Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Everyone!  Much appreciated.  I have been looking at many of the 
vendors suggested; I just wanted to reach out and see if anyone had a vendor 
they really liked and recommended.

Thanks again!

Cheers, Christine

  
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:38 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> www.dickblick.com
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 12/30/2016 4:13 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Hi Everyone:
>> 
>> I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.
>> 
>> Anyone have an online frame vendor they can recommend?
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine
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Re: Sacramento National Preserve

[Alan C]

1 & 3 - rather saturated (with birds, that is). Nice ones Jack. If I could 
only get close. I see there is a hawk sitting in the tree in 1.


Alan C

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Three images from the preserve today.

C?

150-450

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1144

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1145

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1146

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PESO: view from the shade

[Philip Northeast]

The red bridge in the Japanese section of the Royal Botanical Gardens in 
Hobart


https://flic.kr/p/QyWvLk

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Re: GESO best of 2016

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A stunning group of images.  I especially like the quail on the railing and
the caterpillar coming out of the faucet.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> I made a quick pass through my monthly best of albums and picked some for
> my annual best of:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/
> or if you prefer the larger ones on one page
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/
>
> Here's my ongoing collection of monthly and annual favorites:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/
>
> I have to thank Mark and company for this.  After my first attempt at
> picking my three best for the annual, I just started saving my favorites
> for each month in their own sets, which greatly limit the number for me to
> go through at the end of the year.  Interestingly, a few of my picks for
> the annual best of weren't initially in the monthly favorites, but when I
> was going through them I decided that I liked other, similar, photos better.
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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[John]

On 12/30/2016 9:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I don't recommend buying any Mac older than late 2011 for compatibility with 
current macOS.

G



Right. Thanks. That's the sort of thing I need to know.

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Re: FS: Who wants it?

[John]

On 12/30/2016 8:39 PM, Bill wrote:

On 12/30/2016 6:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Collin B wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/albums/72157678397863106

$400, shipping included. PayPal OK.


That's tempting.  It also inspired me to ask if Samyang was making a
50/1.2 and I found a current 85/1.2 for Pentax
http://www.adorama.com/MTK8512PK.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAqJjDBRCG5KK6hq_juDwSJABRm03hGhIolHC6F4mRZJMxt7JEH_VUzoxOVh9xWkLZA58YuhoCHRXw_wcB




Manual focus, manual aperture.
Hold out for a used A*85/1.4 (at 2-3 times the price I expect).




It would be nice if Ricoh could replicate some of those great old fast
prime lenses as D-FA lenses (or whatever they're designating their new
lenses for the K1). I'd almost certainly buy a D-FA 50 f/1.2 WR even if
I had to hold off buying another guitar to afford it.

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Re: GESO best of 2016

[Philip Northeast]

Impressive collection

Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 31/12/16 1:22 pm, Larry Colen wrote:

I made a quick pass through my monthly best of albums and picked some
for my annual best of:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/
or if you prefer the larger ones on one page
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/

Here's my ongoing collection of monthly and annual favorites:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/

I have to thank Mark and company for this.  After my first attempt at
picking my three best for the annual, I just started saving my favorites
for each month in their own sets, which greatly limit the number for me
to go through at the end of the year.  Interestingly, a few of my picks
for the annual best of weren't initially in the monthly favorites, but
when I was going through them I decided that I liked other, similar,
photos better.




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GESO best of 2016

[Larry Colen]

I made a quick pass through my monthly best of albums and picked some 
for my annual best of:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/
or if you prefer the larger ones on one page
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157678418984536/

Here's my ongoing collection of monthly and annual favorites:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/

I have to thank Mark and company for this.  After my first attempt at 
picking my three best for the annual, I just started saving my favorites 
for each month in their own sets, which greatly limit the number for me 
to go through at the end of the year.  Interestingly, a few of my picks 
for the annual best of weren't initially in the monthly favorites, but 
when I was going through them I decided that I liked other, similar, 
photos better.



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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't recommend buying any Mac older than late 2011 for compatibility with 
current macOS.

G
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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[Philip Northeast]

I have a firewire to thunderbolt converter that runs an older firewire 
drive from the thunderbolt port on my iMac.


Try newegg for good mac hardware info and bits

Philip Northeast

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On 31/12/16 12:51 pm, John wrote:

On 12/30/2016 8:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



John wrote:

27" iMac - 2011 - i7 2.9Ghz - no visible flaws on the display - 16GB RAM
- 8x SuperDrive (I think that's the DVD drive) - power cord - NO HARD
DRIVE (booted from thumb drive to demonstrate functionality) - $300.


What sort of USB and networking do they have?   With an iMac, you really
need external drives, at least for backups, although with gigabit
ethernet, NAS may work.






"four USB 2.0 ports, a Firewire "800" port, built-in AirPort Extreme, and
Gigabit Ethernet, as well as an audio capable Mini DisplayPort, which
supports an external display up to 30" (2560x1600)."



I think this can accept any SATA3 HDD & I figure I could get a Macally
keyboard & mouse for it like I have for my Mac Mini.


Look on iFixit and see what mods they discuss and support for it.


How hard would it be to replace the missing HDD & install OS X?


Judging by mine, not terribly hard, just be aware that putting in an
aftermarket drive may mean that it doesn't have temperature sensors, and
may also mean that the fan is always on.  I pretty much did that with my
24", then ended up giving the system to a friend a while later.



I was looking at hard-drives from the same place recommended for memory
upgrades in David Brooks Lightroom thread.


If that is of the vintage that you can use it as a thunderbolt monitor,
that would probably be a better bet.



Looking it up by S/N on EveryMac.com, it's mid-2010 & no mention of
Thunderbolt.



Or am I looking at biting off more than I can chew here?


What's your goal?  At this point, my feeling is that the best deals are
the old Mac Pros that are actually expandable.



I don't really have a goal yet. I was just thinking about maybe getting
an iMac to mess with & this has a much lower price than a complete one.



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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[John]

On 12/30/2016 8:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



John wrote:

27" iMac - 2011 - i7 2.9Ghz - no visible flaws on the display - 16GB RAM
- 8x SuperDrive (I think that's the DVD drive) - power cord - NO HARD
DRIVE (booted from thumb drive to demonstrate functionality) - $300.


What sort of USB and networking do they have?   With an iMac, you really
need external drives, at least for backups, although with gigabit
ethernet, NAS may work.






"four USB 2.0 ports, a Firewire "800" port, built-in AirPort Extreme, and
Gigabit Ethernet, as well as an audio capable Mini DisplayPort, which
supports an external display up to 30" (2560x1600)."



I think this can accept any SATA3 HDD & I figure I could get a Macally
keyboard & mouse for it like I have for my Mac Mini.


Look on iFixit and see what mods they discuss and support for it.


How hard would it be to replace the missing HDD & install OS X?


Judging by mine, not terribly hard, just be aware that putting in an
aftermarket drive may mean that it doesn't have temperature sensors, and
may also mean that the fan is always on.  I pretty much did that with my
24", then ended up giving the system to a friend a while later.



I was looking at hard-drives from the same place recommended for memory
upgrades in David Brooks Lightroom thread.


If that is of the vintage that you can use it as a thunderbolt monitor,
that would probably be a better bet.



Looking it up by S/N on EveryMac.com, it's mid-2010 & no mention of
Thunderbolt.



Or am I looking at biting off more than I can chew here?


What's your goal?  At this point, my feeling is that the best deals are
the old Mac Pros that are actually expandable.



I don't really have a goal yet. I was just thinking about maybe getting
an iMac to mess with & this has a much lower price than a complete one.

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Re: FS: Who wants it?

[Bill]

On 12/30/2016 6:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Collin B wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/albums/72157678397863106

$400, shipping included. PayPal OK.


That's tempting.  It also inspired me to ask if Samyang was making a
50/1.2 and I found a current 85/1.2 for Pentax
http://www.adorama.com/MTK8512PK.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAqJjDBRCG5KK6hq_juDwSJABRm03hGhIolHC6F4mRZJMxt7JEH_VUzoxOVh9xWkLZA58YuhoCHRXw_wcB



Manual focus, manual aperture.
Hold out for a used A*85/1.4 (at 2-3 times the price I expect).


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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[Paul Stenquist]

It's a great deal, but you have to remove the screen with suction cups to 
install a drive. OWC can provide instructions and the tools you'll need. 
Install a 1 terabyte SSD and you'll have an awesome machine.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> 27" iMac - 2011 - i7 2.9Ghz - no visible flaws on the display - 16GB RAM
> - 8x SuperDrive (I think that's the DVD drive) - power cord - NO HARD
> DRIVE (booted from thumb drive to demonstrate functionality) - $300.
> 
> I think this can accept any SATA3 HDD & I figure I could get a Macally
> keyboard & mouse for it like I have for my Mac Mini.
> 
> How hard would it be to replace the missing HDD & install OS X?
> 
> Or am I looking at biting off more than I can chew here?
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Re: Is this a stupid idea?

[Larry Colen]

John wrote:

27" iMac - 2011 - i7 2.9Ghz - no visible flaws on the display - 16GB RAM
- 8x SuperDrive (I think that's the DVD drive) - power cord - NO HARD
DRIVE (booted from thumb drive to demonstrate functionality) - $300.


What sort of USB and networking do they have?   With an iMac, you really 
need external drives, at least for backups, although with gigabit 
ethernet, NAS may work.


I think this can accept any SATA3 HDD & I figure I could get a Macally
keyboard & mouse for it like I have for my Mac Mini.


Look on iFixit and see what mods they discuss and support for it.


How hard would it be to replace the missing HDD & install OS X?


Judging by mine, not terribly hard, just be aware that putting in an 
aftermarket drive may mean that it doesn't have temperature sensors, and 
may also mean that the fan is always on.  I pretty much did that with my 
24", then ended up giving the system to a friend a while later.


If that is of the vintage that you can use it as a thunderbolt monitor, 
that would probably be a better bet.




Or am I looking at biting off more than I can chew here?


What's your goal?  At this point, my feeling is that the best deals are 
the old Mac Pros that are actually expandable.






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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, John  wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2016 7:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce Walker wrote:

 And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
 ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.
>>>
>>> That, flannel shirts and two pounds worth of beard.  Fortunately Bob is
>>> wrong (maybe that's what the W stands for?) and women hipsters aren't
>>> required to have beards, just tattoos.
>>
>>
>> NP, got that covered ...
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GRxwiW8gVQx4/IXSFMWEoFZ4E
>>
>
> I don't really dig tattoos, but that's nice.

Thanks, John.  The PDML Annual editors thought so too. It's on pg 78
of the 2016 edition. :)

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Is this a stupid idea?

[John]

27" iMac - 2011 - i7 2.9Ghz - no visible flaws on the display - 16GB RAM
- 8x SuperDrive (I think that's the DVD drive) - power cord - NO HARD
DRIVE (booted from thumb drive to demonstrate functionality) - $300.

I think this can accept any SATA3 HDD & I figure I could get a Macally
keyboard & mouse for it like I have for my Mac Mini.

How hard would it be to replace the missing HDD & install OS X?

Or am I looking at biting off more than I can chew here?

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[John]

On 12/30/2016 7:35 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Bruce Walker wrote:


And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.


That, flannel shirts and two pounds worth of beard.  Fortunately Bob is
wrong (maybe that's what the W stands for?) and women hipsters aren't
required to have beards, just tattoos.


NP, got that covered ...
http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GRxwiW8gVQx4/IXSFMWEoFZ4E



I don't really dig tattoos, but that's nice.

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[John]

On 12/30/2016 5:40 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 30 Dec 2016, at 17:46, Bruce Walker  wrote:


Yeah, I like Photoshelter's presentation with this theme a lot. It
feels like a classic photobook with large white margins to me.

So Larry, does that help make the composition work for you?
Personally I like the understated negative space with hints of the
surroundings.

And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.


If you were a real hipster she'd have a lumberjack beard.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgaRd4d8hOY



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Try viewing it here:
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Re: PESO - Multitasking

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2016, at 17:46, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
>> ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.
>
> If you were a real hipster she'd have a lumberjack beard.

Dang!

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
>> ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.
>
> That, flannel shirts and two pounds worth of beard.  Fortunately Bob is
> wrong (maybe that's what the W stands for?) and women hipsters aren't
> required to have beards, just tattoos.

NP, got that covered ...
http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GRxwiW8gVQx4/IXSFMWEoFZ4E

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Re: Comet 45P

[John]

On 12/30/2016 1:22 PM, John wrote:

"Near Earth" & "visible" just after sunset December 31.

http://earthsky.org/space/comet-45phonda-mrkos-pajdusakova-new-years-eve

Weather forecast around here ain't good - partly to mostly cloudy, but
I've got a good spot with a low horizon to the southwest, so I intend to
get out there and try. If I get lucky, maybe there will be a break in
the clouds when I need it.

Don't know what the forecast is like in the central & western U.S., but
those of you out there, now know about it if you want to make the attempt.



I had to run an errand after posting this & the weather forecast for
tonight was Clear & Cold. Since tomorrow night is supposed to be mostly
cloudy, I headed out to the spot I'd picked out to take photos of the
crescent moon tonight, hoping I might catch the comet in the field of view.

I just got home a few minutes ago & haven't had time yet to download the
images I did get to have a look at them on the big monitor.

I didn't see the comet & don't think I managed to capture it in any of
the photos, but the trial run helped because I figured out a 300mm lens
isn't going to have a wide enough field of view to capture it.

I'll try again tomorrow night with an 80-200 f/2.8 zoom.


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Re: FS: Who wants it?

[Larry Colen]

Collin B wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/albums/72157678397863106

$400, shipping included. PayPal OK.


That's tempting.  It also inspired me to ask if Samyang was making a 
50/1.2 and I found a current 85/1.2 for Pentax

http://www.adorama.com/MTK8512PK.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAqJjDBRCG5KK6hq_juDwSJABRm03hGhIolHC6F4mRZJMxt7JEH_VUzoxOVh9xWkLZA58YuhoCHRXw_wcB

It seems that Samyang does make a 50/1.2, but not in Pentax mount.







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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

[Larry Colen]

Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.

Anyone have an online frame vendor they can recommend?


I just picked up a pair of lenses at Costco.  Great prices, good service 
and they seem to be acceptable quality.  At the local Optometrists, 
progressive lenses would run about $1000 once the dust settled, they 
were $200 at Costco.




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Re: GESO - Coyles in New York

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John Coyle wrote:

Thanks Larry - the shot of the skater girl and the rickshaw driver was one of 
the quickest grabs
I've ever made!  It was a completely different shot half a second either way.
I must say I'm not so impressed with the high ISO capabilities of the K5ii as 
some others have been:
the last shot was taken at 6400ISO, and the noise has been suppressed as far as 
I can go without
making it mushy!  I have the camera set at "Auto" for noise reduction - might 
have to try different
settings for this.  I tried the other night some shots at 25600 and 51200 and 
they were basically
unusable out of the camera.  Thoughts anyone?


I do as little noise reduction as possible in camera.  I don't trust a 
two dollar processor to make intelligent decisions, much less the people 
who program it.  I much prefer to just capture the basic data, in RAW, 
then throw enough processing power at it with my desktop that Seymour 
Cray would have been green with envy.


I've taken shots with a K-5 at 3200 that had horrible noise, and I've 
got some taken at 10K-25K that look like the color version of Tri-X. One 
trick is that you have to manage the whole process to optimize the final 
image. Sufficient exposure is key, and contrary to not blowing out 
highlights.  In challenging light, when I can, I will bracket my shots 
for this very reason, because it's quicker and easier to just bracket 
the shot in the first place than it is to take the shot, check the 
histogram, and then if need be take more shots to try to nail the 
exposure. Also, when you chimp the preview, you're chimping the in 
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Re: PESO - Multitasking

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Bruce Walker wrote:

Yeah, I like Photoshelter's presentation with this theme a lot. It
feels like a classic photobook with large white margins to me.

So Larry, does that help make the composition work for you?
Personally I like the understated negative space with hints of the
surroundings.


It works better, but I still don't think it's optimal. Call it a 
personal quirk, but I find pretty women more interesting to look at than 
the end of sofa.




And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.


That, flannel shirts and two pounds worth of beard.  Fortunately Bob is 
wrong (maybe that's what the W stands for?) and women hipsters aren't 
required to have beards, just tattoos.





On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Bruce Walker wrote:

Thank you very much, Bulent. I am really coming to understand and
appreciate the possibilities of black and white processing.

That vertical expansion and clipping behaviour is Flickr's doing, by
the way, Bulent. I don't get any say in that, sadly. I provided a
Flickr link when I posted this PESO because that was the only place I
had uploaded the image at that time.

My preferred presentation is on my Photoshelter hosted portfolio site,
and it's more sane about its monitor size handling.

Try viewing it here:
http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IjbNn2_TIQ08


Interesting, it works much better against a white backdrop.



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RE: GESO - Coyles in New York

[John Coyle]

Thanks Larry - the shot of the skater girl and the rickshaw driver was one of 
the quickest grabs
I've ever made!  It was a completely different shot half a second either way.
I must say I'm not so impressed with the high ISO capabilities of the K5ii as 
some others have been:
the last shot was taken at 6400ISO, and the noise has been suppressed as far as 
I can go without
making it mushy!  I have the camera set at "Auto" for noise reduction - might 
have to try different
settings for this.  I tried the other night some shots at 25600 and 51200 and 
they were basically
unusable out of the camera.  Thoughts anyone?


John in Brisbane



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John Coyle wrote:
> To stop Ann toe-tapping, here's the set from NY!
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New York/album/

Once I figured out the URL (I hate spaces in URLs)...

That's a great set.  You must have a really good camera.  :-)

I really liked "Hey!"
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New%20York/album/slides/K5009303.jpg
It's a great bit of street photography. I love the ginger's expression and the 
pedicab driver
looking at her.


I might even say this one
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New%20York/album/#K5009358.jpg
is "speck-tacular".  Great job, and very reminiscent of Mark's style.

>
> Comments etc., all welcome.
>
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>

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Re: PESO: Focused

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It worked!

ann


On 12/30/2016 5:43 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Looks like you got a bit of Leica glow there.

B


On 30 Dec 2016, at 21:54, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2, F 1.2 @ 1/500th, ISO 2500

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327623=lg

Part of an experiment to see if I can still focus manually in relatively low 
light. I did okay. Not as good as 40 years ago, but I was adequate.


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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

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coward


On 12/30/2016 6:23 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 30/12/16, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:


www.dickblick.com

ann

I daren't click on **that** !




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Re: PESO: Focused

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Larry. I used the viewfinder for this one. I tried live view and focus 
peaking for some other frames. I think I did slightly better with that method.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2, F 1.2 @ 1/500th, ISO 2500
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327623=lg
>> 
>> Part of an experiment to see if I can still focus manually in relatively low 
>> light. I did okay. Not as good as 40 years ago, but I was adequate.
>> 
>> 
> 
> It looks like you succeeded.  And got a nice shot in the process.  Did you 
> use the viewfinder or focus peaking?
> 
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On 30/12/16, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>www.dickblick.com
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>ann

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RE: GESO - Coyles in New York

[John Coyle]

Thanks Alan - interestingly, we were quite happy with the philosophy of the 
Cloisters, at least as
explained in their information.  Most, if not all, of the pieces exhibited were 
brought from Europe
from buildings which were either being demolished or were otherwise in 
disrepair, and were
legitimately bought.  Each of them has now been incorporated in the Cloisters 
in a way that fulfills
their original function, where possible: e.g. a doorway is used as a doorway, a 
window as a window,
etc.  Statuses and niches are combined in a generally very appropriate way.


John in Brisbane



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I'm almost as green as the Mekon. Wonderful gallery. Apart from the groupies, I 
like the shot of
Tryon Park. I researched the Cloisters and, while it is an interesting venue, 
it astonishes me that
anyone, even Rockefeller, could be so sacrilegious.

Alan C

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To stop Ann toe-tapping, here's the set from NY!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New York/album/

Comments etc., all welcome.



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Re: PESO: Focused

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Paul Stenquist wrote:

Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2, F 1.2 @ 1/500th, ISO 2500

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327623=lg

Part of an experiment to see if I can still focus manually in relatively low 
light. I did okay. Not as good as 40 years ago, but I was adequate.




It looks like you succeeded.  And got a nice shot in the process.  Did 
you use the viewfinder or focus peaking?




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RE: GESO - Coyles in New York

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Thanks Ann!  It may take a little while to get the next gallery up: this time 
of year is, oddly, one
of my busiest with other commitments.


John in Brisbane



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This worked for me... finally..

part of the problem was my server it turned out.. a bit sluggish...

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New%20York/album/

My favorite of your tourist shots is the one of Grand Central.. ,then 48 1/2, 
the night shot you
tookat 7th and 1st ave, and a couple of the Cloisters shots and I really love 
theshot of a certain
Pentaxian... and I dont' often like photos of myself. You took twenty years off 
my life! 
Just a little motion blur does wondersfor an old gal's complextion :-)

LOoking forward to Boston, "The Loo" , New Orleans, etc...

ann


On 12/29/2016 1:21 AM, Paul in MKE wrote:
> Try this...
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New%20York/album/
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 12:07 AM, Philip Northeast wrote:
>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~jcoyle/USA/New York/album/
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Re: PESO: Focused

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Looks like you got a bit of Leica glow there.

B

> On 30 Dec 2016, at 21:54, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2, F 1.2 @ 1/500th, ISO 2500
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327623=lg
> 
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Re: PESO - Multitasking

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On 30 Dec 2016, at 17:46, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I like Photoshelter's presentation with this theme a lot. It
> feels like a classic photobook with large white margins to me.
> 
> So Larry, does that help make the composition work for you?
> Personally I like the understated negative space with hints of the
> surroundings.
> 
> And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
> ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.

If you were a real hipster she'd have a lumberjack beard.

B
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Try viewing it here:
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IjbNn2_TIQ08
>> 
>> 

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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

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www.dickblick.com

ann


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I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.

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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

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Michael's seems to always have some kind of frame sale going on - just 
have to watch for the kind you want.


-p


On 12/30/2016 4:25 PM, John wrote:

Jerry's Artarama or Michaels.

On 12/30/2016 4:13 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

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I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.

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Re: PESO: Choices

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It absolutely is, Paul. Bless her heart!!
Great catch!

J

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Pentas K-1, A 50/1.2, F1.2 @ 1/200th, ISO 1250

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327628=lg

This one was heartbreaking. I’m sorry I didn’t give her a $5 bill after taking 
her photo. I think that jacket is Birmingham, Michigan police issue. I’m 
guessing a cop gave it to her. 



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Sacramento National Preserve

[Jack Davis]

Three images from the preserve today.

C?

150-450

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1144

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1145

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1146

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Re: Lo and behold

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Wonderful scene, Ralf.

Dan Matyola
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> The weather has really been funny around here, these last days. Ten
> minutes and a few kilometers further on, we were back in thick freezing
> fog. There was so much hoarfrost on the trees that it came down in chunks
> so big that it sounded as if someone was throwing cobblestones at our car.
> I was really fearing for the windscreen.
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> http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.fr/2016/12/lo-and-behold.html
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Lo and behold

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Been driving around in Belgian West Flanders today and came through a 
little town named Lo. Just had to find a pleasant spot for taking a 
picture that could be used for the title... ;-)


The weather has really been funny around here, these last days. Ten 
minutes and a few kilometers further on, we were back in thick freezing 
fog. There was so much hoarfrost on the trees that it came down in 
chunks so big that it sounded as if someone was throwing cobblestones at 
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http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.fr/2016/12/lo-and-behold.html

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PESO: Choices

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Re: PESO: Focused

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I like it! Perfect title too.

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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18327623=lg
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PESO: Focused

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Re: PESO: A Way Outta Here

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Sharp f/1.2 EXIT!!
It all works, Paul!


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Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2,  f1.2 @ 1/200th, ISO 125

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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 30/12/16, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.
>
>Anyone have an online frame vendor they can recommend?

Here ya go.



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Re: suggested online vendors for frames?

[Stanley Halpin]

pictureframes.com seems ok


> On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone:
> 
> I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.
> 
> Anyone have an online frame vendor they can recommend?
> 
> Cheers, Christine
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PESO: A Way Outta Here

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Pentax K-1 with A 50/1.2,  f1.2 @ 1/200th, ISO 125

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suggested online vendors for frames?

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Everyone:

I’m in the market for some black metal frames of various sizes.

Anyone have an online frame vendor they can recommend?

Cheers, Christine
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

For RAM intensive apps like Photoshop, the more RAM the better. LR is a bit 
less RAM intensive—through memory usage modeling, I've never seen it consume 
more than 2.5G RAM in any operations by itself—but is much more critical on 
disk space utilization and read/write performance once you have enough RAM to 
keep it happy. I always maintain a minimum of 100G free space on the startup 
volume and site the Lightroom catalog folder there, with the photo file 
repository on a fast volume connected via the fastest available protocol, for 
best performance. 

OWC memory has been a little problematic for me. I bought 16G from them for the 
previous Mac mini I had and found it caused display jitters. I switched to 
memory bought directly from Crucial (crucial.com has a RAM selection tool) 
after that and have not had a single problem with it. 

G

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I will also echo the OWC recommendation. I have bought much RAM and hard 
> drives etc. from them over the years. Never a problem, good information on 
> the web site to help you buy the right things.
> And there are videos out there showing the relatively simple process of 
> adding the new RAM once you have it in hand.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I can second the OWC recommendation. I buy most of my computer hardware from 
>> them and have purchased memory numerous times. When I bought my current iMac 
>> I purchased it with the minimum 8 gigs of memory and added another 24 gigs 
>> from OWC. That saved me several hundred dollars.
>> 
>> Paul
>>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
>>> 
>>> USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
>>> instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
>>> out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)
>>> 
>>> I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
>>> wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
>>> approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
>>> Elements and such.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  
 wrote:
 Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
 but initial test photo seemed to go well. I have 4 Gig ram and i
 think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
 just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
 memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
 
 Dave
 
 On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
  wrote:
> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look 
> inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" 
> files (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running 
> LR again.
> 
> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, 
> but once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest 
> thing to use.)
> 
> G
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
>> glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
>> 
>> Oh Oh.
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[David J Brooks]

system says Mid 2010

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:21 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> thanks for those RAM site tips. I'm running 4gig at the moment with
> 166Gig free HD space. I bought my 21.5" iMac late 2011 i'm pretty
> shure, and have checked with adobe site and it looks like i can expand
> up to 16gig. It had 4 slots 2 with 2 gig and 2 free or so the pop up
> window says on my " about this mac"
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> I have made it a standard policy when buying systems for the past decade or 
>> so to max out RAM at purchase time (if not upgradeable) or immediately 
>> afterwards (for upgradeable systems). I cannot see the point of running a 
>> system with a less than optimal configuration for most of its life and then 
>> adding RAM at the end of the system's life ... it does the least good that 
>> way and minimizes the value you get from the system.
>>
>> This has worked well for the past decade or so because RAM prices, while 
>> still declining, have declined less than they did prior to that. The added 
>> utility value of having as much RAM as the system might ever need has been 
>> greater than the reduction in price. :-)
>>
>> G
>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>>>
>>> Geez, I think it’s about time I jump on this RAM bus!  Cheers, Christine
>>
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[David J Brooks]

thanks for those RAM site tips. I'm running 4gig at the moment with
166Gig free HD space. I bought my 21.5" iMac late 2011 i'm pretty
shure, and have checked with adobe site and it looks like i can expand
up to 16gig. It had 4 slots 2 with 2 gig and 2 free or so the pop up
window says on my " about this mac"


On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I have made it a standard policy when buying systems for the past decade or 
> so to max out RAM at purchase time (if not upgradeable) or immediately 
> afterwards (for upgradeable systems). I cannot see the point of running a 
> system with a less than optimal configuration for most of its life and then 
> adding RAM at the end of the system's life ... it does the least good that 
> way and minimizes the value you get from the system.
>
> This has worked well for the past decade or so because RAM prices, while 
> still declining, have declined less than they did prior to that. The added 
> utility value of having as much RAM as the system might ever need has been 
> greater than the reduction in price. :-)
>
> G
>
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>>
>> Geez, I think it’s about time I jump on this RAM bus!  Cheers, Christine
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have made it a standard policy when buying systems for the past decade or so 
to max out RAM at purchase time (if not upgradeable) or immediately afterwards 
(for upgradeable systems). I cannot see the point of running a system with a 
less than optimal configuration for most of its life and then adding RAM at the 
end of the system's life ... it does the least good that way and minimizes the 
value you get from the system. 

This has worked well for the past decade or so because RAM prices, while still 
declining, have declined less than they did prior to that. The added utility 
value of having as much RAM as the system might ever need has been greater than 
the reduction in price. :-)

G

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Geez, I think it’s about time I jump on this RAM bus!  Cheers, Christine

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

For RAM intensive apps like Photoshop, the more RAM the better. LR is a bit 
less RAM intensive—through memory usage modeling, I've never seen it consume 
more than 2.5G RAM in any operations by itself—but is much more critical on 
disk space utilization and read/write performance once you have enough RAM to 
keep it happy. I always maintain a minimum of 100G free space on the startup 
volume and site the Lightroom catalog folder there, with the photo file 
repository on a fast volume connected via the fastest available protocol, for 
best performance. 

OWC memory has been a little problematic for me. I bought 16G from them for the 
previous Mac mini I had and found it caused display jitters. I switched to 
memory bought directly from Crucial (crucial.com has a RAM selection tool) 
after that and have not had a single problem with it. 

G

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I will also echo the OWC recommendation. I have bought much RAM and hard 
> drives etc. from them over the years. Never a problem, good information on 
> the web site to help you buy the right things.
> And there are videos out there showing the relatively simple process of 
> adding the new RAM once you have it in hand.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I can second the OWC recommendation. I buy most of my computer hardware from 
>> them and have purchased memory numerous times. When I bought my current iMac 
>> I purchased it with the minimum 8 gigs of memory and added another 24 gigs 
>> from OWC. That saved me several hundred dollars.
>> 
>> Paul
>>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
>>> 
>>> USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
>>> instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
>>> out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)
>>> 
>>> I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
>>> wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
>>> approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
>>> Elements and such.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  
 wrote:
 Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
 but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
 think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
 just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
 memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
 
 Dave
 
 On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
  wrote:
> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look 
> inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" 
> files (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running 
> LR again.
> 
> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, 
> but once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest 
> thing to use.)
> 
> G
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
>> glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
>> 
>> Oh Oh.
>> 
>> Dave
> 
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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Bruce Walker]

Yeah, I like Photoshelter's presentation with this theme a lot. It
feels like a classic photobook with large white margins to me.

So Larry, does that help make the composition work for you?
Personally I like the understated negative space with hints of the
surroundings.

And yeah, I hear you on the loss of the red hair. She's a gorgeous
ginger. But that's the price I gotta pay for being a b hipster.


On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much, Bulent. I am really coming to understand and
>> appreciate the possibilities of black and white processing.
>>
>> That vertical expansion and clipping behaviour is Flickr's doing, by
>> the way, Bulent. I don't get any say in that, sadly. I provided a
>> Flickr link when I posted this PESO because that was the only place I
>> had uploaded the image at that time.
>>
>> My preferred presentation is on my Photoshelter hosted portfolio site,
>> and it's more sane about its monitor size handling.
>>
>> Try viewing it here:
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IjbNn2_TIQ08
>
>
> Interesting, it works much better against a white backdrop.
>
>
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Christine Aguila]

Geez, I think it’s about time I jump on this RAM bus!  Cheers, Christine


> On Dec 30, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
> 
> USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
> instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
> out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)
> 
> I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
> wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
> approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
> Elements and such.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
>> but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
>> think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
>> just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
>> memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>  wrote:
>>> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look 
>>> inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files 
>>> (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.
>>> 
>>> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
>>> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but 
>>> once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing 
>>> to use.)
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
 
 bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
 glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
 
 Oh Oh.
 
 Dave
>>> 
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Re: Merry, Happy, and Kosher

[Boris Liberman]

Yes, like I said - should Larry take a chance and board the plane,
I'll be sure to take him to some very fine steak houses where they
serve excellent non-pork, non-kosher meat :-). And should the said
Larry  insist, the kosher steak houses are out there to welcome him
just as well :-).

Boris


On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:58 AM, John  wrote:
> They'll probably kick me out of North Carolina for saying this, but
> there are other meats besides pork that you can barbecue.
>
>
> On 12/29/2016 2:00 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> Nice play of words, Larry. Nice indeed.
>>
>> You know, I don't eat pork. I am not a very observant Jew but I don't
>> eat pork, on the grounds that it has been said so by the elders that
>> me, the Jew, shouldn't be eating pork.
>>
>> However, if you come over, which I hope will happen one day, I can see
>> to it that you get your hog, sameach or not - mostly not, I would
>> presume, as the hog will be served to you on a plate.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Boris Liberman wrote:


 Merry Christmas, Happy New Year (soon to come) and Kosher Hannukah...
 Well, I suppose the last one is somewhat improvised, because it is
 customary to wish Kosher Passover, but the spirit of things is clear,
 right?

 May the new year (no matter which faith or lack thereof you practice)
 be fruitful, healthy, and joyful for you and for your dear ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And a happy Whiskymas to you as well. Or as they say on the pig farm,
>>> Hog Samayach.
>>>

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Stanley Halpin]

I will also echo the OWC recommendation. I have bought much RAM and hard drives 
etc. from them over the years. Never a problem, good information on the web 
site to help you buy the right things.
And there are videos out there showing the relatively simple process of adding 
the new RAM once you have it in hand.

stan

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I can second the OWC recommendation. I buy most of my computer hardware from 
> them and have purchased memory numerous times. When I bought my current iMac 
> I purchased it with the minimum 8 gigs of memory and added another 24 gigs 
> from OWC. That saved me several hundred dollars.
> 
> Paul
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
>> 
>> USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
>> instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
>> out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)
>> 
>> I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
>> wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
>> approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
>> Elements and such.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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>>> but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
>>> think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
>>> just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
>>> memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>>  wrote:
 Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look 
 inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" 
 files (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running 
 LR again.
 
 If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
 their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but 
 once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest 
 thing to use.)
 
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Re: Merry, Happy, and Kosher

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Mike, the modern Israel uses modern Hebrew, not Yiddish. Yiddish is
spoken in some communities, but it is mostly replaced by Hebrew.

As Larry said, Hag (H pronounced as "kh" in khaki) Sameach (ch
pronounced the same way) means "Happy Holiday".

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:44 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> As I thought the phrase was anglicized Scottish Gaelic, connected by the 
> mention
> of whisky, that didn't make any sense, and my knowledge of Yiddish is even
> slighter than my knowledge of Gaelic, I missed the pun entirely.  To the back 
> of
> the class for me.   Facing the corner, too.
>
>> On 29 December 2016 at 19:00 Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good pun is always fun.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 9:45 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> >> On 25 December 2016 at 17:48 Larry Colen  wrote:
>> >> Boris Liberman wrote:
>> >> > Merry Christmas, Happy New Year (soon to come) and Kosher Hannukah...
>> >> > Well, I suppose the last one is somewhat improvised, because it is
>> >> > customary to wish Kosher Passover, but the spirit of things is clear,
>> >> > right?
>> >> >
>> >> > May the new year (no matter which faith or lack thereof you practice)
>> >> > be fruitful, healthy, and joyful for you and for your dear ones.
>> >>
>> >> And a happy Whiskymas to you as well. Or as they say on the pig farm,
>> >> Hog Samayach.
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>> > slack-mouthed wonder at your ability to offer one.
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Re: FS: Who wants it?

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On 12/30/2016 10:07 AM, Collin B wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/albums/72157678397863106

$400, shipping included. PayPal OK.




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Re: Lightroom upgrades

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On 30/12/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
>
>USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
>instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
>out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)

Good call.

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

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I can second the OWC recommendation. I buy most of my computer hardware from 
them and have purchased memory numerous times. When I bought my current iMac I 
purchased it with the minimum 8 gigs of memory and added another 24 gigs from 
OWC. That saved me several hundred dollars.

Paul
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/
> 
> USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
> instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
> out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)
> 
> I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
> wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
> approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
> Elements and such.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
>> but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
>> think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
>> just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
>> memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>  wrote:
>>> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look 
>>> inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files 
>>> (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.
>>> 
>>> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
>>> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but 
>>> once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing 
>>> to use.)
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
 
 bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
 glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
 
 Oh Oh.
 
 Dave
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Re: PESO: Egyptian Geese

[Jack Davis]

Pretty much what P. J. said, Alan.
Lighting appears a bit flat which never compliments an image.
Visible grain, as the image is pulled up, doesn't appear to me to
be due to ISO noise, but there may have been some which was "despeckled" in PS. 
Look forward to more tests with good lighting.
thanks for sharing, Alan!

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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:22:57 AM
Subject: PESO: Egyptian Geese

A shot with my "new" toy - a Sigma 170-500 APO which I acquired for a mere 
R1000 ($70). I would have preferred a Pentax 150-450 but couldn't find the 
other R34000. After the first few shots I can see there is a bit of a 
learning curve ahead.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31833625372/

K7. Range about 60m. Heavy crop.

Having endured a couple of dry weeks in the low 40's (C), we finally had 
75mm in the last 24hrs including a heavy fall of 45mm. Most of central & 
northern Kruger got it so the pools & dams will fill up & the grass will 
grow. Unfortunately, the mosquitos will soon be out in force too.

Happy New Year to you all.

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Re: Egyptian Geese

[Alan C]

You're sharper than the image, P J. This was the best of an un-sharp bunch & 
I probably overdid the sharpening. I still need to check the back/front 
focus too.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: P. J. Alling

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:51 PM
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Subject: Re: PESO: Egyptian Geese

Super Telephoto lenses are a different world.   That's a nice first
attempt.   You really need a less noisy sensor, and either the
processing was a bit heavy handed or Flicker is especially lousy at
displaying images when it zooms in...


On 12/30/2016 10:22 AM, Alan C wrote:
A shot with my "new" toy - a Sigma 170-500 APO which I acquired for a mere 
R1000 ($70). I would have preferred a Pentax 150-450 but couldn't find the 
other R34000. After the first few shots I can see there is a bit of a 
learning curve ahead.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31833625372/

K7. Range about 60m. Heavy crop.

Having endured a couple of dry weeks in the low 40's (C), we finally had 
75mm in the last 24hrs including a heavy fall of 45mm. Most of central & 
northern Kruger got it so the pools & dams will fill up & the grass will 
grow. Unfortunately, the mosquitos will soon be out in force too.


Happy New Year to you all.

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Bruce Walker]

Dave, I can recommend these guys: OWC https://www.macsales.com/

USA based, but fast shipping. They have tutorials with model-specific
instructions on what to buy. And they accept trade-ins of RAM you pull
out to replace. (Or they did anyway; check that.)

I maxed-out a 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM and an internal SSD drive and my
wife still uses it as her daily workstation. I just realized it's
approaching 10 years old. Yikes. But it works fine for her, running PS
Elements and such.


On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
> but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
> think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
> just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
> memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  wrote:
>> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look inside 
>> the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files (they 
>> should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.
>>
>> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
>> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but 
>> once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing 
>> to use.)
>>
>> G
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>>
>>> bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
>>> glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
>>>
>>> Oh Oh.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[Zos Xavius]

they recommend 8gb if using photoshop as well. double that is a good place
to start indeed.

On Dec 30, 2016 10:57 AM, "P. J. Alling"  wrote:

> LIghtroom is not lightweight.  You really need more ram.   I don't know
> how much ram Adobe claims is the minimum to run Lightroom 6.0 or CC but
> take whatever they say and double it.
>
> Besides being perpetually broke these days that's one of the reasons I use
> a lot of old software.   Once you figure out how to make it work, if you
> can, it just flies on modern hardware, with less than optimal amounts of
> memory.
>
>
> On 12/30/2016 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
>> but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
>> think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
>> just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
>> memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look
>>> inside the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files
>>> (they should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.
>>>
>>> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via
>>> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but
>>> once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing
>>> to use.)
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

 bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
 glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.

 Oh Oh.

 Dave

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

[P. J. Alling]

LIghtroom is not lightweight.  You really need more ram.   I don't know 
how much ram Adobe claims is the minimum to run Lightroom 6.0 or CC but 
take whatever they say and double it.


Besides being perpetually broke these days that's one of the reasons I 
use a lot of old software.   Once you figure out how to make it work, if 
you can, it just flies on modern hardware, with less than optimal 
amounts of memory.



On 12/30/2016 8:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.

Dave

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look inside the catalog 
folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files (they should be 
obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.

If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via their 
website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but once in 
they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing to use.)

G


On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.

Oh Oh.

Dave


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Re: PESO: Egyptian Geese

[P. J. Alling]

Super Telephoto lenses are a different world.   That's a nice first 
attempt.   You really need a less noisy sensor, and either the 
processing was a bit heavy handed or Flicker is especially lousy at 
displaying images when it zooms in...



On 12/30/2016 10:22 AM, Alan C wrote:
A shot with my "new" toy - a Sigma 170-500 APO which I acquired for a 
mere R1000 ($70). I would have preferred a Pentax 150-450 but couldn't 
find the other R34000. After the first few shots I can see there is a 
bit of a learning curve ahead.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31833625372/

K7. Range about 60m. Heavy crop.

Having endured a couple of dry weeks in the low 40's (C), we finally 
had 75mm in the last 24hrs including a heavy fall of 45mm. Most of 
central & northern Kruger got it so the pools & dams will fill up & 
the grass will grow. Unfortunately, the mosquitos will soon be out in 
force too.


Happy New Year to you all.

Alan C

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PESO: Egyptian Geese

[Alan C]

A shot with my "new" toy - a Sigma 170-500 APO which I acquired for a mere 
R1000 ($70). I would have preferred a Pentax 150-450 but couldn't find the 
other R34000. After the first few shots I can see there is a bit of a 
learning curve ahead.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31833625372/

K7. Range about 60m. Heavy crop.

Having endured a couple of dry weeks in the low 40's (C), we finally had 
75mm in the last 24hrs including a heavy fall of 45mm. Most of central & 
northern Kruger got it so the pools & dams will fill up & the grass will 
grow. Unfortunately, the mosquitos will soon be out in force too.


Happy New Year to you all.

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Re: FS: Who wants it?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 30/12/16, Collin B, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/albums/72157678397863106
>
>$400, shipping included. PayPal OK.

Bill.

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FS: Who wants it?

[Collin B]

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Re: PESO - Trivia Thursday

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On 30/12/16, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> You must not be married then.
>
>I was. I'm divorced now.

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Re: Lightroom upgrades

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Re started the computer after is froze and tried again. Slow to load
but initial test photo seemed to go well. I jhave 4 Gig ram and i
think my iMac will take more ram. Its from 2011 i think i bought it
just prior to Xmas that year and in the About this mac screen under
memory it shows two 2 gig slots used and 2 slots empty.

Dave

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
> Just restart the computer and see if it happens again. You might look inside 
> the catalog folder and see if there are any residual "journal" files (they 
> should be obvious). If there are, delete them before running LR again.
>
> If it does happen again, call Adobe support (or start a support chat via 
> their website) and get them to help. They're a pain to get through to, but 
> once in they provide good support. (The chats are usually the fastest thing 
> to use.)
>
> G
>
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> bought and installed the upgrade to LR 6. Seems to be ok at first
>> glance then tried to exit program and it froze the computer.
>>
>> Oh Oh.
>>
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