Re: GESO - 3 with the K-5

2013-07-17 Thread Boris Liberman
Without any disrespect, Bipin. I've opened the pictures you posted on my 
24 inch profiled Dell monitor. It is set to full 1920 x 1200 pixels 
resolution and I my eyes are appox 1 m away from its surface.


What can I say - the photographs are good in terms of light, composition 
and/or processing. What I also notice is the rather soapy sharpness. We 
have this term in Russian - the lens produces soapy pictures. What it 
means that the sharpness is lacking. The lens was kind of struggling to 
get sharp edges and so it came out soapy.


I am not saying that 18-55 AL II is a bad _kit_ lens. It very well may 
compare favorably to its peers from other manufacturers. But by spending 
way below USD 300 I got me a Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5, which is sharper, has 
longer reach and is quite faster than the kit lens. In fact, in my view 
it gives me 95% of DA* 16-50/2.8 quality for truly a fraction of its 
cost. I humbly suggest you try this lens. It is known that there is 
certain sample variation with these lenses, but beside that point that 
can be overcome with proper pre-buy testing, this is excellent lens indeed.


Again - no disrespect or offense meant here.

Boris


On 7/16/2013 12:19 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

And plenty of Photographers + Reviewers said the DA 8-55 Kit lens
wasn't good. What rot, my 18-55 AL II purchased new from Buy com for $
101.99 shipped was a darned good lens with plenty of sharpness, color
and contrast.
Some photos with the Kit Lens:-
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Photos/EUROPE%20SUPREME or
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5a5e3gftc6l18wa/TdTS-xk13y
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land




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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

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- Original Message - 
From: "John Celio" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: K500/4.5



I own this exact lens, though I'm not fortunate enough to have the
original box. I can tell you it's not very good on digital. CA is
pretty bad, and it doesn't produce anything you'd call sharp results
until f11. These days I only use it for photographing birds, and even
then it's not my first choice. I'd rather use my M* 300mm f4 and crop
than this thing.

I keep thinking I should sell it, but it's kind of cool to have such a
huge lens on my shelf. It makes for a better conversation piece than
usable lens.

John



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Boris PESO #32 - Communications

2013-07-17 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

Managed to capture this little funny scene...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/07/2013-32-communications.html

The lens is my currently favorite Voigtlander Nokton 40/1.4.

B&H comments as usually are the ones I am after.

Boris

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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
If it were that awful and still worth 750 (clearly a collectors piece)
I think I'd probably just sell it and get a usable lens. Yeah, the
samples he posted aren't very encouraging at web resolution to say the
least. I wouldn't have even posted this if I noticed them right away.
I just get all gaga when I see these old monstrosities.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:02 AM, John Celio
 wrote:
> I own this exact lens, though I'm not fortunate enough to have the
> original box. I can tell you it's not very good on digital. CA is
> pretty bad, and it doesn't produce anything you'd call sharp results
> until f11. These days I only use it for photographing birds, and even
> then it's not my first choice. I'd rather use my M* 300mm f4 and crop
> than this thing.
>
> I keep thinking I should sell it, but it's kind of cool to have such a
> huge lens on my shelf. It makes for a better conversation piece than
> usable lens.
>
> John
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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread John Celio
I own this exact lens, though I'm not fortunate enough to have the
original box. I can tell you it's not very good on digital. CA is
pretty bad, and it doesn't produce anything you'd call sharp results
until f11. These days I only use it for photographing birds, and even
then it's not my first choice. I'd rather use my M* 300mm f4 and crop
than this thing.

I keep thinking I should sell it, but it's kind of cool to have such a
huge lens on my shelf. It makes for a better conversation piece than
usable lens.

John

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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
I was told by a friend that leaving the battery on for extend periods
is bad because it trickles? I don't really understand that because it
should just shut the charger off and stay off as long as the battery
registers a charge, but he claimed that. Take it with a grain of salt.
Overnight shouldn't pose much problem. Quite honestly keeping lithium
ions at full charge all the time is a bad idea as they decrease in
capacity faster that way. Same goes for completely dead. My K-7
battery that was original to the camera doesn't last nearly as long
because I think that it may have had a few extended sessions in a dead
state. YMMV of course.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:16 PM, David Parsons  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:41:11PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>> HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it
>>> is fully charged?
>>
>> yes.
>>
>>>
>>> Camera came with charged battery...
>>
>> used camera?
>
> Mine came new with a nearly fully charged battery.
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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
Oh those are quite lovely. I find that CA can be pretty fixable. At
least purple fringing. Bad cyan fringing is hard to deal with though.
I thought it was a given that pretty much any old long telephoto is
going to exhibit fringing and that stopping down generally helps. Good
to know about the A400 5.6. I may have heard that already somewhere...

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Stenquist
 wrote:
> Nice pics. But I think your concerns about CA on digital are valid. The A 
> 400/5.6 has problems.
>
> Paul via phone
>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/2013 8:43 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>> ohjust looked at the sample pictures.maybe he has a dog or
>>> can't focus. that doesn't look too hot. :/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231660-sale-super-multi-coated-pentax-500mm-f-4-5-k-mount.html

 $750. Includes the original box even! If I had some cash laying around
 this would be mine!
>> I used to have a screw mount 500 f4.5 SMC Takumar that a previous owner had 
>> modified by gluing a K-mount. It was great and inexpensive tool - the lens 
>> made colors pop so much that you could see the difference just looking 
>> through the finder. The lens had incredible resolution but bad chromatic 
>> aberration. I always wondered what it would be like on a DSLR.
>>
>> Just for laughs - here are a few shots I took with that lens and my trusty 
>> Pz-1p - all on film, of course:
>>
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b35.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b36.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b45.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b50.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b52.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b11.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b01.htm
>> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/lighthouses/pages/0204l35.htm
>>
>> It was a nice lens - the manual aperture and stop down metering presented 
>> some challenges and, as I said, I assume CA would be a major problem on a 
>> dslr. It was quite respectable on film, though.
>>
>> Mark
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller
Thanks Paul, as I've mentioned, the place has been suspiciously lacking the 
usual squirrels, chipmonks and assorted birds.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



Excellent! Good chipmunk control

Paul via phone

On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:


I love the opportunistic shot of a bird so close-up like this (I'm
envious, even) but after viewing this on two different systems I can
tell you that its color balance is significantly off to the green/cyan
side. The eyes and the legs should be YELLOW. Make that change and
I'll like it a lot better. Frankly that bothers me a lot more than any
noise.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Shame on you!  ;-)

Jack


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Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight 
head

shot!

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- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek


One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.

Jack


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Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller
...its color balance is significantly off to the green/cyan side. The eyes 
and the legs should be YELLOW.


Color wise it's right out of the camera - no adjustment was mage in that 
regard other than setting white & dark points.


Could be the efect of all the green leaves filtering the sunlight on the 
bird. If I do more with this image, I'll look into changing that.


Thanks for the input.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Addy" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



I love the opportunistic shot of a bird so close-up like this (I'm
envious, even) but after viewing this on two different systems I can
tell you that its color balance is significantly off to the green/cyan
side. The eyes and the legs should be YELLOW. Make that change and
I'll like it a lot better. Frankly that bothers me a lot more than any
noise.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Shame on you!  ;-)

Jack


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Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight 
head

shot!

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message -
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek


One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.

Jack


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Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

.>Did you shoot straight to JPEG?
Shot Raw converted to Tiff to jprg.


Pull the exposure up in post a whole bunch?

No - Adjusted exposure in camera via histogram.

>Is it a majorly serious crop?
Not really - almost full frame as captured.


You should really try Nik Dfine on stuff like this. Works quite well
at removing stubborn noise.


Thanks, I'll take a look at that.



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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



The K20 isn't _that_ bad at 800 ISO. Mine sure isn't. That noise looks
like a background of Ramen noodles. Did you shoot straight to JPEG?
Pull the exposure up in post a whole bunch? Is it a majorly serious
crop?

You should really try Nik Dfine on stuff like this. Works quite well
at removing stubborn noise.

Nonetheless, a beautiful bird, Ken.


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM,   wrote:


Thanks Bob. The grain was automatically added by using the K20D @ 800!
The background was rendered that way by using the 300 FA @ f/4.5

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



Ken,
Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:


Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

Kenneth Waller
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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread David Parsons
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:41:11PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it
>> is fully charged?
>
> yes.
>
>>
>> Camera came with charged battery...
>
> used camera?

Mine came new with a nearly fully charged battery.

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EEEWWW.

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
So, I change lenses on my K20D put the viewfinder to my eye and I see a 
big speck in the middle of the viewfinder, then I realize moving! It's a 
fly!


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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread Stan Halpin
Note that the conventional wisdom was that you shouldn't believe the Charged 
light on the charger; rather, leave the battery there for another 30-45 
minutes. I don't know if that ever made sense nor if it still applies, but I 
tend to be slow to take the charged battery off the charger.

stan

On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Thanks Larry and PJ - what I suspected but wanted to make sure.
> the charger for the 4 "AA"'s for the *istD took a reay long time
> 
> ann
> 
> On 7/17/2013 20:59, Larry Colen wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:41:11PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>> HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it
>>> is fully charged?
>> 
>> yes.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Camera came with charged battery...
>> 
>> used camera?
>> 
>>> I jsut got the spare and am charging it.
>>> 
>>> any problem if I forgot to take it off the charger and let it charge
>>> overnight?
>> 
>> Nope, it will shut itself off when done.  It's best to charge a long time
>> the first time anyways.
>> 
>>> 
>>> ann
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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice pics. But I think your concerns about CA on digital are valid. The A 
400/5.6 has problems.

Paul via phone

On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Mark C  wrote:

> On 7/17/2013 8:43 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>> ohjust looked at the sample pictures.maybe he has a dog or
>> can't focus. that doesn't look too hot. :/
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231660-sale-super-multi-coated-pentax-500mm-f-4-5-k-mount.html
>>> 
>>> $750. Includes the original box even! If I had some cash laying around
>>> this would be mine!
> I used to have a screw mount 500 f4.5 SMC Takumar that a previous owner had 
> modified by gluing a K-mount. It was great and inexpensive tool - the lens 
> made colors pop so much that you could see the difference just looking 
> through the finder. The lens had incredible resolution but bad chromatic 
> aberration. I always wondered what it would be like on a DSLR.
> 
> Just for laughs - here are a few shots I took with that lens and my trusty 
> Pz-1p - all on film, of course:
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b35.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b36.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b45.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b50.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b52.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b11.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b01.htm
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/lighthouses/pages/0204l35.htm
> 
> It was a nice lens - the manual aperture and stop down metering presented 
> some challenges and, as I said, I assume CA would be a major problem on a 
> dslr. It was quite respectable on film, though.
> 
> Mark
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Re: peso Lorneville church

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C
Nice use of the IR effect but I especially like how you "hid" the church 
behind the trees - creates a mysterious feel.


Mark

On 7/15/2013 11:36 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/9291433381/

IR version, part of my 4 seasons flolder

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C

Cool! Nice shot of the raptor.

Mark

On 7/17/2013 4:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C

On 7/17/2013 8:43 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

ohjust looked at the sample pictures.maybe he has a dog or
can't focus. that doesn't look too hot. :/

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231660-sale-super-multi-coated-pentax-500mm-f-4-5-k-mount.html

$750. Includes the original box even! If I had some cash laying around
this would be mine!
I used to have a screw mount 500 f4.5 SMC Takumar that a previous owner 
had modified by gluing a K-mount. It was great and inexpensive tool - 
the lens made colors pop so much that you could see the difference just 
looking through the finder. The lens had incredible resolution but bad 
chromatic aberration. I always wondered what it would be like on a DSLR.


Just for laughs - here are a few shots I took with that lens and my 
trusty Pz-1p - all on film, of course:


http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b35.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b36.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b45.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b50.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b52.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b11.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/birds/pages/0204b01.htm
http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/lighthouses/pages/0204l35.htm

It was a nice lens - the manual aperture and stop down metering 
presented some challenges and, as I said, I assume CA would be a major 
problem on a dslr. It was quite respectable on film, though.


Mark

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Re: GESO - 3 with the K-5

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks, Mark
Now I have to find a little bug with long eyelashes to really check out 
its capabilites :-)


ann

On 7/17/2013 21:44, Mark C wrote:

Looks liek the K-5 is suiting you fine! Nice shots all around.

Mark

On 7/15/2013 11:39 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

all from my roof

Pushing the ISO envelope
K-5 with the 18-55 kit lens.

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s


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Re: GESO: Loons, eagle, and other critters

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C
Nice collection of images! The loons and other waterfowl are great, but 
I really like the three damselflies hanging like thin blue flags on 
green reeds. Great!


Mark

On 7/16/2013 10:51 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Just added a couple more "portraits" to my gallery of shots from my ongoing 
vacation  -  had both a bald eagle and a loon come by for a sitting along with the usual 
families of ducks passing through.

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649

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Re: GESO - 3 with the K-5

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C

Looks liek the K-5 is suiting you fine! Nice shots all around.

Mark

On 7/15/2013 11:39 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

all from my roof

Pushing the ISO envelope
K-5 with the 18-55 kit lens.

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s 



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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks Larry and PJ - what I suspected but wanted to make sure.
the charger for the 4 "AA"'s for the *istD took a reay long time

ann

On 7/17/2013 20:59, Larry Colen wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:41:11PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it
is fully charged?


yes.



Camera came with charged battery...


used camera?


I jsut got the spare and am charging it.

any problem if I forgot to take it off the charger and let it charge
overnight?


Nope, it will shut itself off when done.  It's best to charge a long time
the first time anyways.



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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Yes, the white noise helps, as well...

My hat is off to photographers that can wrangle newborn twins, and keep their 
cool. I learned a few lessons the other day, hopefully I'll have another shot 
at it someday...

:)
-c


On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:48 PM, George Sinos  wrote:

A young woman I know photographs babies a lot.  She said a small
space heater is one of the important pieces of equipment.  Both to
keep the little babies warm and, as you said, to keep them sleepy.  gs
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> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
> 
> HA!
> 
> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
> 
> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
> content and quiet at the same time.
> 
> LOL.
> 
> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
> 
> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
> 
> :)
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Agreed - he is off to a confident start in life!

Thanks, Bruce.


On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Ditto what Ann says, and I think the one on the right was already
declaring a victory over you. :-)


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> All I can say is, better you than me!
> 
> Admirably coped with, Christine!
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2013 16:44, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>> 
>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>> 
>> HA!
>> 
>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>> 
>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>> content and quiet at the same time.
>> 
>> LOL.
>> 
>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>> 
>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>> 
>> :)
>> -c
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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:41:11PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it
> is fully charged?

yes.

> 
> Camera came with charged battery...

used camera?

> I jsut got the spare and am charging it.
> 
> any problem if I forgot to take it off the charger and let it charge
> overnight?

Nope, it will shut itself off when done.  It's best to charge a long time
the first time anyways.

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Re: K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
There should be no problem the battery is "smart" and communicates with 
the charger, once it's fully charged it will just turn off, well 
assuming there are no electrical faults in either battery or charger.  
Full charge from an almost empty battery should take no more than a 
couple of hours.


On 7/17/2013 8:41 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it is 
fully charged?


Camera came with charged battery...
I jsut got the spare and am charging it.

any problem if I forgot to take it off the charger and let it charge 
overnight?


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Re: K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
ohjust looked at the sample pictures.maybe he has a dog or
can't focus. that doesn't look too hot. :/

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231660-sale-super-multi-coated-pentax-500mm-f-4-5-k-mount.html
>
> $750. Includes the original box even! If I had some cash laying around
> this would be mine!

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K-5 battery charging time

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele
HOw long should it take? I presume the green light goes off when it is 
fully charged?


Camera came with charged battery...
I jsut got the spare and am charging it.

any problem if I forgot to take it off the charger and let it charge 
overnight?


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K500/4.5

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/231660-sale-super-multi-coated-pentax-500mm-f-4-5-k-mount.html

$750. Includes the original box even! If I had some cash laying around
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Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
Indeed. M42 takumars are being bought by the score too. That's been my
real problem with k-mount: the lack of affordable used wide angle
primes which are indeed in extremely short supply driving prices
through the roof. Everyone from nex owners to m4/3 shooters are buying
pentax glass because the secret is out about how quality and
relatively affordable it is. Seems like everyone knows that the M
series is pretty spectacular too. That used to be the least desirable
series with K and A winning out.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:16 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> The lack of used lenses, especially wide angle primes could point to there
> being a robust market for Pentax DSLRs.  There was a time not too long ago,
> when there were always a number of A and FA 20mm lenses moving through KEH,
> now not so much.  It's hard to find any 24mm and wider A  or later lenses,
> (or fast 35mm and 28mm A, F and FA), lenses on KEH now. They seem to be
> snapped up as soon as they arrive.  A lot of Pentax's more esoteric and well
> thought of glass is in great demand by knowledgeable users of systems of
> every stripe, from Canon DSLR's to pretty much every mirrorless system.
> Pentax's decision in retaining the relatively long flange to film plane
> distance from the original M42 lens mount makes adapting those lenses
> relatively easy.  The K mount was a wide opening for it's era, but both
> Canon's and Minolta's allow an adapter that easily mounts a K mount lens at
> the proper registration distance.  Unlike most other DSLR users not only are
> Pentax users competing with each other for the best glass ever designed for
> our lens mount, we're competing with with everybody else.
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2013 7:14 PM, Mark C wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Rick Womer 
>>
 Notice the trend of so many to say what they have is 'good enough'?
 Pentax loses. Notice the trend of so many to wait a year or more until
 there's massive price cuts on the newest model Pentax camera? Pentax
 loses. Notice the trend of so many to purchase used gear as opposed to
 new? Pentax loses. Then there's those that put there money elsewhere
 because they're not getting what they want from Pentax. Pentax loses.
 There's nothing wrong with any of those actions and all are
 justifiable. Still - Pentax loses.

>> IMO - every other camera manufacturer has to deal with those exact same
>> issues, and to be honest I don't think that they are limiting factors. I
>> just checked on ebay - there are over twice as many used Nikon and Canon
>> lenses there then Pentax. I didn't check bodies but I assume there are a lot
>> more used DSLR's of those brands simply because there has been a more active
>> upgrade path. The more people upgrade the more used bodies there are for the
>> bargain hunters. And Pentax (sadly) does not have to deal with the "problem"
>> of Sigma, Tamron, and TOkina making lenses that compete with them - though I
>> wish Sigma would kick out a few of their macro lenses in the K Mount.
>>
>> A robust used market is the sign of a healthy brand, IMO. But a brand that
>> tries to live off its used market is in trouble. Back in the 90's the
>> buzzword with Pentax was that there was this huge vast reserve of used
>> lenses and since there was great backwards compatibility with Pentax you
>> could tap into those old lenses. It was a bargain hunter's brand.  It was a
>> great argument at the time given that Canon and Nikon had respectively
>> scrapped or significantly modified their lens mount  a few years earlier.
>> And even though I supect that at this very moment some dim-witted blogger
>> cum photo gear reviewer is repeating that line about Pentax, Pentax's legacy
>> glass advantage has largely faded. Canon and Nikon have a couple decades of
>> used gear compatible with their systems now, and their used market is better
>> than Pentax's, and if you are a bargain hunter you would be better off
>> trolling in their waters and not Pentax's.
>>
>> I don't know how the Pentax brand will be resurrected but I keep hoping
>> that Ricoh has a plan...
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
Actually I don't think that Pentax licenses  there version from Sony, 
IIRC they use a very differnt system based on some sort of magnetic 
levitation as opposed to Sony which uses ball bearings actuated by 
magnets.  The only thing they have in common are the magnets.  On the 
other hand, the only thing Poloroid patented instant film process had in 
common with Kodak's was osmosis, which being a natural phenomenon, I 
didn't think was patentable, but hey Kodak lost.


On 7/17/2013 8:15 PM, John wrote:

Sony does with their full-frame DSLRs. Pentax licenses the in-body
stabilization technology from Sony.

I figure Nikon & Canon already have too much investment in their in-lens
IS to ever change. I see that as a shortcoming on the part of CaNikon

On 7/17/2013 6:44 PM, George Sinos wrote:

Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?

I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
that it's better when it's in the lens.

gs
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, P.J. Alling 
 wrote:

I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D 
and a

*ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror 
box and

mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed 
differently.  Now
the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form 
factor,

but then again it might not.


On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:


I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the 
Nikon

D600 to the Nikon D7100.

I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point 
for

what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).

Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
(other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html

Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical 
compact FF
Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF 
sensor

& mirror box.

The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
cues from Pentax.




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Re: OT: wolf chases bike

2013-07-17 Thread John

On 7/17/2013 7:11 PM, Bob W wrote:

On 17 Jul 2013, at 18:48, John  wrote:



Basically all moot for me, because between cameras & guitars I'll never
have any money left over to buy guns anyway.



Spend the money on guns, and take up mugging. That way you can have it all.

B


That's an idea, but guns are *SO* impersonal!

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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling

On 7/17/2013 7:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bruce Walker wrote:


Well in-lens is fancier, anyways. You get little knobs that let you
control what kind of shake you are trying to eliminate. Eg:

A. Shake, Rattle and Roll.
B. Shimmy, Shimmy Shake.
C. Whole 'Lotta Shakin' Goin' On.
D. Shakin' All Over.
E. Shake'n'Bake

Steak 'n Shake?

and don't forget the ubiquitous Shake and Bake(tm).

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Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
The lack of used lenses, especially wide angle primes could point to 
there being a robust market for Pentax DSLRs.  There was a time not too 
long ago, when there were always a number of A and FA 20mm lenses moving 
through KEH, now not so much.  It's hard to find any 24mm and wider A  
or later lenses, (or fast 35mm and 28mm A, F and FA), lenses on KEH now. 
They seem to be snapped up as soon as they arrive.  A lot of Pentax's 
more esoteric and well thought of glass is in great demand by 
knowledgeable users of systems of every stripe, from Canon DSLR's to 
pretty much every mirrorless system.  Pentax's decision in retaining the 
relatively long flange to film plane distance from the original M42 lens 
mount makes adapting those lenses relatively easy.  The K mount was a 
wide opening for it's era, but both Canon's and Minolta's allow an 
adapter that easily mounts a K mount lens at the proper registration 
distance.  Unlike most other DSLR users not only are Pentax users 
competing with each other for the best glass ever designed for our lens 
mount, we're competing with with everybody else.



On 7/17/2013 7:14 PM, Mark C wrote:


From: Rick Womer 


Notice the trend of so many to say what they have is 'good enough'?
Pentax loses. Notice the trend of so many to wait a year or more until
there's massive price cuts on the newest model Pentax camera? Pentax
loses. Notice the trend of so many to purchase used gear as opposed to
new? Pentax loses. Then there's those that put there money elsewhere
because they're not getting what they want from Pentax. Pentax loses.
There's nothing wrong with any of those actions and all are
justifiable. Still - Pentax loses.

IMO - every other camera manufacturer has to deal with those exact 
same issues, and to be honest I don't think that they are limiting 
factors. I just checked on ebay - there are over twice as many used 
Nikon and Canon lenses there then Pentax. I didn't check bodies but I 
assume there are a lot more used DSLR's of those brands simply because 
there has been a more active upgrade path. The more people upgrade the 
more used bodies there are for the bargain hunters. And Pentax (sadly) 
does not have to deal with the "problem" of Sigma, Tamron, and TOkina 
making lenses that compete with them - though I wish Sigma would kick 
out a few of their macro lenses in the K Mount.


A robust used market is the sign of a healthy brand, IMO. But a brand 
that tries to live off its used market is in trouble. Back in the 90's 
the buzzword with Pentax was that there was this huge vast reserve of 
used lenses and since there was great backwards compatibility with 
Pentax you could tap into those old lenses. It was a bargain hunter's 
brand.  It was a great argument at the time given that Canon and Nikon 
had respectively scrapped or significantly modified their lens mount  
a few years earlier. And even though I supect that at this very moment 
some dim-witted blogger cum photo gear reviewer is repeating that line 
about Pentax, Pentax's legacy glass advantage has largely faded. Canon 
and Nikon have a couple decades of used gear compatible with their 
systems now, and their used market is better than Pentax's, and if you 
are a bargain hunter you would be better off trolling in their waters 
and not Pentax's.


I don't know how the Pentax brand will be resurrected but I keep 
hoping that Ricoh has a plan...


Mark




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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread John

Sony does with their full-frame DSLRs. Pentax licenses the in-body
stabilization technology from Sony.

I figure Nikon & Canon already have too much investment in their in-lens
IS to ever change. I see that as a shortcoming on the part of CaNikon

On 7/17/2013 6:44 PM, George Sinos wrote:

Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?

I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
that it's better when it's in the lens.

gs
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www.GeorgeSinos.com


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
*ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box and
mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed differently.  Now
the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form factor,
but then again it might not.


On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:


I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
D600 to the Nikon D7100.

I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).

Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
(other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html

Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
& mirror box.

The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread Darren Addy
While I'm sure that there is some engineering involved to make the SR
mechanisms handle a larger full frame sensor, in practice the software
change should be rather trivial. Due to the 1.5x FOV factor being done
away with, all one would have to do is a mathematical change in the
focal length that is displayed on the LCD. (What was formerly a 75mm
would become a 50mm). The "problem" is that I don't think there WAS a
75mm (it was 85mm) but my point is (hopefully) taken. The algorithm
probably needs few changes but the display focal lengths would.

I think the bigger problem is in the processing engine and the number
of AF points. If you are coming from Pentax's AFS-C design perspective
to full frame, I would leave the 11 AF points where they are and then
design more around the periphery (of the larger sensor). Adding a
minimum of 12 might do it, but you have a lot of computational changes
to make to accommodate them. In addition, you have a larger filesize
to process and write to disk (new territory for Pentax) so the buffer
might again be a problem for continuous shooting.

I think that Pentax should probably not shoot for PRO land here, but
ENTHUSIAST land in their first full frame DSLR. Then take the lessons
learned and apply them to the next generation. I think that the body
will have to be somewhat bigger, just to accommodate the larger
mirror/pentaprism needed for a full frame. It wouldn't bother me if
they ignored video COMPLETELY on a full frame camera, but I doubt that
the marketing department would be very excited about that.

I'm not sure that anyone who isn't familiar with the injection molding
(plastics) business can truly appreciate the amount of time and
complexity that goes into a significant new revision (like a full
frame camera would entail). My employers own three injection molding
plants and an injection mold machining business. That's (probably) why
the past several models have all pretty much been in the same K-5
body. A full frame would be a BIG departure from that.

And that isn't even considering the software side of things. There are
reasons that things take time.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:44 PM, George Sinos  wrote:
> Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?
>
> I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
> much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
> that it's better when it's in the lens.
>
> gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, P.J. Alling  
> wrote:
>> I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
>> Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
>> *ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
>> mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box and
>> mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
>> smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed differently.  Now
>> the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form factor,
>> but then again it might not.
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
>>> D600 to the Nikon D7100.
>>>
>>> I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
>>> D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
>>> what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
>>> point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
>>> follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
>>> DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
>>> (other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).
>>>
>>> http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html
>>>
>>> Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
>>> Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
>>> & mirror box.
>>>
>>> The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
>>> was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
>>> cues from Pentax.
>>>
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread John

I dunno. I was just kinda' impressed that the guy thought the K5 was the
ideal Nikon should aspire to.

On 7/17/2013 6:27 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
*ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box
and mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't
appreciably smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed
differently.  Now the shake reduction system might require a slightly
different form factor, but then again it might not.

On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:

I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
D600 to the Nikon D7100.

I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).

Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
(other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html

Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
& mirror box.

The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
cues from Pentax.






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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent! Good chipmunk control

Paul via phone

On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

> I love the opportunistic shot of a bird so close-up like this (I'm
> envious, even) but after viewing this on two different systems I can
> tell you that its color balance is significantly off to the green/cyan
> side. The eyes and the legs should be YELLOW. Make that change and
> I'll like it a lot better. Frankly that bothers me a lot more than any
> noise.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Shame on you!  ;-)
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>> 
>> Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight head
>> shot!
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jack Davis" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>> 
>> 
>> One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:14 PM
>> Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>> 
>> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>> 
>> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
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>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
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Re: OT: wolf chases bike

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind 
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On 7/17/2013 7:11 PM, Bob W wrote:

On 17 Jul 2013, at 18:48, John  wrote:


Basically all moot for me, because between cameras & guitars I'll never
have any money left over to buy guns anyway.


Spend the money on guns, and take up mugging. That way you can have it all.

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Darren Addy
I love the opportunistic shot of a bird so close-up like this (I'm
envious, even) but after viewing this on two different systems I can
tell you that its color balance is significantly off to the green/cyan
side. The eyes and the legs should be YELLOW. Make that change and
I'll like it a lot better. Frankly that bothers me a lot more than any
noise.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Shame on you!  ;-)
>
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>
> Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight head
> shot!
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>
>
> One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.
>
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:14 PM
> Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>
> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>
> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote:

>Well in-lens is fancier, anyways. You get little knobs that let you
>control what kind of shake you are trying to eliminate. Eg:
>
>A. Shake, Rattle and Roll.
>B. Shimmy, Shimmy Shake.
>C. Whole 'Lotta Shakin' Goin' On.
>D. Shakin' All Over.
>E. Shake'n'Bake

Steak 'n Shake?
 
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Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?

2013-07-17 Thread Mark C


From: Rick Womer 


Notice the trend of so many to say what they have is 'good enough'?
Pentax loses. Notice the trend of so many to wait a year or more until
there's massive price cuts on the newest model Pentax camera? Pentax
loses. Notice the trend of so many to purchase used gear as opposed to
new? Pentax loses. Then there's those that put there money elsewhere
because they're not getting what they want from Pentax. Pentax loses.
There's nothing wrong with any of those actions and all are
justifiable. Still - Pentax loses.

IMO - every other camera manufacturer has to deal with those exact same 
issues, and to be honest I don't think that they are limiting factors. I 
just checked on ebay - there are over twice as many used Nikon and Canon 
lenses there then Pentax. I didn't check bodies but I assume there are a 
lot more used DSLR's of those brands simply because there has been a 
more active upgrade path. The more people upgrade the more used bodies 
there are for the bargain hunters. And Pentax (sadly) does not have to 
deal with the "problem" of Sigma, Tamron, and TOkina making lenses that 
compete with them - though I wish Sigma would kick out a few of their 
macro lenses in the K Mount.


A robust used market is the sign of a healthy brand, IMO. But a brand 
that tries to live off its used market is in trouble. Back in the 90's 
the buzzword with Pentax was that there was this huge vast reserve of 
used lenses and since there was great backwards compatibility with 
Pentax you could tap into those old lenses. It was a bargain hunter's 
brand.  It was a great argument at the time given that Canon and Nikon 
had respectively scrapped or significantly modified their lens mount  a 
few years earlier. And even though I supect that at this very moment 
some dim-witted blogger cum photo gear reviewer is repeating that line 
about Pentax, Pentax's legacy glass advantage has largely faded. Canon 
and Nikon have a couple decades of used gear compatible with their 
systems now, and their used market is better than Pentax's, and if you 
are a bargain hunter you would be better off trolling in their waters 
and not Pentax's.


I don't know how the Pentax brand will be resurrected but I keep hoping 
that Ricoh has a plan...


Mark

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Re: OT: wolf chases bike

2013-07-17 Thread Bob W
On 17 Jul 2013, at 18:48, John  wrote:

> 
> Basically all moot for me, because between cameras & guitars I'll never
> have any money left over to buy guns anyway.
> 

Spend the money on guns, and take up mugging. That way you can have it all.

B

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Jack Davis
Shame on you!  ;-)
 
Jack


- Original Message -
From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight head 
shot!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek


One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: "kwal...@peoplepc.com" 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:14 PM
Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread Bruce Walker
Well in-lens is fancier, anyways. You get little knobs that let you
control what kind of shake you are trying to eliminate. Eg:

A. Shake, Rattle and Roll.
B. Shimmy, Shimmy Shake.
C. Whole 'Lotta Shakin' Goin' On.
D. Shakin' All Over.
E. Shake'n'Bake

Powerful stuff.


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:44 PM, George Sinos  wrote:
> Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?
>
> I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
> much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
> that it's better when it's in the lens.
>
> gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, P.J. Alling  
> wrote:
>> I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
>> Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
>> *ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
>> mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box and
>> mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
>> smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed differently.  Now
>> the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form factor,
>> but then again it might not.
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
>>> D600 to the Nikon D7100.
>>>
>>> I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
>>> D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
>>> what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
>>> point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
>>> follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
>>> DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
>>> (other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).
>>>
>>> http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html
>>>
>>> Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
>>> Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
>>> & mirror box.
>>>
>>> The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
>>> was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
>>> cues from Pentax.
>>>
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-17 16:44 George Sinos wrote

I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
that it's better when it's in the lens.


perhaps not, but i noted a recent rumor that Panasonic will come out with 
in-body IS in its next m43 body, despite having shipped many lenses with IS




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Re: Help request, who knows a lens repair service that will even look at older third party lenses?

2013-07-17 Thread John

Let us know how that works out.

If it's reasonably good news my Tokina AT-X Pro 28-70 will likely be
following it.

On 7/17/2013 12:04 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'd like to thank every one who replied, and especially whoever
suggested sending it to Erik Hendricson, I'd dealt with him before, but
discounted using him since the equipment wasn't made by Pentax.  After
emailing him he's replied that he'll look at the lens so maybe it'll get
fixed.  I'm packing it up and now for shipping.  I'm keeping my fingers
crossed.

On 7/14/2013 11:18 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

My Vivitar S1 70-210mm f2.8~4.0, the third version with the A contacts
took a fall of about 2 1/2 feet to a concrete floor. Everything seems
to be all right except the aperture lever is binding just ever so much
which is keeping it from stopping down normally.  I took it apart, as
much as I felt comfortable doing, while still thinking I'd get it back
together, and was unable to discover where the lever is binding,
though it's just enough to keep it from moving freely through part of
it's travel.  Even at that I managed to lose one small screw.

Any new Pentax equipment I'd send to C.R.I.S. Older stuff I'd send to
Pentaxs.com, but I've never damaged an older non Pentax lens I thought
was worth having repaired, so I'm at a loss.

Any suggestions would be welcome, preferably within the continental
U.S., but Canada probably isn't out of the question. Though I'm not
sure what kind of hoops I'll have to jump through to get a used lens
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread Jeffery Smith
The Sony alpha 850 is a full size sensor with anti-shake.

Jeffery


On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:44 PM, George Sinos  wrote:

> Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?
> 
> I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
> much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
> that it's better when it's in the lens.
> 
> gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, P.J. Alling  
> wrote:
>> I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
>> Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
>> *ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
>> mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box and
>> mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
>> smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed differently.  Now
>> the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form factor,
>> but then again it might not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
>>> D600 to the Nikon D7100.
>>> 
>>> I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
>>> D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
>>> what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
>>> point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).
>>> 
>>> Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
>>> follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
>>> DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
>>> (other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).
>>> 
>>> http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html
>>> 
>>> Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
>>> Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
>>> & mirror box.
>>> 
>>> The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
>>> was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
>>> cues from Pentax.
>>> 
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Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens

2013-07-17 Thread Zos Xavius
He replied. :)

A K-7 in good shape shall be coming my way. No more semi-functional
shutter button and permanent dust spots! Yay! Its funny when buying a
near mint condition replacement is cheaper than actually repairing.
Now to just get my K-5 in the mail to CRIS so they can replace the
sensor. I'll have to take some pictures of my current k-7 to show you
all how abused it has been over the past couple of years. Thank Pentax
for tough cameras. :)

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I have bought from Joe before, good to deal with, he'll be back
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> Looks like Joe is off in LA LA land anyways. Earth to Joe! :P
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> Good. Wouldn't want to have to kill you. :P
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Bruce Walker  
>>> wrote:
 My lips are sealed.

 Sent from my iPod

 On 2013-07-17, at 10:13 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

> whoops. meant to be private.
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> Still want to part with that nice looking K-7? ;)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Joe J. Wilensky  
>> wrote:
>>> FS: Pentax K-7 body, low shutter count (2,295), EX- condition. 
>>> Purchased from a list member (but I don't remember who!). Includes 
>>> printed manual, original box, strap, new non-Pentax battery and 
>>> non-Pentax charger. $225.
>>>
>>> Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR lens, EX+ condition. I had bought 
>>> this lens new and sent it back to Pentax before the warranty was up 
>>> because of sub-par performance. They calibrated it to factory specs and 
>>> it now performs very, very well for this kit lens! A weather resistant 
>>> lens, it's a great match on the weather-resistant K-7. $100.
>>>
>>> Tamron SP 24-135mm  f/3.5-5.6 macro AF aspherical (IF) lens, includes 
>>> front and rear caps and Tamron soft zippered case, EX condition. This 
>>> is a film-era lens and is therefore technically full frame. Balances 
>>> well on the K-7 body though it isn't weatherproof. $125.
>>> It's this lens, for reference: 
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-sp-af-24-135mm-f-3-5-5-6-ad-aspherical-if.html
>>>
>>> Combine the K-7 with one or both lenses for a package deal and price.
>>>
>>> Photos available upon request.
>>>
>>> Joe Wilensky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread George Sinos
 A young woman I know photographs babies a lot.  She said a small
space heater is one of the important pieces of equipment.  Both to
keep the little babies warm and, as you said, to keep them sleepy.  gs
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> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>
> HA!
>
> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>
> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
> content and quiet at the same time.
>
> LOL.
>
> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>
> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>
> :)
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Christine.  Three generations & 100 years between them.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Thanks, Bob!
>
> It's been a while since I had newborns around here... they are so
> scrawny!  I think once these little guys get their issues sorted out,
> they will be packing it away like champs!
>
> Nice shot of the three generations.
>
> :)
> -c
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Christine,
>> Fun shot.
>> Get some food in those two little suckers!
>> (My daughter-in-law's sister has a 3 week old,
>> shown here with Great Grandma @ her 100th birthday.)
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465164
>> Lucky for us, she was sleeping.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Christine Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>>>
>>> HA!
>>>
>>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>>>
>>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>>> content and quiet at the same time.
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>>>
>>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>>>
>>> :)
>>> -c
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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread George Sinos
Can you do in-body shake reduction with larger sensors?

I doubt the N or C would put it in the body anyway.  They make too
much money on the lenses and have spent too much time telling everyone
that it's better when it's in the lens.

gs
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> I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF
> Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a
> *ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size
> mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box and
> mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't appreciably
> smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed differently.  Now
> the shake reduction system might require a slightly different form factor,
> but then again it might not.
>
>
> On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
>> D600 to the Nikon D7100.
>>
>> I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
>> D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
>> what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
>> point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).
>>
>> Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
>> follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
>> DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
>> (other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).
>>
>> http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html
>>
>> Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
>> Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
>> & mirror box.
>>
>> The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
>> was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
>> cues from Pentax.
>>
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Re: OT: Japan's Internet Cafes

2013-07-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote:

>Presentation? In a word: atrocious.

You're being too kind to it.
 
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studentstock.com

2013-07-17 Thread Larry Colen
My friend LaRee is involved with a stock photo website, now
in beta:  http://www.studentstock.com

She recently contacted me looking for photos, and good photographers,
for the new website.  I've been too busy to delve deeply into the site,
or the terms, but she asked if I could recommend some photographers
for the site.  The pay isn't much, but it is, at least in theory,
larger than zero.

If you are interested in it, or in more details go to 
http://www.studentstock.com  
to sign up for the beta, or email Laree at
la...@studentstock.com  
for more information. 

   Larry

- Forwarded message from LaRee Hartman  -

Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: LaRee Hartman 
To: Larry Colen 
Subject: Re: Thanks
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.557

Hi Larry
I'm still learning all of this - so my partner Mike is going to answer the 
jpeg/file size questions...
As for the post - yes, have them go to our sign up page at www.studentstock.com 
to be included in the beta. They can email me directly at 
la...@studentstock.com or this email address if they have questions.
Thanks for allthe help.
LaRee

Hi  Larry
We would like full res jpegs saved at 90 to 100 quality uploaded to our site. 
The image size will be shown on our site after it uploads.  Our system handles 
downsizing for display automatically for you.
Mike

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Re: Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
I'm not sure how much scaling up would be required the hypothetical FF 
Pentax would require for a FF mirror box.  If you compare a *ist-D and a 
*ist-Ds and an ZX/MZ-5n, you'll find that the *ist-D has the same size 
mirror box as the ZX/MZ camera and the *ist-Ds camera has a mirror box 
and mirror more in keeping with an APS-C sensor.  Yet it isn't 
appreciably smaller for that, the volume just seems to be distributed 
differently.  Now the shake reduction system might require a slightly 
different form factor, but then again it might not.


On 7/17/2013 5:18 PM, John wrote:

I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
D600 to the Nikon D7100.

I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).

Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
(other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html

Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
& mirror box.

The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
cues from Pentax.




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Re: OT: Japan's Internet Cafes

2013-07-17 Thread Bruce Walker
Presentation? In a word: atrocious.

Content? I dunno. Couldn't get past presentation.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
> Photo essay with weird CSS -- I'm curious what people think about the
> presentation (I know it's just CSS because I originally viewed this in a
> browser with JS off).
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-11/japans-internet-cafes-home-for-the-underemployed
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Bruce Walker
The K20 isn't _that_ bad at 800 ISO. Mine sure isn't. That noise looks
like a background of Ramen noodles. Did you shoot straight to JPEG?
Pull the exposure up in post a whole bunch? Is it a majorly serious
crop?

You should really try Nik Dfine on stuff like this. Works quite well
at removing stubborn noise.

Nonetheless, a beautiful bird, Ken.


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM,   wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob. The grain was automatically added by using the K20D @ 800!
> The background was rendered that way by using the 300 FA @ f/4.5
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
>
> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>
>
>> Ken,
>> Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>>>
>>> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
>>>
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Bruce Walker
Ditto what Ann says, and I think the one on the right was already
declaring a victory over you. :-)


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> All I can say is, better you than me!
>
> Admirably coped with, Christine!
>
> ann
>
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2013 16:44, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>>
>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>> content and quiet at the same time.
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>>
>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>>
>> :)
>> -c
>>
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Bob!

It's been a while since I had newborns around here... they are so
scrawny!  I think once these little guys get their issues sorted out,
they will be packing it away like champs!

Nice shot of the three generations.

:)
-c

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Christine,
> Fun shot.
> Get some food in those two little suckers!
> (My daughter-in-law's sister has a 3 week old,
> shown here with Great Grandma @ her 100th birthday.)
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465164
> Lucky for us, she was sleeping.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>>
>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>> content and quiet at the same time.
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>>
>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>>
>> :)
>> -c
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Re: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - Going, going....

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Well if you put it like that

ann

On 7/17/2013 17:58, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Remember, we have an extra PUG for July:

'Open Gallery' - closing date 20 July.  Eight submissions so far -
there's no theme, just submit an image you'd like to share.  What could
be easier?  :-)>

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Yes, let's call it "personality"...

:)

Thanks, Dan!

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> There is a lot of personality in that image.
> Dan Matyola
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>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>>
>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>> content and quiet at the same time.
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>>
>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>>
>> :)
>> -c
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Ann!

:)
-c

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> All I can say is, better you than me!
>
> Admirably coped with, Christine!
>
> ann
>
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2013 16:44, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
>> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
>> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
>> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
>> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
>> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>>
>> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
>> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
>> content and quiet at the same time.
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
>> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>>
>> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>>
>> :)
>> -c
>>
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July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - Going, going....

2013-07-17 Thread Brian Walters

G'day all

Remember, we have an extra PUG for July:

'Open Gallery' - closing date 20 July.  Eight submissions so far -  
there's no theme, just submit an image you'd like to share.  What  
could be easier?  :-)>


Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body  
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to  
ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.



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Re: GESO: Loons, eagle, and other critters

2013-07-17 Thread Stan Halpin
No zoom. A few in the gallery may have been with the DA*300/4.0; most/all were 
with the 300 + F1.7xAF extender. I have my Sigma 150-500 zoom with me but this 
combination is smaller & lighter and I find I prefer it. I meant to bring the 
60-250/4.0 to try out with the 1.7x but it sits on the shelf at home. Next trip 
. . .

stan

On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

> On Jul 16, 2013, at 21:51 , Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
>> Just added a couple more "portraits" to my gallery of shots from my ongoing 
>> vacation  -  had both a bald eagle and a loon come by for a sitting along 
>> with the usual families of ducks passing through.
>> 
>> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649
>> 
> 
> Nice work! 
> 
> That is one crisp loon.  
> 
> Since we were just talking about zooms in another thread... what are you 
> zooming with on there?
> 
> (More than likely something outside of my price range, but I gotta ask).
> 
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-17 14:14 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095


having had such visitors myself i'd say you got a great shot


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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine,
Fun shot.
Get some food in those two little suckers!
(My daughter-in-law's sister has a 3 week old,
shown here with Great Grandma @ her 100th birthday.)
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465164
Lucky for us, she was sleeping.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>
> HA!
>
> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>
> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
> content and quiet at the same time.
>
> LOL.
>
> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>
> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>
> :)
> -c
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OT: Japan's Internet Cafes

2013-07-17 Thread Aahz Maruch
Photo essay with weird CSS -- I'm curious what people think about the
presentation (I know it's just CSS because I originally viewed this in a
browser with JS off).

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-11/japans-internet-cafes-home-for-the-underemployed
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread John

Very nice.

On 7/17/2013 4:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Help request, who knows a lens repair service that will even look at older third party lenses?

2013-07-17 Thread John

http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/problem-solving-flow-chart.jpg

On 7/17/2013 3:42 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Lens Repair Rates (per hour):
If you watch us.. $55
If you give us advice$65
If you help or assist us$75
If you worked on it before...$150

Frankly, my first thought is that this can't be that pricey or hard to
find of a lens and that replacement would be faster/cheaper (or at
least close to the same cost) but then I saw you said it was an "A"
lens. I think those may be a lot harder to find.



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Semi-OT: The true reasons for a full frame camera

2013-07-17 Thread John

I ran across this in a discussion thread in DPReview comparing the Nikon
D600 to the Nikon D7100.

I've mentioned here before that I've been looking closely at the Nikon
D600 and consider its specifications to be a minimum starting point for
what any Pentax FF must offer. Still, it has some shortcomings from my
point of view (beyond Nikon having put their IS in the lenses).

Someone mentioned the D7100 as an example of what a Pentax K5II
follow-on camera would need to be, so I took a look at its specs on
DPReview and it seems to have fixed every concern I had about the D600
(other than IS which I understand ain't gonna' happen).

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/equivalence/ff.html

Semi-OT because the author bases his design of a hypothetical compact FF
Nikon "D800c" on scaling up the the Pentax K5 body to fit in a FF sensor
& mirror box.

The rest of the article doesn't matter all that much, but I thought it
was interesting for the suggestion that Nikon should be taking design
cues from Pentax.

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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

All I can say is, better you than me!

Admirably coped with, Christine!

ann



On 7/17/2013 16:44, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...

HA!

My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
(reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.

The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
content and quiet at the same time.

LOL.

Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:

http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874

:)
-c



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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

Thanks Ann


Did you throw him a crumb?
No, but his presence explains the lack of birds, squirrels and chipmunks in 
my yard lately.
I think he was hatched nearby this last spring and he's sure making good use 
of the forested area.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



ooh great grab, Ken! just perfect.

Did you throw him a crumb?

ann

On 7/17/2013 16:14, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

Thanks Darren -
as you know they're very similar but with time to study this guy it was 
easy.
He/she is a juvenile and noticeably smaller than a Cooper's Hawk & he/she 
didn't have the rounded tail of the Cooper's.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Addy" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



Being able to tell the difference between a young Sharp Shinned Hawk
and a young Coopers Hawk is just *one* of the ways that you are a
better man than I.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM,   wrote:

Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?



Thanks Bob. The grain was automatically added by using the K20D @ 800!
The background was rendered that way by using the 300 FA @ f/4.5

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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



Ken,
Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:


Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

Kenneth Waller
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Re: PESO: SHARK!

2013-07-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Christine.

Because of the perfect climate in Maui, some of the tanks are open to
the air on top, giving much better lighting.
BTW, they are having a bit of a heat wave there this week as well;
highs of 88 and lows of 72 every day this week.
The humidity in low, however, and the tropical breezes pretty consistant.

The state of Hawai'i has never recorded temperature above 100 F, and
that has occurred only once, in the Ka'u desert, a huge field of black
lava.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> For a second I thought you had gotten shots of the Sharnado!
>
> Nice shot -- I'm envious... we went to our local aquarium last week
> (about as far from Maui as you can get in the US!) & there's no
> natural light on the big tank, and the water seems much less clear...
>
> :)
> -c
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Thanks, Don.
>>
>> Well, I am a scuba diver, but my K-r isn't water-tight enough to use
>> it down there. I have a SeaLife Reef Master Digital that I use
>> when diving.  I may have shown a few of my sea turtle images here that
>> were taken with that camera.
>>
>> This image was taken from the tunnel inside the huge shark tank in the
>> Maui Ocean Center, one of my favorite places.
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
>>> Very nice especially thru glass unless you've taken up scuba. Shafts of
>>> light add a lot of interest.
>>>
>>> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Incredible!

You are so lucky to have a visitor like that, and so skillful to take
advantage of the opportunity with such a fine shot!

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM,   wrote:
> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>
> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
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> Comments appreciated.
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Re: PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
There is a lot of personality in that image.
Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
> photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...
>
> HA!
>
> My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
> bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
> (reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
> were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
> the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.
>
> The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
> sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
> content and quiet at the same time.
>
> LOL.
>
> Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
> Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:
>
> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874
>
> :)
> -c
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

ooh great grab, Ken! just perfect.

Did you throw him a crumb?

ann

On 7/17/2013 16:14, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Darren Addy
Being able to tell the difference between a young Sharp Shinned Hawk
and a young Coopers Hawk is just *one* of the ways that you are a
better man than I.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM,   wrote:
>> Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
>
>
> Thanks Bob. The grain was automatically added by using the K20D @ 800!
> The background was rendered that way by using the 300 FA @ f/4.5
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" 
>
> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek
>
>
>> Ken,
>> Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>>>
>>> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
>>>
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
>
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/17/2013 16:03, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

On 7/17/2013 13:54, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be
private? and just how much trouble did you get into?  ;-)


Not me!  It was Zos!


So does that mean you are totally guilt free?


Unlike many people of my birth culture (Jewish), I don't do guilt.


oh suuurree, Woody

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, > > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Tom C
>
> How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot?
>
> bill

Thank you.

Who's the idiot that can't spell fcuking correctly?

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Re: PESO: Don't bug me

2013-07-17 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 14, 2013, at 21:26 , Stan Halpin  wrote:

> Speaking of Loons, this shot does not begin to compare to the one Charles 
> posted, but we have several loons hanging around the general vicinity of our 
> cabin. I have yet to get a good close-up, but when working through today's 
> catch I was amused by this one.
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/e6df1a0b2
> 

Aww.. I'm flattered.  I like this - but I think it would benefit from bringing 
up the shadows so that there's more than just a silhouette of the loon's head.  
Is there a nice red eye in there somewhere?

> K-5ii, DA*300 + F1.7x AF, from about 250 yards away...
> 

That answers my other question in another thread about your lenses and whether 
I could afford same.  No.

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Re: PESO: SHARK!

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
For a second I thought you had gotten shots of the Sharnado!

Nice shot -- I'm envious... we went to our local aquarium last week
(about as far from Maui as you can get in the US!) & there's no
natural light on the big tank, and the water seems much less clear...

:)
-c

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Thanks, Don.
>
> Well, I am a scuba diver, but my K-r isn't water-tight enough to use
> it down there. I have a SeaLife Reef Master Digital that I use
> when diving.  I may have shown a few of my sea turtle images here that
> were taken with that camera.
>
> This image was taken from the tunnel inside the huge shark tank in the
> Maui Ocean Center, one of my favorite places.
>
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
>> Very nice especially thru glass unless you've taken up scuba. Shafts of
>> light add a lot of interest.
>>
>> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:13:20 -0400
>>>
>>> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: PESO: SHARK!
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16998957
>>> Comments are invited.
>>>
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>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: GESO: Loons, eagle, and other critters

2013-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Stan,
I don't know if you have enough detail for this, but you could push
that eagle farther.
Bob

Subject: Pentax K-5 II s handles back lit situations...

Pentax K-5 II s  handles back lit situations nicely.  ISO 200 and
DA60-250 and 250mm @ f11 and 1/100. see original and adjusted in LR5
by 1.55 Exposure and +26 on Shadows
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> Thanks for the comments Ann, Dan, Bob.
> Bob, I agree about the darkness of the eagle exposure. I've cranked it up a 
> bit, overall and shadows, and reloaded.
>
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/e633301d4
>
> I've also added another eagle shot from today; this guy wasn't as close so I 
> had to crop quite a bit and so of course have less detail. They keep coming 
> back to our neighbor's tree so I'll have more opportunities.
>
> stan
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Stan,
>> A very nice GESO.  The dragon flies and ducks are very nice.
>> You need to crank up the exposure on that eagle.  It's too dark,
>> and Lightroom could fix that.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Stan Halpin
>>  wrote:
>>> Just added a couple more "portraits" to my gallery of shots from my ongoing 
>>> vacation  -  had both a bald eagle and a loon come by for a sitting along 
>>> with the usual families of ducks passing through.
>>>
>>> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649
>>>
>>> stan
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Re: GESO: Loons, eagle, and other critters

2013-07-17 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 16, 2013, at 21:51 , Stan Halpin  wrote:

> Just added a couple more "portraits" to my gallery of shots from my ongoing 
> vacation  -  had both a bald eagle and a loon come by for a sitting along 
> with the usual families of ducks passing through.
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649
> 

Nice work! 

That is one crisp loon.  

Since we were just talking about zooms in another thread... what are you 
zooming with on there?

(More than likely something outside of my price range, but I gotta ask).

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PESO: The Wonder Twins

2013-07-17 Thread Christine Nielsen
Last week, I had the opportunity to shoot newborn twins.  As a
photographer, as a mother of 3, I thought I was up to the challenge...

HA!

My visions for smooshy faces, peaceful swaddled bundles, teeny bare
bottoms... were no match for fussy 2 week olds with tummy trouble
(reflux, milk allergies) and ferocious diaper rash.  Mom, Dad & me
were left limp and exhausted by the end -- especially since I had left
the a/c off to lull the babies into a heat-induced nap.

The babies, for their part, tag-teamed us, alternating
sleep/wake/feeding schedules, so that at no point, were both of them
content and quiet at the same time.

LOL.

Anyway, I think this is my favorite shot of the whole sorry bunch.
Here they are, at the outset of our session, just getting warmed up:

http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67710874#h67710874

:)
-c

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?


Thanks Bob. The grain was automatically added by using the K20D @ 800!
The background was rendered that way by using the 300 FA @ f/4.5

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek



Ken,
Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller
Thanks Jack, but actually not - I didn't have my 600 set up for a tight head 
shot!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek


One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.

Jack


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Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

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Re: Help request, who knows a lens repair service that will evenlook at older third party lenses?

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

What do you me us kimo sabe?

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Help request, who knows a lens repair service that will 
evenlook at older third party lenses?




On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote:


[...] I'm not semi retired, I'm under employed, and I'd like to say
I'm curmudgeonly from years of dealing with a--holes in software
development racket, but actual, I was born that way.


How many of us resemble that remark?


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Re: PESO: SHARK!

2013-07-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Don.

Well, I am a scuba diver, but my K-r isn't water-tight enough to use
it down there. I have a SeaLife Reef Master Digital that I use
when diving.  I may have shown a few of my sea turtle images here that
were taken with that camera.

This image was taken from the tunnel inside the huge shark tank in the
Maui Ocean Center, one of my favorite places.


Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Very nice especially thru glass unless you've taken up scuba. Shafts of
> light add a lot of interest.
>
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:13:20 -0400
>>
>> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: PESO: SHARK!
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16998957
>> Comments are invited.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ken,
Very nice.  Did you add grain to the background?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM,   wrote:
> Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095
>
> K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
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Re: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread Jack Davis
One of those opportunities for which you're skillfully prepared.

Jack


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Subject: PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-17 11:44 Aahz Maruch wrote

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote:

reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list!


Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender?


i'm not aware that they have … it is still pretty common in some realms, but 
reply-to-sender is becoming an anachronism in among mailing lists, which are 
themselves an anachronism (and i'm pretty old school when it comes to email)


particularly on this list reply-to-sender would increase the circle of confusion


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PESO - 'Sharp-shinned Hawek

2013-07-17 Thread kwaller

Caught this guy on my deck looking for lunch

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17465095

K20D 300mm FA 800 ISO

Comments appreciated.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
This is a list.  Posting has been this way for 10+ years.
Show me another list that doesn't respond to everyone.
Pentax Forum sure doesn't post your reply only to the original sender.
We like the way this works.  Get used to it!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>>
>>> More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to
>>> list?  Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely
>>> because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with
>>> reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public).
>>
>> reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list!
>
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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> On 7/17/2013 13:54, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>>
>>>ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be
>>>private? and just how much trouble did you get into?  ;-)
>>
>>Not me!  It was Zos!
>
> So does that mean you are totally guilt free?

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Re: Help request, who knows a lens repair service that will even look at older third party lenses?

2013-07-17 Thread P.J. Alling
The, relatively beat up cosmetically, copy that Boris found on Pentax 
fora had an asking price of $200.00. Even having suffered a drop to a 
concrete floor the version I have /looks/ like it's in better shape.  
The entire problem seems to be that it struck the floor mount first, the 
rear lens cap took most of the impact and shattered. However it seems to 
have passed a little, maybe a lot, I can't tell, not sure how much a 
little or lot would be in this case, of the impact force on to the 
aperture stop down lever.  The flange that protects the stop down lever 
is made out of some kind of tough black plastic, and that's slightly 
deformed. I'm hoping that nothing sheared off, that all that's wrong is 
a metal part that can be carefully re-shaped.


On 7/17/2013 3:42 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Lens Repair Rates (per hour):
If you watch us.. $55
If you give us advice$65
If you help or assist us$75
If you worked on it before...$150

Frankly, my first thought is that this can't be that pricey or hard to
find of a lens and that replacement would be faster/cheaper (or at
least close to the same cost) but then I saw you said it was an "A"
lens. I think those may be a lot harder to find.




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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Gee was that supposed to be off-list???

ann

On 7/17/2013 15:47, Bill wrote:

On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote:

I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of
this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by
them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check.

bill

You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it?

:)

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How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot?

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele

But we do have the archives, ya know

ann


On 7/17/2013 13:58, Zos Xavius wrote:

I plead the 5th!

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be
private? and just how much trouble did you get into?  ;-)


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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/17/2013 13:54, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be
private? and just how much trouble did you get into?  ;-)


Not me!  It was Zos!


So does that mean you are totally guilt free?

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Re: OT: wolf chases bike

2013-07-17 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:43 PM, John  wrote:
>
> My experience with handguns is somewhat limited.
>
> When I first joined the National Guard I was in an aviation unit & the
> issue side arm was a S&W .38 cal revolver.
>
> I transferred out of the aviation unit when we got back from Desert
> Storm in order to get promoted. The side arm my new unit was equipped
> with was the "Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911A1"
>
> We got the Beretta M9 in the mid-90s. That's what I carried inside the
> FOB in Iraq. Outside the berm, I carried a M16A2 AND the M9. I'm a
> better shot with the M16, but the M9 is handier if you should find
> yourself in a situation where you need to retreat from a close
> confinement & you want to discourage bad guys from following you.
>
>  I know where to find the local dealer who
> has a range. No problem renting a lane for an hour or so.
>
> Actually, I know an indoor range down near Ft. Bragg that has slightly more
> exotic toys for rent.

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Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, > WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)

2013-07-17 Thread Bill

On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote:

I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of
this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by
them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check.

bill

You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it?

:)

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How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot?

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