Re: practical implication of flat fields -- Help needed.

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: Igor Roshchin
Subject: practical implication of flat fields -- Help needed.



 Hello everybody!

 I think I understand what flat field lens means.
 (e.g. per http://www.wisner.com/myth.htm )
 My question: what is the _practical_ implication of the lens with a
 very flat field?

 More specifically, - if I were to use the D-FA 100/2.8 Macro as a
 portrait lens - what would be the drawbacks/side-effects/...?
 Both the theoretical description/explanation and personal experience
 with this lens in this particular regard are appreciated.

Ron's description is pretty accurate.
I'm sure he would be glad to know that...
Anyway, in practical terms, it should make quite a good, though perhaps 
sharper than is desirable, portrait lens on film, and the same on DSLR, 
except that it might be a bit longer than you want.
This was shot with the A100/2.8 lens on film many, many years ago:
http://pug.komkon.org/02jun/virginia.html.
The web image is nice, the 8x10s were to die for.
I realize that this isn't the same lens as you were asking after, but I 
expect they aren't too far from each other in rendering abilities.
This was shot with the FA200/4.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/dogportraits/lhchih01.jpg
As you can see, it does quite well as a portrait lens, given the right 
subject.

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Re: Rebates on K10Ds--it figures!

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: David Savage
Subject: Re: Rebates on K10Ds--it figures!


 Soft!

 I would have to have been in a coma AND had one foot over the threshold of
 deaths door to keep me from playing with my K10D. :-)

 For me, new gear is better than antibiotics  chicken soup.

Man, you are going to think you've died and gone to heaven at GFM.

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Re: PESO: Listen

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/3/2007 1:41:37 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, I don't know if she was  listening or waiting for a reply to 
something pithy, but her expression is  rather intense.
Shot with the K10, and A85mm  f/1.4
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/listen.html

Enjoy

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That's a very nice shot. I like her hand. But it  does appear to be 
excessively grainy. OTOH, I like it quite a bit.

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Re: Peso: Th'ol Catfish Hole

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/3/2007 11:23:39 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A summer afternoon spent on  that point across the creek with a bamboo
pole, a jug cork bobber and a #2  tomato can of worms fresh from the
garden, is a day that doesn't count  against your life.

Jack (in a maudlin  mood)

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I  think this looks peaceful, but I'd probably like it better cropped a bit. 
I am  very puzzled, however. That green shadow/reflection in the water (in 
about the  middle) doesn't seem to correspond to what is on the bank above it. 
It 
almost  seems to be reflecting a person or a tree, but I see no person or  
tree.

Or maybe it is the fish that got away.

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Re: PESO: Listen

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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Subject: Re: PESO: Listen



 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/listen.html


 ===
 That's a very nice shot. I like her hand. But it  does appear to be
 excessively grainy. OTOH, I like it quite a bit.


Thanks Marnie. You must be using an LCD. On my CRT, it looks fine (thats 
what I use for editing), but you are right, when I move it to my LCD, it 
does look quite noisy.
I'll try processing the file again tomorrow. I expect I applied too much 
sharpening.
Thanks for looking, and for the constructive comments
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Re: Need a good monitor! (see post end for cliffnotes)

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/3/2007 8:11:52 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I currently have a Nec Multisync  FE950 CRT based around the old
Diamondtron NF series of tube. It's a great  monitor. Sharp as a tack
with beautiful color rendition, still as bright and  sharp as the day I
got it 8 years ago. Realistic maximum res it can handle is  1360x1024 @
85hz. 1600x1200 is sharp enough but at 75Hz it starts to hurt  after a
whole.

snip

There HAS to be a decent LCD  display out there for not too much money.
Or a good CRT still in production.  What has the list used and what
should be avoided?

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I  once had a Nec Multisync monitor that seemed to last forever. So when I 
finally  broke down and got a LCD for my desktop (and I also got a new desktop) 
I got a  Nec LCD. I like it a lot. But it wasn't cheap, it was in the $350-450 
range. I  can't recall really. Maybe a tad more. However, I was just ready to 
spend at  that point. I think it has very faithful color rendition.

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/3/2007 8:18:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

True, but then the 80's came along and wrecked everything, music  wise.

Dave

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Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer  for. 

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Re: GESO - Hot Rods in the sun

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/29/2007 9:33:00 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://www.primelensphoto.com/car%20show/index.html

-Brendan

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Bit  late, but better... well, whatever. :-) Some very nice shots! Crisp and  
colofrul. I especially like the steering wheel make me think of old car  ads.

Marnie aka Doe  Hmmm, dating myself again.  

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RE: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Bob W
 But I learned a few things.  I 
 have no momentum.  As soon as the grade changes to up, I'm 
 back in low 
 gear.  

Cadence and spinning are the key things here. You need to learn to
spin at about 85-90 rpm and change gear in time to maintain that
cadence. It makes cycling much easier. You shouldn't ever feel as
though you're really pushing the pedals unless you're going up a long
steep hill and you're already in bottom gear.

If you have derailleur gears front and back there is a lot of overlap
on them, so it helps to learn how and when to double-shift so that you
maintain similar spacing through the range and don't have sudden jumps
that leave you spinning too fast or pushing too hard after a gear
change.

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 Yeah, it inspired me to go out and buy a trailer for the 
 kids.  Went to 
 the local bike shop and looked at something called a d'Lite.  After 
 adding a stroller conversion kit and a rain screen the total came to

 well over $500.  Schlepped my fat ass back to the SUV and drove to 
 Target.  Bought a Schwinn trailer, stroller conversion and 
 rain screen 
 included, for less than a third the price of the d'Lite.  Put it 
 together as soon as we got home, all the while Megan, our 4 
 year old, is 
 dancing around me asking Is it done yet?  You're taking too 
 long.  Can 
 you fasten my helmet?  Granted, it's not as nice as the bike shop 
 trailer, but the squeals of joy and constant laughter coming 
 from behind 
 me as we took it for a ride reassured me that it didn't 
 matter how much 
 I paid for it.  We did a nice, easy pace for about a mile or 
 so.  Every 
 time we passed someone out for a walk she started yelling 
 I'm riding in 
 a trailer!  I'm riding in a TRAILERR!  Fun times.  I had 
 trouble convincing her that it was bed time and she needed to get
out.
 
 After the bed time routine was completed I went out for 
 another ride.  
 Did about 5.2 miles according to google maps.  About 1 
 straight mile was 
 a gradual descent.  Man that was fun!  I even kept up with traffic.

 Coming back was a bitch.  I'm spent.  But I learned a few things.  I

 have no momentum.  As soon as the grade changes to up, I'm 
 back in low 
 gear.  I'm too fat and don't have the horsepower, but I guess 
 this is a 
 good way to remedy that.  I also need to move the saddle back 
 an inch or 
 two, but it's all the way back as it is.  Plus, as much padding as I

 have, there is apparently none under my sit bones.  Looks like a new

 seat is in order.
 
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OT: Card Reader for Linux

2007-05-04 Thread Brian Walters
Hi all

Anyone out there using a multi-card reader under Linux?

I've got a multi boot system (Windows XP/Ubuntu 6.1) and while I've got most 
peripherals working with Ubuntu, my el-cheapo, no-name card reader isn't 
recognised.

I'm prepared to go out and buy a new one but I want to be sure it will be 
recognised in Linux.  I need a reader that handles at least SD, CF and XD cards.

Any suggestions?



Cheers

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 04/05/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You shouldn't ever feel as
 though you're really pushing the pedals unless you're going up a long
 steep hill and you're already in bottom gear.

LOL, just ask Frank ;-)

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Re: The Future of Pentax -- Great news!

2007-05-04 Thread David Mann
On May 4, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Cotty wrote:

 On 3/5/07, AlexG, discombobulated, unleashed:

 There will be two (2) you heard it, at least two new DSLR's coming  
 out
 in the Fall, that will not conflict with the K100 or the K10D!

 For goodness sake. Meet the K1000D and the K1D.

Or the K1D and K0.1D.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread David Mann
On May 4, 2007, at 5:29 AM, graywolf wrote:

 For only a few hundred bucks you can save almost an ounce on your  
 ride.

I read in a book that if you're trying to reduce weight, a good  
laxative will save you several thousand dollars in bike-part upgrades.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread David Mann
On May 4, 2007, at 3:09 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=PXPVwvf04K

 Now ~that's~ a freaking bike...

Excuse me, I need to change my trousers.  That bike is pornography.   
What ratio are you running on it?

Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her  
extensively during the weekend (no Mark!ing this sentence out of  
context!).

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Re: OT: Card Reader for Linux

2007-05-04 Thread S J
hi brian,

i am on slackware 11 (with the latest stable kernel) and using a
multicard reader is no big deal really. you need to make an entry in
/etc/fstab and then mount it like you would any other media (hard
drives, cdrom etc.). i'd have thought that something like ubuntu would
do it automagically. :)

am at work now but can send you the details later in the day. if you
are in a hurry, google should do the rescue act :)

regards, subash

On 5/4/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all

 Anyone out there using a multi-card reader under Linux?

 I've got a multi boot system (Windows XP/Ubuntu 6.1) and while I've got most 
 peripherals working with Ubuntu, my el-cheapo, no-name card reader isn't 
 recognised.

 I'm prepared to go out and buy a new one but I want to be sure it will be 
 recognised in Linux.  I need a reader that handles at least SD, CF and XD 
 cards.

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Re: The Future of Pentax -- Great news!

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Fairweather
What about the *D  or theKIst??

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Re: OT: Card Reader for Linux

2007-05-04 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Subash

Thanks for that - I'm not in a hurry so I'd appreciate any futher details when 
you have the time.

Ubuntu picked up most of my peripherals automatically but not the reader.

I thought about editing fstab but I'm a bit unsure of the correct syntax for 
the reader.

I have done a bit of Googling but there seems to be conflicting (and sometimes 
incomprehensible) advice.  Some readers get recognised on boot up but some 
don't.  I'm not adverse to the command line or editing config files but I think 
some of the advice is written in Klingon



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting S J [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 hi brian,
 
 i am on slackware 11 (with the latest stable kernel) and using a
 multicard reader is no big deal really. you need to make an entry
 in
 /etc/fstab and then mount it like you would any other media (hard
 drives, cdrom etc.). i'd have thought that something like ubuntu
 would
 do it automagically. :)
 
 am at work now but can send you the details later in the day. if
 you
 are in a hurry, google should do the rescue act :)
 
 regards, subash
 
 On 5/4/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all
 
  Anyone out there using a multi-card reader under Linux?
 
  I've got a multi boot system (Windows XP/Ubuntu 6.1) and while
 I've got most peripherals working with Ubuntu, my el-cheapo,
 no-name card reader isn't recognised.
 
  I'm prepared to go out and buy a new one but I want to be sure it
 will be recognised in Linux.  I need a reader that handles at least
 SD, CF and XD cards.
 
  Any suggestions?
 
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800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

2007-05-04 Thread Roman
http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

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PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
Sorry, I was going to hold off on more PESOs  until next week. Because I've 
felt that taken up a lot of bandwidth this week.  But...

The teacher liked most of my shots. Except he felt some had flat  light and 
should be reshot. I am not so thrilled about that, as I don't like to  slow 
down and revisit when I am on a roll. However, one I might.

The  wetlands one he wanted more wetlands, although liking the  composition.

Bruce wanted more mothballed fleet. 

This was shot  the same time as the other one. It may actually be better than 
Wet Lands #1,  although I liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can see the 
same ducks on an  island in the middle.

So I am now curious, Bruce, do you like this one  better?  

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm

Comments  welcome.

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SD Cards Shintaro brand

2007-05-04 Thread jim
Picked up A shintaro brand SD card 2GB Extreme speed for $55 AU . Had 150X on 
the packet.

Anybody heard or used one of these? 
I have tried continous shooting on my K10D saveing RAW PEF. fired off about 10 
shots before slowing down.
is this consistant with extreme III cards from sandisk?

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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like this. Nice composition, interesting subject.
Paul
On May 4, 2007, at 5:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry, I was going to hold off on more PESOs  until next week.  
 Because I've
 felt that taken up a lot of bandwidth this week.  But...

 The teacher liked most of my shots. Except he felt some had flat   
 light and
 should be reshot. I am not so thrilled about that, as I don't like  
 to  slow
 down and revisit when I am on a roll. However, one I might.

 The  wetlands one he wanted more wetlands, although liking the   
 composition.

 Bruce wanted more mothballed fleet.

 This was shot  the same time as the other one. It may actually be  
 better than
 Wet Lands #1,  although I liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can  
 see the
 same ducks on an  island in the middle.

 So I am now curious, Bruce, do you like this one  better?

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

Nice. I nearly got discs. Do they get mudded up / need more servicing?

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Re: The Future of Pentax -- Great news!

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

Or the K1D and K0.1D.

Dinner plate + hat = waiting  :-)

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OT: Your favorite Slide show/DVD/video/swiffer etc.with music/audio creater?

2007-05-04 Thread Jens Bladt
I have been using Wondershare Slide Show Builder. It's not very good.
A am currently trying Pro Show Stadndard and ProShow Gold, which seem a lot
better.
It's easy to syncronize the show with the audio files - and the MPEG movies
ca be played in Pover Point 2000.
Which do you guys use/prefere/recommend, please?

regards
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Re: Antique car show in town, this year something different

2007-05-04 Thread David J Brooks
I found somew info on the web, and its Sept 15th.

No show that weekend

Whoo Hoo.

I have 3, 2gig cards currently

Dave

On 5/3/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:

  They have been allowed by town council to stage a mock battle.
 
  Man i hope they have it on an off weekend again.
 
  This will really test the K10D SR mode.:-)

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On May 4, 2007, at 3:09 AM, frank theriault wrote:

  http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=PXPVwvf04K
 
  Now ~that's~ a freaking bike...

 Excuse me, I need to change my trousers.  That bike is pornography.
 What ratio are you running on it?

49 tooth chainring, 17 tooth cog.  That puts it in the mid-70's
gear-inches, which is a medium gear for a road bike.  If you get a
nice spin going, you can cruise at about 40km/h, if you go nuts you
can do 50 km/h (my few tries at a 200 metre flying sprint I was in the
high 13's, which worked out to about 50 km/h), yet it's a small enough
gear to climb pretty much hill that downtown Toronto can throw at me.

 Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

Peh!  Gears.  Brakes.  Knobbie tires...

 I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her
 extensively during the weekend (no Mark!ing this sentence out of
 context!).

Well, I've never done any off-roading.  When I see a bike like that, I
tell myself that I really should give it a try sometime.  Looks like
fun!!

Seriously, lovely (if industrial looking) bike!

cheers,
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Re: OT: Your favorite Slide show/DVD/video/swiffer etc.with music/audio

2007-05-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Jens Bladt wrote:

I have been using Wondershare Slide Show Builder. It's not very good.
A am currently trying Pro Show Stadndard and ProShow Gold, which seem a 
lot
better.
It's easy to syncronize the show with the audio files - and the MPEG 
movies
ca be played in Pover Point 2000.
Which do you guys use/prefere/recommend, please?

Photo to Movie:
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 4/5/07, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

 Nice. I nearly got discs. Do they get mudded up / need more servicing?

I think one of the advantages of discs is that they stay much cleaner
and mud-free than rim-brakes.  That would be because of their
location, some 14 inches from the ground.

As far as maintenance, rather than cables, they're hydraulic, so one
must be careful of leaks.  I don't know that they're more maintenance,
but I'd guess they're different mainenance.

They are extremely powerful.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipAnd a  nice change from bikes.snip

Say what?

:-0

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Re: OT: Your favorite Slide show/DVD/video/swiffer etc.with music/audio creater?

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
I play the music with Windows Media Player and manually click through
the images using XP's Picture  Fax Viewer.

I never had slide shows when I shot film, and I don't do them now.

Cheers,

Dave

On 5/4/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have been using Wondershare Slide Show Builder. It's not very good.
 A am currently trying Pro Show Stadndard and ProShow Gold, which seem a lot
 better.
 It's easy to syncronize the show with the audio files - and the MPEG movies
 ca be played in Pover Point 2000.
 Which do you guys use/prefere/recommend, please?

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/3/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suspect it depends on where you are. Greenwich here is a little bit
 of a cycling hub and I see all sorts of nice stuff locked and left
 unattended. I'm not too worried about leaving mine unattended - I have
 a secure lock and insurance. The bike's replacement cost would be over
 US$1,000 at current rates here.

 One guy who works in one of the local shops leaves a lovely
 custom-built Roberts Audax tethered up outdoors all day every day
 while he's at work.
 http://www.robertscycles.com/largeviews/audax1.html That's at least
 US$3,000 worth of bike at current exchange rates, but it doesn't look
 like it unless you know a little bit about these things. Over here
 bike thieves know their market - which is mainly mountain bikes.


It does depend where you are.  The coffee shop that I often hang out
at, the Jet Fuel, is a roadie hangout.  $6000 Cervelos, Colnagos,
Merlins and Lightspeeds are regularly locked up outside.  Most guys
have a tiny little Kryptonite (only about 3 inches wide) to lock a
wheel to the frame (one can only freelock with them, but still, it's a
deterrance).  They're small enough to easily fit into a jersey pocket.

Some couriers here in Toronto ride pretty nice bikes.  Most that do
use New York style locks, made of large hardened-steel links locked
with the above-mentioned small Kryptonite.  Porno Stevie, centre, has
his around his waist:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RgEjLRTLY4I/AIs/yfHjvjBdlL4/s1600-h/freeland.jpg

They're a bit heavy, but it feels so good when you take it off!

;-)

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Re: OT: Card Reader for Linux

2007-05-04 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Fri, 4 May 2007, Brian Walters wrote:

 Hi Subash

 Thanks for that - I'm not in a hurry so I'd appreciate any futher details 
 when you have the time.

 Ubuntu picked up most of my peripherals automatically but not the reader.

 I thought about editing fstab but I'm a bit unsure of the correct syntax for 
 the reader.

 I have done a bit of Googling but there seems to be conflicting (and 
 sometimes incomprehensible) advice.  Some readers get recognised on boot 
 up but some don't.  I'm not adverse to the command line or editing 
 config files but I think some of the advice is written in Klingon


I've got a multi-card reader (Using Centos-4, a clone of Redhat 
Enterprise 4).  It wouldn't see anything other than the CF slot until I 
added the following lines to /etc/modprobe.conf:

options scsi_mod max_luns=8

Apparently, the multi-card readers look like multiple SCSI LUNs... 
but not many other SCSI things do... thus the default to only scan one 
LUN.

Some parsing of 'dmesg' or /var/log/messages might be in order to 
fully figure it out.

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Re: Peso: Th'ol Catfish Hole

2007-05-04 Thread Jack Davis
That shadow is one of a line of large trees, most of which are set a
little further back.
I remember thinking that I would have opened the scene slightly had the
lens allow it. I indicated the lens was a 16~45, but just after
uploading, remembered I'd changed to a A70~210 f/4. 
This is really a quick grab and I have no plans for it beyond this
posting. Still, I'm interested in how you would crop it.
Thanks for comments, Marnie.

Jack
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 A summer afternoon spent on  that point across the creek with a
 bamboo
 pole, a jug cork bobber and a #2  tomato can of worms fresh from the
 garden, is a day that doesn't count  against your life.
 
 Jack (in a maudlin  mood)
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=223
 
 
 
 I  think this looks peaceful, but I'd probably like it better cropped
 a bit. 
 I am  very puzzled, however. That green shadow/reflection in the
 water (in 
 about the  middle) doesn't seem to correspond to what is on the bank
 above it. It 
 almost  seems to be reflecting a person or a tree, but I see no
 person or  
 tree.
 
 Or maybe it is the fish that got away.
 
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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Jack Davis
I think I like this somewhat better. The additional mothball fleet is
well placed. While not major elements, the two Killdeer or Sandpipers,
or (?) in the foreground are nice elements and the scene certainly
looks wetter.

Jack
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 Sorry, I was going to hold off on more PESOs  until next week.
 Because I've 
 felt that taken up a lot of bandwidth this week.  But...
 
 The teacher liked most of my shots. Except he felt some had flat 
 light and 
 should be reshot. I am not so thrilled about that, as I don't like to
  slow 
 down and revisit when I am on a roll. However, one I might.
 
 The  wetlands one he wanted more wetlands, although liking the 
 composition.
 
 Bruce wanted more mothballed fleet. 
 
 This was shot  the same time as the other one. It may actually be
 better than 
 Wet Lands #1,  although I liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can
 see the 
 same ducks on an  island in the middle.
 
 So I am now curious, Bruce, do you like this one  better?  
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm
 
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Re: Rebates on K10Ds--it figures!

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Man, you are going to think you've died and gone to heaven at GFM.

Not long to go now.

Although after my recent trip I'm not looking forward to the 17 hour
flight from Singapore to Vancouver.

But a good dose of camera therapy will perk me back up :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Custom WB for istD etc question

2007-05-04 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 30/04/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, thats what i am doing,with the image editor, but, i was just
 curious why after the repair, and redoing the custom WB I'm not
 getting the same results.

Dave, I have no answers to your questions however I did stumble across
a page that I though may be of interest to you and anyone else looking
at IR shooting using Pentax DSLRs:

http://www.xdeltax.com/tutirdsvsk10d/index.html

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Re: PESO: Another dog picture

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
He's getting big fast. Weren't Jester  Bella of a similar size not so long ago?

Nice shot's of a couple of good looking animals.

Cheers,

Dave

On 5/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/jester/mayday_dogs.html

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:


I think one of the advantages of discs is that they stay much cleaner
and mud-free than rim-brakes.  That would be because of their
location, some 14 inches from the ground.

That's true but I discs can get scored if you get grit between the disc
and the pads. I wondered if this could be a big problem or none at all...

They are extremely powerful.

Power. Tools. Toys. :-)

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FS: 24-50 35-105 zooms, Super A P5 bodies

2007-05-04 Thread Joe Wilensky
A few items for sale. Photos available on request.

* Pentax Super A body. EXC+ condition. This camera feels and operates 
like new. It's technically the exact same camera as the Super 
Program, but it somehow feels like a Super Program Limited in all 
black. I can include a standard Pentax strap, along with the deluxe 
European Camera of the Year 1983 strap that was available. Front 
finger grip, body cap, original Pentax case and instruction manual 
included.
Price: $150 including shipping/insurance in the continental U.S.

* Pentax P5/P50 body, EX condition, fully functional, includes front 
grip: $60 including shipping/insurance in the continental U.S. I also 
have the very small SMC-A 35-70mm f/3.5-4.5 push/pull zoom lens to go 
with this camera if desired for an additional $40.

* Pentax SMC-F 24-50mm f/4 lens. EX condition. Pentax front and rear 
caps included. Price: $125 includes shipping/insurance in the 
continental U.S.

* Pentax SMC-A 35-105mm f/3.5, KEH EX+ condition. Pentax
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Re: PESO: blah blah blah here, blah blah blah there

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/3/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/3/07, Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=482278166size=o

 I like it!  Love the repeating pattern of the two pairs of conversationalists.

Ditto.

Cheers,

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Re: Temptation...

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I know it's a fine, unique lens, I wouldn't spend the money on
 something like that. I'd use it for a week and then forget I owned it.

I do own it and in general I agree. But I find myself on occasion in
very tight spots where the AOV comes in really handy, and the
distortion isn't a problem.

And if you shoot panoramas (like I do) you can do 360 degrees in as
little as 3 shots.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Scott Loveless
 -- Original message --
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Some couriers here in Toronto ride pretty nice bikes.  Most that do
 use New York style locks, made of large hardened-steel links locked
 with the above-mentioned small Kryptonite.  Porno Stevie, centre, has
 his around his waist:
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RgEjLRTLY4I/AIs/yfHjvjBdlL4/s1600-h/
 freeland.jpg
 
 They're a bit heavy, but it feels so good when you take it off!
 
I've seen it before, but I can't recall if I commented on it.  That's an 
amazingly good photograph, Frank.

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Re: 800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: 800x533-_IGP7214.jpg


 http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

 After a long winter, green looks so refreshing.

That is refreshing. Very calm and pastoral.
I think you have applied the sharpening a bit heavily, you might want to 
tone it down a bit.

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Judging Photos



 True, but then the 80's came along and wrecked everything, music  wise.


 =
 Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer  for.


Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work and Dire 
Straits on the world..
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Re: PESO: Another dog picture

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage
Subject: Re: PESO: Another dog picture


 He's getting big fast. Weren't Jester  Bella of a similar size not so 
 long ago?

Yup
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/page1/page1.html


 Nice shot's of a couple of good looking animals.

Thanks Dave. He's pretty much everything I've wanted in a dog.

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread wendy beard
On 5/2/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my good site)
 K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded, but I guess
 about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
 I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact of the
 heavy weather.

I think it's great. The bird really looks miserable, trudging along
the beach. Collar up, wings in its pocket :-)

Wendy

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Re: PESO: Another dog picture

2007-05-04 Thread wendy beard
On 5/3/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For those of you who are not on my Jester spam list.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/jester/mayday_dogs.html


My, he's a good looking boy. Nice and trim too.
Bella's a lot cuter though :-)

Wendy

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Re: Custom WB for istD etc question

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: Digital Image Studio
Subject: Re: Custom WB for istD etc question



 Dave, I have no answers to your questions however I did stumble across
 a page that I though may be of interest to you and anyone else looking
 at IR shooting using Pentax DSLRs:

 http://www.xdeltax.com/tutirdsvsk10d/index.html

That is so totally cool. I know I have an IR cut filter in my 4x5 kit. I 
think this is going to be a year of experimentation.

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

 On 5/2/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my  
 good site)
 K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded,  
 but I guess
 about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
 I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact  
 of the
 heavy weather.

 I think it's great. The bird really looks miserable, trudging along
 the beach. Collar up, wings in its pocket :-)

Yes, indeed. There is something very expressive about its posture.  
Might be a little more effective if the color were desaturated a  
touch or rendered to monochrome, but I like it as is too.

Godfrey
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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Paul.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)
===
I like this. Nice composition, interesting  subject.
Paul
On May 4, 2007, at 5:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 This was shot  the same time as the other one. It may  actually be  
 better than
 Wet Lands #1,  although I  liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can  
 see the
 same  ducks on an  island in the middle.

 So I am now curious,  Bruce, do you like this one  better?

  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm

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Re: SD Cards Shintaro brand

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: jim
Subject: SD Cards Shintaro brand


 Picked up A shintaro brand SD card 2GB Extreme speed for $55 AU . Had 150X 
 on the packet.

 Anybody heard or used one of these?
 I have tried continous shooting on my K10D saveing RAW PEF. fired off 
 about 10 shots before slowing down.
 is this consistant with extreme III cards from sandisk?


That's pretty close to any card put into the K10. What tells the tale is how 
fast the camera can fire after the buffer fills.

With an ExtremeIII card, you can shoot continulous jpegs until the card is
full, or 10 RAW until the buffer fills, and then about 3 frames every couple
of seconds after that. It shoots a couple of frames, then pauses for a
moment, then repeats.
The performance with an UltraII card is only slightly poorer. You can still
shoot full res jpegs continuously until the card fills, or 9 RAW until the
buffer fills, and then 1fps after that.
Using a blue Sandisk card, I can shoot 9 RAW in a row, and then one shot
every ~2 seconds.
Shooting jpeg, it's 26 shots, then a 2 second wait, then a couple of shots,
2 second wait, etc.

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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Jack. I think I am stupidly bothered by  the bush on the left 
detracting from all the horizontal lines. But I have  decided it is way too 
much 
trouble to remove. Only so much creative gardening  I can do.

It probably is better than the first shot I showed. It is  considerably 
wetter, anyway. ;-)(  
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands1.htm).

Are they  sandpipers? I was wondering.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

===
I  think I like this somewhat better. The additional mothball fleet is
well  placed. While not major elements, the two Killdeer or Sandpipers,
or (?) in  the foreground are nice elements and the scene certainly
looks  wetter.

Jack
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 Sorry, I was  going to hold off on more PESOs  until next week.
 Because I've  
 felt that taken up a lot of bandwidth this week.  But...
  
 The teacher liked most of my shots. Except he felt some had flat  
 light and 
 should be reshot. I am not so thrilled about that,  as I don't like to
  slow 
 down and revisit when I am on a  roll. However, one I might.
 
 The  wetlands one he wanted  more wetlands, although liking the 
 composition.
 
 Bruce  wanted more mothballed fleet. 
 
 This was shot  the same  time as the other one. It may actually be
 better than 
 Wet Lands  #1,  although I liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can
 see the  
 same ducks on an  island in the middle.
 
 So I am  now curious, Bruce, do you like this one  better?  
 
  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm
 
  Comments  welcome.
 
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Re: PESO: Another dog picture Now OT.

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: wendy beard
Subject: Re: PESO: Another dog picture




 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/jester/mayday_dogs.html


 My, he's a good looking boy. Nice and trim too.

He doesn't get to go to the drive through very often. It helps with the 
youthful figure.

 Bella's a lot cuter though :-)

Do you really think so?
I'm thinking there might be a little bias going on here. g
Seriously, she is a lovely little dog. She's a bit narrow across the chest, 
we are hoping she will be a late bloomer and get a little more breadth, but 
at 15 months now, I'm not sure how much more drop we are going to see. Right 
now she is just a bit over 40 pounds at 22 inches, and is at her perfect 
weight.
We aren't worried about her structure, she may not be a show stopper, but 
she LOVES agility. Charmi is having a blast with her.
Jester does have a great structure, his front feet are still quite turned 
out, though he can now hold them straight if he wants to. Rotties don't fill 
out until they are 18 months or more. He is 25-26 inches now, and in the 95 
pound range. He still has a small amount of growth spur on his front legs, 
he might hit 27 inches before he is done. The males from his lines are all 
very big boys, muscular and brawney and in the 120 to 130 pound range.
I have a feeling he will be a show stopper, he turned a lot of heads last 
month at Battleford. The Band City show is coming up on the Victoria Day 
weekend, and will be his last show as a puppy. The weekend after GFM is our 
show, but he will just have turned a year a few days prior, so will be 
entered in the 12-18 month class. He'll be at a disadvantage because he will 
most likely be coming up against some dogs closer to maturity.
So it goes.
The Yorkton show in late August has a Rottie specialty, and we are putting 
him into that one as well.
After that, I have no plans to show him again until 08, though we will be in 
the Penticton area in September when they run their show, and I am toying 
with the idea of entering him one day just for larfs.
The biggest issue I am having with him now is getting him to not jump on 
every other dog that he comes into view of. I have a bad feeling that I may 
never be able to trial him past his PCD because of his tendency to leave the 
ring to bounce on some poor little poodle.
Bella is downright dog aggressive, and cuts no animal any slack. They get 
close enough, and she nails them.
Jester is merely play dominant, but the result is similar.

To bring this back on topic, do you own a bicycle?

Have fun
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Re: SD Cards Shintaro brand

2007-05-04 Thread P. J. Alling
You get nine raw regardless according to the specifications for the 
camera.  I'd hope that the K10d would do better with a high speed card.  
But then I don't have one yet.

jim wrote:
 Picked up A shintaro brand SD card 2GB Extreme speed for $55 AU . Had 150X on 
 the packet.

 Anybody heard or used one of these? 
 I have tried continous shooting on my K10D saveing RAW PEF. fired off about 
 10 shots before slowing down.
 is this consistant with extreme III cards from sandisk?

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread P. J. Alling
David Mann wrote:
 (no Mark!ing this sentence out of  
 context!).
Mark!

Where's the fun in that?

David Mann wrote:
 I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her  
 extensively during the weekend
Mark!


David Mann wrote:
 On May 4, 2007, at 3:09 AM, frank theriault wrote:

   
 http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=PXPVwvf04K

 Now ~that's~ a freaking bike...
 

 Excuse me, I need to change my trousers.  That bike is pornography.   
 What ratio are you running on it?

 Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

 I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her  
 extensively during the weekend (no Mark!ing this sentence out of  
 context!).

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 4, 2007, at 1:34 AM, David Mann wrote:

 Excuse me, I need to change my trousers.  That bike is pornography.

Just an excitable boy...

 Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg

Kind of the military humvee of bicycles ... a clean, mechanical  
beauty to it. Very nice.

 I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her
 extensively during the weekend (no Mark!ing this sentence out of
 context!).

LOL

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:33:07 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 5/2/07, Tim Øsleby  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my good  site)
 K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded,  but I guess
 about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
 I was light on the  contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact of the
 heavy  weather.

I think it's great. The bird really looks miserable, trudging  along
the beach. Collar up, wings in its pocket  :-)

Wendy

=
Such a great description, I took a second  look. You know you're right, he 
does look exactly like that.

Okay, Tim, I  like #1 better.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:56:40 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 True, but then the 80's came  along and wrecked everything, music  wise.


  =
 Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer   for.


Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work  and Dire 
Straits on the world..
WW 

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Judging Photos



 True, but then the 80's came  along and wrecked everything, music  wise.

 
  =
 Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer   for.

 
 Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work  and Dire 
 Straits on the world..
 WW 
 
 ==
 And the Red  Hot Chili Peppers as well.
 

California has much to answer for.
Yes indeed.

OTOH, we are responsible for April Wine, Anne Murray and Celine Dion.
The world is an imperfect place.

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FS Friday: Pentax and Vivitar zooms

2007-05-04 Thread Mark Roberts
I have realized that I once again have too many lenses. Not too many 
for photographic purposes or too many from a philosophical point of 
view; I'm just talking about shelf space and domestic tranquility.

So I'm offering up two very interesting items: A Vivitar 70-210 Series 
one - the second version, made by Tokina. Constant f/3.5 aperture, 1:4 
macro, 62mm filter thread. It's a great lens, well deserving of the 
reputation for Vivitar's Series 1 line. (I have a copy of version 3 and 
I've decided I don't need to get into collecting these things.) Note 
that this lens has no A setting, so DSLR users will be operating in 
Green Button land. Go for it if you're man enough ;-)

Some paint wear on the body, glass is perfect. $50.00 + paltry shipping 
costs.

The next item is one I bought last year just out of curiosity without 
knowing what it was. It's a CPC Phase 2 70-200 f/4.0 zoom. When I got 
it I couldn't believe that it wasn't a Pentax lens. It's a dead ringer 
for the A 70-210/4.0 in appearance and overall construction, which is 
to say superb. If it went to 210mm instead of 200 I would have 
suspected that it was the same lens under a different brand. And I just 
found out it *is* a Pentax lens. It's one of the non-SMC lenses (though 
it clearly has coating/multicoating of *some* kind) Pentax marketed in 
the 80s. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/technology/non-SMC.html

Like the A 70-210/4 it goes to 1:4 magnification. It's built like a 
tank and in damned-near-perfect condition. Even the old JCII sticker 
is nearly immaculate. Yours for the more-than-reasonable price of 
$60.00 + whatever the humble servants of the US Postal Service deem 
necessary to transport it to your current location.

More information on the lens:
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_non-SMC/index.html
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_non-SMC/cpc_70-200f4.html

For those interested in seeing some test shots from these lenses, have 
a look here:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/temp.htm
There are about 1.5 megabytes of images on this page. All test shots 
handheld at 1/1600 sec, f/8, ISO 400. Converted at identical white 
balance settings, with some minor levels adjustment afterwards. No 
sharpening at all applied.

My take is that the two lenses are very close in the center at 70mm, 
but the Vivitar has better resolution in the corners. At 200mm the 
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Adam Maas
Cotty wrote:

On 4/5/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

I think one of the advantages of discs is that they stay much cleaner
and mud-free than rim-brakes.  That would be because of their
location, some 14 inches from the ground.



That's true but I discs can get scored if you get grit between the disc
and the pads. I wondered if this could be a big problem or none at all...
  


Same problem as getting grit stuck in your brake pads, except you only 
need a new rotor rather than a new wheel

They are extremely powerful.



Power. Tools. Toys. :-)

  

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OT: A real tragedy

2007-05-04 Thread Norm Baugher
I heard about this yesterday, I'm still a bit in shock:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6623895.stm

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather




 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594
 I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact
 of the
 heavy weather.

 I think it's great. The bird really looks miserable, trudging along
 the beach. Collar up, wings in its pocket :-)

Yes, indeed. There is something very expressive about its posture.
Might be a little more effective if the color were desaturated a
touch or rendered to monochrome, but I like it as is too.

He looks like he is trudging home through a blizzard after a long day at the 
factory, knowing that there is just a bowl of cold thin gruel awaiting when 
he gets there because the heat got cut off because they had to choose 
between heat and medicine to save the life of baby Bird.
A very sad life for Mr. Bird.
No happiness.
No songs.
I think Tim has made some very good choices here regarding the level of 
saturation, I think a little less saturation in the seaweed or whatever it 
is in the foreground would improve the picture by making it even more 
depressing.

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Re: PESO: Another dog picture Now OT.

2007-05-04 Thread Doug Brewer
William Robb wrote:
 To bring this back on topic, do you own a bicycle?
 
 Have fun
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How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me how 
to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I figure that 
part would not be a major problem.

So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been 
tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have worked well.  

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm  
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed? 

How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the horizon on 
the same plane)? 

If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do you think 
it would take? How much  do you try to overlap?

I am totally clueless on this one.

TIA,  Marnie aka Doe :-)  If I don't have to invest in a lot of additional  
equipment, maybe I will try one  someday.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread wendy beard
On 5/3/07, AlexG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyway, I hope we can all sign on for this, (set goal, set plan, and
 stick to it by reporting progress). Who's in?


I started on a plan in February, trying to get back into shape. Canada
turned me into a lard-arse. Used to bike every day, then moved here
and hardly bike at all.
Dropped 10 lbs so far but still need to shift another 20 at least.
Got myself a personal trainer 'cos I'm lazy. I'll go to the gym but
only do stuff I like doing. Trainer pushes me harder and makes me run.
I hate running. I have about 6 more sessions booked. Trainer's a
footballer (not real football, that pretend one where there's just a
lot of shoving and commercial breaks). Used to play for the Renegades,
now exiled to Saskatchewan. that's as far as my interest in CFL goes
:-)
Old pic of one of my bikes (custom tourer)
http://www.beard-redfern.com/bikerdog/pages/111-1161_IMG.html
and the other (hybrid)
http://www.beard-redfern.com/bikerdog/pages/111-1165_IMG.html
and the dog of course :-)


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Re: PESO: A Friday night in Sclessin

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/30/2007 12:59:14 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Very, very nice. Are those people really  not bothered  by being near the
 smokestacks? 

The locals know that once the  smokestacks will be gone, another great
number of jobs will be gone as well.  Besides, they're high enough to be
of no concern to the immediate vicinity.  The stadium and the people
living nearby have their daily dose of poison  delivered directly from
the plant at the foot the  smokestacks:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/6506220

Ralf

===
Egad!  Hey, that's a great shot too. I like it better than the stadium one. 
Maybe  you've shown it before, but I don't remember it. Nice seeing the houses 
through  the cra... smoke billowing out. Really makes the shot.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: OT: A real tragedy

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I heard about this yesterday, I'm still a bit in shock:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6623895.stm


I'll raise a glass in Rose's memory...

thanks, Norm,
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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Tripod highly, highly recommended, though you can do without.  A beanbag on 
a rock, fence-post or car door can suffice.  A level is recommended - but 
you can pick up a small one at your local hardware store at  $5.00 I'm 
sure.  Number of pictures depends on your lens, of course,  Overlap 1/5-1/4 
of the image.

Most important - find your exposure settings, then set them MANUALLY - as 
you pan, auto-exposure may vary and you don't want that.  You want identical 
exposure frame-to-frame.  Hustle if the light is quickly changing (say dawn 
or dusk).

Maris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been
 tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have
 worked well.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

 Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed?

 How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the
 horizon on the same plane)?

 If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do
 you think it would take? How much  do you try to overlap?

 I am totally clueless on this one.

 TIA,  Marnie aka Doe :-)  If I don't have to invest in a lot of
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Re: PESO: blah blah blah here, blah blah blah there

2007-05-04 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Thanks Dave

On 5/4/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/3/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 5/3/07, Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=482278166size=o
 
  I like it!  Love the repeating pattern of the two pairs of 
  conversationalists.

 Ditto.

 Cheers,

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?


In an ideal world, the camera will be on a perfectly leveled tripod, with 
the rotation point exactly under the rear nodal point of the lens.
If your panoramic involves objects near to the camera, then you need to try 
to be fairly close to the ideal world situation.
As Rob proved the other day, it is possible to shoot very nice panoramics 
hand held, while holding an active baby.
I put a 2 exposure stitched image up the other day which was shot hand held 
with a 400mm lens, and it was fine also.
With the examples you posted, I expect that careful hand holding will work. 
You want lots of overlap, between 1/4 and 1/3 of the exposures should be 
redundant, IIRC.
The biggie is to shoot manual exposure and don't make any exposure adjust 
ents after the initial exposure. Density matching will be a bear if the 
exposures vary from frame to frame.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote:

On 5/4/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

On May 4, 2007, at 3:09 AM, frank theriault wrote:



http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=PXPVwvf04K

Now ~that's~ a freaking bike...
  

Excuse me, I need to change my trousers.  That bike is pornography.
What ratio are you running on it?



49 tooth chainring, 17 tooth cog.  That puts it in the mid-70's
gear-inches, which is a medium gear for a road bike.  If you get a
nice spin going, you can cruise at about 40km/h, if you go nuts you
can do 50 km/h (my few tries at a 200 metre flying sprint I was in the
high 13's, which worked out to about 50 km/h), yet it's a small enough
gear to climb pretty much hill that downtown Toronto can throw at me.
  

You're obviously in better shape than I, I'm running 44x16 right now, 
but I also have delusions of one day climbing the Bathurst St hill at 
Davenport on the way home.


Now, enough of these pansy road bikes.
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/enduro.jpg



Peh!  Gears.  Brakes.  Knobbie tires...

  

I just got her back from a servicing and I plan to ride her
extensively during the weekend (no Mark!ing this sentence out of
context!).



Well, I've never done any off-roading.  When I see a bike like that, I
tell myself that I really should give it a try sometime.  Looks like
fun!!

Seriously, lovely (if industrial looking) bike!

cheers,
frank

  

Offroading can be a lot of fun, although I suspect cross might be more 
your style than a freeride bike like that (designed more for the North 
Shore in BC than what we get here in TO)

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me 
how 
to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I 
figure that 
part would not be a major problem.

So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway?

Well http://www.robertstech.com/panorama.htm
Short version: With dedicated stitching software, even inexpensive 
stuff, you can often do good panoramas from handheld shots.

If you're shooting JPEGs, manual white balance and manual exposure are 
critical. (For Raw shooters, white balance isn't important but manual 
exposure is still a good idea though not essential)

A tripod is a very good idea if at all possible.

Dedicated pano heads are valuable, especially if you have prominent 
foreground subjects.

The subject you showed is actually a very good candidate for a handheld 
pano.


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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Jack Davis
That bush doesn't bother me at all. One reason may be it's left side
balance against the Convoy of mothball ships. The background hills
however, do that very well on their own.
Sandpipers was just one of my guesses. Sorry, I don't know. Their shape
doesn't look unlike them..at least in this tiny form.
Shore Birds(generically speaking) ;)

Jack
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 Thanks, Jack. I think I am stupidly bothered by  the bush on the left
 
 detracting from all the horizontal lines. But I have  decided it is
 way too much 
 trouble to remove. Only so much creative gardening  I can do.
 
 It probably is better than the first shot I showed. It is 
 considerably 
 wetter, anyway. ;-)( 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands1.htm).
 
 Are they  sandpipers? I was wondering.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)
 
 ===
 I  think I like this somewhat better. The additional mothball fleet
 is
 well  placed. While not major elements, the two Killdeer or
 Sandpipers,
 or (?) in  the foreground are nice elements and the scene certainly
 looks  wetter.
 
 Jack
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  Sorry, I was  going to hold off on more PESOs  until next week.
  Because I've  
  felt that taken up a lot of bandwidth this week.  But...
   
  The teacher liked most of my shots. Except he felt some had flat  
  light and 
  should be reshot. I am not so thrilled about that,  as I don't like
 to
   slow 
  down and revisit when I am on a  roll. However, one I might.
  
  The  wetlands one he wanted  more wetlands, although liking the 
  composition.
  
  Bruce  wanted more mothballed fleet. 
  
  This was shot  the same  time as the other one. It may actually be
  better than 
  Wet Lands  #1,  although I liked #1's simplicity. Note that you can
  see the  
  same ducks on an  island in the middle.
  
  So I am  now curious, Bruce, do you like this one  better?  
  
   http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wetlands2.htm
  
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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me how
 to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I figure that
 part would not be a major problem.

 So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been
 tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have worked well.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

 Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed?

 How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the horizon on
 the same plane)?

 If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do you think
 it would take? How much  do you try to overlap?

 I am totally clueless on this one.


You should have been at GFM last year to hear Mark's lecture on the subject.

I was pretty much nodding off during most of it, as personally I have
no interest in panos, but I recall him saying that the less work you
make the programme do, the better results you're likely to get, and
faster, too.

I do recall him saying something about the nodal point of lenses (must
like Bill said).  One can get special panning heads for that purpose,
IIRC.

I forget (or rather, never heard) the rest of what Mark said, but he
showed lots of pretty pictures...

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How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Walter Hamler
Marnie, I simply shoot with about 50% overlap from pic to pic. I have never 
used a tripod. I find it best to use a normal angle FL, ie, not an extreme 
WA as the distortion in the corners can lead to problems. If you do us a 
real wide lens just use more overlap.
Another trick I learned is to shoot verticals and then when stitched to get 
the pano with a little more vertical coverage if you need it.
Also, shoot in manual exposure. Take a shot to get the correct setting for 
the center of the field, then use the same exposure from first to last.

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Re: Custom WB for istD etc question

2007-05-04 Thread David J Brooks
Interesting.

I found this on a goggle search

Randall Cipriano
05-02-2007, 08:10 AM
Thanks Nestor.

I always shoot RAW but I still set the custom WB. Except for the last
image (I forgot to switch to RAW) which is a straight off the camera
Jpeg (minus the bit of flaring I removed).

I used a shifted tungsten WB (+2 Green +2 blue) on the AWM photos. For
the Sagada IRs, I used the custom spot WB on something sunlit
green technique.

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 Subject: Re: Custom WB for istD etc question



  Dave, I have no answers to your questions however I did stumble across
  a page that I though may be of interest to you and anyone else looking
  at IR shooting using Pentax DSLRs:
 
  http://www.xdeltax.com/tutirdsvsk10d/index.html

 That is so totally cool. I know I have an IR cut filter in my 4x5 kit. I
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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

2007-05-04 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you all. This has been an interesting read.
The picture has turned the tough guy, Mr. Robb into a poet. That speaks for 
itself ;-)
I'm blushing :-)
Anyway, you seem to have nailed what I was communicating.

Now I'm going into the sunset looking for a place to set up my tipi for a 
night or two.
Hopefully it will result in more pictures.

Tim Typo
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 Subject: Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather




 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594
 I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact
 of the
 heavy weather.

 I think it's great. The bird really looks miserable, trudging along
 the beach. Collar up, wings in its pocket :-)

 Yes, indeed. There is something very expressive about its posture.
 Might be a little more effective if the color were desaturated a
 touch or rendered to monochrome, but I like it as is too.

 He looks like he is trudging home through a blizzard after a long day at 
 the
 factory, knowing that there is just a bowl of cold thin gruel awaiting 
 when
 he gets there because the heat got cut off because they had to choose
 between heat and medicine to save the life of baby Bird.
 A very sad life for Mr. Bird.
 No happiness.
 No songs.
 I think Tim has made some very good choices here regarding the level of
 saturation, I think a little less saturation in the seaweed or whatever it
 is in the foreground would improve the picture by making it even more
 depressing.

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me how
 to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I figure that
 part would not be a major problem.

 So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been
 tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have worked well.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

 Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed?

Not always. If I'm out with my tripod, I'll have my pano head  hot
shoe spirit level with me  I'll use it:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/LBracket/Misc_009_1.htm

This shot was made using the above setup:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_025.htm

But if I'm just out and about and I think the scene deserves the pano
treatment, I can get away with hand held.

This is one of my most recent (4 shots hand held):
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/HillarysBH_002.jpg

and here is an older 6 shot hand held:
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/TSM_004_2.jpg

I had to spend quite some time cloning in sky for this one. This is
what the original stitched image looked like:
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/TSM_002.jpg

Where the tripod/pano head comes into it's own is when your shooting
with close in foreground objects. Parallax error then becomes a real
pain, and while you can stitch the shots together, it takes a lot of
time warping, stretching  cloning to correct for the shift in
perspective between frames. You may save time at the shooting stage,
but it'll cost even more time in front of the computer later.

 How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the horizon on
 the same plane)?

Landmarks in the scene  the markings in the viewfinder if I'm working
hand held. If I'm using the pano rig, I level the tripod with a bulls
eye level, and then I level the camera  tripod head with a 2 axis hot
shoe mounted spirit level

 If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do you think
 it would take?

Depends on the focal length  how many frames are needed to cover the scene.

 How much  do you try to overlap?

Generally I aim for at least 25%, but I've got away with less.

 I am totally clueless on this one.

 TIA,  Marnie aka Doe :-)  If I don't have to invest in a lot of additional
 equipment, maybe I will try one  someday.

Just give it a go. Even just using a tripod and rotating the camera
will work as long as there aren't too many close in objects. That's
how I did this 360 degree sequence:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_014.htm

And if shooting hand held try and rotate the camera around the front
element of the lens, not around the centreline of your body.

Also, try this program:

http://www.photo-freeware.net/autostitch.php

It's free and much quicker  easier to use than Photoshop.

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread David J Brooks
Check out Mark Roberts site.

He has a tutorial, and it was part of his presentation at last years GFM

Dave

On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me how
 to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I figure that
 part would not be a major problem.

 So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been
 tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have worked well.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

 Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed?

 How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the horizon on
 the same plane)?

 If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do you think
 it would take? How much  do you try to overlap?

 I am totally clueless on this one.

 TIA,  Marnie aka Doe :-)  If I don't have to invest in a lot of additional
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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:13:37 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I forget (or rather, never  heard) the rest of what Mark said, but he
showed lots of pretty  pictures...

cheers,
frank

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Like, you're real  helpful, man.

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: Re: Judging Photos

  True, but then the 80's came along and wrecked everything, music  wise.
 

  =
  Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer  for.
 

 Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work and Dire
 Straits on the world..
 WW


Oi! Dire Straits ain't an Aussie group. You can blame the Poms for that one.

Men at Work...well...fair enough (but I still like  Land Down Under)

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread David Savage
On 5/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:56:40 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  True, but then the 80's came  along and wrecked everything, music  wise.
 

   =
  Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer   for.
 

 Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work  and Dire
 Straits on the world..
 WW

 ==
 And the Red  Hot Chili Peppers as well.

Sorry, RHCP is good music. :-)

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Re: Judging Photos

2007-05-04 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote:

On 5/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:56:40 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


True, but then the 80's came  along and wrecked everything, music  wise.

  

 =
Sad, but true. MTV has a lot to answer   for.

  

Blame the Aussies, they are the ones who foisted Men at Work  and Dire
Straits on the world..
WW

==
And the Red  Hot Chili Peppers as well.



Sorry, RHCP is good music. :-)

Dave (At the moment listening to Stadium Arcadium)

  


And they're also from LA, not Down Under.

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:38:16 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Check out Mark Roberts  site.

He has a tutorial, and it was part of his presentation at last  years GFM

Dave

==
Will do. And thanks, William, Maris,  and Mark.

The scenes I showed, there was more, obviously. It would  probably make a 
good 90 degree pano, and maybe I could have done that one  handheld.

However, Scott Valley, where my Dad grew up and where I visited  last 
October, would make a great pano. And I could almost do a 360 degree one  
there, at 
least a 180 degree. It's a very simple scene, cattle ranches and alpha  fields 
with a few scattered barns, but it is all flat and completely surrounded  by 
mountains. So it is much more impressive than a single shot can show and it  
would be ideal for a pano.

I tried last year (handheld), but didn't know  what I was doing and there no 
way it can be stitched together.

I didn't  do the manual exposure thing, and now that you have all mentioned 
it, it makes  perfect sense. One slight shift in color/exposure and the whole 
thing is shot. I  also didn't overlap enough.

But I am planning to visit again next  August/Sept and would like to try to 
get it.

Will visit Mark's site and  print out your posts.

Thanks, Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Everyone, is pretty much talking about stiching images, but how about
when your subject needs to be capture in an instant and you don't have
a choice to shoot more that one photo (I'm think strong waves hitting
a shoreline or animals/people moving). If you upsize a K10D file to
double and crop panorama you should be able to print a nice 10x24 or
so, never didn't but should work.

I was just reading this guy's blog today
(http://pentaxk10dblog.blogspot.com) and he is talking about the Katz
Eye focusing screen with panorama lines (too expensive for me, but I
guess someone that likes this technique might justify the price).

Anyway, just another approach.


On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't mean the stitching together part; I have  PS books that tell me how
 to do that. And I am good enough with PS (Elements  anyway) that I figure that
 part would not be a major problem.

 So how do  you guys do panoramas anyway? Up until now I have not been
 tempted, but the  other day I came across a scene that would have worked well.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field2.htm
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/field1.htm

 Tripod always,  right? Is a level needed?

 How do you make sure that you remain on the  same plane (get the horizon on
 the same plane)?

 If you were going to  shoot a 180 degree shot, how many pictures do you think
 it would take? How much  do you try to overlap?

 I am totally clueless on this one.

 TIA,  Marnie aka Doe :-)  If I don't have to invest in a lot of additional
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You're obviously in better shape than I, I'm running 44x16 right now,
 but I also have delusions of one day climbing the Bathurst St hill at
 Davenport on the way home.
snip

Me?

Better shape than you?

Was there ever any doubt?

;-)

Seriously, I just checked, and my 49x17 translates to 77.82 gear
inches, while your 44x16 is 74.25.  I know the hill to which you
refer, and it is a bit of a pig:  steep, but thankfully short.  Ya
just gotta get up a head of steam!  ;-)  I guess due to my days as a
courier, I still have remnants of semi-decent cardiovascular
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Re: 800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

2007-05-04 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Is that or where Roman lives, trees have an awful amout of halos ;-)

On 5/4/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/800x533-_IGP7214.jpg
 
  After a long winter, green looks so refreshing.

 That is refreshing. Very calm and pastoral.
 I think you have applied the sharpening a bit heavily, you might want to
 tone it down a bit.

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Re: PESO - Wet Lands #2

2007-05-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:23:54 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
oo.com writes:
That bush doesn't bother me at all.  One reason may be it's left side
balance against the Convoy of mothball  ships. The background hills
however, do that very well on their  own.
Sandpipers was just one of my guesses. Sorry, I don't know. Their  shape
doesn't look unlike them..at least in this tiny form.
Shore  Birds(generically speaking) ;)

Jack

=
Yeah, that bush  is balanced out by the mountain and the ships. So it isn't 
too bad and probably  looks fine. But the big ugly bush, different variety, in 
sort of the same place,  in front of the railroad track, but right smack dab 
in the middle wasn't fine.  Ergo, that was why I didn't show this photo first 
(cloning takes  time).

Hehehehe. Sometimes nature just doesn't cooperate.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
 
 I've seen it before, but I can't recall if I commented on it.  That's an 
 amazingly good photograph, Frank.

blush

Thanks!

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Re: PESO: Another dog picture Now OT.

2007-05-04 Thread wendy beard
On 5/4/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 William Robb wrote:
  To bring this back on topic, do you own a bicycle?
 
  Have fun
  bill
 
 

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I did have one for 2 weeks until it met a white van
http://www.beard-redfern.com/photos/peloton.jpg

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Re: PESO - Red on Red

2007-05-04 Thread Tom C
I've felt I've  responded to you enough before. I will only do it one more
time.

I  am NOT trying to evoke emotions in all the photos. Some I want to be 
just
documentation. I will intersperse some editorial shots between those that 
are
  documentation. Shooting just a good documentary shot isn't necessarily 
easy,
  BTW.

snip

Do I have to have one theme? As a  dyslexia, nope, I usually don't have one
theme or one point. I usually have more  than one.

But you invited a rant, so you'll get  one.

rant on

snip

I hope to show even more open space stuff as I go  along.

So part of my theme I guess could simply be, stop and smell  the flowers. 
Too
many think nature is out there instead of right here. In this  area, at
least, not everything is paved over. We don't have to make special  trips 
to
Yosemite to see nature, we can see it right by the freeway. We can see  
mustard
and poppies right by the freeway. Let's appreciate what is here. Why do  we 
have
to feel that nature is always over there? Yes, some people I think see  it
that way, that nature is not here, it is over there.

So I am  showing it is right here. And I may call my series Here and Here
(rather than  Here and There). Because I feel it captures it as well as
anything.

snip

So Here and Here sums that  up. And by showing nature in context, right
next to man-made stuff, I am showing  it is HERE, not THERE.

The other aspect is, well, I do get darn  tired that a landscape shot must
have all evidence of man erased. Clone out that  telephone pole, move the 
camera
over two inches to not show the house right next  to the undeveloped hill
with the lovely Oak. Is this reality? Nope.

We've all talked before about how photography lies. Well,  sometimes
landscape and nature photography really, really lies. Sure, I like  pretty
nature/landscape photography as well as the next person, and I have tried  
to produce
some good stuff that way myself. But WHY must all evidence of man be  
erased? WHY
do we always have to lie about it? Some of the best  nature/landscape 
shots
in this area are right next to something man-made. If I  JUST show the 
nature
stuff I am implying that it is existing out there all by  itself in some
fairly pristine state. That it is out there somewhere, but not  HERE.

Well, practically nothing is in a pristine state anymore.  And I get to
feeling more and more that landscape/nature shots are promoting a  belief 
system
that there is a lot of pristine nature left out there when there  isn't. If 
we
value what we have right here, if we value some stuff that IS  
disappearing,
then we work harder at preserving and having more to shoot and  enjoy. It 
helps
no one to pretend there is lots and lots of pristine nature in  the US. 
There
is a great deal yes, but it also does disappear. And why not value  what is
here and now? What isn't in some great park, but right next door?  Right by 
the
freeway? Right by a development? All the birds that visit the  century Oak 
off
my patio? A century Oak that was not uprooted when  this senior community 
of
7,000, one of the largest and best in the US, was  built? The birds come 
and
go, a fantastic variety. They are yuppie  suburban birds now. :-)

I would say, in conclusion, Tom, you ARE  having an emotional reaction to 
my
shots. It seems you want me to shoot my  nature pristine. I would question
why? Do you think we HAVE to be ashamed of  ourselves? That if we show 
nature
next to man it always means something bad  about man? That somehow we are
separate and apart from nature? Are all man's  works totally ugly compared 
to nature?

snip
rant off

snip

However, I feel I am becoming a better  photographer though the process of
focusing on a theme (no matter how unclear it  may be to anyone else :-)) 
and
also in working harder at it, so that is  good.

Like it or not, this is what I am doing right now,  anyway.

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Marnie,

Well! You've felt you've responded to me enough before???  OK, I realize 
this was my LAST chance. :-)  Truthfully it was not my intent to irritate 
you, just give you feedback on the photos.

So part of my theme I guess could simply be, stop and smell  the flowers. 
Too
many think nature is out there instead of right here. In this  area, at
least, not everything is paved over. We don't have to make special  trips 
to
Yosemite to see nature, we can see it right by the freeway. We can see  
mustard
and poppies right by the freeway. Let's appreciate what is here. Why do  we 
have
to feel that nature is always over there? Yes, some people I think see  it
that way, that nature is not here, it is over there.

You're free to choose whatever theme you like. I agree with the sentiment of 
'stop and smell the flowers', where ever they are. National Parks, etc., 
limit our impact on the landscape to some degree, and while not being 
pristine, there 

Re: Light Tent / Box

2007-05-04 Thread graywolf
Yes, Bill's right about that. One thing you can do is spray an little in 
a plastic lid, like from a small can of coffee, and then lightly apply 
just to the problem area with a Q-Tip or something. So it does not just 
go everywhere. Do check with the client before spraying willy-nilly.

The light tent keeps outside reflections (photographer, camera, ceiling 
lights, etc.) off the jewelry it does nothing for taming spectral 
reflections. That is what the dulling spray is for.

Then if you are really good you go and add just the reflections you want 
to bring out the shape of the object, but that takes specialized 
lighting that would be too much of a hassle doing it on site.



William Robb wrote:
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 From: Feroze
 Subject: Re: Light Tent / Box
 
 
 Can't miss what you never knew existed.

 Unfortunately there is some problem shipping aerosol cans, ground
 delivery only...will have to find dulling spray locally somehow.

 
 Whatever you get, test it on something cheap first. I've had bad experiences 
 with things that are supposed to wipe right off...
 Jewelry can be a pain to photograph, even more of a pain to clean if spray 
 on gunk gets into little creviced and whatnot. Some jewelers don't like to 
 clean their product with ultrasound dips.
 
 The tent looks like a good product, I think you should have no problems with 
 reflections if you use it.
 
 William Robb 
 
 

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Re: How do you guys do panoramas anyway?

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:


You should have been at GFM last year to hear Mark's lecture on the subject.

I was pretty much nodding off during most of it,

Mark!

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

2007-05-04 Thread AlexG
Well, that's not necessarily true.

Somewhere on this intarweb I found a PDF copy of the Navy SEAL
physical fitness manual and they say that you can lose a significant
'amount' (?) of cardio fitness within the span of two weeks if you
don't train. Stop training for a month and you are right back to
square 1.


Kind of depressing when you think about it

On 5/4/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/4/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  You're obviously in better shape than I, I'm running 44x16 right now,
  but I also have delusions of one day climbing the Bathurst St hill at
  Davenport on the way home.
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 Me?

 Better shape than you?

 Was there ever any doubt?

 ;-)

 Seriously, I just checked, and my 49x17 translates to 77.82 gear
 inches, while your 44x16 is 74.25.  I know the hill to which you
 refer, and it is a bit of a pig:  steep, but thankfully short.  Ya
 just gotta get up a head of steam!  ;-)  I guess due to my days as a
 courier, I still have remnants of semi-decent cardiovascular
 fitness...

 cheers,
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Re: 800x533-_IGP7214.jpg

2007-05-04 Thread William Robb

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 Is that or where Roman lives, trees have an awful amout of halos ;-)
 

Trees are just angels at rest.

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Re: OT: A real tragedy

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, Norm Baugher, discombobulated, unleashed:

I heard about this yesterday, I'm still a bit in shock:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6623895.stm

Ewe pervert.

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Re: Light Tent / Box

2007-05-04 Thread graywolf
Yeah, but once it is set up it is just a one click affair. BTW, 
windows/actions and automate/batch are two different things, but work 
together to process a whole bunch of files automatically.

Setting up is as simple as opening the actions window, clicking on 
record, then doing the thing manually, clicking on stop when you are 
done, then saving the action. Next time you want to use that action you 
just click run and it does all those steps automatically.

Then you set up an batch to run that action on a whole folder of files. 
To convert a folder full of, say, images you want to convert to jpegs 
and put on a CD to give a client, it is then as simple as selecting the 
folder and the batch process.

The real problem with Photoshop is that it does so damn many things it 
is hard to know all of them. Once you know about them they are usually 
fairly easy to use.


Don Sanderson wrote:
 Script isn't really the right term for it.
 In Elements 4 it's FileProcess Multiple files.
 In CS They're called 'actions' which I find powerful but rather
 complicated. Actions can be called via FileAutomateBatch.
 If you have CS2 you have everything in Elements 4 plus a million
 other things, it's a bit much for me to do a batch of eekBay pics
 in.
 
 Don
 
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 Nope don't have that, only CorelDraw, Illustrator  Photoshop CS2. Have 
 to bribe the girlfriend now, she's really good with this ASP and dotnet 
 stuff, she'll probally figure it out. But she's been eyeing some of the 
 jewellery I've been shooting so this might bad time to ask. I'm going to 
 have try both methods out, will probally only know what really works 
 after its printed.

 Thanks
 Feroze

 PS are these scripts that you using portable between the various photo 
 editing softwares.

 Don Sanderson wrote:
 For my eekBay stuff I use Elements 4, the script was easier to write
 and it runs a lot faster than CS on my old 'puter.
 Let me know if the manual WB thing works out for you.

 Don

   
   
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Re: PESO: Another dog picture

2007-05-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/5/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

Thanks Dave. He's pretty much everything I've wanted in a dog.

You said the same thing about my cat.

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Re: OT: A real tragedy

2007-05-04 Thread frank theriault
On 5/4/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Ewe pervert.

Don't get his goat;  he's feeling sheepish enough already.

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