Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. Thanks Cotty. Many of us on this list have been making and blogging this very same point for years (though some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax). As for the comment on 16MP sensors and 16x20 prints, I've made some lovely prints of that size from K10D files, and as Paul Stenquist reminded us this week, you can print enormous, camera show worthy photographs from a 6MP file. Reichmann's article is old news -- a lot of the photography world figured all this out 6 years ago or more. Welcome to the past, Michael! Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: So who needed whom?
On 1/3/2014 12:49 PM, Bill wrote: On 03/01/2014 12:06 PM, Walt wrote: Thanks, Bruce. I guess if I can hold off for a year, or so, I might be able to foot the bill for the whole megillah -- body, computer. I'm still pretty damned happy with my K-5, but knowing the improved auto-focus is out there makes me give it the ol' side-eye every now and then. I've said it before, the K5, as good as it is, was held back by QC problems because of Hoya. The K5II series is what the K5 should have been off the hop, had Hoya not built the thing as cheaply as they felt they could get away with. Regarding AF: The K3 is more accurate by yards, and is significantly faster as well. The 17 point AF is nice, but should be more spread out, or should have more focus points. I suspect this was a choice Ricoh made to ensure there was still an upgrade path from the K3, as a K3 with a 60 or so point AF would be just about the end of the line. Focus point selection in Liveview is much wider, and LiveView AF seems fast enough. Certainly it is as fast as the PDAF systems from a couple of generations ago. More and more, I am using Liveview rather than the viewfinder in the studio. I find that being separated from the camera makes the subjects more at ease than dealing with a photographer who looks like Patrick Stewart dressed as a Borg. bill Interesting food for thought, Bill. It certainly sounds like I'd be deliriously happy with the K-3, and I may even be able to foot the bill for one by the time the next flagship comes out. And in the meantime, I'm pretty content to have a camera like the K-5 to be stuck with. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Sorry, I didn't see this question until now. I hope it is not too late. While I like Venetian and went there many times, I didn't find it that interesting to photograph. Here is what I'd recommend: 1. Within Vegas, I would recommend going to the Secret Garden Dolphin Habitat in Mirage. 2. Street views of and from Belagio - in the evening when the musical fountain in front of it is playing. (Every hour? or half-an-hour? check the hotel's website for the schedule/) 3. Also, inside Belagio, there is a nice area that is called Conservatory and Botanical Gardens: http://www.bellagio.com/attractions/botanical-garden.aspx Their holiday display there is only until January 5, but even beyond that, you might catch some nice photos. 4. I second Ken's suggestion for Red Rock Park. I don't have my photos posted, but my wife has a bunch from almost exactly a year ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jprusakova/sets/72157632470167704/ Cheers, Igor - Original Message - From: Eactivist at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Las Vegas Photo Spots? Anyone been to Las Vegas in recent memory? Know any good photo spots, in town, or out? Going with a friend in about a week (big electronic show), and haven't been there since I was about 15. I am not a gambler. I will visit the show for a while, but it's not really my thing. Googling I have found: Valley of Fire (red rock formations, 1 hour north), Goodsprings (ghost town, 30 minutes south), and in Las Vegas itself: a mock Venetian street with water and gondolas, a mock Eiffel tower, a mock Sphinx, and a neon sign boneyard (junk yard of old Las Vegas signs). Sometimes people on this list know where to shoot. Anything I've missed? Or shouldn't miss? Thanks in advance, Marnie aka Doe :-) Probably no one on this list has been there at all recently. I think by now it's clear you should go to Red Rock Park. Whether you walk it or drive it, it's very nice and accessible. Another place I'd encourage you to visit, though not for photography, is the National Atomic Testing Museum, also a few minutes drive from the Strip. They have a huge exhibit chronicling the history of that endearing desire humans have to blow shit up with atomic bombs. Lots of stuff on display, much of which you can touch, and excellent photographs and audio- visual displays. Don't miss the simulated bomb test from a recreated bunker; it made me shudder. The museum is a Smithsonian affiliate, and even though I work for the SI, I don't get a commission if you visit it :-) Lastly, make sure to grab a burger and fries at one of the many In n' Out joints in the area. Take a detour if need be. Seriously. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
On 4 Jan 2014, at 08:17, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: [...] Another place I'd encourage you to visit, though not for photography, is the National Atomic Testing Museum, also a few minutes drive from the Strip. They have a huge exhibit chronicling the history of that endearing desire humans have to blow shit up with atomic bombs. Lots of stuff on display, much of which you can touch, and excellent photographs and audio- visual displays. Don't miss the simulated bomb test from a recreated bunker; it made me shudder. The museum is a Smithsonian affiliate, and even though I work for the SI, I don't get a commission if you visit it :-) Lastly, make sure to grab a burger and fries ...with mushrooms. And for pudding, a bombe surprise. B at one of the many In n' Out joints in the area. Take a detour if need be. Seriously. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:35 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I recall the photo well. It's a classic and more than deserving of being chosen. Rather interesting that they will be using a photo taken on their first gen body with a mere 6.3 megapixels... ;-) That gave them pause, but I showed them what it looked like carefully up scaled to 50 meg. I believe their lab took it up another couple of steps. Paul Great photo; congrats, Paul! Cheers, Frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Mont Saint Michel
A twin of Holy Island, too: http://www.web-options.com/Grim/content/P0300464_large.html B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C Not that obscure is it? A twin of St. Michael's Mount. Very well captured. The trees growing at an angle are evidence of continual westerlies. Alan C -Original Message- From: Rick Womer Another obscure French landmark, on a cold and blustery March day: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17641599size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17641599-lg.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Hi Paul, I remember well that photo. Big congrats! Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
I went to Fire Valley or The valley of Fire, i forget what the actual name is, not to far from Vegas. Great spot for photo ops. Dave On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Anyone been to Las Vegas in recent memory? Know any good photo spots, in town, or out? Going with a friend in about a week (big electronic show), and haven't been there since I was about 15. I am not a gambler. I will visit the show for a while, but it's not really my thing. Googling I have found: Valley of Fire (red rock formations, 1 hour north), Goodsprings (ghost town, 30 minutes south), and in Las Vegas itself: a mock Venetian street with water and gondolas, a mock Eiffel tower, a mock Sphinx, and a neon sign boneyard (junk yard of old Las Vegas signs). Sometimes people on this list know where to shoot. Anything I've missed? Or shouldn't miss? Thanks in advance, Marnie aka Doe :-) Probably no one on this list has been there at all recently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
Sat Jan 4 00:12:06 EST 2014 David Mann wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:36 pm, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: 4. I second Ken's suggestion for Red Rock Park. I don't have my photos posted, but my wife has a bunch from almost exactly a year ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jprusakova/sets/72157632470167704/ Is that your Lambo? :) Cheers, Dave No, that's my 2-y.o. daughter's who is standing next to it. ... just kidding. The car owner was proud that a picture of his car staying next to my daughter was taken! ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
Marnie got the Red Rock recommendation from me at least a week ago so I think she might get over there ann On 1/4/2014 03:17, Miserere wrote: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Sorry, I didn't see this question until now. I hope it is not too late. While I like Venetian and went there many times, I didn't find it that interesting to photograph. Here is what I'd recommend: 1. Within Vegas, I would recommend going to the Secret Garden Dolphin Habitat in Mirage. 2. Street views of and from Belagio - in the evening when the musical fountain in front of it is playing. (Every hour? or half-an-hour? check the hotel's website for the schedule/) 3. Also, inside Belagio, there is a nice area that is called Conservatory and Botanical Gardens: http://www.bellagio.com/attractions/botanical-garden.aspx Their holiday display there is only until January 5, but even beyond that, you might catch some nice photos. 4. I second Ken's suggestion for Red Rock Park. I don't have my photos posted, but my wife has a bunch from almost exactly a year ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jprusakova/sets/72157632470167704/ Cheers, Igor - Original Message - From: Eactivist at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Las Vegas Photo Spots? Anyone been to Las Vegas in recent memory? Know any good photo spots, in town, or out? Going with a friend in about a week (big electronic show), and haven't been there since I was about 15. I am not a gambler. I will visit the show for a while, but it's not really my thing. Googling I have found: Valley of Fire (red rock formations, 1 hour north), Goodsprings (ghost town, 30 minutes south), and in Las Vegas itself: a mock Venetian street with water and gondolas, a mock Eiffel tower, a mock Sphinx, and a neon sign boneyard (junk yard of old Las Vegas signs). Sometimes people on this list know where to shoot. Anything I've missed? Or shouldn't miss? Thanks in advance, Marnie aka Doe :-) Probably no one on this list has been there at all recently. I think by now it's clear you should go to Red Rock Park. Whether you walk it or drive it, it's very nice and accessible. Another place I'd encourage you to visit, though not for photography, is the National Atomic Testing Museum, also a few minutes drive from the Strip. They have a huge exhibit chronicling the history of that endearing desire humans have to blow shit up with atomic bombs. Lots of stuff on display, much of which you can touch, and excellent photographs and audio- visual displays. Don't miss the simulated bomb test from a recreated bunker; it made me shudder. The museum is a Smithsonian affiliate, and even though I work for the SI, I don't get a commission if you visit it :-) Lastly, make sure to grab a burger and fries at one of the many In n' Out joints in the area. Take a detour if need be. Seriously. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Excellent! well done Paul. Good on Ricoh... Chris On 2 January 2014 20:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
Sat Jan 4 03:17:47 EST 2014 Miserere wrote: Lastly, make sure to grab a burger and fries at one of the many In n' Out joints in the area. Take a detour if need be. Seriously. Miserere, First, Marine lives in California, where In-n-Outs are present. Second, having lived in Southern California for many years, and having eaten at In-n-Out many times, I've never figured out why such a hype. They have good quality burgers, but nothing so outstanding to have a detour. I know it's a cult place, which even includes its own trademarked lingo of the secret menu that is not posted at the restaurants, but available on the website: http://www.in-n-out.com/menu/not-so-secret-menu.aspx ... and the locations page on their website is broken: http://shop.in-n-out.com/locations.aspx ... and by the management's orders you can no longer get 100x100: http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060125050438458 ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Cotty's just looking for reassurance that his hat might stay on his head rather than landing on his plate. On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Miserere wrote: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. Thanks Cotty. Many of us on this list have been making and blogging this very same point for years (though some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax). As for the comment on 16MP sensors and 16x20 prints, I've made some lovely prints of that size from K10D files, and as Paul Stenquist reminded us this week, you can print enormous, camera show worthy photographs from a 6MP file. Reichmann's article is old news -- a lot of the photography world figured all this out 6 years ago or more. Welcome to the past, Michael! Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Las Vegas Photo Spots?
Hoover Dam is nearby. I think you can still drive across it, even though they've built a new bypass. On 1/4/2014 9:07 AM, David J Brooks wrote: I went to Fire Valley or The valley of Fire, i forget what the actual name is, not to far from Vegas. Great spot for photo ops. Dave On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Anyone been to Las Vegas in recent memory? Know any good photo spots, in town, or out? Going with a friend in about a week (big electronic show), and haven't been there since I was about 15. I am not a gambler. I will visit the show for a while, but it's not really my thing. Googling I have found: Valley of Fire (red rock formations, 1 hour north), Goodsprings (ghost town, 30 minutes south), and in Las Vegas itself: a mock Venetian street with water and gondolas, a mock Eiffel tower, a mock Sphinx, and a neon sign boneyard (junk yard of old Las Vegas signs). Sometimes people on this list know where to shoot. Anything I've missed? Or shouldn't miss? Thanks in advance, Marnie aka Doe :-) Probably no one on this list has been there at all recently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On 1/4/2014 3:02 AM, Miserere wrote: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. Thanks Cotty. Many of us on this list have been making and blogging this very same point for years (though some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax). As for the comment on 16MP sensors and 16x20 prints, I've made some lovely prints of that size from K10D files, and as Paul Stenquist reminded us this week, you can print enormous, camera show worthy photographs from a 6MP file. Reichmann's article is old news -- a lot of the photography world figured all this out 6 years ago or more. Welcome to the past, Michael! Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Opinions on DA 17-70 f4
Mark, While several PDMLers have already responded to your question, I will add my impression. I wrote about this lens a few times earlier here. Here is my message from half a year ago: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2013-July/352571.html You can see other opinions on the same thread. Hope this helps, Igor On 12/30/2013 6:07 PM, Mark C wrote: I'm thinking about getting a DA 17-70 f4 as an upgrade to my DA 16-45 f4. Mostly looking for a little more reach and less gap between the long end and the short end of the telephoto zoom that I usually carry with it. I don't really need an f2.8 lens and, besides, they are not much longer than the one I have. Does anyone have any experience wit this lens? The user reviews I have stumbled into seem to be inconsistent. Photozone.de gives it fairly high marks... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Hi Paul, Congrats! I remember this photo very well, - I've seen it here, on PDML, and remember seeing it on PG. I am honored to have argued on Photography-related issues with you. :-) Cheers, Igor On 2 Jan 2014, at 20:35, Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: ...will include one of my photos..Birmingham Gentleman.. The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it.s been seen here before. It.s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I.d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: On 1/4/2014 3:02 AM, Miserere wrote: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. Thanks Cotty. Many of us on this list have been making and blogging this very same point for years (though some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax). As for the comment on 16MP sensors and 16x20 prints, I've made some lovely prints of that size from K10D files, and as Paul Stenquist reminded us this week, you can print enormous, camera show worthy photographs from a 6MP file. Reichmann's article is old news -- a lot of the photography world figured all this out 6 years ago or more. Welcome to the past, Michael! Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. But John, that's what the Internet is for! Bad boy for wanting FF, bad boy. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: On 1/4/2014 3:02 AM, Miserere wrote: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. Thanks Cotty. Many of us on this list have been making and blogging this very same point for years (though some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax). As for the comment on 16MP sensors and 16x20 prints, I've made some lovely prints of that size from K10D files, and as Paul Stenquist reminded us this week, you can print enormous, camera show worthy photographs from a 6MP file. Reichmann's article is old news -- a lot of the photography world figured all this out 6 years ago or more. Welcome to the past, Michael! Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. On a more serious note, the issue I've come across most is photographers claiming they couldn't do the photography they wanted without FF, when they damn well could, just fine, with APS-C, but a few outspoken folks had convinced them otherwise. I don't think we have any of those on this list, but they are abundant on that other forum. I've had non-photographers ask me about what DSLR they should buy to take better photos of their kids, who felt bad they were slumming by buying an APS-C camera because they'd read on the Internet that FF was a requisite for taking good photos. THAT is what annoys the hell out of me, John, not you *wanting* a FF. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Snowy Way to Work
I took a little time going to work yesterday. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17644148size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17644148-lg.jpg (K-5, FA 28/2.8) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Like a good wine, you're getting better as you age, Paul :-). Terrific news, excellent photograph, a great person behind the camera. My pleasure and honor to know you even if only as an online person and a voice over the phone. Boris On 1/2/2014 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Interesting read indeed, Cotty. And a litmus test too... Speaking of litmus, we have now a proper photography store in Tel Aviv. Paid it a visit few days ago and got to handle Canon 6D with 24-70/2.8L... The camera is fab, the lens is out of my desire zone... Boris On 1/4/2014 12:00 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/full_frame_myth.shtml Interesting read. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On 1/2/2014 6:27 PM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/goodbye-cameras.html Darren, have you held in your hands Panasonic GM1 and the pancake kit zoom lens? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
On 1/3/2014 7:41 AM, Miserere wrote: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Both are signs of the impending apocalypse, no doubt. Cheers, If, as the prophecy has it, the K-3's with 18-35/1.8 attached will starting falling out of the (not so) blue sky, the outcome may be rather devastating indeed. Cheek planted firmly in teeth... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/2/2014 6:27 PM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/goodbye-cameras.html Darren, have you held in your hands Panasonic GM1 and the pancake kit zoom lens? Yeah, I have (renting one right now from lensrentals.com along with a buttload of other bodies and lenses to test out the m43 line), not sure what your point is. Nice camera (usable, unlike the other m43 midgets because it has a dial in back), but in some ways not as good as my Canon G1X (less zoom, smaller aperture wide). I would almost buy the G2X sight unseen if it has an F2 lens, usable macro, and a slightly better sensor. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. On 1/4/2014 8:54 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/2/2014 6:27 PM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/goodbye-cameras.html Darren, have you held in your hands Panasonic GM1 and the pancake kit zoom lens? Yeah, I have (renting one right now from lensrentals.com along with a buttload of other bodies and lenses to test out the m43 line), not sure what your point is. Nice camera (usable, unlike the other m43 midgets because it has a dial in back), but in some ways not as good as my Canon G1X (less zoom, smaller aperture wide). I would almost buy the G2X sight unseen if it has an F2 lens, usable macro, and a slightly better sensor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Snowy Way to Work
Beautiful and sombre, Rick. Well done. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I took a little time going to work yesterday. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17644148size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17644148-lg.jpg (K-5, FA 28/2.8) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
I'm floored by the price of a new DA*16-50 - 1296.95 - I got mine way back when for less than half that ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DPReview readers love the K-3 Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
Well, as Pentax/Ricoh perceive themselves getting higher up the market ladder, they rack up the prices... Sigma is how much - like USD 800 MSRP? But that's beside the point. I believe that DA*16-50 is priced similarly to 17-55/2.8 offerings from Canon and Nikon. I've just looked up prices on BH: Nikkor 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,300 imported, USD 1,400 USA. Canon 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,180 imported, USD 880 USA (there seems to be some kind of a sale on this very lens). But Pentax sits right there with the big boys... Well, if the net rages about K-3, it is time to cut some cabbage is we say in Russian :-). On 1/4/2014 9:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I'm floored by the price of a new DA*16-50 - 1296.95 - I got mine way back when for less than half that ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DPReview readers love the K-3 Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dos Pesos : but only one cat
Nicely captured fire escapes Ann. Playful looking cat ! Nice work. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Subject: dos Pesos : but only one cat Not a cat - http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ/1/2999793989_tVwRK4J/Medium http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Just-Fluffy/32302831_33vJ8T#!i=2999726682k=MZL3knslb=1s=A Listed both on the cafepress market place as well as here.. cross your fingers folks. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crane worker takes photos
Some stunning shots there. I couldn't be coerced up there, but kudos to him. :-) On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/12/31/wei-gensheng-gets-cranes-eye-view-shanghai-2000-feet-high/ He sure has a heck of a vantage point! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Stained Glass
Honestly, I'm scratching my head over this one, Attila. It doesn't grab me but I love the colour in the illuminated window and the walls. I'm not sure what's bothering me -- I think it must be the two dark windows. I'd have tried zooming in on just the single light window and surroundings, myself. Sorry, probably just me. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to put PESO in the subject, sorry for that. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Looks nice and quite different when backlit. http://500px.com/photo/56632278 K3 with DA* 16-50mm (no problems with SDM, although it was sitting on a shelf for some months). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. Not to mention: sharpness, contrast, colour, and all the other quite significant qualities that precision glass has over plastic lenses. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
I think that's Cole's Law. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, as Pentax/Ricoh perceive themselves getting higher up the market ladder, they rack up the prices... Sigma is how much - like USD 800 MSRP? But that's beside the point. I believe that DA*16-50 is priced similarly to 17-55/2.8 offerings from Canon and Nikon. I've just looked up prices on BH: Nikkor 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,300 imported, USD 1,400 USA. Canon 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,180 imported, USD 880 USA (there seems to be some kind of a sale on this very lens). But Pentax sits right there with the big boys... Well, if the net rages about K-3, it is time to cut some cabbage is we say in Russian :-). On 1/4/2014 9:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I'm floored by the price of a new DA*16-50 - 1296.95 - I got mine way back when for less than half that ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DPReview readers love the K-3 Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
Aahz, I have to very respectfully disagree. Have a look on Voigtlander Nokton 40/1.4. Given its speed, it is positively very small. And to boot it naturally covers the so called full frame. The Pentax 40/2.8 pancake is also very small. So you can have small (not iPhone small though) lenses and cameras... On 1/4/2014 9:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
I'm totally LOLing right now... On 1/4/2014 9:32 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I think that's Cole's Law. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, as Pentax/Ricoh perceive themselves getting higher up the market ladder, they rack up the prices... Sigma is how much - like USD 800 MSRP? But that's beside the point. I believe that DA*16-50 is priced similarly to 17-55/2.8 offerings from Canon and Nikon. I've just looked up prices on BH: Nikkor 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,300 imported, USD 1,400 USA. Canon 17-55/2.8 - USD 1,180 imported, USD 880 USA (there seems to be some kind of a sale on this very lens). But Pentax sits right there with the big boys... Well, if the net rages about K-3, it is time to cut some cabbage is we say in Russian :-). On 1/4/2014 9:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I'm floored by the price of a new DA*16-50 - 1296.95 - I got mine way back when for less than half that ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DPReview readers love the K-3 Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
Bruce, let me suggest to you ever so humbly that the precision of execution has nothing to with material used... On 1/4/2014 9:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. Not to mention: sharpness, contrast, colour, and all the other quite significant qualities that precision glass has over plastic lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Boris PESO #1 and seasonal greetings
Hello there :-). Here's a quick grab I made yesterday: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-01-etude.html It had to be very quick indeed. In fact, one might say I missed the perfect timing as the sun was setting down... And of course - happy new 2014 year! Let is be peaceful and healthy. Let it is be bright and full of great photographic opportunities. Let it be great! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Pacific Sunset
The nearly missed gulls at the bottom complete the scene. They're another image in themselves. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: PESO - Pacific Sunset The nearly missed gulls at the bottom complete the scene. Beautiful mood, Bob. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:37 PM Subject: PESO - Pacific Sunset Enjoy a warm sunset with me here in San Diego... http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17642007size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
On 1/3/2014 7:41 AM, Miserere wrote: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Both are signs of the impending apocalypse, no doubt. Cheers, You can start worrying when you see 4 of these coming over the horizon: http://www.adorama.com/HM21412.html B If, as the prophecy has it, the K-3's with 18-35/1.8 attached will starting falling out of the (not so) blue sky, the outcome may be rather devastating indeed. Cheek planted firmly in teeth... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
Excellent! Let me know when your balsa wood jetliner is ready for its maiden voyage and I shall be there with my K-3 to document it. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, let me suggest to you ever so humbly that the precision of execution has nothing to with material used... On 1/4/2014 9:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. Not to mention: sharpness, contrast, colour, and all the other quite significant qualities that precision glass has over plastic lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #1 and seasonal greetings
Gorgeous, Boris! And my wishes for an enlightening 2014 to you too. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there :-). Here's a quick grab I made yesterday: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-01-etude.html It had to be very quick indeed. In fact, one might say I missed the perfect timing as the sun was setting down... And of course - happy new 2014 year! Let is be peaceful and healthy. Let it is be bright and full of great photographic opportunities. Let it be great! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. There weren't legions of brainwashed folks trying to convince each other that their 35mm SLRs were inadequate for anything but quick snaps and they couldn't possibly consider tripping the shutter on anything less than a medium format. It's just gotten to be like the -- now almost forgotten -- SUV craze where you couldn't be seen driving to work in anything smaller than a Hummer. Surely you can buy whatever vehicle you feel you want to, but I reserve the right to think you're daft if you decide that a road grader is appropriate transportation for daily commuting. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Way to go Paul! If I remember correctly, it along with some others of yours were included in the 'Premiere Collection'. Are they doing anything other than including you name with the image ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: The Pentax CES Display... ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. Not to mention: sharpness, contrast, colour, and all the other quite significant qualities that precision glass has over plastic lenses. No reason a phone can't have nice glass, cost of materials keeps going down over time. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. Pretty sure the Internet was only a dream in 1969 when the 67 was introduced. In 1984 when the 645 was released the Internet was a very small network and didn't yet include AOL. Not even the first spam had been mailed by then. But okay, I suppose fanboyism has been around forever. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
They provide pro service and have loaned some lenses, so I'm happy to provide the photo. I'm liking the Ricoh marketing people. They've gone to bat for me with CRIS and the Pentax old guard. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Way to go Paul! If I remember correctly, it along with some others of yours were included in the 'Premiere Collection'. Are they doing anything other than including you name with the image ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: The Pentax CES Display... ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. Of course negative size and sensor size aren't the same thing. In theory, one can pack a lot of pixels on a sensor of modest size, whereas the size of the film is the size of the film. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Stained Glass
Thanks, Bruce, it's a good critique. What I really liked was the illuminated window, I tried to position myself so that all tree of them would be illuminated, but that's not possible. I literally hit a wall. Failing to do that I tried to show the contrast between illuminated and dark windows. Maybe 1 illuminated doesn't have enough visual weight vs. 2 dark. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I'm scratching my head over this one, Attila. It doesn't grab me but I love the colour in the illuminated window and the walls. I'm not sure what's bothering me -- I think it must be the two dark windows. I'd have tried zooming in on just the single light window and surroundings, myself. Sorry, probably just me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Snowy Way to Work
Nice photo, I like those shadows. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I took a little time going to work yesterday. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17644148size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17644148-lg.jpg (K-5, FA 28/2.8) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. Pretty sure the Internet was only a dream in 1969 when the 67 was introduced. Yeah, but the film era lasted, for most of us, up until the early years of the 21st century. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Paul Stenquist wrote: Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. Of course negative size and sensor size aren't the same thing. In theory, one can pack a lot of pixels on a sensor of modest size, whereas the size of the film is the size of the film. Sensor size and film size are very similar; packing more pixels into a given area is like switching to finer grained film. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #1 and seasonal greetings
I like the layers of mountains and the nice sky. In the overcast winter days, it's a rare sight here. Happy New Year! On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there :-). Here's a quick grab I made yesterday: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-01-etude.html It had to be very quick indeed. In fact, one might say I missed the perfect timing as the sun was setting down... And of course - happy new 2014 year! Let is be peaceful and healthy. Let it is be bright and full of great photographic opportunities. Let it be great! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On 4/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: some of you guys continue to yearn for a FF Pentax) Because I can ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On 4/1/14, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Speaking of litmus, we have now a proper photography store in Tel Aviv. Ah but is it kosher?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On 4/1/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: Surely you can buy whatever vehicle you feel you want to, but I reserve the right to think you're daft if you decide that a road grader is appropriate transportation for daily commuting. That's just ridiculous!! You'd never need anything more than a dozer. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. But that was well before the Internet and fanboyism. Um, no it wasn't. Of course negative size and sensor size aren't the same thing. In theory, one can pack a lot of pixels on a sensor of modest size, whereas the size of the film is the size of the film. Sensor size and film size are very similar; packing more pixels into a given area is like switching to finer grained film. But the same emulsions were offered for both large and small negatives. There 's no flexibility. Paul -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm thinking since I already have the DA* 16-50, would it really make sense to also get the Sigma? Given the same focal range, is it really better? That USB dock looks like a very good idea, focus calibrating zooms is a nuisance for me. They require different adjustments on wide and long ends, and I have to make a compromise. I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. In that case my question would be, when will it be in stock:) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell On 4/1/14, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Speaking of litmus, we have now a proper photography store in Tel Aviv. Ah but is it kosher?? of course not - photo shops are subject to canon law. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Attila Boros wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm thinking since I already have the DA* 16-50, would it really make sense to also get the Sigma? Given the same focal range, is it really better? That USB dock looks like a very good idea, focus calibrating zooms is a nuisance for me. They require different adjustments on wide and long ends, and I have to make a compromise. The only reason to get the Sigma 18-35 is if F2.8 isn't wide enough for you. A zoom F1.8 is pretty amazing, but as you say, the focal length range is more limited. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: On 1/4/2014 9:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. Aahz, I have to very respectfully disagree. Have a look on Voigtlander Nokton 40/1.4. Given its speed, it is positively very small. And to boot it naturally covers the so called full frame. The Pentax 40/2.8 pancake is also very small. So you can have small (not iPhone small though) lenses and cameras... The Nokton's far too big for someone to just carry around. You can't stick that in your pocket. The Pentax barely fits (once you add the required camera), and it's not full-frame. Again, only people who care about DOF, macro, or large prints want anything more than a phone camera these days. (Okay, low-light, too.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Swinging out in Red Rocks ...
A question from Marnie about LV reminded me that I had a photo taken at the Red Rock Park that was posted online. It was not perfect technically (for a variety of reasons, objective and subjective), - but it was still a fun setting. Looking at it now, I am thinkging that it could also be sharpened a bit. http://42graphy.org/swing/lvfx/_IR00847.html This was shot just before the beginning of Las Vegas Fusion Exchange (a large dance festival), exactly a year ago, and this couple are indeed dancers. All comments are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. Have you compared teh Sigma and the 16-50? The latter, when properly assembled, has very good image quality. Paul On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Another dpreview poll!
DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
My Sony RX100II is truly pocket-able and has an integrated 28/1.8 equivalent lens, the Panasonic is very small but you still need to add a lens but in both cases neither are even close to replacing an SLR for so many types of photography that I do. I use the camera in my Android phone exensively too but again only within its limitations. You have to know what the gear can do in order to use it effectively, for most people a PS is sufficient and for an increasing many the camera in their phone has proved to be more than adequate but that's not going to make top end DSLRs any less relevant. On 5 January 2014 06:32, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Aahz, I have to very respectfully disagree. Have a look on Voigtlander Nokton 40/1.4. Given its speed, it is positively very small. And to boot it naturally covers the so called full frame. The Pentax 40/2.8 pancake is also very small. So you can have small (not iPhone small though) lenses and cameras... On 1/4/2014 9:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote: My point is that miniaturization is reaching yet another level. And this camera unlike iPhone's and plethora of Android devices is seriously real deal. Yes and no -- real glass requires real weight and bulk. I agree that most people (who don't care about DOF, macro, or large prints) will stick with phone cameras. No surprise, really. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
Paul my mainstay lenses are now all Sigma, 10-20/3.5, 17-50/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 50/1.4, they are all fast and quiet using HSM focusing, they are very well built and have excellent image quality. Notably they are all far better value than their equivalent Pentax counterparts though none offer weather sealing (which is a non-issue for me). I still have 4 Limited lenses but apart from my 35/2.8LTD macro they only find their way into my kit for very specific purposes. I would like the Pentax 60-250/4 but I can't justify the price given its comparatively slow speed. On 5 January 2014 09:16, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. Have you compared teh Sigma and the 16-50? The latter, when properly assembled, has very good image quality. Paul On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Swinging out in Red Rocks ...
Works for me! Cheers, frank Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A question from Marnie about LV reminded me that I had a photo taken at the Red Rock Park that was posted online. It was not perfect technically (for a variety of reasons, objective and subjective), - but it was still a fun setting. Looking at it now, I am thinkging that it could also be sharpened a bit. http://42graphy.org/swing/lvfx/_IR00847.html This was shot just before the beginning of Las Vegas Fusion Exchange (a large dance festival), exactly a year ago, and this couple are indeed dancers. All comments are welcome. Igor “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Snowy Way to Work
Agree with Bruce and adopt his reasons. Cheers, frank Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful and sombre, Rick. Well done. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I took a little time going to work yesterday. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17644148size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17644148-lg.jpg (K-5, FA 28/2.8) Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #1 and seasonal greetings
That is beautiful! Perfectly timed, spare and simple composition, gorgeous colours. Couldn't be better imho. Cheers, frank Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there :-). Here's a quick grab I made yesterday: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-01-etude.html It had to be very quick indeed. In fact, one might say I missed the perfect timing as the sun was setting down... And of course - happy new 2014 year! Let is be peaceful and healthy. Let it is be bright and full of great photographic opportunities. Let it be great! Boris “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Stained Glass
I really like this one and I am not sure why. That single bright stained glass window against the two dark ones really works. Just lovely! Cheers, frank Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to put PESO in the subject, sorry for that. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Looks nice and quite different when backlit. http://500px.com/photo/56632278 K3 with DA* 16-50mm (no problems with SDM, although it was sitting on a shelf for some months). “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPReview readers love the K-3
I'm glad that works for you. My experience with Sigma was not positive, I need weather sealing, and I could never part with the. 60-250, best lens I've ever owned. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Paul my mainstay lenses are now all Sigma, 10-20/3.5, 17-50/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 50/1.4, they are all fast and quiet using HSM focusing, they are very well built and have excellent image quality. Notably they are all far better value than their equivalent Pentax counterparts though none offer weather sealing (which is a non-issue for me). I still have 4 Limited lenses but apart from my 35/2.8LTD macro they only find their way into my kit for very specific purposes. I would like the Pentax 60-250/4 but I can't justify the price given its comparatively slow speed. On 5 January 2014 09:16, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Attila, you have to realize that this Sigma has nothing on the market to compare it to. DA* 16-50 is a different lens. It has WR, it is wider and longer as far as zoom range goes, while Sigma boasts tremendous image quality and the USB dock so that you could play with your copy to your heart liking. I'm not buying Sigma and I'm not re-buying DA* 16-50. But I very much would like Pentax to do something rather unlimited and produce a lens that will compete with Sigma in IQ dept face to face. Have you compared teh Sigma and the 16-50? The latter, when properly assembled, has very good image quality. Paul On 1/3/2014 3:27 PM, Attila Boros wrote: Seems like Sigma is putting out some nice lenses lately. But this is bigger and heavier than the DA* 16-50mm, and has a smaller zoom range. Would like to see some comparison between the two lenses. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Also the lens of the year is sigma 18-35/1.8... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On January 3, 2014 4:55:31 AM Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in/11 The Pentax K-3 was an early front-runner in this poll, and blazed through to a convincing victory, garnering an impressive 31.4% of the total vote. Strangely, stablemates the K-50 and K-500 got almost no love, but the capable, innovative K-3 was your pick for best DSLR/SLT of 2013 by a landslide. Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Pentax CES Display...
Great to hear Paul! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: The Pentax CES Display... They provide pro service and have loaned some lenses, so I'm happy to provide the photo. I'm liking the Ricoh marketing people. They've gone to bat for me with CRIS and the Pentax old guard. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Way to go Paul! If I remember correctly, it along with some others of yours were included in the 'Premiere Collection'. Are they doing anything other than including you name with the image ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: The Pentax CES Display... ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth. Best, Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth' From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell On 4/1/14, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Speaking of litmus, we have now a proper photography store in Tel Aviv. Ah but is it kosher?? of course not - photo shops are subject to canon law. And I suppose you have to pay a pen - tax on goods bought there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
My K-5 is still my favorite camera, but a K-3 would likely change that perception pretty quickly. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Stained Glass
Thanks, Frank. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:49 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I really like this one and I am not sure why. That single bright stained glass window against the two dark ones really works. Just lovely! Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. No, he does math correctly, and knows the difference between percentage points and percent. 22% is 11 percentage points less than 33%. It is not 11% less. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
If you have two ten oz cups and fill one with three oz of water, the other with two oz of water, it is absolutely accurate to say that one has 30% more water in it than the other. That is exactly what I'm saying about the relative positions of the K-3 vs E-M1 in this stupid poll. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
Confusing to use percentages or percent points when comparing two percent figures. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. No, he does math correctly, and knows the difference between percentage points and percent. 22% is 11 percentage points less than 33%. It is not 11% less. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Goodbye, Cameras
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Most people don't care enough about photography to spend the money on a 77mm LTD anyway. And that why i have one Dave bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
But of you have ten buns and one guest takes two and the other takes three, one has ten percent more than the other. And here the votes are being counted as a percentage of the total. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: If you have two ten oz cups and fill one with three oz of water, the other with two oz of water, it is absolutely accurate to say that one has 30% more water in it than the other. That is exactly what I'm saying about the relative positions of the K-3 vs E-M1 in this stupid poll. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
I actually have pneumonia right now, so critical thinking is really not my strong suite today, but you are all actually correct. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Confusing to use percentages or percent points when comparing two percent figures. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. No, he does math correctly, and knows the difference between percentage points and percent. 22% is 11 percentage points less than 33%. It is not 11% less. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Confusing to use percentages or percent points when comparing two percent figures. Kind of hard to compare them without using one or the other, and the term percentage point is specifically intended to avoid confusion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: But of you have ten buns and one guest takes two and the other takes three, one has ten percent more than the other. Nope. One has 50% more than the other. I don't have the NYT Manual of Style and Usage, but the Google Books search reveals enough to be clear: Do not confuse percent and percentage point: If an interest rate rises to 11 percent from 10 percent, the increase is one percentage point, but 10 percent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting article on LL 'The Full-Frame Myth'
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: John wrote: I think some are still under the mistaken impression that what you NEED permits you to tell me what I'm allowed to *want*. What's interesting to me is that this nontroversy is new to digital. Back in the days of film I don't recall anyone who expressed interest in buying a Pentax 67 or 645 being told they they didn't need that much resolution or wouldn't print large enough to justify it. Do i want FF, no, do i need FF, no, what i need is more cow bell Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage_point On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: But of you have ten buns and one guest takes two and the other takes three, one has ten percent more than the other. Nope. One has 50% more than the other. I don't have the NYT Manual of Style and Usage, but the Google Books search reveals enough to be clear: Do not confuse percent and percentage point: If an interest rate rises to 11 percent from 10 percent, the increase is one percentage point, but 10 percent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: If you have two ten oz cups and fill one with three oz of water, the other with two oz of water, it is absolutely accurate to say that one has 30% more water in it than the other. We would have killed for ten oz cups Dave That is exactly what I'm saying about the relative positions of the K-3 vs E-M1 in this stupid poll. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
The K-5 has 62.5% of the available K so it must be a better camera. B On 5 Jan 2014, at 00:19, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: My K-5 is still my favorite camera, but a K-3 would likely change that perception pretty quickly. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The K-5 has 62.5% of the available K so it must be a better camera. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperkalemia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
That's true. But weren't we talking percentage points? Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage_point On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: But of you have ten buns and one guest takes two and the other takes three, one has ten percent more than the other. Nope. One has 50% more than the other. I don't have the NYT Manual of Style and Usage, but the Google Books search reveals enough to be clear: Do not confuse percent and percentage point: If an interest rate rises to 11 percent from 10 percent, the increase is one percentage point, but 10 percent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
My bad. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: But of you have ten buns and one guest takes two and the other takes three, one has ten percent more than the other. And here the votes are being counted as a percentage of the total. Paul via phone On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: If you have two ten oz cups and fill one with three oz of water, the other with two oz of water, it is absolutely accurate to say that one has 30% more water in it than the other. That is exactly what I'm saying about the relative positions of the K-3 vs E-M1 in this stupid poll. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: You have a funny way of doing math. 100% is the total. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Um, I have done the math. 22% is an approximately 30% lower rating than 33%. It's 11% less when considering a score of 100%, which NO camera will get. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No. It’s 33% for the EM1. 22% for the K-3. You have to do the math:-) The K-3 is my favorite camera nowadays. On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com. wrote: Um, it looks closer to 30% now. I don't see the point of the poll, but the E-M1 is my favorite camera nowadays. G On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Photo Annual 2014 submission form is live now
Me too, Ann. Feels good to tick off items on my ToDo list. :-) I only hope Bob's head doesn't blow off. I just watched Fellini's Satyricon and I'm pretty sure I've reached my limit for foreign decapitations. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Ok - I got mine in early this time One chore done! Only a few dozen more ann On 1/1/2014 08:02, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/pdmlbook.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Another dpreview poll!
They want me to login to vote. Sorry I wouldn't be a member of DPReview, I just don't see the need. On 1/4/2014 5:31 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: DPR is running another poll. The K-3 is trailing the EM1 by 10%. We can't have that, now can we? http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/03/which-is-the-best-of-the-best-vote-for-your-product-of-the-year-readers-poll Rally the troops! ;) -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
