RE: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/02/18 Mon AM 12:34:50 GMT
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 Subject: RE: Published!
 
 Photography 101: day 1; lesson 1.
 
 Never store or carry a camera with the lens pointing at the sky.  The sun's
 focused image can be disastrous to a camera's internals.
 
 I hope the black band at the end of that skyward pointing lens is a lenscap,
 but I fear it's just a decorative band on the hood.
 
 Regards,
 Anthony Farr 

Given the type of lens (extreme telephoto) and the fully extended lenshood 
protecting the narrow field of view of the front element, I think it unlikely 
that there would be opportunity for the sun to cause much damage.

Given that it is not being carried in a vice-like grip or wrapped in cotton 
wool, it is probably a company lens - so why should she care?  The body is 
probably worth 1/10th of the value of the lens.


 
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  Subject: Re: Published!
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Boris Liberman
  Subject: Re: Published!
  
  
   Great. Congratulations. You may want to suggest to that Canon guy to
   have his camera replaced with the proper one ;-).
  
  I am reminded of this picture, which came to me titled
  The Perfect Woman
  http://www.pbase.com/rvnomad/image/90590836
  
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Re: OT - Bojidar Nikonovich?

2008-02-18 Thread Sandy Harris
On Feb 16, 2008 7:20 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry if this is brain fade time - I may have asked this question here before.

 Can anyone recommend a web site (maybe like Boz's Pentax site) that
 defines old and new Nikon/Nikkor offerings - particularly what will and
 will not work on modern Nikon DSLR cameras? I would like to hunt for a
 present for someone, a wide prime and need a starting point.

Some Nikon SLR and lots of Nikon rangefinder info here:
http://www.cameraquest.com/classics.htm

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Re: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/02/18 Mon AM 02:04:36 GMT
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 Subject: Re: Published!
 
 Noisy Oyster???

You have obviously never lived next door to an oyster bed.  Party animals 
r'them.

 
 Rebekah wrote:
  Photography 101: day 1; lesson 1.
  
 

  Never store or carry a camera with the lens pointing at the sky.  The sun's
  focused image can be disastrous to a camera's internals.
  
 
  hmm, I guess I missed day one of Photography 101, but thankfully I am
  paranoid and cover my lenses with screw caps anyways ;)  That's a
  great picture though, looks like the perfect woman to me too!
 
  Here's a quick snap of the ad, sorry it took me so long but I haven't
  been home lately :)  The background was added by someone else, only
  the plate is my picture.
 
  http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/Album29/photo?authkey=sVBRWqjgZBM#5168130258059098210
 
 

  You may want to suggest to that Canon guy to
  have his camera replaced with the proper one ;-).
  
 
 
  I was tempted to point out that at least he might want to purchase a
  battery grip, but it didn't seem the appropriate moment as both my
  superior PENTAX camera AND battery grip were fully charged.  grin
 
  Thanks for all the encouragement!
 
  rg2
 
 
  On 2/17/08, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Photography 101: day 1; lesson 1.
 
  Never store or carry a camera with the lens pointing at the sky.  The sun's
  focused image can be disastrous to a camera's internals.
 
  I hope the black band at the end of that skyward pointing lens is a 
  lenscap,
  but I fear it's just a decorative band on the hood.
 
  Regards,
  Anthony Farr
 
  
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  William Robb
  Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 5:10 AM
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
  Subject: Re: Published!
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Boris Liberman
  Subject: Re: Published!
 
 

  Great. Congratulations. You may want to suggest to that Canon guy to
  have his camera replaced with the proper one ;-).
  
  I am reminded of this picture, which came to me titled
  The Perfect Woman
  http://www.pbase.com/rvnomad/image/90590836
 
  William Robb
 
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Re: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/02/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

I am reminded of this picture, which came to me titled
The Perfect Woman
http://www.pbase.com/rvnomad/image/90590836

Pardon me but I beg to differ

http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Timber
Same here. Adobe Lightroom is the best for RAW pre-processing imho.

Cheers,
.timber

Tim Bray wrote:
 I've processed thousands of .PEFs with Lightroom, which is (I think)
 the same code-base as ACR, no problems.  Aha, but I leave them as
 .PEFs.  It'd be pretty amusing if ACR's DNG-writing were buggy.  -T

   


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RE: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread Anthony Farr
Forming good professional habits is all about doing stuff automatically.
It's quicker and simpler to follow a single overall rule, even if it's
sometimes unnecessary, than it is to rationalise individual situations.  If
you let yourself be sloppy when it doesn't really matter, then you are
likely to get sloppy when it does matter, like when you're toting personal
gear with a wide angle lens up front.  And nobody who's ever turned in
damaged gear believes the boss doesn't care.  BTDT.

More can happen than just getting you camera's innards sunburned.  A lens
pointing up can catch stuff falling down, like rain, dirt, gravel or bird
shit.  You can't always know what'll happen next, or when.  A lens pointing
down is almost always safer for its own sake as well as the camera's.
Pointing a lens upwards except to take a picture is just plain daft.

The lens isn't being held in a strong grip because it's attached to a
tripod/monopod that's resting on the woman's shoulder.  That's where
(hopefully) the strong grip is.
 
Regards,
Anthony Farr


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 Given the type of lens (extreme telephoto) and the fully extended lenshood
 protecting the narrow field of view of the front element, I think it
unlikely that there
 would be opportunity for the sun to cause much damage.
 
 Given that it is not being carried in a vice-like grip or wrapped in
cotton wool, it is
 probably a company lens - so why should she care?  The body is probably
worth
 1/10th of the value of the lens.
 
 


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Re: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread Beaker

On Feb 18, 2008, at 4:49 AM, Cotty wrote:

 On 17/02/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I am reminded of this picture, which came to me titled
 The Perfect Woman
 http://www.pbase.com/rvnomad/image/90590836

 Pardon me but I beg to differ

 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html

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Cute assistant!
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AW: Does anyone recognize this language?

2008-02-18 Thread Kristian-Heinrich Schussler


-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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I stumbled across one of my pics on the web. I don't recall anyone asking if
they could use it, although they may have. There are a lot of things I don't
remember these days:-). I don't mind in the least, but I do wonder what type
of pub this is and what the language might be. It's here:
http://www.prherald.hu/cikk2.php?idc=20071130-214354id2=elsoidl=

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AW: Does anyone recognize this language?

2008-02-18 Thread Kristian-Heinrich Schussler
YES;  .hu means Hungary, Ungarn in german language

Kristian-Heinrich Schuessler / Germany (Black Forest)


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I stumbled across one of my pics on the web. I don't recall anyone asking if
they could use it, although they may have. There are a lot of things I don't
remember these days:-). I don't mind in the least, but I do wonder what type
of pub this is and what the language might be. It's here:
http://www.prherald.hu/cikk2.php?idc=20071130-214354id2=elsoidl=

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Re: Canadian K20 Release date

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Maas
The announcements, not the lower-end release.

-Adam

On 2/18/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you talking about the camera arriving in september or the one
 which should be announced at about the same time? Or should I say the
 cameraS which should be announced..

 On Feb 18, 2008 3:27 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Remember how I said that Pentax made a major marketing blunder by
  hinting at a higher spec camera to come soon. Well here's proof. If
  it's a 64 5, they better say so now, because they're blowing the K20
  introduction.
  Are you listening, Pentax?
  Paul
 
 
  On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 
   Boy, that was really cruel.  I had the same thought.
  
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   Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/08 7:38 PM 
   But Bill...
  
   Pentax will ONLY do that =if= you buy a K20D.  So you
   see, you have to do it as a public service.  Their
   whole development program depends on you.
  
   Rick
  
  
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   Because I can see another grand and a half going
   into camera equipment, and I just know that
   they will come up with a full frame, full K-Mount
   compatable pro specified body in September
   2009.
  
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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Jack Davis
I gather the user has no control over the MP count once a DX lens (1.5
crop) is mounted.
If, as I understand it, a 5.1MP mask is applied to the 12.1MP sensor, 
thereby leaving a remainder of 7.0MP.(?)
As usual, I'm likely over simplifying a vague understanding.

Jack
--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The D3 is 12MP, although in 5:4 crop mode it drops to 10MP and gains
 fps (you don`t need to drop all the way to the 5MP DX crop to get all
 11fps).
 
 -Adam
 
 On 2/17/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can't say why, but the Pop Photo test seemed rushed and
 incomplete.
  As an aside, I looked over the D3 test and read that its sensor is
 a
  12.1. My earlier understanding was that it would be a 10 something.
  Also, I was told that it would employ a special accommodation to
 use
  both FF and APS-C lenses. I saw nothing about that.(?)
 
  Jack
  --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   The short one page article comparing digital and analog high ISO
   performance used the K20 for the digital capture.  That was an ad
 hoc
  
   review that was at odds with the formal test.
  
   Jack Davis wrote:
Yeah, I read this article today. As I recall, the dynamic range
 was
   to
have been increased by 200%, but the review didn't gush over
 its
shadow/high light performance. Noise was not a rave item nor
 was
   the 3
fps frame rate. AF speed was rated fast which may have been
   partially
due to the tested 16~50 f/2.8 attached.
Resolution was a very satisfying rave item which may just do it
 for
   me.
I'll be looking for more reactions.
   
Jack
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet.  Nice review of
 the
  
camera and the new DA* 16-50.  Very complementary, though at
 odds
with a
smaller article that used the K20 as an example of how good
 High
   ISO
digital has become, (and that it finally has surpassed Film in
   it's
last
technological bastion).  The cover headline  by the way is
 The
Supercameras arrive  All in all it was a pleasant afternoon
 in
   BN
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   library
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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Thibouille
I think the user can override that behaviour and shoot with the full 12MP.
Of course the result... well for special purpose, maybe :)

On Feb 18, 2008 3:14 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I gather the user has no control over the MP count once a DX lens (1.5
 crop) is mounted.
 If, as I understand it, a 5.1MP mask is applied to the 12.1MP sensor,
 thereby leaving a remainder of 7.0MP.(?)
 As usual, I'm likely over simplifying a vague understanding.

 Jack

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The D3 is 12MP, although in 5:4 crop mode it drops to 10MP and gains
  fps (you don`t need to drop all the way to the 5MP DX crop to get all
  11fps).
 
  -Adam
 
  On 2/17/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can't say why, but the Pop Photo test seemed rushed and
  incomplete.
   As an aside, I looked over the D3 test and read that its sensor is
  a
   12.1. My earlier understanding was that it would be a 10 something.
   Also, I was told that it would employ a special accommodation to
  use
   both FF and APS-C lenses. I saw nothing about that.(?)
  
   Jack
   --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
The short one page article comparing digital and analog high ISO
performance used the K20 for the digital capture.  That was an ad
  hoc
   
review that was at odds with the formal test.
   
Jack Davis wrote:
 Yeah, I read this article today. As I recall, the dynamic range
  was
to
 have been increased by 200%, but the review didn't gush over
  its
 shadow/high light performance. Noise was not a rave item nor
  was
the 3
 fps frame rate. AF speed was rated fast which may have been
partially
 due to the tested 16~50 f/2.8 attached.
 Resolution was a very satisfying rave item which may just do it
  for
me.
 I'll be looking for more reactions.

 Jack
 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet.  Nice review of
  the
   
 camera and the new DA* 16-50.  Very complementary, though at
  odds
 with a
 smaller article that used the K20 as an example of how good
  High
ISO
 digital has become, (and that it finally has surpassed Film in
it's
 last
 technological bastion).  The cover headline  by the way is
  The
 Supercameras arrive  All in all it was a pleasant afternoon
  in
BN
 drinking overpriced coffee and catching up on magazines the
library
 doesn't stock.

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Re: Canadian K20 Release date

2008-02-18 Thread Thibouille
On Feb 18, 2008 2:59 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The announcements, not the lower-end release.

 -Adam

Ha.. OK ;)

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Thibouille
What happened to me once with my ist-D was this:
I shoot anice lemon tree when I was in Greece in holliday and was very
satisfied with my picture (which was from the first I tookwith it...
really it was... a picture lol..)

When I got home and looked at the PEF, there was a horizontal line in
the middle of the picture, width of a couple tens pixels.
Obviously the embedded JPEG was perfect but the RAW was corrupted.

Happened to me only once.

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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Maas
There`s one really good reason to do this, Nikon`s excellent 10.5mm DX
Fisheye becomes a circular fisheye on FF.

-Adam

On 2/18/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the user can override that behaviour and shoot with the full 12MP.
 Of course the result... well for special purpose, maybe :)

 On Feb 18, 2008 3:14 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I gather the user has no control over the MP count once a DX lens (1.5
  crop) is mounted.
  If, as I understand it, a 5.1MP mask is applied to the 12.1MP sensor,
  thereby leaving a remainder of 7.0MP.(?)
  As usual, I'm likely over simplifying a vague understanding.
 
  Jack
 
  --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   The D3 is 12MP, although in 5:4 crop mode it drops to 10MP and gains
   fps (you don`t need to drop all the way to the 5MP DX crop to get all
   11fps).
  
   -Adam
  
   On 2/17/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't say why, but the Pop Photo test seemed rushed and
   incomplete.
As an aside, I looked over the D3 test and read that its sensor is
   a
12.1. My earlier understanding was that it would be a 10 something.
Also, I was told that it would employ a special accommodation to
   use
both FF and APS-C lenses. I saw nothing about that.(?)
   
Jack
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The short one page article comparing digital and analog high ISO
 performance used the K20 for the digital capture.  That was an ad
   hoc

 review that was at odds with the formal test.

 Jack Davis wrote:
  Yeah, I read this article today. As I recall, the dynamic range
   was
 to
  have been increased by 200%, but the review didn't gush over
   its
  shadow/high light performance. Noise was not a rave item nor
   was
 the 3
  fps frame rate. AF speed was rated fast which may have been
 partially
  due to the tested 16~50 f/2.8 attached.
  Resolution was a very satisfying rave item which may just do it
   for
 me.
  I'll be looking for more reactions.
 
  Jack
  --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet.  Nice review of
   the

  camera and the new DA* 16-50.  Very complementary, though at
   odds
  with a
  smaller article that used the K20 as an example of how good
   High
 ISO
  digital has become, (and that it finally has surpassed Film in
 it's
  last
  technological bastion).  The cover headline  by the way is
   The
  Supercameras arrive  All in all it was a pleasant afternoon
   in
 BN
  drinking overpriced coffee and catching up on magazines the
 library
  doesn't stock.
 
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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Jack Davis
Sure. The user may always pick the crop.

Jack
--- Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think the user can override that behaviour and shoot with the full
 12MP.
 Of course the result... well for special purpose, maybe :)
 
 On Feb 18, 2008 3:14 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I gather the user has no control over the MP count once a DX lens
 (1.5
  crop) is mounted.
  If, as I understand it, a 5.1MP mask is applied to the 12.1MP
 sensor,
  thereby leaving a remainder of 7.0MP.(?)
  As usual, I'm likely over simplifying a vague understanding.
 
  Jack
 
  --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   The D3 is 12MP, although in 5:4 crop mode it drops to 10MP and
 gains
   fps (you don`t need to drop all the way to the 5MP DX crop to get
 all
   11fps).
  
   -Adam
  
   On 2/17/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't say why, but the Pop Photo test seemed rushed and
   incomplete.
As an aside, I looked over the D3 test and read that its sensor
 is
   a
12.1. My earlier understanding was that it would be a 10
 something.
Also, I was told that it would employ a special accommodation
 to
   use
both FF and APS-C lenses. I saw nothing about that.(?)
   
Jack
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The short one page article comparing digital and analog high
 ISO
 performance used the K20 for the digital capture.  That was
 an ad
   hoc

 review that was at odds with the formal test.

 Jack Davis wrote:
  Yeah, I read this article today. As I recall, the dynamic
 range
   was
 to
  have been increased by 200%, but the review didn't gush
 over
   its
  shadow/high light performance. Noise was not a rave item
 nor
   was
 the 3
  fps frame rate. AF speed was rated fast which may have
 been
 partially
  due to the tested 16~50 f/2.8 attached.
  Resolution was a very satisfying rave item which may just
 do it
   for
 me.
  I'll be looking for more reactions.
 
  Jack
  --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet.  Nice
 review of
   the

  camera and the new DA* 16-50.  Very complementary, though
 at
   odds
  with a
  smaller article that used the K20 as an example of how
 good
   High
 ISO
  digital has become, (and that it finally has surpassed
 Film in
 it's
  last
  technological bastion).  The cover headline  by the way is
   The
  Supercameras arrive  All in all it was a pleasant
 afternoon
   in
 BN
  drinking overpriced coffee and catching up on magazines
 the
 library
  doesn't stock.
 
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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Maas
It`s configurable via custom function. You can turn it off, make it
user selectable (even for non-DX lenses) or make it automatic (the
default).

-Adam

On 2/18/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I gather the user has no control over the MP count once a DX lens (1.5
 crop) is mounted.
 If, as I understand it, a 5.1MP mask is applied to the 12.1MP sensor,
 thereby leaving a remainder of 7.0MP.(?)
 As usual, I'm likely over simplifying a vague understanding.

 Jack
 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The D3 is 12MP, although in 5:4 crop mode it drops to 10MP and gains
  fps (you don`t need to drop all the way to the 5MP DX crop to get all
  11fps).
 
  -Adam
 
  On 2/17/08, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can't say why, but the Pop Photo test seemed rushed and
  incomplete.
   As an aside, I looked over the D3 test and read that its sensor is
  a
   12.1. My earlier understanding was that it would be a 10 something.
   Also, I was told that it would employ a special accommodation to
  use
   both FF and APS-C lenses. I saw nothing about that.(?)
  
   Jack
   --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
The short one page article comparing digital and analog high ISO
performance used the K20 for the digital capture.  That was an ad
  hoc
   
review that was at odds with the formal test.
   
Jack Davis wrote:
 Yeah, I read this article today. As I recall, the dynamic range
  was
to
 have been increased by 200%, but the review didn't gush over
  its
 shadow/high light performance. Noise was not a rave item nor
  was
the 3
 fps frame rate. AF speed was rated fast which may have been
partially
 due to the tested 16~50 f/2.8 attached.
 Resolution was a very satisfying rave item which may just do it
  for
me.
 I'll be looking for more reactions.

 Jack
 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't know if anyone else has seen this yet.  Nice review of
  the
   
 camera and the new DA* 16-50.  Very complementary, though at
  odds
 with a
 smaller article that used the K20 as an example of how good
  High
ISO
 digital has become, (and that it finally has surpassed Film in
it's
 last
 technological bastion).  The cover headline  by the way is
  The
 Supercameras arrive  All in all it was a pleasant afternoon
  in
BN
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library
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Re: PESO - Amgen Tour of California

2008-02-18 Thread Ken Waller
Nice capture, I'd say you nailed it !
I really like the way his body stands out from the dark background.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message - 
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO - Amgen Tour of California


 
 The Amgen Tour of California started today.
 Here's my last shot of the day (isn't that always the way):
 
http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0808


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In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread Jack Davis
There is, also, a Michael McNamara article in the March issue titled,
Digital Wins.
To make his point that digital noise is a less grainy image than is
that made with film of the same ISO rating, he displays two thumbnail
images. He chose 1600 ISO to demonstrate.
The film image is a scan of Fujicolor Superia and the digital image is
that made with a K20D.
His point is certainly confirmed when the comparison is made. (have a
magnifying glass at hand) ;)

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Re: Peso Drive by drive in

2008-02-18 Thread Ken Waller
Dave FWIW,
I opened this up in CS2  gained a noticeable improvement by setting the 
white point. It removed the
grayish/blue cast. White became white.

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- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Peso Drive by drive in


 David J Brooks wrote:
 Shot this on Hwy 25, i think, going North from Port Huron.

 Our speed limit is 35mph max so this one was a bit easier to pan, and
 its actually quite sharp.:-)


 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6964666

 Closed up drive in. Love drive in's even if they are closed.

 Hi, Dave.  This one looks a bit gray to me.  I think it needs more
 contrast.  Other than that I really like it.

 It's probably closed for the season.  It looks well maintained and the
 flag is in good shape, as far as I can tell.  It seems that the handful
 of remaining drive-ins aren't doing too bad.

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Re: PESO - Amgen Tour of California

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The Amgen Tour of California started today.
 Here's my last shot of the day (isn't that always the way):

http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0808

Very nice!

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Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...


 William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: In the same Pop Photo Issue...


 As soon as the film is scanned, the comparison becomes irrelevant. Scanning 
 introduces a lot 
 of
 issues such as grain aliasing and other artifacts. When someone makes an 
 optical print and
 compares it to a digital print, then they are making a valid comparison.
 Having said that, I would be very surprised if a 35mm film print of any 
 speed of film would 
 look
 as good as a print from a 14mp SLR shot at the same ISO.


 Define good.


In this context, grain and overall look of the image.

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Re: Pentax K20D gets cover of Pop Photo

2008-02-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
The review disses the K20D for noise at ISO 3200 and 6400, and for color 
balance. I would guess that they shot jpegs, and the firmware version 
was, I believe, 0.20. Otherwise it is a nice review.

I understand that the K20D has a feature allowing you to select how much 
noise reduction you want. Perhaps the default setting is off, and that 
is how the camera was tested.

 From what I have seen, the camera will have quite nice noise 
performance at ISO 1600. That's a major part of my interest in it.

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Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: In the same Pop Photo Issue...
 
 
 There is, also, a Michael McNamara article in the March issue titled,
 Digital Wins.
 To make his point that digital noise is a less grainy image than is
 that made with film of the same ISO rating, he displays two thumbnail
 images. He chose 1600 ISO to demonstrate.
 The film image is a scan of Fujicolor Superia and the digital image is
 that made with a K20D.
 His point is certainly confirmed when the comparison is made. (have a
 magnifying glass at hand) ;)
 
 As soon as the film is scanned, the comparison becomes irrelevant. Scanning 
 introduces a lot of 
 issues such as grain aliasing and other artifacts. When someone makes an 
 optical orint and 
 compares it to a digital print, then they are making a valid comparison.
 Having said that, I owuld be very surprised if a 35mm film print of any speed 
 of film would look 
 as good as a print from a 14mp SLR shot at the same ISO.
 
 William Robb
 
 
Define good.

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Re: Peso Drive by drive in

2008-02-18 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 Shot this on Hwy 25, i think, going North from Port Huron.
 
 Our speed limit is 35mph max so this one was a bit easier to pan, and
 its actually quite sharp.:-)
 
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6964666
 
 Closed up drive in. Love drive in's even if they are closed.
 
Hi, Dave.  This one looks a bit gray to me.  I think it needs more 
contrast.  Other than that I really like it.

It's probably closed for the season.  It looks well maintained and the 
flag is in good shape, as far as I can tell.  It seems that the handful 
of remaining drive-ins aren't doing too bad.

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Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis
Subject: In the same Pop Photo Issue...


 There is, also, a Michael McNamara article in the March issue titled,
 Digital Wins.
 To make his point that digital noise is a less grainy image than is
 that made with film of the same ISO rating, he displays two thumbnail
 images. He chose 1600 ISO to demonstrate.
 The film image is a scan of Fujicolor Superia and the digital image is
 that made with a K20D.
 His point is certainly confirmed when the comparison is made. (have a
 magnifying glass at hand) ;)

As soon as the film is scanned, the comparison becomes irrelevant. Scanning 
introduces a lot of 
issues such as grain aliasing and other artifacts. When someone makes an 
optical orint and 
compares it to a digital print, then they are making a valid comparison.
Having said that, I owuld be very surprised if a 35mm film print of any speed 
of film would look 
as good as a print from a 14mp SLR shot at the same ISO.

William Robb


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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Mark Erickson
John, 

Interestingly enough, the problem is repeatable.  Every time I try to use 
ACR 3.7 to convert the PEF, I get the same funky artifact.  So it's 
something about the file and ACR 3.7. 

Can anyone else out there try converting the PEF with ACR 3.7 and see if 
they get the same artifact? 

Thanks!! 

John Coyle wrote:
Mark, it's obviously a glitch during the conversion process, either in 
writing to your disk or in memory.  I'd try 
converting it again - since the original file opens without problems. 

HTH 

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia 

 Photoshop geeks, 

 I've been using Adobe Camera Raw to convert my *istDs PEFs into DNGs for
 archival purposes.  If you care to do the download, take a look at 
 the PEF and DNG at the links below. 

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/_IGP0036.PEF
 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/_IGP0036.dng 

 The DNG has a weird, obvious artifact right in the middle of the image.
 Looks like ACR 3.7 corrupted my PEF when it did the conversion?  Yeeccch.
 Anyone else have a similar experience? 

 --Mark

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Peso Drive by drive in

2008-02-18 Thread David J Brooks
Shot this on Hwy 25, i think, going North from Port Huron.

Our speed limit is 35mph max so this one was a bit easier to pan, and
its actually quite sharp.:-)


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6964666

Closed up drive in. Love drive in's even if they are closed.

K1OD, 16-45 LR wb adjust and BW conversion.

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Re: PESO - Amgen Tour of California

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
What Ken said. Excllent shot.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Nice capture, I'd say you nailed it !
 I really like the way his body stands out from the dark background.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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 From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: PESO - Amgen Tour of California
 
 
  
  The Amgen Tour of California started today.
  Here's my last shot of the day (isn't that always the way):
  
 http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0808
 
 
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Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread Jack Davis
All comments fully anticipated and accepted, Bill. 
Any DSLR could have been used for the comparison, but had the K20D
displayed less than a 'good' noise example, IDS, it wouldn't have been
chosen.
It's offered for those who will relish their food a bit more if their
choice of photo systems seems further verified.

Jack
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: In the same Pop Photo Issue...
 
 
  There is, also, a Michael McNamara article in the March issue
 titled,
  Digital Wins.
  To make his point that digital noise is a less grainy image than is
  that made with film of the same ISO rating, he displays two
 thumbnail
  images. He chose 1600 ISO to demonstrate.
  The film image is a scan of Fujicolor Superia and the digital image
 is
  that made with a K20D.
  His point is certainly confirmed when the comparison is made. (have
 a
  magnifying glass at hand) ;)
 
 As soon as the film is scanned, the comparison becomes irrelevant.
 Scanning introduces a lot of 
 issues such as grain aliasing and other artifacts. When someone makes
 an optical orint and 
 compares it to a digital print, then they are making a valid
 comparison.
 Having said that, I owuld be very surprised if a 35mm film print of
 any speed of film would look 
 as good as a print from a 14mp SLR shot at the same ISO.
 
 William Robb
 
 
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Re: PESO - Amgen Tour of California

2008-02-18 Thread Jack Davis
I didn't get the original post, but glad I finally caught this. 
Pan and settings IDEAL!

Jack
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 Nice capture, I'd say you nailed it !
 I really like the way his body stands out from the dark background.
 
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 Subject: PESO - Amgen Tour of California
 
 
  
  The Amgen Tour of California started today.
  Here's my last shot of the day (isn't that always the way):
  
 http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0808
 
 
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:15 AM, William Robb wrote:

 Interestingly enough, the problem is repeatable.  Every time I try  
 to use
 ACR 3.7 to convert the PEF, I get the same funky artifact.  So it's
 something about the file and ACR 3.7.

 Can anyone else out there try converting the PEF with ACR 3.7 and  
 see if
 they get the same artifact?

 ACR3.7 is pretty yesterday. I did open it with ACR 4.3.1 with no  
 problems.

I downloaded and opened both .DNG and .PEF files with Photoshop CS2/ 
Camera Raw v3.7. The artifact was clearly visible on the  
downloaded .DNG, also the color balance differed from the rendering  
with Camera Raw at its defaults.

I used Camera Raw v3.7 to save the .PEF file as a .DNG on my system.  
The artifact no longer appears and the color balance is identical to  
the PEF.

I also imported all three into a Lightroom 1.3.1 library (functional  
equivalent of Camera Raw v4.3.1), exported another .DNG from the PEF  
and reimported it. Same as above .. only the downloaded .DNG file  
shows an artifact and different color balance.

Godfrey

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Photoshop Elements 5.0 problems

2008-02-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
I've got some 4,100 files and 46 GB in my catalogue with PS Elements 5.0.
After I put the last batch of pictures in, something has gone wrong.

I put 3x-2GB SD cards from a recent trip into the catalogue - all DNG
files from the K10D.
Now when I modify the DNG's and create jpegs, it doesn't save the
pictures in stacks.
Although the Save As shows the 'save in a version set with the
original' checked, it doesn't.
In fact, I have to go get the files manually and import them individually!

Have I overloaded the capacity of this software or what?
Any PS Elements 5.0 users seen this type of behavior and know how to correct it?

Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Erickson 
Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


 John, 
 
 Interestingly enough, the problem is repeatable.  Every time I try to use 
 ACR 3.7 to convert the PEF, I get the same funky artifact.  So it's 
 something about the file and ACR 3.7. 
 
 Can anyone else out there try converting the PEF with ACR 3.7 and see if 
 they get the same artifact? 

ACR3.7 is pretty yesterday. I did open it with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.

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Re: Peso Drive by drive in

2008-02-18 Thread David J Brooks
Hummm.

It was veru blue and i set WP in LR.

I;ll have another look at it. Could be the laptop screen. Its not calibrated.

Dave

On Feb 18, 2008 11:11 AM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave FWIW,
 I opened this up in CS2  gained a noticeable improvement by setting the
 white point. It removed the
 grayish/blue cast. White became white.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Peso Drive by drive in


  David J Brooks wrote:
  Shot this on Hwy 25, i think, going North from Port Huron.
 
  Our speed limit is 35mph max so this one was a bit easier to pan, and
  its actually quite sharp.:-)
 
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6964666
 
  Closed up drive in. Love drive in's even if they are closed.
 
  Hi, Dave.  This one looks a bit gray to me.  I think it needs more
  contrast.  Other than that I really like it.
 
  It's probably closed for the season.  It looks well maintained and the
  flag is in good shape, as far as I can tell.  It seems that the handful
  of remaining drive-ins aren't doing too bad.
 
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Re: Peso Hurley Inn

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Sorenson
Back in the lumbering days of the late 1800's the three really rough 
towns were the three H's - Hayward, Hurley and Hell.  Hayward and Hurley 
being in Wisconsin and Hell in the UP.  I remember driving through 
Hurley with my parents in the 1950's and almost all the businesses on 
Silver Street were still saloons and houses of ill repute.  The town has 
cleaned up some in the last 50 years...  ;]

-p




 David J Brooks wrote:
 Had to stop at Hurley Wis at Hwy's 2 and 51 as we are not allowed to
 run these towers into Wis during the day.

 Heavy snow all day on the Thursday drive from Rapid River Mich to Hurley.

 Rented rooms and had a few hours sleep for the midnight take off, Friday.

 Hear is a shot just out from the side door. It was snowing, blowing
 and cold. IMSMC it said -35 F.

 LR BW conversion and a pole cloned out

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=Hurley-3761.jpg

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Mark, I don't think the main problem is in the conversion.  Neither RSE 
or Pentax Photo Browser can open the main raw image, though the Pentax 
program will show the Jpeg thumbnail.  I think there was a glitch either 
in the camera when the original raw file was created or when the file 
was copied.  ACR just seems to be of middle sensitivity, not failing 
when trying to load the file but getting screwed up by the bad data.  
Raw Therepee can open the DNG you posted but no other program I have 
that will convert raw files can actually read the raw data, om either 
the PEF or DNG even though most appear to open the embedded JPEG.

Mark Erickson wrote:
 John, 

 Interestingly enough, the problem is repeatable.  Every time I try to use 
 ACR 3.7 to convert the PEF, I get the same funky artifact.  So it's 
 something about the file and ACR 3.7. 

 Can anyone else out there try converting the PEF with ACR 3.7 and see if 
 they get the same artifact? 

 Thanks!! 

 John Coyle wrote:
   
 Mark, it's obviously a glitch during the conversion process, either in 
 writing to your disk or in memory.  I'd try 
 converting it again - since the original file opens without problems. 

 HTH 

 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia 

 
 Photoshop geeks, 

 I've been using Adobe Camera Raw to convert my *istDs PEFs into DNGs for
 archival purposes.  If you care to do the download, take a look at 
 the PEF and DNG at the links below. 

 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/_IGP0036.PEF
 http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/_IGP0036.dng 

 The DNG has a weird, obvious artifact right in the middle of the image.
 Looks like ACR 3.7 corrupted my PEF when it did the conversion?  Yeeccch.
 Anyone else have a similar experience? 

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
I doubt that you have a bad K10D. One corrupted file doesn't mean much. It 
happens. 

Of course, if you go to dpreview, they'll be happy to tell you that, indeed, 
you do have a bad K10D. And within hours, numerous others will discover that 
they too have the same problem. Lamentations and cursing will follow.:-)
 -- Original message --
From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 H, 
 
 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try 
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG? 
 
 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no 
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate 
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7. 
 
 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax 
 Photo Browser. 
 
 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).  
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D? 
 
 Any more thoughts? 
 
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Mark Erickson
H, 

So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try 
to convert it to DNG then open the DNG? 

Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no 
problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate 
that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7. 

P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax 
Photo Browser. 

H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).  
Question is, do I have a bad K10D? 

Any more thoughts? 

 --Mark

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Re: Peso Hurley Inn

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
Hell, Michigan is in the lower peninsula, about halfway between Detroit and 
Lansing.  At least that's where it is today. Don't know if there was another 
Hell in the 19th century./
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Back in the lumbering days of the late 1800's the three really rough 
 towns were the three H's - Hayward, Hurley and Hell.  Hayward and Hurley 
 being in Wisconsin and Hell in the UP.  I remember driving through 
 Hurley with my parents in the 1950's and almost all the businesses on 
 Silver Street were still saloons and houses of ill repute.  The town has 
 cleaned up some in the last 50 years...  ;]
 
 -p
 
 
 
 
  David J Brooks wrote:
  Had to stop at Hurley Wis at Hwy's 2 and 51 as we are not allowed to
  run these towers into Wis during the day.
 
  Heavy snow all day on the Thursday drive from Rapid River Mich to Hurley.
 
  Rented rooms and had a few hours sleep for the midnight take off, Friday.
 
  Hear is a shot just out from the side door. It was snowing, blowing
  and cold. IMSMC it said -35 F.
 
  LR BW conversion and a pole cloned out
 
  
 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent
 =Hurley-3761.jpg
 
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PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I was browsing through some of my recent photos and found a small set  
of about ten photos I made with the Treo 650 cell phone during the  
New Years Eve party I went to. I mashed them about with Lightroom a  
bit and thought a couple of them looked rather nice, in a decorative  
way.

The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure  
controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other  
toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg

Comments always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: PESO: The Woman

2008-02-18 Thread Rick Womer
And they she snatched your camera and jammed your
16-45 up your left nostril; but at least the memory
card wasn't damaged...


--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   A woman confronted me as she and her two
 companions were leaving  
 the coffee shop. Why didn't you take pictures of
 us, she asked.  
 Don't we look good enough? She was smiling, but I
 think she was  
 mildly annoyed at my picture taking in general. I
 clicked off a few  
 frames as she spoke. Here's one.
 The coffee shop portraits. The woman:
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't forget the self flagellation with their camera straps, with or 
without the camera still attached to the loose end...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I doubt that you have a bad K10D. One corrupted file doesn't mean much. It 
 happens. 

 Of course, if you go to dpreview, they'll be happy to tell you that, indeed, 
 you do have a bad K10D. And within hours, numerous others will discover that 
 they too have the same problem. Lamentations and cursing will follow.:-)
  -- Original message --
 From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 H, 

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try 
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG? 

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no 
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate 
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7. 

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax 
 Photo Browser. 

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).  
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D? 

 Any more thoughts? 

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Why would you infer a camera problem given the behavior of format  
conversion error by Camera Raw? Do you have other files that behave  
the same way?

Camera Raw v3.7 and Lightroom 1.0-1.2 failed for quite a while to  
read PEF files I created with the K10D. It seemed to happen with  
photos made when I was pointing the camera straight down more of the  
time. I thought it was a camera problem. However, PPL would read them  
and output an uncompressed DNG file, which was then readable by  
Camera Raw/DNG Converter up to v4.2 or Lightroom up to up to 1.2.

I hadn't noticed that in all cases the PEF files were  16M in size.  
When Lightroom v1.3 appeared (Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3), the  
problem disappeared. I conclude it was a software error in the Adobe  
code that limited the ability to process PEF files larger than a 16M  
size. Nothing to do with the camera.

Don't jump to conclusions. :-)

Godfrey

On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Mark Erickson wrote:

 H,

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.   
 Did you try
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG?

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to  
 indicate
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7.

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or  
 the Pentax
 Photo Browser.

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include  
 me).
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D?

 Any more thoughts?


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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Erickson
Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


 H,

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG?

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7.

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax
 Photo Browser.

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D?

 Any more thoughts?

If it's a one off problem with one file, it isn't likely to be the camera.
This is interesting though, when I did as you suggested, which was convert the 
file to a DNG and 
then open the DNG, the corruption showed up in ACR for a moment, and then 
dissappeared.

I put two screenshots up on my website if you care to look:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen1.jpg
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen2.jpg

Smarter minds than I will have to sort this out.

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Re: PESO: The Woman

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
How did you know? Actually, it was the DA50-200 that she jammed up my nostril:-)
Paul
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 And they she snatched your camera and jammed your
 16-45 up your left nostril; but at least the memory
 card wasn't damaged...
 
 
 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
A woman confronted me as she and her two
  companions were leaving  
  the coffee shop. Why didn't you take pictures of
  us, she asked.  
  Don't we look good enough? She was smiling, but I
  think she was  
  mildly annoyed at my picture taking in general. I
  clicked off a few  
  frames as she spoke. Here's one.
  The coffee shop portraits. The woman:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6959353
  
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Re: OT:Does anyone recognize this language?

2008-02-18 Thread Attila Bardi

It's hungarian and anybody can read it:)
At least I could:)

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, AlunFoto wrote:

 The domain name is .hu. Hungarian?
 Timber will know, I guess.

 2008/2/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I stumbled across one of my pics on the web. I don't recall anyone asking if 
 they could use it, although they may have. There are a lot of things I don't 
 remember these days:-). I don't mind in the least, but I do wonder what type 
 of pub this is and what the language might be. It's here:
 http://www.prherald.hu/cikk2.php?idc=20071130-214354id2=elsoidl=

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Re: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Tim Bray
Very refreshing!  -T

On Feb 18, 2008 10:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was browsing through some of my recent photos and found a small set
 of about ten photos I made with the Treo 650 cell phone during the
 New Years Eve party I went to. I mashed them about with Lightroom a
 bit and thought a couple of them looked rather nice, in a decorative
 way.

 The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure
 controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other
 toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg

 Comments always appreciated.

 enjoy
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Re: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Ken Waller
Good eye.
Just goes to show it isn't the equipment, but the one pushing the button!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG


I was browsing through some of my recent photos and found a small set
 of about ten photos I made with the Treo 650 cell phone during the
 New Years Eve party I went to. I mashed them about with Lightroom a
 bit and thought a couple of them looked rather nice, in a decorative
 way.

 The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure
 controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other
 toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg

 Comments always appreciated.

 enjoy
 Godfrey

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PESO 2008 - 07 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Back to this year's monochrome obsession, from yesterday's street  
shooting session in SF ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/07-reading.jpg
Reading - This Cafe Life 2008
Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
ISO 200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec, fl=18mm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Mark Erickson
Godfrey, 

No jumping, just a question.  P.J. actually suggested that there might have 
been a glitch in the camera. 

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe stopped 
releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer. 

 --Mark 

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: 

Why would you infer a camera problem given the behavior of format  
conversion error by Camera Raw? Do you have other files that behave  
the same way? 

Camera Raw v3.7 and Lightroom 1.0-1.2 failed for quite a while to  
read PEF files I created with the K10D. It seemed to happen with  
photos made when I was pointing the camera straight down more of the  
time. I thought it was a camera problem. However, PPL would read them  
and output an uncompressed DNG file, which was then readable by  
Camera Raw/DNG Converter up to v4.2 or Lightroom up to up to 1.2. 

I hadn't noticed that in all cases the PEF files were  16M in size.  
When Lightroom v1.3 appeared (Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3), the  
problem disappeared. I conclude it was a software error in the Adobe  
code that limited the ability to process PEF files larger than a 16M  
size. Nothing to do with the camera. 

Don't jump to conclusions. :-) 

Godfrey 

On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Mark Erickson wrote: 

 H, 

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.   
 Did you try
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG? 

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to  
 indicate
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7. 

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or  
 the Pentax
 Photo Browser. 

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include  
 me).
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D? 

 Any more thoughts? 


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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Well don't read too much into it.  There are a lot of places along the 
path from file creation in the camera to saving to the card to 
transferring from the card to the working drive where a transitory 
problem could occur to to cause a file problem.  These systems are 
complex enough with enough interactions that the exact problem may never 
manifest itself again.  

Mark Erickson wrote:
 Godfrey, 

 No jumping, just a question.  P.J. actually suggested that there might have 
 been a glitch in the camera. 

 I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe stopped 
 releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer. 

  --Mark 

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: 

   
 Why would you infer a camera problem given the behavior of format  
 conversion error by Camera Raw? Do you have other files that behave  
 the same way? 

 Camera Raw v3.7 and Lightroom 1.0-1.2 failed for quite a while to  
 read PEF files I created with the K10D. It seemed to happen with  
 photos made when I was pointing the camera straight down more of the  
 time. I thought it was a camera problem. However, PPL would read them  
 and output an uncompressed DNG file, which was then readable by  
 Camera Raw/DNG Converter up to v4.2 or Lightroom up to up to 1.2. 

 I hadn't noticed that in all cases the PEF files were  16M in size.  
 When Lightroom v1.3 appeared (Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3), the  
 problem disappeared. I conclude it was a software error in the Adobe  
 code that limited the ability to process PEF files larger than a 16M  
 size. Nothing to do with the camera. 

 Don't jump to conclusions. :-) 

 Godfrey 

 On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Mark Erickson wrote: 

 
 H, 

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.   
 Did you try
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG? 

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to  
 indicate
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7. 

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or  
 the Pentax
 Photo Browser. 

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include  
 me).
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D? 

 Any more thoughts? 

   

   


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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:

 I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe stopped
 releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer.

I haven't upgraded to CS3. I moved my primary workflow to Lightroom  
instead, and use CS2 occasionally when I need to do more selective  
and/or compositing -oriented editing in addition. I find this setup  
more productive for my work, I use Lightroom to manage the entire  
photographic workflow from import to print/export to finished files.

But you can continue with what you're doing at no additional cost.  
Download the Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3.1 bundle from Adobe.  
Don't bother installing the Camera Raw plugin, it won't work. Install  
the standalone DNG Converter application.

Add a step at the beginning of your workflow to run all your PEF  
files through DNG Converter ... you can target the card as input and  
a folder on the computer as output. This will render the PEF files  
into DNG files that are completely compatible with CS2 + Bridge +  
Camera Raw v3.7 with no further ado.

Godfrey

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FS: MZ-S plus BG-10 grip, MZ-5 plus battery pack

2008-02-18 Thread Carlos Royo
I know I am late (or early, it depends) as it is not Friday, but I hope
you will forgive me.

I have 5 Pentax film SLRs and unfortunately I don't use them a lot
lately, so I want to sell a pair of them.

Firstly, an MZ-S body with very little signs of use, plus the nice BG-10
grip which adds the capability to use AA batteries, plus a second
shutter button, infrared remote receiver, etc. The MZ-S is an excellent
camera, in many ways the best AF SLR Pentax has made. 450 euros plus
shipping expenses.

Secondly, an MZ-5 body in excellent condition, also with little signs of 
use, boxed with its original accessories an instruction manual (Spanish),
plus a boxed Fg battery pack, which allows the use of AA batteries, and
an F wired remote release. 100 euros plus shipping expenses.

If someone is interested, please send a message to my e-mail box, not
the list. Thank you for your attention.

Carlos


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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Erickson
Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


 Godfrey,

 No jumping, just a question.  P.J. actually suggested that there might have
 been a glitch in the camera.

 I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe stopped
 releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer.

CS3 is worth the upgrade, just to get the new RAW converter.
Having said that, if this is the only file you've had a problem with, don't be 
quick to jump on 
new software or hardware. Digital image files get corrupted, it happens. You 
have 12 or so mb of 
data sitting there, I imagine that a write error to a HD, or a bad sector in 
the flash memory, 
or any of a myriad of things could happen to make a file go sideways.
When film was king, people used to get the occassional dust speck on a print, 
but it didn't mean 
that the brand of film they used was junk.
Stuff happens, get past it and keep moving. If this becomes a problem, you'll 
know about it 
because you'll be losing entire days worth of shooting (the digital equivalent 
of a film 
processor melt down).

William Robb 


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Re: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
What Cotty said. These would look great printed to about 4 x 6 and mounted 
behind 8-ply black mats in 11 x 14 frames. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 18/02/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
 The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure  
 controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other  
 toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)
 
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg
 
 Beautiful colour, both really nice.
 
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
Or just shoot DNG. With the price of memory cards shrinking every day, shooting 
DNG with the K10D is a reasonable solution. I still use the last version of  
PSCS ACR, which has no problem with the DNG files. The only downside is 
archiving, as the files are larger. I'll probably convert to lightroom at some 
point, but I haven't yet found the time or the ambition:-).
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:
 
  I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe stopped
  releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer.
 
 I haven't upgraded to CS3. I moved my primary workflow to Lightroom  
 instead, and use CS2 occasionally when I need to do more selective  
 and/or compositing -oriented editing in addition. I find this setup  
 more productive for my work, I use Lightroom to manage the entire  
 photographic workflow from import to print/export to finished files.
 
 But you can continue with what you're doing at no additional cost.  
 Download the Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3.1 bundle from Adobe.  
 Don't bother installing the Camera Raw plugin, it won't work. Install  
 the standalone DNG Converter application.
 
 Add a step at the beginning of your workflow to run all your PEF  
 files through DNG Converter ... you can target the card as input and  
 a folder on the computer as output. This will render the PEF files  
 into DNG files that are completely compatible with CS2 + Bridge +  
 Camera Raw v3.7 with no further ado.
 
 Godfrey
 
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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:28:52 +0100 schreef Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi list!

 I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has
 experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which
 lens to buy :D

SP90 2,5 Macro. With the A50/1,4 easily my favourite lens.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Paul,

If you run the K10D's native DNG files through DNG Converter v3.7 or  
higher, it will re-write them with lossless compression and save  
about 40-50% on storage.

Godfrey

On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or just shoot DNG. With the price of memory cards shrinking every  
 day, shooting DNG with the K10D is a reasonable solution. I still  
 use the last version of  PSCS ACR, which has no problem with the  
 DNG files. The only downside is archiving, as the files are larger.  
 I'll probably convert to lightroom at some point, but I haven't yet  
 found the time or the ambition:-).
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:

 I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe  
 stopped
 releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer.

 I haven't upgraded to CS3. I moved my primary workflow to Lightroom
 instead, and use CS2 occasionally when I need to do more selective
 and/or compositing -oriented editing in addition. I find this setup
 more productive for my work, I use Lightroom to manage the entire
 photographic workflow from import to print/export to finished files.

 But you can continue with what you're doing at no additional cost.
 Download the Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3.1 bundle from Adobe.
 Don't bother installing the Camera Raw plugin, it won't work. Install
 the standalone DNG Converter application.

 Add a step at the beginning of your workflow to run all your PEF
 files through DNG Converter ... you can target the card as input and
 a folder on the computer as output. This will render the PEF files
 into DNG files that are completely compatible with CS2 + Bridge +
 Camera Raw v3.7 with no further ado.


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Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread Timber
Hi list!

I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has 
experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which 
lens to buy :D

I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today (the newer version) and I am really 
satisfied with it. It has very good contrast and sharpness and it's a 
joy to use it. On digital it's 36mm which is a good wide angle for me. I 
am also thinking about the SP500 f8 mirror lens and the SP300 f5.6. Also 
as I wrote earlier I am hunting the SP 70-150 f2.8 Soft one for 
portrait. But what other adaptall lenses worth to buy? Since my dad has 
Nikon (luckily the 24 f2.5 arrived with Nikon adapter) it would be a 
good solution to buy adaptall lenses so we can share those optics (and 
their price too :D)

Cheers,
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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Maas
The 90mm f2.5 Macro is probably the most legendary of all the Tamron
Adaptall lenses. Well worth the cost, especially if you get it with
the 1:1 adaptor.

-Adam

On 2/18/08, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi list!

 I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has
 experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which
 lens to buy :D

 I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today (the newer version) and I am really
 satisfied with it. It has very good contrast and sharpness and it's a
 joy to use it. On digital it's 36mm which is a good wide angle for me. I
 am also thinking about the SP500 f8 mirror lens and the SP300 f5.6. Also
 as I wrote earlier I am hunting the SP 70-150 f2.8 Soft one for
 portrait. But what other adaptall lenses worth to buy? Since my dad has
 Nikon (luckily the 24 f2.5 arrived with Nikon adapter) it would be a
 good solution to buy adaptall lenses so we can share those optics (and
 their price too :D)

 Cheers,
 .timber

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Re: PESO 2008 - 07 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/02/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Back to this year's monochrome obsession, from yesterday's street  
shooting session in SF ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/07-reading.jpg
Reading - This Cafe Life 2008
Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
ISO 200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec, fl=18mm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

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Re: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/02/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

Forming good professional habits is all about doing stuff automatically.
It's quicker and simpler to follow a single overall rule, even if it's
sometimes unnecessary, than it is to rationalise individual situations.  If
you let yourself be sloppy when it doesn't really matter, then you are
likely to get sloppy when it does matter, like when you're toting personal
gear with a wide angle lens up front.  And nobody who's ever turned in
damaged gear believes the boss doesn't care.  BTDT.

My own experience is that when it belongs to  large company, I look
after it - but only to a point. After that, I might get a new one, so no
sweat.

When it belongs to me, I look after it with my life.

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Re: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/02/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure  
controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other  
toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg

Beautiful colour, both really nice.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Running all my *ist DS PEF files through DNG converter save 56 Gbytes  
of disk space ... that's worth it! And K10D RAW/DNG files are larger!

Godfrey

On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks Godders. Yes, I remember reading that before. I guess I  
 should do it. That's a lot of disk space.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Paul,

 If you run the K10D's native DNG files through DNG Converter v3.7 or
 higher, it will re-write them with lossless compression and save
 about 40-50% on storage.

 Godfrey

 On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or just shoot DNG. With the price of memory cards shrinking every
 day, shooting DNG with the K10D is a reasonable solution. I still
 use the last version of  PSCS ACR, which has no problem with the
 DNG files. The only downside is archiving, as the files are larger.
 I'll probably convert to lightroom at some point, but I haven't yet
 found the time or the ambition:-).


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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist

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From: Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today ... On digital it's 36mm 

S. You'll wake up Bill.

Paul

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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread John Whittingham
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:28:52 +0100, Timber wrote
 Hi list!
 
 I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has 
 experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which 
 lens to buy :D
 
 I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today (the newer version) and I am really 
 satisfied with it. It has very good contrast and sharpness and it's 
 a joy to use it. On digital it's 36mm which is a good wide angle for 
 me. I am also thinking about the SP500 f8 mirror lens and the SP300 
 f5.6. Also as I wrote earlier I am hunting the SP 70-150 f2.8 Soft 
 one for portrait. But what other adaptall lenses worth to buy? Since 
 my dad has Nikon (luckily the 24 f2.5 arrived with Nikon adapter) it 
 would be a good solution to buy adaptall lenses so we can share 
 those optics (and their price too :D)
 
 Cheers,
 .timber

 The 300mm f5.6 is very good optically, if a little slow (apeture wise), nice 
size to use hand held at faster shutter speeds.

Regards,

John



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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Walter Hamler
Bill, how do you do those screenshots? Is it software or something in
Windows that I don't know about?

Walt

On 2/18/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 From: Mark Erickson
 Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


  H,
 
  So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try
  to convert it to DNG then open the DNG?
 
  Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
  problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate
  that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7.
 
  P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax
  Photo Browser.
 
  H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).
  Question is, do I have a bad K10D?
 
  Any more thoughts?

 If it's a one off problem with one file, it isn't likely to be the camera.
 This is interesting though, when I did as you suggested, which was convert 
 the file to a DNG and
 then open the DNG, the corruption showed up in ACR for a moment, and then 
 dissappeared.

 I put two screenshots up on my website if you care to look:
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen1.jpg
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen2.jpg

 Smarter minds than I will have to sort this out.

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Re: PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
I like the horizontal one, the first one. The look is just about right. You 
might try desaturating it a bit to give it more age. 
I think the balcony is distracting in the second, vertical shot. Perhaps you 
should rotate it so that the balcony line is level. Although I'm not sure that 
will help. But, again, the first one is a winner.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Hello!
 
 Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg
 
 These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
 ( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
 That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra 
 ( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
 that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.
 
 As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.
 
 Igor
 
 
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Walter Hamler wrote:
 Bill, how do you do those screenshots? Is it software or something in
 Windows that I don't know about?

ALT+PrintScreen and then paste into a new document in Photoshop :)

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PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread Igor Roshchin


Hello!

Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg

These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra 
( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.

As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.

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Re: PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
They do capture the feel of a shot from the late 40's or early 50's.  
However unfortunately they're just not that interesting in and of 
themselves.

Igor Roshchin wrote:
 Hello!

 Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg

 These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
 ( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
 That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra 
 ( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
 that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.

 As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.

 Igor


   


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RE: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
forget mirror lenses of any brand, they vary
from fair to horrid.
jco

-Original Message-
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Timber
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:29 PM
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Subject: Adaptall lenses


Hi list!

I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has 
experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which 
lens to buy :D

I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today (the newer version) and I am really 
satisfied with it. It has very good contrast and sharpness and it's a 
joy to use it. On digital it's 36mm which is a good wide angle for me. I 
am also thinking about the SP500 f8 mirror lens and the SP300 f5.6. Also 
as I wrote earlier I am hunting the SP 70-150 f2.8 Soft one for 
portrait. But what other adaptall lenses worth to buy? Since my dad has 
Nikon (luckily the 24 f2.5 arrived with Nikon adapter) it would be a 
good solution to buy adaptall lenses so we can share those optics (and 
their price too :D)

Cheers,
.timber

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Re: PESO 2008 - 07 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Rick Womer
Interesting idea, but to me it comes across as a
jumble.


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 Olympus E-1 + ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
 ISO 200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec, fl=18mm
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Godders. Yes, I remember reading that before. I guess I should do it. 
That's a lot of disk space.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Paul,
 
 If you run the K10D's native DNG files through DNG Converter v3.7 or  
 higher, it will re-write them with lossless compression and save  
 about 40-50% on storage.
 
 Godfrey
 
 On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Or just shoot DNG. With the price of memory cards shrinking every  
  day, shooting DNG with the K10D is a reasonable solution. I still  
  use the last version of  PSCS ACR, which has no problem with the  
  DNG files. The only downside is archiving, as the files are larger.  
  I'll probably convert to lightroom at some point, but I haven't yet  
  found the time or the ambition:-).
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:
 
  I was hoping that I wouldn't have to upgrade to CS3, but Adobe  
  stopped
  releasing ACR updates for CS2 at V3.7.  Bummer.
 
  I haven't upgraded to CS3. I moved my primary workflow to Lightroom
  instead, and use CS2 occasionally when I need to do more selective
  and/or compositing -oriented editing in addition. I find this setup
  more productive for my work, I use Lightroom to manage the entire
  photographic workflow from import to print/export to finished files.
 
  But you can continue with what you're doing at no additional cost.
  Download the Camera Raw/DNG Converter v4.3.1 bundle from Adobe.
  Don't bother installing the Camera Raw plugin, it won't work. Install
  the standalone DNG Converter application.
 
  Add a step at the beginning of your workflow to run all your PEF
  files through DNG Converter ... you can target the card as input and
  a folder on the computer as output. This will render the PEF files
  into DNG files that are completely compatible with CS2 + Bridge +
  Camera Raw v3.7 with no further ado.
 
 
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Re: PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
I like that rendering. I'm also thinking you might want to make it look ever so 
slightly faded. Perhaps by brightening it up while reducing contrast? I'm not 
sure, but it might be worthwhile to experiment a bit.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Paul,
 
 Thanks for the response.
 I guess, the age can be added this way:
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799-2.jpg
 Is this what you had in mind?
 
 As for the balcony, - it cannot be leveled - I had considered this.
 You see how the floor lines (and the orchestra lines) are converging
 the other way?
 The reason I am considering the vertical photo is because of the
 chandelier. I think the decor of the balcony (and even the structure of
 it) also adds to the atmosphere.
 I would be curious to hear what others think.
 
 Thanks for looking,
 
 Igor
 
 
 Mon Feb 18 15:58:51 EST 2008
 pnstenquist wrote:
 
 
  I like the horizontal one, the first one. The look is just about right. 
  You might try desaturating it a bit to give it more age. 
  I think the balcony is distracting in the second, vertical shot. 
  Perhaps you should rotate it so that the balcony line is level. 
  Although I'm not sure that will help. But, again, the first one is a winner.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org
   
   
Hello!
   
   Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
   http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
   http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg
   
   These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
   ( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
   That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra 
   ( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
   that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.
   
   As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.
   
   Igor
 
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Re: Peso Hurley Inn

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Sorenson
Oops!!  You're right...I went back and re-read my lumbering lore and the 
reference was to hell, not Hell.  I guess Hayward and Hurley we rougher 
than hell.  I need to learn some Michigan geography, as well.  ;[

-p

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hell, Michigan is in the lower peninsula, about halfway between Detroit and 
 Lansing.  At least that's where it is today. Don't know if there was another 
 Hell in the 19th century./
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Back in the lumbering days of the late 1800's the three really rough 
 towns were the three H's - Hayward, Hurley and Hell.  Hayward and Hurley 
 being in Wisconsin and Hell in the UP.  I remember driving through 
 Hurley with my parents in the 1950's and almost all the businesses on 
 Silver Street were still saloons and houses of ill repute.  The town has 
 cleaned up some in the last 50 years...  ;]

 -p




 David J Brooks wrote:
 Had to stop at Hurley Wis at Hwy's 2 and 51 as we are not allowed to
 run these towers into Wis during the day.

 Heavy snow all day on the Thursday drive from Rapid River Mich to Hurley.

 Rented rooms and had a few hours sleep for the midnight take off, Friday.

 Hear is a shot just out from the side door. It was snowing, blowing
 and cold. IMSMC it said -35 F.

 LR BW conversion and a pole cloned out


 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent
 =Hurley-3761.jpg
 Dave

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Control Print Screen open a paint program (MS Paint works well), 
ShiftInsert and you'll get this message with paint; Image in 
clipboard is larger than the bitmap. Would you like the bitmap 
enlarged?  Just say yes then you can save it as any common format you 
want.  You can also use Irfan View as a screen capture program, but the 
first method is built into recent versions of windows.

Walter Hamler wrote:
 Bill, how do you do those screenshots? Is it software or something in
 Windows that I don't know about?

 Walt

 On 2/18/08, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Erickson
 Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


 
 H,

 So William Robb opened the PEF with ACR 4.3.1 with no problems.  Did you try
 to convert it to DNG then open the DNG?

 Godfrey opened the PEF with ACR 3.7, then saved it as a DNG with no
 problems.  That's what didn't work right on my computer.  Seems to indicate
 that I have a problem with my installation of ACR 3.7.

 P.J. couldn't read the PEF with either Raw Shooter Essentials or the Pentax
 Photo Browser.

 H.  Three people, three different results (four if you include me).
 Question is, do I have a bad K10D?

 Any more thoughts?
   
 If it's a one off problem with one file, it isn't likely to be the camera.
 This is interesting though, when I did as you suggested, which was convert 
 the file to a DNG and
 then open the DNG, the corruption showed up in ACR for a moment, and then 
 dissappeared.

 I put two screenshots up on my website if you care to look:
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen1.jpg
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/ACRscreen2.jpg

 Smarter minds than I will have to sort this out.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I never think of using Photoshop for this because it takes so much 
longer to load.  In this case Photoshop would have been open wouldn't it...

Mark Roberts wrote:
 Walter Hamler wrote:
   
 Bill, how do you do those screenshots? Is it software or something in
 Windows that I don't know about?
 

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Re: PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread Igor Roshchin

Paul,

Thanks for the response.
I guess, the age can be added this way:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799-2.jpg
Is this what you had in mind?

As for the balcony, - it cannot be leveled - I had considered this.
You see how the floor lines (and the orchestra lines) are converging
the other way?
The reason I am considering the vertical photo is because of the
chandelier. I think the decor of the balcony (and even the structure of
it) also adds to the atmosphere.
I would be curious to hear what others think.

Thanks for looking,

Igor


Mon Feb 18 15:58:51 EST 2008
pnstenquist wrote:


 I like the horizontal one, the first one. The look is just about right. 
 You might try desaturating it a bit to give it more age. 
 I think the balcony is distracting in the second, vertical shot. 
 Perhaps you should rotate it so that the balcony line is level. 
 Although I'm not sure that will help. But, again, the first one is a winner.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org
  
  
   Hello!
  
  Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
  http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
  http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg
  
  These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
  ( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
  That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra 
  ( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
  that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.
  
  As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.
  
  Igor

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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh, he stopped those rants, well it /seem/ like years ago.

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 I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today ... On digital it's 36mm 
 

 S. You'll wake up Bill.

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Re: Peso Hurley Inn

2008-02-18 Thread pnstenquist
I've never been to Hell, but I knew it was close to Detroit:-). BTW, Hayward is 
the muskie fishing capital of Wisconsin. The only better place to catch the big 
fish is right here -- in Detroit's Lake St. Claire.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Oops!!  You're right...I went back and re-read my lumbering lore and the 
 reference was to hell, not Hell.  I guess Hayward and Hurley we rougher 
 than hell.  I need to learn some Michigan geography, as well.  ;[
 
 -p
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hell, Michigan is in the lower peninsula, about halfway between Detroit and 
 Lansing.  At least that's where it is today. Don't know if there was another 
 Hell in the 19th century./
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Back in the lumbering days of the late 1800's the three really rough 
  towns were the three H's - Hayward, Hurley and Hell.  Hayward and Hurley 
  being in Wisconsin and Hell in the UP.  I remember driving through 
  Hurley with my parents in the 1950's and almost all the businesses on 
  Silver Street were still saloons and houses of ill repute.  The town has 
  cleaned up some in the last 50 years...  ;]
 
  -p
 
 
 
 
  David J Brooks wrote:
  Had to stop at Hurley Wis at Hwy's 2 and 51 as we are not allowed to
  run these towers into Wis during the day.
 
  Heavy snow all day on the Thursday drive from Rapid River Mich to 
  Hurley.
 
  Rented rooms and had a few hours sleep for the midnight take off, 
  Friday.
 
  Hear is a shot just out from the side door. It was snowing, blowing
  and cold. IMSMC it said -35 F.
 
  LR BW conversion and a pole cloned out
 
 
  
 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent
  =Hurley-3761.jpg
  Dave
 
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More Leibovitz

2008-02-18 Thread Bob W
A trailer on The First Post for a film about La Leibovitz:
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?filmID=935

Looks quite interesting.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?


 Walter Hamler wrote:
 Bill, how do you do those screenshots? Is it software or something in
 Windows that I don't know about?

 ALT+PrintScreen and then paste into a new document in Photoshop :)

Sheesh, is it that simple?
I guess I can kill the chicken now..
Being serious for a moment Walter, that is how it is done.

Being the jerk that I am, one day I took a screenshot of my workstation at the 
studio and made 
it into a desktop background.

William Robb



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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Adaptall lenses



 -- Original message --
 From: Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I got an Adaptall 24 f2.5 today ... On digital it's 36mm

 S. You'll wake up Bill.

Right.
GGHHH

Kind Regards

William Robb 


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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Timber
Subject: Adaptall lenses


 Hi list!

 I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has
 experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which
 lens to buy :D


I haven't seen a Tamron Adaptall that wasn't a good lens. I've used their 17mm, 
the 90 macro, a 
70-210, and 300/5.6. All were good to excellent.

William Robb 


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Re: Peso Hurley Inn

2008-02-18 Thread Igor Roshchin

I suspect some may have been referring to this dialog:
( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dogma )

Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
And when the world ends, they'll have to sit outside the gates for all
eternity.

Movie Dogma: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120655/synopsis


Igor

Mon Feb 18 17:00:36 EST 2008
pnstenquist wrote:

 I've never been to Hell, but I knew it was close to Detroit:-). BTW, 
 Hayward is the muskie fishing capital of Wisconsin. The only better 
 place to catch the big fish is right here -- in Detroit's Lake St. Claire.
 Paul

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/Hurley-3761.jpg

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Re: Published!

2008-02-18 Thread Rebekah
Noisy Oyster???

heck, I don't know, I just work there.

rg2

On 2/18/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 18/02/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Forming good professional habits is all about doing stuff automatically.
 It's quicker and simpler to follow a single overall rule, even if it's
 sometimes unnecessary, than it is to rationalise individual situations.  If
 you let yourself be sloppy when it doesn't really matter, then you are
 likely to get sloppy when it does matter, like when you're toting personal
 gear with a wide angle lens up front.  And nobody who's ever turned in
 damaged gear believes the boss doesn't care.  BTDT.

 My own experience is that when it belongs to  large company, I look
 after it - but only to a point. After that, I might get a new one, so no
 sweat.

 When it belongs to me, I look after it with my life.

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Re: Huzzah

2008-02-18 Thread David J Brooks
Same here Doug.


I also like the Raw button for occasional rAWS.
At GFM last year, i shot my photos of say sunsets etc, in jpeg. When i
got something liked, i hit the Raw button for the keeper

Dave

On Feb 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
  I thought I'd mention this as it will make some of you smile.

 :-)

  ... I've been shooting exclusively RAW on that camera, ...
 
  Disclaimer: yeah yeah yeah jpegs great for mass blasting weddings
  whatever yeah yeah.

 For me, one of the great joys of the K10D is that it can shoot PEF+JPG.
   Sure, I lose a little card capacity (~20%) to the extra JPG images,
 but I have JPGs right out of the camera for time critical stuff.  And I
 *also* have the PEFs ready for post if they need it.

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 Thanks,
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Re: More Leibovitz

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't even hate to say this, the initial scene with the celebrities 
all repeating her name is really very annoying, the rest is just seems 
banal, Leibovitz'  photographs are much better framed, even though I'm 
not a fan.  It looks like it will be cut and spliced together in an MTV 
cinema verité kind of way. 

Bob W wrote:
 A trailer on The First Post for a film about La Leibovitz:
 http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?filmID=935

 Looks quite interesting.

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Re: Adaptall lenses

2008-02-18 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:29:17PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Timber
 Subject: Adaptall lenses
 
 
  Hi list!
 
  I would like to ask about the Tamron Adaptall lenses. If anyone has
  experience with them I would be interested to hear. Especially which
  lens to buy :D
 
 
 I haven't seen a Tamron Adaptall that wasn't a good lens. I've used their 
 17mm, the 90 macro, a 
 70-210, and 300/5.6. All were good to excellent.
 
 William Robb 

There's not a lot wrong with the 300/2.8, either, especially with the matched 
TCs.


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Re: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Christine Aguila
Godfrey:  These are lovely.  Cheers, Christine


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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: DUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML List PDML@pdml.net; 
PAW [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: PESO 2008 - 06 - GDG


I was browsing through some of my recent photos and found a small set
 of about ten photos I made with the Treo 650 cell phone during the
 New Years Eve party I went to. I mashed them about with Lightroom a
 bit and thought a couple of them looked rather nice, in a decorative
 way.

 The Treo's camera only does 640x480 pixels and has no user exposure
 controls so in a way it's kinda like shooting with a Holga or other
 toy camera. That's part of its charm ...  :-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/06-cellphonediptych.jpg

 Comments always appreciated.

 enjoy
 Godfrey

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Re: PESO 2008 - 07 - GDG

2008-02-18 Thread Charles Robinson
On Feb 18, 2008, at 14:00, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Back to this year's monochrome obsession, from yesterday's street
 shooting session in SF ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/07-reading.jpg

Godfrey, your work usually makes me despair that I'll never take a  
good photograph.  Take for example the fact that you are able to make  
really nice-looking images with that gawd-awful camera built into the  
Treo.

That being said, this image just looks like a mess to me.  I'm willing  
to be the first one to declare that it might be my failure to see  
something in it (as opposed to there not being anything there).

The only thing I sorta liked is that the vertical groove between the  
two window panes almost look like the seam of an open book - but that  
alone isn't strong enough to make it work for me.

I never think an artist should have to explain his work but (against  
my better judgement) I'm compelled to ask what it is about this image  
that works for you?

  -Charles

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Re: PESO circa 1938

2008-02-18 Thread Christine Aguila
Igor:  I prefer the 1st one.  The second photograph doesn't appeal to me, 
but the 1st one seems to achieve more of your intent to capture the 
atmosphere of the time and moment.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO circa 1938




 Hello!

 Here is yet another attempt to catch the athmosphere of 1930-40s.
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0799.jpg
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/retro/IMGP0800.jpg

 These photos were taken at Cicada Club in Los Angeles
 ( http://www.clubcicada.com/ ).
 That night a big band, Dean Mora and His Orchestra
 ( http://morasmodern.com/BANDS.asp ), was playing the music from
 that era, and people, dressed accordingly, were dancing.

 As always, all brutal comments and suggestions are welcome.

 Igor


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Re: Your Great Photographic Moments?

2008-02-18 Thread P. J. Alling
You'd need texture for skiing, sliding is a better description.   :-P

Cotty wrote:
 On 18/02/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Of course your response qualifies!  And BTW, just how tall is Cotty? 
 

 People go skiing on my head.

   


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Re: Your Great Photographic Moments?

2008-02-18 Thread Christine Aguila
Of course your response qualifies!  And BTW, just how tall is Cotty? 
Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Your Great Photographic Moments?


 I'm afraid, I don't have an answer to this question.

 Well, may be the first few shots of my daughter that I've taken with my
 brand new back then Pentax ZX-L and FA 50/1.7 lens. When I saw the
 prints I knew I found what I wanted. But it is more a young father
 memory than a photographer's memory.

 Well, of course when I first saw our Mr. Oksne in Oslo airport that was
 very memorable. And to add to that memory Pentax content - the guy was
 holding *istD with the grip and silver FA 31 Ltd attached to that. I was
 fighting hard so as not to be mesmerized.

 I do remember that I was very impressed with how tall Cotty was when I
 first saw him. And that Leica camera Bob W brought to the meeting...

 Does this response quality?

 Boris



 Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 I hope you don't find this request tiresome, but given the great
 international reach, the delightfully varied life experiences and
 photographic interests, and the endless talent of the list, I'd love to 
 hear
 stories about your greatest photographic moments.  Anyone willing to 
 share a
 story or 2?

 Cheers, Christine





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Re: PESO - Amgen Tour of California

2008-02-18 Thread Christine Aguila
John Francis:  Great shot.  Really enjoyed seeing this.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO - Amgen Tour of California



 The Amgen Tour of California started today.
 Here's my last shot of the day (isn't that always the way):

http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0808



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Re: Kosovo

2008-02-18 Thread Christine Aguila
Bob:  Nice to see these.  I especially like the man in the white hat.  A 
good documentation of the event.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Kosovo


 Kosovans in London have been celebrating their country's declaration
 of independence today:

 http://www.web-options.com/Kosovo/

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Re: Your Great Photographic Moments?

2008-02-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/02/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

Of course your response qualifies!  And BTW, just how tall is Cotty? 

People go skiing on my head.

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Re: ACR 3.7 corrupted a K10D PEF?

2008-02-18 Thread David Savage
At 07:26 AM 19/02/2008, William Robb wrote:

Being the jerk that I am

MARK!

:-)

Cheers,

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