Re: PESO: Whale

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks for looking, Ann.

As I said, the land area seen in the background are the foothills of the
Wast Maui Mountains.  They were quite distant from our boat and from the
whale.  They appeared dim and "washed out" to the naked eye much more than
appears from this image.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:04 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Washed out here, too.. but it's just a fluke
>
> ann
>
> On 1/24/2018 1:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Cool!
>>> Flashed by a whale tail!
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> I am curious: the yellowish-green colors of the coast look rather
>>> ghm... bland, probably would be the right word.
>>> Is that the case at this time of the year, or just how it happened?
>>>
>>> One another hand, I just re-calibrated the display, and I wonder
>>> if what I see has something to do with the calibration. The entire photo
>>> seems to be just a bit low in contrast, while I would've expected it
>>> to be much higher.
>>>
>>
>> On my monitor it looks a bit washed out and low contrast.
>>
>> My two monitors don't quite agree with each other, and it looks a bit
>> better on the vertical monitor, which is a bit darker.
>>
>> I'm not sure how they are different when I calibrated them with the same
>> gear and software. One of them is new, so maybe it's just burning in.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[John Coyle]

Larry, Jan and I recently bought an LG 49-inch LCD (UHD) Smart TV, and it is 
excellent for
displaying photos: I use an intermediate box which plays DVD's, reads memory 
cards, and into which I
can plug my K5ii so that the images can be displayed direct to the TV.
If you get that brand in the USA, I can highly recommend it: cost was A$1195, 
so about US$600.  Of
course, taxes etc. may make it more or less expensive in your state.
And, yes, the oversaturated look is deliberate in so many areas these days, 
including travel
advertising, but you can overcome it.  My TV is set for a "Natural" saturation, 
just like the K5ii.


John in Brisbane



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Larry,

Just to address the oversaturated look at the stores:
It's a fad of the past NN years. So, I believe, the demo is designed to run in 
the "high-saturation"
mode, whatever it might be called with the particular brand/model.
There are typical presets that are "sports, movies, entertainment, ..."
You might be able to use a remote and try to switch to a different mode that 
would be more
realistic.

  Tomshardware.com used to be a reasonable source for reviews on such devices. 
I don't know how bad
they became in the recent past:
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-tvs,review-2224.html

I haven't been following the TV technology closely in the past few years, 
although it is quite
possible that we might have to buy a new TV in the near future (as our 10-y.o. 
TV might be dying).
So, please share back to the list if you find some other useful resources.

One thing I have in mind is that all the technologies-du-jour (Roku, Air-Play, 
...) tend to be
becoming mostly obsolete quicker than the TV itself. So, it seems to me that it 
might be a more
flexible solution to buy these "smart" technologies as a separate box, as 
opposed to the one
built-in.

While I was watching the trends, Samsung was the best (LCD panels).
I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).
I think OLED and QLED would be more expensive than LED, but they are also MUCH 
more expensive.
So, LED or LCD would be the best bet on a budget.


Cheers,
Igor


Larry Colen Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:50:59 -0800 wrote:

I have been seriously considering doing something I've never done before, 
buying a TV. I don't watch much TV and all of mine have been hand me 
downs. I almost bought one about 15 years ago, but then my dad passed away 
and I inherited his.


My ideal would be to get a 4K (UHD) in the 30-40 inch range that would 
work well for displaying my photos when it's not being used for movies and 
TV. Since I'm at least within radio hailing distance of the real world, 
cost is a serious consideration. I've seen 4K TVs for around $300, but the 
images on them at the store are always over saturated, and pretty bad 
looking, but that might be due to source material that they try to make 
"pop".


The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford 
something better a ways down the line. What sort of technology should I 
look for and what would I need to pay to get it?

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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. My 65-inch 1080P Panasonic plasma failed after about 13 months, and it 
took the service people a month to figure out what was wrong. On the other hand 
my first flat panel, an 10K 60-inch Pioneer 720p was great for about 6 years. 
But Pioneer was losing money on Plasmas, even with sky high price tags, and 
they got out years ago. The Panasonic plasma has been doing well for about two 
years since the fix.  It’s on the lower level and is used mainly by my son to 
play video games. I have a 75-inch Samsung QLED 4K in my theater room, and it’s 
awesome. Been flawless for about two years.

Paul

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> 
> 
> Indeed, as Paul wrote, plasma screens have a very high quality picture.
> But, they are the most unreliable TV sets. In my work, I've learned
> about those from the people who were very close to (or even worked for) the 
> R department of one of the major TV manufacturers.
> 
> Roughly, a half of the price (if not more) you pay (paid, as they are almost 
> extinct) for a plasma TV set is (was) for the warranty. The percentage of 
> warranty replacements /repairs was very high.
> The curious thing is that it was not a QC-based problem. Rather, it
> is a fundamental problem originating from the physics of the very process 
> used there: plasma environment is aggressive for the materials.
> 
> Igor
> 
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>>> I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).
>> 
>> Why not? The image is brilliant. Yes they are power hungry, but absolutely
>> love mine.
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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[Rick Womer]

Don’t think so, but I’ll poke around.

> On Jan 23, 2018, at 9:17 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> That's _really_ weird.
> 
> Do you have any Javascript blockers or unusual browser extensions
> installed there?
> 
> My portfolio is hosted on Photoshelter and they aim to work properly
> on all browsers and devices including smartphones, desktops, tablets,
> etc.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> No error message; just a blank screen.
>> 
>> The link works fine on my “photo computer” using Firefox at home.
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2018, at 5:12 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What error message do you get?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 Safari, the one I usually use.
 
 On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Bruce Walker  
 wrote:
> That's curious, Rick. What browser are you accessing it with?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> The portfolio link appears to be dead.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> What's being hidden on her right
>>> cheek?
>>> I would be wondering...hmmm(?)
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Walker  
 wrote:
 
 My neighbor Iryna found out last week that she had been chosen as a
 finalist in a contest called Miss Ukrainian Canada and she needed
 headshots to give them. So since we had shot several times before she
 called me. :)
 
 I used my family room as a makeshift studio and along with the
 headshots I took the opportunity to get some other stuff, like this
 one.
 
 https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GgHoq5gQcQhY/IYTSly67P2Pw
 
 645z, 90mm/2.8 at f/5.6, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.
 
 Key light: 5 foot silver parabolic umbrella with diffuser, above-left.
 Fill: white composite board below her, white foamcore reflector right.
 
 http://www.missukrainiancanada.com/
 
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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Igor PDML-StR]

Indeed, as Paul wrote, plasma screens have a very high quality picture.
But, they are the most unreliable TV sets. In my work, I've learned
about those from the people who were very close to (or even worked for) 
the R department of one of the major TV manufacturers.


Roughly, a half of the price (if not more) you pay (paid, as they are 
almost extinct) for a plasma TV set is (was) for the warranty. The 
percentage of warranty replacements /repairs was very high.

The curious thing is that it was not a QC-based problem. Rather, it
is a fundamental problem originating from the physics of the very process 
used there: plasma environment is aggressive for the materials.


Igor


On Jan 24, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:


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I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).


Why not? The image is brilliant. Yes they are power hungry, but absolutely
love mine.


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Re: PESO: Whale

[ann sanfedele]

Washed out here, too.. but it's just a fluke

ann

On 1/24/2018 1:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Cool!
Flashed by a whale tail!
;-)

I am curious: the yellowish-green colors of the coast look rather
ghm... bland, probably would be the right word.
Is that the case at this time of the year, or just how it happened?

One another hand, I just re-calibrated the display, and I wonder
if what I see has something to do with the calibration. The entire photo
seems to be just a bit low in contrast, while I would've expected it
to be much higher.


On my monitor it looks a bit washed out and low contrast.

My two monitors don't quite agree with each other, and it looks a bit 
better on the vertical monitor, which is a bit darker.


I'm not sure how they are different when I calibrated them with the 
same gear and software. One of them is new, so maybe it's just burning 
in.






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Re: Video cameras

[Igor PDML-StR]

I've been shooting some videos using Pentax K-7 first, and then K-5iiS.
The link posted by Cotty is a reasonable description of pro's and con's of 
shooting videos with Pentax cameras.


While professional videographers indeed use MF, people who are not used 
to pull focus (and don't have dedicated focus pullers) may have problems 
with shooting e.g. sport events. AF can miss (by jumping on a wrong 
target), but on average it can do better then a person with no experience.


For shooting video with a Pentax DSLR, I have a couple of hints (based on 
the mistakes I've made):


1. Switch exposure metering to the matrix mode (or center-weighted 
matrix), NOT the center mode. Otherwise, you will have wild (and annoying) 
swinging of exposure when you are panning if there are dark and light 
spots.


2. There is only one parameter you can control (at least with K7 and K5): 
aperture. There is, however, an effective exposure time for each of the

frames.
 While with the MF, you might have a desire to enhance the DoF by 
bringing the aperture down, in low light that might result in a slow 
effective exposure time, which would make the video to appear less sharp, 
especially when there is a fast motion (due to the motion blur).


Aldo keep in mind this two limitations:
a) The length of a single video file is limited.
In the highest resolution mode on K-5iiS, it is about 8 minutes.
So, you have to stop and start again, for a new file to start.
Depending on the speed of your SD card, there could be a delay before
you can start (while it is finishing recording the buffered information.)

Which brings up yet another important point: Use a fast SD card!
(Just "class 10" is not sufficient.)


b) Fast heating of the sensor limits the total time you can shoot 
(without stopping). I believe that it is worse with Pentax because 
they are using in-body stabilization, and as a result (because the sensor 
is hung in the air for easy movement), the thermal sink is considerably 
lower. Often, in a room-T environment, the sensor shuts itself down 
after 20-some minutes of being on in the video mode.



HTH,

Igor



Steve Cottrell Sat, 20 Jan 2018 10:23:33 -0800 wrote:

On 20/1/18, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

Limited useasge but so far the exposure is all over the place during 
filming and if i do a zoom in or out the focus does not follwo like a 
real video camera would i have to do it manually unless i'm not doing it 
right.



Interesting. Here's a page with some details abut shooting video on the K5



From what I have read, it is not possible to use AF during video 
recording on the K5.


This shouldn't in itself be a problem - manual focus is much preferred for 
video. If I shoot video on my Pen F, it is only with manual ficus and 
manual aperture lenses.


If you want to use AF with video, you can obviously buy a camera with AF 
for video, but they are not foolproof.



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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Paul Stenquist]

Plasmas are pretty much extinct. I bought the last of the Panasonic plasmas 
when they discontinued that line, because they do have a superb and very 
natural picture. But they weren’t profitable for the manufacturers. I also have 
a  Samsung QLED, which is also very good, if not quite a match for the 
Panasonic Plasma.

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/18, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).
> 
> Why not? The image is brilliant. Yes they are power hungry, but absolutely 
> love mine.
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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/1/18, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).

Why not? The image is brilliant. Yes they are power hungry, but absolutely love 
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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/1/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford 
>something better a ways down the line.  What sort of technology should I 
>look for and what would I need to pay to get it?

Without a doubt, LED. Don't get LCD as you will be disappointed.

That said, I have a Samsung 43 inch plasma and it's superb. The colours are 
amazing and the blacks excellent. The tonal range is really good and I would 
much rather sit in front of that watching a movie than go to a theatre full of 
noisy people!

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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[Bruce Walker]

I must get you into the studio for some portraits, Ann! :)


On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Yup Iryna beauty  is the one - most definitely my choice for the best of the
> lot.
>
> Not only do I like I best for beling the least contrived look but in the
> other two (both of which I saw before) she looks heavier..
>
> For your amusement, off list, I'll send you an old shot of me from 1955,
> just after I had completed a modeling course..
> after graduation from high school and before I started at Northwestern...
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2018 5:25 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Is that this one that I captioned "Iryna beauty" ?
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/22BGEGw
>>
>> Also, I just posted a lower key headshot of her:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/22E4w1Q
>>
>> Hands are so tricky, Ann. I made an effort to thwart her conditioned
>> tendency to "pose" and to catch a more candid and uncontrived look. I
>> thought that this one headshot ("Iryna 3") managed to best capture
>> that:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:57 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce - there is a photo of her  I think is much better than either the
>>> one
>>> you posted originally ( I was called Veronica Lake when I was a little
>>> blonde child in the 40's, btw)  but I can't fingure out what number it is
>>> in
>>> flicker..
>>> she is facing front, kind holding up her hair with her right hand and
>>> resting her chin on her hand that has
>>> three differently colored fingernails...   it is just gorgeous and so is
>>> she!
>>>
>>> My issue with the other two is the mostly the unnatural looking forced
>>> model
>>> look of her hands..  I did it myself back in the day..
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/23/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 :)

 Here's one of the headshots, so you can check for yourself ...
 https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf


 On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jack Davis 
 wrote:
>
> What's being hidden on her right
> cheek?
> I would be wondering...hmmm(?)
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Walker 
>> wrote:
>>
>> My neighbor Iryna found out last week that she had been chosen as a
>> finalist in a contest called Miss Ukrainian Canada and she needed
>> headshots to give them. So since we had shot several times before she
>> called me. :)
>>
>> I used my family room as a makeshift studio and along with the
>> headshots I took the opportunity to get some other stuff, like this
>> one.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GgHoq5gQcQhY/IYTSly67P2Pw
>>
>> 645z, 90mm/2.8 at f/5.6, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.
>>
>> Key light: 5 foot silver parabolic umbrella with diffuser, above-left.
>> Fill: white composite board below her, white foamcore reflector right.
>>
>> http://www.missukrainiancanada.com/
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
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Re: another movie question

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/1/18, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just did a trim  edit of a long video from Clarks sports ball last
>night. I clipped out 10 sec using the MPEG Streamclip you suggested.
>Worked like a charm

Nice one!

When you export it, save it as Mp4 and you can view it on just about any 
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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[Bruce Walker]

Yes, I too feel that that "tension" in her expression in Iryna beauty
2 diminishes the shot.

Glad you enjoyed the set. Thanks, Igor!


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> When I first looked at the first photo, I realized that it was an attempt of
> (re-)creating a particular style/image.
> But, I must admit, I was ignorant of the "original" that you (and Ann)
> referenced.
>
>
> I too think that
> "Iryna beauty" ( https://flic.kr/p/22BGEGw )
> and "Iryna 3" ( https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf ) seem to be better because of
> the muscle tension in the first photo in this thread (Iryna beauty 2).
> (And despite understanding the style, I also didn't quite like the way the
> hair was covering her eye in the first shot ("Iryna beauty 2"). It is better
> in "Iryna beauty".)
>
> But I enjoyed looking at the entire set. Thanks for sharing, Bruce!
>
>
> Speaking of the retro hair styles, - just recently I was thinking about
> those from 60s and 70s, such as
> https://goo.gl/fivsmM  (I wonder if you could recognize this quartet)
> and
> https://goo.gl/dzLXKe
> For me, that's a memory from the childhood, and they feel quite a bit odd
> today (and I like the music from that era).
>
> I have a hypothesis that some type of "cycle" of the style generations
> (I am not sure how many style generations, maybe 4 or 5, or maybe 40-50
> years). And in that cycle, some of the generations feel odd to the
> "contemporary" eye, while some older ones do not.
> Obviously, there are sharp "rebellion" switches between the generations
> (kids nihilistically reject their parents' style and create the one that the
> parents could not stand) that are probably 15-20 years apart,
> But then, maybe 40-50 years-ago styles can look cool. (And that's probably
> because those were something that the parents had opposed as it was
> their-parents', i.e. the "grand-parents" style.)
> And that's why, flappers look cool today (that's probably 2 full cycles, at
> 90-100 years). Note last (this?) season's fashion trend:
> https://goo.gl/qdHwri
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> Bruce Walker Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:00:30 -0800 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am not really fond of her hair over half her face that way.
>
>
>
> That was a very popular look at one time, you know. Ever hear of
> Veronica Lake? :)
>
> https://goo.gl/JXDrUo
>
> That was who I was making a little nod to.
>
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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[ann sanfedele]

Yup Iryna beauty  is the one - most definitely my choice for the best of 
the lot.


Not only do I like I best for beling the least contrived look but in the 
other two (both of which I saw before) she looks heavier..


For your amusement, off list, I'll send you an old shot of me from 1955, 
just after I had completed a modeling course..

after graduation from high school and before I started at Northwestern...

ann


On 1/24/2018 5:25 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Is that this one that I captioned "Iryna beauty" ?

https://flic.kr/p/22BGEGw

Also, I just posted a lower key headshot of her:

https://flic.kr/p/22E4w1Q

Hands are so tricky, Ann. I made an effort to thwart her conditioned
tendency to "pose" and to catch a more candid and uncontrived look. I
thought that this one headshot ("Iryna 3") managed to best capture
that:

https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf



On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:57 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Bruce - there is a photo of her  I think is much better than either the one
you posted originally ( I was called Veronica Lake when I was a little
blonde child in the 40's, btw)  but I can't fingure out what number it is in
flicker..
she is facing front, kind holding up her hair with her right hand and
resting her chin on her hand that has
three differently colored fingernails...   it is just gorgeous and so is
she!

My issue with the other two is the mostly the unnatural looking forced model
look of her hands..  I did it myself back in the day..

ann


On 1/23/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

:)

Here's one of the headshots, so you can check for yourself ...
https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf


On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

What's being hidden on her right
cheek?
I would be wondering...hmmm(?)

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

My neighbor Iryna found out last week that she had been chosen as a
finalist in a contest called Miss Ukrainian Canada and she needed
headshots to give them. So since we had shot several times before she
called me. :)

I used my family room as a makeshift studio and along with the
headshots I took the opportunity to get some other stuff, like this
one.


https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GgHoq5gQcQhY/IYTSly67P2Pw

645z, 90mm/2.8 at f/5.6, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.

Key light: 5 foot silver parabolic umbrella with diffuser, above-left.
Fill: white composite board below her, white foamcore reflector right.

http://www.missukrainiancanada.com/

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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Paul Stenquist]

The TVs all have a display mode meant to really pop in brightly lit stores. 
That’s why they’re oversaturated. You can dial them in to any level you prefer, 
and video buff sites frequently have recommended settings for different brands. 
A 44 inch TV is very affordable these days. LG OLED models seem to be the best 
right now, but most major brands of 4K TVs are very good. 
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/all-tvs?=sem_(HE)-TV-AON-GGL-Srch-Brand-TV-General-EXT_best-lg-tv=CLm3jcuq8dgCFYGhgQodvvIKlA=ds

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I have been seriously considering doing something I've never done before, 
> buying a TV.  I don't watch much TV and all of mine have been hand me downs. 
> I almost bought one about 15 years ago, but then my dad passed away and I 
> inherited his.
> 
> My ideal would be to get a 4K (UHD) in the 30-40 inch range that would work 
> well for displaying my photos when it's not being used for movies and TV.  
> Since I'm at least within radio hailing distance of the real world, cost is a 
> serious consideration.  I've seen 4K TVs for around $300, but the images on 
> them at the store are always over saturated, and pretty bad looking, but that 
> might be due to source material that they try to make "pop".
> 
> The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford 
> something better a ways down the line.  What sort of technology should I look 
> for and what would I need to pay to get it?
> 
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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>  I've seen 4K TVs for around $300, but the images
> on them at the store are always over saturated, and pretty bad looking, but
> that might be due to source material that they try to make "pop".

In my (limited) experience, that oversaturated popping you see is the
whole intent. UHD adds an HDR equivalent process along with deeper
blacks, so exaggerated contrast is the result.

Ugly source material is also a factor. My setup came with a 4K UHD
Blu-ray of a kids animated flick (latest Ice Age installment) and it
was eyeball searingly awful to view. I will be tossing that disk onto
eBay I think.

BTW, in the fall I got a 4K UHD projector (Optoma UHD60) and Blu-ray
(Samsung UBD-M9500/ZA) and that acts as our "TV" as well as the main
purpose of screening movies. Watching films on a 100" screen is a
joyful experience. :)  The Blu-ray is on the net and streams anything
we'd be interested in, like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube
documentaries, and a host of other stuff.

I spent some time fine-tuning the image through projector and Blu-ray
adjustments and I was able to tone down the saturation and crud so
movies look good.

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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

Just to address the oversaturated look at the stores:
It's a fad of the past NN years. So, I believe, the demo is designed to 
run in the "high-saturation" mode, whatever it might be called with the 
particular brand/model.

There are typical presets that are "sports, movies, entertainment, ..."
You might be able to use a remote and try to switch to a different mode 
that would be more realistic.


 Tomshardware.com used to be a reasonable source for reviews on such 
devices. I don't know how bad they became in the recent past:

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-tvs,review-2224.html

I haven't been following the TV technology closely in the past few years, 
although it is quite possible that we might have to buy a new TV in the 
near future (as our 10-y.o. TV might be dying). So, please share back to 
the list if you find some other useful resources.


One thing I have in mind is that all the technologies-du-jour (Roku, 
Air-Play, ...) tend to be becoming mostly obsolete quicker than the TV 
itself. So, it seems to me that it might be a more flexible solution to 
buy these "smart" technologies as a separate box, as opposed to the one 
built-in.


While I was watching the trends, Samsung was the best (LCD panels).
I wouldn't buy a plasma TV (if they still sell those).
I think OLED and QLED would be more expensive than LED, but they are also 
MUCH more expensive.

So, LED or LCD would be the best bet on a budget.


Cheers,
Igor


Larry Colen Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:50:59 -0800 wrote:

I have been seriously considering doing something I've never done before, 
buying a TV. I don't watch much TV and all of mine have been hand me 
downs. I almost bought one about 15 years ago, but then my dad passed away 
and I inherited his.



My ideal would be to get a 4K (UHD) in the 30-40 inch range that would 
work well for displaying my photos when it's not being used for movies and 
TV. Since I'm at least within radio hailing distance of the real world, 
cost is a serious consideration. I've seen 4K TVs for around $300, but the 
images on them at the store are always over saturated, and pretty bad 
looking, but that might be due to source material that they try to make 
"pop".



The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford 
something better a ways down the line. What sort of technology should I 
look for and what would I need to pay to get it?


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Re: PESO: Whale

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Jack, Igor PJ and Larry.

This one of the better shots from yesterday.  Unfortunately, we saw no
breeches, which are the real thrill and make the most dramatic images.

I worked on the image quickly, to get it out the same day, and will redo it
to try to get better contrast and color.  One problem is that there was
some haze in the air from humidity, and that affects the clarity of distant
objects, such as the West Maui Mountains in the background of this shot.
>From a distance, the mountains do not show a vivid green, at least not on
the Kona (leeward) or western side, which is quite dry.  Actually, it is a
bit greener than usual, as Maui had a wet fall and a rainy December.

Thanks for looking and commenting.



Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Nice flukes peek, Dan!
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 24, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > Earlier today off Maui:
> >
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/1/24/whale
> >
> > K-5 IIs, FA 75-300
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Re: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Alan C]

Come on, man. Buy a 72" HD & be done with it. You could watch the soapies 
from the other side of your plot!


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Colen

Sent: 24 January, 2018 8:49 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss List
Subject: 4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

I have been seriously considering doing something I've never done
before, buying a TV.  I don't watch much TV and all of mine have been
hand me downs. I almost bought one about 15 years ago, but then my dad
passed away and I inherited his.

My ideal would be to get a 4K (UHD) in the 30-40 inch range that would
work well for displaying my photos when it's not being used for movies
and TV.  Since I'm at least within radio hailing distance of the real
world, cost is a serious consideration.  I've seen 4K TVs for around
$300, but the images on them at the store are always over saturated, and
pretty bad looking, but that might be due to source material that they
try to make "pop".

The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford
something better a ways down the line.  What sort of technology should I
look for and what would I need to pay to get it?

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4k tv, monitor, watching movies, displaying photos

[Larry Colen]

I have been seriously considering doing something I've never done 
before, buying a TV.  I don't watch much TV and all of mine have been 
hand me downs. I almost bought one about 15 years ago, but then my dad 
passed away and I inherited his.


My ideal would be to get a 4K (UHD) in the 30-40 inch range that would 
work well for displaying my photos when it's not being used for movies 
and TV.  Since I'm at least within radio hailing distance of the real 
world, cost is a serious consideration.  I've seen 4K TVs for around 
$300, but the images on them at the store are always over saturated, and 
pretty bad looking, but that might be due to source material that they 
try to make "pop".


The other option would be to get something cheap until I could afford 
something better a ways down the line.  What sort of technology should I 
look for and what would I need to pay to get it?


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Re: PESO: Whale

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Cool!
Flashed by a whale tail!
;-)

I am curious: the yellowish-green colors of the coast look rather
ghm... bland, probably would be the right word.
Is that the case at this time of the year, or just how it happened?

One another hand, I just re-calibrated the display, and I wonder
if what I see has something to do with the calibration. The entire photo
seems to be just a bit low in contrast, while I would've expected it
to be much higher.


On my monitor it looks a bit washed out and low contrast.

My two monitors don't quite agree with each other, and it looks a bit 
better on the vertical monitor, which is a bit darker.


I'm not sure how they are different when I calibrated them with the same 
gear and software. One of them is new, so maybe it's just burning in.



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Re: PESO: Whale

[P. J. Alling]

Well it's not really a whole whale.  More like 1/10 of a whale.

As far as it goes it's all right.  Well exposed, nice background,  rule 
of thirds composition, mostly.  But, everyone who goes on a whale watch 
tries to get that picture.   You've seen one you've seen them all at 
this point.



On 1/24/2018 4:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Earlier today off Maui:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/1/24/whale

K-5 IIs, FA 75-300
Comments invited.

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Re: PESO: Whale

[Igor PDML-StR]

Cool!
Flashed by a whale tail!
;-)

I am curious: the yellowish-green colors of the coast look rather
ghm... bland, probably would be the right word.
Is that the case at this time of the year, or just how it happened?

One another hand, I just re-calibrated the display, and I wonder
if what I see has something to do with the calibration. The entire photo
seems to be just a bit low in contrast, while I would've expected it
to be much higher.

Igor




 On Jan 24, 2018, at 1:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:



Earlier today off Maui:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/1/24/whale

K-5 IIs, FA 75-300
Comments invited.

Dan Matyola


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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[Igor PDML-StR]

When I first looked at the first photo, I realized that it was an attempt 
of (re-)creating a particular style/image.
But, I must admit, I was ignorant of the "original" that you 
(and Ann) referenced.



I too think that
"Iryna beauty" ( https://flic.kr/p/22BGEGw )
and "Iryna 3" ( https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf ) seem to be better because of
the muscle tension in the first photo in this thread (Iryna beauty 2).
(And despite understanding the style, I also didn't quite like the way the 
hair was covering her eye in the first shot ("Iryna beauty 2"). It is 
better in "Iryna beauty".)


But I enjoyed looking at the entire set. Thanks for sharing, Bruce!


Speaking of the retro hair styles, - just recently I was thinking about
those from 60s and 70s, such as
https://goo.gl/fivsmM  (I wonder if you could recognize this quartet)
and
https://goo.gl/dzLXKe
For me, that's a memory from the childhood, and they feel quite a bit odd 
today (and I like the music from that era).


I have a hypothesis that some type of "cycle" of the style generations
(I am not sure how many style generations, maybe 4 or 5, or maybe 40-50 
years). And in that cycle, some of the generations feel odd to the 
"contemporary" eye, while some older ones do not.

Obviously, there are sharp "rebellion" switches between the generations
(kids nihilistically reject their parents' style and create the one that 
the parents could not stand) that are probably 15-20 years apart,
But then, maybe 40-50 years-ago styles can look cool. (And that's probably 
because those were something that the parents had opposed as it was 
their-parents', i.e. the "grand-parents" style.)
And that's why, flappers look cool today (that's probably 2 full cycles, 
at 90-100 years). Note last (this?) season's fashion trend: 
https://goo.gl/qdHwri



Cheers,

Igor



Bruce Walker Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:00:30 -0800 wrote:

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
wrote:


I am not really fond of her hair over half her face that way.



That was a very popular look at one time, you know. Ever hear of
Veronica Lake? :)

https://goo.gl/JXDrUo

That was who I was making a little nod to.


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Re: another movie question

[David J Brooks]

Cotty

Just did a trim  edit of a long video from Clarks sports ball last
night. I clipped out 10 sec using the MPEG Streamclip you suggested.
Worked like a charm

Dave

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:28 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 20/1/18, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>* Codec means 'code/decode' and refers to the type of file that is
>>produced by any given recording device. Such files produced may or may
>>not be instantly viewable with being 'decoded' by proprietary or third
>>party software first. There are a lot of reasons why this is the way it is.
>
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Re: PESO: Whale

[Jack Davis]

Nice flukes peek, Dan!

J

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Re: PESO - a Miss Ukrainian Canada 2018 finalist

[Bruce Walker]

Is that this one that I captioned "Iryna beauty" ?

https://flic.kr/p/22BGEGw

Also, I just posted a lower key headshot of her:

https://flic.kr/p/22E4w1Q

Hands are so tricky, Ann. I made an effort to thwart her conditioned
tendency to "pose" and to catch a more candid and uncontrived look. I
thought that this one headshot ("Iryna 3") managed to best capture
that:

https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf



On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:57 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Bruce - there is a photo of her  I think is much better than either the one
> you posted originally ( I was called Veronica Lake when I was a little
> blonde child in the 40's, btw)  but I can't fingure out what number it is in
> flicker..
> she is facing front, kind holding up her hair with her right hand and
> resting her chin on her hand that has
> three differently colored fingernails...   it is just gorgeous and so is
> she!
>
> My issue with the other two is the mostly the unnatural looking forced model
> look of her hands..  I did it myself back in the day..
>
> ann
>
>
> On 1/23/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Here's one of the headshots, so you can check for yourself ...
>> https://flic.kr/p/23Cs9cf
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>>
>>> What's being hidden on her right
>>> cheek?
>>> I would be wondering...hmmm(?)
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Walker 
 wrote:

 My neighbor Iryna found out last week that she had been chosen as a
 finalist in a contest called Miss Ukrainian Canada and she needed
 headshots to give them. So since we had shot several times before she
 called me. :)

 I used my family room as a makeshift studio and along with the
 headshots I took the opportunity to get some other stuff, like this
 one.


 https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GgHoq5gQcQhY/IYTSly67P2Pw

 645z, 90mm/2.8 at f/5.6, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.

 Key light: 5 foot silver parabolic umbrella with diffuser, above-left.
 Fill: white composite board below her, white foamcore reflector right.

 http://www.missukrainiancanada.com/

 Enjoy!

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Re: FS: Nikon Super Coolscan 9000 ED profesisonal medium format scanner

[John]

The CoolScan 4000 ED was firewire and the CoolScan IV ED was USB; the 
CoolScan 5000 ED was firewire and the CoolScan V ED was USB.


I wonder why there was no CoolScan IX ED USB version to go along with 
the CoolScan 9000 ED?


On 1/23/2018 14:31, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Sorry to hear that, John. Such it is.

BTW: All of the Nikon medium format scanners were equipped only with FireWire 
to the best of my knowledge. At the time they were made, USB was considered to 
simply not have the consistent performance required for the data volume they 
move. That's changed over the years since, of course, but all the great Nikon 
scanners are long discontinued now.

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On Jan 23, 2018, at 11:26 AM, John  wrote:

I'd really like to have it, but that's way out of my price range even if it was 
the USB model and not firewire.


On 1/22/2018 21:45, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I have an excellent condition Nikon SuperCoolscan 9000 ED for sale.
It's absolutely the best film scanner I've ever used for everything from 
scanning Minox 8x11 to 6x17cm negatives. Superb for 35mm work: automated scans 
of up to 12 exposures at a time with a suberb, soft light source that minimizes 
 Works beautifully on macOS, Windows, or Linux with VueScan. I think I have the 
NikonScan disks for it too, but am not sure.
It's in the original box and includes all cables, the original carriers, as 
well as an ANR glass carrier too.
Price: I see recent sales on Ebay for this scanner in condition and with 
equipment similar to mine that run between $2500 and $3200. The ANR glass 
negative carriers usuall sell for $400-500. So a reasonable offer in the $2800 
to $3000 range, not including shipping, for the whole kit is my offer for PDML 
folks.
Shipping: It's a large, delicate, and heavy package and needs premium shipping 
by a good carrier with full insurance. I would think around $100 would cover 
most locations in the USA, but I'll do the research if and when someone makes 
an offer for it.
Transparency: I'm also offering it on a couple of other photo forums I 
participate on, and will likely post it to Ebay for sale in a week if there are 
no inquiries from any of the non-commercial offerings.
Godfrey





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PESO: Whale

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Earlier today off Maui:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/1/24/whale

K-5 IIs, FA 75-300
Comments invited.

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