RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of WILSON
> MICHAEL
[...]
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if you
> > don't
> > mind:
> >
> > https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> 
> Once I got into it (Noscript is pretty effective) I was somewhat
bamboozled.
> It seems to be a grotty way to display pictures - difficult to create a
coherent
> series of images when the viewer can click on anything they fancy from the
> thumbnails.
> 

Isn't that true of all galleries? I mean, if you put up a gallery page the
viewer can click on any of the thumbnails - that's the point.

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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters
> 
> A problem I found was that when I clicked to open one of the thumbnails, I
> was then stuck with no way to get back to the thumbnail view - no
navigation
> arrows were visible.
> 
> A bit of investigation revealed that if I clicked the opened image, the
> thumbnails and navigation arrows re-appeared (I'm on Windows 7 & Firefox).
> This wasn't intuitive to me.
> 

I struggled with that too. A few years ago there was something called
'websites that suck'. One of the faults they criticized was 'mystery meat',
which meant not making the controls obvious and visible. Since the dawn of
smartphones and tablets mystery meat seems to be flavour of the month and I
think people have learned that everything is clickable, or at least that if
you don't know what else to do, try clicking something,

> Nice photosnaps though...

Thanks

> >
> > https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> >


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RE: Phonosnapographs

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 08:02 Bob W  wrote:
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of WILSON
> > MICHAEL
> [...]
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if you
> > > don't
> > > mind:
> > >
> > > https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> > 
> > Once I got into it (Noscript is pretty effective) I was somewhat
> bamboozled.
> > It seems to be a grotty way to display pictures - difficult to create a
> coherent
> > series of images when the viewer can click on anything they fancy from the
> > thumbnails.
> > 
> 
> Isn't that true of all galleries? I mean, if you put up a gallery page the
> viewer can click on any of the thumbnails - that's the point.

Yes but I read your request as calling it a presentation.  Blame MS again but a
presentation, to me, is quite a bit more than a gallery.  My misconception was
compounded by some of the pictures having text on them, leading me to expect
something more than picture display.  I have my reservations about thumbnail
galleries, too.  Some pictures seem to work much better than others as
thumbnails.

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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann
> 
> All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead.
> 

On the site? I don't understand that - are you looking at the right place?

> Bob, the site seemed to work but it feels like they're trying too hard.
And/or
> I'm too old.


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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

Thanks everybody - that's a fairly resounding 'No!' to Microsoft!

B

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[...]
> 
> I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if you don't
> mind:
> 
> https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> 


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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of WILSON
> MICHAEL
> > [...]
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if
> > > > you don't
> > > > mind:
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> > >
> > > Once I got into it (Noscript is pretty effective) I was somewhat
> > bamboozled.
> > > It seems to be a grotty way to display pictures - difficult to
> > > create a
> > coherent
> > > series of images when the viewer can click on anything they fancy
> > > from the thumbnails.
> > >
> >
> > Isn't that true of all galleries? I mean, if you put up a gallery page
> > the viewer can click on any of the thumbnails - that's the point.
> 
> Yes but I read your request as calling it a presentation.  Blame MS again
but a
> presentation, to me, is quite a bit more than a gallery.  My misconception
> was compounded by some of the pictures having text on them, leading me
> to expect something more than picture display.  I have my reservations
> about thumbnail galleries, too.  Some pictures seem to work much better
> than others as thumbnails.

Ah, I see. No, I meant 'the way they're presented'. I think they are
pitching it as a better Powerpoint though in some ways. You can include all
sorts of media and also use it a bit like a blog. I thought it might be
worth looking into as a way of showing pictures and text together rather
like an old-fashioned magazine layout, with the possibility of using it like
something between a blog and an online travel journal. I've just mucked
around with it a bit to demonstrate that - buy my god it's painful on the
laptop - much easier on the ipad. 

Anyway, the conclusion seems to be that it's a load of crap, and I'm not
about to argue with that.

Ta,
B

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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele
> 
> Bob -
> The first photo is so large in firefox at %100 that Ican't see the whole
thing...
> using the simple control+ or - it still resists my control.
> So I tried it in chrome and same thing... doesn't sway me ..
> Whatever else is going on with presentation that seems to be to be a bone
> fide glitch
> 

I think it's a feature, not a bug. Part of the style that Dave Mann says is
trying too hard. I find it rather disconcerting too.

B
> ann
> 
> 
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Bob W-PDML 
> > wrote:s
> >
> >> Microsoft have been releasing all sorts stuff recently including
something
> called Sway and something else called Docs.com.
> >>
> >> Seeing as I probably need to know something about this stuff
> professionally I've been playing around with them and put something
> together from a few snaps I have lying around on my phone.
> >>
> >> I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if you
don't
> mind:
> >>
> >> https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs
> >>


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Re: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other things

[John]

Please contact me off list with an address to mail a check as well, and 
I'll order a calendar too.


On 11/1/2015 12:26 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I'll write  details off list
- thanks, Jack  your order is in:-)
ann

On 10/31/2015 11:19 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Ann, I do want a calendar. Please let me know how you would like this
to work.
My pay Pal hasn't been used in so long that I doubt if it is active.
Please let me know how much and where to send the check.
Thanks! I just remembered to contact you.

Thanks,

Jack

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- Original Message -
From: "ann sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:19:55 PM
Subject: Re: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other
things

Ken -
Thanks and

good point about size I'll add that tothe smugmug listing  - it is there
on cafepress... it is the only size they make now.

It is the standard wall calendar size, each page printed on 8 1/2 x 11"
paper, landscape orientation, of course
so when hung for display it is 11 across and 17 " high

I know you recognized some of the locations :-)

ann

On 10/31/2015 10:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Very nice work Ann. I may have missed it but I see no mention as to
the size of the calendar.


-Original Message-

From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other things

So sorry for the repeat email for some of you - and I know this is
coals
to Newcastle ...and I showed the list the photos
already ... scroll down for the FS friday stuff that isn't the
calendar..

Here is a look  at the new one -
Kodachromes from two road trips in 1989 and 1992 to Alaska

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print/Up-the-Alcan-Wall-Calendar/



This year I'd really appreciate all of you who are planning to buy one
or more order them from me and make your _selection_
by November 15 - that way I can order the calendars, quality check each
one when I get them and mail signed calendars to you
in plenty of time for gift giving.  If there are problems with them on
the cafe press side I'll have time to get them reprinted... and
there won't be any calendars that start before January 2016 :-)

I say "selection"  because you can still order any of the other wall
calendars designed over the last 9 years from me.

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print

They are $19.00  each plus shipping USPS at the lowest rate I can get
depending on the number of calendars you order..
($3.00 if you only buy one.)

this listing of mine on ebay for inkpress paper (cheap)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201446875915?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


and this of possible interest..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191725338737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649



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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[Bob W-PDML]

I prefer the colour. The other is a bit bland, but would would respond well to 
more contrast, I think

B

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> Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.
> 
> B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
> shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/
> 
> Comments.??
> 
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Re: PESOs - Dark Angel

[P.J. Alling]

Those are nice shots, but how is that a costume, I know people who dress 
like that all year.


On 10/31/2015 8:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

Ready for trick or treating:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18119573=lg
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18119571=lg




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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[Paul]

I'd have to vote for the b/w over the color, though I'd like to see a 
litle subtle vignetting to lead my eye more down the path.  You might 
change my mind by adding a little more contrast to the color.  It looks 
a little bland, to me.  In either case, I'd like to be making my way 
down that path.  ;>}


-p

On 11/1/2015 9:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

Dave



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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[ann sanfedele]

You're just being contrary... all the smart money is on the color 
version ;-)


The softness of the light , lack of contrast in the color is a plus to 
me.. appropriate for his overcast day.


ann

On 11/1/2015 2:07 PM, Paul wrote:
I'd have to vote for the b/w over the color, though I'd like to see a 
litle subtle vignetting to lead my eye more down the path.  You might 
change my mind by adding a little more contrast to the color.  It 
looks a little bland, to me.  In either case, I'd like to be making my 
way down that path.  ;>}


-p

On 11/1/2015 9:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

Dave






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Re: Phonosnapographs

[ann sanfedele]

appears??

ann, geezerette

On 11/1/2015 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

A couple of questions:

Has anyone tried viewing this on a smartphone, which is what it
appears to be made for?

Bob, would you care to get the impression of my students on this
thing? I could have them check it out in class tomorrow. They may be
closer to the target demographic than the population that makes up the
PDML and appears to be tending toward geezerdom ;-)
  



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Re: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other things

[ann sanfedele]

Be right there, John
Thanks!

ann

On 11/1/2015 10:54 AM, John wrote:
Please contact me off list with an address to mail a check as well, 
and I'll order a calendar too.


On 11/1/2015 12:26 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I'll write  details off list
- thanks, Jack  your order is in:-)
ann

On 10/31/2015 11:19 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Ann, I do want a calendar. Please let me know how you would like this
to work.
My pay Pal hasn't been used in so long that I doubt if it is active.
Please let me know how much and where to send the check.
Thanks! I just remembered to contact you.

Thanks,

Jack

1450 Eden Way
Yuba City, CA 95993

- Original Message -
From: "ann sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:19:55 PM
Subject: Re: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other
things

Ken -
Thanks and

good point about size I'll add that tothe smugmug listing  - it is 
there

on cafepress... it is the only size they make now.

It is the standard wall calendar size, each page printed on 8 1/2 x 11"
paper, landscape orientation, of course
so when hung for display it is 11 across and 17 " high

I know you recognized some of the locations :-)

ann

On 10/31/2015 10:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Very nice work Ann. I may have missed it but I see no mention as to
the size of the calendar.


-Original Message-

From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: FS Friday - Up the Alcan calendar and a couple of other 
things


So sorry for the repeat email for some of you - and I know this is
coals
to Newcastle ...and I showed the list the photos
already ... scroll down for the FS friday stuff that isn't the
calendar..

Here is a look  at the new one -
Kodachromes from two road trips in 1989 and 1992 to Alaska

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print/Up-the-Alcan-Wall-Calendar/ 





This year I'd really appreciate all of you who are planning to buy 
one

or more order them from me and make your _selection_
by November 15 - that way I can order the calendars, quality check 
each

one when I get them and mail signed calendars to you
in plenty of time for gift giving.  If there are problems with 
them on

the cafe press side I'll have time to get them reprinted... and
there won't be any calendars that start before January 2016 :-)

I say "selection"  because you can still order any of the other wall
calendars designed over the last 9 years from me.

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Calendars-in-Print

They are $19.00  each plus shipping USPS at the lowest rate I can get
depending on the number of calendars you order..
($3.00 if you only buy one.)

this listing of mine on ebay for inkpress paper (cheap)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201446875915?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 




and this of possible interest..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191725338737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 





ann
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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[P.J. Alling]

On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:

On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



knarf wrote:

Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.


Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
fun shot.

I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
is "sharper".



I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?




Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume 
that it would work with the K-3 as well.


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RE: Fighting enablement - lens choice question

[Malcolm Smith]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

> If you aren’t going to use it, maybe you should send it back? Where are
> your priorities?!?

Exactly where my wife left them!

Malcolm


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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[ann sanfedele]

The color, by a mile for me

ann

On 11/1/2015 10:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

Dave




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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[John]

On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



knarf wrote:

Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.


Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
fun shot.

I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
is "sharper".



I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?


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SEmi OT - smugmug (or other sites) and presentation on line

[ann sanfedele]

Smugmug caused me no small amount of grief when they "improved" the site 
- again, probably due to eagerness to make things
work better on a phone or pad and screw those of us who only have "real" 
computers :-)


But working on my new calendar I found a way to do it their wayand mine 
.  Figuring that the default smugmug appearance
of little thumbnails on the left and the first photo enlarged on the 
right was hard to see on a phone, I used something called
"collage landscape" - and because I captioned all the photos for 
printing each photo is the same size(the white border could be slightly 
different depending on photo, but the outside dimension remains the 
same.) .


This resulted in my seeing 4 across on a row and no need to scroll to 
see all 12 photos , though at 100% in browser I need to scroll to see 
the cover...
A programmer at smugmug wrote some code to take the annoying floatover 
caption off the photos when you are viewing the photo enlarged...

it still comes up floating over the thumbs...

I also noted that two who wanted to order a calendar were looking at the 
photos on their phones and both asked how to proceed to
order . That signaled me that the "Description" line on the gallery was 
either not showing up or was too small or faint to read.. sooo
I have now changed the font to BOLD in the description line and added 
the calendar size more specifically too


DOes that help?

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Re: Phonosnapographs

[John]

On 11/1/2015 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

A couple of questions:

Has anyone tried viewing this on a smartphone, which is what it
appears to be made for?

Bob, would you care to get the impression of my students on this
thing? I could have them check it out in class tomorrow. They may be
closer to the target demographic than the population that makes up the
PDML and appears to be tending toward geezerdom ;-)




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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[John]

On 11/1/2015 10:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

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The color image is more pleasing to my taste.

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Re: Phonosnapographs

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On 1 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> A couple of questions:
> 
> Has anyone tried viewing this on a smartphone, which is what it
> appears to be made for?

I've checked it in my iphone, ipad and laptop (windows 10). It would be 
interesting to hear other experiences.

> 
> Bob, would you care to get the impression of my students on this
> thing? I could have them check it out in class tomorrow. They may be
> closer to the target demographic than the population that makes up the
> PDML and appears to be tending toward geezerdom ;-)
> 

That would be very interesting, thanks.

I don't think they're _my_ target demographic, but you're right re Sway, I 
think. It's definitely designed for swiping and pinching rather than keyboard 
shortcuts...

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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

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On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> I prefer the colour. The other is a bit bland, but would would respond well 
> to more contrast, I think
>
> B

I'll have to check my in camera settings, i think i have it at + 1 for
contrast, may need to try +2 and see

Dave
>
>> On 1 Nov 2015, at 15:07, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.
>>
>> B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
>> shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/
>>
>> Comments.??
>>
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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[P.J. Alling]

I find that B renderings need a touch more contrast, compared to the 
color version.  That's something I didn't really notice all that much in 
the good ol' days of film.


On 11/1/2015 11:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

I prefer the colour. The other is a bit bland, but would would respond well to 
more contrast, I think

B

I'll have to check my in camera settings, i think i have it at + 1 for
contrast, may need to try +2 and see

Dave

On 1 Nov 2015, at 15:07, David J Brooks  wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

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Re: PESOs - Dark Angel

[David J Brooks]

Nice

Dave

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OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[David J Brooks]

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

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Re: PESO: Poke

[steve harley]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 18:18, John wrote:
> Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I
> mean other than the cost?

organic bananas are often a bit smaller and sometimes they ripen
differently (they can brown more before becoming overripe); i like them
because of how they are produced, not in monoculture, exposing workers
and land to fewer toxins; organic bananas aren't much more expensive
than conventional because it's expensive to chemically control the
diseases monoculture has encouraged

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Re: Copyright issues: What if you photograph someone with a copyrighted tattoo?

[P.J. Alling]

Then having read his recommendations, I became quiet peeved, as he runs 
roughshod over fair use in several cases.


On 11/1/2015 11:32 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I don't see how that's different than photographing a Copyrighted 
poster.  No real interesting questions here at all, the law is pretty 
much black letter.


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Some interesting questions arise!
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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 20:10 "P.J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2015 2:34 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:
> >> On 01 November 2015 at 16:45 "P.J. Alling" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:
> >>> On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>  knarf wrote:
> > Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
> > technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.
>  Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
>  kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
>  within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
>  fun shot.
> 
>  I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
>  sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
>  is "sharper".
> 
> >>> I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
> >>> cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
> >>> button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume
> >> that it would work with the K-3 as well.
> > Yes; either an af lens with the body in mf mode or a mf lens.  There is a
> > setting (do not release shutter unless in focus) that needs to be set
> > correctly
> > for the process to work or the shutter trips when you press the button.
> >
> I'd forgotten about that, it's on page 4 of the custom functions in the 
> K-5II menu.  Item #25 Catch-in focus must be set to 2, (on).
> 
> Now that you've reminded me I think it's the same on the K20D and the 
> *ist-D series of cameras as well.

Goes back to the Z1-p, at least.

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Re: Powerstation

[ann sanfedele]

Thats very nice- easy on the eyes, spot-on geometry - etc.  nit picking, 
I think

you increasing contrast may be what is blowing out the sky in the background
mainly the area above the people

ann

On 11/1/2015 3:45 PM, Bob W wrote:

Another phone snap, but this time presented entirely unplugged.

It's been the warmest November day on record over here, and Greenwich has
been surrounded by a low fog which hung above the ground and allowed the
sunshine through in a beautiful light which made everything seem unreal.
This is a snap, cropped and increased contrast in Lightroom, taken by the
coaling jetty at Greenwich power station:



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RE: Phonosnapographs

[John Coyle]

Interesting - a bit late to send messages to the Maquis though!

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W-PDML
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2015 04:54
To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss 
Subject: Phonosnapographs

Microsoft have been releasing all sorts stuff recently including something 
called Sway and something
else called Docs.com. 

Seeing as I probably need to know something about this stuff professionally 
I've been playing around
with them and put something together from a few snaps I have lying around on my 
phone. 

I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if you don't mind:

https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs

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Re: The workspace

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Interesting. I recalibrated my old iMac monitor again today to get it closer to 
the 5K Retina. I now have a tonality match, but the sharpness and richness 
difference is very obvious. Bought a new 72-inch long shell desk from Staples 
this week as well and tossed out the 72-inch folding table I’ve been using as a 
desk for about 20 years. The new desk required assembly of course and came with 
only crude illustrations rather than instructions but a few hours of study and 
work resulted in a very nice heavy-duty workspace. I think the desk is meant to 
be a two-person workspace in a sweat shop, but it serves my purpose well with 
plenty of room for eight hard drives, two 27-inch iMacs and a scanner. The 
printer resides on another nearby cabinet.

Paul
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, the display may not be the only thing responsible for
> the quality difference that you are seeing:
> 10-bit color:
> http://petapixel.com/2015/10/30/os-x-el-capitan-quietly-unlocked-10-bit-color-in-imacs-and-mac-pros/
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Glad you're setting up your system to implement a crisp complete system.
>> Hope it's a helping partner for a good long time, Paul!
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Paul Stenquist" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:56:59 PM
>> Subject: The workspace
>> 
>> I set up the iMac27 retina 5k this past weekend and calibrated it. TM backup 
>> effortlessly restored my apps and files and external drives were all picked 
>> up. With the i7 4 gig processor and 33 gigs of ram it flies. The fusion 3t 
>> drive with 128 gigs of SSD makes for speedy startups. My old iMac 27, a 2010 
>> I think, is working fine in target mode as a calibrated second monitor. 
>> Spyder Pro 4 had no problems calibrating it.
>> Had I known how rapidly Marlene's condition was going to deteriorate I might 
>> not have ordered new equipment a month ago. Then again, I have to continue 
>> to earn and that was becoming very difficult with the failings of the old 
>> computer.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117815=lg
>> 
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Re: Phonosnapographs

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On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Bob W  wrote:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann
>> 
>> All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead.
> 
> On the site? I don't understand that - are you looking at the right place?

I was replying to Bruce's comment about Lynx with a Matrix reference.

Obviously if that's all I'm seeing then I am most definitely looking at the 
right place.

Cheers,
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Re: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm Limited atf/11

[Rob Studdert]

There are apps specifically designed to produce similar results using
image bursts and it's actually not overly tedious to stack images in
LR, you can choose to have them auto-aligned too. Personally my
preference would be to have access to the images stack as discrete
images so that I could easily remedy any aberrations that were
introduced by subject movement.

I understand the theory but I think that there is way too much
emphasis put on the limited advantage leveraged by the PSR tech,
scaling down an image from a larger sensor will yield similar results.
The sample you provided a link to comes nowhere near filling my screen
so I'm not sure where a 5k screen would differ in the appraisal of
your samples?

Lastly if the scene lends its self to tripod shooting I tend to shoot
a pano sequence if I wish to generate a file with greater resolution,
again this takes very little effort to post process these days and
arguably yields a higher resolution file for the same data space.

Interesting inclusion none the less.

On 2 November 2015 at 11:17, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Appreciate the comments Rob. I'd be curious to know what Paul
> Stenquist sees on his new 5K Mac display. (See original post in this
> thread, if you are wanting a diversion, Paul). Just a guess, but I
> think he may see more than "subtle" differences.
>
> Regarding your 2nd paragraph, it would be difficult to duplicate PSR
> with just 4 shots. I'm no statistician, but PSR overcomes the Bayer
> array with its 4 precise shots. Simply put, taking a theoretical
> pixelsite-sized section of your overall image, any handheld shot you
> take has a 50% chance of being a green one, a 25% chance of being a
> red one, and a 25% chance of being a blue one. That does not equal
> 100% chance of getting that exact distribution with 4 random handheld
> shots.
>
> Also, you are going to have to deal with any subject movement from the
> time you take your first exposure to the time you end your last one
> (same problem for PSR).
> In any event, the point is that the camera takes care of your exercise
> FOR you. You don't HAVE to do the tedious combination of separate
> images that you describe. The camera does it for you. Although you can
> work with the huge RAW file yourself, if you wish. I have yet to
> experiment with that.
>
> That being said, I'd be interested in seeing what a burst of 8 shots
> at 8 fps would look like compared to PSR. Might have to put that on my
> list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
>> It's subtle but it's there, whether it's going to make a discernible
>> difference in a print for instance depends on crop size vs print size
>> I guess but it's a tool with very limited scope from my perspective
>> given the artifacts created when there is any movement in the frame.
>>
>> I have yet to test but I would assume that similar results would be
>> gained by shooting a series of four images using the high speed mode
>> then combining them in LR or some similarly capable package, there
>> would be sufficient camera shift between each shot to create a similar
>> effect I expect.
>>
>> On 25 October 2015 at 03:51, John  wrote:
>>> The lettering on the wire appears (to me) a tiny bit crisper in the
>>> pixel shift version.
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2015 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote:

 Am I missing something? Can't see a difference.

 Alan C

 -Original Message- From: Darren Addy
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:04 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm
 Limited atf/11

 My K-3II arrived today and so I had to try out the Pixel Shift
 Resolution during afternoon break. Found an obliging dusty rack of
 electrical wire that agreed to serve as my subject. The 77mm f/1.8
 limited is a very sharp lens (as anyone who has one will tell you).

 What you see in the link below is an image blown up to 100% (actual
 pixels). Each is an 863 pixel x 994 pixel crop of the full 6016 x 4000
 pixel image.

 Conditions: Same exposure (2 sec. f/11, ISO 100) focused manually,
 shutter fired with the 12 second self-timer. The only thing that
 changed between shots was that I turned on Pixel Shift Resolution
 (without moving anything). On the left is a standard out of camera
 JPEG and on the right the JPEG produced with Pixel Shift Resolution.

 Click on it with your browser cursor to see it at 100%:
 http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/PSRComparison.jpg

 At least for cooperative subjects, it looks (to me) like all my lenses
 just magically got significantly better.

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Re: PESOs - Dark Angel

[Larry Colen]

paul stenquist wrote:

Ready for trick or treating:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18119573=lg
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18119571=lg



I'll second Frank's comment on her growing up, I guess that someone 
around here has to do it and the usual suspects have proven unusually 
resistant.  How old is she now?


That is an excellent job on the costume. I love the black halo. Did she 
make it?  The photos don't really show the wings, which seem to be the 
most intricate part.


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Re: Phonosnapographs

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 14:15 Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 
> A couple of questions:
> 
> Has anyone tried viewing this on a smartphone, which is what it
> appears to be made for?
> 
> Bob, would you care to get the impression of my students on this
> thing? I could have them check it out in class tomorrow. They may be
> closer to the target demographic than the population that makes up the
> PDML and appears to be tending toward geezerdom ;-)

Don't you mean trending?

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Re: Phonosnapographs

[Mark Roberts]

A couple of questions:

Has anyone tried viewing this on a smartphone, which is what it
appears to be made for?

Bob, would you care to get the impression of my students on this
thing? I could have them check it out in class tomorrow. They may be
closer to the target demographic than the population that makes up the
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Re: Copyright issues: What if you photograph someone with a copyrighted tattoo?

[P.J. Alling]

I don't see how that's different than photographing a Copyrighted 
poster.  No real interesting questions here at all, the law is pretty 
much black letter.


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Some interesting questions arise!
http://improvephotography.com/35091/copyright-nightmare-taking-photos-of-people-with-tattoos/

  



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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

[P.J. Alling]

On 10/31/2015 4:49 PM, John wrote:

On 10/31/2015 4:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


On 10/30/2015 9:41 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 7:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


From: "Mark Roberts" 

If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos 
(hey, I

said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing, 
but my

favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

Painfully inept work!
Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it 
was a

joke at first.
It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't 
know
how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to 
do it

for you.

Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".

Indeed. I hadn't bothered looking at the rest of the site but you
appear to have got the gist of it.


Well crap, I can make my own press credentials, I was forced to for a
paper I worked for at one time.  No one ever questioned them.


But consider... would someone SO CLUELESS they can't even figure out 
how

to make a Blurb book for themselves be able to make them?


Ah, I see now! It's a Dunning-Kruger-based marketing strategy!




Could be. But is marketing the result of Dunning-Kruger or are
Dunning-Kruger individuals the target market segment?



I get the feeling that Dunning-Kruger couldn't be being used as a 
marketing strategy, because someone here seems to realize that they 
don't have any skills.


However it does seem to be a particularly "small con" Diploma mill. 
Press credentials not issued by the venue you're attempting to 
photograph in are particularly useless even if issued by a legitimate 
news organization.


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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[John]

I think the subject itself is a bit bland to benefit from B
conversion. Is there anything there that can only be seen or can be seen
better because of the B conversion?

If there is, I don't see it.

On 11/1/2015 11:11 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

I prefer the colour. The other is a bit bland, but would would respond well to 
more contrast, I think

B


On 1 Nov 2015, at 15:07, David J Brooks  wrote:

Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.

B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/

Comments.??

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RE: Phonosnapographs

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 20:22 Bob W  wrote:
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
> [...]
> > >
> > > Anyway, the conclusion seems to be that it's a load of crap, and I'm
> > > not about to argue with that.
> > >
> > > Ta,
> > > B
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > I had forgotten just how much I despise Powerpoint; the triumph of process
> > over content.
> 
> That's a sentence with 3 clauses - far too complex for me to understand.
> Could you break it down into bullet points, please?

Dum dums?

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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 16:45 "P.J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:
> > On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> knarf wrote:
> >>> Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
> >>> technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.
> >>
> >> Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
> >> kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
> >> within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
> >> fun shot.
> >>
> >> I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
> >> sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
> >> is "sharper".
> >>
> >
> > I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
> > cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
> > button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?
> >
> >
> 
> Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume 
> that it would work with the K-3 as well.

Yes; either an af lens with the body in mf mode or a mf lens.  There is a
setting (do not release shutter unless in focus) that needs to be set correctly
for the process to work or the shutter trips when you press the button.

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Re: Phonosnapographs

[John]

On 11/1/2015 4:46 AM, Bob W wrote:

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MICHAEL

[...]


I'd be interested to hear what you think of the presentation if
you don't
mind:

https://docs.com/BobWalkden/1478/phonosnapographs


Once I got into it (Noscript is pretty effective) I was somewhat

bamboozled.

It seems to be a grotty way to display pictures - difficult to
create a

coherent

series of images when the viewer can click on anything they fancy
from the thumbnails.



Isn't that true of all galleries? I mean, if you put up a gallery page
the viewer can click on any of the thumbnails - that's the point.


Yes but I read your request as calling it a presentation.  Blame MS again

but a

presentation, to me, is quite a bit more than a gallery.  My misconception
was compounded by some of the pictures having text on them, leading me
to expect something more than picture display.  I have my reservations
about thumbnail galleries, too.  Some pictures seem to work much better
than others as thumbnails.


Ah, I see. No, I meant 'the way they're presented'. I think they are
pitching it as a better Powerpoint though in some ways. You can include all
sorts of media and also use it a bit like a blog. I thought it might be
worth looking into as a way of showing pictures and text together rather
like an old-fashioned magazine layout, with the possibility of using it like
something between a blog and an online travel journal. I've just mucked
around with it a bit to demonstrate that - buy my god it's painful on the
laptop - much easier on the ipad.

Anyway, the conclusion seems to be that it's a load of crap, and I'm not
about to argue with that.

Ta,
B




I had forgotten just how much I despise Powerpoint; the triumph of
process over content.

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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[P.J. Alling]

On 11/1/2015 2:34 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:

On 01 November 2015 at 16:45 "P.J. Alling"  wrote:


On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:

On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


knarf wrote:

Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.

Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
fun shot.

I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
is "sharper".


I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?



Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume
that it would work with the K-3 as well.

Yes; either an af lens with the body in mf mode or a mf lens.  There is a
setting (do not release shutter unless in focus) that needs to be set correctly
for the process to work or the shutter trips when you press the button.

I'd forgotten about that, it's on page 4 of the custom functions in the 
K-5II menu.  Item #25 Catch-in focus must be set to 2, (on).


Now that you've reminded me I think it's the same on the K20D and the 
*ist-D series of cameras as well.


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RE: Phonosnapographs

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
[...]
> >
> > Anyway, the conclusion seems to be that it's a load of crap, and I'm
> > not about to argue with that.
> >
> > Ta,
> > B
> >
> 
> 
> I had forgotten just how much I despise Powerpoint; the triumph of process
> over content.

That's a sentence with 3 clauses - far too complex for me to understand.
Could you break it down into bullet points, please?

B

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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[P.J. Alling]

On 11/1/2015 3:42 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:

On 01 November 2015 at 20:10 "P.J. Alling"  wrote:


On 11/1/2015 2:34 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:

On 01 November 2015 at 16:45 "P.J. Alling" 
wrote:


On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:

On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

knarf wrote:

Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.

Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
fun shot.

I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
is "sharper".


I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?



Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume
that it would work with the K-3 as well.

Yes; either an af lens with the body in mf mode or a mf lens.  There is a
setting (do not release shutter unless in focus) that needs to be set
correctly
for the process to work or the shutter trips when you press the button.


I'd forgotten about that, it's on page 4 of the custom functions in the
K-5II menu.  Item #25 Catch-in focus must be set to 2, (on).

Now that you've reminded me I think it's the same on the K20D and the
*ist-D series of cameras as well.

Goes back to the Z1-p, at least.


I was talking about enabling it in a menu, did the PZ-1p have a menu 
setting?








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Re: Powerstation

[ann sanfedele]

'welks
a

On 11/1/2015 5:59 PM, Bob W wrote:

Thanks ann. I hadn't paid any attention to the blown-out sky, but I've been
into Lightroom and brought that down so it's not clipping any more, and it's
a big improvement - thanks.



B


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Thats very nice- easy on the eyes, spot-on geometry - etc.  nit picking, I

think

you increasing contrast may be what is blowing out the sky in the

background

mainly the area above the people

ann

On 11/1/2015 3:45 PM, Bob W wrote:

Another phone snap, but this time presented entirely unplugged.

It's been the warmest November day on record over here, and Greenwich
has been surrounded by a low fog which hung above the ground and
allowed the sunshine through in a beautiful light which made everything

seem unreal.

This is a snap, cropped and increased contrast in Lightroom, taken by
the coaling jetty at Greenwich power station:



B



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Re: World's worst photo tutorial

[John]

On 11/1/2015 12:02 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/31/2015 4:49 PM, John wrote:

On 10/31/2015 4:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


On 10/30/2015 9:41 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 7:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


On 10/30/2015 4:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


From: "Mark Roberts" 

If you want to learn how to do over-the-top HDR nature photos
(hey, I
said IF!) then this page... won't help much:
http://camerapixo.com/resources/10-step-processing-technique

Every step is so vague and general that it tells you nothing,
but my
favorite one is step 9, which reminds me of this old New Yorker
cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/phae39r

Painfully inept work!

Someone posted a link to it on Facebook. I literally thought it
was a
joke at first.

It looks like some kind of millennial vanity press. If you don't
know
how to make a Blurb book of your own, you can pay these guys to
do it
for you.

Also, send them $99 & they'll send you "Press Credentials".

Indeed. I hadn't bothered looking at the rest of the site but you
appear to have got the gist of it.


Well crap, I can make my own press credentials, I was forced to for a
paper I worked for at one time.  No one ever questioned them.


But consider... would someone SO CLUELESS they can't even figure out
how
to make a Blurb book for themselves be able to make them?


Ah, I see now! It's a Dunning-Kruger-based marketing strategy!




Could be. But is marketing the result of Dunning-Kruger or are
Dunning-Kruger individuals the target market segment?



I get the feeling that Dunning-Kruger couldn't be being used as a
marketing strategy, because someone here seems to realize that they
don't have any skills.

However it does seem to be a particularly "small con" Diploma mill.
Press credentials not issued by the venue you're attempting to
photograph in are particularly useless even if issued by a legitimate
news organization.



Not everyone who wants to be a "photojournalist" can actually find a
J-O-B with a real newspaper. These pseudo-press organization
"credentials" are for the purchaser to use to try to finagle credentials
from a venue.

Dunning-Kruger comes into play because they're aimed at those on the
margins whose skills are too lame to DIY them.


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Powerstation

[Bob W]

Another phone snap, but this time presented entirely unplugged.

It's been the warmest November day on record over here, and Greenwich has
been surrounded by a low fog which hung above the ground and allowed the
sunshine through in a beautiful light which made everything seem unreal.
This is a snap, cropped and increased contrast in Lightroom, taken by the
coaling jetty at Greenwich power station:



B

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Re: Poke

[knarf]

The Cranberries.

Cheers,

frank

On October 31, 2015 11:56:40 PM EDT, Alan C  wrote:
>Now I know why you never sleep.
>
>Alan C
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: knarf
>Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 5:49 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Poke
>
>Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their 
>favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The
>Lemonheads 
>and then Bananarama.
>
>Cheers,
>
>frank
>
>On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C  wrote:
>>They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit
>>"melon"choly.
>>
>>Alan C
>>
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: knarf
>>Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: PESO: Poke
>>
>>Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones.
>>Once
>>in a while I'll buy organic.
>>
>>The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit
>>creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really
>have
>>the
>>vocabulary to properly describe it.
>>
>>Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>frank
>>
>>On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John 
>>wrote:
>>>Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones?
>>I
>>>mean other than the cost?
>>>
>>>On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket.  I almost
>made
>>>a
 mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular
>ones.
 Luckily, I realized the mistake in time.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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RE: Powerstation

[Bob W]

Thanks ann. I hadn't paid any attention to the blown-out sky, but I've been
into Lightroom and brought that down so it's not clipping any more, and it's
a big improvement - thanks.



B

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele
> Sent: Sunday, 1 November, 2015 9:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: Powerstation
> 
> Thats very nice- easy on the eyes, spot-on geometry - etc.  nit picking, I
think
> you increasing contrast may be what is blowing out the sky in the
background
> mainly the area above the people
> 
> ann
> 
> On 11/1/2015 3:45 PM, Bob W wrote:
> > Another phone snap, but this time presented entirely unplugged.
> >
> > It's been the warmest November day on record over here, and Greenwich
> > has been surrounded by a low fog which hung above the ground and
> > allowed the sunshine through in a beautiful light which made everything
> seem unreal.
> > This is a snap, cropped and increased contrast in Lightroom, taken by
> > the coaling jetty at Greenwich power station:
> >
> > 
> >
> > B
> >
> 
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Re: Powerstation

[Jack Davis]

Yes! I agree with Ann!
Difficult composition very adeptly handled.

J

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Subject: Re: Powerstation

Thats very nice- easy on the eyes, spot-on geometry - etc.  nit picking, 
I think
you increasing contrast may be what is blowing out the sky in the background
mainly the area above the people

ann

On 11/1/2015 3:45 PM, Bob W wrote:
> Another phone snap, but this time presented entirely unplugged.
>
> It's been the warmest November day on record over here, and Greenwich has
> been surrounded by a low fog which hung above the ground and allowed the
> sunshine through in a beautiful light which made everything seem unreal.
> This is a snap, cropped and increased contrast in Lightroom, taken by the
> coaling jetty at Greenwich power station:
>
> 
>
> B
>


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Re: OT Peso's, SBSC (side by side comparison.)

[David J Brooks]

John, probably not but i have the camera set to be a primary B
camera butt with raw+jpg have the opportunity to see the colour shot
as well, just an experiment, thanks for the input

Dave

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 2:42 PM, John  wrote:
> I think the subject itself is a bit bland to benefit from B
> conversion. Is there anything there that can only be seen or can be seen
> better because of the B conversion?
>
> If there is, I don't see it.
>
> On 11/1/2015 11:11 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>
>> I prefer the colour. The other is a bit bland, but would would respond
>> well to more contrast, I think
>>
>> B
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2015, at 15:07, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>>
>>> Taken last weekend on our camera club walkabout.
>>>
>>> B is in camera conversion using red filter bias, and the colour
>>> shot, same scene is from the RAW file of the X30
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22649815196/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/22487873630/
>>>
>>> Comments.??
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>
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Re: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm Limited atf/11

[Darren Addy]

Appreciate the comments Rob. I'd be curious to know what Paul
Stenquist sees on his new 5K Mac display. (See original post in this
thread, if you are wanting a diversion, Paul). Just a guess, but I
think he may see more than "subtle" differences.

Regarding your 2nd paragraph, it would be difficult to duplicate PSR
with just 4 shots. I'm no statistician, but PSR overcomes the Bayer
array with its 4 precise shots. Simply put, taking a theoretical
pixelsite-sized section of your overall image, any handheld shot you
take has a 50% chance of being a green one, a 25% chance of being a
red one, and a 25% chance of being a blue one. That does not equal
100% chance of getting that exact distribution with 4 random handheld
shots.

Also, you are going to have to deal with any subject movement from the
time you take your first exposure to the time you end your last one
(same problem for PSR).
In any event, the point is that the camera takes care of your exercise
FOR you. You don't HAVE to do the tedious combination of separate
images that you describe. The camera does it for you. Although you can
work with the huge RAW file yourself, if you wish. I have yet to
experiment with that.

That being said, I'd be interested in seeing what a burst of 8 shots
at 8 fps would look like compared to PSR. Might have to put that on my
list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> It's subtle but it's there, whether it's going to make a discernible
> difference in a print for instance depends on crop size vs print size
> I guess but it's a tool with very limited scope from my perspective
> given the artifacts created when there is any movement in the frame.
>
> I have yet to test but I would assume that similar results would be
> gained by shooting a series of four images using the high speed mode
> then combining them in LR or some similarly capable package, there
> would be sufficient camera shift between each shot to create a similar
> effect I expect.
>
> On 25 October 2015 at 03:51, John  wrote:
>> The lettering on the wire appears (to me) a tiny bit crisper in the
>> pixel shift version.
>>
>> On 10/23/2015 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote:
>>>
>>> Am I missing something? Can't see a difference.
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Darren Addy
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:04 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm
>>> Limited atf/11
>>>
>>> My K-3II arrived today and so I had to try out the Pixel Shift
>>> Resolution during afternoon break. Found an obliging dusty rack of
>>> electrical wire that agreed to serve as my subject. The 77mm f/1.8
>>> limited is a very sharp lens (as anyone who has one will tell you).
>>>
>>> What you see in the link below is an image blown up to 100% (actual
>>> pixels). Each is an 863 pixel x 994 pixel crop of the full 6016 x 4000
>>> pixel image.
>>>
>>> Conditions: Same exposure (2 sec. f/11, ISO 100) focused manually,
>>> shutter fired with the 12 second self-timer. The only thing that
>>> changed between shots was that I turned on Pixel Shift Resolution
>>> (without moving anything). On the left is a standard out of camera
>>> JPEG and on the right the JPEG produced with Pixel Shift Resolution.
>>>
>>> Click on it with your browser cursor to see it at 100%:
>>> http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/PSRComparison.jpg
>>>
>>> At least for cooperative subjects, it looks (to me) like all my lenses
>>> just magically got significantly better.
>>>
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Re: The workspace

[Darren Addy]

Interestingly, the display may not be the only thing responsible for
the quality difference that you are seeing:
10-bit color:
http://petapixel.com/2015/10/30/os-x-el-capitan-quietly-unlocked-10-bit-color-in-imacs-and-mac-pros/

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Glad you're setting up your system to implement a crisp complete system.
> Hope it's a helping partner for a good long time, Paul!
>
> Best
>
> J
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:56:59 PM
> Subject: The workspace
>
> I set up the iMac27 retina 5k this past weekend and calibrated it. TM backup 
> effortlessly restored my apps and files and external drives were all picked 
> up. With the i7 4 gig processor and 33 gigs of ram it flies. The fusion 3t 
> drive with 128 gigs of SSD makes for speedy startups. My old iMac 27, a 2010 
> I think, is working fine in target mode as a calibrated second monitor. 
> Spyder Pro 4 had no problems calibrating it.
> Had I known how rapidly Marlene's condition was going to deteriorate I might 
> not have ordered new equipment a month ago. Then again, I have to continue to 
> earn and that was becoming very difficult with the failings of the old 
> computer.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117815=lg
>
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Re: PESO Anita Cocktail (and K-3 mini review)

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 01 November 2015 at 21:46 "P.J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2015 3:42 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:
> >> On 01 November 2015 at 20:10 "P.J. Alling" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/1/2015 2:34 PM, WILSON MICHAEL wrote:
>  On 01 November 2015 at 16:45 "P.J. Alling" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 11/1/2015 10:50 AM, John wrote:
> > On 10/31/2015 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >> knarf wrote:
> >>> Fun portrait: Nice detail, great colour, focus on front eye,
> >>> technically very good but that cut off lip is a bother.
> >> Yeah, remember my mentioning having trouble with it locking focus. She
> >> kept walking towards me and by the time it locked focus, she was well
> >> within comfortable range for that lens.  Oh well, I still think it's a
> >> fun shot.
> >>
> >> I later remembered another difference between the K-3 and the K-5, the
> >> sound of the shutter. I don't know if the K-3 is louder, but the sound
> >> is "sharper".
> >>
> > I wonder what ever happened to that "trap focus" feature some Pentax
> > cameras used to have where you could pre-focus & hold down the shutter
> > button and the shutter would fire when the subject reached focus?
> >
> >
>  Trap focus still works, in manual focus mode, on the K-5II, I assume
>  that it would work with the K-3 as well.
> >>> Yes; either an af lens with the body in mf mode or a mf lens.  There is a
> >>> setting (do not release shutter unless in focus) that needs to be set
> >>> correctly
> >>> for the process to work or the shutter trips when you press the button.
> >>>
> >> I'd forgotten about that, it's on page 4 of the custom functions in the
> >> K-5II menu.  Item #25 Catch-in focus must be set to 2, (on).
> >>
> >> Now that you've reminded me I think it's the same on the K20D and the
> >> *ist-D series of cameras as well.
> > Goes back to the Z1-p, at least.
> 
> I was talking about enabling it in a menu, did the PZ-1p have a menu 
> setting?

Can't remember for sure, now that you've frightened my memory gland,  but I
think so.

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Re: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm Limited atf/11

[Rob Studdert]

It's subtle but it's there, whether it's going to make a discernible
difference in a print for instance depends on crop size vs print size
I guess but it's a tool with very limited scope from my perspective
given the artifacts created when there is any movement in the frame.

I have yet to test but I would assume that similar results would be
gained by shooting a series of four images using the high speed mode
then combining them in LR or some similarly capable package, there
would be sufficient camera shift between each shot to create a similar
effect I expect.

On 25 October 2015 at 03:51, John  wrote:
> The lettering on the wire appears (to me) a tiny bit crisper in the
> pixel shift version.
>
> On 10/23/2015 12:01 AM, Alan C wrote:
>>
>> Am I missing something? Can't see a difference.
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Darren Addy
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:04 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: A side-by-side Pixel Shift Resolution comparison with 77mm
>> Limited atf/11
>>
>> My K-3II arrived today and so I had to try out the Pixel Shift
>> Resolution during afternoon break. Found an obliging dusty rack of
>> electrical wire that agreed to serve as my subject. The 77mm f/1.8
>> limited is a very sharp lens (as anyone who has one will tell you).
>>
>> What you see in the link below is an image blown up to 100% (actual
>> pixels). Each is an 863 pixel x 994 pixel crop of the full 6016 x 4000
>> pixel image.
>>
>> Conditions: Same exposure (2 sec. f/11, ISO 100) focused manually,
>> shutter fired with the 12 second self-timer. The only thing that
>> changed between shots was that I turned on Pixel Shift Resolution
>> (without moving anything). On the left is a standard out of camera
>> JPEG and on the right the JPEG produced with Pixel Shift Resolution.
>>
>> Click on it with your browser cursor to see it at 100%:
>> http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/PSRComparison.jpg
>>
>> At least for cooperative subjects, it looks (to me) like all my lenses
>> just magically got significantly better.
>>
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PESO 2015 - 167 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Shooting around the house for a bit. This little scene caught my eye. 

https://flic.kr/p/AitJYs

Enjoy! 

Godfrey

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