PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Another from the rock ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy,
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Re: PESO -- Quiet Sunday

2007-07-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
I like this one.  I think it portrays what you were looking for.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 7:10:36 PM, you wrote:

PJA It's damned hot and sticky, and I wanted something that reminded me of
PJA cooler days.  I found this shot from the middle of June from a couple of
PJA years ago.  I don't remember which lens it was taken with, the Vivitar
PJA 35-85mm varifocal I think, mounted on a *istD.

PJA http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20quietsunday.html

PJA As usual comments are welcome, but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
I like it but...It seems extremely contrasty - lots of white - not
quite what I would expect.  Would you care to elaborate on the scene
and the processing you did?  I'm curious.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 6:42:27 PM, you wrote:

GD On Alcatraz,

GDhttp://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm

GD Comments and critique always appreciated.

GD enjoy
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Re: PEF meta data, read camera build date etc

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
That's a neat little app. Thanks for passing it along.

Cheers,

Dave

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 that reads/edits the metadata in image files and presents everything
 in an easy to read (for humans) form. Far more information can be read
 from an image file than just regular exposure/setting data like the
 temperature of the camera at the time of the shot, the cameras
 internal serial number, hardware revision and build date. If you are
 interested you can read up and DL from here:

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RE: Win2K Question

2007-07-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
 Hi,
 I need to get into a password protected Win2K computer.
 Unfortunately, I have almost no chance of aquiring the password from
the
 former owner of the machine.
 Does anyone know of a back door that will allow me to get into the
system?
 Thanks
 
 William Robb

Unless you guess the right password of a user you really can't get into 
the system. I suppose you have tried administrator user? Sometimes it
does
not have a password set.

If you need access to the files, hook up the drive to some other
computer
running W2K/XP/Vista as a second (or third or ...) drive and go from
there.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
:-)

You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up
a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
is selected by random.

I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
through 50-60 images like Jack did.

Jostein

2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up
 with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
 would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
 moment.

 Jack
 --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
  photos
  that were presented to me.
 
  It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
  were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
  system is foolproof yet.
 
  --
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  Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
 
  A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and
  was
  A met with the below text.
 
  A Anyone picked up news about this before?
 
  A Jostein
 
  A === Quote start =
  A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
  ability
  A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can
  A participate in the voting process.
 
  A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
  A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot
  vote
  A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for
  A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
  protect
  A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
  viewed
  A by the photographer.
 
  A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however,
  A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
  reserves
  A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has
  A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
  including,
  A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios,
  the
  A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality
  of
  A the image.
 
  A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
  image.
  A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
  subject
  A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
 
  A === Quote end =
 
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Re: PESO -- Cat at Rest II.

2007-07-11 Thread Brian Walters
I must have missed the original.

I like the rendering of the boat in 'Cat II' but I'm less certain about the 
shore.  The building just doesn't look 'right'.

Maybe a combination of the two images is the way to go?


Cheers

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Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Ken made a comment on the merge with a shore, and I thought I'd try
 a different filtration on the conversion so heres a second cut.
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20catatrest2.html
 
 and the original in case anyone forgot:
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO%20--%20catatrest.html
 
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked on the 
link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance he works at 
the same place I do also.

Maybe you've been sleepwalking?

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Re: RE: Who's BLOGGING?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
I remember the deleteme-story. That was hilarious. IIRC, there was a
corresponding mockery (at about the same time) of online image critics
at theonlinephotographer.com too, where some notably famous photos
were picked apart, nit by nit.

WRT: People vs. landscape I think Bob and Frank's point about human
interest has a dimension of history to it as well. People shots
becomes time capsules much faster than do landscape shots.

In my opinion, pure (pristine?) landscape shots only achieve that
status after abrupt and large-scale natural events like volcano
eruptions, landslides, etc.

For landscape changed by human presence, however, I think the point of
human interest applies just as well as for people shots. Since
photography began, every generation has moulded the landscape in their
own way. The cultural landscape has changed, roads, power pylons,
suburbs (eg. Marnies project), forest management, etc. etc.

Jostein


2007/7/11, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 frank theriault wrote:

 On 7/10/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bob W wrote:
 
  Crimes Against Fashion is a superb photo. Come back in a few years
  and that's the only one anyone will be interested in. that's not to
  knock the rest, but human interest wins every time.
 
  Thanks Bob. That's a great compliment coming from you.
 
 I agree with Bob.  That's a hell of a photo.  I also agree with him
 WRT interest in people photos.  I know (and a landscape photographer
 such as yourself may find this blasphemous) that I find 60 year old
 HCB photos a heck of a lot more compelling than 60 year old Ansel
 Adams photos of Yosemite (or wherever).
 
 The rocks and mountains are still there (although I know in some
 places they're fast disappearing, or having condos perches upon
 themj), but the people and the situations they were in are gone
 forever, captured only for that split second  on film (or now,
 sensors).
 
 That's what I find compelling about photos of humanity.

 I suppose it depends on your point of view. I prefer Ansel because I
 see people every day but rarely glimpse, Denali, for example :)
 I expect most landscape (and abstract and still-life, etc, etc.)
 aficionados feel roughly the same way but there's no doubting the
 people photo enthusiasts are in the majority. (Of course Michael
 Jackson outsells Mozart, so what does the majority know?)

 My favorite photos aren't about content at all: Light, shadow, shape,
 form is what I look for. Possibly my all-time favorite photos are
 Edward Weston's peppers.

 Interestingly, my favorite HCB photos are the ones in which the human
 form is a small part of the image, like Mario's Bike, of  deleteme
 fame (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366)

 One thing I strongly dislike is photographs that don't stand on their
 own; that require backstory, explanation or other metadata:
 Information beyond what's shown in the frame. I found quite a bit of
 that at the Pulitzer Prize exhibit (though not as much as I expected,
 given that it *is* news photography).


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RE: Movement sensors, for the techheds

2007-07-11 Thread Rod Connan
Thanks Rob for the information on the sensors - it is something that was in
the back of my mind to find out.

For those who, like me, want to know what is in the package I found an
interesting discussion on how they work at,
http://dataweek.co.za/news.aspx?pklNewsId=19303pklCategoryID=45
I found it interesting :-)

Rod

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The following PDF link contains information on movements sensors which
I believe are utilized in the K10D and possibly the K100D, note the
frequency response of these devices is limited to 50Hz with a maximum
recordable change of angular velocity of +/-300 degree/s:

http://www.murata.com/catalog/s42e.pdf

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:23:43 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:

Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the photos
that were presented to me.

So did I, quite a bunch ...

It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
system is foolproof yet.

Hmm, I got them in groups of five, the first one always the same one :-)

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Re: Movement sensors, for the techheds

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
Does that mean that anti-shake will work best if you shoot on resting pulse? :-)

Jostein

2007/7/11, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The following PDF link contains information on movements sensors which
 I believe are utilized in the K10D and possibly the K100D, note the
 frequency response of these devices is limited to 50Hz with a maximum
 recordable change of angular velocity of +/-300 degree/s:

 http://www.murata.com/catalog/s42e.pdf

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Gloom and doom well represented. A chilling and well executed image.  
I would probably clone out the corner of the table at the left of frame.
Paul
On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:00 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Another from the rock ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread David Mann
On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Cotty wrote:

 On 10/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked  
 on the
 link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance  
 he works at
 the same place I do also.

 Maybe you've been sleepwalking?

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Bong Manayon
This is great!  Where's Boris?  We had this conversation about empty rooms...

And, yeah, the table gets in the way.

Cheers!

Bong

On 7/11/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gloom and doom well represented. A chilling and well executed image.
 I would probably clone out the corner of the table at the left of frame.
 Paul
 On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:00 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

  Another from the rock ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm
 
  Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
  enjoy,
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
2007/7/11, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Maybe you've been sleepwalking?

 The first rule of Pentax Club is

 - Dave



Hmm...
Don't take your camera to bed?

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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread David J Brooks
On 7/6/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 7/5/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Just makes me think of summer...
 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO%20--%20bluebug.html
 
  Equipment Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm AL[IF]
 
  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

 Well composed.  I like the lampost and branches framing it.

 From that angle it almost looks alive - as if it's looking out at the
 water.  It definitely has personality!

My thoughts exactly Frank.

I remember in 1973 when i was about to buy my first car, it was
between a $2100 Datsun 1200 or the bug at $1950

The bug salesman pissed me off, so i sent with the Datsun.:-)

Dave

 Good shot.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote:

Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation  
is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a  
good idea  in my estimation.

From the way I read it, they seem to be asking for input from gallery 
contributors, but not choosing photos by that means exclusively. In 
other words, their judges will still have some (I'd guess, final) say.

No telling for certain but if this is the case but I'd say it's a good 
idea: Get gallery members to separate the wheat from the chaff and then 
have the official judges make the final cut.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller wrote:

 So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique,

Not my take on what was presented.

Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the 
selection 
process

Kenneth Waller

I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by 
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Re: Movement sensors, for the techheds

2007-07-11 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 11/07/07, Rod Connan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Rob for the information on the sensors - it is something that was in
 the back of my mind to find out.

 For those who, like me, want to know what is in the package I found an
 interesting discussion on how they work at,
 http://dataweek.co.za/news.aspx?pklNewsId=19303pklCategoryID=45
 I found it interesting :-)

Nice find, I read the patent applications and couldn't make head nor tail of it.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
I guess I'm a purist, the table is there, it should stay there.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Gloom and doom well represented. A chilling and well executed image.  
 I would probably clone out the corner of the table at the left of frame.
 Paul
 On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:00 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

   
 Another from the rock ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm

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Re: Movement sensors, for the techheds

2007-07-11 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 11/07/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does that mean that anti-shake will work best if you shoot on resting pulse? 
 :-)

Of course but still I would expect that movements due to pulse would
probably be within the systems bandwidth. ;-) Plainly though, high
frequency oscillations like those that might be experienced whilst the
camera is tripod mounted would definitely fall outside the sensitivity
of these units. Also unless there is a third sensor (on the pics I've
seen there is a single shock mounted board mounted just below the
front IR sensor which has two perpendicular sensors) lurking in a
position which puts it parallel with the axis of the lens the SR
system can't measure rotation about the lens. Note the subtle
difference between these two documents (in the text directly under the
diagrams of the SR unit):

http://www.pentaxslr.com/files/scms_docs//PENTAX_SR_Description_091506.pdf
http://www.pentaxslr.com/pdf/K10_Shake_Reduction.pdf

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Kenneth Waller wrote:

   
 So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique,
   
 Not my take on what was presented.

 
 Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the 
   
 selection 
   
 process
   
 Kenneth Waller
 

 I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by 
 the popularity of the Gallery and need help narrowing the field before 
 our judges make the final decisions



   
Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is 
nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users vs. those 
people in the deleteme flickr group.  With their new peer review 
system the judges might not even see an HCB photo because it's too 
blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph because a few site users 
don't appreciate its content. 

I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  I don't want 
my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed 
to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent 
once.   It's easy enough for me to not pass judgement on another's 
photograph.  Avoiding the other half of my gripe is just as easy - I'll 
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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Brian Walters
A depressing looking place, well presented.  What was the purpose of structure 
in the middle of the frame?

The table doesn't bother me - the floor pattern might make cloning it out 
tricky.


Cheers

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Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Another from the rock ...
 
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm
 
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Re: RE: Who's BLOGGING?

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/10/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suppose it depends on your point of view. I prefer Ansel because I
 see people every day but rarely glimpse, Denali, for example :)
 I expect most landscape (and abstract and still-life, etc, etc.)
 aficionados feel roughly the same way but there's no doubting the
 people photo enthusiasts are in the majority. (Of course Michael
 Jackson outsells Mozart, so what does the majority know?)

 My favorite photos aren't about content at all: Light, shadow, shape,
 form is what I look for. Possibly my all-time favorite photos are
 Edward Weston's peppers.

 Interestingly, my favorite HCB photos are the ones in which the human
 form is a small part of the image, like Mario's Bike, of  deleteme
 fame (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366)

 One thing I strongly dislike is photographs that don't stand on their
 own; that require backstory, explanation or other metadata:
 Information beyond what's shown in the frame. I found quite a bit of
 that at the Pulitzer Prize exhibit (though not as much as I expected,
 given that it *is* news photography).


I certainly wasn't trying to say that a preference for landscape over
reportage is either right or wrong - it's a personal preference and
nothing more.

I certainly understand the attraction, both from the taker's and the
viewer's POV of a beautiful landscape photo.  The photographer must
have incredible patience, endurance (to hike - with gear - to some
pretty isolated areas), experience and a great eye for light and other
conditions in order to get the shot - and even after all that, maybe
there'll be no shot to be had!

Like reportage, timing is everything.  Miss the light or whatever,
and the shot is gone, never to re-appear again.

That's where a great people shot and a great landscape are similar -
the best are about capturing a moment that will never re-appear again.
 They are about freezing time that can never be re-captured.

So I think we're not far apart in our photographic preferences - we
just approach them from a different angle is all.

I agree with you about two things:

I prefer a photo that can be appreciated without knowing the story
or any other background info.  That was the beauty of HCB:  his great
shots were art in and of themselves, context was not required to see
the art in them.

And, Wesson's peppers are among the greatest photos ever taken!

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
It was news to me. I haven't submitted anything or checked on the site
in a couple of months.

I just voted on a few, and guess what I came across, a shot taken from
the car park at GFM. I wonder who's shot it was?

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/11/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was
 met with the below text.

 Anyone picked up news about this before?

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
On 7/11/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  I don't want
 my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed
 to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent
 once.

What makes you think the Pentax galleries judges are any more
qualified than you or I?

I'm not qualified to judge other peoples photos, but I gave it a go anyway. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
I appreciate that way of reading it too.

Now, due to a cancelled meeting at work I got an extended lunchbreak
today, and spent some time voting for photos. Think I've been through
about 140-150 by now.

Three things have occured to me in the process. The first was that the
page is pretty slow to load. The second was that it should have been
possible to go from one large pic to the next directly, without going
back to thumbnails.

The third was that I have already recognised some images previously
submitted as PESOs or parts of GESOs to this list. I'm not at all sure
if, or in what way, this will bias my judgement...

Jostein

2007/7/11, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Kenneth Waller wrote:

  So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique,
 
 Not my take on what was presented.
 
 Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
 selection
 process
 
 Kenneth Waller

 I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by
 the popularity of the Gallery and need help narrowing the field before
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
HUH?

Jack
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 William Robb wrote:
 
  I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
Jostine, I think that decision is up to the individual. No reason I
couldn't have ended it any time I wished, but I was curious as to what
images might come up.
I did recognize a couple of them from previously being seen as list
PESO's.

Jack
--- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
 However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
 project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
 couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
 the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
 :-)
 
 You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
 profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
 navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring
 up
 a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
 is selected by random.
 
 I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
 IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
 through 50-60 images like Jack did.
 
 Jostein
 
 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came
 up
  with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
  would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
  moment.
 
  Jack
  --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
   photos
   that were presented to me.
  
   It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first
 ones
   were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like
 the
   system is foolproof yet.
  
   --
   Bruce
  
  
   Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
  
   A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared,
 and
   was
   A met with the below text.
  
   A Anyone picked up news about this before?
  
   A Jostein
  
   A === Quote start =
   A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
   ability
   A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists
 can
   A participate in the voting process.
  
   A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
   A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants
 cannot
   vote
   A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available
 for
   A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
   protect
   A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
   viewed
   A by the photographer.
  
   A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process;
 however,
   A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
   reserves
   A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image
 has
   A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
   including,
   A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect
 ratios,
   the
   A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the
 quality
   of
   A the image.
  
   A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
   image.
   A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
   subject
   A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
  
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
I think it best not tto go there.

Jack Davis wrote:
 HUH?

 Jack
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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread Doug Brewer
When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to 
scan my computer for errors.

I can do my own scanning, thanks.



frank theriault wrote:
 http://www.tiny.cc/FcsDb
 
 So, this is my first attempt at taking a RAW file out of my *istD,
 doing stuff in photoshop (a bit of sharpening, correcting the horizon
 (for Paul g), resizing it and converting to a jpeg.  I'm somewhat
 disappointed because on my New Computer (a laptop) the colours looked
 bright and contrasty, but on my computer at work, they look rather
 dull and washed out.
 
 My laptop screen is calibrated, so maybe it's my work computer.
 
 Any thoughts on the colour/contrast?
 
 And, of course, comments are otherwise welcomed.
 
 thanks in advance,
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Doug Franklin
Jack Davis wrote:
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Sorry, I shouldn't have started that, and I'll shut up.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
Reads to me like that's exactly the intent. They clearly state that the
final decision on those images ultimately offered to their judges, will
be that of Pentax.

Jack
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation
  
 is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a
  
 good idea  in my estimation.
 
 From the way I read it, they seem to be asking for input from
 gallery 
 contributors, but not choosing photos by that means exclusively. In 
 other words, their judges will still have some (I'd guess, final)
 say.
 
 No telling for certain but if this is the case but I'd say it's a
 good 
 idea: Get gallery members to separate the wheat from the chaff and
 then 
 have the official judges make the final cut.
 
 They certainly need to do *something* to reduce their turnaround
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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote:

When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to 
scan my computer for errors.

I can do my own scanning, thanks.

Hell, I could probably tell you some errors on your computer from here 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

It was news to me. I haven't submitted anything or checked on the site
in a couple of months.

I just voted on a few, and guess what I came across, a shot taken from
the car park at GFM. I wonder who's shot it was?

Not mine. I've only sent them one GFM Car Park shot and that was 
accepted months ago.

I do have one GFM shot in the queue, but it's a shot from Watauga View, 
which is three miles out on the trail - about as far out as you can get 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:

Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is 
nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users 
vs. those people in the deleteme flickr group.  With their new 
peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo 
because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph 
because a few site users don't appreciate its content. 

That's true, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions on how the 
system works. For all we know, they may be using the member votes as 
simply an advisory and allowing the official judges to still pick 
anything they like. That's certainly how I'd do it - for exactly the 
reasons you note, but we simply don't know.

I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  

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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
 scan my computer for errors.

 I can do my own scanning, thanks.

Sorry, Doug (and everyone else).

I thought I was going to tinyurl.com, but I wasn't.

I won't use that site again to shorten urls.  I've discovered the
error of my ways, and will use tinyurl.com from now on - I don't think
there are any such problems with that site.

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PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
http://tinyurl.com/yptee7

Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...

Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg

Comments always welcome.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread Christian
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Alcatraz,
 
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
 Godfrey
 

The whites a bit strong for me, but that could be my 
crappy-laptop-display(tm).

I like the composition.  Looks like my ex-wife's house! :-)

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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
 scan my computer for errors.

 I can do my own scanning, thanks.

And, FWIW (in case you never did get to the photo, and in case you're
still interested), here's the proper url for the image:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTNiihhxzI/Aas/_bNT0dbinL8/s1600-h/july_10+001.jpg

Thanks, Doug, and again, my apologies...

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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I remember in 1973 when i was about to buy my first car, it was
 between a $2100 Datsun 1200 or the bug at $1950

I think you made the right decision.

By the early 70's the Beetle was a pretty antiquated design and
(despite it's small size and lack of power) not that economical.

I recall those Datsuns as pretty zippy, frugal little things...

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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread Doug Brewer
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Doug Brewer wrote:
 
 
When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to 
scan my computer for errors.

I can do my own scanning, thanks.
 
 
 Hell, I could probably tell you some errors on your computer from here 
 *without* scanning. No charge. :)
 
 

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Alcatraz,

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm

 Comments and critique always appreciated.

Cool!

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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread Doug Brewer
frank theriault wrote:
 
 Sorry, Doug (and everyone else).
 
 I thought I was going to tinyurl.com, but I wasn't.
 
 I won't use that site again to shorten urls.  I've discovered the
 error of my ways, and will use tinyurl.com from now on - I don't think
 there are any such problems with that site.
 
 cheers,
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RE: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread Minelli Flavio
Hello Dario. 

I remember Photoshop offered a filter able to convert polar coordinates
to cartesian ones and vice versa. Perhaps one could try that, although
I'm only speculating... 

Ciao, Flavio

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Subject: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from
his 
10-17mm fisheye zoom.
Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a
dedicated 
software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available
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Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread Dario Bonazza
A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his 
10-17mm fisheye zoom.
Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated 
software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread Paul Sorenson
That's what they get for opening the tomb of the cursing pharaoh.  Neat 
pix of a fun time w/your kids.  BTW, this tiny works...took me right 
to your site.

-p

frank theriault wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/yptee7
 
 Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...
 
 Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:
 
 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg
 
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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
Nice that you encourage fun at a Museum. Making it interactive is a
good thing. :)

Jack
--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/yptee7
 
 Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the
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 Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:
 

http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg
 
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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread pnstenquist
I think you can do a pretty good job with PhotoShop's Transform Perspective 
command. It's under the Edit menu. 
Paul
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 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
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Re: Epson 2400 BW help

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
Have you tried using soft proofing in PS?

Open a photo that you have already printed. Then go to ViewProof
Setup then select Custom... and in the Device to Simulate drop down
list select the appropriate printer/paper profile, then click OK. You
can turn the soft proofing on  off by pressing Ctrl+Y (or cmd+Y on
the Mac).

If everything is going well you shouldn't see much of a change on
screen. But If you do you can adjust the image to suit with soft proof
on.

I use the soft proof technique to good effect.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/5/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, i see nothing out of the ordinary from what i have.

 The monitor is calibrated, colour prints come out exactly like the
 monitor, BW is darker than monitor, and from what i see, Dave's
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RE: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread Bill Owens
Photoshop Elements 5.0 has such a tool.  Not freeware however.

Bill

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Subject: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from
his 
10-17mm fisheye zoom.
Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a
dedicated 
software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available
for 
that?

Thanks

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
PS is OK for small distortions, but it's not so good for correcting
those inherent to fisheye lenses.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you can do a pretty good job with PhotoShop's Transform Perspective 
 command. It's under the Edit menu.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his
  10-17mm fisheye zoom.
  Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated
  software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party
  software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for
  that?
 
  Thanks
 
  Dario

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PESO: Prep'ed

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

One more taken on my trip (~160kb):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP5226.jpg
K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another from the rock ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm

 Comments and critique always appreciated.


Kinda creepy.

 I wonder what that glass-brick enclosure was for.  My imagination
makes me think the worst...

Wonderful composition.

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread David Savage
Panorama stitching programs have the ability to correct lens
distortions. I use PTGui (not free), but Hugin is free, and from what
I've seen does a good job.

You set control points to map the verticals  horizontals that should
be straight  then save that profile for future use.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/11/07, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his
 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
 Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated
 software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party
 software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for
 that?

 Thanks

 Dario

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Camera auction site. Worth a look?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of 
eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.

http://www.cameragas.com/

From the site:

CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to 
photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by 
experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to 
traditional auction sites.

We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine 
the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and 
lower prices for buyers!

CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread ann sanfedele
Doug Franklin wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

[...] if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication
of how  well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my
estimation.



The Average Idiot got that name for a reason.

  

Boy, am I glad I didn't put any effort into that...

smugmug has a very annoying feature of thumbs up and thumbs down for 
comments that if you
switch it on you get into the most popular page  - I deliberately 
turned that off... for one thing,
there is a bar that comes out with the thumbs on it in front of the 
image you are viewing.. for another,
most of the heavy hits on the most popular page seem to be photos of the 
photographers friends
and family being looked at over and over by them and while there are 
occasionally excellent photos
there, I really think it is a bit tacky.

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Tom C
Thanks Paul.

Tom C.



From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:49:17 -0500

Here you go...

Sean Duffy
BOISE, ID 83702
(208) 331-0514

Sean Duffy
BOISE, ID 83716
(208) 331-0514

-p

Tom C wrote:
  I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked on the
  link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance he 
works at
  the same place I do also.
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
  Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:27:22 -0500
 
  A little digging into his blog revealed his last name and a Switchboard
  search came up with this...
 
  http://switchboard.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=34
 
  Same name, city and phone number, different zip code.  You'll be able 
to
  figure out which is the most likely to be the current address.
 
  -p
 
  Tom C wrote:
  I'm getting even more sure now.  The color image under the History
  section
  of his page is taken only about a mile from where I live.  I see this
  every
  time I drive down the road.
 
  http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/155243/Cervidae-Peak.html
 
  How many Sean's do you think there are in a subdivsion of 250 homes? 
:-)
 
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
  From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
  Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:06:44 -0600
 
  Now all my posts are gone from the forums also.  This guy appears to 
be
  a
  major contributor to the site and I used his User ID in the subject
  line of
  my posts Copyright Violations by SawtoothSean.
 
  I'm waiting to see whether he's going to clean up this page which 
still
  has
  thumbnails on it.
 
  http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/155243/Cervidae-Peak.html
 
  If the thumbnails are still there tomorrow morning I'm going to start
  the
  same crap all over again. :-)
 
 
  Tom C.
 
 
  From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:38:54 -0600
 
  And from his writeup on the Boise Mountains, including places that 
are
  right
  along my way home and even mile markers, now I'm almost CERTAIN this
  guy
  must live within a 2.5 mile radius of me.
 
  I'm gonna track him down.  His profile also says he was last active 
on
  his
  site today (which it didn't say earlier).
 
  I bet he's a little shaken right now, knowing that I've seen his
  profile
  and
  where he must apparently live. :-)
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
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Re: Camera auction site. Worth a look?

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of
 eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.

 http://www.cameragas.com/

 From the site:

 CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to
 photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by
 experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to
 traditional auction sites.

 We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine
 the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and
 lower prices for buyers!

 CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

 During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in
 time. 


Their search engine sucks.

I tried searching for a couple of specific bodies, I was shown 5 pages
auction listings, none of which was what I searched for.

cheers,
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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you 
could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

frank theriault wrote:
 On 7/11/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
   
 I remember in 1973 when i was about to buy my first car, it was
 between a $2100 Datsun 1200 or the bug at $1950
 

 I think you made the right decision.

 By the early 70's the Beetle was a pretty antiquated design and
 (despite it's small size and lack of power) not that economical.

 I recall those Datsuns as pretty zippy, frugal little things...

 cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
I liked it.  But not enough to dissect it.

frank theriault wrote:
 On 7/11/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
 scan my computer for errors.

 I can do my own scanning, thanks.
 

 And, FWIW (in case you never did get to the photo, and in case you're
 still interested), here's the proper url for the image:

 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTNiihhxzI/Aas/_bNT0dbinL8/s1600-h/july_10+001.jpg

 Thanks, Doug, and again, my apologies...

 cheers,
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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 One more taken on my trip (~160kb):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP5226.jpg
 K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

 This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.


Enough to make me a vegetarian.  Poor guy - the look in his eye is
quite terrifying.

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RE: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)

2007-07-11 Thread Tom C
Hi Mark.  You've expressed the way I feel about it.

I'm not stupid enough to mess with people I don't trust.  Since his 
unconscionable actions were done with no provocation from me, who knows what 
a guy like this would do if deliberately provoked?  It's not worth finding 
out.

Tom C.


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Subject: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:07:34 -0700

Scott:

There are certain provisions of the DMCA with which I strongly disagree.
The takedown provision is certainly open to abuse, but it does get the job
done quite fast and can be invoked by the little guy, not just big
corporations.  So in this case maybe it's not so bad.

Tom:

You've gotten the offending imaged taken down.  I'm sure you can get the
thumbnails removed also.  Beyond that, are you planning to take further
legal action?  If not, you might just savor your victory and move on to
better things rather than get too personal.  After all, you won.

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Tom C
You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures that
look the same in a web presentation

William Robb


These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three 
years... and he falsified where they were shot from.

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
PT lens does a nice job of making rectilinear shots out of fisheye.  I'm 
using the old shareware/freeware version, but if you buy it they say 
they'll make a conversion file for any lens/camera combination on request.

Dario Bonazza wrote:
 A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his 
 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
 Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated 
 software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
 software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for 
 that?

 Thanks

 Dario 


   


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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/11/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you
 could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

I had a couple of friends whose first car back in the 70's were
Beetles.  They were a hoot to drive.  I learned to drive standard on
one of them, and once one learns to drive a clutched Beetle, you can
drive anything with a clutch.

We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...

Fun cars...

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Tom C
William Robb wrote:

  I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.

(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
  And I say that as an (US) American.

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That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.  All one 
has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven true 
would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically obligated 
to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to hell 
if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the 
person is both ill-willed and well- healed.

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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread Fernando
LOL, Funny photo. Good one

On 7/11/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/yptee7

 Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...

 Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:

 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg

 Comments always welcome.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 On 7/11/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  I don't want
 my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed
 to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent
 once.
 

 What makes you think the Pentax galleries judges are any more
 qualified than you or I?
   

That's a good question.  Assuming that the official judges are 
employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate 
the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet 
Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in 
displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job 
per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies 
the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography.

Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, though.
 I'm not qualified to judge other peoples photos, but I gave it a go anyway. 
 :-)

 Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Muttart Pano

2007-07-11 Thread frank theriault
On 7/7/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Nice Dave but I need to see what the cut-off people are doing, or lose
 them completely?

They're just Canadians.  Whatever they're doing is no concern of yours...

cheers,
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Re: PESO -- Quiet Sunday

2007-07-11 Thread Fernando
I like the colors and mood of this one.

On 7/10/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's damned hot and sticky, and I wanted something that reminded me of
 cooler days.  I found this shot from the middle of June from a couple of
 years ago.  I don't remember which lens it was taken with, the Vivitar
 35-85mm varifocal I think, mounted on a *istD.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20quietsunday.html

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Re: Camera auction site. Worth a look?

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Made a quick look and it seems there are no bargians, or even potential 
bargains, (and almost no activity).

Mark Roberts wrote:
 Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of 
 eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.

 http://www.cameragas.com/

 From the site:

 CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to 
 photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by 
 experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to 
 traditional auction sites.

 We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine 
 the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and 
 lower prices for buyers!

 CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

 During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:

   
 Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is 
 
 nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users 
   
 vs. those people in the deleteme flickr group.  With their new 
 peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo 
 because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph 
 because a few site users don't appreciate its content. 
 

 That's true, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions on how the 
 system works. For all we know, they may be using the member votes as 
 simply an advisory and allowing the official judges to still pick 
 anything they like. That's certainly how I'd do it - for exactly the 
 reasons you note, but we simply don't know.
   

You could be right, and I hope you are.  But I really think they're 
using the voting system to weed out the bad photos so the judges only 
have to look at the good ones.  There is probably nothing to prevent 
them from looking at the pictures that were voted down.  How does one 
decide which bad photos to look at?  And if they're going to look at 
them at all, what's the point of having the users vote?  It certainly 
won't save them much time.

 From the FAQ:

*How does my vote influence what images appear on the Photo Gallery?*


Your vote determines what images are presented to the selection 
committee. The Photo Gallery artist community makes sure the best images 
are presented for acceptance.



*What happens to my votes?*


Your votes are used to sort the images so that the best are presented to 
the acceptance committee. PENTAX makes the final determination of which 
images will appear in the Gallery.

Sounds to me that once our peers vote down a photo it's most likely gone 
and forgotten.


   
 I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  
 

 I definitely disagree with you on that one ;-)

   
Next time you show us an unbelievably good print at GFM I'm going to say 
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Duplicate Voting?

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
reason to continue spending the time voting.
Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)

Jack


   

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RE: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread Bill Owens
Back in the 60's, during the how many can you get in a phone booth craze,
some of us college students with nothing better to do, managed to get 21 in
a Beetle.

Bill

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Subject: Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

On 7/11/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you
 could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

I had a couple of friends whose first car back in the 70's were
Beetles.  They were a hoot to drive.  I learned to drive standard on
one of them, and once one learns to drive a clutched Beetle, you can
drive anything with a clutch.

We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...

Fun cars...

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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/yptee7

 Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...

 Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:

 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg

 Comments always welcome.

 cheers,
 frank

   
Excellent!  Let's see it in grainy, contrasty black and white.  I think 
it might look like something out of an old horror flick.

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Mechanical-electronic cable release.

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
device that you would screw a old fashioned cable release into which 
would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
with the *ist-D/Ds).

I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Tom C
These were all shot on Fuji Provia.  I have the original EXIF in my office. 
:-)

The thumbnails are still there today.

I'm going to wait until this afternoon.  Then I'll post some more stuff on 
the forums identifying him by userid, and e-mail the webmaster demanding 
that the thumbnail images be removed immediately as it is an unauthorized 
use, and the user and site are still in violation of copyright laws.

Then I'm going to write to the user:

Mr. Duffy, I'm just wondering what kind of person thinks it's OK to steal 
their neighbors photographs, lie about taking them, publicly distort when 
and where they were taken, and then accept credit for them .

I highly doubt I'll get a response.  I don't want one really.  I just want 
him to know that I know.


Tom C.


From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:31:23 -0500

Did he leave the original EXIF intact?

-p

Tom C wrote:
  You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
  happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures 
that
  look the same in a web presentation
 
  William Robb
 
 
  These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three
  years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
 
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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

2007-07-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Fun shot - put a smile on my face, knowing the context.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 6:35:26 AM, you wrote:

ft http://tinyurl.com/yptee7

ft Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the 
Museum...

ft Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:

ft 
http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg

ft Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

2007-07-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
to figure it out.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote:

DS G'day All,

DS One more taken on my trip (~160kb):

DS http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP5226.jpg
DS K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

DS This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.

DS Cheers,

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Re: Mechanical-electronic cable release.

2007-07-11 Thread Adam Maas
P. J. Alling wrote:
 I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
 device that you would screw a old fashioned cable release into which 
 would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
 an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
 original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
 haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
 applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
 with the *ist-D/Ds).
 
 I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
 and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.
 

Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
MR-3. I've got one somewhere.

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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Paul Sorenson
Did he leave the original EXIF intact?

-p

Tom C wrote:
 You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
 happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures that
 look the same in a web presentation

 William Robb

 
 These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three 
 years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
 
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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Since the running boards were never really meant for standing, that 
could be unintentionally very exciting, especially on rusty 15 year old 
bugs...

Paul Sorenson wrote:
 Like standing on the running board at 50mph releasing used beer from 
 your body?   ;}

 -p

 frank theriault wrote:

   
 We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
 It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...

 Fun cars...

 cheers,
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Re: PESO: Scale

2007-07-11 Thread Fernando
Very nice one, composition, colors and the inlcusion of the guy in the
bottom right. Good one

On 7/8/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from my trip (~170kb):

 Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada.
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP4086.jpg
 K10D, DA 16-45mm @ 45mm, f10 @ 1/100, ISO 400

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Re: Mechanical-electronic cable release.

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
the camera...

Adam Maas wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
 I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
 device that you would screw a old fashioned cable release into which 
 would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
 an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
 original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
 haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
 applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
 with the *ist-D/Ds).

 I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
 and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.

 

 Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
 MR-3. I've got one somewhere.

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Re: Mechanical-electronic cable release.

2007-07-11 Thread Adam Maas
The canon adaptor is more likely called something-T3. T3 simply denotes the 
electronic release connector on the camera (There are 3 different standards for 
EOS, T3, N3 and E3. N3 is the current one for high-end bodies, E3 is the Pentax 
compatible one on the Rebels)

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
 The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
 steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
 If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
 the camera...
 
 Adam Maas wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
 I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
 device that you would screw a old fashioned cable release into which 
 would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
 an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
 original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
 haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
 applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
 with the *ist-D/Ds).

 I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
 and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.

 
 Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
 MR-3. I've got one somewhere.

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Re: Epson 2400 BW help

2007-07-11 Thread David J Brooks
No i have not Dave.

I'll try.

I calibrated the monitor Tuesday, again, and did some colour prints
today. The colours on the horse and jumps are fine, but nowi see the
blue sky has some greyish to it and my sand is darker than the
monitor.
I assign rgb colour space when printing.

Maybe its just a cleaning to fix up this snag, as the prints i made
two weeks ago were spot on.

I wonder if is should print in sRGB



Dave

On 7/11/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you tried using soft proofing in PS?

 Open a photo that you have already printed. Then go to ViewProof
 Setup then select Custom... and in the Device to Simulate drop down
 list select the appropriate printer/paper profile, then click OK. You
 can turn the soft proofing on  off by pressing Ctrl+Y (or cmd+Y on
 the Mac).

 If everything is going well you shouldn't see much of a change on
 screen. But If you do you can adjust the image to suit with soft proof
 on.

 I use the soft proof technique to good effect.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 On 7/5/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, i see nothing out of the ordinary from what i have.
 
  The monitor is calibrated, colour prints come out exactly like the
  monitor, BW is darker than monitor, and from what i see, Dave's
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Re: Mechanical-electronic cable release.

2007-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes it's called the canon cable release adapter T3

http://www.pictureline.com/products/1262/Canon_Cable_Release_Adapter_T3/

Also available at BH Photo. Adorama, and elsewhere...

Adam Maas wrote:
 The canon adaptor is more likely called something-T3. T3 simply denotes the 
 electronic release connector on the camera (There are 3 different standards 
 for EOS, T3, N3 and E3. N3 is the current one for high-end bodies, E3 is the 
 Pentax compatible one on the Rebels)

 -Adam


 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
 The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
 steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
 If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
 the camera...

 Adam Maas wrote:
 
 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
   
 I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
 device that you would screw a old fashioned cable release into which 
 would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
 an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
 original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
 haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
 applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
 with the *ist-D/Ds).

 I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
 and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.

 
 
 Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
 MR-3. I've got one somewhere.

 -Adam


   
   
 



   


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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Bob Blakely
Where the hell does that crap come from and how the hell does it relate to 
W. Robb's response to M. Roberts post:

 Tell him your name is Bill Robb and he'll probably pee himself out of
 fear :)

Regards,
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and another woman makes a fool of him in twenty minutes.
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- Original Message - 
From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 William Robb wrote:

 I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:

Assuming that the official judges are 
employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate 
the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that 
meet 
Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in 
displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their 
job 
per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies 
the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in 
photography.

Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, 
though.

From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty 
sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. 

The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!) 
has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting 
because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no 
fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't 
have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found 
a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with 
the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what 
makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent 
compromise given the constraints they're under.

I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much 
knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem 
at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work 
(especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the 
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Re: Stolen Photos

2007-07-11 Thread Bob Blakely
So basically, it's NOT fear of their neighbor's freedom in the sense folks 
would normally take your statement, it's fear of their neighbor's license 
(Lack of due restraint; excessive freedom: When liberty becomes license, 
dictatorship is near - William Durant, or freedom that allows or is used 
with irresponsibility and disregard for standards of personal conduct : 
LICENTIOUSNESS, - that which usurps a liberty at the expense of denying 
another's liberty).

Our founding documents distinguish between what they referred to as liberty 
and license.

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and another woman makes a fool of him in twenty minutes.
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- Original Message - 
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 William Robb wrote:

  I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.

(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
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 to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to 
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
I agree that having the same photographer looking at the same photos
over and over sounds like a glitch. It says in the FAQ that a vote
casted is final, and cannot be undone or redone.

OTOH, I think having many photographers looking at the same photos is
how it is supposed  to work. To get a tally on the member's
preferences.

However, I do expect that they plan to share the load among the
members, so that each photo is reviewed by a limited number of people,
say 5 or 10. Otherwise we would, each and every one of us, have to
flip through all of the submissions sans our own. They can't possibly
think we'd have a chance to accomplish that.


Jostein


2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
 all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
 that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
 reason to continue spending the time voting.
 Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

2007-07-11 Thread David J Brooks
I like the DOF you choose. Love that lens

Dave

On 7/11/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 One more taken on my trip (~160kb):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP5226.jpg
 K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

 This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

2007-07-11 Thread David J Brooks
Strong whites, but i think it adds to the feel of the photo, like it
really was taken many many years ago and left in a shoebox type of
thing.

BTW thats a good thing Godders.:-)

The lines in the photo really work well

Dave

On 7/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Alcatraz,

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm

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Re: Duplicate Voting?

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
I think you're exactly right. They, also, must have a way of tracking
the vote count on each submission and a programed 'image pull' when
that point is reached.

Jack
--- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree that having the same photographer looking at the same photos
 over and over sounds like a glitch. It says in the FAQ that a vote
 casted is final, and cannot be undone or redone.
 
 OTOH, I think having many photographers looking at the same photos is
 how it is supposed  to work. To get a tally on the member's
 preferences.
 
 However, I do expect that they plan to share the load among the
 members, so that each photo is reviewed by a limited number of
 people,
 say 5 or 10. Otherwise we would, each and every one of us, have to
 flip through all of the submissions sans our own. They can't possibly
 think we'd have a chance to accomplish that.
 
 
 Jostein
 
 
 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means
 that
  all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors.
 If
  that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I
 see no
  reason to continue spending the time voting.
  Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)
 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Davis
Me too!

Jack
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Scott Loveless wrote:
 
 Assuming that the official judges are 
 employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to
 operate 
 the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that 
 meet 
 Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested
 in 
 displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
 camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their
 
 job 
 per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what
 qualifies 
 the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in 
 photography.
 
 Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, 
 though.
 
 From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm
 pretty 
 sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. 
 
 The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or
 not!) 
 has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting
 
 because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is
 no 
 fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't 
 have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've
 found 
 a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say
 with 
 the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in
 what 
 makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent 
 compromise given the constraints they're under.
 
 I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much 
 knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no
 problem 
 at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work
 
 (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the 
 official judges).
 
 
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
Jack,

There seems to be something wrong with the whole thing, now. I too get
the same photos over and over, as if it doesn't register the votes at
all.

Jostein


2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
 all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
 that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
 reason to continue spending the time voting.
 Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)

 Jack



 
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread AlunFoto
Well said, Mark.

I kinda regret the title I put on this thread.

Jostein

2007/7/11, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Scott Loveless wrote:

 Assuming that the official judges are
 employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate
 the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that
 meet
 Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in
 displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax
 camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their
 job
 per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies
 the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in
 photography.
 
 Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched,
 though.

 From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty
 sure the official judges do have a good background in photography.

 The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!)
 has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting
 because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no
 fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't
 have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found
 a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with
 the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what
 makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent
 compromise given the constraints they're under.

 I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much
 knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem
 at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work
 (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the
 official judges).


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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

2007-07-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
 IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
 through 50-60 images like Jack did.

Did I miss something? 
No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish.

Kenneth Waller

 Original Message - 
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?


 It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
 However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
 project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
 couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
 the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
 :-)
 
 You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
 profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
 navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up
 a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
 is selected by random.
 
 I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
 IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
 through 50-60 images like Jack did.
 
 Jostein
 
 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up
 with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
 would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
 moment.

 Jack
 --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
  photos
  that were presented to me.
 
  It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
  were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
  system is foolproof yet.
 
  --
  Bruce
 
 
  Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
 
  A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and
  was
  A met with the below text.
 
  A Anyone picked up news about this before?
 
  A Jostein
 
  A === Quote start =
  A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
  ability
  A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can
  A participate in the voting process.
 
  A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
  A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot
  vote
  A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for
  A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
  protect
  A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
  viewed
  A by the photographer.
 
  A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however,
  A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
  reserves
  A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has
  A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
  including,
  A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios,
  the
  A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality
  of
  A the image.
 
  A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
  image.
  A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
  subject
  A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
 
  A === Quote end =


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