RE: PESO: a prickly proposition

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
Very good shot.

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 Behalf Of Alastair Robertson
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 Subject: PESO: a prickly proposition
 
 http://www.pbase.com/image/90022150
 
 Taken last weekend while fooling around looking for bird shots.
This
 is borage and a bumblebee both introduced from Europe.  Borage is
 surprisingly prickly which at first glance doesn't seem very well
 armed but seeing it close up it's no wonder it's a bit of a handful.
 Bumblebees on the other hand are surprisingly benign despite their
 potentially painful sting.  That is unless you start digging up
their
 nests which I had to do for some research I did in the UK years ago.
 
 Specs: K10D, Sigma APO 300/4 AF, handheld
 1/350 F6.7 ISO800
 
 Comments  Critique welcome.
 
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Re: PESO -- From the Bridge

2007-12-08 Thread Cotty
On 07/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

I'd  clone out the telephone wires

That's steel barrier on a road.

And I'd clone it out as well ;-)

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Re: PESO: Iceberg

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Alastair,
I've used the 1.7AF a bit, but not in lower light.
The AF hunting trick is new to me.
I'll give it a try!  Thanks.
(And yes, they are going for outrageous prices.)
Regards,  Bob S.



On Dec 7, 2007 11:37 PM, Alastair Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bob

 sorry wrote that in a hurry.  The beauty of the F1.7x AF teleconverter
 is that it can autofocus manual focus lenses (or AF lenses set to MF
 as in my case with the Sigma 300).  You manually set the approximate
 focal length on the lens and put the camera on AF and when you fire
 the shutter the AF mechanism drives  internal elements within the t/c
 to autofocus the image within the tolerance limits of the t/c (it
 can't focus when the lens is set to a focal length that is a long way
 from the correct setting for the subject in view).  The result is a
 very fast autofocus and no hunting up and down the focal length of the
 lens, which is what tends to happen in low light levels when you have
 a AF lens mounted directly.  Some AF lenses have focal limits which
 acheives the same sort of effect but is less flexible and slower than
 the result using the t/c.  Hope that makes more sense!

 see Boz's page if your not familiar with this beast
 http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/teleconverters/F1.7X.html

 These things are like hen's teeth and fetch ridiculous prices on ebay
 of more than $600!  I am still kicking myself when I was too slow to
 pick another one up from a NZ shop that had it at NZ$95 recently
 (about US$60).

 Alastair




 On Dec 8, 2007 6:16 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Technically you just lost me... Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
  On Dec 7, 2007 9:24 PM, Alastair Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://www.pbase.com/image/90022721
  
   Taken at home - trying to get bird pictures again, but captured the
   white blooms of the rose iceberg up against the dark hedge.
  
   Specs: K10D AF1.7x Sigma 300/4 APO monopod
   1/2000 F4.0 ISO200
  
   Not the sharpest combination at this aperture but quick AF response
   since you set the approx focal length on the lens and put it on MF and
   the camera on AF and even at low light levels the AF doesn't hunt
   since you have effectively limited the focal length the AF of the
   camera can explore.
  
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Re: PESO: a prickly proposition

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
Like this one a lot.

Good back ground and nice and sharp bee.

Dave

On Dec 7, 2007 10:07 PM, Alastair Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.pbase.com/image/90022150

 Taken last weekend while fooling around looking for bird shots.  This
 is borage and a bumblebee both introduced from Europe.  Borage is
 surprisingly prickly which at first glance doesn't seem very well
 armed but seeing it close up it's no wonder it's a bit of a handful.
 Bumblebees on the other hand are surprisingly benign despite their
 potentially painful sting.  That is unless you start digging up their
 nests which I had to do for some research I did in the UK years ago.

 Specs: K10D, Sigma APO 300/4 AF, handheld
 1/350 F6.7 ISO800

 Comments  Critique welcome.

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Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
It could mean they paid the maker to give them exclusive rights.  
Particularly in adspeak.
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:25 AM, graywolf wrote:

 What does proprietary mean?

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Re: PESO: My Wallpaper

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
I'm glad!

Thanks, Marnie.

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Re: December PUG

2007-12-08 Thread Eactivist
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Best are Flying by Reinard Sy  (taht an angoram?) and Laughing Girl by
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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks
Subject: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8


 Just curious if anyone has picked one up yet and has any comments.

 I have been looking at this, and its well received at Pentaxforums dot
 com, however i notice a $300 price difference form Henrys and BH.

 Whats the point of having a dollar at par.??:-)

I tested one just after they arrived in Regina, and was very tempted, but 
I'm holding out for the 60-250 at the moment. I think for me it will be the 
better lens.

The dollar on par is a transitory thing, don't get too used to it. The 
Canadian economy is too dependant on having our dollar worth quite a bit 
less than the US one.

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re: PESO -- From the Bridge

2007-12-08 Thread Mike Hamilton

On 8-Dec-07, at 9:07 AM, Cotty wrote:


 On 07/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

 I'd  clone out the telephone wires

 That's steel barrier on a road.

 And I'd clone it out as well ;-)

Done and done!  Haven't uploaded the cloned version as of yet, but  
thanks for the tip.

Mike

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Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
Just curious if anyone has picked one up yet and has any comments.

I have been looking at this, and its well received at Pentaxforums dot
com, however i notice a $300 price difference form Henrys and BH.

Whats the point of having a dollar at par.??:-)

Dave

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Re: PESO -- From the Bridge

2007-12-08 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 8-Dec-07, at 9:07 AM, Dave  Brooks wrote:


 I like this one. Good Canadian  winter feel to it.

 I agree with Cotty, i'd try and clone out the steel.

  I say try, as thats as far as I would get.


Thanks, Dave and the others that commented.

Mike

 LOL

 Dave

 On Dec 7, 2007 9:12 PM, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/12/07/from-the-bridge/

 Taken on a walk last week.  Of course, my daylight hours are spent at
 work.  This was at 8:45pm, from a bridge over the Mill Creek Ravine
 in Edmonton, AB.


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Lightroom v1.3.1 update is available for download

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
See information about it at

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2007/12/ 
lightroom_131_and_camera_raw_4.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/3dngty

Godfrey

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Re: Young Cesar

2007-12-08 Thread Eactivist
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Re: PESO: a prickly proposition

2007-12-08 Thread David Savage
That's really very nice.

Well done.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO -- From the Bridge

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
I like this one. Good Canadian  winter feel to it.

I agree with Cotty, i'd try and clone out the steel.

 I say try, as thats as far as I would get.

LOL

Dave

On Dec 7, 2007 9:12 PM, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Taken on a walk last week.  Of course, my daylight hours are spent at
 work.  This was at 8:45pm, from a bridge over the Mill Creek Ravine
 in Edmonton, AB.

 K10D, DA14:  6.0 sec @ f/6.7, ISO 400.

 Comments welcome!

 Thanks for looking!

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Interesting post about DA*200 and DA*300

2007-12-08 Thread Thibouille
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25936554

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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've been using it for a few weeks. A very nice lens: solidly made  
and excellent IQ. It's a bit longer focal length range than I use on  
average and bulkier than I usually carry around for casual picture  
taking, but a fine addition to the kit.

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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 8, 2007 9:25 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been using it for a few weeks. A very nice lens: solidly made
 and excellent IQ. It's a bit longer focal length range than I use on
 average and bulkier than I usually carry around for casual picture
 taking, but a fine addition to the kit.

Thanks

Some members of that other forum speak highly of it, but at the same
time a lot speak lowly of the 16-50 F2.8, so i thought i'd ask.
They seem to think the 50-135 is nice and sharp.

I could use this lens, i think. Most of my equine shots are in the 135
to 150 range anyway, so it might work out.

O\Nice day today, maybe some BW winter stuff and test my Sigma 300 F4
and 1.4c tele in decent light to see if the AF problems are more poor
light related.

Dave

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GESO Santa Claus Parade shots

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2007-parade/index.htm

For those that are into parades.

Nothing earth shattering, but a few cute ones.

K10D, 16-45, beer.

Dave

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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 8, 2007, at 6:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 I've been using it for a few weeks. A very nice lens: solidly made
 and excellent IQ. It's a bit longer focal length range than I use on
 average and bulkier than I usually carry around for casual picture
 taking, but a fine addition to the kit.

 Thanks

 Some members of that other forum speak highly of it, but at the same
 time a lot speak lowly of the 16-50 F2.8, so i thought i'd ask.
 They seem to think the 50-135 is nice and sharp.

 I could use this lens, i think. Most of my equine shots are in the 135
 to 150 range anyway, so it might work out.

I have both of the DA* zooms on hand to work with.

I like the 50-135 more than the 16-50 but primarily because I prefer  
the light and compact size of the 21 and 43 for the shorter focal  
length range, and I like using primes. The 16-50's image quality is  
very good, almost on par with the two primes, and if I have a  
situation where I need fast focal length flexibility or weather  
sealing it would certainly be on the camera immediately.

What I like a lot about the 50-135 is that it is an internal focus/ 
internal zoom lens: once on the camera it is a fixed size and  
balance. The IF/IZ design limits its close focus to some degree and  
makes it a bit bulkier, but I greatly prefer the rigidity and balance  
of this kind of design over the telescoping designs.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO: bowling this monday :D

2007-12-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/6/2007 1:53:06 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Me and my ex-co-workers had  a party this monday and the pub had 2 
bowling fields... In the pause I took  this  shot:
http://timber.clancode.hu/e107_plugins/coppermine_menu/displayimage.php?pos=-2
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Comments  are welcome ^.~

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Re: Young Cesar

2007-12-08 Thread ann sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:

Happy Birthday, buddy!

cheers,
frank

  

Ditto - from Cesar's fellow Sagitarian
(frank, you better remember my birthday ! :) :)

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Open Apology Letter to Listers

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
This AM I finally became convinced that my computer's LED screen was
too dark. 
I dug out my Huey and set about its re-calibration. When finished, I
saw a much lighter screen image.
I went back and pulled up First Snow which was posted by Francis, I
believe, and saw what I consider a beautifully exposed image.
All my saved files (the ones I checked) are now lighter, to the point
where I set about doing some re-works. It hadn't been that long since
last using Huey, so am surprised.
I apologize for the wonderment I might have caused by posting misguided
exposure reviews.
I'll watch it in the future.

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Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
Based on what I've seen, the E-3 is much closer to the D200 than the
D300 at 3200, and certainly inferior to the 40D (Poor resolution of
detail due to excessive NR).

-Adam

On 12/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
 
  It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about
  for a
  few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor
  maker.
 
 
  Gee whiz.  Doesn't Samsung have the capability to do that sort of
  thing?

 Panasonic manufactures the NMOS 4/3 System sensor that the Olympus
 E-3 is using. From what I've seen, that chip has pretty darn nice ISO
 3200 noise characteristics ... better than the Canon 40D, and very
 close to on-par with the Nikon D300 (the latest new technology
 16x24 sensor DSLR). Given Olympus' spec for active chip area, that's
 10.1 Mpixel spread over 13x17.3 mm chip area, or ~44,900 pixels/
 square mm.

 A 16x24 mm sensor having 14 Mpixel with the same technology would
 have lower density and presumably even better noise characteristics,
 at ~36,450 pixels per square mm. The K10D's older technology sensor
 has about 26300 pixels per square mm by comparison.

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Re: PESO: Spancer aka Kitty Claus

2007-12-08 Thread ann sanfedele
Walter Hamler wrote:

Great shot Ann. You have a lovely cat as well.
Spencer (mispelled in origonal post) does not like clothing nor the
camera, and it was pretty evident he was not happy with us.

Walt

thanks, Walt
Yeah, it was clear Spencer wasn't pleased :)  I've never even tried to 
put stuff on Ashley.
but she is tolerant of the camera - except when I use flash... :)

ann

  

Ashley definitely would not --
last year I made this xmas card --  I'm a bit better at photoshop now,
but in a way my clumsiness at it
might add to the joke

http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff.89477535

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync.
ME - Alright
ME Super - Horrid UI.
KX, big, heavy.
Super Program - see ME Super
LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot.

The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my
K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and
ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies
(I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip
added).

-Adam

On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You are absolutely right Cory.
 The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away.
 The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands.
 The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires.
 The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school.
 I feel like a pro with the little MX.
 And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so
 nimble and flexible.
 Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5
 fps winder.
 Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Godfrey,
  you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate.  I tend to impart a
  soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will
  never own for lack of funds).
  I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as
  a teenager.
  I admire gadgets and equipment.  I'm sure I give them more importance than
  they're really worth.
 
  I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the
  current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time.  We'll have
  dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot
  be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and
  can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is
  interesting
 
  God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even
  a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037.
 
  Cory
 
  I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good
   times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do
   with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not.
  
   But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools.
   It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-)
  
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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 8, 2007 11:04 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks
 Subject: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8


  Just curious if anyone has picked one up yet and has any comments.
 
  I have been looking at this, and its well received at Pentaxforums dot
  com, however i notice a $300 price difference form Henrys and BH.
 
  Whats the point of having a dollar at par.??:-)

 I tested one just after they arrived in Regina, and was very tempted, but
 I'm holding out for the 60-250 at the moment. I think for me it will be the
 better lens.

 The dollar on par is a transitory thing, don't get too used to it. The
 Canadian economy is too dependant on having our dollar worth quite a bit
 less than the US one.

True.

Now i see  Camaera Canada is $500 more than BH.??

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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
BH Photo probably gets a huge volume discount and you guys are paying a 
VAT included in the list price IIRC where as our sales taxes are added 
on later.

David J Brooks wrote:
 On Dec 8, 2007 11:04 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks
 Subject: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8


 
 Just curious if anyone has picked one up yet and has any comments.

 I have been looking at this, and its well received at Pentaxforums dot
 com, however i notice a $300 price difference form Henrys and BH.

 Whats the point of having a dollar at par.??:-)
   
 I tested one just after they arrived in Regina, and was very tempted, but
 I'm holding out for the 60-250 at the moment. I think for me it will be the
 better lens.

 The dollar on par is a transitory thing, don't get too used to it. The
 Canadian economy is too dependant on having our dollar worth quite a bit
 less than the US one.
 

 True.

 Now i see  Camaera Canada is $500 more than BH.??

 Dave
   
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Re: Open Apology Letter to Listers

2007-12-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis
Subject: Open Apology Letter to Listers


 This AM I finally became convinced that my computer's LED screen was
 too dark.
 I dug out my Huey and set about its re-calibration. When finished, I
 saw a much lighter screen image.
 I went back and pulled up First Snow which was posted by Francis, I
 believe, and saw what I consider a beautifully exposed image.
 All my saved files (the ones I checked) are now lighter, to the point
 where I set about doing some re-works. It hadn't been that long since
 last using Huey, so am surprised.
 I apologize for the wonderment I might have caused by posting misguided
 exposure reviews.
 I'll watch it in the future.

That's OK, my new system is putting me through calibration hell also, and I 
use a monitor spyder. A couple of weeks ago, I ended up trying out the 
visual calibration tools that came packed with my monitor driver to see if 
that would work better (it didn't). I finally changed software from OptiCal, 
which worked really well with my CRT to PhotCal, and that seems to be 
better, but as of yet I haven't printed anything with the new calibration, 
so I don't know for sure.

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Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)

2007-12-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Robinson
Subject: Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)



 I did, and even got an RMA for one of the cards before realizing that
 the problem happens with other Sandisk cards as well.

 I'm still torn about whether or not to even bother sending the RMA'ed
 card in.  Part of me thinks I should, as insurance and the other
 part thinks it would be a waste of time.


The store gave you a loaner camera, right? Use your problem card in it for 
a while and see what happens. My bet though, from your description is the 
camera is flaky.

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PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-08 Thread Cotty
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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8




 Now i see  Camaera Canada is $500 more than BH.??


I heard one time that BH did more volume yearly than the entire Canadian 
industry. That's going to account for some of it, lower American taxes are 
some of it, there is always the possibility that PCI bought when the 
Canadian$ was devalued, as the present giddiness is fairly recent, and I'll 
guarantee you that both PCI and the Canadian retailers are stepping on the 
pricing harder. It is more expensive to do business in Canada, and so we pay 
more for stuff.

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Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.

I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.

http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg

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Re: GESO Santa Claus Parade shots

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Fun stuff Dave.
I sent my son a link to Santa's  'reindeer' dog.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 8, 2007 8:42 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2007-parade/index.htm

 For those that are into parades.

 Nothing earth shattering, but a few cute ones.

 K10D, 16-45, beer.

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Big hands Adam? Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 8, 2007 11:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
 relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync.
 ME - Alright
 ME Super - Horrid UI.
 KX, big, heavy.
 Super Program - see ME Super
 LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot.

 The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my
 K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and
 ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies
 (I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip
 added).

 -Adam

 On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You are absolutely right Cory.
  The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away.
  The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands.
  The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires.
  The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school.
  I feel like a pro with the little MX.
  And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so
  nimble and flexible.
  Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5
  fps winder.
  Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Godfrey,
   you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate.  I tend to impart a
   soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will
   never own for lack of funds).
   I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls 
   as
   a teenager.
   I admire gadgets and equipment.  I'm sure I give them more importance than
   they're really worth.
  
   I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the
   current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time.  We'll have
   dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and 
   cannot
   be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and
   can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is
   interesting
  
   God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or 
   even
   a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037.
  
   Cory
  
   I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good
times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do
with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not.
   
But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools.
It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-)
   
Godfrey
   
  
  
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Christmas, 1984

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
At a local retail temple:

http://www.web-options.com/_C086725.jpg

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Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-08 Thread Francis
Good morning all!

http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_id=1s=pentaxdiscuss
Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow showed up 
at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning after our first 
big snowfall

It's very embarrassing, up until last night when I looked it up, I 
thought that junco was spelled Junko, and I'd been spewing it all over 
the internet with a K. Now I'm going to have to sort though and cleanse 
my entire photo database. :(


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RE: GESO Santa Claus Parade shots

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
Is Stouffville a real place, or just a figbox of everyone's
imagination?

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 Sent: 08 December 2007 14:43
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 Subject: GESO Santa Claus Parade shots
 
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2007-parade/index.htm
 
 For those that are into parades.
 
 Nothing earth shattering, but a few cute ones.
 
 K10D, 16-45, beer.
 
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Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
handheld:

http://www.web-options.com/Wet/

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RE: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
Bird on twig with catchlights - but a very lovely photo all the same.
Lovely texture, especially on the dark head feathers.

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 Subject: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~
 
 Good morning all!
 
 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_i
 d=1s=pentaxdiscuss
 Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow 
 showed up 
 at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning 
 after our first 
 big snowfall
 
 It's very embarrassing, up until last night when I looked it up, I 
 thought that junco was spelled Junko, and I'd been spewing it 
 all over 
 the internet with a K. Now I'm going to have to sort though 
 and cleanse 
 my entire photo database. :(
 
 
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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread graywolf
OK, I think that if it were my photo, I would crop it just below the top of the 
window sills. I might crop a bit off the left too, making the phone booths 
balanced and letting the people and the tree give it dynamics; although I would 
have to try that to know if I would really like it that way.

Phone booths are pretty much a thing of the past over on this side of the 
Alantic. Sad, but then almost anyone can afford a prepaid cel-phone. Speaking 
of 
which, I have to remember to get a new card as my time is running out.


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Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/
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 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.
 
 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.
 
 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
 
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Re: PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
Good action moment complimented by your clever catch of the wall
silhouette.
Well seen, Cottty!

Jack
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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
I like the graphic aspect of it, but the people aren't needed.
I'd level it the little bit it needs.
I may be a shot to put away for it's historic value. I understand those
coin operated pay phones are no longer being produced in the US.

Jack
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 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
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GESO: Cassis (in Provence)

2007-12-08 Thread Inner Focus
Well, since many of you live in cold regions of the world, let me dedicate this 
to you: a very small gallery (only 5 photos - out of which only 3 of them I 
really like)
 from Cassis, a very chic village and resort in southern France, on the
 shore of the Mediterranean sea. Enjoy the calm, warm colours of the sunset. 
Think of armagnac while watching (and if you don't know what that is, just 
sip a brandy ;) ).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/innerfocus/sets/72157603292026050/

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Re: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well done Francis!  I like the light/lite background for winter.
Regards, Bob S.

On Dec 8, 2007 1:52 PM, Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good morning all!

 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_id=1s=pentaxdiscuss
 Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow showed up
 at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning after our first
 big snowfall

 It's very embarrassing, up until last night when I looked it up, I
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Re: GESO Santa Claus Parade shots

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
It appears to be.  So is Podunk, well actually it's many places but I 
happen to live near one of them.

Bob W wrote:
 Is Stouffville a real place, or just a figbox of everyone's
 imagination?

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 Subject: GESO Santa Claus Parade shots

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2007-parade/index.htm

 For those that are into parades.

 Nothing earth shattering, but a few cute ones.

 K10D, 16-45, beer.

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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Francis
Really nice!
I especially like the ice skating one.

Good stuff (though I think if you had used a tripod they would have been 
even better).

Francis


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 Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
 Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
 handheld:

 http://www.web-options.com/Wet/

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been 
disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two young 
men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps quite 
a bit.

Bob W wrote:
 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.

 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.

 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg

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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bob,
I particularly like three of them...
1)  the cream colored building with lighted windows and reflections in
the wet foreground,
2)  the lamp post(s) and walkway leading under the bridge,  and
3)  the last one of an industrial site across the water.
The reflected light on the water or pavement makes a nice contribution
to the mood.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 8, 2007 2:13 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
 Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
 handheld:

 http://www.web-options.com/Wet/

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Polyhead
It would have more contrast of color if taken in late spring.  Some green with 
the bright red phone booths would look nice.  That asside I like the shot 
anyway.

 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.
 
 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.
 
 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
 
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Re: PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cotty, What Jack said...Regards,  Bob S.

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 Well seen, Cottty!

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RE: Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
 Good stuff (though I think if you had used a tripod they 
 would have been 
 even better).

thanks. Yes, a tripod... or an E-3 with 5 stops of image
stabilisation! That sounds like enablement to me...

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 Really nice!
 I especially like the ice skating one.
 
 Good stuff (though I think if you had used a tripod they 
 would have been 
 even better).
 
 Francis
 
 
 Bob W wrote:
  Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
  Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
  handheld:
 
  http://www.web-options.com/Wet/
 
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RE: GESO: Cassis (in Provence)

2007-12-08 Thread Bob W
The pictures of the waves on the rocks are really nice - lovely soft
textures and light, with the warmth of the area well captured.

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 Subject: GESO: Cassis (in Provence)
 
 Well, since many of you live in cold regions of the world, 
 let me dedicate this to you: a very small gallery (only 5 
 photos - out of which only 3 of them I really like)
  from Cassis, a very chic village and resort in southern 
 France, on the
  shore of the Mediterranean sea. Enjoy the calm, warm colours 
 of the sunset. Think of armagnac while watching (and if you 
 don't know what that is, just sip a brandy ;) ).
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/innerfocus/sets/72157603292026050/
 
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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Ken Waller
Nice crisp image, but it doesn't work for me, not sure why.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Subject: Opinions please


 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.
 
 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.
 
 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
 
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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Brian Walters
Yes, I agree with Peter on this.  Without the two men it would be a nice scene 
but those two guys are obviously enjoying themselves and it adds a great deal 
more interest to the image.


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Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been 
 disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two
 young 
 men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps
 quite 
 a bit.
 
 Bob W wrote:
  This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and
 have
  photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this
 photo
  last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why
 this
  composition is (in my view) more successful than previous
 attempts.
 
  I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and
 why.
 
  http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
 
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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Stan Halpin
I like it. And I asked my resident photo critic (aka wife) and she  
mostly likes it.
1. The red phone booths work well as the color contrast against an  
otherwise monochromatic scene.
2. Nice dynamics of the two guys walking and talking and seeming to  
enjoy themselves.
3. Nice framing of the two guys with the arch of the tree branches.
4. I don't think it would work as well with leaves on the tree or  
green grass on the ground. Unless you rendered it in BW.
5. Which, by the way, would be interesting to see.

My wife's comments - she would have preferred the two guys a bit  
closer together and slightly to the left. I thik she doesn't want  
anyone blocking the view of the phone booths. I actually think it  
gains this way - the phone booths are there as a significant element,  
but the eye quickly gets drawn to the people. If the right-hand booth  
were also unblocked, the booths would be too prominent.

stan

On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Bob W wrote:

 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.

 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.

 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg

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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Toine
Nr 2 would be my favorite, very nice. Are they skating?
Toine

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 Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
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Re: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-08 Thread Alastair Robertson
Nice portrait.  Very good job keeping details in the black feathers of
the head. What was the equipment?

Alastair

On Dec 9, 2007 9:15 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bird on twig with catchlights - but a very lovely photo all the same.
 Lovely texture, especially on the dark head feathers.

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  showed up
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  thought that junco was spelled Junko, and I'd been spewing it
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Re: open apology to listers

2007-12-08 Thread AlunFoto
Bill, Jack,

Just out of curiosity; which chipset are your video cards based on?
I ask because I'm annoyed with my nVidia 8600 -based card. It's made
by Asus, but brand doesn't matter since nVidia provides the drivers.

What the nVidia driver does is to override the colour profile loaded
by Spyder on startup, so I have to re-run the Spyder startup routine
manually, about a minute after login. My machine runs Vista 64 bit,
but the issue is the same on my friends computer with XP.

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Alastair Robertson
I like this a lot.  The two people match the two boxes well, and I
like the overarching tree and the patches of light which adds depth.
It looks level to me though with slight converging verticals
presumably a wide-angle lens was used?

Alastair

On Dec 9, 2007 10:48 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, I agree with Peter on this.  Without the two men it would be a nice 
 scene but those two guys are obviously enjoying themselves and it adds a 
 great deal more interest to the image.


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 Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been
  disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two
  young
  men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps
  quite
  a bit.
 
  Bob W wrote:
   This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and
  have
   photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this
  photo
   last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why
  this
   composition is (in my view) more successful than previous
  attempts.
  
   I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and
  why.
  
   http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
  
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Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)

2007-12-08 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 8, 2007, at 13:16, William Robb wrote:

 The store gave you a loaner camera, right? Use your problem card  
 in it for
 a while and see what happens. My bet though, from your description  
 is the
 camera is flaky.


That's the plan!  Already working that direction.  Thanks for the  
suggestion.

Two things about the DL I prefer over the DS:
  1. Larger rear screen
  2. Quieter shutter/mirror slap (kind of a shunk vs. clack! sound)

Two things I like LESS about the DL vs DS:
  1. Fewer focus points
  2. Teeny-tiny focus screen (that Pentamirror vs. Pentaprism sure  
makes a difference)

One thing I don't give a darn about one way or the other:
  1. Buffer size.  I never shoot more than a 3-frame burst anyways.

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
A lot to like here. The light is very nice. The rays of light  
splashing across the sidewalk and hitting the phone booth and  
beautiful are excellent. While there is balance to the composition,  
you didn't try to make it symmetrical. And it's far enough removed  
from symmetrical to make it apparent that you didn't try and fail.  
And the two smiling boys are a huge plus. They give live to the  
scene. Excellent photo.
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Bob W wrote:

 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.

 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.

 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg

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Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I seldom shoot more than a three frame burst either, but the Ds is ready 
for another three frame burst much sooner than the DL.

Charles Robinson wrote:
 On Dec 8, 2007, at 13:16, William Robb wrote:
   
 The store gave you a loaner camera, right? Use your problem card  
 in it for
 a while and see what happens. My bet though, from your description  
 is the
 camera is flaky.

 

 That's the plan!  Already working that direction.  Thanks for the  
 suggestion.

 Two things about the DL I prefer over the DS:
   1. Larger rear screen
   2. Quieter shutter/mirror slap (kind of a shunk vs. clack! sound)

 Two things I like LESS about the DL vs DS:
   1. Fewer focus points
   2. Teeny-tiny focus screen (that Pentamirror vs. Pentaprism sure  
 makes a difference)

 One thing I don't give a darn about one way or the other:
   1. Buffer size.  I never shoot more than a 3-frame burst anyways.

   -Charles

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Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Are u looking at JPEGs? No NR on RAW.

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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:17:09 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Based on what I've seen, the E-3 is much closer to the D200 than the
D300 at 3200, and certainly inferior to the 40D (Poor resolution of
detail due to excessive NR).

-Adam

On 12/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
 
  It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about
  for a
  few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor
  maker.
 
 
  Gee whiz.  Doesn't Samsung have the capability to do that sort of
  thing?

 Panasonic manufactures the NMOS 4/3 System sensor that the Olympus
 E-3 is using. From what I've seen, that chip has pretty darn nice ISO
 3200 noise characteristics ... better than the Canon 40D, and very
 close to on-par with the Nikon D300 (the latest new technology
 16x24 sensor DSLR). Given Olympus' spec for active chip area, that's
 10.1 Mpixel spread over 13x17.3 mm chip area, or ~44,900 pixels/
 square mm.

 A 16x24 mm sensor having 14 Mpixel with the same technology would
 have lower density and presumably even better noise characteristics,
 at ~36,450 pixels per square mm. The K10D's older technology sensor
 has about 26300 pixels per square mm by comparison.

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Re: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-08 Thread ann sanfedele
Francis wrote:

Good morning all!

http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_id=1s=pentaxdiscuss
Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow showed up 
at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning after our first 
big snowfall

It's very embarrassing, up until last night when I looked it up, I 
thought that junco was spelled Junko, and I'd been spewing it all over 
the internet with a K. Now I'm going to have to sort though and cleanse 
my entire photo database. :(


Cheers,
Francis

  


Sweet photo, Francis!

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Re: open apology to listers

2007-12-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/8/2007 2:45:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill, Jack,

Just out of curiosity; which  chipset are your video cards based on?
I ask because I'm annoyed with my  nVidia 8600 -based card. It's made
by Asus, but brand doesn't matter since  nVidia provides the drivers.

What the nVidia driver does is to override  the colour profile loaded
by Spyder on startup, so I have to re-run the  Spyder startup routine
manually, about a minute after login. My machine runs  Vista 64 bit,
but the issue is the same on my friends computer with  XP.

Jostein

==
Hmmm, I have an nVida card. :-(
 
How do you run the Spyder startup routine manually, Jostein?

Marnie  aka Doe   I also have a Spyder and I, also, often tell people they 
are  too dark.

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PESO: Coffee Shop Gamers

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Another coffee shop pic. K10D with the FA 50/1.4. Cropped to about  
60% of frame, ISO 1000, f2.5 @ 1/100th.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6719465size=lg

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PESO: Holiday Films

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
K10D, FA 50/1.4, f3.2 @ 1/125th, ISO 640.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6719554

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Re: PESO: Coffee Shop Gamers

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
This I like, Paul.
The energy of the girl would make a terrific picture in any setting.
Very well caught!

Jack
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Re: open apology to listers

2007-12-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: AlunFoto
Subject: Re: open apology to listers


 Bill, Jack,

 Just out of curiosity; which chipset are your video cards based on?
 I ask because I'm annoyed with my nVidia 8600 -based card. It's made
 by Asus, but brand doesn't matter since nVidia provides the drivers.

 What the nVidia driver does is to override the colour profile loaded
 by Spyder on startup, so I have to re-run the Spyder startup routine
 manually, about a minute after login. My machine runs Vista 64 bit,
 but the issue is the same on my friends computer with XP.

As best as I can tell, My card uses a Parhelia chipset. I've spent about a 
half hour on this, and this is as close as I've gotten to an answer.
Have you gone into the color management ara of your display properties and 
told the darned thing which color profile to use as the default?

William Robb 


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Re: PESO: Holiday Films

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
Exposure triumph! Even the benefit of great DOF. (Patrons moving away
from the camera allowed that, I suspect).
Very well done.

Jack
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PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I decided to take some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped the 
contrast a bit, made the exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also applied 
a yellow filter during conversion as opposed to the green filter I had 
used heretofore, and straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop it as 
I composed for the viewfinder.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html

and the original if anyone would like to compare them.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html

Equipment: didn't change

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Blakely
Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what 
one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who 
will remember...

Regards,
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Re: PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
P.J., I hope OK that I down loaded '40' and did a bit to pull down the
blinding sky. Spoiled it for me.
It will be deleted as soon as it's been posted.

Jack :)

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=274


--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I decided to take some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped the
 
 contrast a bit, made the exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also
 applied 
 a yellow filter during conversion as opposed to the green filter I
 had 
 used heretofore, and straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop it
 as 
 I composed for the viewfinder.
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html
 
 and the original if anyone would like to compare them.
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html
 
 Equipment: didn't change
 
 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
 
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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Blakely
For some folks, there is a warmly felt appreciation for a craftsman like 
elegance that transcends the function of the tool itself. The H1a, etal., 
the Spotmatics and their K-mount cousins, the MX, the ME-Super and the LX. 
These each had and continue to have such an appeal to me. It's much like the 
fond appreciation I have for an old, brass mariner's sextant that was handed 
down to me. Of course GPS is easier and so much more accurate, but that 
sextant will shine with it's own appeal long after the plastic cased, non 
reparable GPS units have been replaced with another plastic doohickey. Folks 
who drive REO's will understand this to.

Regards,
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 On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 You are absolutely right Cory.
 The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away.
 The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands.
 The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires.
 The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school.
 I feel like a pro with the little MX.
 And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so
 nimble and flexible.
 Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5
 fps winder.
 Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to.

 Sorry. I had an MX: it was nice but I prefer my Nikon FM2n for that
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Re: PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
The sky is being a PITA.  You brought down the sky but lost detail in 
the shadows.  That's why I went with green filter and lower contrast 
approach earlier.  I guess it needs more work.

Jack Davis wrote:
 P.J., I hope OK that I down loaded '40' and did a bit to pull down the
 blinding sky. Spoiled it for me.
 It will be deleted as soon as it's been posted.

 Jack :)

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=274


 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I decided to take some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped the

 contrast a bit, made the exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also
 applied 
 a yellow filter during conversion as opposed to the green filter I
 had 
 used heretofore, and straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop it
 as 
 I composed for the viewfinder.


 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html
   
 and the original if anyone would like to compare them.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html

 Equipment: didn't change

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PESO: Holiday Films

2007-12-08 Thread Alastair Robertson
I agree with Jack on this - exposure is perfect including the sky
which is a sublime indigo.  I can;'t actually see the whole thing
without a lot of scrolling on my laptop which admittedly is only 768
tall but you would need a lot of screen to see it in most browsers.
Looks great nevertheless

Alastair



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 K10D, FA 50/1.4, f3.2 @ 1/125th, ISO 640.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6719554

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Re: PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread Jack Davis
I actually see at least as much detail in the shadows of my version.
The blacks are only slightly less dense, but the glare of the stark sky
has been softened.
I'm sure that balance could be tweaked from now on.

Jack
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The sky is being a PITA.  You brought down the sky but lost detail in
 
 the shadows.  That's why I went with green filter and lower contrast 
 approach earlier.  I guess it needs more work.
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
  P.J., I hope OK that I down loaded '40' and did a bit to pull down
 the
  blinding sky. Spoiled it for me.
  It will be deleted as soon as it's been posted.
 
  Jack :)
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=274
 
 
  --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  I decided to take some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped
 the
 
  contrast a bit, made the exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also
  applied 
  a yellow filter during conversion as opposed to the green filter I
  had 
  used heretofore, and straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop
 it
  as 
  I composed for the viewfinder.
 
 
  
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html

  and the original if anyone would like to compare them.
 
  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html
 
  Equipment: didn't change
 
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Re: open apology to listers

2007-12-08 Thread Mat Maessen
On 12/8/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What the nVidia driver does is to override the colour profile loaded
 by Spyder on startup, so I have to re-run the Spyder startup routine
 manually, about a minute after login. My machine runs Vista 64 bit,
 but the issue is the same on my friends computer with XP.

Turn off the nVidia utility at startup. Start-Run, type msconfig,
find it in the list and uncheck it.
Reboot to verify whether or not it fixed the problem.

-Mat, who bought a mac specifically to get away from these issues.

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PESO: Humble Meal Part Two

2007-12-08 Thread Walter Hamler
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/HumbleMeal2web.jpg

Here is my second attempt. I still kept the silver tray, primarily
because we don't have anything else more suitable. Oh well!  :-)

Walt

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Re: PESO: Coffee Shop Gamers

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Jack. I was wishing I had a bit longer lens so I wouldn't have  
to crop. It would have been a good spot for the 50/135.2.8. I need  
that glass! :-).
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 This I like, Paul.
 The energy of the girl would make a terrific picture in any setting.
 Very well caught!

 Jack
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Re: PESO: Holiday Films

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Jack.
On Dec 8, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Exposure triumph! Even the benefit of great DOF. (Patrons moving away
 from the camera allowed that, I suspect).
 Very well done.

 Jack
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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I love my Speed Graphic. Gotta break it out and shoot some sheet film  
one of these days. One of these days.:-)
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

 Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you  
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Re: PESO: Holiday Films

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Alastair. I am sometimes guilty of oversizing my vertical  
pics. My apologies.
Paul
On Dec 8, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Alastair Robertson wrote:

 I agree with Jack on this - exposure is perfect including the sky
 which is a sublime indigo.  I can;'t actually see the whole thing
 without a lot of scrolling on my laptop which admittedly is only 768
 tall but you would need a lot of screen to see it in most browsers.
 Looks great nevertheless

 Alastair



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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's a very appealing set of photos, Bob.

All with the E-1, right?

Godfrey

On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Bob W wrote:

 Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
 Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
 handheld:

 http://www.web-options.com/Wet/


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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It has nice balance, color, tonality and sharpness.
A good one. :-)

Godfrey

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 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.

 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.

 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg

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Re: PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Nice, but I think it needs to be part of a story.

:-)

Godfrey


On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Cotty wrote:

 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/reportage/images/pic4.html

 Panasonic L1 + SMC-A 20mm 2.8


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Re: PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/8/2007 4:31:28 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I decided to take  some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped the 
contrast a bit, made the  exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also applied 
a yellow filter during  conversion as opposed to the green filter I had 
used heretofore, and  straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop it as 
I composed for the  viewfinder.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html

and  the original if anyone would like to compare  them.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html

Equipment:  didn't change

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally  ignored.


I think you went the right direction, just a  little too much so.

Marnie aka Doe  And I am flattered.  :-)

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Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
Yep, that's what killed teh K100D for me. DS was the best of the
pre-K10D bodies IMHO. If it had had SR, it would have been perfect.

-Adam

On 12/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I seldom shoot more than a three frame burst either, but the Ds is ready
 for another three frame burst much sooner than the DL.

 Charles Robinson wrote:
  On Dec 8, 2007, at 13:16, William Robb wrote:
 
  The store gave you a loaner camera, right? Use your problem card
  in it for
  a while and see what happens. My bet though, from your description
  is the
  camera is flaky.
 
 
 
  That's the plan!  Already working that direction.  Thanks for the
  suggestion.
 
  Two things about the DL I prefer over the DS:
1. Larger rear screen
2. Quieter shutter/mirror slap (kind of a shunk vs. clack! sound)
 
  Two things I like LESS about the DL vs DS:
1. Fewer focus points
2. Teeny-tiny focus screen (that Pentamirror vs. Pentaprism sure
  makes a difference)
 
  One thing I don't give a darn about one way or the other:
1. Buffer size.  I never shoot more than a 3-frame burst anyways.
 
-Charles
 
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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
No VAT in Canada.

-Adam

On 12/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BH Photo probably gets a huge volume discount and you guys are paying a
 VAT included in the list price IIRC where as our sales taxes are added
 on later.

 David J Brooks wrote:
  On Dec 8, 2007 11:04 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  - Original Message -
  From: David J Brooks
  Subject: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8
 
 
 
  Just curious if anyone has picked one up yet and has any comments.
 
  I have been looking at this, and its well received at Pentaxforums dot
  com, however i notice a $300 price difference form Henrys and BH.
 
  Whats the point of having a dollar at par.??:-)
 
  I tested one just after they arrived in Regina, and was very tempted, but
  I'm holding out for the 60-250 at the moment. I think for me it will be the
  better lens.
 
  The dollar on par is a transitory thing, don't get too used to it. The
  Canadian economy is too dependant on having our dollar worth quite a bit
  less than the US one.
 
 
  True.
 
  Now i see  Camaera Canada is $500 more than BH.??
 
  Dave
 
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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
Average, but small cameras don't work for me unless thay've got a
grip. I like to have a handful of camera.

Best handling camera I own is my 645 Super.

-Adam

On 12/8/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Big hands Adam? Regards,  Bob S.

 On Dec 8, 2007 11:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
  relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync.
  ME - Alright
  ME Super - Horrid UI.
  KX, big, heavy.
  Super Program - see ME Super
  LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot.
 
  The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my
  K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and
  ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies
  (I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip
  added).
 
  -Adam
 
  On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You are absolutely right Cory.
   The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away.
   The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands.
   The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires.
   The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school.
   I feel like a pro with the little MX.
   And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so
   nimble and flexible.
   Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5
   fps winder.
   Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to.
   Regards,  Bob S.
  
   On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Godfrey,
you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate.  I tend to 
impart a
soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will
never own for lack of funds).
I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your 
walls as
a teenager.
I admire gadgets and equipment.  I'm sure I give them more importance 
than
they're really worth.
   
I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of 
the
current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time.  We'll have
dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and 
cannot
be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own 
and
can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is
interesting
   
God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or 
even
a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037.
   
Cory
   
I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough 
use.
   
   
- Original Message -
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good
 times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do
 with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not.

 But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools.
 It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-)

 Godfrey

   
   
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Re: PESO: Humble Meal Part Two

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
It sort of stops being quite so humble when served on a silver plate...

Walter Hamler wrote:
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/HumbleMeal2web.jpg

 Here is my second attempt. I still kept the silver tray, primarily
 because we don't have anything else more suitable. Oh well!  :-)

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Sandy Harris
On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
 relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync.
 ME - Alright

I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX,
aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different?

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Re: PESO -- 40 (Second Version)

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Hum, might be time to re-calibrate the monitor/display card.

Jack Davis wrote:
 I actually see at least as much detail in the shadows of my version.
 The blacks are only slightly less dense, but the glare of the stark sky
 has been softened.
 I'm sure that balance could be tweaked from now on.

 Jack
 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 The sky is being a PITA.  You brought down the sky but lost detail in

 the shadows.  That's why I went with green filter and lower contrast 
 approach earlier.  I guess it needs more work.

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 P.J., I hope OK that I down loaded '40' and did a bit to pull down
   
 the
 
 blinding sky. Spoiled it for me.
 It will be deleted as soon as it's been posted.

 Jack :)

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=274


 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
   
 I decided to take some of Marnies suggestions to heart, and upped
 
 the
 
 contrast a bit, made the exposure a bit lighter overall.  I also
 applied 
 a yellow filter during conversion as opposed to the green filter I
 had 
 used heretofore, and straitened it slightly.  I didn't really crop
 
 it
 
 as 
 I composed for the viewfinder.


 
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040yellowfilter.html
   
   
   
 and the original if anyone would like to compare them.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%2040.html

 Equipment: didn't change

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Interesting Pop Photography

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I just finished perusing the latest Popular Photography.  It seems that 
Sony is putting on a full court press.  Several full page adverts. and a 
special section dedicated to the A700, probably 1/4 of the available 
advertising space.  Keppler's column had some nice things to say about 
Pentax's dedication to backward compatibility, (and it's importance as 
promulgated by a honcho from  Canon of all places).  Pentax had at least 
two maybe three full pages most alarmingly one that prominently featured 
Godfry DiGeorgi.  There'll be no living with him now...

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
No, the viewfinders change.  MX is less visible to me wearing
eyeglasses.   Regards,  Bob S,

On Dec 8, 2007 10:55 PM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
  relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync.
  ME - Alright

 I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX,
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Re: Anyone using the DA* 50-135 F2.8

2007-12-08 Thread David Savage
VAT/GST.

It's the same thing.

Dave

On Dec 9, 2007 1:36 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No VAT in Canada.

 -Adam


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  BH Photo probably gets a huge volume discount and you guys are paying a
  VAT included in the list price IIRC where as our sales taxes are added
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Re: Full-frame Pentax? No, but this is coming:

2007-12-08 Thread Adam Maas
JPEG's mostly, but a couple RAW's (I've deleted them though). You sure
there's no NR on RAW? I know Sony at least does NR on RAW's, and Canon
does some on-chip NR that affects both formats.

The E-3 did not impress me at all. Poor handling and IQ appeared equal
to the last-generation 10MP bodies based on the shots I've seen.

-Adam

On 12/8/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are u looking at JPEGs? No NR on RAW.

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 On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:17:09 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Based on what I've seen, the E-3 is much closer to the D200 than the
 D300 at 3200, and certainly inferior to the 40D (Poor resolution of
 detail due to excessive NR).
 
 -Adam
 
 On 12/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Who has a 14 megapixel APS CMOS sensor?
  
   It's probably the Pentax-designed sensor we've been hearing about
   for a
   few years, with manufacturing done by some large semiconductor
   maker.
  
  
   Gee whiz.  Doesn't Samsung have the capability to do that sort of
   thing?
 
  Panasonic manufactures the NMOS 4/3 System sensor that the Olympus
  E-3 is using. From what I've seen, that chip has pretty darn nice ISO
  3200 noise characteristics ... better than the Canon 40D, and very
  close to on-par with the Nikon D300 (the latest new technology
  16x24 sensor DSLR). Given Olympus' spec for active chip area, that's
  10.1 Mpixel spread over 13x17.3 mm chip area, or ~44,900 pixels/
  square mm.
 
  A 16x24 mm sensor having 14 Mpixel with the same technology would
  have lower density and presumably even better noise characteristics,
  at ~36,450 pixels per square mm. The K10D's older technology sensor
  has about 26300 pixels per square mm by comparison.
 
  Godfrey
 
  (BTW: my friend's Nikon D300 arrived yesterday. I had the chance to
  fool with it at lunch today. It was fitted with the Nikon 17-55/2.8
  VR lens. A very nice camera to work with.)
 
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Re: Why I buy locally (happy guy)

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I still prefer the *ist D and would use it more often except my copy 
seems to drain batteries much faster than my Ds.  I find the the D takes 
6 raw shots in burst mode, (with noise reduction turned off),  in the 
time the Ds takes 5.  The Ds clears the buffer faster but as I said, I 
rarely use continuous shooting with either.  The battery issue and the 
fact that I can't turn the histogram on for immediate review keeps the D 
in reserve.

Adam Maas wrote:
 Yep, that's what killed teh K100D for me. DS was the best of the
 pre-K10D bodies IMHO. If it had had SR, it would have been perfect.

 -Adam

 On 12/8/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I seldom shoot more than a three frame burst either, but the Ds is ready
 for another three frame burst much sooner than the DL.

 Charles Robinson wrote:
 
 On Dec 8, 2007, at 13:16, William Robb wrote:

   
 The store gave you a loaner camera, right? Use your problem card
 in it for
 a while and see what happens. My bet though, from your description
 is the
 camera is flaky.


 
 That's the plan!  Already working that direction.  Thanks for the
 suggestion.

 Two things about the DL I prefer over the DS:
   1. Larger rear screen
   2. Quieter shutter/mirror slap (kind of a shunk vs. clack! sound)

 Two things I like LESS about the DL vs DS:
   1. Fewer focus points
   2. Teeny-tiny focus screen (that Pentamirror vs. Pentaprism sure
 makes a difference)

 One thing I don't give a darn about one way or the other:
   1. Buffer size.  I never shoot more than a 3-frame burst anyways.

   -Charles

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Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I have an ME and an MX and the viewfinders are more or less the same, 
(both for coverage and magnification), well close enough so that 
criticizing one is criticizing the other.  The ME is much smaller than 
the MX, but has many fewer controls so that might make a difference in 
handling..

Sandy Harris wrote:
 On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye
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