demonstrate). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/604 - Release Date: 12/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/604 - Release Date: 12/26/2006 -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
On 12/28/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame on you ;-). Shite - I still will have to do my morning jam routine today. By the way, in the office they agreed that I'd work from home up until jam is over and only then arrive. It makes my air somewhat fresher everyday ;-). That's actually a very practical approach. Saves time, stress, and probably fuel as well. At my office, I sincerely hope for two investments in 2007. One is a home-office solution that will allow people access to their work desktop from Elsewhere. The second is a decent video- and teleconference setup. As usual, gentlemen, one has to take into account the pollution that has to be produced in order to produce these so called non-polluting energy sources. Take for example hybrid cars. I am afraid that if all these batteries it carries are disposed improperly - much damage will be done to the good old Mother Earth. Waste will continue to be a problem for a good while yet. Here's one example: In the fifties, someone invented a new kind of tiles for coating house walls on the outside. It was called Eternite, and were supposed to be virtually maintenance free for generations. It became quite popular in the coastal areas of Norway. Now, two generations later, the Eternite doesn't look very good anymore. The surface of these tiles are rough and is an excellent substrate for moulds. They also go brittle and crack in the winter storms, and replacements can now only be found off other old houses. Reason is that Eternite contains asbesthos. In huge amounts, even. Home owners have to pay loads to have it disposed of properly, or face charges for environmental crime if dumped, even in a proper landfill. However the doomsday will come anyway, regardless ;-). Of course, but it is much more interesting to discuss when and how. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
On 12/27/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating. I stand corrected. Steam-driven cars also attained higher levels of sophistication back then than most people remember. A Stanley steamer held the world land speed record for almost a year in 1906, at over 120 mph. The Doble steam car overcame most of the limitations of previous steamers, with a range of 1,500 miles on a tank of water, a top speed as fast as desired at the time (up to 110 mph was recorded) and a start from cold in 30 seconds, instead of the lengthy raising of steam required on earlier ones. Price and complexity were worse than the internal-combustion engined car, however, and not many were built. -Matt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: *istD AF
For these shots I used Auto Selection of focus points. Because the boys were a bit away from me, it worked surprisingly well (the distance beteen me and the boys didn't change much): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594200497565/show/ The four soccer-shots were taken within 2-3 seconds (according to the the EXIF-data) between 19:35:10 and 19:35:12, July 15th 2006). Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens Bladt Sendt: 28. december 2006 09:25 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: RE: *istD AF Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 27. december 2006 23:14 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Taken from the *istD manual page 74: The camera switches to predictive AF mode automatically when a moving subject is detected in AF.C (Continous mode). Frits Wüthrich On Wednesday 27 December 2006 22:36, Jens Bladt wrote: No, I doubt that this camera does feature predictive AF - it doesn't really track or calculate anything AFAIK. Predictive AF means calculating where the subject will be at the actual time of release - using calculations based on the pattern that a moving object describes on the focus screen. The *ist D does not do such calculations, does it? It's not exactly F16 weapons technolgy :-) Even if it did, it wouldn't work well when the object is moving very directly towards the camera - then there is only VERY little movement to calculate (the movement caused by the subject changing it's size as it's getting closer or farther away). All it does is focus on what ever is close or has high contrast. It's really just a focus trap - that is always a little bit too late. Secondly I never let the camera choose the AF point. I always use the point in the middle. So, this can't be the reason for my shots beeing unsharp either. The only reason I can think of is that it doesn't focus properly on moving objects, because it's too slow. When ever the red square appears, the object is allready out of focus again, before the shutter fires. The K10D and the *ist D does have the same generation AF system, according to dpreview; the SAFOX VIII. I have never heard or read anywhere, that this system had predictive autofocus. The PZ-1 was said to have this (according the the user manual - which says about SERVO mode: The predictive autofocus function is effective in this mode). But I seriously doubt that the camera computer actaully did such focus calculations or really is very predictive. Even if they have just NAMED the servo mode/continuos mode predictable autofucus - it's still not very fast, is it? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af John Francis Sendt: 27. december 2006 21:12 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: *istD AF On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 04:47:49PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photograph - in fact it's excellent! This was not done with continous AF, was it? Well, at some distance any photograph is always sharp. Only not necessarily where you wnat it to be. In my experience the *istD AF/Continuos AF is not fast enough for anything movuing faster than a walking human. I have pointed this out many times on this list. Other list members allways seem to answer me, that shots like this must be done using MF. That's a misrepresentation of the history. When you've posted examples in the past, it's often been pointed out to you that the problem lies with the selection
Re: Pop goes the Epson 2200
On Dec 28, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Next project: empty and reorganize every storage receptacle in my office so I know where everything is again. You can't more forward with your work if you can't find the tools to do it. ;-) Shove everything into one drawer. That way you only need to look in one place. Anything that won't fit in the drawer, you don't need. - Dave (no I don't take my own advice) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
On 27/12/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Heck - some Canons use 45 AF points (giving a different meaning to the word predictive) as well as two separate micro processors especially dedicated to the focusing system (This may be the reason why a lot of action shooters are Canon users). Pentax does not aim to compete with this at all. If they did, they would have improved the AF system - to SAFOX IX or X or whatever. One thing you must remember here is that the Canon system you describe is found on the 1D series, which is an order of magnitude in price above the level that the K10D is set at. It would be more appropriate to compare the K10D to Canon examples such as the 30D. If you want follow- focus ability on a professional level, you cannot expect it at the price point you are using. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What the Hell Are You People Talking About
On 28/12/06, Norm Baugher, discombobulated, unleashed: Norm's been sniffing phone cases again. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Doomsday Hash Browns
4: This week, after years of searching, I finally discovered the secret to excellent hash-brown potatoes. OK Steve, what is it? I'm sitting on the edge of my chair. Kenneth Waller It's a secret! Well, it's a secret known to short-order cooks the world over. I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out, I guess I'm just slow. Boil your potato(es) whole, then store in a cool dry place for a couple of hours. (Refrigerate overnight works too). After the potato is cool and dry, grate it coarsly. It is now ready for frying in butter or oil or combination (to taste) with or without herbs spices (to taste). Turns out, it's the drying that's critical. Of all the combinations of cooking and grating that I tried, that's the one I missed. Now as soon as I finish breakfast and contemplate my part in avoiding or creating global disaster, I'll be ready to unleash my Pentax do some photography--nothing more strenuous than a walk in the park with my K10D today. I hope y'all appreciate how I dragged the subject on topic. STF -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: *istD AF
True, Cotty - my point exactly. When the issue is the AF capability of the K10D - I guess it's fair to say, that it does not represent a vast improvement as far as action shooting is concerned. This camera (or any Pentax camera for that matter) is not especially designated to action shooting. For this purpose other brands offer more obvious choises, allthough at a very different price level. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Cotty Sendt: 28. december 2006 09:47 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: *istD AF On 27/12/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Heck - some Canons use 45 AF points (giving a different meaning to the word predictive) as well as two separate micro processors especially dedicated to the focusing system (This may be the reason why a lot of action shooters are Canon users). Pentax does not aim to compete with this at all. If they did, they would have improved the AF system - to SAFOX IX or X or whatever. One thing you must remember here is that the Canon system you describe is found on the 1D series, which is an order of magnitude in price above the level that the K10D is set at. It would be more appropriate to compare the K10D to Canon examples such as the 30D. If you want follow- focus ability on a professional level, you cannot expect it at the price point you are using. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday Hash Browns
Same with fried rice. Took me a little while to figure that one out. Cheers, Dave On 12/28/06, Steve Farnham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turns out, it's the drying that's critical. Of all the combinations of cooking and grating that I tried, that's the one I missed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Need Help with Epson 2400 setup for CS1
Thanks Godders. That's exactly how I set up now, although with Premium Luster Prints look great. Paul On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I already read that you solved your immediate problem. If you're printing from Photoshop, you should adopt a fully color-manage print workflow using Photoshop as the color controller. As posted in some prior message: 0 - calibrate screen - Photoshop color settings to North America Prepress defaults 1 Print with Preview Color management section - Photoshop manages colors - pick profile for the paper you're using from the popup... eg: SPR2400 Enhanced Matte if you're using Epson Enhanced Matte and the Matt Black inkset - Relative Colormetric - check Black point compensation on - click Print button 3 Epson driver dialog - Print Settings:: pick Enhanced Matte Paper, Color, Advanced mode - Color Management:: pick Off (no Color Adjustment) Godfrey On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I bought an Epson 2400. I'm having trouble getting it set up to work with PhotoShop CS1. My 2200 ColorSynch setup, which worked flawlessly with the 2200, doesn't seem to work with the 2400. I'm testing with BW, since that immediately shows a color cast. Everything is coming up Sepia. I tried switching to North American prepress default as a workflow and Adobe 98 as a colorspace with color management turned off in the Epson print window. BW prints still coming up sepia. Can someone give me their settings? That could save me hours of trial and error, not to mention many dollars worth of paper. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
Nice shots. You have a very big DOF, which also helps. I am shooting sports with the programline for highest shutterspeed, so lowest DOF. With a lens like mine at 150mm that is still f6.7, I am curious what the new f4 60-250mm lens will give for results in actual use. You have made me curious to find out how the *istD and K10D behave also in continous drive mode, which gives the AF system not much time to maintain focus. Perhaps pick a bicycle rider and make the 5 consecutive shots you asked for, and do this for both cameras. And also compare this with single drive mode results. I wish the mail man would stop by and hand me my K10D. Frits Wüthrich On Thursday 28 December 2006 09:47, Jens Bladt wrote: For these shots I used Auto Selection of focus points. Because the boys were a bit away from me, it worked surprisingly well (the distance beteen me and the boys didn't change much): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594200497565/show/ The four soccer-shots were taken within 2-3 seconds (according to the the EXIF-data) between 19:35:10 and 19:35:12, July 15th 2006). Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens Bladt Sendt: 28. december 2006 09:25 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: RE: *istD AF Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 27. december 2006 23:14 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Taken from the *istD manual page 74: The camera switches to predictive AF mode automatically when a moving subject is detected in AF.C (Continous mode). Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
On 28/12/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: True, Cotty - my point exactly. When the issue is the AF capability of the K10D - I guess it's fair to say, that it does not represent a vast improvement as far as action shooting is concerned. This camera (or any Pentax camera for that matter) is not especially designated to action shooting. For this purpose other brands offer more obvious choises, allthough at a very different price level. Well if you are saying that Pentax does not offer a choice in this area then that's true, and one pays one's money and one takes one's choice, as indeed I did a while back. Let's hope that the tie-up with Hoya will lead to better Pentax choices in the coming years :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: *istD AF
Frits wrote: I wish the mail man would stop by and hand me my K10D. I'm sure he will - if you order one :-) I will be ordering mine some time in April - from Germany - TeKaDe or whatever - hoping it's still available at that time. I am planning to skip the 6th holliday week, which will then pay for most of my K10D. This way it's almost free :-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 28. december 2006 12:03 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Nice shots. You have a very big DOF, which also helps. I am shooting sports with the programline for highest shutterspeed, so lowest DOF. With a lens like mine at 150mm that is still f6.7, I am curious what the new f4 60-250mm lens will give for results in actual use. You have made me curious to find out how the *istD and K10D behave also in continous drive mode, which gives the AF system not much time to maintain focus. Perhaps pick a bicycle rider and make the 5 consecutive shots you asked for, and do this for both cameras. And also compare this with single drive mode results. I wish the mail man would stop by and hand me my K10D. Frits Wüthrich On Thursday 28 December 2006 09:47, Jens Bladt wrote: For these shots I used Auto Selection of focus points. Because the boys were a bit away from me, it worked surprisingly well (the distance beteen me and the boys didn't change much): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594200497565/show/ The four soccer-shots were taken within 2-3 seconds (according to the the EXIF-data) between 19:35:10 and 19:35:12, July 15th 2006). Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens Bladt Sendt: 28. december 2006 09:25 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: RE: *istD AF Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 27. december 2006 23:14 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Taken from the *istD manual page 74: The camera switches to predictive AF mode automatically when a moving subject is detected in AF.C (Continous mode). Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Need Help with Epson 2400 setup for CS1
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RE: *istD AF
Yes, perhaps - hopefully - it will. At least the Hoya Pentax HD Corporation controles a lot more muscle as well a larger (planned to come) combined research department :-) BTW: What does HD mean? High Definition? Or is it something like incorporated or ldt ?? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Cotty Sendt: 28. december 2006 12:17 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: *istD AF On 28/12/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: True, Cotty - my point exactly. When the issue is the AF capability of the K10D - I guess it's fair to say, that it does not represent a vast improvement as far as action shooting is concerned. This camera (or any Pentax camera for that matter) is not especially designated to action shooting. For this purpose other brands offer more obvious choises, allthough at a very different price level. Well if you are saying that Pentax does not offer a choice in this area then that's true, and one pays one's money and one takes one's choice, as indeed I did a while back. Let's hope that the tie-up with Hoya will lead to better Pentax choices in the coming years :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Tim, freedom has various definitions. For instance, that of Communist Philosophy has it as follows: freedom is the realized (as in understood, comprehended) need... That of course not to counter your statement in any way, just to point out a little something to think about. You're quite right. On 12/28/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: *istD AF
If it isn't available in April it will be replaced with a better alternative. A mark2, not a downgrade. This is what my crystal ball tells me. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Bladt Sent: 28. desember 2006 13:04 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: *istD AF Frits wrote: I wish the mail man would stop by and hand me my K10D. I'm sure he will - if you order one :-) I will be ordering mine some time in April - from Germany - TeKaDe or whatever - hoping it's still available at that time. I am planning to skip the 6th holliday week, which will then pay for most of my K10D. This way it's almost free :-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 28. december 2006 12:03 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Nice shots. You have a very big DOF, which also helps. I am shooting sports with the programline for highest shutterspeed, so lowest DOF. With a lens like mine at 150mm that is still f6.7, I am curious what the new f4 60-250mm lens will give for results in actual use. You have made me curious to find out how the *istD and K10D behave also in continous drive mode, which gives the AF system not much time to maintain focus. Perhaps pick a bicycle rider and make the 5 consecutive shots you asked for, and do this for both cameras. And also compare this with single drive mode results. I wish the mail man would stop by and hand me my K10D. Frits Wüthrich On Thursday 28 December 2006 09:47, Jens Bladt wrote: For these shots I used Auto Selection of focus points. Because the boys were a bit away from me, it worked surprisingly well (the distance beteen me and the boys didn't change much): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594200497565/show/ The four soccer-shots were taken within 2-3 seconds (according to the the EXIF-data) between 19:35:10 and 19:35:12, July 15th 2006). Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens Bladt Sendt: 28. december 2006 09:25 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: RE: *istD AF Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Frits Wüthrich Sendt: 27. december 2006 23:14 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF Taken from the *istD manual page 74: The camera switches to predictive AF mode automatically when a moving subject is detected in AF.C (Continous mode). Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 12/28/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) Some smart guy said something like my freedom ends where your starts and vice versa. But now we are moving into another debate. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 28. desember 2006 14:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Tim, freedom has various definitions. For instance, that of Communist Philosophy has it as follows: freedom is the realized (as in understood, comprehended) need... That of course not to counter your statement in any way, just to point out a little something to think about. You're quite right. On 12/28/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: *istD AF True, Cotty - my point exactly. When the issue is the AF capability of the K10D - I guess it's fair to say, that it does not represent a vast improvement as far as action shooting is concerned. This camera (or any Pentax camera for that matter) is not especially designated to action shooting. For this purpose other brands offer more obvious choises, allthough at a very different price level. I've been spending some time in my back yard taking pictures of my two puppies cavorting in the snow. For the most part, I am getting in focus pictures using continuous AF. It falls on it's face when my Belgian is running right at me ang gets within about 6 meters or so, but she tends to be running flat out, and is very fast. I doubt very much if the high end Canons would have a better chance in this situation. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: *istD AF Yes, so it seems. Only in the PDF-manaul this is page 72. So, what does it do, when the subject is fixed and YOU move the CAMERA? It may work fine in theory. But in the real world, the images rarely turn out sharp, if the subject is moving. I can say this because I used this camera close to every day for 28 months, releasing the shutter appr. 45000 times. Perhaps the micro chip can cope (which I doubt), but the speed of the whole system is still slow compared to the mayor players in the high end DSLR segment. To me this is not very important, since I don't do sports photography (perhaps the camera limitations are the real reason for this). When I shoot images like these I use manual focus, because I can't release the shutter at the decisive moment if I use AF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594101295335/show/ For pro photographers this is obviously a major issue, since they tend to choose faster cameras. I plan to buy a K10D anyway, regardsless that it is using the same old (2003) SAFOX VIII system. Obviously the speed is is not a huge priority for Pentax. Luckily it's the same for me. Predictive AF is a pretty misunderstood tool. It only works if the subject is moving in a predictable (read: straight line) way, and yes, the AF has to be able to keep up with what is happening. John Francis and Doug Franklin are shooting racing cars using Pentax predictive AF, but I know that most field sports photographers tend to use manual focus. The better ones know the sport they are shooting, and can predictwhere the action will take place and be ready for it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday Hash Browns
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Doomsday Hash Browns Same with fried rice. Took me a little while to figure that one out. Turns out, it's the drying that's critical. Of all the combinations of cooking and grating that I tried, that's the one I missed. If I'm starting with whole potatos, I dry them in the oven after grating them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Need Help with Epson 2400 setup for CS1
On 12/28/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: I had a blocked nozzle last week. We know sod-all about space travel but if you've got a blocked nozzle we're your lads! Geez you are a fan Mark. I had to Google that one. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
That's actually not true. The state took murder quite seriously even in the Wild West, some murders were much more difficult to detect, and apprehension of suspects in those murders that were detected could be much more problematic. Tim Øsleby wrote: Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) Some smart guy said something like my freedom ends where your starts and vice versa. But now we are moving into another debate. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 28. desember 2006 14:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Tim, freedom has various definitions. For instance, that of Communist Philosophy has it as follows: freedom is the realized (as in understood, comprehended) need... That of course not to counter your statement in any way, just to point out a little something to think about. You're quite right. On 12/28/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Just to prevent offending somebody: The Wild West isn't so wild anymore. The practise freedom has changed. I made my smart ass joke, to point to the fact that we have different traditions, and thereby different definitions of freedom. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 28. desember 2006 14:19 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) Some smart guy said something like my freedom ends where your starts and vice versa. But now we are moving into another debate. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 28. desember 2006 14:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Tim, freedom has various definitions. For instance, that of Communist Philosophy has it as follows: freedom is the realized (as in understood, comprehended) need... That of course not to counter your statement in any way, just to point out a little something to think about. You're quite right. On 12/28/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. Tim Øsleby wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html Especially, note the entries for 1900 and 1020. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Electric automobiles of the early 20th century were ladies vehicles, they didn't need a crank starter and a woman could turn one on and drive around town. They suffered from the battery technology of the day, energy density was relatively low, range was limited, and they were relatively heavy due to the lead-acid energy storage. The same battery that made these vehicles viable at all, also made the starter motor possible. Which meant that a lady, with less upper body strength than a man, could simply flip a switch and start the gasoline engine. That pretty much sealed the fate of the electric car. P.J. I do apologize here, but in *early 20th century* no electric automobiles were in existence. Have you experienced close encounters with time distortions lately? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
On 12/28/06 8:59 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. This thread is becoming ever so bizarre day by day :-)) Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What the Hell Are You People Talking About
Things we aren't wise enough to know we can't solve... Bob S. On 12/27/06, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Well, it actually works
My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. More to follow of course. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
- Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) Some smart guy said something like my freedom ends where your starts and vice versa. But now we are moving into another debate. Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose. It is the theory that the anti smoking lobby has used to force the discontinuance of smoking in public places. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
So, what if your attempt to live is limited by those who attempt to have their freedom? DagT Fra: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. Tim Øsleby wrote: Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Well, it actually works My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. Thats funny. I find the grip to be on the small side. The istD is actually a better fit in my hand, even though the body is smaller. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What the Hell Are You People Talking About
I think you've described most politics. Bob Sullivan wrote: Things we aren't wise enough to know we can't solve... Bob S. On 12/27/06, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
Boris, Same here. The grip is a little big after the *ist Ds. Don't wory, it will grow on you. Regards, Bob S. On 12/28/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. More to follow of course. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Stolen from the statement Your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. Though I suppose that would depend on intent to threaten. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) Some smart guy said something like my freedom ends where your starts and vice versa. But now we are moving into another debate. Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose. It is the theory that the anti smoking lobby has used to force the discontinuance of smoking in public places. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? That's actually not true. The state took murder quite seriously even in the Wild West, some murders were much more difficult to detect, and apprehension of suspects in those murders that were detected could be much more problematic. Defining murder seems a bit problematic when firearms enter the equation as well. http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136languageId=1contentId=107276 William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
Exactly. I never met a camera I couldn't get used to. The grip on a Speed Graphic sucks unless you have the flash attached:-). Paul On Dec 28, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris, Same here. The grip is a little big after the *ist Ds. Don't wory, it will grow on you. Regards, Bob S. On 12/28/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. More to follow of course. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
William Robb wrote: John Francis and Doug Franklin are shooting racing cars using Pentax predictive AF, but I know that most field sports photographers tend to use manual focus. It's easy to get the shots you expect with manual focus, but, without AF, it's very difficult to get the shot when the unexpected happens. So for me it tends to depend on exactly where I am around the track, and whether I've got enough light to have useful amounts of DoF at the primary focal distance. The up side, and the down side, is that I'm often panning through large angles to follow the action, which introduces it's own barrel of focus effects. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
I find it just like my PZ-1 which i quite like. Enjoy. Its a good camera, so far.:-) My only gripe is i'm getting the same poor on board flash shots i got with the istD. No flash head to try that out yet, as no word from Sigma Canada. Dave Quoting Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. More to follow of course. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
On 29/12/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. I never met a camera I couldn't get used to. The grip on a Speed Graphic sucks unless you have the flash attached:-). I found the bare P67 easier to grip than the K10D. It's not a case of just getting used to it, the K10D grip design causes smaller hands to be uncomfortably stretched. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: What the Hell Are You People Talking About
William Robb wrote: Whiskey and the freedom to get shitfaced drunk and drive gasoline powered beheamoths into the ever rising oceans of time and space. Title of a future Turner prize winner. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Murder is the unlawful taking of a life, what's unlawful is for politics to define, and courts to decide based on the facts in the case. Think what you will, but it's up to the legislature to decide what is and isn't legal. The NRA couldn't get laws passed if a majority of the people in a state didn't agree with the them, no matter what they might think. There have been some truly egregious examples of felons being shot in self defense later suing the people they attacked, (who were criminally exonerated), then winning huge settlements. The majority were outraged by the results which makes these laws possible. Criminal prosecution of someone who in all events seems to be simply defending themselves also seems to be patently unfair to most people as well. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? That's actually not true. The state took murder quite seriously even in the Wild West, some murders were much more difficult to detect, and apprehension of suspects in those murders that were detected could be much more problematic. Defining murder seems a bit problematic when firearms enter the equation as well. http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136languageId=1contentId=107276 William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
I want some of what you're smoking Paul... Norm Paul Stenquist wrote: That's crap, Bill. You can't assume that restrictive measures will grow more restrictive. History shows exactly the opposite. Once the fear and danger have lessened, the restraints are loosened. It happened in the aftermath of WWII and the aftermath of the cold war. It will happen again. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Camera phone pic
oh look, film effect! :) ann p.s. nicely captured expression - nice grab, Paul Paul Stenquist wrote: My daughter is a huge Chicago Bears fan. So I took her to see the Bears beat the Lions today in Detroit. I shot this pic of her at the game with my Motorola phone. It's not a real high end phone. I believe the camera is 1.3 megapixels. Not bad, I'd say. Paul http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5370227size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
On 24/12/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: I may be in UK around that time. I'm going over to visit my youngest son. I will be going, but the time frame is uncertain at the moment. If I'm there, I'm very keen. March for a London PDML then. Bob W will be game. John? Mike? Steve Jolly? Anyone else?? Hi Guys, A bit late on my reply but yes that would be great, I'll get back with definite dates as soon as I'm able, International flights are booked but internal travel isn't yet defined. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
No Tim, there were very strict rules and laws - such as the Just Needed Killin' law. Norm Tim Øsleby wrote: Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
- Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? I want some of what you're smoking Paul... I'll bet what I'm smoking is better. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Christmas morning
On 26/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About twenty odd folks of the free ranging circle (photography, motorcycles, gay running/walking club, etc) gathered at our apartment yesterday afternoon and into the evening. It was a fine event with much conversation and laughter, amazing food brought by the visitors, good wines. Everything is now cleaned and put away, the furniture restored to its usual places. A fresh cup of coffee on the table next to my reading chair, laptop and book at hand, my partner asleep still. Outside it is grey and chilly, but soft light and quiet. Satori, quiet, peace reign in this moment. May you all have such a morning's moment. Traditionally we hold a very casual Christmas eve party at home, it's a pre-Christmas celebration sans family stresses for friends, this 25 people attended. We had the barbie stoked up and offered traditional Greek lamb souvlakia, chicken skewers, continental sausages, fried halloumi, fresh pita bread, Greek salad with plenty of fetta, tzatziki and a big two potato salad. It was a good night. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pop goes the Epson 2200
Two solutions. Have less stuff or be consistent where you put things. Do as I say, not as I do. Over the last 3 months I spent a cumulative 6-7 hours looking for my passport in anticipation of my upcoming January Paris (and April Australia) trips. I clearly remembered sitting in my desk chair last June. leaning to the right, and placing the passport in travel wallet into... Well it wasn't in the drawer where it should be. So I looked through all drawers, several times, every pocket in every briefcase and camera bag, every coat pocket, etc. Finally found it on my third (near panic) concentrated search, within about 12 inches above where I thought it should be. Had put it on top of the cabinet , in a shoe box of misc blank CD's, rather than in a drawer. Along the way I found a couple of lenses to sell, $250 in Traveler's Checks, a €10 note, the (expired) paperwork for a lens rebate, and various other stuff. Asking my wife for help is typically worthless. Do you know where X is? I ask. She has a predictable reply: well, where did you put it? Stan On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: When I've lost something, I used to ask my wife where I had put it. Now I just ask myself where she would tell me to look. Regards, Bob S. On 12/27/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little off topic, but I just spent three and a half hours taking every f**king drawer and bag apart in my apartment. ... Next project: empty and reorganize every storage receptacle in my office so I know where everything is again. You can't more forward with your work if you can't find the tools to do it. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Murder is the unlawful taking of a life, what's unlawful is for politics to define, and courts to decide based on the facts in the case. Quite often, politicians make decisions based on what will get them re-elected, which may not have much to do with right or wrong, and the courts don't necessarily base their decisions on the facts of the case, or they pick and choose which facts suit the desired result. I suspect that this is more common in places where the judiciary and legal officials (sherrifs, prosecutors and their ilk) have to stand for election. This is why people like David Milgaard spend 20 years in jail. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
On 12/22/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How you gettin down there again Frank?? Um Errr... Well... -frank (better renew that passport - again!) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pop goes the Epson 2200
I tend to leave things were i know they will be later. However, Liz like things kept things neat in the house, and she usually tidies up every few days, and my stuff gets moved. I spend quite a bit of time looking for it again. My work desk ~LOOKS~ messy, but its a Radar O'Reilly filing system, IYKWIM. When i took a week off year ago August, our Admin Assistant tidied up my room. Its been over a year and i still can't find things.LOL Now i have moved into a smaller space at work, and i'm doomed. Dave On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: When I've lost something, I used to ask my wife where I had put it. Now I just ask myself where she would tell me to look. Regards, Bob S. On 12/27/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little off topic, but I just spent three and a half hours taking every f**king drawer and bag apart in my apartment. ... Next project: empty and reorganize every storage receptacle in my office so I know where everything is again. You can't more forward with your work if you can't find the tools to do it. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. If my attempt to live requires (from my POV) exterminating you, you wouldn't object?!? http://www.un.org/rights/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Quoting Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No Tim, there were very strict rules and laws - such as the Just Needed Killin' law. Norm And just after that, the post office was invented, correct.:-) D Tim Øsleby wrote: Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Camera phone pic
Thanks Ann. Mostly luck on the framing and the expression. Pretty hard to see what you're getting with a phone. But I'm amazed that a phone can take decent pics. Heck, I can't even find the lens:-). Paul On Dec 28, 2006, at 10:17 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: oh look, film effect! :) ann p.s. nicely captured expression - nice grab, Paul Paul Stenquist wrote: My daughter is a huge Chicago Bears fan. So I took her to see the Bears beat the Lions today in Detroit. I shot this pic of her at the game with my Motorola phone. It's not a real high end phone. I believe the camera is 1.3 megapixels. Not bad, I'd say. Paul http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5370227size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
You;re confused, that's Georgia. Norm Baugher wrote: No Tim, there were very strict rules and laws - such as the Just Needed Killin' law. Norm Tim Øsleby wrote: Yes. And the Wild West version of freedom is the right to shoot anybody that annoys you ;-) -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
If you can get to New York, maybe something can be worked out... frank theriault wrote: On 12/22/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How you gettin down there again Frank?? Um Errr... Well... -frank (better renew that passport - again!) -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
The Limited series that I have used have a smooth focusing feel very reminiscent of the K lenses... Stan On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:24 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: It sounds to me that what you both really want is good manual focus. Thats what I prefer. AF to me it really only good/necessary with action where you just cant keep up manually focussing. For everything else, which is the majority of stuff in my case, I just want really nice, ultra smooth, manual focusing lenses. Lenses Pentax doesnt make anymore unfortunately. e.g. like the older Pentax K/M type lenses. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: *istD AF This is why the QuickShift focusing mount is so helpful. Its Canon workalike ... full time manual focus ... is one of the details that I miss most moving to the Pentax system. With both of them, you let the camera focus as well as it can, then just tweak the focus that little increment to nail what YOU want perfectly. No fussing around with lock and reframe or manipulating the focus point manually ... This is the primary reason I can't wait for the DA35 and DA55 to be released, and why I still consider trading the FA77 for a DA70. Godfrey On Dec 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Tom C wrote: I was never happy with the camera-selected AF point. How can it possibly know my composition? I'm the 'pre-focus using center point then compose type'. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What the Hell Are You People Talking About
Quoting Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
On 12/28/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been spending some time in my back yard taking pictures of my two puppies cavorting in the snow. For the most part, I am getting in focus pictures using continuous AF. It falls on it's face when my Belgian is running right at me ang gets within about 6 meters or so, but she tends to be running flat out, and is very fast. I doubt very much if the high end Canons would have a better chance in this situation. Like this ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/55471616 wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
Oh my God, you've cut off her ears... Very nice shot, illustrates your point. wendy beard wrote: On 12/28/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been spending some time in my back yard taking pictures of my two puppies cavorting in the snow. For the most part, I am getting in focus pictures using continuous AF. It falls on it's face when my Belgian is running right at me ang gets within about 6 meters or so, but she tends to be running flat out, and is very fast. I doubt very much if the high end Canons would have a better chance in this situation. Like this ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/55471616 wendy -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
No, I'd object violently, but good luck. You seem to have come on the flaw in most enumerations of rights and freedoms when carried to the extreme. Jostein Øksne wrote: On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. If my attempt to live requires (from my POV) exterminating you, you wouldn't object?!? http://www.un.org/rights/ Jostein -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
You've just described democracy, it has it's flaws but most forms of government, (and all that have been tried at one time or another), are worse William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Murder is the unlawful taking of a life, what's unlawful is for politics to define, and courts to decide based on the facts in the case. Quite often, politicians make decisions based on what will get them re-elected, which may not have much to do with right or wrong, and the courts don't necessarily base their decisions on the facts of the case, or they pick and choose which facts suit the desired result. I suspect that this is more common in places where the judiciary and legal officials (sherrifs, prosecutors and their ilk) have to stand for election. This is why people like David Milgaard spend 20 years in jail. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
I don't mind taking Frank to NY. Then i can sleep the rest of the way.:-) Dave Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you can get to New York, maybe something can be worked out... frank theriault wrote: On 12/22/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How you gettin down there again Frank?? Um Errr... Well... -frank (better renew that passport - again!) -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Are you aware that Micronesia might claim the right to bomb the west to pieces because our pollution takes their whole country away if the sea rises? DagT Den 28. des. 2006 kl. 17.42 skrev P. J. Alling: No, I'd object violently, but good luck. You seem to have come on the flaw in most enumerations of rights and freedoms when carried to the extreme. Jostein Øksne wrote: On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. If my attempt to live requires (from my POV) exterminating you, you wouldn't object?!? http://www.un.org/rights/ Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Doomsday Hash Browns for the impatient
If you're in a hurry you can grate raw potatos, then squeeze the excess water out of them by putting the wad of gratings between paper towels and squeezing as hard as you can. It's not as good as really drying them, but it works in a pinch --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
The mileage of the hybrid breed of cars leaves me unimpressed. My Dad was getting 40+ mpg in 1970 with a Renault 10 on the highway at 55 mph (no electric engine in the equation). I was getting 35 mpg combined city/highway 13 years back with an 82 Toyota Tercel. I'll be a little more impressed when there's a doubling of gas mileage, which I suspect is possible. For that matter I'd far prefer an all electric vehicle. Tom C. (talking out the side of my mouth) From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:27:33 +0200 Hi! On 12/27/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developing sustainable low or non-polluting energy sources enabling travel is preferable to not going anywhere, or making everyone live within people-power distance from their employment. I agree that non-polluting energy sources are preferable, but I'd advocate shorter distance from home to work for a far more practical reason; traffic jam. :-) Shame on you ;-). Shite - I still will have to do my morning jam routine today. By the way, in the office they agreed that I'd work from home up until jam is over and only then arrive. It makes my air somewhat fresher everyday ;-). As usual, gentlemen, one has to take into account the pollution that has to be produced in order to produce these so called non-polluting energy sources. Take for example hybrid cars. I am afraid that if all these batteries it carries are disposed improperly - much damage will be done to the good old Mother Earth. However the doomsday will come anyway, regardless ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Thanks for the link Peter. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:03:16 -0500 Read here, 1902 early enough for you? http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarselectrica.htm Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Electric automobiles of the early 20th century were ladies vehicles, they didn't need a crank starter and a woman could turn one on and drive around town. They suffered from the battery technology of the day, energy density was relatively low, range was limited, and they were relatively heavy due to the lead-acid energy storage. The same battery that made these vehicles viable at all, also made the starter motor possible. Which meant that a lady, with less upper body strength than a man, could simply flip a switch and start the gasoline engine. That pretty much sealed the fate of the electric car. P.J. I do apologize here, but in *early 20th century* no electric automobiles were in existence. Have you experienced close encounters with time distortions lately? ;-) Boris -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Hence my point re: greed. In an enviromentally-minded egalitarian society, the good of all would supercede the profit of the few. Being cost-effective is the flip-side of making more profit. Not that it is bad, just that hind-sight is often far-sighted, while forward looking vision tends to be near-sighted. Tom C. From: Matthew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:47:40 -0800 On 12/27/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating. I stand corrected. Steam-driven cars also attained higher levels of sophistication back then than most people remember. A Stanley steamer held the world land speed record for almost a year in 1906, at over 120 mph. The Doble steam car overcame most of the limitations of previous steamers, with a range of 1,500 miles on a tank of water, a top speed as fast as desired at the time (up to 110 mph was recorded) and a start from cold in 30 seconds, instead of the lengthy raising of steam required on earlier ones. Price and complexity were worse than the internal-combustion engined car, however, and not many were built. -Matt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
True, but the energy/pollution involved in creating a given battery is a one-two-three time output (assuming they'll need replaced) compared with ongoing tailpipe emissions over the life of the vehicle. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:06:49 -0500 That should be environmentally, not governmentally but either is more or less true... P. J. Alling wrote: Actually, you have to ask how much it costs governmentally to produce the batteries in the first place. If you're going to do that math to start with that is. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! On 12/27/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developing sustainable low or non-polluting energy sources enabling travel is preferable to not going anywhere, or making everyone live within people-power distance from their employment. I agree that non-polluting energy sources are preferable, but I'd advocate shorter distance from home to work for a far more practical reason; traffic jam. :-) Shame on you ;-). Shite - I still will have to do my morning jam routine today. By the way, in the office they agreed that I'd work from home up until jam is over and only then arrive. It makes my air somewhat fresher everyday ;-). As usual, gentlemen, one has to take into account the pollution that has to be produced in order to produce these so called non-polluting energy sources. Take for example hybrid cars. I am afraid that if all these batteries it carries are disposed improperly - much damage will be done to the good old Mother Earth. However the doomsday will come anyway, regardless ;-). Boris -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?
You obviously dont have a clue as to how hybrid tech works. It give ZERO advantage to highway driving because the whole thing is based on storing/saving energy when you hit the brakes. It improves CITY (stop and go) milage only. I think if you look at the city mileage numbers, it IS pretty impressive. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:32 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? The mileage of the hybrid breed of cars leaves me unimpressed. My Dad was getting 40+ mpg in 1970 with a Renault 10 on the highway at 55 mph (no electric engine in the equation). I was getting 35 mpg combined city/highway 13 years back with an 82 Toyota Tercel. I'll be a little more impressed when there's a doubling of gas mileage, which I suspect is possible. For that matter I'd far prefer an all electric vehicle. Tom C. (talking out the side of my mouth) From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:27:33 +0200 Hi! On 12/27/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Developing sustainable low or non-polluting energy sources enabling travel is preferable to not going anywhere, or making everyone live within people-power distance from their employment. I agree that non-polluting energy sources are preferable, but I'd advocate shorter distance from home to work for a far more practical reason; traffic jam. :-) Shame on you ;-). Shite - I still will have to do my morning jam routine today. By the way, in the office they agreed that I'd work from home up until jam is over and only then arrive. It makes my air somewhat fresher everyday ;-). As usual, gentlemen, one has to take into account the pollution that has to be produced in order to produce these so called non-polluting energy sources. Take for example hybrid cars. I am afraid that if all these batteries it carries are disposed improperly - much damage will be done to the good old Mother Earth. However the doomsday will come anyway, regardless ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday Hash Browns
Sheesh, here in Idaho the potatoes come out of the ground dry already. Tom C. From: Steve Farnham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Subject: Doomsday Hash Browns Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:52:49 -0800 (PST) 4: This week, after years of searching, I finally discovered the secret to excellent hash-brown potatoes. OK Steve, what is it? I'm sitting on the edge of my chair. Kenneth Waller It's a secret! Well, it's a secret known to short-order cooks the world over. I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out, I guess I'm just slow. Boil your potato(es) whole, then store in a cool dry place for a couple of hours. (Refrigerate overnight works too). After the potato is cool and dry, grate it coarsly. It is now ready for frying in butter or oil or combination (to taste) with or without herbs spices (to taste). Turns out, it's the drying that's critical. Of all the combinations of cooking and grating that I tried, that's the one I missed. Now as soon as I finish breakfast and contemplate my part in avoiding or creating global disaster, I'll be ready to unleash my Pentax do some photography--nothing more strenuous than a walk in the park with my K10D today. I hope y'all appreciate how I dragged the subject on topic. STF -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. Now you're treading into religion's territory. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Some of you seem to claim that freedom is more important than the climate. My answer is simple: I hereby declare my own and my children's right to live. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) My thoughts regarding smoking exactly. My right to breathe clean air supercedes anyone else's right to soil it. My favorite No Smoking sign: Please Don't Smoke. People are trying to Breathe. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
On Dec 28, 2006, at 7:57, graywolf wrote: http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html Especially, note the entries for 1900 and 1020. 1020! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday Hash Browns
I have never made has browns from scratch as it is easier and cheaper to start with the frozen ones. Most restaurants use the frozen ones too. On the other hand fried left over mashed potatoes are also pretty good with breakfast. Actually, I have done pretty well with home fries by microwaving the potato for 3 minutes, chopping it up, (I like to leave the skins on, but they peel off the hot potato real easily if you want to remove them) and frying it with onions and green peppers in bacon grease. You can of course fry them from raw, but that takes more than twice as long. I also have taken to nuking a large potato for 3 minutes, then baking it for 15-20 minutes in the heating oven (turned on just before putting the potato it the microwave. Save lots of energy compared to heating the the oven to 475 (actually 425 here at 3000') and baking (more than an hour total). Had one smothered in chili for last nights supper. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose. It is the theory that the anti smoking lobby has used to force the discontinuance of smoking in public places. William Robb And I agree with that 100%. Tom C. (fart) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
NewsAlert!
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
1920 Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 28, 2006, at 7:57, graywolf wrote: http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html Especially, note the entries for 1900 and 1020. 1020! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
We we're talking about dogs, not polar bears. Tom C. From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: *istD AF Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:30:13 -0500 On 12/28/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been spending some time in my back yard taking pictures of my two puppies cavorting in the snow. For the most part, I am getting in focus pictures using continuous AF. It falls on it's face when my Belgian is running right at me ang gets within about 6 meters or so, but she tends to be running flat out, and is very fast. I doubt very much if the high end Canons would have a better chance in this situation. Like this ;-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/55471616 wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
On 28/12/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I've been spending some time in my back yard taking pictures of my two puppies cavorting in the snow. For the most part, I am getting in focus pictures using continuous AF. It falls on it's face when my Belgian is running right at me ang gets within about 6 meters or so, but she tends to be running flat out, and is very fast. I doubt very much if the high end Canons would have a better chance in this situation I don't do much photography if this sort, but I have shot a couple of football (soccer) matches. Once with the D60, and once with the 1DmII. The difference was overwhelming, but I put that down to the 'ancient' technology in the D60. Having used the *ist Ds, I now appreciate how good the AF in the 1D is. I've said it many times in the past, but if I knew then what I know now, I would not have purchased a new D60, I would have gone for a used 1D (yes, the original 4MP camera). The quick reaction of the AF is pretty impressive, in both low light and low contrast subjects. I'll bring the 70-200 2.8 so Bill can have a play at GFM. All we need now is a few snarling dogs... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
When did extremists use that kind of logic. Let´s wait and see what kinds of people they come up with when some countries almost disappear. My guess is that in that case it may be ugly. Regarding boats they´d have some sympathy from other countries in similar but not that bad situations, or simply want to take advantage of the situation. There´s enough of them. DagT Den 28. des. 2006 kl. 19.32 skrev P. J. Alling: If they manage to do that, and the global warming models they based their action on are proved wrong, who'll be left to send ships to take them to safety. when the ice melts anyway? DagT wrote: Are you aware that Micronesia might claim the right to bomb the west to pieces because our pollution takes their whole country away if the sea rises? DagT Den 28. des. 2006 kl. 17.42 skrev P. J. Alling: No, I'd object violently, but good luck. You seem to have come on the flaw in most enumerations of rights and freedoms when carried to the extreme. Jostein Øksne wrote: On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. If my attempt to live requires (from my POV) exterminating you, you wouldn't object?!? http://www.un.org/rights/ Jostein -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Question about DNG
Hi! I've been doing some shooting with DNG + JPEG today. The lens used was Tamron 28-75/2.8. The focal length is written in DNG meta data but lens name is not. Is it because it is DNG that has no provision for such info or is it something more serious? Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: NewsAlert!
Wonderful, my life is now complete. Tom C wrote: Our venerable Father Pentax has just announced the release of an outstanding product due to meet with mass market approval and generate huge profits, far outstripping design and development costs: http://www.pentaximaging.com/footer/news_media_article?ArticleId=9524619 Pictures at: http://www.pentaxtech.com/Products/scanners.html Get one now or get on a waiting list. :-) Tom C. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
If they manage to do that, and the global warming models they based their action on are proved wrong, who'll be left to send ships to take them to safety. when the ice melts anyway? DagT wrote: Are you aware that Micronesia might claim the right to bomb the west to pieces because our pollution takes their whole country away if the sea rises? DagT Den 28. des. 2006 kl. 17.42 skrev P. J. Alling: No, I'd object violently, but good luck. You seem to have come on the flaw in most enumerations of rights and freedoms when carried to the extreme. Jostein Øksne wrote: On 12/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no right to live, there is a right to attempt to live. If you had the right to live you could not die. If my attempt to live requires (from my POV) exterminating you, you wouldn't object?!? http://www.un.org/rights/ Jostein -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Question about DNG
On 12/28/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing some shooting with DNG + JPEG today. The lens used was Tamron 28-75/2.8. The focal length is written in DNG meta data but lens name is not. Is it because it is DNG that has no provision for such info or is it something more serious? Probably simply that the lens is a non-pentax lens. It obviously has enough brains to feed back its focal length, but whatever lens identification code it sends out doesn't match anything that the camera firmware knows about. So it leaves the field blank. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Question about DNG
Hi! Probably simply that the lens is a non-pentax lens. It obviously has enough brains to feed back its focal length, but whatever lens identification code it sends out doesn't match anything that the camera firmware knows about. So it leaves the field blank. Mat, what you say would make sense, but it turns out that my *istD is fully aware of the name of this lens. It does report Tamron 28-75/2.8 XR DI in EXIF info of its PEF files. This is exactly the thing that does puzzle me here. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 27, 2006, at 9:27 AM, graywolf wrote: Some of the ice seems to be melting, some of it seems to be getting thicker. I have found nothing to confirm that the ice cap averages over a mile. I do know that it is over a mile think in some places, but that is hardly an average. Any realistic information I have found about the ice caps overall melting faster than normal can be translated to Who knows?. I see that you are now an environmental scientist. Got there without a high school degree too, if past conversation is any evidence. Amazing. Some of the most pompous, dumbest, and most ill informed people I know have a college education, some of them with advanced degrees. On the flip side, some of the warmest, smartest people I know do not. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'll bring the 70-200 2.8 so Bill can have a play at GFM. All we need now is a few snarling dogs... I'll bring a Nikon and my 70-200VR F2.8 for comparison.All of them perform very fast with that lens. Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *istD AF
On 28/12/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll bring a Nikon and my 70-200VR F2.8 for comparison.All of them perform very fast with that lens. Now we need something with tall ears, a high-pitched voice, that moves very fast. Hwho am I thinking of? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
I found the answer. It was of course on the BBC. Just one cow gives off enough harmful methane gas in a single day to fill around 400 litre bottles http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_604/newsid_6046900/6046962.stm also http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/animals/newsid_2809000/2809755.stm The above was one item from the link 100 Things We Didn't Know Last Year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/index.html#a007948 Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:35:01 -0500 1920 Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 28, 2006, at 7:57, graywolf wrote: http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html Especially, note the entries for 1900 and 1020. 1020! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: NewsAlert!
I just thought you'd want to know. :-) Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: NewsAlert! Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:53:07 -0500 Wonderful, my life is now complete. Tom C wrote: Our venerable Father Pentax has just announced the release of an outstanding product due to meet with mass market approval and generate huge profits, far outstripping design and development costs: http://www.pentaximaging.com/footer/news_media_article?ArticleId=9524619 Pictures at: http://www.pentaxtech.com/Products/scanners.html Get one now or get on a waiting list. :-) Tom C. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Crossed polarization techniques
ann sanfedele wrote: instead of using flashes, can you set up two light sources at 45 degree angles with polarizing sheets on them? The angle for maximum glare reduction is 90 degrees. In other words, one polarizer oriented vertically, and the other oriented horizontally. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Crossed polarization techniques
Bill wrote: It does work, very well. You want biggish light sources, preferably a pair of studio lights with pan reflector and diffuser. I don't know if it makes a difference which side of the diffuser the polarizer is on, but you need them to be in aimed the same direction. The polarizer must be in front of the diffuser. The light emitted by your light source travels through the diffuser first, and then through the polarizer. Otherwise, your diffuser with un-polarize your polarized light. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, it actually works
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 08:24:42AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Well, it actually works My K10D that is. Made some test shots. Some are somewhat underexposed (on the historgram). But when I was reviewing the JPEGs (shooting RAW + JPEG) the images were surprisingly realistic. I am slightly frustrated with the form of the grip for the hand. My hand is not big enough to hold it comfortably. Thats funny. I find the grip to be on the small side. The istD is actually a better fit in my hand, even though the body is smaller. William Robb The K10D definitely feels as though it would be better with the grip attached (although perhaps I'm just used to having a grip; my *ist-D feels tiny if I take the grip off). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Crossed polarization techniques
Barry Rice wrote: Hey Folks, Has anyone on this list experimented with cross-polarization flash techniques? Basically, you put a linear polarizing sheet in front of your flash, and a linear polarizing filter in front of your lens. Orient the two filters at 90 degrees to each other. Yes, I've used this technique. You can actually use a circular polarizer on the lens, if you happen to have one already. If you are using continuous lighting instead of flash, this might help your camera with metering more accurately. I've noticed a tiny warming or cooling effect when using the circular polarizer. (Whether it's warmer or cooler, seems to depend on how you rotate the polarizer.) It isn't immediately obvious to most people, and you could probably easily ignore it. It is a rather small effect. Personally, I prefer using linear polarizers in both locations. I just live with the meter being off, and compensate for the exposure. For maximum effect, the only light sources involved should be polarized light sources. If you have some daylight streaming through a window, for example, it can kill most of the effect, because the daylight won't be polarized. One side effect will be the effect of metallic objects sometimes appearing black, or having black highlights, because the cancellation of light was total on the metallic surface. Colors can look very saturated with this technique. It sometimes leads to very unnatural looking results. One final note: If you orient both polarizers the same way, you can actually -enhance- the amount of glare or gloss in a scene. For example, if you were photographing a glazed ham in a product shot, it might make the glazing look glassier. take care, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
