Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Scott Loveless
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 Some people do actually call me Steve.  Steev

 Some call me Cotty.  Various 'Kott-'  'Kadee'

 Cottrell is definitely 'Kawtrul', not 'Kawtrelll' or Koe trelll'

 Some call me anything they like.

Sometimes they call at ungodly hours and say Ni to you.

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GESO: Liberdade

2011-07-22 Thread Tim Bray
It's the Japanese part of São Paulo:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/07/21/Liberdade-Market

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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread David Mann
On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream
 
 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!

Glad I'm not affected.  Today's high was a balmy 7C.  We might get snow in the 
next couple of days.  Our winter has been very mild so far but it sounds like 
our first real storm of the season is on its way.

Dave


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test

2011-07-22 Thread Anthony Farr
Is the list broken, or just run out of things to say?  The last
messageinto the archive was 3 hours ago, that's unusually quiet.

regards, Anthony

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Re: Kiss/truck

2011-07-22 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Hey, that's not a big city drug... =)

2011/7/22  drd1...@gmail.com:
 Mmm. . . Generic urban acid . . .
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 Yuck... to me it looks like generic urban acid... effect for effect's sake IMO
 well at least it seems to polarize...

 2011/7/18 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 I normally hate HDR, but wow:
 https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA

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Re: test

2011-07-22 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:47:16 +1000
Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is the list broken, or just run out of things to say?  The last
 messageinto the archive was 3 hours ago, that's unusually quiet.
 
 regards, Anthony

you got through.  I know Its not really my turn to be awake.

Bran

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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-22 Thread Toralf Lund

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I already have a first dibs on this from a list member to whom I offered
mine for less than that .  friends price.
Of course :-) So you get the opportunity to make good money and be nice 
to a buyer and list member at the same time. And you have given some 
support to the work of the Salvation Army, too (who, I'm assuming got 
the equipment for free, so they also made a small profit.) Not bad for a 
day's work.


- Toralf


I haven't even had a chance to do the photos of the equipment yet
but that's partly because it is just too hot here even with my ac's 
full blast.  I melt at a lower temperature than most


ann

On 7/21/2011 16:25, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

the same lens is $90 less at BH.

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P. J. Alling wrote:

On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

[ ... ]











NExt ...
50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the
istD and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently
it works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
operating manual from 1991.



Let me know what you want for it...

Let me do some more digging :-)  I guess you know this lens ..



It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery,
(Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings
Pentax put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short
portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the
automation.  The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good
enough.  I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I
used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.

It's still a current lens, too:

http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when
was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would
typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone
thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...

- Toralf







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RE: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Looks very refreshing from the inside would have hated to have had my camera
out when it started. I now keep a trash bag in my backpack just in case I
get caught out in the rain.

___
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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:15 PM
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Subject: Peso - sudden rain

This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a while... I
was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after this.  It cleared
quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I would have gotten a
nice shot of from our roof. :-(

With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600

For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it is
an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo again
soon.

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/1538920
6_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large

an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed with the darkside
camera

http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/25264
44_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large

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Re: FS Friday - a couple of Pentax things - whadda shock, eh?

2011-07-22 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Ann's price on the Sekonic is a very good price.
If I had not just purchased one of these two weeks ago ...

Sincerely, 

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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I really like this. Dramatic. interesting, and very New York.
Paul

On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:38 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
 
 On 7/21/2011 23:19, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like that. Well captured.
 thanks -
 couple of night owls we are
 
 ann
 
 -Original Message-
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 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:14:52
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 Subject: Peso - sudden rain
 
 This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a
 while... I was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after
 this.  It cleared quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I
 would have gotten a nice shot of from our roof. :-(
 
 With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600
 
 For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
 is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
 again soon.
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large
 
 an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
 with the darkside camera
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large
 
 ann
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I had only looked at the first pic -- the rain. I'm programmed to the double 
option that flickrfolks use. I like Ashley as well, although she's not being 
very modest!
Paul

On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:38 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
 
 On 7/21/2011 23:19, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like that. Well captured.
 thanks -
 couple of night owls we are
 
 ann
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com
 Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net
 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:14:52
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 Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Peso - sudden rain
 
 This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a
 while... I was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after
 this.  It cleared quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I
 would have gotten a nice shot of from our roof. :-(
 
 With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600
 
 For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
 is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
 again soon.
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large
 
 an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
 with the darkside camera
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large
 
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Re: PESO = lilies and lawn

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
The frame number is 1981. It was shot yesterday. Magic hour light is always 
good, even when it's blistering!
Paul


On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
 
 On 7/21/2011 22:14, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 ..at twilight on a 100 degree day.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13819672size=lg
 
 OH - the _address_ is 1981
 
 I had to look at the details to see the exposure date...
 
 It looks so tranquil and tidy - not blistering ..
 
 ann
 
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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Sure, all you bottom hemisphere guys have to rub it in.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:51 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!

 Glad I'm not affected.  Today's high was a balmy 7C.  We might get snow in 
 the next couple of days.  Our winter has been very mild so far but it sounds 
 like our first real storm of the season is on its way.

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Re: GESO: Liberdade

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Interesting Tim.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 It's the Japanese part of São Paulo:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/07/21/Liberdade-Market

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FS: M50/1.7

2011-07-22 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
It's cheap.  Why?  Mild fungus.  Very mild wear.
But ... it comes with its hard case and the Pentax brand uv filter.
$20 shipped (US).

Sincerely, 

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W90 down :(

2011-07-22 Thread Cory Waters
The W90 is apparently screwed.  When switched-on it takes between 1-3 
pictures on its own.  Then none of the buttons work and it's fairly 
useless.
I got it second hand so no warranty repair.  I guess I'll wait and see 
what Pentax customer service says.


 :(

CW

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K5 quieter than a Leica

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
At lest according to this guy's testing: 
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103766

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Re: K5 quieter than a Leica

2011-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 At lest according to this guy's testing:
 http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103766

Someone at the camera shop happened to be there with a K5 when I was
there with the Olympus E-1 and they had an M6 and an M8 on display. So
I got to hear all three next to one another.

Jury's out on absolute volume ... My ear is not a decibel meter! ...
but all four are very quiet and have a very nice quality sound too. I
think the M6 with film in it is subjectively a hair quieter than the
other three, as someone mentioned in the thread you pointed to, but
all of them are quiet enough that most people will hardly notice in
any normal room's ambient noise. The M8 (vertical travel metal
shutter) has a slightly more metallic click than the M6 (horizontal
travel rubberized cloth shutter). The E-1 and K5 both have a vertical
travel metal shutter and both have a very restrained click, the E-1
seems just slightly softer on the mirror return noise.

But they're all very quiet cameras, the E-1 and K5 particularly so for
being SLRs.
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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/22/2011 06:37, Toralf Lund wrote:

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I already have a first dibs on this from a list member to whom I offered
mine for less than that . friends price.

Of course :-) So you get the opportunity to make good money and be nice
to a buyer and list member at the same time. And you have given some
support to the work of the Salvation Army, too (who, I'm assuming got
the equipment for free, so they also made a small profit.) Not bad for a
day's work.

- Toralf


Yes - I consider it's a win win.. :-)
I'm a good customer there.. I don't buy anything new except food and um 
certain paper products... although sometimes things in the thrift store

are actually new because they get donations from retailers too..  I stop
in there almost every day - to chat, hunt for specific special things
or just browse.   Recent scores that are not photographic include a pair 
of Cole Haan NEW sandals for myself for $15, an old Scrabble set - $3 (I 
sell the tiles alone on ebay for a small profit) and, also for $3

the HCB book on Matisse - text in French.  I purposefully am not
spelling that out, but the cheapest price on Amazon is mine for a good 
deal less than the next highest.  I plan to put it on ebay too.. but

it is hard to part with.

I've already got cabin fever.. but it is 10 am and NPR radio just said 
it is 94 out - ten degrees hotter than it is in Phoenix Az


ann



I haven't even had a chance to do the photos of the equipment yet
but that's partly because it is just too hot here even with my ac's
full blast. I melt at a lower temperature than most

ann

On 7/21/2011 16:25, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

the same lens is $90 less at BH.

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P. J. Alling wrote:

On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

[ ... ]











NExt ...
50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the
istD and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently
it works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
operating manual from 1991.



Let me know what you want for it...

Let me do some more digging :-) I guess you know this lens ..



It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery,
(Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings
Pentax put in the focal length). I've been looking for nice short
portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the
automation. The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good
enough. I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I
used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.

It's still a current lens, too:

http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when
was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would
typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone
thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...

- Toralf









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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/22/2011 07:51, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I had only looked at the first pic -- the rain.


 I'm programmed to the double option that flickrfolks use.

 I like Ashley as well, although she's not being very modest!

Paul

Thanks

Ah - Understood!  Ashley has always been immodest :-)
I just looked at the EXIF data on that and saw I took -that_ photo
in July two years ago - definitely a its too damn hot pose...
could have been taken today

ann



On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:38 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:




On 7/21/2011 23:19, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

I like that. Well captured.

thanks -
couple of night owls we are

ann


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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:14:52
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Subject: Peso - sudden rain

This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a
while... I was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after
this.  It cleared quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I
would have gotten a nice shot of from our roof. :-(

With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600

For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
again soon.

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large

an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
with the darkside camera

http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large

ann







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I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Phew
HOpe to hear from Jostein soon

ann

On 7/22/2011 11:24, Tim Øsleby wrote:

I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
I think it's very unlikely that he or any other PDMLers was in centre
of the city.

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2011/7/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:
 Phew
 HOpe to hear from Jostein soon

 ann

 On 7/22/2011 11:24, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm
 ok.
 Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
 So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Darren Addy
Glad to hear you are OK.
Context: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Glad to hear you are OK.
 Context: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/

 Darren Addy
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Ah missed what was going on. Glad yoiur ok Tim

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Glad to hear it.  Things like that are so frightening.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Glad to hear you are OK.
 Context: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/

 Darren Addy
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 Ah missed what was going on. Glad yoiur ok Tim

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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Those guys in Phoenix are sissies.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 On 7/22/2011 06:37, Toralf Lund wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 I already have a first dibs on this from a list member to whom I offered
 mine for less than that . friends price.

 Of course :-) So you get the opportunity to make good money and be nice
 to a buyer and list member at the same time. And you have given some
 support to the work of the Salvation Army, too (who, I'm assuming got
 the equipment for free, so they also made a small profit.) Not bad for a
 day's work.

 - Toralf

 Yes - I consider it's a win win.. :-)
 I'm a good customer there.. I don't buy anything new except food and um
 certain paper products... although sometimes things in the thrift store
 are actually new because they get donations from retailers too..  I stop
 in there almost every day - to chat, hunt for specific special things
 or just browse.   Recent scores that are not photographic include a pair of
 Cole Haan NEW sandals for myself for $15, an old Scrabble set - $3 (I sell
 the tiles alone on ebay for a small profit) and, also for $3
 the HCB book on Matisse - text in French.  I purposefully am not
 spelling that out, but the cheapest price on Amazon is mine for a good deal
 less than the next highest.  I plan to put it on ebay too.. but
 it is hard to part with.

 I've already got cabin fever.. but it is 10 am and NPR radio just said it is
 94 out - ten degrees hotter than it is in Phoenix Az

 ann


 I haven't even had a chance to do the photos of the equipment yet
 but that's partly because it is just too hot here even with my ac's
 full blast. I melt at a lower temperature than most

 ann

 On 7/21/2011 16:25, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 the same lens is $90 less at BH.

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 P. J. Alling wrote:

 On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 [ ... ]







 NExt ...
 50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the
 istD and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently
 it works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
 operating manual from 1991.

 Let me know what you want for it...

 Let me do some more digging :-) I guess you know this lens ..


 It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery,
 (Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings
 Pentax put in the focal length). I've been looking for nice short
 portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the
 automation. The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good
 enough. I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I
 used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.

 It's still a current lens, too:

 http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

 That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when
 was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would
 typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone
 thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Tim Øsleby
Sorry I left out the context. I'm busy preparing for a festival gig.

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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
When the Aussies start complaining about it being 40º C with 90% 
Humidity we can all laugh at them, (just don't mention the foot of snow).


Yea, yea, Mann's in New Zealand, but I don't think it gets ./that/ hot 
there.


On 7/22/2011 8:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Sure, all you bottom hemisphere guys have to rub it in.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:51 AM, David Mannd...@multisport.net.nz  wrote:

On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!

Glad I'm not affected.  Today's high was a balmy 7C.  We might get snow in the 
next couple of days.  Our winter has been very mild so far but it sounds like 
our first real storm of the season is on its way.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling

Tim, what did you do this time, last time you sank a ship!

On 7/22/2011 11:24 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Good to hear you're safe.
I wont speak my thoughts on what I'd do if I caught the people
perpetrating these crimes, but it wouldn't be pretty.


On Friday, July 22, 2011, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
 Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
 So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Glad to hear, Tim. I'll never understand the complete absence of
dignity in terrorist thought. Hope there aren't too many casualties.
Wishing you all Godspeed
Ecke

2011/7/22 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com:
 Good to hear you're safe.
 I wont speak my thoughts on what I'd do if I caught the people
 perpetrating these crimes, but it wouldn't be pretty.


 On Friday, July 22, 2011, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
 Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
 So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Cotty
Just texted Jostein - he's well and good. He says the bomb went off in
an area little used by pedestrians. As with most Norwegians, he finds
the news shocking.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread John Sessoms
I've noticed that some characters in some names are represented as '?' 
when I receive list emails. I've tried changing my options to display 
international characters, but it's not working.


Anyone have hints how I might do this?

Or is the list server somehow stripping them out?

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Re: test

2011-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling

No we're all just talking behind your back.

On 7/22/2011 4:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:

Is the list broken, or just run out of things to say?  The last
messageinto the archive was 3 hours ago, that's unusually quiet.

regards, Anthony

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: Tim ?sleby

I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
So please chime in folks.



I'm glad to hear you're OK.

I'm sorry for what's happening there to make that a concern. I hope it 
will not get any worse.


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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
LOL. Our back yard squirrels have been doing that as well

dave

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!

 :)
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Re: GESO: Liberdade

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
Enjoyed those

Dave

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 It's the Japanese part of São Paulo:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/07/21/Liberdade-Market

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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a while... I
 was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after this.  It cleared
 quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I would have gotten a
 nice shot of from our roof. :-(

 With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600

 For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
 is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
 again soon.

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large

That is a nice storm shot


 an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
 with the darkside camera

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large

Nice, did you send it to Mike

Dave

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Re: PESO = lilies and lawn

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice.

Dave

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Paul Stenquist
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 ..at twilight on a 100 degree day.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13819672size=lg

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Re: PESO 2011 - 112 - GDG

2011-07-22 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. The people are well placed and i like the big mural

Dave

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 Another new one in the Communicating series:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5962836202/in/photostream/lightbox/
 or
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5962836202/


 It's a three exposure, panorama composite.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Jack Davis
Good news, John! A caring lister. :)

Jack

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 From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 Subject: Re: I'm ok
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 10:06 AM
 From: Tim ?sleby
  I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let
 you know that I'm ok.
  Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
  So please chime in folks.
  
 
 I'm glad to hear you're OK.
 
 I'm sorry for what's happening there to make that a
 concern. I hope it will not get any worse.
 
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FS: CLA'd by Eric, Black Spotmatic and 50mm f1.4 Super Takumar,

2011-07-22 Thread Darren Addy
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/152752-sale-selling-together-separately-super-takumar-50mm-f1-4-cleaned-lubricated-adjustedd-blk-spotmatic.html

Also, a nice Takumar case for a 28mm f3.5 (earliest model won't fit,
but believe the rest will).
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/152744-sale-case-only-takumar-3-5-28-nice-one.html

PDMLers can contact me directly (or through the PF marketplace, if you prefer).

Darren Addy
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Darren Addy
We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now, couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...

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PESO - Hot Tub

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Come and see the new hot tub on the patio, said Gracie. A droid2 phone pic.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13826172

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
 otherwise, don't we?
 I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now, couldn't 
 it?
 Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?

LOL ... Yes indeed. It's good to allow some rationality back into
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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-21 14:04 , Christine Nielsen wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!


that's fun; i've seen them do rapid breathing, sort of panting with their 
mouths closed; maybe they use their nasal cavity for evaporative cooling


here in Denver all we've had to cope with is abnormally heavy monsoons along 
with normal temps for July (in the 90s); that means it's much more humid than 
we're used to; normally here we do not sense that we sweat





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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-22 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote:

I've noticed that some characters in some names are represented as '?' when I
receive list emails. I've tried changing my options to display international
characters, but it's not working.

Anyone have hints how I might do this?


the answer depends on your email client (or browser, for webmail), your OS and 
what fonts you have installed ...




Or is the list server somehow stripping them out?


the listserv is handling the emails correctly -- passing along the encoding of 
the original email, which varies according to the sender; without specifics, 
it's hard to know specifically what's bollixing for your, but a quick sample 
shows the following encodings in emails on this list:


us-ascii -- (the majority) used in your email and surprisingly used by most of 
the non-US members; this encoding lacks any accented characters or 
non-typewriter punctuation (such as curly quotes)


utf-8 -- used in my email and a few others, huge character set

iso-8859-1 -- ASCII variant with a lot of Latin accented characters

windows-1252 -- superset of iso-8859-1 with more Latin accented characters

if an email is sent with the proper encoding, and your system properly 
interprets that encoding and uses fonts with glyphs that cover all the 
characters used in the email, then you should never see the '?' indications; 
otoh, an email may be sent in an encoding which doesn't cover some characters 
in the email, yet some systems may be smart enough to still display the 
intended glyphs; for example the modern recommendation when receiving 
iso-8859-1 is to assume it is windows-1252



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Larry,
Something like djeluhzun?

Really nice try!

dje
la (as in Lars or the musical note La)
zhun

might be even closer.

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2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
 appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
 as below:

 Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
 lent : as in land ending with a t.

 My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
 persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)

 Something like djeluhzun?

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Toralf Lund

Darren Addy wrote:

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now, couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?
  

:-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...
  

Well, I don't mind...

I completely agree that people, not to mention media, are far too quick 
to talk about terrorism when something like this happens. Last time 
there was a bomb explosion in Oslo I believe a rather young guy working 
on his own turned out to be behind it. (Yes it's happened before - on a 
smaller scale, but I think someone got killed. This was many years ago, 
though...)


I wasn't in Oslo today, either, by the way...

- Toralf

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

  



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:45:47PM -0600, steve harley wrote:
 
 a quick sample shows the following encodings in emails on this list:
 
 us-ascii -- (the majority) used in your email and surprisingly used
 by most of the non-US members; this encoding lacks any accented
 characters or non-typewriter punctuation (such as curly quotes)

In my experience, several email clients will claim to be using
a simple encoding such as us-ascii, but will still happily include
native characters that have no meaning in that character set.

The worst offenders tend to be Windows software that is actually
using the Windows character set while claiming to use us-ascii,
but I've seen other examples (one recent example being character
streams that claimed to be UTF-8, but which actually contained
high-character sequences that were invalid UTF-8; these, too,
were really Windows character encodings).


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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
 Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
 So please chime in folks.

Thanks for the update.  I just heard about it a few minutes before.  I know 
that the chances of anyone in the list being involved is like 1:10,000  (five 
million in Norway, 500 people involved) but we all tend to worry anyways.


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Re: PESO Natalie

2011-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Natalie was roped-in by her younger sister Iryna to assist with reflectors
 and such while we did Iryna's portrait, but we couldn't resist shooting
 Natalie too ...

 Flickr Fancy: http://goo.gl/U9pWl
 Flickr plain: http://goo.gl/0obNL

 K20D, DA* 50-135 @ 135mm, f/2.8, 1/250th, ISO 200.
 40 white reflector camera-rt.  Lightroom PP.

Wow.  She's beautiful and you did a great job of capturing that!

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Larry,
 Something like djeluhzun?
 
 Really nice try!

I used to date a girl whose last name was Sercan, so I guessed based on her 
name. I suppose I could have cheated and asked my friend Zeycan or Pinar how to 
pronounce it.


 
 dje
 la (as in Lars or the musical note La)
 zhun
 
 might be even closer.

Thanks.

 
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 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
 
 Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
 appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
 as below:
 
 Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
 lent : as in land ending with a t.
 
 My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
 persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)
 
 Something like djeluhzun?
 
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Re: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
 personality is pleasing.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13816532

Hee hee!

That's a new type of Afro:  The Flow-fro.

;-)

Fun shot, Paul - well seen and well captured.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Well CNN says the shooting at the youth camp about 30 minutes away was 
possibly connected to the one in the central city...


While what you say is true, (re media can often be too quick) what's the 
definition of terrorism?  How can this be anything else no matter 
what/who the source.


ann


On 7/22/2011 14:50, Toralf Lund wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now,
couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?

:-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...

Well, I don't mind...

I completely agree that people, not to mention media, are far too quick
to talk about terrorism when something like this happens. Last time
there was a bomb explosion in Oslo I believe a rather young guy working
on his own turned out to be behind it. (Yes it's happened before - on a
smaller scale, but I think someone got killed. This was many years ago,
though...)

I wasn't in Oslo today, either, by the way...

- Toralf

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska






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Re: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
 personality is pleasing.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13816532

That is a really fun shot.

And a nice photograph too.


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Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread AlunFoto
Hi folks,
I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
html coding nok matter what i try.

Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

I would also appreciate it if everyone could refrain from pointing at
international terrorism for a couple of days at least. Nothing points
in that direction at the moment. He may not be aware of the second
incident here today. A shooting desperado with a machine gun and
dressed as a policeman went bananas in a youth camp on a small island.
Police strongly suspects the two incidents are connected. The
desperado, however, is 190 cm tall, of athletic build and with light
blonde hair and nordic appearance. Not your typical islamic extremist,
nor any self-exploding apparition from outer space as Darren seems to
imagine.

We will know more in a couple of hours, or maybe in a couple of days.
The desperado has been detained alive.

Thanks all of you, for your concern for us up here in the Frostpit.

Best,
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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Sure, all you bottom hemisphere guys have to rub it in.

Out here in sunny California, it's 62F at the moment, but supposed to get up to 
77F this afternoon, once the clouds burn off.
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=95018


This is the second year in a row that we didn't get much of a summer, while the 
folks back east got scorched:

 
 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:51 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream
 
 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!
 
 Glad I'm not affected.  Today's high was a balmy 7C.  We might get snow in 
 the next couple of days.  Our winter has been very mild so far but it sounds 
 like our first real storm of the season is on its way.
 
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99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
... I'm in the basement editing my Ireland photos.
 
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: Darren Addy

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now, couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...




There is no doubt a bomb was deliberately detonated in the area of Oslo 
where the Prime Minister's offices are located. Nor is there any 
question a gunman opened fire on a youth camp sponsored by the Prime 
Minister's political party.


Those are both prima facie terrorist acts. No assumption necessary.

I think you may mean we automatically assume the terrorist is 
motivated by Islamic fundamentalism.


As yet, the authorities in Norway are being careful not to accuse any 
specific ideology, although they have announced two suspects are in 
custody. I have just now seen a report that a group identifying itself 
as Helpers of Global Jihad has claimed responsibility. How truly 
representative of Islam they are is open to question.


My real concern is the inevitable loss of freedom Norwegians will suffer 
as a result of the increased security this necessitates. For that, I do 
blame the terrorist.


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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Good to hear...

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2011/7/22 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 Hi folks,
 I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
 device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
 html coding nok matter what i try.

 Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

 I would also appreciate it if everyone could refrain from pointing at
 international terrorism for a couple of days at least. Nothing points
 in that direction at the moment. He may not be aware of the second
 incident here today. A shooting desperado with a machine gun and
 dressed as a policeman went bananas in a youth camp on a small island.
 Police strongly suspects the two incidents are connected. The
 desperado, however, is 190 cm tall, of athletic build and with light
 blonde hair and nordic appearance. Not your typical islamic extremist,
 nor any self-exploding apparition from outer space as Darren seems to
 imagine.

 We will know more in a couple of hours, or maybe in a couple of days.
 The desperado has been detained alive.

 Thanks all of you, for your concern for us up here in the Frostpit.

 Best,
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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm glad you're all right.  This is almost a relief, I thought Tim had 
sunk Norway.


On 7/22/2011 3:12 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

Hi folks,
I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
html coding nok matter what i try.

Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

I would also appreciate it if everyone could refrain from pointing at
international terrorism for a couple of days at least. Nothing points
in that direction at the moment. He may not be aware of the second
incident here today. A shooting desperado with a machine gun and
dressed as a policeman went bananas in a youth camp on a small island.
Police strongly suspects the two incidents are connected. The
desperado, however, is 190 cm tall, of athletic build and with light
blonde hair and nordic appearance. Not your typical islamic extremist,
nor any self-exploding apparition from outer space as Darren seems to
imagine.

We will know more in a couple of hours, or maybe in a couple of days.
The desperado has been detained alive.

Thanks all of you, for your concern for us up here in the Frostpit.

Best,
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: steve harley

On 2011-07-22 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote:

 I've noticed that some characters in some names are represented as '?' when I
 receive list emails. I've tried changing my options to display international
 characters, but it's not working.

 Anyone have hints how I might do this?

the answer depends on your email client (or browser, for webmail), your OS and
what fonts you have installed ...




Email client is Mozilla Thunderbird 3.1.11 on Windoze XP.

I'm guessing what fonts you have installed means whether or not the 
fonts on my system include the extended characters I'm not seeing. 
Looking at my fonts using Windows Character Map, the characters are there.



 Or is the list server somehow stripping them out?

the listserv is handling the emails correctly -- passing along the encoding of
the original email, which varies according to the sender; without specifics,
it's hard to know specifically what's bollixing for your, but a quick sample
shows the following encodings in emails on this list:

us-ascii -- (the majority) used in your email and surprisingly used by most of
the non-US members; this encoding lacks any accented characters or
non-typewriter punctuation (such as curly quotes)

utf-8 -- used in my email and a few others, huge character set

iso-8859-1 -- ASCII variant with a lot of Latin accented characters

windows-1252 -- superset of iso-8859-1 with more Latin accented characters

if an email is sent with the proper encoding, and your system properly
interprets that encoding and uses fonts with glyphs that cover all the
characters used in the email, then you should never see the '?' indications;
otoh, an email may be sent in an encoding which doesn't cover some characters
in the email, yet some systems may be smart enough to still display the
intended glyphs; for example the modern recommendation when receiving
iso-8859-1 is to assume it is windows-1252




ToolsOptionsDisplay: Default font is Arial

Advanced options: Fonts for: Western
Proportional: Sans Serif
Serif: Times New Roman
Sans-serif: Arial
Monospace: Courier New

Font Control: Allow messages to use other fonts  Use fixed width font 
for plain text messages both checked.


Character Encodings:
Outgoing Mail: Western (ISO-8859-1)
Incoming Mail: Unicode (UTF-16)

I already tried UTF-8, but I still get the '?' in place of European 
characters, so I thought I'd try UTF-16 to get the larger character set. 
It's still giving me the '?'.


I'll switch incoming mail to Windows-1252 and see if that will work.

What I'm NOT seeing are characters like the slashed capital 'O' in 
Scandinavian names  whatever character was in the middle of the 
discussion of variants of McAllister that came out M??r.


None of this is any world shaking problem, but I would like to fix it. 
It's actually the little things that irritate me the most.


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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread DagT
Den 22. juli 2011 kl. 21.12 skrev AlunFoto:

 Hi folks,
 I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
 device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
 html coding nok matter what i try.
 
 Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

Me too. We are at a safe distance from Oslo (in the mountains on Mallorca) and 
got the news through SMS a few minutes after it happened. 

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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:12 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

 Hi folks,
 I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
 device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
 html coding nok matter what i try.

Something that I also find very frustrating.  I wonder how hard it would be to 
port mutt to the android?

Or implement a filter that just strips any html coding from email to PDML 
rather than just rejecting it.

 
 Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
So,
you probably already know that the below -rather meaningless- question
is a single word in Turkish :

Have you been among the ones that we had failed to turn into Macedonians?
(In the good old times, the country part was read as
Czechoslovakians to make the sentence look even longer).

Please pass my best wishes to Zeycan and Pinar :)

Bulent

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2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Larry,
 Something like djeluhzun?

 Really nice try!

 I used to date a girl whose last name was Sercan, so I guessed based on her 
 name. I suppose I could have cheated and asked my friend Zeycan or Pinar how 
 to pronounce it.



 dje
 la (as in Lars or the musical note La)
 zhun

 might be even closer.

 Thanks.


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 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
 appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
 as below:

 Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
 lent : as in land ending with a t.

 My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
 persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)

 Something like djeluhzun?

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 So,
 you probably already know that the below -rather meaningless- question
 is a single word in Turkish :
 
 Have you been among the ones that we had failed to turn into Macedonians?

No I didn't know that.  And just for fun, what is that word?


 (In the good old times, the country part was read as
 Czechoslovakians to make the sentence look even longer).
 
 Please pass my best wishes to Zeycan and Pinar :)
 
 Bulent
 
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 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 
 On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
 
 Larry,
 Something like djeluhzun?
 
 Really nice try!
 
 I used to date a girl whose last name was Sercan, so I guessed based on her 
 name. I suppose I could have cheated and asked my friend Zeycan or Pinar how 
 to pronounce it.
 
 
 
 dje
 la (as in Lars or the musical note La)
 zhun
 
 might be even closer.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 Bulent
 -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
 http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun
 
 
 
 
 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
 
 Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
 appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
 as below:
 
 Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
 lent : as in land ending with a t.
 
 My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
 persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)
 
 Something like djeluhzun?
 
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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
with a Guinness.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 03:43:38PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: Darren Addy
 
 I think you may mean we automatically assume the terrorist is
 motivated by Islamic fundamentalism.


Well, unfortunately, that (assumption) is often the case.

Remember Oklahoma City?  As soon as the blast went off, the media
were all too quick to proclaim al Quaeda was behind the attack.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Bulent Celasun
Cekoslovakyalilastiramadiklarimizdanmiydiniz?

(Or, Makedonyalilastiramadiklarimizdanmiydiniz?).

:)

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2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 So,
 you probably already know that the below -rather meaningless- question
 is a single word in Turkish :

 Have you been among the ones that we had failed to turn into Macedonians?

 No I didn't know that.  And just for fun, what is that word?


 (In the good old times, the country part was read as
 Czechoslovakians to make the sentence look even longer).

 Please pass my best wishes to Zeycan and Pinar :)

 Bulent

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 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Larry,
 Something like djeluhzun?

 Really nice try!

 I used to date a girl whose last name was Sercan, so I guessed based on her 
 name. I suppose I could have cheated and asked my friend Zeycan or Pinar 
 how to pronounce it.



 dje
 la (as in Lars or the musical note La)
 zhun

 might be even closer.

 Thanks.


 Bulent
 -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
 http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun




 2011/7/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
 appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
 as below:

 Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
 lent : as in land ending with a t.

 My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
 persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)

 Something like djeluhzun?

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tim,
Glad to hear you are OK and Jostein too (Thanks Cotty).
My condolences to both of you.
What a terrible thing to have happen.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 I know the list cares. so just a quick message to let you know that I'm ok.
 Can't speak for the rest og the norwegians...
 So please chime in folks.

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
A terrorist flying another flag, but still a wacko.  Bob S.

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 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 03:43:38PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: Darren Addy

 I think you may mean we automatically assume the terrorist is
 motivated by Islamic fundamentalism.


 Well, unfortunately, that (assumption) is often the case.

 Remember Oklahoma City?  As soon as the blast went off, the media
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Re: PESO - Hot Tub

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Looks like a bucket load of trouble to me!
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread Christine Aguila
So glad all our Norway friends  their friends and families are ok.  Sad day.  
The youth camp story is particularly hard to learn of.  Sad times.  Christine 



On Jul 22, 2011, at 3:26 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

 Den 22. juli 2011 kl. 21.12 skrev AlunFoto:
 
 Hi folks,
 I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
 device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
 html coding nok matter what i try.
 
 Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.
 
 Me too. We are at a safe distance from Oslo (in the mountains on Mallorca) 
 and got the news through SMS a few minutes after it happened. 
 
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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Steven Desjardins wrote:

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 ... I'm in the basement editing my Ireland photos.

with a Guinness.

Nope. Storm King stout by Victory Brew Works (from Rick Womer's neck
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Toralf Lund

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Well CNN says the shooting at the youth camp about 30 minutes away was 
possibly connected to the one in the central city...


While what you say is true, (re media can often be too quick) what's 
the definition of terrorism?  How can this be anything else no matter 
what/who the source.
True, it's a question of definitions. It's definitely terrorism in one 
sense, but not necessarily associated with a terrorist organization 
(which is what the media often seem to imply), or even intended to cause 
fear as a way of reaching a certain political goal (which some would say 
must be a part of such a terrible act for it to become terrorism.)


- Toralf



ann


On 7/22/2011 14:50, Toralf Lund wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now,
couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?

:-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...

Well, I don't mind...

I completely agree that people, not to mention media, are far too quick
to talk about terrorism when something like this happens. Last time
there was a bomb explosion in Oslo I believe a rather young guy working
on his own turned out to be behind it. (Yes it's happened before - on a
smaller scale, but I think someone got killed. This was many years ago,
though...)

I wasn't in Oslo today, either, by the way...

- Toralf

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote:

Steven Desjardins wrote:

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 ... I'm in the basement editing my Ireland photos.

with a Guinness.

Nope. Storm King stout by Victory Brew Works (from Rick Womer's neck
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And we've topped 100 degrees Farenheit.
 
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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread Christine Aguila
Love it,  Christine!  Great fun!  Cheers, Christine/Chicago



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 On 2011-07-21 14:04 , Christine Nielsen wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream
 
 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!
 
 that's fun; i've seen them do rapid breathing, sort of panting with their 
 mouths closed; maybe they use their nasal cavity for evaporative cooling
 
 here in Denver all we've had to cope with is abnormally heavy monsoons along 
 with normal temps for July (in the 90s); that means it's much more humid than 
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Toralf Lund

John Sessoms wrote:

From: Darren Addy

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now, 
couldn't it?

Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...




There is no doubt a bomb was deliberately detonated in the area of 
Oslo where the Prime Minister's offices are located. Nor is there any 
question a gunman opened fire on a youth camp sponsored by the Prime 
Minister's political party.


Those are both prima facie terrorist acts. No assumption necessary.

I think you may mean we automatically assume the terrorist is 
motivated by Islamic fundamentalism.
Like I said elsewhere, I think according to some definitions, political 
goals must be involved for the acts to be defined as terrorism, i.e. 
if someone did it just because they were raving mad, it's not strictly 
speaking terrorism, even though that acts are the same, and just as 
terrible (and terrifying) in their own right... But I suppose there 
isn't really one definition of terrorism that everyone agrees on.


Incidentally, the explosion immediately reminded me of the one in the 
City of London in 1993 - a time when what many people assumed was that a 
terrorist had to be Irish...


As yet, the authorities in Norway are being careful not to accuse any 
specific ideology, although they have announced two suspects are in 
custody. I have just now seen a report that a group identifying itself 
as Helpers of Global Jihad has claimed responsibility. How truly 
representative of Islam they are is open to question.
It's also not unheard of that extremist organisations have claimed 
responsibility for acts they had absolutely nothing to do with, I believe...


My real concern is the inevitable loss of freedom Norwegians will 
suffer as a result of the increased security this necessitates. For 
that, I do blame the terrorist.
Let's hope there won't be too many freedoms lost, or terrorist have 
already won, haven't they?


- Toralf


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-22 14:10 , John Sessoms wrote:

From: steve harley

On 2011-07-22 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote:

 I've noticed that some characters in some names are represented as '?' when I
 receive list emails. I've tried changing my options to display international
 characters, but it's not working.

 Anyone have hints how I might do this?

the answer depends on your email client (or browser, for webmail), your OS and
what fonts you have installed ...




Email client is Mozilla Thunderbird 3.1.11 on Windoze XP.


i use the same Tbird on Mac OS X 10.5.8



ToolsOptionsDisplay: Default font is Arial

Advanced options: Fonts for: Western
Proportional: Sans Serif
Serif: Times New Roman
Sans-serif: Arial
Monospace: Courier New


mine:
 Proportional: Sans Serif
 Serif: Myriad Pro
 Sans-serif: Bitstream Vera Sans
 Monospace: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono

on Mac OS X if a font doesn't contain a glyph, the system searches your other 
fonts for the glyph; i thought Windows had something similar, but i'm not sure 
if it is so in XP




Font Control: Allow messages to use other fonts  Use fixed width font for
plain text messages both checked.


same here


Character Encodings:
Outgoing Mail: Western (ISO-8859-1)
Incoming Mail: Unicode (UTF-16)

I already tried UTF-8, but I still get the '?' in place of European characters,
so I thought I'd try UTF-16 to get the larger character set. It's still giving
me the '?'.


i thought i had set outgoing to utf-8 but i now see ISO-8859-1 -- maybe a crash 
or update changed my setting; i have ignored the incoming setting, thinking it 
to only apply when no encoding is specified (and in such cases UTF-16 is 
unlikely to work well)


also note the menu: View  Character Encoding, particularly whether Auto-detect 
is on; i believe you can change these on the fly while viewing a message




What I'm NOT seeing are characters like the slashed capital 'O' in Scandinavian
names


i do see the correct character in Tim's emails in his From header; but header 
encoding is handled differently from the message body -- in this case the 
literal text of the From header contains an escape indicating it is UTF-8 
encoded, even though his message body is encoded as us-ascii




 whatever character was in the middle of the discussion of variants of
McAllister that came out M??r.


that latter was a pair of Unicode characters, a superscript c merged with 
almost equals, but glyphs for these characters are missing from many fonts, 
and it implies a system that can handle Unicode combining characters; i have no 
idea if that works on XP




None of this is any world shaking problem, but I would like to fix it. It's
actually the little things that irritate me the most.


i suspect it's down to the font choice in Tbird and/or XP

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-22 13:43 , John Sessoms wrote:

My real concern is the inevitable loss of freedom Norwegians will suffer as a
result of the increased security this necessitates.


yes, that was my second thought -- after shock and sadness -- the anti-terror 
apparatus may now inflict its own slow pain on Norway


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/7/11, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

Sometimes they call at ungodly hours and say Ni to you.


This is true and not easily forgotten!

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Political correctness makes it impossible to be precise.  Terrorism is a 
tactic. It makes no sense to wage war on a tactic.  Doing so makes us 
forget than while there are a number of different groups and individuals 
that are willing to use that tactic to try to achieve their ends.  The 
current suspect may in fact be a Nordic male, with an extremist group 
from either the far right or the far left, or a disgruntled tax payer,  
maybe even a real anarchist, a group that is entirely off the scale, 
(modern anarchists are much to organized to merit the name).


Anyway I'm expecting that whatever the motivation for this little act of 
barbarism, it's probably not what the major news organizations are 
pushing right now, and when truth is known they will not acknowledge the 
fact and keep pushing their current tripe, or change to the new 
information never acknowledging that their speculations were wrong.


Right now I'm just glad that the people I know in Norway are alright.  
I've always seen Norwegians as being pretty good people, going about 
their business in the best traditions of Western Civilization, trying to 
the the right thing.  They don't deserve this, but then so few really do.



On 7/22/2011 5:00 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Well CNN says the shooting at the youth camp about 30 minutes away 
was possibly connected to the one in the central city...


While what you say is true, (re media can often be too quick) what's 
the definition of terrorism?  How can this be anything else no matter 
what/who the source.
True, it's a question of definitions. It's definitely terrorism in one 
sense, but not necessarily associated with a terrorist organization 
(which is what the media often seem to imply), or even intended to 
cause fear as a way of reaching a certain political goal (which some 
would say must be a part of such a terrible act for it to become 
terrorism.)


- Toralf



ann


On 7/22/2011 14:50, Toralf Lund wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now,
couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?

:-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...

Well, I don't mind...

I completely agree that people, not to mention media, are far too quick
to talk about terrorism when something like this happens. Last time
there was a bomb explosion in Oslo I believe a rather young guy working
on his own turned out to be behind it. (Yes it's happened before - on a
smaller scale, but I think someone got killed. This was many years ago,
though...)

I wasn't in Oslo today, either, by the way...

- Toralf

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Christine Nielsen
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:


 And we've topped 100 degrees Farenheit.



Downright nasty,  isn't it?  Even my basement is too hot to hang out
in.  And we lost power for 90 minutes or so... Hang in there, I hear
Sunday is supposed to be better.

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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Christine Aguila
That's nice--and wet!  Had a big storm this morning  last night.  It has 
cooled things off a little.  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a while... I 
 was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after this.  It cleared 
 quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I would have gotten a 
 nice shot of from our roof. :-(
 
 With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600
 
 For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
 is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
 again soon.
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large
 
 an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
 with the darkside camera
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large
 
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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread Toralf Lund

AlunFoto wrote:

[ ... ]
international terrorism for a couple of days at least. Nothing points
in that direction at the moment. He may not be aware of the second
incident here today. A shooting desperado with a machine gun and
dressed as a policeman went bananas in a youth camp on a small island.
Police strongly suspects the two incidents are connected. The
desperado, however, is 190 cm tall, of athletic build and with light
blonde hair and nordic appearance.
The latest update now is that witnesses believe they have seen the same 
guy, or at least a Scandinavian-looking person dressed in a Police 
uniform, in the area of the explosion earlier today. This may always be 
a case of false memory, I suppose, but the police seem to think that 
these people are credible.


- T


 Not your typical islamic extremist,
nor any self-exploding apparition from outer space as Darren seems to
imagine.

We will know more in a couple of hours, or maybe in a couple of days.
The desperado has been detained alive.

Thanks all of you, for your concern for us up here in the Frostpit.

Best,
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread John Sessoms

From: John Francis

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 03:43:38PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Darren Addy

 I think you may mean we automatically assume the terrorist is
 motivated by Islamic fundamentalism.


Well, unfortunately, that (assumption) is often the case.

Remember Oklahoma City?  As soon as the blast went off, the media
were all too quick to proclaim al Quaeda was behind the attack.

I doubt that Timothy McVeigh would have agreed with that.


Indeed, Oklahoma City is exactly what I had in mind.

McVeigh was apparently quite willing to have Islam blamed for Oklahoma 
City. That seems to have been part of his plan for getting away with it.


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Re: Peso - sudden rain

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele

guess you got you computer back :-)

thanks..
ann

On 7/22/2011 17:56, Christine Aguila wrote:

That's nice--and wet!  Had a big storm this morning  last night.  It has 
cooled things off a little.  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com  wrote:


This was July 6th... another hot day - but this broke it up for a while... I 
was too tired and too busy with stuff to go outside after this.  It cleared 
quickly and I found out later there _was_ a rainbow I would have gotten a nice 
shot of from our roof. :-(

With the 18-55 kit lens on the istD. ISO 1600

For all of us who are sweltering (it is 97 degrees F outside now and it
is an hour before midnight!  )  I wish I will see stuff like this photo
again soon.

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1394942277_pNK257Z/Large

an older photo of ashley in this spot.. her window-bed
with the darkside camera

http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/2526444_XRhmm/1/605204756_NNdqW/Large

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/22/2011 17:00, Toralf Lund wrote:

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Well CNN says the shooting at the youth camp about 30 minutes away was
possibly connected to the one in the central city...

While what you say is true, (re media can often be too quick) what's
the definition of terrorism? How can this be anything else no matter
what/who the source.

True, it's a question of definitions. It's definitely terrorism in one
sense, but not necessarily associated with a terrorist organization
(which is what the media often seem to imply), or even intended to cause
fear as a way of reaching a certain political goal (which some would say
must be a part of such a terrible act for it to become terrorism.)

- Toralf

OK - I was just thinking of it as general terror, but one does tend to 
think of it as being perpetrated by someone with an agenda -

That could be true of an individual as well as a group  No matter
who the perp is or perps are or who they are in the political spectrum,
it does seem that terrorism describes the bombing at least.

ann






ann


On 7/22/2011 14:50, Toralf Lund wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:

We tend to assume terrorist immediately these days, until proven
otherwise, don't we?
I mean... it could have been a small meteorite/asteroid impact now,
couldn't it?
Or maybe Mr. Creosote just had a bit too much for lunch again?

:-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkOv0-u6A0

Apologies in advance...

Well, I don't mind...

I completely agree that people, not to mention media, are far too quick
to talk about terrorism when something like this happens. Last time
there was a bomb explosion in Oslo I believe a rather young guy working
on his own turned out to be behind it. (Yes it's happened before - on a
smaller scale, but I think someone got killed. This was many years ago,
though...)

I wasn't in Oslo today, either, by the way...

- Toralf

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele

103 degrees F here :-(
and 82 in my apartment even though the Ac is chruning away _ I havent 
gone out at all


ann


On 7/22/2011 17:01, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:


Steven Desjardins wrote:


On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com  wrote:

... I'm in the basement editing my Ireland photos.


with a Guinness.


Nope. Storm King stout by Victory Brew Works (from Rick Womer's neck
of the woods).


And we've topped 100 degrees Farenheit.



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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-22 16:31 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

103 degrees F here :-(
and 82 in my apartment even though the Ac is chruning away _ I havent gone out
at all


(not to gloat, but) it hit 98 here in Denver, yet the monsoon has lifted for a 
couple of days and with only 13% relative humidity the heat index is a negative 
adjustment and it's no sweat for my small swamp cooler to keep the house in the 
mid-70s


there's a huge music festival (350 artists) down the block all weekend so we'll 
be out in the heat, drinking lots of water plus some beer; last year i tried to 
photograph mostly bicycles but wasn't thrilled with my results, not sure what 
i'll focus on this time


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RE: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Perhaps this year focus on water bottles, containers with water, plastic
bottles with water and the like...

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On 2011-07-22 16:31 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 103 degrees F here :-(
 and 82 in my apartment even though the Ac is chruning away _ I havent 
 gone out at all

(not to gloat, but) it hit 98 here in Denver, yet the monsoon has lifted for
a couple of days and with only 13% relative humidity the heat index is a
negative adjustment and it's no sweat for my small swamp cooler to keep the
house in the mid-70s

there's a huge music festival (350 artists) down the block all weekend so
we'll be out in the heat, drinking lots of water plus some beer; last year i
tried to photograph mostly bicycles but wasn't thrilled with my results, not
sure what i'll focus on this time

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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
Don't have to go that far south to get good weather. In Everett WA, we were 
supposed to fly up to 73°F today, but it barely got to 67°F. Maybe tomorrow. 

They said on the evening news wednesday that Everett is the only large city in 
the US that has yet to see 75°F this year.

They keep promising — Saturday we should see sunny skies and highs in the mid 
to upper 70s to around 80! Sunday will start mostly sunny but we will see some 
high clouds drifting in during the afternoon signaling a change in the weather. 
Sunday's highs should be in the 70s and low 80s!

I'm not holding my breath for it.

On Jul 22, 2011, at 05:26 , Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Sure, all you bottom hemisphere guys have to rub it in.
 
 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:51 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream
 
 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!
 
 Glad I'm not affected.  Today's high was a balmy 7C.  We might get snow in 
 the next couple of days.  Our winter has been very mild so far but it sounds 
 like our first real storm of the season is on its way.
 
 Dave

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Re: PESO - Hot Tub

2011-07-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
Looks like the beginnings of a lucrative pinup modeling career. Sign her up!


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 Come and see the new hot tub on the patio, said Gracie. A droid2 phone pic.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13826172

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread William Robb

17ºC at the moment.

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Mean Wheatfield!

boo hoo

ann

On 7/22/2011 21:55, William Robb wrote:

17ºC at the moment.

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Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-22 Thread Joseph McAllister
I recall under similar circumstances a retreat to the basement in our home in 
Wellesley in the 50s, where we were met with damp chill air, but for that 
relief you had to put up with air that rusted a chisel in just a few days. And 
of course the drip drip drip of the condensation off the cast iron water pipes 
running over head. 

None the less, that's where mother sat in a lounge chair until it was time to 
cook dinner. Father had to have his dinner ready at 6 pm every night. I would 
set the step-ladder up underneath the hatch to the attic. Pushed the hatch up 
and out of the way, and pulled the eye-hook routed string hanging down through 
the open hatch to suck the remainder of that cool air from the basement into 
the rest of the house through the cracks in the cellar doors.

The air handler was a belt driven 48 industrial fan set in a crude homemade 
wind tunnel, sealed to prevent air from being sucked in from outdoors, blowing 
out the attic window at the front of the two story house. The fan was driven by 
a 2 HP electric motor that made the belt squeal for 10 seconds when turned on. 
Eventually the solid wood hatch was replaced in the summer with a screen frame 
with a slot for the string. Saved time, and allowed mother to turn the fan on 
any time she pleased. The wood hatch was insulated by glueing styrofoam blocks 
on to the upper side for the winters.

By bedtime you could open the windows downstairs and in the upstairs bedrooms. 
Frugal father would creep out of bed and turn the fan off after he thought we 
were all asleep. Hah! Too damn hot to sleep! Either I or mother would creep out 
a few minutes later to turn that fan back on. We explained to father when he 
complained, that it took more electricity for us to turn the fan back on than 
if he had left it on in the first place, so leave it on!

My brain seems to roll back through those memories more often these days.

Thanks for the memories Mark!

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Re: Oslo blast

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jostein and Tim,
I'm sad to hear the death toll in your incidents is at least 87,
7 from the bombing and another 80 teenagers on the island.
What a sick wacko it takes to do this.
You have my condolences.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:12 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks,
 I've tried a couple of times to post a chirp to the list, but my only
 device is an android phone, and I suspect it smears my mails full of
 html coding nok matter what i try.

 Just to let you know, my family and I are all ok.

 I would also appreciate it if everyone could refrain from pointing at
 international terrorism for a couple of days at least. Nothing points
 in that direction at the moment. He may not be aware of the second
 incident here today. A shooting desperado with a machine gun and
 dressed as a policeman went bananas in a youth camp on a small island.
 Police strongly suspects the two incidents are connected. The
 desperado, however, is 190 cm tall, of athletic build and with light
 blonde hair and nordic appearance. Not your typical islamic extremist,
 nor any self-exploding apparition from outer space as Darren seems to
 imagine.

 We will know more in a couple of hours, or maybe in a couple of days.
 The desperado has been detained alive.

 Thanks all of you, for your concern for us up here in the Frostpit.

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Re: K5 quieter than a Leica

2011-07-22 Thread Tim Bray
How does the M6 sound when you advance the film?  -T

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 At lest according to this guy's testing:
 http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103766

 Someone at the camera shop happened to be there with a K5 when I was
 there with the Olympus E-1 and they had an M6 and an M8 on display. So
 I got to hear all three next to one another.

 Jury's out on absolute volume ... My ear is not a decibel meter! ...
 but all four are very quiet and have a very nice quality sound too. I
 think the M6 with film in it is subjectively a hair quieter than the
 other three, as someone mentioned in the thread you pointed to, but
 all of them are quiet enough that most people will hardly notice in
 any normal room's ambient noise. The M8 (vertical travel metal
 shutter) has a slightly more metallic click than the M6 (horizontal
 travel rubberized cloth shutter). The E-1 and K5 both have a vertical
 travel metal shutter and both have a very restrained click, the E-1
 seems just slightly softer on the mirror return noise.

 But they're all very quiet cameras, the E-1 and K5 particularly so for
 being SLRs.
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